BOY! As a former planning commissioner who served my community for nine years, Frankie was very impressive. There were a lot of great ideas and I feel Frankie combined some very good and important ideas and concepts. Overall, I think as a large general plan of that specific area, Frankie's ideas should be taken seriously. There is hope for AI.
A lot of the ideas mentioned are things that we have been talking about in academia for years. It was still rather vague, and I would say there were some outdated thinking with the high prioritization of cost saving especially touching on micro units (I would also truthfully love for there to be more directed conversation with how higher upfront cost investment into improved & sustainable building systems, ie. gray water storage or green rooftops, would have incremental savings in the long term), but it was mostly hitting on the points that younger designers like myself have been stressing for a while now. Now let's hope private developers would actually listen to this.
@@AdambYates Could you please do this concept for Los Angeles? Our Metro is expanding so I'd like to see it plan new routes and stations, find streets and areas where we could apply the biking/pedestrian only concept, and make LA a 15 minute city with sustainability and walkability in mind. LA has a lot of things that would make this a really interesting challenge. Thanks!
The strongest point I take from this is that these are known solutions. The AI didn't have to invent anything. It just had to compile well-documented concepts from around the world that people have already formulated and demonstrated. The fact that our political discourse in North America remains incapable of comprehending concepts of urban planning that a literal robot can easily articulate is genuinely depressing. Perhaps the true existential threat to humanity is not AI after all, but rather collective stupidity.
The fact that the AI does this so well, is becouse so many humans have already written about this in a multitude of ways, hoping for such cities to improve peoples live. The problem is therefore not directly the people designing, but rather the factors which set guidlines and boundaries for the designers. We have to see why these plans don't get followed through and publicly adress them to make a difference.
I think if anything this shows just how impactful Strong Towns and detailed city plans from Copenhagen and Amsterdam and similar cities are to our overall development..I hope this pushes planners to be even more thorough in how they label and write up their plans, as it could be used by the latest gpt for city planning.
Did this myself in Cities Skylines. Went from city wide traffic jam at 50,000 population without public transport or bike paths to 150,000 population and less traffic than in my real life small town. Bike paths though parks surrounded by residential and a ring of business with a tram to pass by them all is the way to go (and a subway for district to district for anything bigger than a square mile)
One thing you didn't point out is that Delve is an AI tool developed by Alphabet and it's original use was for that specific area in Toronto you want redesigned. That means that Delve is optimized for that area and that ChatGPT can access sidewalk labs public plans for the area and bing can access the public images for the plans which looks to be the case because the ai generated images are very similar to sidewalks labs images for Toronto. It would be interesting to see it tried out on a place that doesn't have such a well covered development.
I thought the same thing. I like the video idea and the overall outcome but videos like these just add to the whole AI bubble. And realy showcase the lack of understanding the public has for such complex fields as AI.
@@johannes1826 Not to mention one of ChatGPTs shortcomings is planning. Granted that planning can mean different things and it's "plans" are very solid but it's not like it's actually thinking of the plans itself.
Thanks for the comment and good point. With that said, I have applied Delve on other master planned sites in the Greater Toronto Area and found it to be quite good. May be a different story outside of Toronto. I also think there are a number of really good programs out there that also do a good job at optimizing site design based on all the different constraints. I absolutely love a program called RatioCity (I think this is only available in Canada at the moment). In contrast to Delve it actually brings in municipal planning policy, so it works for infill sites in downtown areas.
It doesn't "agree" - it's just recognizing that that's the most common type of content. It should not be surprising that most content is made by content creators.
Now the government should just let AI build the cities to be honest. If AI would make that city happen, that would be better than anything we have right now
The problem with Ai is: It wasn't programmed to actually care about people's comforts, over the collective wants [if you understand what I mean]. Sure, it wants to protect bicyclers & that's a good thing but when it comes to people's living quarters it thinks like a communist encampment [shared kitchens & living space⁉️ NO way is that people friendly, we need PRIVACY... And where is the human green-space (like open to the air balconies). All Ai did was get the information from the NWdisOrder websites |WEF/UN/etcetera] - Ai created nothing‼️
Amazing. Using multiple AIs with different purposes can encompass such vast knowledge and experience made by so many humans combined! The degree of comprehension by the AI for its tasks keeps blowing my mind. Thank you Adam, you need to be seen by SO many more people. Especially all community developers and planners in North America! 🤓
An AI like the ones we have, does not have any comprehension. It doesnt actually understand anything. It is a relatively static model of a certain task, like human language. There is a misconception, that AI is dangerous, because it is so smart. AI is not smart. The danger is in using AI for tasks, that need a deep understanding of what the world is and how it works and blindly believing in it.
The most amazing thing is that its not even an AI created for this task. And even this one is less than 7 months old. Imagine what a mature and dedicated city planning AI could do.
To answer your last question, no, AI cannot design a city better than a human, because all the AI did was take best practices from cities that nearly everyone already knows have the best land use policies. In other words, if North American planners just copied what they do over there, we'd be in a much better state. Ultimately though, this was a great exercise and I think taught some good lessons. One thing I'd note about affordability though is that unfortunately, I think this portlands neighborhood won't end up being affordable because it's built so well. The problem with our current development pattern is that we build so few of these good neighborhoods that when they pop up they are immensely popular and the price of everything skyrockets. What's needed is to transform the entire city into this type of development so that the uniqueness of it doesn't drive up the cost.
I agree with you, I think you are spot on. And I agree with your second paragraph as well. Definitely need City-wide change to drive changes in affordability. Hope this happens!
Interesting for sure, though I'd think this would have to be from a ground up deal. AI's probably not accounting for all the people who'd likely oppose it for some kind of NIMBY reason, or another...that and/or developer greed. Still, I like the possibilities of those concepts.
This is fantastic, and exactly what we should be using Artificial Intelligence (or Augmented/Assistive Intelligence) for. People should be making the final decisions, but these new tools that we have at our disposal will generate new ideas and connections that we may not have otherwise considered. Adam, I hope that you shared this video with the Toronto City Planning Commission (or its equivalent)!
I don't see any actual design here. Just a presentation saying "I would do X". I high school student could do that. This is just regurgitating best practices that have been identified by humans and talked about at length online. The AI has just absorbed that and applied it to a few geo-specific things (like the Don River mouth), but I don't see any masterplan. I don't see any renders of an actual design. We are still quite a way off from AI doing the serious grunt work.
I’ll see if I can export the delve plan or may do another video that more clearly shows the layout, massing and statistics. Fair enough, I guess it depends where you live. In Toronto we still have a number thought leaders that think that we need to remove bicycle lanes on main streets and increase the number of vehicles lanes to improve traffic congestion.
Where’s the plan? Could you, please, provide some kind of link to see details. I heard lots of buzz words and some interesting ideas, however there were no details and no references to validate any numbers. As you probably know, AI makes some facts from time to time.
