Thanks everyone for checking out the video! Firstly Jonah is an amazing talent! This was the first take, everything is live! The preferences are completely unedited! Please download them and mix them! Feel free to post them and please mention us and Jonah where you can! I really appreciate all of the positive comments! It's wonderful to be able to work such amazingly talented people as Blair, Jon and of course Jonah!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Produce Like A Pro thanks for the reply and I have the audix dp7 in my studio and use a pair of lewitt lct 440 pure as my room mics with a sm57 on the wall for my squash track
I'm a drummer in Nicaragua starting my home studio and I was kinda depressed because I can't afford great gear but this video inspired me, I recently bought Shrure's PGA Studio 4 and a SM57, now I know I own 4 "inexpensive but great mics" thank you Warren for taking time to make this video, we are thousands around the whole world struggling to make great music and your working is helping us all. God Bless Produce Like a Pro and Warren Huart.
5:00 Good to know the Sunset wifi password, now I can use it whenever I'm in the area haha! All jokes aside, this is a brilliant video! Fantastic information and wonderful musicianship.
This is amazing. I can't get over the content on this Channel, Thank you Warren I'll be watching this a few times for sure. Jonah Smith has such a powerful yet smooth tone.
Wow In The Mix, you are truly ever so kind my friend! I love what you do! We are blessed to be able to help people! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
It's a bit chicken-and-egg I think. On the one hand, if you don't know what you're doing then you can make even great gear sound awful. On the other, if the gear starts off sounding better then it'll be more forgiving of less ability.
@@CLaw-tb5gg For sure, but I think it also applies for the learning itself. I didn't know the difference between preamps until I heard a really good one. Same goes for microphones. Also I had to see my room measured first to hear where the buildups occur (below 100 Hz). I think it's a back and forth thing.
@@seenbelow I've only got sound samples on the Internet to go on, but whenever I've listened to microphone or preamp shootouts, the really expensive revered ones always sound a bit meh to me. I've listened to so many comparisons between, I dunno, a vintage U47 and a £500 mic and often I prefer the cheaper one. However, I don't claim to have golden ears or anything, and perhaps I'm just not hearing what others are.
This is great, Warren. I teach various studio disciplines, and I'm currently teaching mainly beginner students to engineer at Point Blank in London. I'm going to be sharing this video with all my students, because I feel it backs up my take on how far expensive gear will get you - particularly when you're starting out. I usually tell my students what I think are the most important elements to getting a great recording : 1. Song 2. Players and arrangement 3. Instruments 4. Recording environment (i.e. just the space you're recording in - whether or not it's a traditional "studio") 5. Sympathetic engineer who knows how to *LISTEN* (so many people forget this) 6. Gear I've heard and made records that sound amazing, which have been made on a shoestring. Similarly, I've worked on sessions in huge commercial studios with amazing gear, and ended up with lacklustre results because of any number of factors. Sometimes my students are so caught up with having the best monitors, interface, mics, plugins... and forget to actually MAKE SOME MUSIC. Thanks again, Warren.
Right?! I just bought a U67 and, wow, a $99 mic can do this?? The singer has a fantastic voice, but also I think Warren gets some credit for incredible production quality. Well done.
Hi Ken, thanks for letting us know your thoughts! I agree, amazing what we can do now with affordable equipment! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Absolutely nothing!! How much should I charged them if you think it directly helped them? Haha I felt like everyone else that this showed us all that performance is key!
Produce Like A Pro Shure should send you a massive check for this one no doubt about it. Having extremely expensive gear is nice but unless you are a "money is no object" type person its hard to say that there is (for the sake of the title) $98300 difference in sound quality between those mics. Just goes to show that the room and the performers are exceedingly more important than the price of the microphones.
ts all about the genre. Ive heard hard rock drummers record with cheap mics in great studios and it sounds just dirty and clunky because the mics cant handle the dynamics higher end mics can when pushed in a more demanding setting. For a clean metal/ prog sound, these cheap mics wouldn’t hold up to the mix or sound signal. The drum kit here is meant for a dirty indie classic rock sound, its already compressed and dead naturally. But with resonant drums, cheap mics have a nasty distortion to them.
Thanks Dan the Man!! Glad to be able to do this video!! Please watch this video and enter the giveaway here:- ruclips.net/video/Y5WPSW9j7jc/видео.html Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Not only was this an incredibly informative video, but to hear that voice at the end put this video over the top. Thank you for making these amazing videos, I'm constantly learning so so much!
This is one of the greatest vids you've done. I've recorded drums with a kit worth less than £1000 and I've been real impressed with the results - it's not about what you have, it's about how you use it. Side note: I keep hitting Ctrl+= when watching your videos to have a look at the mixer view ...
This was the first long video on youtube I've watched in total, without skipping parts, cause it was so interesting. Thanks! you helped me a lot with recording my drums!
I think I'm most impressed by how good the vocal sounds on the 58! They really do sound good through a nice pre amp. And of course He just SLAYED the performance!
Thanks Bodie, I'm really glad you enjoyed the video! Please watch this video and enter the giveaway here:- ruclips.net/video/Y5WPSW9j7jc/видео.html Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Between used dynamic mics and Russian/Chinese condensers there's plenty of budget options to get great quality recordings. Some cheap copies of common mics also sound great. Mic quality is often not *the* determining factor anyway. It's room sound, mic placement; signal chain and editing knowledge (and audio source, ha ha). Unless you have absolute garbage to work with, those factors are way more important. A $5000 mic will not give you good sound in a crappy room, ever. A $50 mic, however, will give you good sound in a good room.
Wicked amazing tour! Much appreciated of you for sharing the multitracks, it'll be nice to listen to them in person rather than through a compressed RUclips video.
