Estonia: how to have a very simple and competitive tax system (although not a tax haven) and yet provide its population with the best tools they can use to innovate: education and entrepreneurship spirit. We have so much to learn in Portugal...
Czech Republic, Poland, Estonia, etc have a bigger GDP then Portugal... The countries that were under the Soviet boot getting richer, old UE countries getting poorer...
@@mirosawirzyk5247 as a Czech I can confirm that we aren't better off. All of our "economic miracle" is just the fact that we are heavily dependant on Germany bcs a lot of ppl work in companies that are basically subsipliers for German compamies like VW and stuff. And since Germany has proven itself to do pretty wise decisions, we profit too. We are basically a German federal land at this point but we have a bit more freedom. Other than that our schooling is pretty llame ass as an attendent I can confirm.
@@mirosawirzyk5247 gdp is not important and estonia doesn´t have a bigger gdp than Portuga. Gdp per capita is important, It´s the gdp divided by the population and here Portugal has a bigger gdp per capita. It´s a stupid comparison
@@Serif_0s do you know that Poland is the BIGGEST producer of hybrid engine... That's thanks to TOYOTA... Germany loves to treat Slavic people as SLAVES... Creating manufacturing facility but not KNOW HOW, development centers... German are not as stupid as we think thay started to understand that manufacturing goods in Asian countries is a bad idea, because most of them are getting copied... Ps Neighbour I live on the Polish Czech boarder... 12km from Ostrava... 😉
such a sweet counry with serious but intelligent and clever people , estonians are kinda introvert but once you get to know then they are very cool and smart people
As a Brazilian, respect those Estonian lads. I can't imagine how could they manage to overcome the dark Soviet era to become a modern nation. This helps me a bit now.
Estonia is educationally immense. I used to live there for a study exchange at the University of Tartu. Their approach is amazing, they focus on skills; creating a set of skills for everyone. It allows us theoretical skills, but also practical skills. They really really push multiple approaches at once. Across 6 modules, they were all so different. I was allowed as a UK political student to study Project Management, International Law, Space Systems, EU Foreign Policy, Russian Economy at once
The best thing is that even the teachers are held accountable for students failure in Estonia. I hope indian education to become half as good as theirs.
@@RS-ls7mm what if your teacher doesn't even come to the class? Where I live, 25% of the teachers never attend class (our census) and 60% of the children never show up (because they have to work on the fields, there's no other option). It's easy to blame someone for all your problems
@@philoslother4602 The US went through that phase a long time ago. People realized that the future was in education and sacrificed to make sure their kids did better. Education was an absolute priority in the successful areas. Not true in the US these days however, taking the easy path because people are so spoiled is the new norm. The expected collapse is in 18 years (MIT).
Lol.... i am Estonian teacher i never been accountable for students failure. Everybody has their own work to do and responcibility for their own actions.
As someone who has been through Estonian school system, it was worth it. The amount of homework made us want to kill ourselves and school was kind of toxic. But it got better each year. They actually taught us the language (in a Russian school) if it weren't for them making 90% of subjects in Estonian I'd barely speak it. The research papers we did are literally more professional than what I am asked in uni in UK. Problems were addressed quickly and rather efficiently. And equipment such as smart boards and practical stuff(physics, chemistry, pe) was insane after we got the Euro monies. School companies were fun and surprisingly like the real ones, IE actually working for profit and sustaining themselves with their own income. The only thing that I wish they would improve on is making schools less toxic and that mostly applies to the older generation of teachers.
Your right. Theres just too much homework. I always hated school because of the amount of Hard and i mean very Hard work they gave us EVERY GODDAMN DAY. It has gotten better tho. And schools are no longer toxic. We now have KiVa program. Basicially some lessons are deticated to anti-bullying and other stuff like that to make school less toxic.
Well, that’s what you get in a school system that is purely focused on performance and competition. Can you tell if critical political thinking is promoted in the school as well?
@@lilcurtiz5333 it has been a long time since i was in school but for me the only political exposure i ever got was at home from the television. It may have become a thing since then but my bias wold lead me to believe people are told to take their politics elsewhere or keep them at home. at least that is what they should be told. it is not a place for that. Personally we were only talking of the subject at hand.... and homework. .ughhh. I was so happy when i knew i would never again have homework. Homework you may first need to study first how to do if you did not pay attention in class. The teachers were always on a tight schedule for what they needed to get through. If they fell behind, you got to do it by yourself at home and checked in the beginning of the next class. Nobody had time for someones politics.
@@erkim7547 what a shame… in my opinion, school should be THE place for encouraging critical political thinking, and not encouraging children to adhere to the competitiveness of society and capitalism.
To be fair, my experience was such that the competitiveness is all administrative. Thinking back i guess it was there but while studying, there was none that i came across. As for politics, i personally strongly disagree. Politics are not known for bothering to learn the right way towards something. Actually the very opposite. I don’t want to get too much into the reasoning as this is a bottomless pit. Politics are connected to popularity, current trend, outside influence, rhetoric popularity and so many things with no actual connection to education. How often does it become a core of politics to fight against people you have painted as your enemies to fight against? School is not some place where you teach a person to establish themself as some part of an existing political bubble but you teach them to be intelligent enough to make that decision for themselves without your teacher or classmates coercing you to be a part of their herd. What we were taught, to some extent, was discussion and reasoning. It is a surprisingly deep subject but in essence it teaches you to recognize when people manipulate with reasons and outcomes amongst many other things.
I am from Estonia and I learned something new today from this video! I graduated uni in 2008, so my experience is mostly different. Although, I studied in an IT College which was founded in a collaboration between a Union of IT Companies and two biggest Universities. More than half of us had jobs by the end of second year and those who didn't had a choice of different internships. The college didn't focus on maths and physics and was able to adjust its curriculum quickly. Actually match and physics were made more easy to pass each year to lower drop out rate. We had studies in Java and C# back in 2005, when others were writing algorithms on paper or coding in Pascal from 1980s. Perhaps this is the collaboration of state and business at best. PS I left Estonia 4 years ago because weather is shit :)
Pole see ilm midagi nii halb. Alati kuuma ka ei taha ega liiga külma ja lund tahaks kah ja seda on. Ilm läheb aastatega siin järjest paremaks, kuumad suved ja külmad, lumised talved. Mina ei plaani Eestist kunagi ära kolida, välja arvatud juhul, kui venkud teistpoolt piiri ei tule kallale.
Amazing what you can do when you are not overrun by third world failures. The US used to be same way but then the leftists opened the borders (for votes) and its been downhill ever since.
Actually, immigrants contribute heavily to America's power as they help demographics continue to be stable in the US and help ease labor shortages. Also, much of innovations come from immigrants and that they, even the undocumented, pay taxes thus not be a burden.
@@vampy8723 The illegals are also directly responsible for bringing back about 10 (CDC) serious diseases that had been wiped out in the US. Legal immigration was based on making sure the people entering the country were going to benefit the country. Every other successful country on Earth has this strict policy.
@@RS-ls7mm immigration systems are rather new, like post WW1. Most european americans and black american arrived in different ways, didn't they? They left the ship and arrived in a new life, not reallly a club of selected people. Same story in most of the colonial states.
One more thing. This is getting discussed in Estonian subreddit and I need to mention this. A teacher's pay here is 1300€ after taxes, that's for a full-time position. That's way too low to attract future teachers, considering that a teacher is supposed to be a highly educated specialist. They have that covered in Finland. If a teacher wants more, they have the opportunity to work extra, that's how it works. International schools, from what I understand have higher pay. And before we go any further with our success story: rescue workers have to work two jobs to make ends meet.
I live in the Netherlands. I’ve met people from all over the world, here in the Netherlands and abroad, but never an Estonian. Now I know why; their country is so awesome they never leave😂
Also there are only 1.3 million or so of them. You're unlikely to meet them as a matter of statistics. This is also part of the reason for their success. Less people in a small(ish) country is usually easier to manage.
We have elite schools here in Australia too (we call them "selective schools") but even then, our education system is far inferior to Estonia's. I think the most important thing to incorporate from the Estonian education system is the free cafeteria - especially if it were to serve healthy foods - because obesity and tooth decay is a severe problem here.
Yeah, every teacher I have spoken too is Naplan is a disaster. Schools focus all their energy on getting the best results on the tools that give their school a higher ranking and not on giving the kids a proper education
I live in Estonia and my parents do have to pay for the cafeteria food, but it's not expensive. So it just means that your parents have to pay it, not seperately for everyday but like in the end of the month
Here in Estonia we also have selective schools as like the high school/gymnasium I went to, but it is still not an elite school. This kind of motivates people to study harder to reach those goals of studying in school they want to go to.
One thing I never understand is why every nation doesn't look to those who are the best in their fields and copy them, once done you can improve on them and become the new leader so on and so forth.
Because there are too many vested interests with too much stake in keeping things the way they are. The college industry on one side, unions on the other.
Much easier to get voted in when the base level is easy to manipulate. Lower education and pay guarantees that. And that's just a piece of the problem.
Mentalities and principles, views of life differ. Such a system like in EE fits pretty much only in EE. Other countries will have to find their own way for various reasons.
Cos they do? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Simply copying stuff wholesale into completely different contexts is hardly a magic bullet. A system that works in one place and context won't necessarily work elsewhere. This is especially true of education - even the Finnish themselves said that when they went around expounding on their educational miracle model. I guarantee you that if you simply took all the Estonian education laws and plonked them down in, say, India, it would be an unmitigated disaster. Fixing complex issues like this is NOT easy.
