What's The Deal With Film Photography?
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Why are more people picking up a film camera? I'm diving just a bit deeper on the why, while also giving a bit of my opinion as to why I decided to start shooting 35mm film.
(How many times did I say photographer/photography in this video lol)
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00:00 Introduction
01:11 The Why
02:05 Nostalgia
03:17 Cinema and Film
05:35 Why I Shoot on Film
Fyi, don't pop off your film canister lid into the grass like I did. I did it for "dramatic effect", but picked it up immediately after. Always pack out what you pack in!
I remember reading an article several years ago in some news publication, that historians were concerned that there wasn't going to be a history to look back on because people had stopped shooting film and they weren't leaving a "physical " memory behind. I am glad to see that film photography has hung on and seems to be making a comeback even if its a niche market. Film definitely makes you slow down and enjoy the process.
The process is a big part of it, and I'm glad people are discovering that faster isn't always better.
Digital photographers still print.
@challiray Most people do not print, I didn't say digital photographers don't print. The cost involved with digital printing as well as film printing, especially film, just keeps most people, not all but most, from doing it. Ink is expensive.
If you think a film negative will outlive a digital file, you’re nuts. The film negative will rot away to dust. Read about Martin Scorsese and the film foundation and why he started to panic in the 80s when he realised all the films he loved as a kid was vanishing, literally rotting away.
@laurencewhite4809 I never said that. Look at my post again, also from a purely technical perspective, Digital beats film hand down. I shoot both and enjoy both. Have a wonderful day.
Gas station is an essential part of modern life and therefore of modern photography
can't argue with that
I don’t understand your point.
You managed to include every piece of nonsense about film photography in one short video, congrats😢
Especially a misty gas station
Walter Middy is one of the best movies ever. I’ve watched it 15-20 times. It’s one of those films you can watch over and over and it doesn’t get old to me. Very inspirational
Totally agree, I feel like I learn something new every time I watch it.
I also loved it, I didn't know anything neither excepted anything when I just watched it, but it was very beautiful movie and it felt like a "loveletter to photography" on some way.
I think you're right about it being grounding. For me, film photography feels like alchemy. Pick my subject. Set my shutter speed and aperture. Determining the focal range on my 60s Voightlander. Loading the these moments into a tank in complete blackness. Chemical baths at specific times and temperatures. The process is a story in its self. Absolute alchemy and I love it.
When I first started developing, I felt like I was back in a high school chemistry class (minus the anxiety lol). Such a great feeling to do it out of your own interests. Like you said, the process is a story in and of itself.
I really am wanting to get into developing! How much would a bare-bones basic setup cost to start developing B&W? I shoot primarily Illford HP5 Plus 400ISO.
Film is photography and photography has now come full circle. Digital has been with us 25-30 years now? And what we are seeing more and more of is digital photography editing software being used to simulate 35mm film types. And it makes you ask the question, what am I doing spending all this money on digital gear to create a film look when I can simply just shoot film!
Our world is so overwhelmingly digitial these days, I think people are starting to really want tangible things again.
@@keelanbourdon This is why I will always offer my clients prints and photobooks. A real photo is something you can hold.
I think your arguments in the second half were on point. The clarity between you, the subject, and the camera is very consistent - you're not taken out of the moment by what you've already shot. And having an actual _original_ image which, as you say, was formed by chemical changes right there where you were when you pressed the shutter is something special - which the absurd attempt to create 'original' digital files with NFTs only emphasises.
You can still get good cameras very cheaply - especially if you're not concerned about getting one of the most famous models. And you can get that tactile sensation from a few digital cameras now - Fujifilm cameras and the likes of the Nikon Zfc for example. The price of film now is keeping me away from shooting film - which I've done for 30 years up to around the pandemic. But that may actually make it _more_ appealing on Instagram and TikTok - because now it has a status element to it.
One of the biggest things for me is staying in the moment when shooting. I love how connected I feel when I'm shooting on film. Thanks for checking out the video!
Having shot on film, processed my own b&w and c41 film, printed my own photos, and paid thousands for processing and printing at labs, I'm completely over it. I'm so happy to be able to shoot digital now. But, since I learned on film, I still approach each photo as if it were using a frame of film. I'm deliberate in my composition and exposure. I don't fill up cards with thousands of snaps.
I think that's a great mentality to have.
A very nice idea that a particular roll of film was with you in that moment. I like that a lot :) Thanks for the great first video! I'm looking forward to your upcoming content.
One of my favorite things about film is flipping through my negative archives and looking at all the different places my film has been with me. Thanks for watching, lots more to come!
as someone old , when i started taking pictures there were no digital cameras and i enjoy developing film, i have always stayed true to taking pictures with film.
But i am very concerned about the prices charged for film today. There's just nothing to justify these, and I see that as a big danger for film photography as it just puts a lot of people off
You're right, the price is definitely making it harder to justify shooting a lot of film. Hopefully something changes in the future.
I'm just now getting into film and the prices are rough. To purchase, develop, and scan 10 rolls of Illford HP5 costs me $350 through Gelatin Labs purchasing at $10/roll locally. Ouch! I'm going to buy a scanner from B&H and scan my own to half the price of development/scanning. I then want to learn to develop myself.
I started my photography in 1962. I shoot film as well as digital. I like the aesthetic of grain but there are two practical reasons top shoot film. The first is the gamma of film is much closer to the way the eye records visual data. And secondly both the cost and the limited number of frames on a roll causes the mind to think more about each shot. Medium format is better than 35mm, not because of greater resolution, but because the number of shots is lower and the cost is higher per shot, so the mind automatically takes more time, and considers the look of the light more deeply. Discernment increases and the number of shots taken decreases, but the quality per shot skyrockets. If you think it is about resolution, you are not understanding what you are doing.
I remember in the 60's, with my Speed Graphic 4x5. I would normally go out with just two sheets loaded, and no matter what, I had to get the money shot in one of those two shots. That has a way of sharpening the mind about what constitutes the perfect story telling moment. Ansel Adams would have just one sheet of film with him. This is why he became such a master of getting the right moment, of recognising the story, and how to tell it. He only needed that one sheet because 99% of taking the photograph happened between his ears and in his heart, way before he would release the shutter. That is the advantage of film - limitations, and making the most of the silver that has been entrusted to you, and understanding that it is not the camera that makes the photograph.