That's very inspiring! On our last album I only miced the top snare (SM57) and overheads for for the cymbals and snare (AT2120) and used Slate Drums 4 for the toms and kick. Next album I wanted to mic the toms as well and was worried that I needed to shell money on at least 4 MD421. That inspires me to try with cheaper options like those or Sennheiser E603s or AT230s.
Thank you for the great comment! I really appreciate your acing insight krokmitenband! The AT's are wonderful mics!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wow...what a video...I learned so much, hearing for myself, in an area so full of myths and "salesmans arguments". So true that, still caring about some favorite gear, the main importance is room, vibe, musicians and good artist and songs! And what a beautiful recording and song you did in this session, thank all of you so much!!
The thing is the 8prex is not a typical focus rite its one of their best interfaces... Its a shame they discontinued it. But it the time only macs were supported then Mac screwed focusrite by constantly updating their software making the unit unusable. A real shame
This was a wonderful video. I have been an engineer here in Memphis,TN for 25 yrs and everything that you showed and proposed, I have seen and agree with. Thanks for taking your precious time to enlighten so many!!
The results are really reveling, your Chanel is just the best warren, I appreciate the time and work you put in your videos, your experience and the quality of your content! 😁
I am so glad I came across your channel. I record at home and have a lot of fun with it. I have the Shure Drumkit 7 and thanks to you I am getting better Ideas on mic placements. Also using the Tascam Dp-24 sd as a Daw. Nothing pro but a great time learning. Thanks again for all your time in these Tutorials. Cheers....
wow! amazing video.. you are mad thorough! great information and... the song at the end was a rare treat.. wonderful singer..great players....really enjoyed that.... salutations! x
Thank you Graham my friend! Glad you enjoyed the song! One take, the first one! By the way our video will be up vey soon! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wow!!!!! This is amazing! I'm planning on starting a home studio and this is exactly what I needed. Thank you so much for everything you and your crew do.
It's not a real studio unless you've an SM58 with a dented capsule grill! Love they go through all the creme de la creme for the drum mics then throw a $100 mic on the vocalist. Great stuff!
i was floored by that as well. I thought tube mics really were meant for vocals first before anything else. they have tube mics on Over heads, bloody hell.
@@ruthlesscutthroat4030 a dynamic mic works well in this application so that it doesnt pick up the piano. so no large condenser or tube mic works -cheap or spendy- w live vocals, and then cranking the gain and eq with good preamps or plug ins but i think mostly his voice is really super!
One of the best channels out there. Thanks Warren for all of these amazing videos, I hope you have a marvelous time making them cause we sure do watching them!
Wow thank you ever so much Ihtis Music! I really appreciate your kind words!! Yes, I really do enjoy making these videos! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Thanks very much Jon that means a lot! Please share and please enter the competition to win the Focusrite and Shure mics! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
What a great video. There is nothing out there as honest as this. Now if I only had that room! The Slate room samples will do just fine for now haha. Thanks Warren.
Thanks ever so much Chris! I agree, the room is such a huge part of the drum sound!! Slate does great things! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Hi! I would like to leave a small comment over here. I'm from Argentina, and in a couple of months i will be going to work as an Audio Technician in an awesome theater in the USA. I came into your video looking for practice about technical terms and ways of speaking, and I can totally say i leave with a smile, knowing that there's people like you working in the world. I absolutly love your simple, yet specific ways of miking, recording and mixing, and i'm really thankfull for you to sharing this with all of us. That's all, thanks man. I'm really happy right now, and it's because of you.
Fricken great video and comparisons!!!! Been looking at drum mic packages already so this is great! Even thinking of upgrading my focusrite pro 40... the 8 pre X looks like a good upgrade ;)
Eric I bought an amazing pack for an amazing deal on Amazon, it was the lewitt drum mic pack. The over heads alone lct 340s cost more by themselves than I got the whole pack for not to mention it comes with a Rex 640 dual element kick mic, three tom mics and a snare mic with a wicked case that could survive an earth quake. The whole package went for 1200 on Amazon. They are much better overall than my audix mic pack I had. I got it a while ago but I highly recommend seeing if it's still availiable at that price on Amazon. If not for the audix drum mic pack also is a nice but for just a few bucks more the lewitts were unbeatable. Good luck with whatever you get.
Hi Warren you keep telling these three factors for a good sound: tuning, room, and the player. But your experience as sound engineer takes a huuuge chunk there. Your instinct in mic placement, gain staging, Eq and compression undoubtedly makes it for you possible to produce such a great sound from a cheap set. Thank you for the insight and inspiration!
I agree man! I'm an audio student, and I've worked with some incredible engineers through my internship. If you have a great player and an ok engineer, the sound is only as good as the engineer. When I hear stuff I've recorded vs. stuff my boss has recorded, I'm reminded of how much I have to learn!
What an awesome live performance. This is so exciting to notice every little detail each of them put into the song while playing... Thank you for the great video, Warren. I have an access to a pair of cheap PG81's (from the same kit), and I use them even for recording guitar. I like to point a SM57 into the cone and put a PG81 under 45 degrees. They are working together pretty well!
It was interesting with Prince living in the session room. Forgetting about all the world and its distractions, temporarily live only in his mindset & emotions. Al Pacino says desire can sometimes beat talent, what say ye? Imagine an ambitious little prick wanting it more than anyone else. I know Celine Dion was crazy good from the start and also ambitious. Her mother was ambitious too and wrote Celine's first hit. So cool, home made song by a home-maker. I remember hearing the Titanic theme the first time on radio. I thought No way anyone can sing that good and beautiful.. it's a trick and edited. The song isn't that high but sounds majestic.