One thing what I think you forgot to mention or didn't know is that the Estonian state is also heavily investing in how the school environment looks. A good environment can effect a students efficiency a lot, and make them more focused, and wake. Meanwhile stuff like copy/paste architecture can create fatigue and decrease efficiency in learning. That's why Estonian schools always are so fancy, and why they are always getting renovated.
I am Lithuanian, and sadly, as neighbours, we can’t compare to the Estonian results. Not only that, we are not even trying to “copy&paste” their system…
Really? That's weird because I feel that in Poland the education system is very similar. It's just that wages and curriculum is decided by ministry and not schools themselves. Estonians got a good idea with that though. Bigger competition = better results.
@@ThePaciorr trust me education system in Poland is not that bad, compare it to UK's one where only students from privileged classes have a chance for significant career... What is good in UK's system is flexible approach from uni level tutors and much wider spectrum of qualifications to choose from. Yet what is the point of typical education system these days - especially uni level? You can get MIT degree without moving from Poland (and it is not that expensive!)
@@therzook I knew a girl who moved to Poland from the UK at the age of 13 years old. She was super behind everyone else in practically every class and especially in math. She couldn't do much math without calculator when in Poland it's illegal to use calculator for the most part. On the other hand universities in the UK are super good compared to polish ones at least according to international rankings.
I don't. The globalists only support eugenicist scandinavians while discrediting eveybody else specially southern countries. This channel is paid and supported by them.
Wow! This is another a very good content from VisualPolitik. For the past 4-5 years, I watched more than 90% of whatever produced by this RUclips channel... more than 50% of the content that I watched is mediocre, in the sense of they just re-telling something that I already know. But this Estonia Education system content is far one of the best that totally expand my way of thinking on my country's education system. Kudos! and Thank you!
Estonia: Continuing education for teachers at all costs, competition encouraged. Schools are free to decide on funding. Teachers are paid according to performance. Germany: Students show their professor how to start their PC and how to log on to the university intranet. Teachers had their last in-service training a decade ago. Grants have to be applied for in a complicated way and then, for example, a new cafeteria is built even though the old one still works well because "Hey, that's the only reason we got grants!". Teachers with civil servant status have been in the highest salary grade for 15 years and are almost unemployable anyway and no longer make any effort. The video should be shown at the Ministry of Education in Berlin.
A friend of mine was a transfer student in Germany a few years ago and told me that there is virtually no technology (no computers, phones not allowed) and that there aren't any chalkboards. Is this true or was that an isolated occurrence?
this is true. I was amazed at how much paper mail I got in Germany even in just 6 months. More than I have ever received in Estonia because we do a lot of communication online. And that was 10 years ago. Also I haven't met a German who loved going to school as a teenager. Anyone I asked said they hated it. Whereas I absolutely loved going to school in Estonia.
They must have a good social system as well -- I don't care how great the teachers and facilities are, if children are coming to school tired, underfed, and otherwise in a poorly state because of their home lives, they aren't going to learn well.
Agreed. If kids come to school stressed or the parents are not respectful towards the education process, the children have to be extremely self-motivated to succeed.
Estonian here. We have many and i mean VERY MANY programs to help with it. Schools used to be very toxic and bad here but the programs have changed it completely. Estonian schools are very nice. We had computers and tablets and phones for studying even in like 2012. We no longer need textbooks or any of that old stuff the world uses. Everything is digital and its great. I personally went to school in a small town and still we had SOOOOO much digital stuff and computers.
I've never been in Estonia , but I had the chance to talk to 6 Estonians university girls working as dancers during school holidays in Finland....They were talking to me in 4 languages .......PERIOD. No more father questions. Estonia is reaping the reward of 2 decades of investiment.A lesson x the pretty Lands on the Mediterranean sea.
For the USA it is getting away from just maximizing how much goes into the educators and governments pockets and actually holding the educators and government accountable for achieving relevant results. Our education needs to be revamped to teaching relevant skills to a dynamically changed economy. Many skills taught even at college level are easily and more economically moved overseas via the internet; Therefore, far fewer college degrees can get well paying jobs.
US has all of the competition, but none of the nurture. There is a reason why we have so many open positions, but none of the qualifications. We're just really cutthroat when it comes to individual responsibility. And to be honest, Estonia's system would never work for several reasons, 1. teacher's union, 2. separate state laws regarding education, 3. company incentive to cooperate with schools, 4. federal and state laws regulating individual freedoms, 5. routine federal standardized testing to evaluate progress (ie. we only have 1 standardized test which is the SAT), 6. lack of leadership (ie. there is a new education director for every president), 7. nonprofitable (US government is a for-profit company that regularly have risk assessments evaluations and the likelihood of a student remaining in the US after schooling is not guaranteed), 8. Expenditure (we are a superpower and spend more on social security and military without a lacking population to support it in taxes- just look at the collapsing infrastructure around every city), 9. We're a hubbub of different races and we lack all the essential of belonging in a community. In fact, you could say the educational system in the US is more about establishing social hierarchy than actual learning.
Hello Visualpolitik, your videos are always very interesting, it would be pleasing to watch something about the causes of the current economic situation in Greece and the past crisis. Many thanks.
The quality of the education has also something to do with population per classroom. In my country, having a classroom with 40+ students is an abnormal amount to handle by one teacher. Those slow learners who lags behind will less likely to get a special attention from the teachers most of the time in fact teachers attention is more focused on high achiever students which kind of ironic.
We have free education and lots of other perks for students here in Slovenia as well. But I feel that what we learn is much too disconnected from actual work. After getting a degree in computer science I basically had no marketable skills, other than some SQL and Java, the rest was just theory.
I would be interested to learn about education throughout life and how people are prepared to take on responsibility for learning throughout life. A truly modern educational system has no specific end point but carries on throughout life. It starts with people being able to recognise their own learning needs and then having systems in place to meet those needs.
The teachers have large autonomy in ways of teaching, but there's still some evaluation system which should be standardized, I guess. If the teacher evaluates himself/herself, then unique way of teaching makes evaluation itself far more subjective. I'm not sure if there's a problem at all in this, but something to think on.
There is a system. Teachers have a framework which they need to follow, it states what the students need to know at the end, not how or what methods to teach. How this knowledge is teached is left for the teachers. There are national tests (mandatory and same for all) which test the skills of students and the results are compared. If a class average is low then it is clear that the method of teaching is wrong, if the class is doing OK in other subjects.
As an Estonian, I get a feeling that the supposed entrepreneurship has more to do with eResidency than anything to do with Estonians. Might be changing times, but a lack on entrepreneurship has been a running self-criticism of Estonians.
I'd have to check the laws on e-residency there but if it were like other nations, I'd imagine many of those companies that were created are shell companies or administrative companies (i.e. Employee Benefits Trust, Holding companies).
@@tomasfontes3616 besides some notable unicorns, entrepreneurship is not all that high from my perspective but I could of course be wrong. I quickly glanced that over 6 years, eResidents have made over 16.5k companies. Which is not a very high number, but it still statistically relevant for a country as small as Estonia.
I must say, very impressive indeed for Estonia🇪🇪! 👏👏😮 If only our education system was that extraordinary! 🇬🇧 I have Aspergers and I absolutely hated high school in the 2000s! 😖😞 To me it was prison and my autism🧠 was far more of a hindrance then than it is now! Also being an English speaking native is both a blessing and a curse to us ☹️. Our language skills are abysmal wether or not we live on an isolated island.
estonians like me are gods at english because we get access to the internet very early in our lives. I started playing counter strike when i was 6 and the people of the community have teached me much
Feeling sad for those russian minorities in Estonia still holding on to the past while integrating would be much better off. Thumbs up for Estonia from Lithuania! 👍🏻✌🏻
russians who live in Estonia were imported in here by Stalin in 50s, Stalin tried to make estonians go extinct and russify the country by deporting thousands of estonians( especiallythe smart ones) into Siberia to die and later imported bunch of russians into Estonia , in recent years I actually saw how estonians and russians started o get along, most young and even oder russians speak estonian and we didnt hace and conflicts with them but this war in Ukraine has changed everything....I am very sad because of that
why sad? went to school in Estonia. Best time of my life. We had wonderful school, teachers and education. All of my classmates went to universities, finished them and are in a good place in their lives. And that was 10+ years ago.
@@Vivi-vg9lx due to recent events with russia I had to rewatch the video in different context. Sounds true but subjectively school years are among best years in everybody’s lifes :)
@@majauskasmr I don't agree. Most of my German friends can't say they had great experience in school, which was a surprise for me because I did think everyone considers their school years to be a fun time in their life.
Absolute best system that I can think of. Seems they were able to at least limit the amount of nepotism and cronyism that plagues much of the world. Even more amazing when their background is considered.