Films dynamic range can be really incredible. It's amazing how close it can replicate what we see with our eyes.
1) That is 1,000% false about Ansel Adams. He sometimes brought hundreds of glass plates with him on long trips with gallons of chemicals for coating them, and later on many rolls of film or many holders for stacks of sheet film (he also had a mobile darkroom anyway, so he could just load more sheet film from the stack when holders ran out). A large format camera can only hold one plate or sheet at a time, it doesn't have an auto advance lever, but you can simply replace the dark slide and take out the holder and put a new one in... There's a picture of his donkey Mistletoe you can look up with a massive amount of gear piled on top of her that would put any modern "bring everything" photographer to shame, and that a human couldn't even carry all of.
2) If you want to be limited, you can simply put a dummy file in your memory card that takes up 99% of the space on the card and only leaves room for 24 shots before you head out.
Shooting both is the way to go!
Best of both worlds
Have you ever driven a classic car? Using my 60 year old film camera gives me that same feeling. Every time I click the shutter. Plus the buzz when I have developed my own negatives and I scan the image. Often I go Wow how did I do that? Plus the softness of the image. Digital sensors are now up to 50 megapixels and so sharp they are literally unreal. I have just sold my digital camera and have gone totally to the dark side... Cheers!
I haven't gotten the opportunity yet to drive a classic car, but I can totally see how it could give that same feeling! Thanks for watching
I was shocked to see that im only in the first 300 people to subscribe, you definitely deserve more, your video was very well written, i had a strong calming, almost asmr feeling watching it. Definitely consider doing more on analog photography subjects.
Thanks for watching, I just started up my RUclips channel a couple weeks ago. Glad you enjoyed it and there will be lots more videos to come!
I am 49 years old, I started with film photography, for which I used a manual focus SLR which had no features; the charm of those manual focus SLRs was that they were very easy to learn and use, and in use there was absolutely nothing to distract the photographer. My favourite manual focus SLRs were made during the mid 70's until the early 80's, the best of them all was the Nikon F3 which was then a professional SLR. I also loved the NIKON FM2N which I see you use in this video. I also love the very loud sounds of the mechanical shutter-curtains and the flipping of the mirror, and the haptic feedback you got from pressing the shutter-release of a manual focus SLR, sadly lost in Mirrorless cameras as they don't have a mechanical shutter.
I looked around a lot for the FM2n and found someone selling it used in mint condition. I love the fact that it's fully mechanical, and I'm also a big fan of the + or - light meter in the viewfinder. Thanks for checking out the vid!
Good video. Film has been with us far longer than digital. Digital is still the new kid on the block. Shooting film is very special, and I hope it continues long into the future.
Thanks for whatching! I think film will always be around in some shape or form. There is a whole new niche market now for film which only seems to be growing.
i love the way this video is edited. recently it's been kinda hard for me to sit through a whole video but i really enjoyed this one :)
Well I'm glad you were able to sit through this one! More videos to come so stay tuned :)
For me I realized i just don't print digital photos, and I wanted more photos printed. I love walking into my folks home with the photos of aunts and uncles and meanwhile I only had one physical photo of my fiancée, despite her being the most important person in my life.
So I got a Polaroid and now I have a ton of family photos on my work desk at the office and my hobby desk at home. Best decision I ever made
Great video, loved it and was nodding along with the section about no distractions. There's definitely an element of delayed gratification/inconvenience that makes those film shots that came out perfectly even more special...
Started with an f80 and the local lab, ended up with an FE, a medium format and my own developing and scanning - I love how film in particular can let you pour in as much effort to get the exact look that you want, or can be as accessible as a point and shoot and the local lab.
Looking forward to more from your channel!
Totally agree, I also find there is such a magic in developing your own photos as well. I remember how shocked I was when I developed my first roll and actually saw pictures on the negatives haha. Thanks for the kind words, lots more to come!
@@keelanbourdon I've developed well over 50 rolls at this point 20 colour and 30 B&W and I still go "wait that worked?" every time
Great job on your 1st video. Great pacing and B roll sequences
Thanks so much!
I can't wait to see more videos from you. I love the editing and visual beauty
Thanks so much! I have a lot of videos planned for the future. Stay tuned!
Nice video! The slowed down process is one of the reason I also like to shoot analog from time to time.
Nice channel, just discovered it. New sub!
Thanks for subscribing! Glad you enjoyed the vid, lots more to come.
Nicely put. Great video.
Thanks for watching!
Nice video mate! I was disappointed when I saw that you don't have any other videos on your channel. Keep it up!
Thanks! I appreciate you checking it out. Lots more videos to come!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on Film Photography. I'm 62 , spent most of my life using film then like many slowly switched to digital. I'm now using film again after long time and I really appreciate the fact that so many young people like you are now using film. I'm was curious to know what leads you guys to use film nowdays and your video has provided me with some interesting material.
I really appreciate you checking out the video! I'm glad I could provide some insight into why the younger generation is embracing film.
To me,
Film cameras are simpler and more deliberate. I get a metering on my phone after choosing an aperture, and that tells me my shutter speed.
After that, I take the picture and then forget about it until a month or two later when I send the roll out for development. There is nothing like the joy of finding a portfolio shot on a film roll you forgot you shot.
Great video! Can’t wait to see what you do next!
It's great rediscovering those photos. I checked out your channel, great stuff! Love the cinematography you've got going on.
@@keelanbourdon Thanks so much!
Great job explaining the feeling. 👍👍
Thanks for checkin out the vid!
You are young but you have an old soul and have summed it up beautifully. I got my first camera in 1960 when I was 16 so I grew up with film cameras. I still have my Olympus OM1 although it has not been used for a very long time. Many things are made too easy now, including photography and the value of hard won photos is not not appreciated. We didn't have PhotoShop then. When I look at my old photos the memories come flooding back. Friends and family no longer with us, fun and laughter, places, holidays, weddings, plus, for me, the cameras I took them on and the waiting for the film to be developed. I still shoot Olympus....an OMD E M5mk2. I sometimes use one of my old legacy lenses with an adapter too, just beacus... Enjoy your photography and your film cameras.
Thanks for watching the video! Working hard to get a photo and having it come out beautifully is what makes photography special in my opinion.
Hearing your thoughts on why film photography is continuing to be important to many people was interesting. Thanks for this.