I agree! It is amazing to think Prince lived and worked in the studio creating those amazing albums!!! Thanks for insight on Celine Dion! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I don't think it sounds as close as you're saying. The more expensive kit sounds way less harsh (specially on the hihat) and with a bit more lows and low minds. It sounds like it would be way easier to mix. The cheaper kit sounds good for what it is, but if I were to mix those drums I would have nightmares figuring out ways to give presence and definition to the cymbals while cutting the harshness out. Still completely possible to make a great mix! But harder! On the flip side, I do like the fact that room still maintained a lot of its character despite the difference in setups, and I actually liked the cheaper tom mics better than the 421's.
Hi Andre, absolutely! They are definitely different, I did love the rooms in particular and as many people are pointing out the toms could easily be better! When I was listening back I actually confused the tom mics! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I agree it would be more difficult, and the brass in particular, but nowhere near impossible. I don't know about you, but I'm going to download the tracks and see what I can do.
I have really basic question i want to record from the mics to a snake to a mixer and then to my PC, but where im going to place the preamp specially if i have condensed mics and i need phantom power, can it be mic > snake > preamp > mixer > AI?
Чикунов Максим thanks bro im pretty new to this, i was worry that the preamp wont be feeding enough power since the mics are plugged in from a great distance... another question, should i record with EQ and compression and preamps right from the beggining or should i record as is and editing later?
L'Quik Suárez it's all about your taste. If you have an EQ you like or such compressor, don't put it away, use it. But if you have some doubt about using some outboard gear, don't use it. You always can apply effects in the box. One thing should be noted - if you record with overEQ or overCompressing, you have no chance to fix it after. Have a great time recording!
Hi L'Quik Suárez, it sounds like the way you are setting up is correct! If you are concerned about level etc going into a pre amp that is an interesting point. On pre amps like Neve etc we like to drive them almost into distortion, but with most on board Pre Amps that are in Interfaces I would print clean and use plug ins for drive etc. I hope that helps? Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Thank you for being so honest and kind enough to help people. You are rare. I put in many years of being a live singer/guitarist/song writer and had to put in work on other peoples projects in exchange for some of my songs to be recorded. I was never happy with the half ass recordings and about 6 years ago decided to take matters into my own hands an learn recording. I have learned many things from you and can produce my own stuff now using old protools 6.7 and a couple cheap mics. I have 1/10th of the gear as a small studio and get great results doing all the singing/ playing and recording by myself. I work endless hours doing this and don't know why but I can't stop. If you would ever be interested in hearing something just say the word and I can put up a link. Worst case you will get a good laugh.
absolutely amazing! We need more of these "pro" vs "semi-pro" gear shootouts. Most of us will never have a chance to even use mics like those for drums but now we have a professional shootout vid to compare
A lot of people buy certain mics for their distinct characteristics but when it comes down to it in a full song you won't be able to hear much of the difference. Just goes to show 99.99% of a recording is the engineer, room, and the players.
Beautiful video! Thanks for inspiring us forward in this recording business in the hopes that it CAN be done at a minimal cost but with talent, hard work and also trial and error. Thanks again.
@@jonahsmithmusic Hi, I know this is an older video but I see Jonah himself was here - Can you please tell me the name of the song and the writer if not yourself? Can I use this in my mix portfolio, and what credits do I need to give? Thank you for a wonderful video and song, keep coming back to this one!
@@Producelikeapro Hi, I know this is an older video but can you please tell me the name of the song and the writer? Can I use this in my mix portfolio, and what credits do I need to give? Thank you for a wonderful video and song, keep coming back to this one!
And then there was mumble rap.. From Garbage mics, to 100% torrented software on 300$ laptops, to tons effects to hide sloppy recordings, it sweeps the nation and somehow competes for grammys alongside what's produced in studios like this.
This is an amazing video. Exciting to see the mics compared side by side like that. Especially how he goes through each mic, the placement, and works through the inputs and mix without wasting a lot of time talking about nonsense. Really lean but informative video. Cheers!
I downloaded the multitracks a while ago and made my own version in terms of mixing. I am not by any means experienced in mixing and my version is way more pronounced in the lower end, bit what I can say is, this was a very easy session to mix. Everything just came together nicely.
I´m seeing this in quarantine 2020. Thank you Warren for such an important and quality information, I think who shares make the world a better place. Love from Brazil.
Great test, great video. Thank you very much for your work. I love the sound of the final song and whole composition. They are fantastic musicians and Jonah is fantastic composer too. Thank you guys!
You have to try to go even cheaper with the room mics and use a dynamic one (like a sm58) instead of large diaphragm condensers (the c-414's position is ideal). In a rehearsal studio that i work, we give the artist a rough multitrack mix of the session in the end and once i had 1 vocalist but the second mic was already at the room, i cracked up the gain and compress it and i was amazed and i use it every time since then.The 58 has less low end and less high end definition and reacts differently to transients than a good condenser, which is good for an overcompressed meaty mid focused with not so much cymbals or and low end phase issues sound, also using the polar pattern you can shape the sound, overrall it gives you the eq and compression to begin by it's nature so i find it more useful and you can push it more in the mix
That was an awesome video! Ive been doing live sound for around 7 years and a few months ago put the Shure PGA set on our main kit. After watching this video, I completely agree that its about the player (and room in a studio). I multitrack right off our X32 and mix it in my own beginners studio setup at home and they truly are totally worth it. The only thing we have different is we have the PGA57 on the bottom of the snare and an SM57 on top. Subscribed!