The problem with city planning is implementing it. The worst part, comes when you go against those who are benefited from the current status of the city. Finally common kitchens are a horrible idea. Who wants to share his/her fridge? Into a company people have problems using a small kitchen, scale it up in a house complex.
Haha I totally agree about the common kitchen. Don’t think Frankie thought that through haha And your right about going against those that have benefited from the status quo - makes it almost impossible to drive change.
@@AdambYates yeah i del with these issues constantly here i live (Greece) and i bet everywhere is the same... otherwise, what the AI mention is almost a common knowledge and for years in European architecture schools we learn about these principles. But we are not able to implement them...
I would worry about the fire protection for tall, timber framed buildings, and I would like to see waste collection addressed, and, if it's successful, how to deal with the influx of tourists.
@@AdambYates and fire. It's only a matter of time before there's a really spectacular multistorey timber framed building fire. They dry out, then move, and all the fire barriers become invalidated. I can't bear the thought of the lives that are on countdown.
I've been trying to do something like this but you knocked it out of the park. There is definitely potential here. of course, anything made by AI would still be edited and changed by real human beings to actually be adaptable in the real world, but there's definitely potential.
At first I was sceptical on that chat GPT actually wrote this, it seemed like it had more of an opinion than usual but for the most part this was just way too good to be true. This is EXACTLY what needs to be done. It would fix soo many problems and crisis. I think it is as close to perfection as it gets. If we could just implement this, and if everything would be made with the same goals in mind (that being sustainability and everything being made for the well-being of the people) I am super optimistic for the future
Gpt is not completely multimodal. It barely understands city plans. It has some visual understanding but for city plan ing you need visual modality and a specific Llm for city planning .In one year or less you can do it easily. Even now making a good quality llm is not that energy or time consuming.
How do we change the system? By uniting, organizing and building new cities from scratch. As Buckminster Fuller said: "You don't change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something you need to build a new model tham makes the old one obsolete." So to "change" the (economic) system we currently use it is more effective to build a new economic system, than it is to fight against the current one. And the most efficient way to build a new economic system is to build new cities from scratch, because it is in cities that economic systems materialize. For more on this see: 1 - Zeitgeist Moving Forward: ruclips.net/video/4Z9WVZddH9w/видео.html 2 - Sotsgorod: ruclips.net/video/k1fFd4S9IBc/видео.html 3 - Marinaleda: ruclips.net/video/Wgudj5Rw10I/видео.html 4 - Stafford Beer - Viable System: ruclips.net/video/gPnWVg7CSIg/видео.html 5 - Buckminster Fuller: ruclips.net/video/3ZB2La-oCVI/видео.html 6 - Egypt's new capital currently being built by China: ruclips.net/video/9-ThusbaRW8/видео.html 7 - Socialism: ruclips.net/video/OUig0Qwnc4I/видео.html
Women fought against the laws that kept them from vpting and basic rights line signing contracts. Prooves you are wrong. Why build something new when you can use old infrasteucture? Your idea just waistes ressozrces that are very limited.
Impressive, sadly Frankie couldn't take into consideration local politicians stuck in the 60s, corrupt developers, car manufacturers lobbyists, NIMBYs, etc . But at this rate Skynet is coming in about 10 years so...........................
you can really see the limitations of Chatgpt, it's sounds just like an autofill tool that fluffs up anything you want, packing anything you wrant with cliches and coporate terminology
This is not a limitation, you can tell it to write the same thing at a 3 year old level and it will simplify everything, or you can ask it to be more technical. or you can ask it to write it with humour, , Flirty, or dreed, etc...
I mean… These approaches are clearly all taken from already existing concepts and projects, but combined. So, while I like these concepts, they are by no means new or invented by the AI. It’s just the combination. The question wether AI is better at designing neighbourhoods and cities than humans is misleading. Sure, we as city planning enthusiasts like this concept. But that’s the thing: I’m sure there would be many city planners who would prefer to implement plans very similar to Frankie’s. The question is, does politics allow for this? Because yes, we all know that incentivising bikes and public transport (while leaving lanes open for disabled people for example) IS the way forward. But politics certainly doesn’t. In Germany, Right wing, conservative and libertarian politicians and newspapers actively campaign against this. People get scared by their rhetoric. There is a lot of resistance against such changes. I’m also wondering whether disclosing if plans were developed by AI or not would be beneficial. On one hand, it might lend these plans a certain air of objectivity (please remember that that doesn’t really exist), on the other hand, this might be exactly what people might focus on if they don’t like these plans (ai isn’t that far in development yet, ai makes mistakes). In terms of city planning, what is AI actually useful for? In my opinion, it’s a kind of advanced search tool. It presents several measures and evaluates them. You might discover beneficial models more quickly. But in the end, humans seem to me like they are still the ones developing novel ideas or rediscovering older ones.
Completely agree with your comment. I agree, definitely a supplemental tool but not a replacement for human planners. And to your point, the challenge is not designing a plan but getting political buy in. Definitely sad that best practices and studies don’t prevail.
All good except the buildings are ugly square boxes without heart, people don't want these modernist ugly buildings. It might look cool in drawings but living there is boring. Check out the Architecture Uprising, a grassroots movement that has taken Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia by storm.
I'm with you I very much wanted to be an architect early in life. Alas the card did not fall that way. But I was always disappointed to find even though I'm fascinated by the old stuff I don't really like virtually anything designed after 1950. For me the last great architecture style was Art Deco. From there it basically went downhill imo. Though perhaps the ugliness peaked in the 1970s with the Brutalist concrete stuff. Its pulled back a little bit since then..... but not much lol.
AI takes pre-existing information and forms responses based on your prompts, so while it gave you a nice plan to redevelop Toronto, you still need humans to come up with these great ideas in the first place. Great video mate, well done.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I do think it’s interesting that it’s able to pull practices from around the world, ie what people have written about from around the world. Like I had no idea about the Copenhagen waterfront baths - those are so cool!
☑ BASED ☑ BASED ☑ BASED I would donate an organ if it meant my city could be this based. My city is so damn ridiculously incompetent I want to move out of where I have lived my whole life.
In Amsterdam they just closed a major road that goes straight in to the city for 6 weeks. No roadworks going on, but just to see what would happen. And off course it aims on removing this road all together at some point (except for emergency services and public transport).
I am just pulling together this very project! Using AI to assist in developing a presentation of my ideas in urban-regional planning. Thanks for the hints in how to go about this. I've go full time on this project on the 5th!
As an architect and aficionado of urban design, the issue as I understand it is auto centric zoning codes. And elected policy makers swayed by special interests.
Frankie is merely cribbing and regurgitating the brilliance and hard work by countless urban planning experts. Which is fine, if it’ll make people take notice.
I'm not sure it can design a better city than a human, but it definitely came up with a better design than is likely to be approved. This was a great example of urban planning, yet how often do we actually see these principles implemented?