When people call it “analogue”, do they give any thought to what film photography is analogous to? Analogue is not a word that stands on its own. It is a comparative term.
Your drone work and videography is top-notch.
Good luck, eh!
Thanks for watching! I guess analog is just a comparison to the digital world we live in today. It seems like we're all getting deprived of things that feel "real" if that makes sense. Pixels aren't a great substitute for reality.
I love the feel of my FE2 and S3 2000, real mechanical manufacturing and function. This together with anticipation of collecting a set of prints is pure nostalgia for me. You really try to get the photographic process right, otherwise it is expensive mistakes.
Expensive mistakes for sure. I think people are very intentional when learning on film because of how expensive those mistakes are.
Intelligent, articulate and thoughtful! Subscribed from Melbourne Australia
Thanks so much! I would love to visit Australia one day
I too shoot with an analogue camera (6 years are already passed since I started). MY reason for choosing this medium is simple: I want my pictures to be seen by my future family.
I am now able to open a few boxes and see my mom and dad as kids playing with their respective parents, or when they were lovers. I can see myself as a child cooking at home, on trips with my old classroom friends, on summer holidays etc etc.
I want to show my life in an easy and accessible way.
I personally doubt many people are able to properly store thousands of digital photos for decades.
I think being able to look through photos in a tangible way, years down the line, is something really cool.
I really like your cross reference to the Ben Stiller movie. That hooked me too. And for me it is the haptics with analogue cameras. The feedback you get from the “click” in the moment
I just rewatched the movie again the other day lol, never gets old.
I just got into film, I have always had digital cameras. My dad was a photographer for most of his life so that influenced me a lot as well. Along with movies like the Secret Life of Walter Mitty. I never did photography until this past year since I travel for work and just got into hiking and seeing National Parks.
Cool to hear you just got into it. Photography through film is such a different experience I've found, and I've really enjoyed it. I'm sure it'll accompany you well on your hikes
You nailed the algorythm and content/timing with this video. 252 Subscribers and 8.8k views... NICE!
haha yea, I'm surprised this video got traction the way it did. More videos to come though if you liked this one!
thank you for that Video, just stumbled across but i must say that your video Quality is extraordinary, audio , Video and Content quality are so perfect i thought that you must have about 500 000 to a million Followers. Keep on going
Wow, thanks so much. This comment means a lot to me! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and feel free to subscribe to stay up to date with future videos I make. I have a lot of great vids planned for the future!
As someone who started on film photography using my grandpa’s old medium format TLR, I instantly grew annoyed by film and the cost of film that i sought a DSLR. After using a DSLR for a short period of time, I almost immediately wanted to return to film because while it is more work, it makes me feel more attached to my photos
I definitely feel more attached to my photos with film. I look back into my negative archive and I remember almost every shot I took. It's a cool experience coming from digital.
Try this out: fill up your memory card with a dummy text file or whatever that takes up exactly the amount of space to leave only room for 24 shots left on your card, before you leave the house. (Obviously the camera allows you to delete it, but you know... don't)
Excellent editing. I like what I'm seeing
Glad you liked it! I worked hard on this one lol
I started with a Nikon F and F2 a month ago. Developed my first couple rolls of Kodak 400 and love those 72 imperfect photos more than all the thousands of digital pictures I took with my dslrs.
I still remember the first couple of rolls I developed. Imperfect was definitely how I'd describe those first few rolls, but there's nothing wrong with imperfection. I think it adds a certain quality that can't be replicated. I'm loving my Nikon Fm2n, so I'm sure you'll love your Nikons. So many lenses to choose from with these cameras!
@@keelanbourdon yup all my Nikon D lenses work with them, that’s the reason why I went with the F and F2. It was either ditch the equipment and go mirrorless or just pick up some bodies for film. I went with the latter. Looking forward to learning more, thanks for your content.
Analog cameras & lenses last for decades with proper care. Imagine DSLR operating for 20 years or more? LOL
I am old , 60+ lol. I started out with film. My grandad was a press photographer (I have his Graflex) . I did 35mm, 220, slides. Then I dropped film in the 80s. Had a backpack Beta tape recorder with a huge video camera with a big cable (+half a car battery) :-) Through the 90s, 2000s, 2010s, all digital. During the pandemic, I picked up the press camera. I also had his darkroom timers etc. So I got a nice scanner, the Adobe stuff. Started film again minus the enlarger. My mom passed and I got a ton of 35mm gear. Been fun. My best half thought I was nuts. Now I do weddings and offer film as an extra. Do both.
That's really cool to hear about your grandad being a press photographer. Must be pretty fun to shoot with that.
I grew up when film was the only choice. When digital started I slowly moved over to it. That being said, the majority of my time spent behind any form of camera was on vacations and family events. Later on, I took courses in film photography and development. My approach to the camera has remained the same regardless of analogue or digital. Depending on the situation, Always think before you click! Slow down! Not every picture you take is going to be the best and just because you have unlimited images (digital), rarely do I take more than 2 images of any given subject. As for rapid fire shooting, really never done it at all. Film back in the day was used just as digital cameras were used today, you would shoot rolls and rolls. pick out the best shots (especially commercial photography) But now, cost it the biggest barrier. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching! Think before you click is a great motto
How have cost to develop changed? Has it always been more expensive to develop B&W film than it takes to buy the roll? Labs are charging $12+ per roll to develop B&W film and I'm buying them at $7-$10 per roll.. Youch! I need to learn to develop. Color is the opposite. Costs $7/roll to develop and $14/roll to buy. Has it always been like this? Just curious.
There are a couple of reasons why I do film photography. I stumbled my way into it coming from a Canon APS-C DSLR.
