Hey Fam! This video took a turn and a pretty raw conversation took place. We didn’t expect it. But we left it in because this is real life! We learned some things about each other and it hurt a little. But praise God we get to work through these things and come out on the other end stronger! 💜 Drop a comment if you want to see a part two. Who knows where this could go! Lol Join us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/paulandmorganshow
The middle-east was turning into a desert/dry area waaay before the year 0. Everyone must've been wearing head coverings that have since then turned into tradition for many christians (here in Europe you wear them before entering a church). I guess that's her last resort to protect herself, unless "mr. compassionate husband" dislikes that for some reason as well
Genuine question... what is the thinking behind having sex when you're mad at each other? Why not work through it verbally until you're not mad at each other anymore? Is it because the sex is on a schedule and you're due to do it and should keep to it regardless?
Morgan very specifically mentioned other “intense situations” which would justify or call for divorce which she specified they would not be discussing during the video - clearly alluding to abusive situations. They didn’t need to discuss those situations because they were discussing their own marriage, and since they hold to a biblical worldview the only reason they would divorce in the absence of abuse is adultery in their marriage. They’re not talking about other peoples’ marriages here, they’re talking about their own. She even said that so that people wouldn’t have to make comments claiming that they are overlooking abuse victims, which they are not.
How is adultery the only grounds for divorce when people deal with physical and emotional abuse? I feel like the constant laughing is a trauma response to disassociate from painful emotions. The power dynamic seems So unbalanced. Humiliation is a control tactic.
I think she meant for them personally. She mentioned there are other complex situations where divorce could happen. But for their relationship, sexual immorality would be the only ground for divorce. At least that’s what I understood:)
Guys, I gotta say, all my friends and I who have dated our SOs for a long time and lived together…we’ve never considered divorce. We’ve never had portions of our marriages that we describe as SO HARD. These don’t strike me as normal behaviors in a happy marriage. 👀 Anyway, just providing another perspective. I hope you find happiness.
She is considering cheating on him bc he is a bad kisser. And insecure when it comes to sex. A turn off for most women. Still she guilt trips him for having considered divorce in return. And keeps on giggling to hide her true feelings. The fact that she was crying was just bc she feels guilty. There is no true love/compassion here. Only fingerpointing and shame. She will leave him sooner or later i reckon
@@jaz2832 haha whatever you say, you haven’t got a clue what Paul is like. All you have to go on is the videos you watch and your personal opinion of what you see and hear. You only believe he’s awful based on what you don’t like based on your unconscious biases and no real life knowledge of him personally. Do you always form such shallow and baseless judgements of people you do not really know?
Imma be honest, if I was in Morgan's position in the divorce question, I wouldnt feel secure or as close in the marriage anymore no matter what Paul said. Im very surprised it was Paul that considered divorce tbh. Especially with his views on reasons for divorce, I wonder what would cause him to consider it.
That’s ridiculous. Paul is a God fearing, honest man, and vulnerable in sharing his hidden thoughts. Everyone deals with challenges, and in that process struggles with heavy thoughts, it’s normal. The important thing is how one deals with those thoughts that come. And as you can heard, he dealt with them well. His love for Morgan is so evident in his videos, she should feel very secure in that.
Well Paul would have had a certain image in his head of what marriage would be like whilst Morgan would have a wider view with more value on what she didn't want after a bad experience. Do one may have gone into it with higher expectations and struggled to know what to expect and one may have gone into it with less ideals. I'm saying 'may have' because I have no clue, I don't know them but just thought to add one alternative perspective I've seen with someone in my life. Xx
Making videos like this in public without a previous discussion is a really bad idea. You can be transparent with your audience you two need to be on the same page before you get in front of an audience. I think this type of crap needs to stop if you want to have a decent marriage. throwing serious stuff at each other on the fly for hte sake of YOutube is a horrible idea.