So inspirative! Key for strong, effective community is knowledge, skills and wisdom, other important things will arise as secondary effect, like political/medial/social awareness of common people. I always see our politics only talk about changes or rise salary to teachers to shut their mouths. Bureaucracy and old conservative colleagues make almost all new young inspired teachers feel as cog in machine that suffers from rust with no influence. When commercial sphere offers more money to "skillfull" affect combined make situation gross and domain knowledge at least "out of the world". I remember that autoritative aproach of almoast all teachers (some exceptions was there, I wonder if they persist with same attitude). Throw money at "bad" teachers dont make them better. Although situation is little better now than I remember. Thanks to you and Estonia for opening eyes to show solution for social policy, which suffers all history from autoritative,messiah tendencies and rewarding loayality and obedience. Democracy will crush if majority of people will be easily manipulated or be too greedy, lobbying parties that make their life safer at cost of comfort of others. Sadly for most people it is escape from comfort zone. Lastly some perservering aphorism of czech society "If you do not rob, you rob your family". Still I need to say, we have many amazing, brave and brilliand people which keeps us keep going and giving us hope, that we are not alone. I hope someday all children will love to search for truth, as they always did, before bad education system make them hate it and memorize answers to tests and forget.
Beautiful video! Thank you. We are visiting Europe after helping a new school open in Lviv. Slava Ukraine! We're in Krakow, also amazing. We will stay in Tallinn for February, hopefully longer after my Digital Nomad Visa application interview on Feb 1st...Tartu looks amazing too!!!
Awesome vid. Can you guys make a future vid about what specifically Estonia is doing to tackle the underperformance of Russian students? It seems like they're not doing so bad compared to other countries if they're is at the top of the PISA rankings, otherwise the high percentage of Russians would bring the score down. It would be cool to see any kind of video about how various countries succeed and fail at integrating other groups or ethnicities.
as someone who is/was a Russian minority and finished school 10+ years ago in Estonia, never had an impression that Russian minority had worse performance when it comes to education. The remark about Russians and their poor performance really surprised me in the end of the video. In fact, I loved the school I went to, we had amazing and caring teachers and it was actually fun going to school.
I would like to start up with an Online Course Brand of 110cc, 120cc and 130cc based on the Estonian Model so kindly suggest a suitable plan for me to kick start my project
If we have best education in the world i feel sorry for other countires. Reality is that work demands for teachers are too high and workload huge and we dont have anymore enough well educated young teachers to replace those who retire. And salary is joke compared with private sector. We have lot of fun things like 56 paid vacation days and lot of independency to choose methods, but also so many problems. I love my job as Estonian teacher and i have best students in world, but if this is best ... the world has no hope ... lol
Notice that the US was #2 in per capita spending but the US has the #43 rated students. I think most of the money goes to the bureaucracy instead of the students and teachers. There is giant building downtown that I have no idea what it does (no students or teachers) but it spends a lot of education money.
Probably because the weakness of America's public welfare means that school districts end up taking on the roles that a larger dedicated statewide program should provide. It sounds like Estonia as a whole provides the fundamentals such as student meals, healthcare, and teacher training, whereas in the US the individual states, districts, and campuses have to budget all that in.
They are always bitching for more money in the inner city, but it doesn't accomplish anything. More tax dollars go there than to wheaton's. Wheaton's depends on volunteers to stock up their food pantries
@@doujinflip Quite the opposite. The US has massive social spending (#2 in the world), there is no reason to work so people don't. And they seem to teach their kids not to try.
@@a.f.7246 The best school where I lived was in the most run down school. The parents were fully involved. The state however decided to punish the school by diverting funds to the worst performing schools. Reward failure, punish success is the democrat way.
@@RS-ls7mm my elementary class had 40 students, yet no one complained. All u hear is the inner s hooks need more money & smaller classes. Always complaining
Intriguing, a education model we should properly apply here in Denmark as well, perhaps our application of it could allow some further innovation, that could then could be applied in Estonia as well.
As Estonian, myself, I would like to notice several things more: - Really good language studying, most of current local student can speak fluent at least two-three language easily. - The government spending a lot of money to build new and advanced schools in countryside of the country. (Some schools in countryside looking much more comfort and advanced compared to schools in capital) - All of the student regardless in school or university have free access to public transport almost everywhere, if not they have a really huge discount - Parents don't need to worry about spending money on they child, because of free transport, lunches, books and iven laptop in school. - The educational system really moving with technological advances, for example if 10 years ago you would get only basic of usage skills at programs such as Exel, current they getting skills of building own sites or cybersecurity. If someone have more questions, you can comment me bellow!
@@techsite902 There are free and paid. Depends where you learn, what you learn, what language are you using for learning. You might get free if you have good grades.
@@techsite902 not only that. If you study in field that is classified as "necessary/important field" you get even paid to study it. All IT fields for example pay you. Not much, but you can go to McDonald's maybe 10-15 times every month for that. And if your grades are good, you may get additional 15+ Mac lunches every month.
We cannot measure education by data only. High education pressure on students and teachers will actually wither great tellents in long run. For those students who cannot catch up in competition can become social problems in future. The economic success of Estonia surely contributed by many other factors besides education.
"Give one test and grade teachers on it" isn't the Estonian model. "Money follows the student" is the model, and the AFT & NEA fight tooth and nail against it.
I have been selected for master program in Estonia and Latvia also but i finalize Latvia because a friend of mine is also studying there. I think i made a mistake.
TD Zues Don't worry Latvian UNI are similar to Estonia, our primary, secondary school is weaker. It depends on what UNI you chose. If it is top 5, then it is good. LU, RTU, RSU, are the best.
Impressive! And very INSPIRATIONALE! THANK YOU! I 😊I WILL CREATE the MOST EFICIENT and SUCCESSFUL Educational System and this was very useful for my research!
It depends on where you are. I grew up in Chicago and by far my public education was superior to some of my friends other parts of the country. The biggest problem in American public education is the adults.
@@ricardoretardo58 lol yeah bit the option is a group if fascists so, what options do we really have? Also, a two party system is all the US culturally can handle.
@@luisoviedo-perez2896 More like that's what our politics naturally converges on in a winner-take-all system where the collection of losers becomes the only other side. Unfortunately this administratively simple concept also encourages pushing the extremes as a way to differentiate one from the other, since the real political spread is more a continuous spectrum.
@@doujinflip multiple part systems exit. I think more the foundation of America and its national identity does not allow for a complex political system. Two parties is all the US population can handle or understand.
it seems the system is all about performance, competition and get ahead. i’m wondering if the students and teachers are actually enjoying the studies and are they allowed to fail?
may be it's the competition between schools to be better but as a pupil in Estonian school I never felt any pressure or competition. In my school we had very caring teachers who really wanted us to succeed and helped those who needed help or extra explanation even if it was outside of their working hours.
@@timjackman5780 You can be as active as you choose in "elite schools" as well, I'd say most students are given more freedom there than elsewhere. There's an assumption of personal responsibility and it works in those schools.
I'd be in favor of a more decentralized system, but in larger countries, especially where the traditional school system has been centralized (usually lead by the Ministries of Education) the risk is to create asymmetries among regions, increasing the social end economic divide. (as for the Estonian case with Russian minorities.
I doubt it's this simple. No doubt some of the things mentioned are important to Estonia's success but I could already think of ways to game the system as described or ways it could very easily lead to unequal outcomes for different neighborhoods (I'd imagine the Russian neighborhoods would be disadvantaged). I'm guessing there's a lot of regulation behind the scenes as well as cultural and demographic/geographic factors that may not be present in other countries.
You aren't tied to a single school based on your living place though. you can just go to a better school so your local school has to improve to get funding.
@@kupi1754 Schools with bad scores get less funding or get shut down, so why would a collection of good schools branch out anywhere near an underprivileged neighborhood? Before you know it there would be no schools left in such neighboorhoods. There has to be more to it: regulations they didn't address in the video, or Estonia being "creative" with the scores in underprivileged neighboorhoods, or maybe just that most kids in Estonia live in or near Tallinn, which isn't a huge city, so they might just be a pretty unique country in that most kids are within travel-distance of schools in good neighboorhoods.
@@gulliverdeboer5836 That's the thing, there really aren't any bad neighborhoods. If you're poor you get very much the same options for education. Neither are there any immense distances that could make commuting difficult.
@@avamander. Oh come on. I'm Dutch and even we have bad neighborhoods, not like the US or the third world but opportunities really are different for people growing up there. Estonia is not as rich as the Netherlands and you guys have a Russian speaking minority that probably wouldn't agree everyone has the same opportunities from birth.
i agree. i was also arguing with american guy. he was protecting american system of education, where university tuition is very high, so very few people can afford it, and also buy taking huge loans. those who cant - go to military. whereas in Estonia universities are totally free for everybody thus creating opportunities for talented kids and creating motivated professionals. he claimed that this because we pay taxes. so do americans, but their money mostly goes to military... same applies to health insurance. In Estonia its free for everyone who works and pays taxes. Its sad USA can not fix these two major things....
@@denisss9350 What you describe falls under the term "social mobility". Estonian leadership seems to understand that in order to compete, you have to figure out how to get everyone the best they can handle. You can't waste people, whatever skill it is, if you don't have a lot of people.
Here in the US back in High School, I would be put in an internship helping me to get around my learning disability but the programs have been defunded for years, same with all programs to help people find work. America's government is too greedy to create anything like Estonia we would be lucky to get golden snowballs. ❄🥶
Too bad salaries are still very low compared to Nordic countries. Many Estonians will go to Finland to work to earn a higher salary. When I was there in 2017 it feels like a worse version of Finland somehow, everything is very cheap and being from Finland I felt rich there. I also know of many Swedish people who will buy property in Estonia due their low prices and live there during the weekend then commute back to Stockholm.