For starters I got an Exa 1b with a waist level viewfinder and a 50mm f/2.8 lens for 10€ a couple of years ago as my first film camera. It was just sitting on a shelf in a store's window at a local photo studio. I was just getting some chinese takeout, saw it sitting there and came back for it the next day. The name plate fell off, parts of the film counter are missing but it had the leather and red velvet case/bag(?) so it would have still looked nice as decor if it didn't work. I bought it for the sole purpose of trying out a waist level viewfinder because I had watched a couple of videos about the Hasselblad 500 series of cameras. Somehow the subjects looked so alive and three dimensional in the big medium format viewfinders. It worked and still does and the lens is actually quite good apart from being only f/2.8. I read up on the M42 lens mount, found out about the Helios 58mm lens and found someone who was selling it along with a Zenit E camera near me for marginally more than the lens alone typically goes for. It's heavy since it's mostly made of brass I think, the shutter makes a satisfying noise and it has a selenium light meter which I had never seen before. Unfortunately it won't get any better because they kind of decay as time goes on and become less accurate. It was build in 1982 afterall. Now I have a newer model Zenit 12XP with an electronic light meter and easier to use control knobs, a Jupiter 9 85mm and SMC Takumar lenses (28 f/3.5, 35 f/2.0, 55mm f/1.8). I kinda navigated myself into M42 because they relatively cheap to get. My interchangable lens SLRs are all M42, East German or Soviet models, because they cheap.
Oh well, each camera is a whole experience. I have a Lomo Lubitel 166B and Yashica Mat 124G as 6x6 medium format cameras, both TLRs but they function very differently. For example with the Lubitel you can easily screw up your shot when your fat finger blocks the shutter lever. You also have to advance the film seperately or you will have multiple exposures on one frame. Ask me how I know... The viewfinder is really crappy tbh. Hard to frame and focus. You really have to take your time with it. The Yashica feels much more solid, has a better viewfinder (I just ordered a Bright Screen to upgrade it), there is less to screw up but it's also noticably heavier. I don't mind dangling the Lubitel on a strap on my wrist while I walk around, the Yashica requires a bigger neckstrap for me.
I haven't even talked about the pictures I get from them yet. There is still a learning curve up ahead for me as I have to figure out how to work with film a little more, especially the exposure but my most recent results look promising. At first I had them developed and scanned at labs (I tried out different ones) but I got some equipment to scan the negatives myself so I'll only get the films developed from now. I use Lightroom and Negative Lab Pro for now. Even though the pictures might now be the most interesting or great, I have much more of a connection to them. I walk around my neighbourhood, take shots and make notes of the subjects and exposure settings and when I get the scans on my computer I am right back in that moment.
I bought a Canon EOS R as an upgrade from my 600D/T3i but I don't feel the urge to take it with me somehow. I totally have to get to know it more to be more comfortable with it but there is not that much drive in me. Yeah... It's a gut feeling mostly. I totally have gear aquisition syndrome with analog cameras. They come in so many styles and flavors and I want to try them all.
Each camera is definitely a different experience for sure. Thanks for watching!
Well said. You are raising good points about the why. I would add that, as people, we get a special satisfaction about doing the work, about doing things with our hands. It's when you have to work on something to make it happen that we get there most out of it.
I think technology is such a great tool we have nowadays, but we also shouldn't forget about doing things with our hands. Great point.
Well done. Very thoughtful.
Thanks for watching!
Well done. Your comments about the physical interaction, feeling more grounded, trusting that you got it right, harmonize with sentiments of vast numbers of both new film photographers and a number who have returned after years of digital. I see film's resurgence as a marker of deeper cultural change as well. You may enjoy The Revenge of Analogue-- Real Things and Why They Matter, 2016, by David Sax.
Thanks, I appreciate you watching! I'll check out the revenge of analogue. Seems really interesting.
I am a hobby photographer. I still have my Pentax K1000 that I bought used back around 2002. I used the Pentax with a roll of Fuji 400 a couple years ago. Had a Nikon 90s that came with a lens I wanted. I gave that camera and a couple of lenses to a lady in her 70's that said she missed taking photos. I shot several rolls of 35mm with the Nikon. I think I am not happy with the resolution of 35mm file. Soooo, since last fall have purchased a Pentax 645 and Pentax 6x7 at bargain prices and 3 boxes of 120 film. I am happier with the scans from the 6X7 which give similar resolution to my 24mp Nikon 610. So far I am tickled with the colors of Ektar 100. I like my golden hour photos and the film seems to give a more even transition in the highlights. Once the film is used up I will decide if I will keep shooting film.
Film seems to handle highlights really well. I'm always impressed with the dynamic range of my photos shot on film.
I started Film in 1969. Was in the Navy and purchased my first 35mm camera from the Ships Store. Put aside when digital came out. Returned to film 4or5 years ago. I have several Nikons. Including a S2 from mid 50s. The most beautiful photos have been taken with Medium Format Film cameras.
Medium format always looks so good. I'll have to pick one up one day.
A very good medium format camera is the Yashica Mat 124. I have one of these and a Mamiya C330. It is a large TLR@@keelanbourdon
After several decades of photography and a few photobooks and the Costco crash, all; or most of my photographs and books are gone. I sold my home and my wife said I should sell my camera/lens collection so I did, thinking it would be no problem to replace what I wanted to replace. Not so! So now at 78 my cameras are gone and most of my pictures are too. I've ordered one antique Pentax camera with one 50mm lens and I'm back to film, which I trust and understand, and it understands me. Apparently I'm not the only one!
It is quite crazy the demand for a lot of these older cameras. I don't blame you for thinking it'd be easy to replace what you sold! Glad you're back at it with film photography.
Film is so deeply personal for me because I grew up shooting and developing my own 35mm film. I’ll always love film.
Definitely a connection to it when you've grown up shooting film.
Great presentation. Film also presents a huge variety of outcomes: colour negative, black and white, colour reversal, (and there used to be black and white reversal) and within each of these groups there is a miriad of different effects produced by different films. Then when you develop the film yourself you have the choice of different developers that all have slightly different effects on the final outcome. Extend that to printing in the dark room and you add another dimension to the experience. While I like the crispness of digital, I have always felt like something else is doing the work for you.
There really is so much to learn when it comes to film. Like you mentioned, everything from the technique when developing to the different types of grain for different film stocks, it all affects the final outcome of the photo.
Well put! 👍
Thanks for stoppin' by!
Number one reason to shoot film - owning your original images and legacy
With digital, they are copied from the camera, to the computer, to the cloud.
There is no original image anymore.
The SDCard gets overwritten.
The computer gets replaced every few years.
The cloud storage stops when you stop paying the monthly tribute.
At the end of the process, there is nothing left. It’s just rented memories, held by a third party, and deleted when you are no longer paying your fees.
When you are old and gone, nobody is going to bother trying to dig up your “digital backups”, that are stored on old hard disks or flash drives that are obsolete… and probably incompatible with current standards.