Oh please! Cut him some slacks. Living with someone who struggled with depression isn’t easy. Also, they struggled with inferty and had to navigate it TOGETHER. God gave them the strength to overcome it but that doesn’t mean it was easy. Christians need to BE REAL. Stop living in a fantasy land.
@@honeycoco341no one's living in a fantasy land lol the husband seems to be a little insensitive with her and it's very evident it many of their videos together (such as this one)
@@honeycoco341 Living with a husband who doesn't care about you isn't easy either and yet where is Morgan's slack? I'd be depressed with a 'husband' like that.
@@honeycoco341 lmao, of course, it's the woman who's the problem for being 'too sensetive'. She should just never have feelings ever, right? God forbid a woman be human. Gotta baby the man-child though :)
I believe that physical abuse and violence in a marriage should also be grounds for divorce. I know a few people who divorced for this reason and their lives and their kids lives were at risk. Other than that and sexual immorality there is no basis for divorce in my life either just thought I would mention it
Any abuse of any kind is grounds for divorce. You can't change an abuser, you can only protect yourself and pray that they get psychological help to change.
Paul is so cringy and seems so full of myself ! Also what does her period have to do with anything ! That was an uncalled for comment. He was probably mad she didnt agree with him !
I haven’t seen too much of their stuff, but coming from a Christian myself, I get strong vibes that he is highly controlling and just not a great guy overall.
I've been watching you two for years but seeing Morgan cry about Paul's thoughts of divorce was hard. I appreciate you all being vulnerable but I feel that some of these should be private discussions. That is totally just my opinion though! At the end of the day, it's up to two what you post.
Both me and my husband have considered divorce in the first 1 year and we as well have gone through things that should’ve shattered us, but God’s Grace has been over us and all the glory be to him ! Thank you for being real
Feels like the TMI gag only applies when Paul is divulging potentially embarrassing details about Morgan. I couldn’t think of a better way to disrespect and humiliate my wife than get her on a public platform, reject her, blindside her, THEN score-keep about how SHE was the WORSE ONE, because SHE was the one who packed her bags THAT ONE TIME. Repulsive. Also. Do whatever you want in the privacy of your own bedroom, but don’t ram your hyper-sexualised heteronormative agenda down my throat.
You have to include abuse as Biblical grounds for divorce- ALL types of abuse. Research shows that emotional and psychological abuse cause more long-term trauma than physical abuse. When a spouse vows to love, honor, cherish, and protect their spouse but then ABUSES them, they have broken all of those vows. For clarification, abuse is categorized by repetitive patterns of behavior. I am not referring to a one-time “mistake” of being disrespectful. Please research emotional and psychological abuse to learn about it. Also, I suggest studying the Old Testament where God divorces Israel (in Jeremiah)… obviously not due to sexual immorality… He divorced Israel due to their metaphorical adultery of worshiping other gods and forsaking their covenant. This ties back to the issue of abuse- when a spouse forsakes their covenant and worships the false god of their own selfishness.
Check out the video mike winger did on divorce and remarriage. He goes through everything in depth. It’s a long video if I recall, so be ready to break it up or binge
The divorce one was brutal to watch. The reaction that Morgan had seemed to be very raw and real. Hearing that your spouse has had the thought of divorce will always be heartbreaking even if you know that they would never do such a thing (barring sexual immorality). It’s odd having that sense of security, while also feeling very real emotions that even a thought could evoke. My wife and I have had a similar conversation, so this kind of hits close to home. The thought can cross the mind, but it’s up to us to decide what we do with our thoughts. We can entertain them or rebuke them. We can give them validity, or we can see the falsity that lies behind them. It’s also hard to be Paul in this situation because being honest can potentially hurt your partner. This sort of vulnerability is what can make true love complex. Would you want to see your partner potentially cry, or would you rather lie to them? Long term, telling the truth through the hurt is the best option. 1 Corinthians 13
@@kamarwashington If commitment to values is the only thing keeping people from being the worst versions of themselves, then Lord help us all. How about being a decent human being, keeping a commitment to your wife because you love and care about her, helping those in need not because you have to but because you want to?