Humanity: "we cant let AI take over!" Political elite: "yeah, were all you need!" *Humanity, chucking bankers over tall ledges:* "ALL HAIL OUR AI OVERLORDS, SAVIORS OF MANKIND!" [Basically the comment section and Im here fot it]
This reminds me so much of the Computer from Star Trek: The Next Generation. The Computer was AI that generated the best information possible given prompts by users. The last time I saw ST:TNG imagine what the future could be like, Starfleet officers used PADDs (personal access display devices) for everything from reading books to writing reports.
Wow, that’s a great comparison! I agree that it’s amazing how technology has advanced so much since then. I wonder what other gadgets from the show will become reality in the future. Maybe holodecks?
Very interesting! Good work and coordination. Would AI be able to suggest a plan for areas outside of downtown (like suburbs) that would hit those 5 points as well? The city core stuff has been done and re-done ad nauseum. I would like to see a suburb that doesn't function like a highway strip mall. Thanks!
Adam, impressed by your AI in city planning. Wish to discuss EcoVision Velddrif, a 2,700ha sustainable urban development in SA, fully renewable, aiming for a transformative community model. Open for a call to explore collaboration?
BORING! Everything looks like a cross between airport departure lounge and waiting spaces and arid office block districts of more recent development concept -ie like Docklands in London . A bit of that here and there in a city can be interesting -but entire districts of it are suffocatingly dull. London has a lot of this along the Thames where it was blitzed during WW2 and it has become very repetitive in concept. Portsmouth has done some of this on its waterfront and it is BORING AS ALL HELL! Look at older cities in Europe again like Lisbon and Paris ,even Marseille which had its waterfront blown up by the Germans . Much more interesting cities. People dont feel a sense of locatedness in these designs -they are all so lacking any local historic reference and building materials or character.
Can AI design a city better than a human? This is a nonsensical question. Why? Where did AI get all of its data to form its best practices? From Human designs of best practice. AI without human input is impossible. All computer knowledge starts with and derives inspiration from data of human accomplishment. Zero human derived input equals zero AI generated output. End of story.
ChatGPT keeps saying "incorporating street designs from Amsterdam" but nowhere in the pictures it does the street design resemble anywhere in Amsterdam. Not even future Amsterdam developments (of which planning documents are of course available but not in English). Even in the Lower Don Lands (which looks really good by the way) it looks distinctly Canadian. That's of course a good thing, but it also means that the infrastructure still isn't on par with Amsterdam. I can see cycle friendly streets, but I'm missing a cycle friendly network. I can see bike "provisions" but I am not seeing dedicated well-marked wide cycle paths that are continuous. I'm seeing a lot of glass facades but not a lot of non-glass facades. Nothing wrong with big sglass storefronts, but glass facades' overuse do have a downside: glass reflects and the outside light and turns entire walls into mirrors. Making a place feel cold and impersonal (large hard smooth textureless surfaces). Having actual walls, colums and depth in facades is part of good architecture, and is more sustainable anyway.
Hi art here. It kinda hard te tell scale if you look at the people the perspective isn't right. The people who look like they're in the foreground is small the people in the background looks big and why do they have big bodies and small heads? I can draw a really good city that people wish they could live in no AI necessary. I can make it very walkable, Have plenty of public transportation, Bake it even more beautiful then what AI can achieve., Make it efficient. And make it exciting to explore. Plus with better Zoning. No racial segregation, A thriving affordable housing market, And make everything in 1 qs mile to someone. Plus safe streets. Infact making a city like that has been done many times before. In anime. You may watch anime and think how beautiful anbld walkable it is that it couldn't be real. But you'd be wrong because that is what Japan is like in real life. So it's been done already.
I appreciate AI's ability to draw attention to general planning concepts as a scaffold for actual design. That said, Frankie's presentation is very general and obviously actual design is more granular with much more detail. The devil, they say, is in those details. I wonder if AI can continue to be used for the actions involved in the heavy lift of specificity.
No, AI cannot replace humans and I dont think it could ever be fully relied upon for this field. The only reason it had any of those ideas or uses were because they were already human generated. Some human, through years of research and development and experimentation figured out that these methods work best to make good cities. the AI showed no capability of doing that process on its own, or generating its own ideas. it just pooled together a bunch of separate human generated ideas that were already created. in the future at some point the AI would have to be able to generate a new idea/concept for a new problem that arises. but everything so far shows that it would just use the same answer to the problem that was used in the past, likely not solving anything. it would still be totally reliant upon a human mind to creatively generate new solutions and better ideas. everyhting the AI did here today is something that a trained or knowledgeable human in the field could also do or say, and likely with more nuance. the only thing the chat GPT excelled at is writing it all down in document, it would take much longer for a human to write all that out.
Nice work, Frankie and Adam. Beautifully constructed and visualised. And based on best practice and evidence from around the world. I would love to see a review of our synthesis by some seasoned and indepedent experts. I love your work, and I'm easily swayed towards the beauty you show and the type of urbanism you propose. I think we might read the same blogs! Is expert review an option to help build credibility for AI generated content? Peer-review even? Or does peer-review in the AI context boil down to Model Intercomparison Projects?
My main question is how innovative is AI? Right now it’s pulling from the existing knowledge base, but can it generate new models, paradigms or configurations for improvement?
Power of Knowledge in the wrong hands can lead people down a meaningless path. What are the checks and balances of the ChatGpt system? It serves a purpose for combining information to the appropriate authorities. It will have to be acknowledged by QR Codes and the like.
It's pretty cool. I cringe at the liberal "diverse and inclusive" phrasing and reject the 15 min city plan by the world economic forum as they designed it with tyrannical security observation in mind a happy prison. I would like to see a large scale city with comprehensive suburbs and public transit while implementing above and below ground housing which increases park/green environment
I like Frankie's pitch, prefigured as it was by you with terms like "world's best practice" but then I'm one of those progressive cosmopolitan sorts. It would be interesting to ask Frankie to alter her presentation in a way that would appeal to a different kind of person, one who is wary of globalization and state-certified expertise, but who would nonetheless benefit from a more localized community-oriented way of life.
This needs to be applied to the Rathdrum Prairie in North Idaho. The developers there are going for the quick buck and destroying their kids future. Watch it in 20 years. Will look like a Los Angeles mess.
Impressive, but not to be trusted. Very theoretical. Lots has been written as "what if" utopias, but shown to be impractical in reality - which don't get the same level of write ups as the dreams. So much of this is skewed towards an idealistic fantasy.
That was blah! I thought you were going to give a thorough analysis of the AI's proposal, doing things like showing a model of the AI's city and expounding on the pros and cons etc. Lazy
I'm glad to hear we need AI to reckon what we've always felt being harmony, beauty and efficiency is the good approach to building up cities. Wait for a couple of years, and AI will tell us that morality and decency are better than individualism to live together in peace.