Exactly. The education system in Estonia needs more funding. Lidl just arrived in Estonia and the salary there is equal to a teacher (or maybe like 100 euro less, but still).
The Estonian economy is currently in a chaos, cleaners are earning more than CEO's and no one can say what the medium pay is in the country, it still hangs there around 1500-1800€ according to Wikipedia, but in reality is much more. Some people like truck drives earn a minimum pay of 3000€ while most teachers are stuck on like 1500€ because the state is too incompetent to raise wages. This has led to a lot of new private schools popping up supported by rich millionaires and billionaires. In reality teachers get some benifits extra like cheaper and better housing, some tax cut offs, but in my opinion it's still not enough. And really it ads more fuel to the fire in time when there is allready a lack of teachers because the low pay.
And about the Swedish thing, that's quite common actually. I live in Sweden and I know a lot of rich people, who not only own property in Estonia, but also have moved there. The taxes are very high in Sweden compared to Estonia, and generally Estonia is much prettier than Sweden in nature and in architecture. Add to that the more attractions like cinemas, or stadiums or race tracks per person than in Sweden, and boom, nearly a millionaire's paradise. Making many move to Estonia, and operate their business from there, traveling maybe once or twice a month to Sweden. I know this coupel with two kids who moved to Estonia, because they wanted better education and healtcare for their children (basically a better and safer environment for their children to grow upp in). And additionally to that the father in the family likes racing, but while living in Stockholm it was hard and expensive for him to do that because the closet race track was 400km away, but in Estonia there are quite a few, and as I understood it from him, cheaper and better in quality. So the point is that the Swedish over socialism has started to make life worse for the common Swede and many are deciding on to move to other places. Because even if you have a lot of money, if you don't enjoy your life, then what's the point of it.
@@tankart3645 Why no one can say what the medium pay is, does state don't know, don't tell, lie? Can you explain why cleaners own more than CEO. Cleaner of big company compared to CEO or startup, small company? 3k E as truck driver sounds fear, especially because they spend many hours, days away from their families, all day sitting, hard work. Compare to teacher, it is fun to work, teach children, creative work. Could it be real reson there are less young teachers, because they need to learn much before they can teach, not as many people that can do that kind of work? I don't believe it is as simple as smaller salary.
@@juriscervenaks8953 The thing is more complex than you understand. And you obviously don't know enough. Do you even know how much it takes to become a middle school teacher in Estonia, I mean people spend a lot of years in school for that, as the level is quite high in Estonia, and the students are savage. And truck driving isn't really that hard of a job, I know some who work in that field and they always talk about how easy money that is. The state knows about what the medium pay is, but they don't want to say it directly and keep it at the same level as it was in 2019, because otherwise they would have to start paying out much higher wages to state workers and to people who need support. And there are about 150 000 state workers in Estonia, teachers, firefighters, doctors, police, politicians and people like buss drivers. And if they are currently getting about 1500 because the medium pay was like 1400 in 2019, then think what the state has to pay out to them if the medium wage in the country would be 2000€.
The biggest obstacle for improving indian education system is its huge population and lack of funds Every year india adds 1 more Australia to its already huge population
there's no lack of funds. it's just that government is busy spending it on crushing opposition, minorities and building up the military. intentional underfunding and mismanagement of public services create an excuse for privatization as a magic solution in the name of 'efficiency', when in reality it's just for lining the pockets of their crony friends, resulting an ever increasing divide between the elite and everyone else. and the worst part is that any criticism, however valid, is shut down by labelling it as chinese or pakistani propaganda.
What if public were serious about education. All the funds and teachers and all the great industries if the will merge to make excellent education system. IT depend on the will of nation and agility to be selfless.
@@the80386 What about the public, how public can tolerate. We never raised this questions? We never demanded anything. What about parents? Do they ever tell you to die for country. But they tell you to get a job and get married and settled. It is public to be blamed not government. IF people were highly moral, they would have long time ago emphasized on education. What we need is authoritarian government which is at the roots of nation and committed for revival of education. We don't think for ourselves.
The Swedes hate it, it makes them look bad. And belive me, I live in Sweden. The schools system here sucks, and nearly any young person can agree on it. The level of education is so low for so long, and then gets like super difficult for a period in High school and in the 9th grade, giving kids depression. And over description of heavy drugs to students is very common, like anti-depressants and adhd pills
Interesting video and a great description of Estonia's educational system but that is not all. Their system would probably not work elsewhere because cultures, political will etc differ. Countries need to take a good look at their educational systems and what works for them rather than copy Estonia or Finland etc....
Actually free healthcare is all the time when you study. I'm 22, still studying and am recieving free healthcare. 19 is the age up to where you get free dental care and vision too I think?
Hmm the issue here is that it is much harder to use this model in a larger country because it isn't so easy to travel hours to go to a different school so many people simply cannot exercise their ability to choose in this way. There are some elements I like here though, the flexibility for local needs is good, and on going training and the equality of opportunity.
Here in Trinidad and Tobago our education system is very similar the but the nuances of the systems does not allow us to have the same effect as Estonia...:/
All of the Nordic Countries have similar social programs. Here in Norway there is less competition between schools than described in Estonia. Which is just another way to say that Norway is insanely rich so its inhabitants don’t have to worry or try too hard, while Estonians are less so and must work harder for their welfare
9:35 but this also causes higher burnout rates and greater dissatisfaction amongst teachers. There is also a shortage of teachers, as you can get a better paying job with less education.
This might be a silly question, but recently I keep hearing that X country has X amount of startups and how great that is, e.g. Estonia's business startup rate is high. However, how many of those startups survive? Is it really a good thing to have so many startups if only a small number succeeds? I read that 90% of startups fail.
Ofcouse not all of them will survive, but estonia has handful billion dollar startups and also alot of thouse what archive few hundread million turnover. and alot of thouse who have few million to 50 million value. Estonian are not afraid to fail. They fail they try again with new idea.
Skype, transferwise, bolt, skillshare, kazaa, hotmail, cleveron (postal boxes in all walmarts), starship technologies ( white autonomous bots that move around us cities, carrying stuff around ), milrem robotics ( first automated tanks ) and many more. It is speculated that bitcoin is also estonian. You may try and fail, but you cant succeed if you wont even try...
Estonia: how to have a very simple and competitive tax system (although not a tax haven) and yet provide its population with the best tools they can use to innovate: education and entrepreneurship spirit. We have so much to learn in Portugal...
Czech Republic, Poland, Estonia, etc have a bigger GDP then Portugal...
The countries that were under the Soviet boot getting richer, old UE countries getting poorer...
Grant actually brushed his teeth today 🤣
@@mirosawirzyk5247 as a Czech I can confirm that we aren't better off. All of our "economic miracle" is just the fact that we are heavily dependant on Germany bcs a lot of ppl work in companies that are basically subsipliers for German compamies like VW and stuff. And since Germany has proven itself to do pretty wise decisions, we profit too. We are basically a German federal land at this point but we have a bit more freedom. Other than that our schooling is pretty llame ass as an attendent I can confirm.
@@mirosawirzyk5247 gdp is not important and estonia doesn´t have a bigger gdp than Portuga. Gdp per capita is important, It´s the gdp divided by the population and here Portugal has a bigger gdp per capita. It´s a stupid comparison
@@Serif_0s do you know that Poland is the BIGGEST producer of
hybrid engine...
That's thanks to TOYOTA...
Germany loves to treat Slavic people as SLAVES... Creating manufacturing facility but not KNOW HOW, development centers...
German are not as stupid as we think thay started to understand that manufacturing goods in Asian countries is a bad idea, because most of them are getting copied...
Ps Neighbour I live on the Polish Czech boarder... 12km from Ostrava... 😉
I was in Estonia on Erasmus and I have to say that I loved being there. Great times indeed. 🇪🇪🇪🇺🇷🇸
such a sweet counry with serious but intelligent and clever people , estonians are kinda introvert but once you get to know then they are very cool and smart people
As a Brazilian, respect those Estonian lads. I can't imagine how could they manage to overcome the dark Soviet era to become a modern nation. This helps me a bit now.
Estonia is educationally immense. I used to live there for a study exchange at the University of Tartu. Their approach is amazing, they focus on skills; creating a set of skills for everyone. It allows us theoretical skills, but also practical skills. They really really push multiple approaches at once. Across 6 modules, they were all so different. I was allowed as a UK political student to study Project Management, International Law, Space Systems, EU Foreign Policy, Russian Economy at once
Cool
The best thing is that even the teachers are held accountable for students failure in Estonia. I hope indian education to become half as good as theirs.
Not sure I like that. Parents are the biggest influence on your kids education. Holding parents accountable would be better.
@@RS-ls7mm what if your teacher doesn't even come to the class? Where I live, 25% of the teachers never attend class (our census) and 60% of the children never show up (because they have to work on the fields, there's no other option). It's easy to blame someone for all your problems
@@philoslother4602 The US went through that phase a long time ago. People realized that the future was in education and sacrificed to make sure their kids did better. Education was an absolute priority in the successful areas. Not true in the US these days however, taking the easy path because people are so spoiled is the new norm. The expected collapse is in 18 years (MIT).
@@philoslother4602 why would an absentee teacher not be fired?
Lol.... i am Estonian teacher i never been accountable for students failure. Everybody has their own work to do and responcibility for their own actions.