But a carefully organised set of negatives, with written notes, that’s different.
A 5 year old can hold that up to the light, and see what you saw.
Absolutely, I love your example of a five year old being able to view the photo with ease. As much as digital has helped us through the years, there is still definitely a place for things that are tangible. Thanks for watching!
I never thought about that film being my buddy who was on that trip and is right there in the binder on my shelf.... Whoooaa!
Totally! It's an interesting thought
I'm just loving the highlight recovery I have in my intentionally overexposed shots. And the detail in the shadows. It's magic.
It really feels like magic sometimes eh
I have mixed feelings about shooting film. At 72 years old my eyesight is not what it used to be. Like most I started at age 15 and never stopped. I like a camera that have the standard dials. My current is fuji X T5. My Nikon FM2 and FE2 sit idle. I still enjoy the control with the knobs and f stop and let the camera autofocus.
I've used mirrorless cameras with nice physical dials, but also with great autofocus. Very nice to use.
I have negatives from 1990. My oldest digital images are all deleted/corrupted . That is why I shoot film.
There's something comforting knowing that your photos exist in the "real world".
Hopefully , more people will see the value of ACTUALLY having a photo in the hand and not on some digital piece of junk that will be obsolete in 5 years.
I now have eight film cameras. I just like shooting my film equipment. Yes, I have a digital... but the film gets out often. It's a split between B&W and color. When you get those really good shots it feels good. I shot a roll at a city park Dec 15. Maybe I'll get the pictures back by years end. That is part of the fun... the anticipation!
How did the photos come out at city park? Any keepers
Summed up my thoughts perfectly. Film has become such an important avenue for my creative expression
Same here! Thanks for watchin
Film photography is a mature tecnology. It's had almost 200 years to become what we have now. There's something delightful about a technology that's gone as far as it will ever go (like vinyl records). Digital, as good as it is, is an immature technology. At the moment it has fine grain, huge dynamic range, saturated colors and amazingly high iso speeds BUT digital always looks digital. Never natural. It will become superb, one day, but at the moment it always looks fake. A well lit and well focused film image looks real and looks magnificent. For those who've never experienced Kodachrome 25, medium format, projected on a good screen, you have no idea what I mean but please take my word for it - it is a wonderful experience.
That is what I love about film, how true to life the photo looks.
Amen to Kodachrome 25. I loved it for 35mm.
I'm encouraged to see much younger people than myself (low 30s) getting into film. Most people my age are shooting digital only (that I know of). I recently got into film after shooting digital for 7 years. It is so much more satisfying and my photography "skills" have improved vastly. I really enjoy it. It is a lot more expensive, but it is a labor of love at this point. I also like the idea of leaving physical (possibly historical) records behind. Think about it, you could shoot millions of pictures throughout your life and have it all on one hard drive when you die. Someone could throw it away or delete it in a split second. Your life's work, gone. I like to think the film will be treated differently. Maybe not, time will tell.
I hope film will be treated differently. I think there is something to having that actual physical negative that changes someone's mindset around it. When you can actually see the photo taken and it's not just one's and zero's, it feels more personal.
I'm a super keen photographer, and spent 40+ years getting better. IMO one never stops learning. I still have my old Nikon F3 and F5 plus a few frozen Velvia films and some bulk Provia cut to 36's to shoot one day.
But, for 20 years I have shot 100% digital, now exclusively on Sony kit. The technical quality I can achieve nowadays (higher spec. sensors, glass and software) is better than anything I achieved on 35mm and arguably better than when I shot with a Mamyia RZ67ii. Artistically and creatively, then probably less improvement - but that's down to me. I have sent images all over the world and received awards (as an amateur) for many images in different genres. Had work published occasionally too. But I don't kid myself that any are 'great' or likely to appeal to family or friends enough for any to seriously think about preserving for either history or Art's sake.
Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, but after discussing with a few equally serious (but, alas ageing) photographer friends we have concluded our lifetimes work in imaging is mostly destined for the skip. It will be thrown away because it has little or no emotional connections to our families. The only odd pictures that are likely to survive will be a few portraits of family or friends.
My wife might be more sympathetic, but she won't outlast me by more than a few years - then it's the skip, landfill or recycling (probably just the paper prints and card mounts).
Most folks today (probably 95+%) think that a phone is all you need to take good (well good enough) pics. Just because I'm willing to pay $3000+ for a great lens, can shoot good (IMO great) publishable sports or wildlife pics will mean little or nothing to others. I accept this and don't kid myself that my obsession with making a few outstanding images will 'cut it' with others.
About the only way to preserve more than 1% of your work is to create 'interesting' photo books. Preferably books with a few words and 'soul'. Ideally even a photo essay or story. IMO relatives are less likely to just throw out books (unless boring) than loose prints, slides, negatives, photo kit etc etc.
Let's face it, how many of us know anything about any of our ancestors beyond perhaps our grandparents? Unless I was famous or notorious or captured some historical amazing image(s) then who cares? Heck, most of us can't even recall newsworthy images from last year! So, if you want a shot at posterity, then make a few brilliant photo books. Maybe consider documenting your own family too - then 'self interest' might just motivate someone to consider preserving.
For sure many will see the above as a cynical outlook. But how much do you see preserved from 'ordinary folk'?
@rickymcc8624 wow. I'm sorry that you feel that way.
"Your life's work, gone"... yes, but don't kid yourself that film images will be treated any differently. I've got boxes and boxes of painstakingly handmade, archivally processed black-and-white prints that I can't bear to throw out because they represent such a big chunk of my past... but nobody else cares about them, and one of these years when I'm found dead on the floor of my shabby little apartment, the landlord is going to send over a couple of guys to clean the place out and they'll throw those boxes, along with all my other personal treasures, straight into the dumpster. Nobody's going to rediscover me after my death like Vivian Maier, and nobody cares about anybody else's photographs when millions more photographs come into existence every second. I know that sounds gloomy, but it's what's going to happen to 99.99% of photographers and their works regardless of what medium they use. At least if your photos are on a hard drive, there's a small chance that one of the junk men will tuck it in his pocket on a whim and take it home and maybe give your photos a last glance before he erases it...
@@jlwilliamsdon’t live for others.
Watched The Secret Life of Walter Mitty this weekend! Its both goofy and endearing and that quote is one I think of often when I choose if I want to capture a moment, or just exist with it.