If enough people in the world start to use wood (again) to build their homes and workplaces, the forests will be gone sooner or later. This will result in less of carbon taken out the air, so that would be bad for the environment. In the past we already made a fuss about the use of paper to spare the trees. And that's why digital records are better. But now we store and process so much digital data, it takes enormous amounts of energy, which produces carbon.
Designing a city isn't the problem. The problem is "special interests", ignorance, stupidity, greed, and corrupt bureaucrats, and politicians. In other words there is nothing that people can't screw up !
North American towns and cities have a very low level of livability compared to Europe, this is because the planners are absolutely wedded to their zoning concept. It needs to change, but this can only happen if someone with vision is in charge, Unfortunately the people at the top usually have been prompted through the system and are indoctrinated by the system. Good luck - this is a brave vision I can relate to as I live in the UK where these conceps are more prevalent (except for the timber frame construction)
Surrendering real estate development in a (nominally) capitalistic - read: profit/loss system is dilusional. But for those already positioned in the GPT market it's coming to a tract of land near you. 🤠
The recommendations are all based on existing solutions which are not acceptable to all types of likely inhabitants eg those who have to commute to work or schools or meet elderly relatives who need care and support. It just moves existing (traffic) problems to other areas exacerbating probs like emergency service access to ow traffic neighbourhoods.
It's all well and good until you realize it's just analizing the available data, not imputting the human pattern itself. It only knows what the results of existing situations are, not the reasons why those solutions were optimal or simply adequate. There's no possibility for innovation, only consolidation, which is a path towards stagnation.
10:40 ... so basically communism ... yeah I stop you right there as somebody who live with an friend together for some time. It doesn't work out allright, especially if the other does nothing in the household especially cleaining up their shit and not respecting other stuff handling it if they bought it for cheap and don't care if it breackes.
Task it with incorporating the existing industrial uses with transit & neighborhoods to minimize the distance a worker has to travel! Or how would it zone a neighborhood to ensure the people in the lowest income jobs can live in the same or adjacent neighborhood they serve?
Ai is a powerful analytical tool, so it can design a city that is perfect when it comes to efficiency. I wonder what it would be like to live in such a city?
I’m a Brit living in Amsterdam, and it really is an amazing city. I’m not even talking an about the historic centre. The post war communities are carefully planned and as we move away from the car they are getting even better every year
Solo banalità. Basta andare in una città media o piccola in Italia come Lucca o Livorno per capire che il modello Amsterdam fa c.g.r.e... questi sono collages di concetti non coerenti, é un patchwork di banalità e luoghi comuni sull'urbanistica.
Bicycles have no business on a road and never have had any. Their speed is much closer to that of a pedestrian, so they should share the sidewalk with them.
AI really is human because all the text generated came from learning from human inputs. The problem isn't that we dont know how to make more desirable urban areas in the USA and Canada, its that we lack the political will.
Were the renders made by bing image creator or chat gpt? What is Delve and what is it used for? Shockingly impressed by what you've asked AI to do in your city
Thanks for the comment. I asked ChatGPT to provide the prompts for Bing Image Creator, then I copied and pasted those prompts into Bing Image Creator and it produced the renderings. Delve is a pretty cool program. This youtube video explains it best: ruclips.net/video/J8QzRw9rQMk/видео.html. Basically, Delve uses AI to create millions of design possibilities for urban developments. You input the project information, location, size, priorities, etc., and it generates and ranks options that meet your criteria. It finds the optimal way to layout the roads, buildings, etc.
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BOY! As a former planning commissioner who served my community for nine years, Frankie was very impressive. There were a lot of great ideas and I feel Frankie combined some very good and important ideas and concepts. Overall, I think as a large general plan of that specific area, Frankie's ideas should be taken seriously. There is hope for AI.
It’s great to know from a former planning commissioner that Frankie is on the right track!!
A lot of the ideas mentioned are things that we have been talking about in academia for years. It was still rather vague, and I would say there were some outdated thinking with the high prioritization of cost saving especially touching on micro units (I would also truthfully love for there to be more directed conversation with how higher upfront cost investment into improved & sustainable building systems, ie. gray water storage or green rooftops, would have incremental savings in the long term), but it was mostly hitting on the points that younger designers like myself have been stressing for a while now. Now let's hope private developers would actually listen to this.
I agree. I really hope councillors and the public start to use this for educational purposes.
@@AdambYates Could you please do this concept for Los Angeles? Our Metro is expanding so I'd like to see it plan new routes and stations, find streets and areas where we could apply the biking/pedestrian only concept, and make LA a 15 minute city with sustainability and walkability in mind. LA has a lot of things that would make this a really interesting challenge. Thanks!
@@AdambYatesEducational Purposes? Yes. Work "with" AI to improve our lives. Make us better humans if it's possible.
A core shopping-centre for groceries and scholing elementary are different side than colleges.
signal boost for frankie. hope to see more frankie content soon!
The strongest point I take from this is that these are known solutions. The AI didn't have to invent anything. It just had to compile well-documented concepts from around the world that people have already formulated and demonstrated. The fact that our political discourse in North America remains incapable of comprehending concepts of urban planning that a literal robot can easily articulate is genuinely depressing. Perhaps the true existential threat to humanity is not AI after all, but rather collective stupidity.
Haha love this comment, absolutely agree 👍
The fact that the AI does this so well, is becouse so many humans have already written about this in a multitude of ways, hoping for such cities to improve peoples live.
The problem is therefore not directly the people designing, but rather the factors which set guidlines and boundaries for the designers.
We have to see why these plans don't get followed through and publicly adress them to make a difference.
💯 agree with this!
Because people don't want to walk/bike when the weather sucks?
The oil industry is still too big of a political sponsor
@@cyberslim7955 I bike when snow and rain are bearable. When they are unbearable even people in cars avoid going out. So there is that.
@@cyberslim7955What? Just grab and umbrella and get on the bus, it’s not difficult or much different from taking a car
I think if anything this shows just how impactful Strong Towns and detailed city plans from Copenhagen and Amsterdam and similar cities are to our overall development..I hope this pushes planners to be even more thorough in how they label and write up their plans, as it could be used by the latest gpt for city planning.
I agree!
@@AdambYatessoviet microdistrict vs USA suburb
Haha
@@carkawalakhatulistiwaore like : US single use zoning stupidity vs mixed use common sense ('' most of the rest of the world ' ) .
This is a sick plan. Good job Frankie.
Haha, thanks Kyle for the comment, I am sure Frankie appreciates it!
Great job, Frankie! 😊
Well done!
Did this myself in Cities Skylines.
Went from city wide traffic jam at 50,000 population without public transport or bike paths to 150,000 population and less traffic than in my real life small town.
Bike paths though parks surrounded by residential and a ring of business with a tram to pass by them all is the way to go (and a subway for district to district for anything bigger than a square mile)
Very cool!! Sounds like an interesting way to model cities
You mean "Sick" as in "Disturbed", "Sadistic", "Creating a living hell"?