As someone who has been through Estonian school system, it was worth it.
The amount of homework made us want to kill ourselves and school was kind of toxic.
But it got better each year. They actually taught us the language (in a Russian school) if it weren't for them making 90% of subjects in Estonian I'd barely speak it. The research papers we did are literally more professional than what I am asked in uni in UK. Problems were addressed quickly and rather efficiently. And equipment such as smart boards and practical stuff(physics, chemistry, pe) was insane after we got the Euro monies. School companies were fun and surprisingly like the real ones, IE actually working for profit and sustaining themselves with their own income.
The only thing that I wish they would improve on is making schools less toxic and that mostly applies to the older generation of teachers.
Your right. Theres just too much homework. I always hated school because of the amount of Hard and i mean very Hard work they gave us EVERY GODDAMN DAY. It has gotten better tho. And schools are no longer toxic. We now have KiVa program. Basicially some lessons are deticated to anti-bullying and other stuff like that to make school less toxic.
Well, that’s what you get in a school system that is purely focused on performance and competition.
Can you tell if critical political thinking is promoted in the school as well?
@@lilcurtiz5333 it has been a long time since i was in school but for me the only political exposure i ever got was at home from the television. It may have become a thing since then but my bias wold lead me to believe people are told to take their politics elsewhere or keep them at home. at least that is what they should be told. it is not a place for that. Personally we were only talking of the subject at hand.... and homework. .ughhh. I was so happy when i knew i would never again have homework. Homework you may first need to study first how to do if you did not pay attention in class. The teachers were always on a tight schedule for what they needed to get through. If they fell behind, you got to do it by yourself at home and checked in the beginning of the next class. Nobody had time for someones politics.
@@erkim7547 what a shame… in my opinion, school should be THE place for encouraging critical political thinking, and not encouraging children to adhere to the competitiveness of society and capitalism.
To be fair, my experience was such that the competitiveness is all administrative. Thinking back i guess it was there but while studying, there was none that i came across.
As for politics, i personally strongly disagree. Politics are not known for bothering to learn the right way towards something. Actually the very opposite. I don’t want to get too much into the reasoning as this is a bottomless pit. Politics are connected to popularity, current trend, outside influence, rhetoric popularity and so many things with no actual connection to education. How often does it become a core of politics to fight against people you have painted as your enemies to fight against? School is not some place where you teach a person to establish themself as some part of an existing political bubble but you teach them to be intelligent enough to make that decision for themselves without your teacher or classmates coercing you to be a part of their herd.
What we were taught, to some extent, was discussion and reasoning. It is a surprisingly deep subject but in essence it teaches you to recognize when people manipulate with reasons and outcomes amongst many other things.
I am from Estonia and I learned something new today from this video!
I graduated uni in 2008, so my experience is mostly different. Although, I studied in an IT College which was founded in a collaboration between a Union of IT Companies and two biggest Universities. More than half of us had jobs by the end of second year and those who didn't had a choice of different internships. The college didn't focus on maths and physics and was able to adjust its curriculum quickly. Actually match and physics were made more easy to pass each year to lower drop out rate. We had studies in Java and C# back in 2005, when others were writing algorithms on paper or coding in Pascal from 1980s. Perhaps this is the collaboration of state and business at best.
PS I left Estonia 4 years ago because weather is shit :)
The stuff that is good here is till the university, we have still far to go in terms of being top of the world for univesertys
Pole see ilm midagi nii halb. Alati kuuma ka ei taha ega liiga külma ja lund tahaks kah ja seda on. Ilm läheb aastatega siin järjest paremaks, kuumad suved ja külmad, lumised talved. Mina ei plaani Eestist kunagi ära kolida, välja arvatud juhul, kui venkud teistpoolt piiri ei tule kallale.
Are you ethnic Russian? If so, can you tell me what going through the Estonian school system was like?
Спасибо за информацию. Now where are you?
I think most countries could learn a lot from Estonia. Not just regarding education, but everything else too.
Amazing what you can do when you are not overrun by third world failures. The US used to be same way but then the leftists opened the borders (for votes) and its been downhill ever since.
Actually, immigrants contribute heavily to America's power as they help demographics continue to be stable in the US and help ease labor shortages. Also, much of innovations come from immigrants and that they, even the undocumented, pay taxes thus not be a burden.
@@vampy8723 The illegals are also directly responsible for bringing back about 10 (CDC) serious diseases that had been wiped out in the US. Legal immigration was based on making sure the people entering the country were going to benefit the country. Every other successful country on Earth has this strict policy.
I see there is some censoring going on. You confuse immigrants with illegals. Seems to be a mental issue with leftists.
@@RS-ls7mm immigration systems are rather new, like post WW1. Most european americans and black american arrived in different ways, didn't they? They left the ship and arrived in a new life, not reallly a club of selected people. Same story in most of the colonial states.
One more thing. This is getting discussed in Estonian subreddit and I need to mention this. A teacher's pay here is 1300€ after taxes, that's for a full-time position. That's way too low to attract future teachers, considering that a teacher is supposed to be a highly educated specialist. They have that covered in Finland. If a teacher wants more, they have the opportunity to work extra, that's how it works. International schools, from what I understand have higher pay.
And before we go any further with our success story: rescue workers have to work two jobs to make ends meet.
1300 how often? Per week, month or year?
@@priceprice_baby month.
They have couple of months of paid vacation each year.
Also, free healthcare.
But, yeah, salary is kind of low.
@@priceprice_baby per month.
Damn, I'm an international school teacher in Latvia and making 3k. I do guess that 1300 is decent for the cost of living in Estonia
I wonder if talented Estonian teachers get poached by richer schools abroad.
Having spent 6 months in Tartu, Estonia. The nation was incredible & their education system is phenomenal. The University of Tartu is amazing.
A educational system where entrepreneurship is taught? That's awesome.
Estonia,a model for Europe and world🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪
Respect from Kazakhstan 🇪🇪🤝🇰🇿
I live in the Netherlands. I’ve met people from all over the world, here in the Netherlands and abroad, but never an Estonian. Now I know why; their country is so awesome they never leave😂
Also there are only 1.3 million or so of them. You're unlikely to meet them as a matter of statistics. This is also part of the reason for their success. Less people in a small(ish) country is usually easier to manage.
@@the80386 Aha! Makes sense.
@@the80386 if that was true most of the balkans would be rich and the other baltic nations as well. Lol.
We have elite schools here in Australia too (we call them "selective schools") but even then, our education system is far inferior to Estonia's.
I think the most important thing to incorporate from the Estonian education system is the free cafeteria - especially if it were to serve healthy foods - because obesity and tooth decay is a severe problem here.
Same here in the US! Fat people are EVERYWHERE here! They generally do not go to work very much though.
Yeah, every teacher I have spoken too is Naplan is a disaster. Schools focus all their energy on getting the best results on the tools that give their school a higher ranking and not on giving the kids a proper education
I live in Estonia and my parents do have to pay for the cafeteria food, but it's not expensive. So it just means that your parents have to pay it, not seperately for everyday but like in the end of the month
@@liisu. sa vist mingi erakoolis sest tavaliselt on lastele ette nähtud tasuta toit mingi ca 1.50€ inimese kohta tavakoolides
Here in Estonia we also have selective schools as like the high school/gymnasium I went to, but it is still not an elite school. This kind of motivates people to study harder to reach those goals of studying in school they want to go to.
It's been a while since a video of Estonia was done on this channel. First VisualPolitik of 2022. Happy New Year.
One thing I never understand is why every nation doesn't look to those who are the best in their fields and copy them, once done you can improve on them and become the new leader so on and so forth.
Because there are too many vested interests with too much stake in keeping things the way they are. The college industry on one side, unions on the other.
Much easier to get voted in when the base level is easy to manipulate. Lower education and pay guarantees that. And that's just a piece of the problem.
sounds good in a perfect world
Mentalities and principles, views of life differ. Such a system like in EE fits pretty much only in EE. Other countries will have to find their own way for various reasons.
Cos they do? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Simply copying stuff wholesale into completely different contexts is hardly a magic bullet. A system that works in one place and context won't necessarily work elsewhere. This is especially true of education - even the Finnish themselves said that when they went around expounding on their educational miracle model. I guarantee you that if you simply took all the Estonian education laws and plonked them down in, say, India, it would be an unmitigated disaster. Fixing complex issues like this is NOT easy.
One thing what I think you forgot to mention or didn't know is that the Estonian state is also heavily investing in how the school environment looks. A good environment can effect a students efficiency a lot, and make them more focused, and wake. Meanwhile stuff like copy/paste architecture can create fatigue and decrease efficiency in learning. That's why Estonian schools always are so fancy, and why they are always getting renovated.
I am Lithuanian, and sadly, as neighbours, we can’t compare to the Estonian results. Not only that, we are not even trying to “copy&paste” their system…
Really? That's weird because I feel that in Poland the education system is very similar. It's just that wages and curriculum is decided by ministry and not schools themselves. Estonians got a good idea with that though. Bigger competition = better results.
same in Latvia :(
@@ThePaciorr trust me education system in Poland is not that bad, compare it to UK's one where only students from privileged classes have a chance for significant career... What is good in UK's system is flexible approach from uni level tutors and much wider spectrum of qualifications to choose from. Yet what is the point of typical education system these days - especially uni level? You can get MIT degree without moving from Poland (and it is not that expensive!)