I think that the impact of seeing negative things more clearly on/around that time of the month is actually a benefit that God gives women because sometimes we can just let things that are negatively impacting us (or others) slide when they need to be addressed. Women are naturally generally more agreeable in temperament and we are more likely to sacrifice for the sake of avoiding confrontation. Our monthly cycle can help is to see things that need to be addressed and motivate us to address them. I don’t think the issues brought to light by hormonal changes are any less real than anything else. I don’t really appreciate when people invalidate a woman’s opinion because of her cycle.
I've had thoughts before of like "what if I could divorce my husband???" in the middle of an argument. It doesn't mean I actually want to. In the heat of those moments, sometimes those things can pop up. Sometimes thoughts are just thoughts. They aren't always facts, and sometimes they lie.
yesss i know a lot of people have those passive thoughts about divorce during high emotional moments with anger! it doesnt mean anything, but you def have to weigh on God during that to keep those thoughts from happening, because the devil will do anything he can to try to break you apart.
Morgan really loves Paul man ,it's really sad to see her cry like that ,but am glad Paul and Morgan are both following the Lord and know how to deal with things in a Godly manner
Prayers for our pastor and his family: His wife has been battling brain cancer for 13-14 years. She lost her battle of cancer and went to be with Jesus.
I definitely agree that divorce should never be something done lightly. But I do think there should be one more condition added (in addition to sexual immorality). I think divorce is acceptable if there is physical abuse happening.
It definitely helps to understand God's heart behind giving the divorce law. He created marriage for flawed human beings, so then also had to create a way of escape if need be (1 Cor 10:13). Sometimes, as the Lord Jesus said in Matt 19:8, one spouse will harden their heart against the other. Because God is love, He provided a way of escape, so that there may be healing and a fresh start. Hardening of the heart includes anything that violates love or results in someone's injury (physical, mental, or emotional). It's also interesting to note what Paul said in 1 Cor 7:15: If someone is married to an unbeliever who wants a divorce, let them go, for "God has called you to peace." This indicates that the unbeliever hardened their heart. Food for thought!
We are humans. Thoughts cross our minds. He chose to fight for marriage. This is seen through his actions. We have to guard our hearts, clearly! From now on, Paul will be more attentive, I am sure. However, actions speak louder cause they show the final decision your mind has taken. You are so beautiful! You know how to love each other. With the help of God, with correction from our Heavenly Father, you will cultivate endless love.
Morgan deserves better than Paul. He is so cold and even has narcissistic tendencies at times. This is not a healthy relationship, things should not be this hard. I’ve seen so many beautiful healthy loving marriages, in this marriage it feels like you’re forcing to love each other. Again, I think you didn’t choose well and Morgan deserved better.
Another thing. That laughter was really a loud cry. I felt it. The body language. Paul looks at her knowing how his wife is feeling he immediately grabs her hands and kiss her to reassure that emotional connection or hey I love you response. Wow! like they said keep it real and raw. I love how he quickly responded to his wife. Sorry people I can't help it. I'm very observant.
I have encountered ungrounded thoughts of divorce in my early years of marriage while my husband legitimately never has. . . I think this may have something to do with personality/temperament and not so much with overall love and commitment. Thank you guys for your sweet and vulnerable videos.
Years later, I am still fascinated by your relationship. It's not perfect but you are trying to perfect it. It has real ups and downs. God Bless both of you for sharing.
So you want to tell them what to do in their marriage? You do you and they do theirs. And OF COURSE when something works for your relationship then you're happy to give this advise to others too. 😅 So no, it's not icky.
@@lucamackenzie9229 Yeah, it is icky. It's sex through corrosion and there is a four letter word that beings with R for that because I can assure it's not Morgan's idea.