One thing you didn't point out is that Delve is an AI tool developed by Alphabet and it's original use was for that specific area in Toronto you want redesigned. That means that Delve is optimized for that area and that ChatGPT can access sidewalk labs public plans for the area and bing can access the public images for the plans which looks to be the case because the ai generated images are very similar to sidewalks labs images for Toronto. It would be interesting to see it tried out on a place that doesn't have such a well covered development.
I thought the same thing. I like the video idea and the overall outcome but videos like these just add to the whole AI bubble. And realy showcase the lack of understanding the public has for such complex fields as AI.
@@johannes1826 Not to mention one of ChatGPTs shortcomings is planning. Granted that planning can mean different things and it's "plans" are very solid but it's not like it's actually thinking of the plans itself.
Thanks for the comment and good point. With that said, I have applied Delve on other master planned sites in the Greater Toronto Area and found it to be quite good. May be a different story outside of Toronto. I also think there are a number of really good programs out there that also do a good job at optimizing site design based on all the different constraints. I absolutely love a program called RatioCity (I think this is only available in Canada at the moment). In contrast to Delve it actually brings in municipal planning policy, so it works for infill sites in downtown areas.
Basically AI agrees with Strong Towns, Not Just Bikes, City Beautiful, Oh the Urbanity, and most of the other urbanist channels.
Yeah pretty interesting!
It doesn't "agree" - it's just recognizing that that's the most common type of content. It should not be surprising that most content is made by content creators.
@@manzell Is it really? I can guarantee that there is also a lot of written text that explicitly advocates for more car usage and wider lanes.
@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 Not a chance.
@@manzell Or maybe it was trying to reduce traffic deaths or increase energy efficiency 🤣
Cars are insane.
Now the government should just let AI build the cities to be honest. If AI would make that city happen, that would be better than anything we have right now
Well human planners may well design good cities, but cities aren't dictatorships. There's a lot of compromise that results from the political process.
Yeah, no old fashioned outdated or lobbying to corrupt the design either.
Perfection
The problem with Ai is:
It wasn't programmed to actually care about people's comforts, over the collective wants [if you understand what I mean]. Sure, it wants to protect bicyclers & that's a good thing but when it comes to people's living quarters it thinks like a communist encampment [shared kitchens & living space⁉️ NO way is that people friendly, we need PRIVACY... And where is the human green-space (like open to the air balconies).
All Ai did was get the information from the NWdisOrder websites |WEF/UN/etcetera] - Ai created nothing‼️
@@matthewboyd8689 Ya, foolish Matthew - just a govt/Ai dictatorship to deal with...
@@kellikelli4413 that's why it says it would implement a *variety* of housing types...
Amazing. Using multiple AIs with different purposes can encompass such vast knowledge and experience made by so many humans combined! The degree of comprehension by the AI for its tasks keeps blowing my mind.
Thank you Adam, you need to be seen by SO many more people. Especially all community developers and planners in North America! 🤓
Thanks! I completely agree, AI is blowing me away!!
I could see how AI being used for higher education could bring a updated set of best practices, could accelerate adopting them.
An AI like the ones we have, does not have any comprehension. It doesnt actually understand anything. It is a relatively static model of a certain task, like human language. There is a misconception, that AI is dangerous, because it is so smart. AI is not smart. The danger is in using AI for tasks, that need a deep understanding of what the world is and how it works and blindly believing in it.
Yep!
It does seem to understand basic logic though… like if you ask it what happens if you cut the line to balloons, it knows that the balloons fly away.
The most amazing thing is that its not even an AI created for this task. And even this one is less than 7 months old. Imagine what a mature and dedicated city planning AI could do.
I agree, this is truly impressive.
I am impressed, and unsurprised. Good job, you two!
Thanks Emma! Appreciate the comment :)
I would like to see Frankie do many other cities, too:)
Any other suggestions?
@@AdambYates DENVER. Frankie needs to fix the affordable housing crisis there, along with the lack of decent transit, parks, and bike lanes.
Hilo, Hawaii! Would be interesting to see what Frankie could do with a smaller city (pop. 45k)
Quincy washington pop 5,000 (when i was last there over a decade ago)
Great, I’ll check those out! I want to try with ChatGPT 4 and Google’s Bard.
To answer your last question, no, AI cannot design a city better than a human, because all the AI did was take best practices from cities that nearly everyone already knows have the best land use policies. In other words, if North American planners just copied what they do over there, we'd be in a much better state.
Ultimately though, this was a great exercise and I think taught some good lessons.
One thing I'd note about affordability though is that unfortunately, I think this portlands neighborhood won't end up being affordable because it's built so well. The problem with our current development pattern is that we build so few of these good neighborhoods that when they pop up they are immensely popular and the price of everything skyrockets. What's needed is to transform the entire city into this type of development so that the uniqueness of it doesn't drive up the cost.
I agree with you, I think you are spot on. And I agree with your second paragraph as well. Definitely need City-wide change to drive changes in affordability. Hope this happens!
Interesting for sure, though I'd think this would have to be from a ground up deal. AI's probably not accounting for all the people who'd likely oppose it for some kind of NIMBY reason, or another...that and/or developer greed. Still, I like the possibilities of those concepts.
I agree
Welcome to Utrecht, Frankie! Quite sad you only mentioned Amsterdam after that, but I guess A'dam is more popular internationally.
Haha
This is fantastic, and exactly what we should be using Artificial Intelligence (or Augmented/Assistive Intelligence) for. People should be making the final decisions, but these new tools that we have at our disposal will generate new ideas and connections that we may not have otherwise considered. Adam, I hope that you shared this video with the Toronto City Planning Commission (or its equivalent)!
I don't see any actual design here. Just a presentation saying "I would do X". I high school student could do that. This is just regurgitating best practices that have been identified by humans and talked about at length online. The AI has just absorbed that and applied it to a few geo-specific things (like the Don River mouth), but I don't see any masterplan. I don't see any renders of an actual design. We are still quite a way off from AI doing the serious grunt work.
I’ll see if I can export the delve plan or may do another video that more clearly shows the layout, massing and statistics.
Fair enough, I guess it depends where you live. In Toronto we still have a number thought leaders that think that we need to remove bicycle lanes on main streets and increase the number of vehicles lanes to improve traffic congestion.
@@AdambYates That's a problem with some humans but not others. Not an AI vs human problem though!
Fair point!
Where’s the plan? Could you, please, provide some kind of link to see details. I heard lots of buzz words and some interesting ideas, however there were no details and no references to validate any numbers. As you probably know, AI makes some facts from time to time.
I’ll see if I can export the delve plan or may do another video that more clearly shows the layout, massing and statistics.
Anton, I would also like to see the numbers.
i'm only 3.5 minutes in and my brain has already stopped working it's crazy how well these ais work together
Pretty wild, I agree!