My country likes WW2 topics . That's education.
@@therzook I knew a girl who moved to Poland from the UK at the age of 13 years old. She was super behind everyone else in practically every class and especially in math. She couldn't do much math without calculator when in Poland it's illegal to use calculator for the most part. On the other hand universities in the UK are super good compared to polish ones at least according to international rankings.
I admire you Estonia. I wish we could become more like you here in Poland.
I don't. The globalists only support eugenicist scandinavians while discrediting eveybody else specially southern countries. This channel is paid and supported by them.
@@peterp4037 Who sold you this bullshit?
@@peterp4037 Does southern countries have better education system than Estonia?
Wut are you taking about? We need more WW2 topics. Kids need to know when some random guy took a piss in bucket.
@@peterp4037 lol Estonians arent scandinavians.
Wow! This is another a very good content from VisualPolitik. For the past 4-5 years, I watched more than 90% of whatever produced by this RUclips channel... more than 50% of the content that I watched is mediocre, in the sense of they just re-telling something that I already know. But this Estonia Education system content is far one of the best that totally expand my way of thinking on my country's education system. Kudos! and Thank you!
This is amazing!
Estonia:
Continuing education for teachers at all costs, competition encouraged. Schools are free to decide on funding. Teachers are paid according to performance.
Germany:
Students show their professor how to start their PC and how to log on to the university intranet. Teachers had their last in-service training a decade ago. Grants have to be applied for in a complicated way and then, for example, a new cafeteria is built even though the old one still works well because "Hey, that's the only reason we got grants!". Teachers with civil servant status have been in the highest salary grade for 15 years and are almost unemployable anyway and no longer make any effort.
The video should be shown at the Ministry of Education in Berlin.
A friend of mine was a transfer student in Germany a few years ago and told me that there is virtually no technology (no computers, phones not allowed) and that there aren't any chalkboards. Is this true or was that an isolated occurrence?
this is true. I was amazed at how much paper mail I got in Germany even in just 6 months. More than I have ever received in Estonia because we do a lot of communication online. And that was 10 years ago. Also I haven't met a German who loved going to school as a teenager. Anyone I asked said they hated it. Whereas I absolutely loved going to school in Estonia.
@@italillo2449 German reliance on paper is just immense.
Now, that's an educational system!
In simplier words : less corruption = better results for ALL!
They must have a good social system as well -- I don't care how great the teachers and facilities are, if children are coming to school tired, underfed, and otherwise in a poorly state because of their home lives, they aren't going to learn well.
Agreed. If kids come to school stressed or the parents are not respectful towards the education process, the children have to be extremely self-motivated to succeed.
Estonian here. We have many and i mean VERY MANY programs to help with it. Schools used to be very toxic and bad here but the programs have changed it completely. Estonian schools are very nice. We had computers and tablets and phones for studying even in like 2012. We no longer need textbooks or any of that old stuff the world uses. Everything is digital and its great. I personally went to school in a small town and still we had SOOOOO much digital stuff and computers.
@@hasdagger1916 full digital dependence has its benefits but is highly vulnerable to cyber attacks
@@the80386 Yes, don't put all eggs in one bucket.
@@the80386 I can assure your as an estonian that noone cared enough to attack an estonian school online.
I've never been in Estonia , but I had the chance to talk to 6 Estonians university girls working as dancers during school holidays in Finland....They were talking to me in 4 languages .......PERIOD.
No more father questions.
Estonia is reaping the reward of 2 decades of investiment.A lesson x the pretty Lands on the Mediterranean sea.
Nice work on this one.
Interesting video, great job Estonia.
For the USA it is getting away from just maximizing how much goes into the educators and governments pockets and actually holding the educators and government accountable for achieving relevant results. Our education needs to be revamped to teaching relevant skills to a dynamically changed economy. Many skills taught even at college level are easily and more economically moved overseas via the internet; Therefore, far fewer college degrees can get well paying jobs.
US has all of the competition, but none of the nurture. There is a reason why we have so many open positions, but none of the qualifications. We're just really cutthroat when it comes to individual responsibility. And to be honest, Estonia's system would never work for several reasons, 1. teacher's union, 2. separate state laws regarding education, 3. company incentive to cooperate with schools, 4. federal and state laws regulating individual freedoms, 5. routine federal standardized testing to evaluate progress (ie. we only have 1 standardized test which is the SAT), 6. lack of leadership (ie. there is a new education director for every president), 7. nonprofitable (US government is a for-profit company that regularly have risk assessments evaluations and the likelihood of a student remaining in the US after schooling is not guaranteed), 8. Expenditure (we are a superpower and spend more on social security and military without a lacking population to support it in taxes- just look at the collapsing infrastructure around every city), 9. We're a hubbub of different races and we lack all the essential of belonging in a community. In fact, you could say the educational system in the US is more about establishing social hierarchy than actual learning.
Superb video.
Hello Visualpolitik, your videos are always very interesting, it would be pleasing to watch something about the causes of the current economic situation in Greece and the past crisis. Many thanks.
Awesome video, and Estonia looking good.
Great combination between education and company is amazing 👏 👌 🙌 😀 😉
The quality of the education has also something to do with population per classroom. In my country, having a classroom with 40+ students is an abnormal amount to handle by one teacher. Those slow learners who lags behind will less likely to get a special attention from the teachers most of the time in fact teachers attention is more focused on high achiever students which kind of ironic.
Not to far off from 36 limit we have here for class 1-12.
went to school in Estonia. we had 32+- pupils in class
@@Vivi-vg9lx what was the medium of instruction? Is there a portal for the subjects covered from grade 1-6?
Very interesting!
Perfect!
We have free education and lots of other perks for students here in Slovenia as well. But I feel that what we learn is much too disconnected from actual work. After getting a degree in computer science I basically had no marketable skills, other than some SQL and Java, the rest was just theory.
I would be interested to learn about education throughout life and how people are prepared to take on responsibility for learning throughout life. A truly modern educational system has no specific end point but carries on throughout life. It starts with people being able to recognise their own learning needs and then having systems in place to meet those needs.
Please do more of this context (education and entrepreneurship)
Just amazing
The teachers have large autonomy in ways of teaching, but there's still some evaluation system which should be standardized, I guess. If the teacher evaluates himself/herself, then unique way of teaching makes evaluation itself far more subjective. I'm not sure if there's a problem at all in this, but something to think on.
Yes, thought the same, but the result are backing up the methods (for the moment...)
As a statistical tool? Sure. As a goal? Absolutely not
There is a system. Teachers have a framework which they need to follow, it states what the students need to know at the end, not how or what methods to teach. How this knowledge is teached is left for the teachers. There are national tests (mandatory and same for all) which test the skills of students and the results are compared. If a class average is low then it is clear that the method of teaching is wrong, if the class is doing OK in other subjects.
I’ve been advocating for a system like this in the US for years.
Yes !! Thank you, for show the World, the exemple of a good education.
As an Estonian, I get a feeling that the supposed entrepreneurship has more to do with eResidency than anything to do with Estonians.
Might be changing times, but a lack on entrepreneurship has been a running self-criticism of Estonians.
I'd have to check the laws on e-residency there but if it were like other nations, I'd imagine many of those companies that were created are shell companies or administrative companies (i.e. Employee Benefits Trust, Holding companies).
Bolt? Skype?
@@tomasfontes3616 besides some notable unicorns, entrepreneurship is not all that high from my perspective but I could of course be wrong. I quickly glanced that over 6 years, eResidents have made over 16.5k companies. Which is not a very high number, but it still statistically relevant for a country as small as Estonia.
@@Eldair compare it to other countries. Estonia is a very small country, population less than 2 million.
Well done Estonia Education System
yes
I must say, very impressive indeed for Estonia🇪🇪! 👏👏😮
If only our education system was that extraordinary! 🇬🇧
I have Aspergers and I absolutely hated high school in the 2000s! 😖😞
To me it was prison and my autism🧠 was far more of a hindrance then than it is now!
Also being an English speaking native is both a blessing and a curse to us ☹️.
Our language skills are abysmal wether or not we live on an isolated island.
good stuff.
Damn cool!!
estonians like me are gods at english because we get access to the internet very early in our lives. I started playing counter strike when i was 6 and the people of the community have teached me much
TAUGHT
That is so interesting
Feeling sad for those russian minorities in Estonia still holding on to the past while integrating would be much better off. Thumbs up for Estonia from Lithuania! 👍🏻✌🏻
russians who live in Estonia were imported in here by Stalin in 50s, Stalin tried to make estonians go extinct and russify the country by deporting thousands of estonians( especiallythe smart ones) into Siberia to die and later imported bunch of russians into Estonia , in recent years I actually saw how estonians and russians started o get along, most young and even oder russians speak estonian and we didnt hace and conflicts with them but this war in Ukraine has changed everything....I am very sad because of that
@@HK-gm8pe totally agree. Thats a shifting point towards attitude and pitty for russian culture in general.
why sad? went to school in Estonia. Best time of my life. We had wonderful school, teachers and education. All of my classmates went to universities, finished them and are in a good place in their lives. And that was 10+ years ago.
@@Vivi-vg9lx due to recent events with russia I had to rewatch the video in different context. Sounds true but subjectively school years are among best years in everybody’s lifes :)
@@majauskasmr I don't agree. Most of my German friends can't say they had great experience in school, which was a surprise for me because I did think everyone considers their school years to be a fun time in their life.