I would love to hear a song with both drum setups. As in, hearing how the drums set in the mix, with both setups. What I am noticing is just different frequencies being more pushed, almost like you could play with the focusrite setup and get it to sound almost exact to the more expensive option. I am so glad I watched this video. I did a few electrical projects for a follow in Saratoga Springs who had the most amazing studio I have ever seen. At the time he still had a two inch tape deck in a corner of the control room. He was getting special preamps built in England and when he was explaining everything to me, I was like overwhelmed. The last job I did several years ago, he was removing this massive console like what you are using here and replacing it with whatever pro tools rig was replacing the analog consoles. He was working on film stuff if I remember. I can remember his last name. His name was John on Lake Avenue. His studio was in the upstairs of one of the historic homes in the city. His drum room was a round room with a 25' ceiling. I think they called it a turret. The home is massive with ornate woodwork throughout. He told me to learn pro tools, so I started learning until life got in the way. Now I'm setting up my second studio and I have a focusrite Scarlet 18i20 that I've had for over a month and didn't even take it out of the shipping box. I also ordered a beta 52 for the kick drum. I have a few sm57s I will use and a cheap drum mike package. I am hoping to write some amazing songs. Gotta get going so, thank you and TTL!
Thanks everyone for checking out the video! Firstly Jonah is an amazing talent! This was the first take, everything is live! The preferences are completely unedited! Please download them and mix them! Feel free to post them and please mention us and Jonah where you can! I really appreciate all of the positive comments! It's wonderful to be able to work such amazingly talented people as Blair, Jon and of course Jonah!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Hi! Should you blur the WiFi password from the video? :)
Haha I'm not sure why? You'd have to be in their building t be able to use it! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
would you recommend the Shure PGA drum kit 7 or would you say save and get audix or lewitt
@@DMHProductionsStudio I love the Shure! For the money it's amazing! I personally use the Lewitt in my studio!
Produce Like A Pro thanks for the reply and I have the audix dp7 in my studio and use a pair of lewitt lct 440 pure as my room mics with a sm57 on the wall for my squash track
I'm a drummer in Nicaragua starting my home studio and I was kinda depressed because I can't afford great gear but this video inspired me, I recently bought Shrure's PGA Studio 4 and a SM57, now I know I own 4 "inexpensive but great mics" thank you Warren for taking time to make this video, we are thousands around the whole world struggling to make great music and your working is helping us all. God Bless Produce Like a Pro and Warren Huart.
5:00 Good to know the Sunset wifi password, now I can use it whenever I'm in the area haha! All jokes aside, this is a brilliant video! Fantastic information and wonderful musicianship.
Haha funny Sam! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
may i use it if i'm in eastern europe?
Hmm...might be a little far away! Ha have a marvellous tim recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
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This is amazing. I can't get over the content on this Channel, Thank you Warren I'll be watching this a few times for sure. Jonah Smith has such a powerful yet smooth tone.
This Is my favourite video ever! And I've seen a few ;-)
Wow In The Mix, you are truly ever so kind my friend! I love what you do! We are blessed to be able to help people! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Thank you! Glad you checked it out. It was a fun day!
Thanks Samuel. Glad to hear it.
Download the multi tracks and compare the drums mics, well worth it.
Best investment is knowledge. Only then it makes sense to invest in expensive gear.
Agreed 100% my friend!!
It's a bit chicken-and-egg I think. On the one hand, if you don't know what you're doing then you can make even great gear sound awful. On the other, if the gear starts off sounding better then it'll be more forgiving of less ability.
@@CLaw-tb5gg For sure, but I think it also applies for the learning itself. I didn't know the difference between preamps until I heard a really good one. Same goes for microphones. Also I had to see my room measured first to hear where the buildups occur (below 100 Hz). I think it's a back and forth thing.
@@seenbelow I've only got sound samples on the Internet to go on, but whenever I've listened to microphone or preamp shootouts, the really expensive revered ones always sound a bit meh to me. I've listened to so many comparisons between, I dunno, a vintage U47 and a £500 mic and often I prefer the cheaper one. However, I don't claim to have golden ears or anything, and perhaps I'm just not hearing what others are.
@@chrischoir3594 Are we splitting hairs here?
2:23 It's always lit with Warren Huart
Aw shucks that's extremely kind of you!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
This is great, Warren. I teach various studio disciplines, and I'm currently teaching mainly beginner students to engineer at Point Blank in London. I'm going to be sharing this video with all my students, because I feel it backs up my take on how far expensive gear will get you - particularly when you're starting out. I usually tell my students what I think are the most important elements to getting a great recording :
1. Song
2. Players and arrangement
3. Instruments
4. Recording environment (i.e. just the space you're recording in - whether or not it's a traditional "studio")
5. Sympathetic engineer who knows how to *LISTEN* (so many people forget this)
6. Gear
I've heard and made records that sound amazing, which have been made on a shoestring. Similarly, I've worked on sessions in huge commercial studios with amazing gear, and ended up with lacklustre results because of any number of factors. Sometimes my students are so caught up with having the best monitors, interface, mics, plugins... and forget to actually MAKE SOME MUSIC.
Thanks again, Warren.
And here I am, adding 4 stock EQ plugins to a free hi hat loop i found on splice
One of things that REALLY stuck out to me was how amazing the vocal's sound, no $10k microphone there, just the trusty ole 58, wow that's amazing.
10k voice though
Right?! I just bought a U67 and, wow, a $99 mic can do this?? The singer has a fantastic voice, but also I think Warren gets some credit for incredible production quality. Well done.
in professional recording the thing that has to be just good enough is the gear, performance tho must be stellar or you have nothing.
Those drum mics sound impressive but I'm more impressed by the vocal sound you got from that 58!
I am still consistently amazed by the sound that an SM58 can pick up. Heard one on a cello and I would have sworn it was a tube condenser.