The problem with city planning is implementing it. The worst part, comes when you go against those who are benefited from the current status of the city.
Finally common kitchens are a horrible idea. Who wants to share his/her fridge? Into a company people have problems using a small kitchen, scale it up in a house complex.
Haha I totally agree about the common kitchen. Don’t think Frankie thought that through haha
And your right about going against those that have benefited from the status quo - makes it almost impossible to drive change.
@@AdambYates yeah i del with these issues constantly here i live (Greece) and i bet everywhere is the same...
otherwise, what the AI mention is almost a common knowledge and for years in European architecture schools we learn about these principles. But we are not able to implement them...
Interesting to hear that this isn’t only a North American problem!
I would worry about the fire protection for tall, timber framed buildings, and I would like to see waste collection addressed, and, if it's successful, how to deal with the influx of tourists.
Waste collection and package delivery is a really good question!!
@@AdambYates and fire. It's only a matter of time before there's a really spectacular multistorey timber framed building fire. They dry out, then move, and all the fire barriers become invalidated. I can't bear the thought of the lives that are on countdown.
Yikes that doesn’t sound good. I was under the impression that they largely solved this issue with gluelam and fire resistant coatings.?
I've been trying to do something like this but you knocked it out of the park. There is definitely potential here. of course, anything made by AI would still be edited and changed by real human beings to actually be adaptable in the real world, but there's definitely potential.
Thanks appreciate the comment! And I definitely agree that it would still need a human touch!
At first I was sceptical on that chat GPT actually wrote this, it seemed like it had more of an opinion than usual but for the most part this was just way too good to be true. This is EXACTLY what needs to be done. It would fix soo many problems and crisis. I think it is as close to perfection as it gets. If we could just implement this, and if everything would be made with the same goals in mind (that being sustainability and everything being made for the well-being of the people) I am super optimistic for the future
Thanks for the comment and I completely agree!
Gpt is not completely multimodal. It barely understands city plans. It has some visual understanding but for city plan ing you need visual modality and a specific Llm for city planning .In one year or less you can do it easily. Even now making a good quality llm is not that energy or time consuming.
Great video! I haven't seen anyone using Ai to help design a part of the city before. Also great graphics and flow!
Thanks Kevin! I appreciate the comment :) I’m definitely surprised how well it did!
How do we change the system? By uniting, organizing and building new cities from scratch. As Buckminster Fuller said: "You don't change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something you need to build a new model tham makes the old one obsolete." So to "change" the (economic) system we currently use it is more effective to build a new economic system, than it is to fight against the current one. And the most efficient way to build a new economic system is to build new cities from scratch, because it is in cities that economic systems materialize.
For more on this see:
1 - Zeitgeist Moving Forward: ruclips.net/video/4Z9WVZddH9w/видео.html
2 - Sotsgorod: ruclips.net/video/k1fFd4S9IBc/видео.html
3 - Marinaleda: ruclips.net/video/Wgudj5Rw10I/видео.html
4 - Stafford Beer - Viable System: ruclips.net/video/gPnWVg7CSIg/видео.html
5 - Buckminster Fuller: ruclips.net/video/3ZB2La-oCVI/видео.html
6 - Egypt's new capital currently being built by China: ruclips.net/video/9-ThusbaRW8/видео.html
7 - Socialism: ruclips.net/video/OUig0Qwnc4I/видео.html
Women fought against the laws that kept them from vpting and basic rights line signing contracts.
Prooves you are wrong.
Why build something new when you can use old infrasteucture?
Your idea just waistes ressozrces that are very limited.
Impressive, sadly Frankie couldn't take into consideration local politicians stuck in the 60s, corrupt developers, car manufacturers lobbyists, NIMBYs, etc . But at this rate Skynet is coming in about 10 years so...........................
Haha, yep, we’ll said!
AI cannot design a city better than a human, but it can do it faster and with less work
you can really see the limitations of Chatgpt, it's sounds just like an autofill tool that fluffs up anything you want, packing anything you wrant with cliches and coporate terminology
Yep, ChatGPT definitely has limitations!
This is not a limitation, you can tell it to write the same thing at a 3 year old level and it will simplify everything, or you can ask it to be more technical. or you can ask it to write it with humour, , Flirty, or dreed, etc...
I mean… These approaches are clearly all taken from already existing concepts and projects, but combined. So, while I like these concepts, they are by no means new or invented by the AI. It’s just the combination. The question wether AI is better at designing neighbourhoods and cities than humans is misleading. Sure, we as city planning enthusiasts like this concept. But that’s the thing: I’m sure there would be many city planners who would prefer to implement plans very similar to Frankie’s. The question is, does politics allow for this? Because yes, we all know that incentivising bikes and public transport (while leaving lanes open for disabled people for example) IS the way forward. But politics certainly doesn’t. In Germany, Right wing, conservative and libertarian politicians and newspapers actively campaign against this. People get scared by their rhetoric. There is a lot of resistance against such changes. I’m also wondering whether disclosing if plans were developed by AI or not would be beneficial. On one hand, it might lend these plans a certain air of objectivity (please remember that that doesn’t really exist), on the other hand, this might be exactly what people might focus on if they don’t like these plans (ai isn’t that far in development yet, ai makes mistakes).
In terms of city planning, what is AI actually useful for? In my opinion, it’s a kind of advanced search tool. It presents several measures and evaluates them. You might discover beneficial models more quickly. But in the end, humans seem to me like they are still the ones developing novel ideas or rediscovering older ones.
Completely agree with your comment. I agree, definitely a supplemental tool but not a replacement for human planners. And to your point, the challenge is not designing a plan but getting political buy in. Definitely sad that best practices and studies don’t prevail.
I'd hire Frankie... he seems to know his shit.
I’m sure Frankie would appreciate that! Haha
All good except the buildings are ugly square boxes without heart, people don't want these modernist ugly buildings. It might look cool in drawings but living there is boring. Check out the Architecture Uprising, a grassroots movement that has taken Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia by storm.
I'm with you I very much wanted to be an architect early in life. Alas the card did not fall that way. But I was always disappointed to find even though I'm fascinated by the old stuff I don't really like virtually anything designed after 1950. For me the last great architecture style was Art Deco. From there it basically went downhill imo. Though perhaps the ugliness peaked in the 1970s with the Brutalist concrete stuff. Its pulled back a little bit since then..... but not much lol.
AI takes pre-existing information and forms responses based on your prompts, so while it gave you a nice plan to redevelop Toronto, you still need humans to come up with these great ideas in the first place. Great video mate, well done.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I do think it’s interesting that it’s able to pull practices from around the world, ie what people have written about from around the world. Like I had no idea about the Copenhagen waterfront baths - those are so cool!