Got my e-residency card, looking forward to recruiting Estonian collaborators!
What do you have in mind?
Im Estonian.
Human capital, set free by true meritocracy.
Absolute best system that I can think of. Seems they were able to at least limit the amount of nepotism and cronyism that plagues much of the world. Even more amazing when their background is considered.
Spending is easy, spending smartly is another matter.
First to comment. May this year brings us exceeding blessing
So inspirative! Key for strong, effective community is knowledge, skills and wisdom, other important things will arise as secondary effect, like political/medial/social awareness of common people.
I always see our politics only talk about changes or rise salary to teachers to shut their mouths. Bureaucracy and old conservative colleagues make almost all new young inspired teachers feel as cog in machine that suffers from rust with no influence. When commercial sphere offers more money to "skillfull" affect combined make situation gross and domain knowledge at least "out of the world". I remember that autoritative aproach of almoast all teachers (some exceptions was there, I wonder if they persist with same attitude). Throw money at "bad" teachers dont make them better. Although situation is little better now than I remember. Thanks to you and Estonia for opening eyes to show solution for social policy, which suffers all history from autoritative,messiah tendencies and rewarding loayality and obedience. Democracy will crush if majority of people will be easily manipulated or be too greedy, lobbying parties that make their life safer at cost of comfort of others. Sadly for most people it is escape from comfort zone.
Lastly some perservering aphorism of czech society "If you do not rob, you rob your family". Still I need to say, we have many amazing, brave and brilliand people which keeps us keep going and giving us hope, that we are not alone.
I hope someday all children will love to search for truth, as they always did, before bad education system make them hate it and memorize answers to tests and forget.
Beautiful video! Thank you. We are visiting Europe after helping a new school open in Lviv. Slava Ukraine! We're in Krakow, also amazing. We will stay in Tallinn for February, hopefully longer after my Digital Nomad Visa application interview on Feb 1st...Tartu looks amazing too!!!
Awesome vid. Can you guys make a future vid about what specifically Estonia is doing to tackle the underperformance of Russian students? It seems like they're not doing so bad compared to other countries if they're is at the top of the PISA rankings, otherwise the high percentage of Russians would bring the score down. It would be cool to see any kind of video about how various countries succeed and fail at integrating other groups or ethnicities.
as someone who is/was a Russian minority and finished school 10+ years ago in Estonia, never had an impression that Russian minority had worse performance when it comes to education. The remark about Russians and their poor performance really surprised me in the end of the video. In fact, I loved the school I went to, we had amazing and caring teachers and it was actually fun going to school.
would have enjoyed more if it was little shorter than it was, anyways its a very interesting video
Nice to see Canada 🇨🇦 I'd 2nd on the PISA score 😀 👍
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If we have best education in the world i feel sorry for other countires. Reality is that work demands for teachers are too high and workload huge and we dont have anymore enough well educated young teachers to replace those who retire. And salary is joke compared with private sector. We have lot of fun things like 56 paid vacation days and lot of independency to choose methods, but also so many problems. I love my job as Estonian teacher and i have best students in world, but if this is best ... the world has no hope ... lol
56 paid days? Dang. But I guess everyone got areas to improve and there are no limits.
The teacher crisis is true and It’s even said that if we continue on this path then we might not even get to educate children in estonian(language).
Notice that the US was #2 in per capita spending but the US has the #43 rated students. I think most of the money goes to the bureaucracy instead of the students and teachers. There is giant building downtown that I have no idea what it does (no students or teachers) but it spends a lot of education money.
Probably because the weakness of America's public welfare means that school districts end up taking on the roles that a larger dedicated statewide program should provide. It sounds like Estonia as a whole provides the fundamentals such as student meals, healthcare, and teacher training, whereas in the US the individual states, districts, and campuses have to budget all that in.
They are always bitching for more money in the inner city, but it doesn't accomplish anything. More tax dollars go there than to wheaton's. Wheaton's depends on volunteers to stock up their food pantries
@@doujinflip Quite the opposite. The US has massive social spending (#2 in the world), there is no reason to work so people don't. And they seem to teach their kids not to try.
@@a.f.7246 The best school where I lived was in the most run down school. The parents were fully involved. The state however decided to punish the school by diverting funds to the worst performing schools. Reward failure, punish success is the democrat way.
@@RS-ls7mm my elementary class had 40 students, yet no one complained. All u hear is the inner s hooks need more money & smaller classes. Always complaining
Intriguing, a education model we should properly apply here in Denmark as well, perhaps our application of it could allow some further innovation, that could then could be applied in Estonia as well.
As Estonian, myself, I would like to notice several things more:
- Really good language studying, most of current local student can speak fluent at least two-three language easily.
- The government spending a lot of money to build new and advanced schools in countryside of the country. (Some schools in countryside looking much more comfort and advanced compared to schools in capital)
- All of the student regardless in school or university have free access to public transport almost everywhere, if not they have a really huge discount
- Parents don't need to worry about spending money on they child, because of free transport, lunches, books and iven laptop in school.
- The educational system really moving with technological advances, for example if 10 years ago you would get only basic of usage skills at programs such as Exel, current they getting skills of building own sites or cybersecurity.
If someone have more questions, you can comment me bellow!
What's average cost for studying masters in engineering?
@@techsite902 There are free and paid. Depends where you learn, what you learn, what language are you using for learning. You might get free if you have good grades.
@@techsite902 not only that. If you study in field that is classified as "necessary/important field" you get even paid to study it. All IT fields for example pay you. Not much, but you can go to McDonald's maybe 10-15 times every month for that. And if your grades are good, you may get additional 15+ Mac lunches every month.
We cannot measure education by data only. High education pressure on students and teachers will actually wither great tellents in long run. For those students who cannot catch up in competition can become social problems in future.
The economic success of Estonia surely contributed by many other factors besides education.
Perhaps you could research and then publish your findings as a rebuttal of this well researched video?
That model didn't work in the US. The teachers just taught the test. Any student that struggled were moved to a "special learning program".
"Give one test and grade teachers on it" isn't the Estonian model. "Money follows the student" is the model, and the AFT & NEA fight tooth and nail against it.
the yearly evaluations are done by state exams here, even the teachers will not know the tests in advance. So you can't cheat the system
@@netiturtle That's not really true. The specific topics are well-known.
I have been selected for master program in Estonia and Latvia also but i finalize Latvia because a friend of mine is also studying there. I think i made a mistake.
TD Zues Don't worry Latvian UNI are similar to Estonia, our primary, secondary school is weaker. It depends on what UNI you chose. If it is top 5, then it is good. LU, RTU, RSU, are the best.
Estonia has better education.
You made a mistake.
I feel like the video lacks so much actual information that every 10 seconds there is a different music snippet to compensate for it
Glad being estonian, living in Finland
Did somone asked?
Are the any counter measures in place to prevent a downward spiral?
Styrax They look at results, and don't teach low result models. That is the measure.
Impressive! And very INSPIRATIONALE! THANK YOU! I
😊I WILL CREATE the MOST EFICIENT and SUCCESSFUL Educational System and this was very useful for my research!
While I wish we could have something similar in American sadly it’s very unlikely to happen
It depends on where you are. I grew up in Chicago and by far my public education was superior to some of my friends other parts of the country.
The biggest problem in American public education is the adults.
Thou shalt not vote democrat
@@ricardoretardo58 lol yeah bit the option is a group if fascists so, what options do we really have? Also, a two party system is all the US culturally can handle.
@@luisoviedo-perez2896 More like that's what our politics naturally converges on in a winner-take-all system where the collection of losers becomes the only other side. Unfortunately this administratively simple concept also encourages pushing the extremes as a way to differentiate one from the other, since the real political spread is more a continuous spectrum.
@@doujinflip multiple part systems exit. I think more the foundation of America and its national identity does not allow for a complex political system. Two parties is all the US population can handle or understand.
it seems the system is all about performance, competition and get ahead. i’m wondering if the students and teachers are actually enjoying the studies and are they allowed to fail?
Maybe some pressure in elite schools, but most schools you can be as active as you choose.
may be it's the competition between schools to be better but as a pupil in Estonian school I never felt any pressure or competition. In my school we had very caring teachers who really wanted us to succeed and helped those who needed help or extra explanation even if it was outside of their working hours.
@@timjackman5780 You can be as active as you choose in "elite schools" as well, I'd say most students are given more freedom there than elsewhere. There's an assumption of personal responsibility and it works in those schools.
What about Latvia's?
egg We have much less quality than Estonia, probably lower than average EU, Lithuania similar.
Hmmm in Turkey we do have security till 21 or until finishing university, but yeah no freedom of decisions for teachers or students. :(
I'd be in favor of a more decentralized system, but in larger countries, especially where the traditional school system has been centralized (usually lead by the Ministries of Education) the risk is to create asymmetries among regions, increasing the social end economic divide. (as for the Estonian case with Russian minorities.
@Emory Dotson Sorry to hear my friend! May your example be used to avoid any of these situation in the future! Good luck!
Russians themselves choose to stay that way.
Did the Estonian education system pass up Finland?
By PISA 2018 and by 2022 yes.
11:35 students can also use public transport free of charge
how about a video on bulgaria? 😀
I doubt it's this simple. No doubt some of the things mentioned are important to Estonia's success but I could already think of ways to game the system as described or ways it could very easily lead to unequal outcomes for different neighborhoods (I'd imagine the Russian neighborhoods would be disadvantaged).