Don’t be too forgiving Paul. Things tend to out of hand, in some cases….boundaries are important. Hanging out with the opposite sex, especially an ex. is never a good idea…
I don’t think it was wise for Paul and Morgan to do this kind of video when they’re already in an emotionally vulnerable place and not 100% resolved with each other. RUclips is not as important as your marriage. You think your marriage is strong and can handle it; maybe it is, but a lit of things like this are not healthy. Why couldn’t you do a different video when you’re still working through emotional disagreements?
I really really really value you all sticking it out those first few years of marriage! You guys have something just beautiful together and I love watching you both together, such a blessing! Always appreciate the honesty too! God bless
My parents stayed together through infidelity. I was a product of an affair from my dad & his wife stayed by his side and raised me like her own flesh & blood ❤️
I have NEVER and will NEVER, consider divorce. It brings me to tears for anyone who has gone threw it. And I have seen it first hand and it will always brake my heart even year later. The brake down of a marriage is my biggest fear and the saddest thing to happen. I’m literally heart broken for any one who’s gone threw that because I fell the grief The Lord dose. I also would never in a million year kick my husband out of bed. People joke about it when we are messing around and they say “ oh your sleeping on the couch” yea never because no matter what regardless of how we feel I will ALWAYS need and want to go to bed with my husband. ❤
Would love a video answering difficult marriage questions biblically. Something I have struggled with biblically is people saying if your physically or sexually assaulted by your spouse you cannot divorce I personally think this is just horrible thoughts on this and other marriage situations
If you are sexually assaulted by a partner I strongly recommend getting help, leaving the situation permanently, and make a legal report if that feels safe for you to do. Get out asap!
At the very least, even if people think they aren't allowed to divorce their spouse, I think it's obvious that you can and should leave. And also get your spouse in jail. It's literally illegal to physically abuse someone, let alone morally wrong. (Plus, and I say this again later with more details, if sexual immorality is grounds for divorce, sexual abuse would be a ground for divorce.) Separation is absolutely allowed, especially if your spouse is in jail for the terrible, awful things they did to you. I personally believe that since the reasoning for divorce, as laid out in the old testament, was to protect women who were abandoned by their husbands (basically, if the husband wanted to get rid of his wife, he HAD to give her a certificate of divorce so that she could legally go be married again so that she could be taken care of. It was common practice for men to just dump a woman and then she couldn't prove she was allowed to remarry). If abandonment was a reason even in the old testament, then surely abuse is a valid reason. Additionally, just because Jesus laid out one exception does not logically mean it is the only exception. He didn't say that sexual immorality was the only exception, anyways. This point stands when you realize Paul gives an additional reason (if your unbelieving spouse wants to divorce you, let them leave), which means Jesus couldn't have just meant there was ONE exception, which ALSO means there could be more (Paul never said the exception he laid out was the only exception, either. It was simply topical to something else he was talking about). Plus, sexual assault would be sexual immorality, so voila, grounds for divorce. Most of the time a physically abusive spouse IS also sexually abusive. The trouble is the women trapped in that situation often don't realize that the pressure and the intimidation count as being FORCED to have sex. If your partner forces you to have sex, that's sexual abuse, even if they didn't physically grab you or anything.
@@arozeisarozie The Bible is very fair. Many women are respected and are symbols of nobility/grace/honor/ . Of course, when bad things happen, it is also recorded in the Bible because it is history. You might think its anti-women because there are talks of rape etc but God had those stories included because 1) its real life 2) He demonstrated how He hated that wickedness. 3) No one can escape judgement -- bad things happen because God gave us free will. He wants us to choose Him, but unfortunately many people choose evil. God couldve made us robots , but that love wouldn’t be real. It isn’t male leaning, but maybe male leading,… and i dont see the issue with that. If men followed after God, they WOULd make good leaders … since they would reflect Jesus
I don’t always agree with your stance but most of the times I do. Also I DO LOVE and APPRECIATE you alls honesty. You guys seem fun. I love that you all can laugh together, even if issues aren’t all the way resolved.