It's long been said that there's nothing truly new under the sun.
i can't believe AI better than humans
☑ BASED ☑ BASED ☑ BASED I would donate an organ if it meant my city could be this based. My city is so damn ridiculously incompetent I want to move out of where I have lived my whole life.
What city do you live in?
In Amsterdam they just closed a major road that goes straight in to the city for 6 weeks. No roadworks going on, but just to see what would happen. And off course it aims on removing this road all together at some point (except for emergency services and public transport).
That’s awesome! I’m headed there in August, hopefully they’re still up!
I am just pulling together this very project! Using AI to assist in developing a presentation of my ideas in urban-regional planning.
Thanks for the hints in how to go about this. I've go full time on this project on the 5th!
That sounds awesome! Good luck!!
This just described my home city Groningen. Love it.
Haha sounds like you live in a great place!
As an architect and aficionado of urban design, the issue as I understand it is auto centric zoning codes. And elected policy makers swayed by special interests.
Sums it up well!
@@AdambYates Refreshing to get your response! Thank you. I find your project to have value. Good guidance often gets good results.
Wow ChatGPT should just be hired as the city planner lol.
Haha
It was good actually to see some numbers. The only thing I didn't like was tall building walls looking at each other
Frankie is merely cribbing and regurgitating the brilliance and hard work by countless urban planning experts. Which is fine, if it’ll make people take notice.
Go Frankie go!
I'm not sure it can design a better city than a human, but it definitely came up with a better design than is likely to be approved. This was a great example of urban planning, yet how often do we actually see these principles implemented?
Humanity: "we cant let AI take over!"
Political elite: "yeah, were all you need!"
*Humanity, chucking bankers over tall ledges:* "ALL HAIL OUR AI OVERLORDS, SAVIORS OF MANKIND!"
[Basically the comment section and Im here fot it]
Very cool. I never heard of Metro Micro though, gonna have to google it.
Thanks Paul! Yeah would love to know your thoughts on the service if you try it out!
This reminds me so much of the Computer from Star Trek: The Next Generation. The Computer was AI that generated the best information possible given prompts by users. The last time I saw ST:TNG imagine what the future could be like, Starfleet officers used PADDs (personal access display devices) for everything from reading books to writing reports.
Wow, that’s a great comparison! I agree that it’s amazing how technology has advanced so much since then. I wonder what other gadgets from the show will become reality in the future. Maybe holodecks?
Very interesting! Good work and coordination. Would AI be able to suggest a plan for areas outside of downtown (like suburbs) that would hit those 5 points as well? The city core stuff has been done and re-done ad nauseum. I would like to see a suburb that doesn't function like a highway strip mall. Thanks!
Adam, impressed by your AI in city planning. Wish to discuss EcoVision Velddrif, a 2,700ha sustainable urban development in SA, fully renewable, aiming for a transformative community model. Open for a call to explore collaboration?
BORING! Everything looks like a cross between airport departure lounge and waiting spaces and arid office block districts of more recent development concept -ie like Docklands in London . A bit of that here and there in a city can be interesting -but entire districts of it are suffocatingly dull. London has a lot of this along the Thames where it was blitzed during WW2 and it has become very repetitive in concept. Portsmouth has done some of this on its waterfront and it is BORING AS ALL HELL! Look at older cities in Europe again like Lisbon and Paris ,even Marseille which had its waterfront blown up by the Germans . Much more interesting cities. People dont feel a sense of locatedness in these designs -they are all so lacking any local historic reference and building materials or character.
Alt title: I asked AI to write a not just bikes video
Haha yes!
Can AI design a city better than a human? This is a nonsensical question.
Why?
Where did AI get all of its data to form its best practices? From Human designs of best practice. AI without human input is impossible. All computer knowledge starts with and derives inspiration from data of human accomplishment.
Zero human derived input equals zero AI generated output. End of story.
TFW you realize the most accomplished people in your field are indistinguishable from cliche-toting AI bots.
ChatGPT keeps saying "incorporating street designs from Amsterdam" but nowhere in the pictures it does the street design resemble anywhere in Amsterdam. Not even future Amsterdam developments (of which planning documents are of course available but not in English). Even in the Lower Don Lands (which looks really good by the way) it looks distinctly Canadian. That's of course a good thing, but it also means that the infrastructure still isn't on par with Amsterdam. I can see cycle friendly streets, but I'm missing a cycle friendly network. I can see bike "provisions" but I am not seeing dedicated well-marked wide cycle paths that are continuous. I'm seeing a lot of glass facades but not a lot of non-glass facades. Nothing wrong with big sglass storefronts, but glass facades' overuse do have a downside: glass reflects and the outside light and turns entire walls into mirrors. Making a place feel cold and impersonal (large hard smooth textureless surfaces). Having actual walls, colums and depth in facades is part of good architecture, and is more sustainable anyway.
Hi art here.
It kinda hard te tell scale if you look at the people the perspective isn't right. The people who look like they're in the foreground is small the people in the background looks big and why do they have big bodies and small heads?
I can draw a really good city that people wish they could live in no AI necessary.
I can make it very walkable,
Have plenty of public transportation,
Bake it even more beautiful then what AI can achieve.,
Make it efficient.
And make it exciting to explore.
Plus with better Zoning.
No racial segregation,
A thriving affordable housing market,
And make everything in 1 qs mile to someone.
Plus safe streets.
Infact making a city like that has been done many times before.
In anime.
You may watch anime and think how beautiful anbld walkable it is that it couldn't be real. But you'd be wrong because that is what Japan is like in real life. So it's been done already.
I appreciate AI's ability to draw attention to general planning concepts as a scaffold for actual design. That said, Frankie's presentation is very general and obviously actual design is more granular with much more detail. The devil, they say, is in those details. I wonder if AI can continue to be used for the actions involved in the heavy lift of specificity.
Amazing! I learned so much from this
Thanks Borja!
No, AI cannot replace humans and I dont think it could ever be fully relied upon for this field. The only reason it had any of those ideas or uses were because they were already human generated. Some human, through years of research and development and experimentation figured out that these methods work best to make good cities. the AI showed no capability of doing that process on its own, or generating its own ideas. it just pooled together a bunch of separate human generated ideas that were already created.
in the future at some point the AI would have to be able to generate a new idea/concept for a new problem that arises. but everything so far shows that it would just use the same answer to the problem that was used in the past, likely not solving anything. it would still be totally reliant upon a human mind to creatively generate new solutions and better ideas.
everyhting the AI did here today is something that a trained or knowledgeable human in the field could also do or say, and likely with more nuance. the only thing the chat GPT excelled at is writing it all down in document, it would take much longer for a human to write all that out.
Nice work, Frankie and Adam. Beautifully constructed and visualised. And based on best practice and evidence from around the world. I would love to see a review of our synthesis by some seasoned and indepedent experts. I love your work, and I'm easily swayed towards the beauty you show and the type of urbanism you propose. I think we might read the same blogs! Is expert review an option to help build credibility for AI generated content? Peer-review even? Or does peer-review in the AI context boil down to Model Intercomparison Projects?