I'm guessing there's a lot of regulation behind the scenes as well as cultural and demographic/geographic factors that may not be present in other countries.
You aren't tied to a single school based on your living place though. you can just go to a better school so your local school has to improve to get funding.
@@kupi1754 Schools with bad scores get less funding or get shut down, so why would a collection of good schools branch out anywhere near an underprivileged neighborhood? Before you know it there would be no schools left in such neighboorhoods. There has to be more to it: regulations they didn't address in the video, or Estonia being "creative" with the scores in underprivileged neighboorhoods, or maybe just that most kids in Estonia live in or near Tallinn, which isn't a huge city, so they might just be a pretty unique country in that most kids are within travel-distance of schools in good neighboorhoods.
@@gulliverdeboer5836 actually I am not sure if we have "bad" neighbourhoods.
@@gulliverdeboer5836 That's the thing, there really aren't any bad neighborhoods. If you're poor you get very much the same options for education. Neither are there any immense distances that could make commuting difficult.
@@avamander. Oh come on. I'm Dutch and even we have bad neighborhoods, not like the US or the third world but opportunities really are different for people growing up there. Estonia is not as rich as the Netherlands and you guys have a Russian speaking minority that probably wouldn't agree everyone has the same opportunities from birth.
I would love to see the US integrate these ideas and systems, but it will never happen. Our country is too beholden to special interest lobbyists.
i agree. i was also arguing with american guy. he was protecting american system of education, where university tuition is very high, so very few people can afford it, and also buy taking huge loans. those who cant - go to military. whereas in Estonia universities are totally free for everybody thus creating opportunities for talented kids and creating motivated professionals. he claimed that this because we pay taxes. so do americans, but their money mostly goes to military... same applies to health insurance. In Estonia its free for everyone who works and pays taxes. Its sad USA can not fix these two major things....
& unions & special interest & big tech
US doesnt change it education and healthcare system because majority people in US doesnt want them to be changed....
@@denisss9350 What you describe falls under the term "social mobility". Estonian leadership seems to understand that in order to compete, you have to figure out how to get everyone the best they can handle. You can't waste people, whatever skill it is, if you don't have a lot of people.
Here in the US back in High School, I would be put in an internship helping me to get around my learning disability but the programs have been defunded for years, same with all programs to help people find work. America's government is too greedy to create anything like Estonia we would be lucky to get golden snowballs. ❄🥶
Too bad salaries are still very low compared to Nordic countries. Many Estonians will go to Finland to work to earn a higher salary. When I was there in 2017 it feels like a worse version of Finland somehow, everything is very cheap and being from Finland I felt rich there. I also know of many Swedish people who will buy property in Estonia due their low prices and live there during the weekend then commute back to Stockholm.
Exactly. The education system in Estonia needs more funding. Lidl just arrived in Estonia and the salary there is equal to a teacher (or maybe like 100 euro less, but still).
The Estonian economy is currently in a chaos, cleaners are earning more than CEO's and no one can say what the medium pay is in the country, it still hangs there around 1500-1800€ according to Wikipedia, but in reality is much more. Some people like truck drives earn a minimum pay of 3000€ while most teachers are stuck on like 1500€ because the state is too incompetent to raise wages. This has led to a lot of new private schools popping up supported by rich millionaires and billionaires. In reality teachers get some benifits extra like cheaper and better housing, some tax cut offs, but in my opinion it's still not enough. And really it ads more fuel to the fire in time when there is allready a lack of teachers because the low pay.
And about the Swedish thing, that's quite common actually. I live in Sweden and I know a lot of rich people, who not only own property in Estonia, but also have moved there. The taxes are very high in Sweden compared to Estonia, and generally Estonia is much prettier than Sweden in nature and in architecture. Add to that the more attractions like cinemas, or stadiums or race tracks per person than in Sweden, and boom, nearly a millionaire's paradise. Making many move to Estonia, and operate their business from there, traveling maybe once or twice a month to Sweden.
I know this coupel with two kids who moved to Estonia, because they wanted better education and healtcare for their children (basically a better and safer environment for their children to grow upp in). And additionally to that the father in the family likes racing, but while living in Stockholm it was hard and expensive for him to do that because the closet race track was 400km away, but in Estonia there are quite a few, and as I understood it from him, cheaper and better in quality.
So the point is that the Swedish over socialism has started to make life worse for the common Swede and many are deciding on to move to other places. Because even if you have a lot of money, if you don't enjoy your life, then what's the point of it.
@@tankart3645 Why no one can say what the medium pay is, does state don't know, don't tell, lie? Can you explain why cleaners own more than CEO. Cleaner of big company compared to CEO or startup, small company? 3k E as truck driver sounds fear, especially because they spend many hours, days away from their families, all day sitting, hard work. Compare to teacher, it is fun to work, teach children, creative work. Could it be real reson there are less young teachers, because they need to learn much before they can teach, not as many people that can do that kind of work? I don't believe it is as simple as smaller salary.
@@juriscervenaks8953 The thing is more complex than you understand. And you obviously don't know enough. Do you even know how much it takes to become a middle school teacher in Estonia, I mean people spend a lot of years in school for that, as the level is quite high in Estonia, and the students are savage. And truck driving isn't really that hard of a job, I know some who work in that field and they always talk about how easy money that is. The state knows about what the medium pay is, but they don't want to say it directly and keep it at the same level as it was in 2019, because otherwise they would have to start paying out much higher wages to state workers and to people who need support. And there are about 150 000 state workers in Estonia, teachers, firefighters, doctors, police, politicians and people like buss drivers. And if they are currently getting about 1500 because the medium pay was like 1400 in 2019, then think what the state has to pay out to them if the medium wage in the country would be 2000€.
The biggest obstacle for improving indian education system is its huge population and lack of funds
Every year india adds 1 more Australia to its already huge population
there's no lack of funds. it's just that government is busy spending it on crushing opposition, minorities and building up the military. intentional underfunding and mismanagement of public services create an excuse for privatization as a magic solution in the name of 'efficiency', when in reality it's just for lining the pockets of their crony friends, resulting an ever increasing divide between the elite and everyone else. and the worst part is that any criticism, however valid, is shut down by labelling it as chinese or pakistani propaganda.
What if public were serious about education. All the funds and teachers and all the great industries if the will merge to make excellent education system. IT depend on the will of nation and agility to be selfless.
@@the80386 What about the public, how public can tolerate. We never raised this questions? We never demanded anything. What about parents? Do they ever tell you to die for country. But they tell you to get a job and get married and settled. It is public to be blamed not government. IF people were highly moral, they would have long time ago emphasized on education. What we need is authoritarian government which is at the roots of nation and committed for revival of education. We don't think for ourselves.
surely Estonia can join the Nordics with this achievement and guide the education system not just in the nordics or EU but he whole world
The Swedes hate it, it makes them look bad. And belive me, I live in Sweden. The schools system here sucks, and nearly any young person can agree on it. The level of education is so low for so long, and then gets like super difficult for a period in High school and in the 9th grade, giving kids depression. And over description of heavy drugs to students is very common, like anti-depressants and adhd pills
@@tankart3645 I thought you education system was good
This video makes me want to call my dentist.
Interesting video and a great description of Estonia's educational system but that is not all. Their system would probably not work elsewhere because cultures, political will etc differ. Countries need to take a good look at their educational systems and what works for them rather than copy Estonia or Finland etc....
From development aid reciever to contributer. Beautiful, next on the agenda the balkan countries.
Actually free healthcare is all the time when you study. I'm 22, still studying and am recieving free healthcare. 19 is the age up to where you get free dental care and vision too I think?
Hmm the issue here is that it is much harder to use this model in a larger country because it isn't so easy to travel hours to go to a different school so many people simply cannot exercise their ability to choose in this way. There are some elements I like here though, the flexibility for local needs is good, and on going training and the equality of opportunity.
Here in Trinidad and Tobago our education system is very similar the but the nuances of the systems does not allow us to have the same effect as Estonia...:/
Please do one on the #MALDIVES
All of the Nordic Countries have similar social programs. Here in Norway there is less competition between schools than described in Estonia. Which is just another way to say that Norway is insanely rich so its inhabitants don’t have to worry or try too hard, while Estonians are less so and must work harder for their welfare
yes, please...
I'm moving.
9:35 but this also causes higher burnout rates and greater dissatisfaction amongst teachers. There is also a shortage of teachers, as you can get a better paying job with less education.
This might be a silly question, but recently I keep hearing that X country has X amount of startups and how great that is, e.g. Estonia's business startup rate is high. However, how many of those startups survive? Is it really a good thing to have so many startups if only a small number succeeds? I read that 90% of startups fail.
Ofcouse not all of them will survive, but estonia has handful billion dollar startups and also alot of thouse what archive few hundread million turnover. and alot of thouse who have few million to 50 million value. Estonian are not afraid to fail. They fail they try again with new idea.
Skype, transferwise, bolt, skillshare, kazaa, hotmail, cleveron (postal boxes in all walmarts), starship technologies ( white autonomous bots that move around us cities, carrying stuff around ), milrem robotics ( first automated tanks ) and many more.
It is speculated that bitcoin is also estonian.
You may try and fail, but you cant succeed if you wont even try...
India should follow Estonian model in NEP.