Currently rolling with an OM-1, OM-2, X-700, and a few different point and shoots. SLRs for quality, P&S for the memories & vibes.
It's definitely a quote that has stuck with me for awhile.
I picked up my first camera back in 1980. Today (yes I’m old) I still have and use the AE1 Program. I never really gave up film and never really fully embraced digital. I still prefer film and do my own processing. For a few years it was getting difficult to find supples but now it is easier but getting more expensive
Hey, if the process works for you why change right?
Thanks for a intresting video. Cheers from Poland :)
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Lots more to come.
Love, love film photography!!! ❤
Yesssssss
I picked up film photography because I see it as something of an antidote to the ever growing difficulty in telling real from AI generated images. Not only is it real and tangible, it makes me feel more conscious about what I'm taking photos of and I really like that.
For sure. I think we're going to see a big rise in people going back to analog - simply for the fact that it's actually real.
Good coverage of the subject here sir. Nice production quality too. Your 1-3 points are probably true for many. There’s others too. For me it’s the workflow is easier ironically. I can shoot a subject in the morning, develop and dry and digitise the results and get the results to client later that day with little to no colour correction etc needed. Or I can send it to a lab and have them do it all. Either way the results are back in a few days. It’s also just how I’ve always done it and I’m a Luddite who doesn’t like changing how I do things 😅
I think one of my favorite parts about shooting film is not obsessing over the "color grade". I get it, people love messing with colors. But I also love the fact that I can pick up a roll of Ektar 100 and know what to expect when I develop. Thanks for watching!
In my case. I have never owned a film camera and I wanted to experiment with this medium. The images coming out the camera look sort of old (vintage…) but the proportions are pleasing compared to what you get from an iPhone. This is most noticeable when you try to take pictures of buildings in a city, the iPhone is just awful for proportions.
I haven't done a lot of city photography with my film camera, but there is something to that vintage look.
I love shooting film because the whole process is just so meditative to me, loading a roll of my choice into the camera, shooting it, developing it myself, and scanning it
Really makes me more thoughtful of what I am shooting, some of my favorite photos ive ever taken are on film
Definitely, being present in the process like that is super calming. I'm pretty sure my top 3 photos taken have been on film.
I shot on film from 1984 to 2007 (although I bought my first digital camera in 1997) and I will never return to it. I still have my old film cameras and I still buy some more, just for that feeling and for nostalgia. But I haven't put a roll of film in a camera in many years.
I will never trade the flexibility of digital for the rigidity of film. Back in the days of film, I used to carry four cameras: one with ISO 100 BW film, one with ISO 800 BW film, one with ISO 200 colour film and one with medium format film. Plus the corresponding lenses, flashes and accessories. Film cameras were heavy, especially the medium format cameras. Going for a photoshoot was a hassle. Not to mention how many filters I needed to have, as the light changed and I could not set the white balance otherwise.
Now, I can carry my normal full frame DSLR and my IR converted DSLR. Plus the lenses and accessories. And I have the peace of mind knowing I can cover any photographic situation.
I think nowadays, film photography is for the ones who did not experience it back in its glory years. It helps the photographers to better understand photography. Also, it helps with the creativity. Having limited frames, you really need to think twice and make sure that's what you want, before you press that release button.
As for me, the film photography taught me exactly that: not to be wasteful. To make absolutely sure I like what I see through the viewfinder, before I take the shot.
Even to this day, my auto image review is set to Off. And I almost never check my pictures on the camera screen, after I take them. Exceptions apply if I take pictures of people.
The limited frames is the big pull for me. I think limitation can sometimes bring out the best creativity. Also, I grew up only shooting digital, so there is something about shooting film that feels different to me, (and presumably other people in my generation as well.)
I grew up with film and used it for 30 years, printing my own work, and I worked as a technician for pro labs. Pro films were made to mimic reality as far as possible (color film that is). These were industry standards and they have us a starting point for digital capture. I think film has some unique attributes, including the physicality of an object, and the almost unknown result before development or printing.
A photo was always a print or a slide back then. Viewing online or on screens has changed that, and it's taken digital some time to start looking as good as film, but now it's taking its own direction and with new lens/mount design, new sensors and software, it's looking very good IMO. I miss the darkroom, the chemical smells, and above all the high skill levels that technicians printers and photographers had. Film can teach you a lot about photography, but digital is so much more convenient, and the means to manipulate images is marvelous. One can make unique creations with so many tools that is far superior to darkroom technologies. However we ought to display prints more, these are photographs really, and the older b&w technology is still superior on terms of viewing and reflectance imo, whilst color printing is much better with inkjet. Film still has some characteristics that stand out,mainly the colour separation and shadow detail, skin tones, but it's all dependent on film lens combos etc. We are still in early days of the art of photography, and digital brings much excitement and optimism to the future of the art form. Remember also alt process photography like Daguerreotype etc. These are all still beautiful processes of print making, and I believe print making is still the core of photography... drawing with light. Serious photography needs to separate itself from the Instagram/social media abyss and start displaying prints in galleries again, whatever they be, digital or chemical, or combinations. I recently invested into digital after using medium and large format for years. It's great, I really enjoy it, but I often look at film age prints to gauge tones, contrast, and color pallette, which, btw is not this washed out retro look that many young people think is film like. Try a properly exposed and properly developed 100 iso transparency: it's not washed out at all. I think that's is from seeing old, faded prints and believing that's what film is like.
Film still has benefits over film in some areas as evidenced by the film industry where film is still used a lot.
Horses for courses.
I hear you about the "washed out" look that is slowly being known as the film look. I think sometimes film has such a high dynamic range that people tend to boost shadows or lighten the blacks on digital, and it makes it look "film esque" because of that.
I grew up with Film, it was normal then, now it feels familiar despite having Digis.
Everyone shot on film when I was younger, so it definitely feels familiar now for me too.
!. physical feeling, 2. film look, 3. nostalgia. Check, check, and check. Also permanence. I've lost thousands of digital images in the cloud, etc. However I have shoe boxes full of negatives, positives (slides), and prints from 40-50 years ago.
Looking through my old negatives is always such a great experience. It's like reliving the memories all over again, but in a way digital can't quite capture.