Word!
@@jasonstarling It probably got enhanced a bit by the bleed from the expensive piano mics as well.
I absolutely loved this, amazing content! How did I just find this now?
ItsAMoney thanks ever so much my friend!!
Final drum mic comparison:
26:14 Neumann U87s
26:33 Shure PGA181Kit
full mics are
35:00 Neumann
35:07 shure
Brilliant! You can hear the difference but not the dollars!
Hi Ken, thanks for letting us know your thoughts! I agree, amazing what we can do now with affordable equipment! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Absolutely nothing!! How much should I charged them if you think it directly helped them? Haha I felt like everyone else that this showed us all that performance is key!
Produce Like A Pro Shure should send you a massive check for this one no doubt about it. Having extremely expensive gear is nice but unless you are a "money is no object" type person its hard to say that there is (for the sake of the title) $98300 difference in sound quality between those mics. Just goes to show that the room and the performers are exceedingly more important than the price of the microphones.
ts all about the genre. Ive heard hard rock drummers record with cheap mics in great studios and it sounds just dirty and clunky because the mics cant handle the dynamics higher end mics can when pushed in a more demanding setting. For a clean metal/ prog sound, these cheap mics wouldn’t hold up to the mix or sound signal. The drum kit here is meant for a dirty indie classic rock sound, its already compressed and dead naturally. But with resonant drums, cheap mics have a nasty distortion to them.
Because the money is the room
This is priceless. Thank you Warren for a professional and entertaining video!
Thanks Dan the Man!! Glad to be able to do this video!! Please watch this video and enter the giveaway here:- ruclips.net/video/Y5WPSW9j7jc/видео.html Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
There's just so much to learn every day. I appreciate all the detail you shared. What a great vocal delivery, and I love that bass tone!
Not only was this an incredibly informative video, but to hear that voice at the end put this video over the top. Thank you for making these amazing videos, I'm constantly learning so so much!
This is one of the greatest vids you've done. I've recorded drums with a kit worth less than £1000 and I've been real impressed with the results - it's not about what you have, it's about how you use it.
Side note: I keep hitting Ctrl+= when watching your videos to have a look at the mixer view ...
That is my FAVE video that you have done .. I've seen them all. Loved it
Thanks KPM!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
This was the first long video on youtube I've watched in total, without skipping parts, cause it was so interesting. Thanks! you helped me a lot with recording my drums!
The demonstrations in this video were awesome, great walk through. But, the end was the icing on a truly sweet cake. What a great song. That voice...
Loved this one so much Warren, thanks a lot! What a load of talent in that room and, as expected, amazing result.
Thanks Simon! You Rock! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I think I'm most impressed by how good the vocal sounds on the 58! They really do sound good through a nice pre amp. And of course He just SLAYED the performance!
Great stuff as usual. I loved watching everyone grooving while listening to the tune in the control room!
Fantastic video. And song! Thanks so much for the tour, and set-up. Cheers!
Hey Warren I absolutely love comparison videos like this, please please do more. Amazing video!!!
Thanks Bodie, I'm really glad you enjoyed the video! Please watch this video and enter the giveaway here:- ruclips.net/video/Y5WPSW9j7jc/видео.html Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
When you can’t afford the affordable option.
Between used dynamic mics and Russian/Chinese condensers there's plenty of budget options to get great quality recordings. Some cheap copies of common mics also sound great.
Mic quality is often not *the* determining factor anyway. It's room sound, mic placement; signal chain and editing knowledge (and audio source, ha ha). Unless you have absolute garbage to work with, those factors are way more important. A $5000 mic will not give you good sound in a crappy room, ever. A $50 mic, however, will give you good sound in a good room.
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Absolutely! We know it's definitely about the song, the performer and the performance!!
Look into iSK mics they make some amazing sounding mics for very, very little money. A used OctoPre or similar bit of kit is also pretty cheap
My Account don't forget the performance.
I cannot believe i've only just found this channel. LOVE IT. THank you for taking the time and just educate us.
Wow! Thanks ever so much DanLiveOnUTube!
Wicked amazing tour! Much appreciated of you for sharing the multitracks, it'll be nice to listen to them in person rather than through a compressed RUclips video.
Thanks ever so much!
That's very inspiring! On our last album I only miced the top snare (SM57) and overheads for for the cymbals and snare (AT2120) and used Slate Drums 4 for the toms and kick. Next album I wanted to mic the toms as well and was worried that I needed to shell money on at least 4 MD421. That inspires me to try with cheaper options like those or Sennheiser E603s or AT230s.
Thank you for the great comment! I really appreciate your acing insight krokmitenband! The AT's are wonderful mics!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wow...what a video...I learned so much, hearing for myself, in an area so full of myths and "salesmans arguments". So true that, still caring about some favorite gear, the main importance is room, vibe, musicians and good artist and songs! And what a beautiful recording and song you did in this session, thank all of you so much!!
The thing is the 8prex is not a typical focus rite its one of their best interfaces... Its a shame they discontinued it. But it the time only macs were supported then Mac screwed focusrite by constantly updating their software making the unit unusable. A real shame
This was a wonderful video. I have been an engineer here in Memphis,TN for 25 yrs and everything that you showed and proposed, I have seen and agree with. Thanks for taking your precious time to enlighten so many!!
Thanks ever so much Charles! I really appreciate it!
My God that voice is smooth as silk! What a great finish to an insightful video...Thanks!
Great song, great performance and great sonics! Great job, Warren, and everyone else involved.
Thanks ever so much Roy!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
The results are really reveling, your Chanel is just the best warren, I appreciate the time and work you put in your videos, your experience and the quality of your content! 😁
Thanks ever so much Chris! I really appreciate your great comment!