11:09 To quote Christian comedian, Thor Ramsey, "If that scene is happening, just take your clothes off. That'll stop a fight right there." He also said, "We tend to get a little uptight about this particular issue. Which I don't understand because, theologically, we serve the God who created sex. That's the God we serve! That's where that whole phrase 'God is good!' came from! Like 'God is good.' 'All the time.' See? Exactly."
At first glance, I thought that you guys were drinking wine! Out of curiosity, do you two ever drink or have a glass of wine? Not that it matters either way - to each their own!
Hi guys I’ve been divorced from my wife for almost 3 years she has BPD and we have a small child! I desperately want to write her a letter telling her my thoughts on why our marriage ended and how it was almost destined to end! But mostly to tell her how I miss her and still care for her, first is this a good idea and how the hell do I start and put together such a letter? Any advice from you would be welcome.
Seriously Morgan, an hour is too long? Gadzooks, girlie. :0) One benefit of knowing my beloved for a long time before marriage is that we could become equally yoked, as well as work out a lot of the kinks. When we say our vows, we will both know how much we really mean them, because we have already lived it to a fair degree. It continues even now, because I went to take care of my mother long-term the day after he proposed. He has been amazing. Every relationship and person is different, but this has been our lives and challenges as we struggle to eventually become one. I'm grateful that things are so much better for you guys now. Much Love and many blessings.
I love this video, it shows how much you guys truthfully trusting each other. Plus I love how you both are relying on Jesus and thinking about him in these questions. Me being single wanting a good healthy Christian marriage. Then you guys have to have that evil question about divorce. I just don’t like that word because it feels like you’re giving up on each other. Marriage should be a blessing but Satan wants you to give up. This is why it’s so important to read your Bible and grow a relationship with Jesus Christ so he could help you With your life and your marriage. Paul and Morgan are great examples to watch because they lean on Jesus not on themselves.
Haven’t caught up with yalls content in years. Honestly both seem so much more mature. Paul especially want to commend you for listening to your wife well and encouraging her! 🎉❤ love the content!
In this season, with 3 busy kids, I have that “first time” complaint sometimes. Because I’m tired! I understand wanting to savor it and enjoy it… but I need 8 hours of sleep too so….
Can you go into a little bit more detail on the intentional dating in terms of key things you should ask, what exactly should you look for and why when it comes to experiences like spending time with family, friends, etc? I've seen a couple videos you guess made addressing briefly some of these things about some basic questions you can ask in the beginning. But in order to know if the person is someone you want to marry, what boxes need to be checked aside from mutual love and submission to God and mutual attraction and basic chemistry?
For some reason the fact that divorce had her on one end of the spectrum and him the other just made me cry. Idk why. (Kinda shows you as women of God we are the anchors of holding our marriage together by our virtue and grace)
@@audriemelyn2034 sister in Christ of course Jesus is the everything of the entire relationship but in a carnal level, as women God created us to be the nurturers, the lovers, and the caregivers. Men by nature are the conquerors and leaders men are driven and ambitious and women are gracious and patient. A man well always think differently than a woman. and as women, especially women of God it takes A great deal of Gods grace and virtue that he uses through the women of every marriage to keep that marriage afloat because women will always be exactly what a man needs because men will always learn from women the meaning of grace and nurture and love. Therefore, this isn’t about dismissing God. This is the very carnal Nature of not just Christian marriages but every marriage.