Nicely put, and all true. When I look at a prospective shot with film, the world feels different. Slower, more patient. I think that’s healthy.
I agree, totally the right way to go about art
I have shot digital for around a year and a half for mostly planes and just random street pictures but recently I have gotten into film photography and don't get me wrong I still love shooting digital but theres a time and place, and film photography is a whole another world especially with all the different types of film and such but I quickly fell in love with it and the processes of shooting film and waiting a couple weeks to get the scans back from the lab and I like how tactile the cameras are and how it reintroduces you to the fundamentals of photography and all the reasons you said about why people are getting back into film photography are the reasons why film appeals to me and so many other people
I love the tactile feel as well. Something about holding a big chunk of metal in your hands is so satisfying.
@@keelanbourdon definitely
All I miss from the film era is mechanical cameras...feel, sound, manual focus. I never liked waiting for the film to be developed, and on one occasion, find out that whole role of film is overexposed, because my aperture jammed wide open.
Yep, there's definitely some downsides to film. I get why digital is used professionally now, but as a hobby, it's hard to beat.
Hello,
Film photographer here, but a slow one.
I really like your insights and your view about film photoghaphy. First video ans great editing. Subscribed.
Thanks for subscribing, lots more to come!
Thanks
Fine job.
Thanks for watching!
Digital is easy and close to perfection. Film is inperfect and shooting a analog camera a craft, scanning too. I use both. Digital for publishing, analog for personal projects. thanks for your video
Thanks for checking it out! Imperfection is closer to perfection than perfection in my books. If that makes sense lol.
I went back to film to help me slow down and think about the shot more, it’s also nostalgia.
I enjoy the whole process from clicking the shutter to developing the negative at home to see what I got..…. 👍
Yes, definitely. Slowing down is big when shooting film.
Digital to me is distance, I can go further and take more shots (especially on my bike), and I have no repercussions for messing up. But film is slowing it down, taking a break, and thinking about every shot and every roll and waiting to get it developed at the local photo shore down the road to see the results.
Totally, it's about slowing down and being in the moment.
For me, I shoot film because it encompasses a beautiful contradiction.
On the one hand, it helps remind me of what is real, in an increasingly unreal world.
On the other hand, it slightly distances the image from reality. When the cynical precision of digital is replaced with rays of light dancing on physical film, it helps me see the moment that has passed through a lens of introspection and personal resonance, and suddenly every picture matters so much more.
Love your thoughts on the matter. It helps remind me of what's real as well.
My enduring love of film mostly nostalgic, as you call it but I call it familiarity. I’m 63 and it’s what I know. I prefer to keep it simple while shooting. I can wait to see what’s any good later then if a shot stands out for me I’ll tweek it in post editing. But the real thing for me is I just think film cameras are cool to fiddle with. Just acquiring something new to me scratches my itch. I don’t even shoot that many pics! Yep I have gas!
I do agree, film cameras are very cool to fiddle with. Gotta love the tactile feel of them.
Love the vid. Hope you picked up that film canister lid you flicked off. lol.
Yep I picked it up, (I popped it off like that for dramatic effect lol.) Glad you enjoyed the vid!
I was doing everything i could to help keep analog alive during the dark years in the 00’s, when in my country, film died completely.
When everybody abandoned film, in stubborness i went all in instead, learning every technique and formula i could.
A lot of people saw me as some backwards wierdo for using film but i didnt care
It's very rewarding to see film coming alive again, being able to pass on the knowledge i accumulated, teaching the next generation.
I bet you learned a lot in those years eh. Ever thought about making some RUclips videos to share your knowledge?
@keelanbourdon Yeah I thought about it a lot, but I'm not much of a youtuber production wise 😉 And I struggle to chose which topics to upload about as there are so many.
I do however give free physical classes on darkroom technique, large format and film photography in general, trying to keep film alive with the next generation.
I love shooting film. I started that way a very long time ago. I love the cameras and their basic simplicity. HOWEVER, I also shoot a lot of digital, and I never shoot "thousands of pictures and choose one or two". I shoot about as many frames with digital as I did with film; maybe a few more because I can afford more "record shots".
Sounds like starting out with film created good photography habits.
Every time I consider trying my 35mm film camera again, I stop thinking about it for one reason. Here in Canada it would cost me over $2.50 for each 4 X 6 print. That's counting the cost of the film and developing and printing. I just got back an order of digital prints from Walmart at a cost of $0.10 per print. Sorry but I will never go back to film again even though I like the look of film prints. The cost is simply outrageous.
As expensive as it is, I think it's worth it if you're intentional with your film shooting. I'm in Canada as well, so I know where you're coming from. I think just trying to make each shot count when using a 35mm is what makes it worth it to me. But yes, it is definitely expensive.
For me, film photography means that I have to deal more consciously with my surroundings, that I create the image composition in my head that I then want to capture when I release the shutter, that I can consciously and unconsciously perceive details, moments and situations without blindly passing them by. Of course, this makes photography slower than digital, but you're more likely to have an eye for something special instead of shooting in continuous fire, as is unfortunately mostly the case with digital photography. This is not nostalgia, but much more, namely what photography really means, quite apart from nostalgic feelings that others might still ridicule. This also improves and sharpens your own photographic skills.
Of course, this does not mean that digital photography is worth less, quite the opposite. However, you should use both to improve your photography in general and to really know what you are actually doing.
I find I just shoot completely different with a film camera. Digital to me always feels like I'm "on the job", where with film, I feel like I can take as long as I want to find the the right moment to press the shutter.
It would be interesting to see you revisit this topic after, say, a year, and see if you are still as interested in film photography as you are now. I'm one of those old people who started doing film photography back in the era when film was the only way to do photography (did my own darkroom work as well), and I still make film photos occasionally when I want a "nostalgic" look, or want to use an old camera that I like, or just have some time on my hands. But when I look honestly at my film photos vs. photos I've made with a digital camera, the film photos are just shockingly bad. That's partly because of the limitations of films, but mostly because of the "generational loss" the image goes through when it gets converted to a digital file so it can be posted on social media or made into a RUclips video -- which is 100% necessary, because for most of today's creators the whole point is to let everyone know that they are film photographers and say "look how special I am." I'm pretty sure we're at most 12 to 24 months away from a time when anyone who walks into a curated-craft-beer bar and announces him/herself as a film photographer will collect nothing but amused smirks from his/her fellow 20somethings, and then somebody will say, "Oh, I remember when I used to do that," and everyone will chuckle sardonically...