Amazing video! I love how you’re so passionate about the music and musicianship as well as the acoustics and the tech. Awesome!
I am so glad I came across your channel. I record at home and have a lot of fun with it. I have the Shure Drumkit 7 and thanks to you I am getting better Ideas on mic placements. Also using the Tascam Dp-24 sd as a Daw. Nothing pro but a great time learning. Thanks again for all your time in these Tutorials. Cheers....
wow! amazing video.. you are mad thorough! great information and... the song at the end was a rare treat.. wonderful singer..great players....really enjoyed that.... salutations! x
Thank you Graham my friend! Glad you enjoyed the song! One take, the first one! By the way our video will be up vey soon! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wow. Thanks Graham, that's really cool that you checked it out. Glad you dug the song.
you're very welcome! very nice indeed!
The Toms were damn near exact, as is the overall. The brushing etc. is not as clean, but, as you stated, for the price difference? Amazing.
Hi Rick, exactly! Thanks for the great comment! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I've only just found your videos and oh my! I really enjoy watching these videos! One of the only places I can see mics in action, amazing! 😁
Thanks ever so much Luke!! I really appreciate the kind words! Summer NAMM 2017 Part II - Warren Huart : Produce Like a Pro
Wow!!!!! This is amazing! I'm planning on starting a home studio and this is exactly what I needed. Thank you so much for everything you and your crew do.
Thanks ever so much Avda Music! I'm so glad to be able to help!!
It's not a real studio unless you've an SM58 with a dented capsule grill! Love they go through all the creme de la creme for the drum mics then throw a $100 mic on the vocalist. Great stuff!
i was floored by that as well. I thought tube mics really were meant for vocals first before anything else. they have tube mics on Over heads, bloody hell.
@@ruthlesscutthroat4030 a dynamic mic works well in this application so that it doesnt pick up the piano. so no large condenser or tube mic works -cheap or spendy- w live vocals, and then cranking the gain and eq with good preamps or plug ins but i think mostly his voice is really super!
yeah that dudes voice would sound good on literally any mic rofl
One of the best channels out there. Thanks Warren for all of these amazing videos, I hope you have a marvelous time making them cause we sure do watching them!
Wow thank you ever so much Ihtis Music! I really appreciate your kind words!! Yes, I really do enjoy making these videos! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Very thankful you guys took the time. It just goes to show that good gear still holds up. Great song too.
I've watched this channel awhile now and this is the best video yet, great job! Lots of good info in this video!
Thanks very much Jon that means a lot! Please share and please enter the competition to win the Focusrite and Shure mics! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Love it when you guys go to Sunset.
Thanks Z!! You Rock! Summer NAMM 2017 Part II - Warren Huart : Produce Like a Pro
What Brilliant Test - Very Cool! - Great Video!!
Thank yu ever so much Kyrie! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wow! This video popped up in my feed at just the perfect time. Fabulous breakdown and Beautiful song recorded beautifully.
Thanks warren and crew!
just fantastic. Humbled by the insight and talent you bring to the tube. and as for micing the floor...
i have that shure mic kit and really love how it sounds
michaelmruta thanks for sharing!!
What a great video. There is nothing out there as honest as this. Now if I only had that room! The Slate room samples will do just fine for now haha. Thanks Warren.
Thanks ever so much Chris! I agree, the room is such a huge part of the drum sound!! Slate does great things! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
This is awesome! Great to hear this and awesome sounding song!
Thanks again Warren for showing us (and letting us hear of course) all of this!
Hi! I would like to leave a small comment over here. I'm from Argentina, and in a couple of months i will be going to work as an Audio Technician in an awesome theater in the USA. I came into your video looking for practice about technical terms and ways of speaking, and I can totally say i leave with a smile, knowing that there's people like you working in the world. I absolutly love your simple, yet specific ways of miking, recording and mixing, and i'm really thankfull for you to sharing this with all of us.
That's all, thanks man. I'm really happy right now, and it's because of you.
Im not gunna lie, those Shure's sounded awsome! And what a great song and great sound! Awsome Video Warren!
Thanks James! The Shure's and the Focusrite are both amazing! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
This is gonna get a lot of views. This channel is getting better and better!
Thanks very much Sub Motion! Please feel free to share the video! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
It would be great if you could check our tunes out Warren!
This video is an incredible resource - thanks for sharing! It's one to study closely, that's for sure.
A superb video. I feel so privileged to have this info and watch great work and be given insight on how it was done.
Fricken great video and comparisons!!!! Been looking at drum mic packages already so this is great! Even thinking of upgrading my focusrite pro 40... the 8 pre X looks like a good upgrade ;)
Thank you so much Eric! You Rock! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I have both. Both are great, indeed, but the 8PreX Clarett is indeed a nice upgrade!
Thanks monkey dangus! I agree, I was really impressed with the Focusrite! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Eric I bought an amazing pack for an amazing deal on Amazon, it was the lewitt drum mic pack. The over heads alone lct 340s cost more by themselves than I got the whole pack for not to mention it comes with a Rex 640 dual element kick mic, three tom mics and a snare mic with a wicked case that could survive an earth quake. The whole package went for 1200 on Amazon. They are much better overall than my audix mic pack I had. I got it a while ago but I highly recommend seeing if it's still availiable at that price on Amazon. If not for the audix drum mic pack also is a nice but for just a few bucks more the lewitts were unbeatable. Good luck with whatever you get.
I also use both the Safire 40 and clarett 8 preX in combination for 16 pres. no lag with plugins, it's great.