LOTS of amazing couples have the D word cross their mind in anger. Heck my hubs and I have thought about life if one of us were to die first LOL. But we're crazy in love and these times have only made us fall more in love. ❤️
I rewatched this vid bc a hate video popped up and I think its blown out of proportion - it was sad to Morgan cry and be hurt by it , but i dont think there’s like full blown abuse? -----like ngl i know y’all are friends with nate and Sutton, and when i watched one of their videos where Sutton had an argument with nate , that was like clearly toxic. I dont think Paul and Morgan are like at that full blown level of toxicity (sorry to shade nate and Sutton bc i feel like that never truly got resolved like just brushed over and deleted)
Paul and Morgan, I'd really love to hear you thoughts. It seems in the video you, as well as others in the comments, are trying to cite Matthew 19:9 to say that since Jesus inserts the clause “except for unchastity,” it’s argued, a man who divorced his wife and married another wouldn’t be committing adultery if his wife were guilty of infidelity. I believe that this is not accurate for many reasons. One strategy is to point out that porneia-the Greek word for unchastity in this verse-isn’t part of the group of words Matthew uses for adultery in his Gospel. Porneia, translated as “unchastity” or sometimes “fornication” or “sexual immorality,” is different from the Greek word for adultery (moichaō). In its broadest sense, porneia means unlawful sexual intercourse, so it can include adultery, but Matthew never uses the word that way in his Gospel. Instead, he uses moichaō and related words. For example, in the same verse of the porneia clause, Matthew uses moichaō twice to refer specifically to adultery: “Whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery [Gk. moichatai]; and he who marries a divorced woman, commits adultery [Gk. moichatai].” In 5:27, Matthew uses moicheuō to refer to the literal act of adultery, in 5:28 to broaden the concept of adultery to include lust, and in 5:32 in reference to the husband making his wife an “adulteress” by divorcing her. If Matthew thought Jesus was talking about adultery providing an exception to his teaching on divorce, why didn’t he use the word he always used for adultery? Since Matthew doesn’t use any form of the Greek word that he commonly uses for adultery, it’s reasonable to conclude that Matthew doesn’t think Jesus was referring to spousal infidelity when he spoke of “unchastity.” A second strategy focuses on the disciples’ reaction to Jesus’ teaching: “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry” (Matt. 19:10). At the time of Jesus, there were two rabbinic schools of thought as to what constituted legitimate grounds for divorce. The Hillel school, which followed the Jewish leader Hillel, believed that practically anything could be grounds for divorce. It could be something as simple as burnt food or a prettier woman. The school of Shammai, on the other hand, believed that only sexual immorality was cause for divorce. Given this background, the disciples’ reaction that it would be better not to marry would be unintelligible if Jesus were allowing for divorce and remarriage in cases of adultery or sexual immorality. The disciples already were accustomed to divorce and remarriage, as the Hillel and Shammai schools attest. Their strong reaction suggests that they understood Jesus to be giving a new and different teaching. For our third strategy, we can point to how Jesus’ teaching stands alone amid the thought of the age. His teaching about divorce and remarriage in verse 9 is part of his response to a question posed by the Pharisees: “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” (v. 3). Notice the phrase “for any cause.” It seems the Pharisees were testing Jesus to see which school of thought he would side with: Hillel or Shammai. But Jesus’ response indicates that he sides with neither. He appeals to God’s original design for marriage and says, “What therefore God had joined together, let not man put asunder” (vv. 4-6; see also Gen. 2:24). In other words, it’s not that Moses allowed divorce for any cause, but “from the beginning” (v.8) it was only adultery-justified divorce. Rather, from the beginning there was no divorce: “it [divorce] was not so” (v.8). This proves that he sides with neither the Hillel nor the Shammai view on divorce and remarriage. This context excludes the interpretation that porneia refers to adultery; in fact, it excludes reference to sexual immorality of any manner within marriage. For if Jesus intended the porneia clause to refer to any of these alternative interpretations, he would have been siding with either the Hillel or Shammai school. Instead, he gave a