I've been shooting film for over 5 years now, and I feel like I've picked up a life long hobby. I've seen it go from basically no one my age shooting film, to all of the sudden this explosion in popularity where it seems like everyone in my age group is shooting on it. The core reason I started shooting film is because I was getting burnt out working as a professional videographer/photographer. I was losing my passion for the art, and I needed something else to reignite my creativity. Film did that for me. While I think you're right that this is a trend that will probably fade out as all trends do, I'll be sticking with it. I love what film brings for me creatively, and I could care less what the trends are surrounding it lol. The price increases with film have been quite annoying, but I'm also glad so many people have been taking an interest in photography like this. It's really cool to see people think more about the photos and moments their capturing, rather than just taking a thousand photos on their phones and not really paying attention to what they're shooting. I'd more than glad to re-visit the topic in 2 years time and see how the landscape is for film photographers. I think it'd be very interesting.
I like the permanence of film. You’re not reliant on computers and hard drives. I’m getting back into film and feel really lucky that I didn’t sell my darkroom setup. So as long as I can get the film, chemistry and paper I can make photos.
Would love to get more into dark room developing with an enlarger. I heard it's like magic seeing your photography come to life on photo paper.
@@keelanbourdon there’s nothing else like it
Great video. We love film.
Thank you! I love it as well
My first camera was an SLR when I was 13 in 1958.
I couldn't afford film for it so I just explored how things looked through the viewfinder.
I learned so much.
The SLR ( and DSLR) is wonderful because what you see is what you get ..WYSIWYG
I have never understood the rangefinder love. Leica ?
People definitely love their Leica rangefinders
With rangefinders you see past what your camera can capture, so framing is easier, also, rangefinders are smaller, more compact and easier to carry around, and that turns out to be the deciding factor when choosing the camera to take with me somewhere
I use a Ricoh GR digital camera from 2005 now. So pocketable, and NO viewfinder.I love the results
I had a Leica M3 back in the 70’s. Preferred my Nikkormat FTn. However the sharpness of the rangefinder was stunning. Why? Design. The rear lens element is much closer to the film plane than with an SLR so the image is sharper. Scan a quality rangefinder camera image for optimum results. Also buy your film in 100 foot rolls to cut cost. Simple to load your own film
To clarify to everyone looking to get into this, film cameras unless you are looking for rare cameras or something really high end, getting a film camera that produces beautiful pictures is nowhere near as expensive, your film photography dreams could only ve $40 away on ebay
This. As much as it seems like you need some crazy expensive Leica to take photos - you don't. You can take some great photos on a disposable film camera if you just wanted to try getting the film experience. Cheap 35mm cameras can be found on Facebook marketplace and it isn't too hard to find one in decent quality if you're patient.
Pick up not just 1, or 2 but 3 film cameras this year!! And I’m loving this new hobby
More the merrier, glad you're enjoying film!
I like your 3 points for doing photography with film camera. I am an original 35mm photographer from 1985 to 2010 and now back at it. Even though, I have several mirrorless cameras, I still feel lot more comfortable with my film cameras for composing my shots. You needed to take in consideration the limited amount photos you can shoot base on the amount of roll of film you would bring with you, your ISO is fix by the type of film you insert in the camera, and understand the lighting base on your film ISO. So, for me, it was always a good challenge and looking forward for the end result when developing your film. P.S. I still got my original film cameras and all their lenses in perfect working condition.
Glad to hear you kept all your cameras and lenses! I'm sure some people regret getting rid of them when digital took over the market.
I used film from 1960 to 2005. I haven't used a roll since. But right now, I'm digitizing 50+ year old negatives from my rather extensive high school yearbook work, preparing a digital video slide show for my 50th high school reunion (something I anticipated 50 years ago!). I truly wish we had used digital cameras back in 1969 to 1973! It would have made my job SO much easier. Film is an annoying medium. I spent my working life with three large professional photography companies. I ran production departments in both a film lab and a digital lab. Digital is far more important. It has democratized photography, because everyone who has a digital camera or smartphone can present to everyone else in minutes! Try that with film. You can do it, but the time and expense involved are impractical.
I think for most people, it's the process > the practicality of it. If someone is shooting for convivence, they'd probably shoot on their phone or a DSLR
If it wasn’t for the expense and inconvenience, I would never shoot film.
The fact you can digitize those negatives 50 years on is actually one of the strengths of film. Archival of digital media is a massive hassle. File formats change, hard disks fail, storage media becomes obsolete and data gets corrupted.
Digital is important and useful and if I want to take a silly picture and share it, I'll 100% do it on my phone camera, but the medium has a nonzero impact on how the work is consumed. If I see a scene that I want to make permanent, my film camera manages to do that better, regardless of the hassle, or maybe even because of the hassle.
The imperfect perfection or perfect imperfection which makes film photography special for me…
Nothing is perfect, and that's what makes it special.
Yes I enjoyed shooting film for 20+ years and it certainly taught me to get it right in camera. But after shooting digitally, for almost 20 years, I could never really go back. Multiple reasons, cost, convenience, greater control, sheer immediacy to name but a few. I still have two old Nikon cameras an F3 and a F5 with a couple of manual focus lenses. They feel neat in the hand and I can imagine shooting with them occasionally, for nostalgia. But full time reversion from digital? No way - even if my current outstanding Sony kit lacks the same emotional connection I had with Nikon and Kodachrome or Velvia.
Shooting film is definitely a very different process when compared to digital. For my generation (gen z), we grew up knowing digital photography, so there is a novelty to shooting film that we haven't got the chance to experience yet.
Been shooting film for 30 years and never made the switch. It’s the process. You have to think about every shot.
Totally, every shot is worth more with film.
👍Excellent video, greetings from NEW ZEALAND.
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Thanks so much! More videos to come
Film for me is nostalgic and a satisfying way to escape the drudgery of studying and aquainting myself with yet another digital device.
If you don't spend enough time at a keyboard and want to spend more, then editing your RAW files is a sure way to achieve that goal.
Results straight out of a digital camera cannot match that of film, especially slide film.
There's a reason so many people are trying to emulate film with filters. If someone wants it to look like film, I think they'd get the best results by using the real thing.