Now we have the wifi password of Sunset Sound Studio ;)
There is always the law of diminishing returns. The public don't care what anything is recorded on or with. Nice video as usual :-)
Thanks ever so much Peter!
summary: boost a bit lows, make low pass filter and enjoy the sound of expensive equipment))
Warren, can you upload music video also separately?
Thant's a great idea Andrey! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Hi Warren you keep telling these three factors for a good sound: tuning, room, and the player. But your experience as sound engineer takes a huuuge chunk there. Your instinct in mic placement, gain staging, Eq and compression undoubtedly makes it for you possible to produce such a great sound from a cheap set. Thank you for the insight and inspiration!
Wow thank you for the incredibly kind words yonatan! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I agree man! I'm an audio student, and I've worked with some incredible engineers through my internship.
If you have a great player and an ok engineer, the sound is only as good as the engineer.
When I hear stuff I've recorded vs. stuff my boss has recorded, I'm reminded of how much I have to learn!
Amazing, thank you so much for this. Your whole approach to showing us the process is spot on, great attitude, absolutely minimal BS :) 10/10
What an awesome live performance. This is so exciting to notice every little detail each of them put into the song while playing...
Thank you for the great video, Warren.
I have an access to a pair of cheap PG81's (from the same kit), and I use them even for recording guitar. I like to point a SM57 into the cone and put a PG81 under 45 degrees. They are working together pretty well!
you the man Warren thanks for what you do
Thanks very much Jeff!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
It was interesting with Prince living in the session room. Forgetting about all the world and its distractions, temporarily live only in his mindset & emotions. Al Pacino says desire can sometimes beat talent, what say ye? Imagine an ambitious little prick wanting it more than anyone else.
I know Celine Dion was crazy good from the start and also ambitious. Her mother was ambitious too and wrote Celine's first hit. So cool, home made song by a home-maker. I remember hearing the Titanic theme the first time on radio. I thought No way anyone can sing that good and beautiful.. it's a trick and edited. The song isn't that high but sounds majestic.
I agree! It is amazing to think Prince lived and worked in the studio creating those amazing albums!!! Thanks for insight on Celine Dion! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Did nobody notice that the final mix is mono? :)
Love the comparison and that beautiful vocal through a 58 is stunning!
This is absolutely boss! I've been looking for a great start to my own mic locker, so this video has been VERY helpful.
I don't think it sounds as close as you're saying. The more expensive kit sounds way less harsh (specially on the hihat) and with a bit more lows and low minds. It sounds like it would be way easier to mix. The cheaper kit sounds good for what it is, but if I were to mix those drums I would have nightmares figuring out ways to give presence and definition to the cymbals while cutting the harshness out. Still completely possible to make a great mix! But harder!
On the flip side, I do like the fact that room still maintained a lot of its character despite the difference in setups, and I actually liked the cheaper tom mics better than the 421's.
Hi Andre, absolutely! They are definitely different, I did love the rooms in particular and as many people are pointing out the toms could easily be better! When I was listening back I actually confused the tom mics! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I agree it would be more difficult, and the brass in particular, but nowhere near impossible.
I don't know about you, but I'm going to download the tracks and see what I can do.
Yea! For sure! I've done it already!
Great Steve! Excited to hear what you do! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Perfect Andre! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
here before this goes viral in the audio engineer community
AW shucks thanks ever so much Hog!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wonderful video. Thanks so much for all of the great content you're creating. Truly a pleasure to watch 🙏🏻
Thanks ever so much Hanan! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Brilliant, thank-you very much for taking the time and effort to put this out, what a great and interesting video.
THANK YOU WARREN!!!!!
Thank YOU!!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
I have really basic question i want to record from the mics to a snake to a mixer and then to my PC, but where im going to place the preamp specially if i have condensed mics and i need phantom power, can it be mic > snake > preamp > mixer > AI?
yep, that is how it works:)
Чикунов Максим thanks bro im pretty new to this, i was worry that the preamp wont be feeding enough power since the mics are plugged in from a great distance... another question, should i record with EQ and compression and preamps right from the beggining or should i record as is and editing later?
L'Quik Suárez it's all about your taste. If you have an EQ you like or such compressor, don't put it away, use it. But if you have some doubt about using some outboard gear, don't use it. You always can apply effects in the box. One thing should be noted - if you record with overEQ or overCompressing, you have no chance to fix it after. Have a great time recording!
Hi L'Quik Suárez, it sounds like the way you are setting up is correct! If you are concerned about level etc going into a pre amp that is an interesting point. On pre amps like Neve etc we like to drive them almost into distortion, but with most on board Pre Amps that are in Interfaces I would print clean and use plug ins for drive etc. I hope that helps? Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Wow. This is a very special documentary. Downloading the stems now. Thanks so much!
Amazing as usual.
Ian what's your favorite part? I love singers voice, the part with the harmonies is fantastic!
The vocals, emotion in the voice. The pitch, accuracy, tempo and choice of notes.
Thanks ever so much Ian! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Agreed, the vocals are amazing!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Thank you for being so honest and kind enough to help people. You are rare. I put in many years of being a live singer/guitarist/song writer and had to put in work on other peoples projects in exchange for some of my songs to be recorded. I was never happy with the half ass recordings and about 6 years ago decided to take matters into my own hands an learn recording. I have learned many things from you and can produce my own stuff now using old protools 6.7 and a couple cheap mics. I have 1/10th of the gear as a small studio and get great results doing all the singing/ playing and recording by myself. I work endless hours doing this and don't know why but I can't stop. If you would ever be interested in hearing something just say the word and I can put up a link. Worst case you will get a good laugh.
I just realized Warren looks like king crimson era John wetton
Wow!! I'll take that!!