My main question is how innovative is AI? Right now it’s pulling from the existing knowledge base, but can it generate new models, paradigms or configurations for improvement?
Power of Knowledge in the wrong hands can lead people down a meaningless path.
What are the checks and balances of the ChatGpt system?
It serves a purpose for combining information to the appropriate authorities.
It will have to be acknowledged by QR Codes and the like.
It's pretty cool. I cringe at the liberal "diverse and inclusive" phrasing and reject the 15 min city plan by the world economic forum as they designed it with tyrannical security observation in mind a happy prison. I would like to see a large scale city with comprehensive suburbs and public transit while implementing above and below ground housing which increases park/green environment
I like Frankie's pitch, prefigured as it was by you with terms like "world's best practice" but then I'm one of those progressive cosmopolitan sorts. It would be interesting to ask Frankie to alter her presentation in a way that would appeal to a different kind of person, one who is wary of globalization and state-certified expertise, but who would nonetheless benefit from a more localized community-oriented way of life.
This needs to be applied to the Rathdrum Prairie in North Idaho. The developers there are going for the quick buck and destroying their kids future. Watch it in 20 years. Will look like a Los Angeles mess.
Impressive, but not to be trusted.
Very theoretical. Lots has been written as "what if" utopias, but shown to be impractical in reality - which don't get the same level of write ups as the dreams.
So much of this is skewed towards an idealistic fantasy.
I forgot public transport which decreases cars 🚘. Bikes 🚲 busses 🚎 trams 🚃 wirk together with walking 🚶♂️ .
That was blah! I thought you were going to give a thorough analysis of the AI's proposal, doing things like showing a model of the AI's city and expounding on the pros and cons etc. Lazy
I'm glad to hear we need AI to reckon what we've always felt being harmony, beauty and efficiency is the good approach to building up cities.
Wait for a couple of years, and AI will tell us that morality and decency are better than individualism to live together in peace.
If enough people in the world start to use wood (again) to build their homes and workplaces, the forests will be gone sooner or later. This will result in less of carbon taken out the air, so that would be bad for the environment.
In the past we already made a fuss about the use of paper to spare the trees. And that's why digital records are better. But now we store and process so much digital data, it takes enormous amounts of energy, which produces carbon.
Designing a city isn't the problem. The problem is "special interests", ignorance, stupidity, greed, and corrupt bureaucrats, and politicians. In other words there is nothing that people can't screw up !
North American towns and cities have a very low level of livability compared to Europe, this is because the planners are absolutely wedded to their zoning concept. It needs to change, but this can only happen if someone with vision is in charge, Unfortunately the people at the top usually have been prompted through the system and are indoctrinated by the system. Good luck - this is a brave vision I can relate to as I live in the UK where these conceps are more prevalent (except for the timber frame construction)
Surrendering real estate development in a (nominally) capitalistic - read: profit/loss system is dilusional.
But for those already positioned in the GPT market it's coming to a tract of land near you. 🤠
The recommendations are all based on existing solutions which are not acceptable to all types of likely inhabitants eg those who have to commute to work or schools or meet elderly relatives who need care and support.
It just moves existing (traffic) problems to other areas exacerbating probs like emergency service access to ow traffic neighbourhoods.
It's all well and good until you realize it's just analizing the available data, not imputting the human pattern itself. It only knows what the results of existing situations are, not the reasons why those solutions were optimal or simply adequate. There's no possibility for innovation, only consolidation, which is a path towards stagnation.
10:40 ... so basically communism ... yeah I stop you right there as somebody who live with an friend together for some time. It doesn't work out allright, especially if the other does nothing in the household especially cleaining up their shit and not respecting other stuff handling it if they bought it for cheap and don't care if it breackes.
I would have based the design upon the most progressive city s who embrace bi cycling, parks and small road with just 2 lanes remaining for bikes 🚲
Task it with incorporating the existing industrial uses with transit & neighborhoods to minimize the distance a worker has to travel! Or how would it zone a neighborhood to ensure the people in the lowest income jobs can live in the same or adjacent neighborhood they serve?
Passive Solar design techniques can also be used to calculate the sun angles, so there's less demand for heating/AC
I wanna c AI create a map of NYC designed all with natural roads, like the road map before the street grids.
Ai is a powerful analytical tool, so it can design a city that is perfect when it comes to efficiency. I wonder what it would be like to live in such a city?
I’m a Brit living in Amsterdam, and it really is an amazing city. I’m not even talking an about the historic centre. The post war communities are carefully planned and as we move away from the car they are getting even better every year
Basically a hybrid of Amsterdam and Copenhagen - both my favourite cities. Well done Frankie!
This would be the best city on earth. I'd love to live here.
I agree, would love to see this experiment play out!
12:54 everything always sounds good when planning. for today, this might be the better solution, then 20 years from now it isn't.
Definitely! Things are changing so quickly it’s amazing.
Solo banalità. Basta andare in una città media o piccola in Italia come Lucca o Livorno per capire che il modello Amsterdam fa c.g.r.e... questi sono collages di concetti non coerenti, é un patchwork di banalità e luoghi comuni sull'urbanistica.
Ok, this was "a proposal", where are the actual plans? Anyone can do bla-bla-bla, even robots.
Everything is great except the architecture style, which is the same minimalist, international, modernist style that all laymen are tired of.
Bicycles have no business on a road and never have had any. Their speed is much closer to that of a pedestrian, so they should share the sidewalk with them.
AI really is human because all the text generated came from learning from human inputs. The problem isn't that we dont know how to make more desirable urban areas in the USA and Canada, its that we lack the political will.
100% agree! Political will is definitely the toughest challenge.
We already know how to design a city. The problem is that a lot of people are too greedy and self-centered to put these ideas into practice.
Wow!
This is just regurgitating Urban Planning textbooks. Did I miss any innovations?
I would like to use this to create a concept for a community. Would you be able to help me
This is a good tool to use for sustainable planning, but please do not discount the creativity of a planner or urban designer.
I’m surprised Frankie specifically cited Strong Towns
Were the renders made by bing image creator or chat gpt? What is Delve and what is it used for? Shockingly impressed by what you've asked AI to do in your city
Thanks for the comment. I asked ChatGPT to provide the prompts for Bing Image Creator, then I copied and pasted those prompts into Bing Image Creator and it produced the renderings. Delve is a pretty cool program. This youtube video explains it best: ruclips.net/video/J8QzRw9rQMk/видео.html. Basically, Delve uses AI to create millions of design possibilities for urban developments. You input the project information, location, size, priorities, etc., and it generates and ranks options that meet your criteria. It finds the optimal way to layout the roads, buildings, etc.
It ultimately doesn't matter, if it's still humans deciding what plans to implement :D
not so much in intelligence as automated amalgamation of existing human developed planning strategies