Wow wow wow. Thank you SO much for putting in the time and effort to make this video!
absolutely amazing! We need more of these "pro" vs "semi-pro" gear shootouts. Most of us will never have a chance to even use mics like those for drums but now we have a professional shootout vid to compare
With Warren Huart in control of Sunset Sound with a band like that... How could you get a bad sound?
Thanks dude! It was the rhythm section!
If anything, the cheaper setup actually sounds more lively.
A lot of people buy certain mics for their distinct characteristics but when it comes down to it in a full song you won't be able to hear much of the difference. Just goes to show 99.99% of a recording is the engineer, room, and the players.
Beautiful video! Thanks for inspiring us forward in this recording business in the hopes that it CAN be done at a minimal cost but with talent, hard work and also trial and error. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for this fantastic video! Sometimes we get caught up in gear and don't see the forest for the trees. Bravo!
what id give to be the engineer in that studio....
jordan kushner - I know right! It's absolutely beautiful!
I know Jordon! Such an amazing Studio! My favourite one in the world! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
Warren, stop putting out such great videos, I'm not getting any work done!
AW shucks thanks very much!! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
LOL. Right?
@@jonahsmithmusic Hi, I know this is an older video but I see Jonah himself was here - Can you please tell me the name of the song and the writer if not yourself? Can I use this in my mix portfolio, and what credits do I need to give? Thank you for a wonderful video and song, keep coming back to this one!
@@Producelikeapro Hi, I know this is an older video but can you please tell me the name of the song and the writer? Can I use this in my mix portfolio, and what credits do I need to give? Thank you for a wonderful video and song, keep coming back to this one!
The magic when he starts the piano and vocals! Sounds amazing.
This is an amazing video. Sunset looks like a cool studio. I think the focusrite/shure combo sounds great. Thanks Warren
he looks like the bassist of green day
Hi Liam, me, or someone else? I'll take it! Haha Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren
THAT is ONE of the best songs I've heard in years!!!....... Smooth n Sexy All Round!!! :)
Wow. Thanks Grant!
Its awesome man! Made me seek out more of your music! :) Groove On!!! :)
Wonderful! Thank you so much. And thank you all for sharing the files!
And then there was mumble rap.. From Garbage mics, to 100% torrented software on 300$ laptops, to tons effects to hide sloppy recordings, it sweeps the nation and somehow competes for grammys alongside what's produced in studios like this.
Maybe because it's not about the expensive gear but how you use it.
Hey guys, its true that it's the musician and not the gear BUT this is a horrible time to use that reasoning
This is an amazing video. Exciting to see the mics compared side by side like that. Especially how he goes through each mic, the placement, and works through the inputs and mix without wasting a lot of time talking about nonsense. Really lean but informative video. Cheers!
Awesome walk-through. Thanks for sharing your talent and ideas.
I downloaded the multitracks a while ago and made my own version in terms of mixing.
I am not by any means experienced in mixing and my version is way more pronounced in the lower end,
bit what I can say is, this was a very easy session to mix. Everything just came together nicely.
I´m seeing this in quarantine 2020.
Thank you Warren for such an important and quality information, I think who shares make the world a better place.
Love from Brazil.
Great test, great video. Thank you very much for your work. I love the sound of the final song and whole composition. They are fantastic musicians and Jonah is fantastic composer too. Thank you guys!
Also, thank you for sharing information so selflessly so that we can receive it and learn. So awesome man!
You have to try to go even cheaper with the room mics and use a dynamic one (like a sm58) instead of large diaphragm condensers (the c-414's position is ideal). In a rehearsal studio that i work, we give the artist a rough multitrack mix of the session in the end and once i had 1 vocalist but the second mic was already at the room, i cracked up the gain and compress it and i was amazed and i use it every time since then.The 58 has less low end and less high end definition and reacts differently to transients than a good condenser, which is good for an overcompressed meaty mid focused with not so much cymbals or and low end phase issues sound, also using the polar pattern you can shape the sound, overrall it gives you the eq and compression to begin by it's nature so i find it more useful and you can push it more in the mix
That was an awesome video! Ive been doing live sound for around 7 years and a few months ago put the Shure PGA set on our main kit. After watching this video, I completely agree that its about the player (and room in a studio). I multitrack right off our X32 and mix it in my own beginners studio setup at home and they truly are totally worth it. The only thing we have different is we have the PGA57 on the bottom of the snare and an SM57 on top. Subscribed!
This took a lot of work. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Well done. Yes Blair and Jon are great players. I've seen them play with the amazing Pete Thorn.
I would love to hear a song with both drum setups. As in, hearing how the drums set in the mix, with both setups. What I am noticing is just different frequencies being more pushed, almost like you could play with the focusrite setup and get it to sound almost exact to the more expensive option. I am so glad I watched this video. I did a few electrical projects for a follow in Saratoga Springs who had the most amazing studio I have ever seen. At the time he still had a two inch tape deck in a corner of the control room. He was getting special preamps built in England and when he was explaining everything to me, I was like overwhelmed. The last job I did several years ago, he was removing this massive console like what you are using here and replacing it with whatever pro tools rig was replacing the analog consoles. He was working on film stuff if I remember. I can remember his last name. His name was John on Lake Avenue. His studio was in the upstairs of one of the historic homes in the city. His drum room was a round room with a 25' ceiling. I think they called it a turret. The home is massive with ornate woodwork throughout. He told me to learn pro tools, so I started learning until life got in the way. Now I'm setting up my second studio and I have a focusrite Scarlet 18i20 that I've had for over a month and didn't even take it out of the shipping box. I also ordered a beta 52 for the kick drum. I have a few sm57s I will use and a cheap drum mike package. I am hoping to write some amazing songs. Gotta get going so, thank you and TTL!