more radical teaching: that marriage is indissoluble. Therefore, we must conclude that Jesus didn’t intend the porneia clause to refer to sexual immorality within the context of the marriage bond, whether adultery or some other kind of immoral conduct. Jesus underscores his radical view by saying no man can marry a divorced woman without committing adultery: “He who marries a divorced woman, commits adultery” (v.9; see also Matt. 5:32). This implies that no deed for which the woman is divorced, including adultery, renders her free to marry another man. One last strategy: There are good reasons to think porneia instead refers to forms of sexual immorality that took place before or at the time of the attempted union, rendering it unlawful (invalid). The Jews understood that certain sexual relationships rendered a union unlawful, meaning null and void-such as relationships of close consanguinity and affinity (Lev. 18:1-20). Only the Jewish community would know about the Levitical law concerning unlawful unions, and thus only the Jewish community would raise the question about whether these unions are an exception to Jesus’ teaching against divorce and remarriage. And Matthew, who is writing to a Jewish audience, is the only Gospel that records this exception clause. As for porneia, the word is used twenty-five times in the New Testament. For only two of these do scholars even suggest it’s used for adultery: the passages that include the debated porneia clause concerning divorce and remarriage (Matt. 5:32, 19:9). Every other time, porneia refers to some sort of sexual immorality outside the lawful bounds of marriage: fornication (Matt. 15:19; Mark 7:21; John 8:41; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; Rev. 17:2, 17:4, 19:2), incest (Acts 15:20,29, 21:25; 1 Cor. 5:1;), general sexual immorality (1 Cor. 6:13,18, 7:2; 2 Cor. 12:21; 1 Thess. 4:3; Rev. 2:21, 9:21), and metaphorical impure passions (Rev. 14:8, 18:3). Since we know from above that porneia can’t refer to adultery in Matthew 19:9, and every time porneia is used in the New Testament, it refers to sexual immorality outside the boundaries of the marital bond, it’s likely that the “porneia exception” in Matthew refers to sexual immorality that took place before and at the time of the attempted union, invalidating it. We can support this interpretation by considering two things. First, it adequately explains why in these cases a man who “puts away his wife” and marries another doesn’t commit adultery. If he was never in a lawful union to begin with, he would be free to marry. Matthew’s intention in including the porneia exception is to clarify for his Jewish audience that Jesus was concerned with lawful marriages. You can’t divorce if you were never married!
Hey Fam! This video took a turn and a pretty raw conversation took place. We didn’t expect it. But we left it in because this is real life! We learned some things about each other and it hurt a little. But praise God we get to work through these things and come out on the other end stronger! 💜 Drop a comment if you want to see a part two. Who knows where this could go! Lol
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Imagine being married to a man who won’t let you wear your hair up in the summer because he doesn’t like it.
The middle-east was turning into a desert/dry area waaay before the year 0. Everyone must've been wearing head coverings that have since then turned into tradition for many christians (here in Europe you wear them before entering a church). I guess that's her last resort to protect herself, unless "mr. compassionate husband" dislikes that for some reason as well
Please stop talking like he locks her arms up or something. He just has his tastes and preferences like any other human being
@@honeycoco341ur blind. That’s a lot stronger than “preference” that’s straight up controlling. A massive 🚩
@@honeycoco341 It's summer and she's HOT. IN SUMMER. So she should be uncomfortable for 'his preferences'? Sod off. Seriously.
Genuine question... what is the thinking behind having sex when you're mad at each other? Why not work through it verbally until you're not mad at each other anymore? Is it because the sex is on a schedule and you're due to do it and should keep to it regardless?
There are other valid reasons aside from immorality. If a spouse is abusive and dangerous physically, psychologically, etc that's 100% a valid reason.
They're saying what's in the bible and the bible gives this reason. They never said, that you'd have to stay in an abusive relationship.
@@lucamackenzie9229 Morgan acted like the only main reason for divorce is adultery.
Morgan very specifically mentioned other “intense situations” which would justify or call for divorce which she specified they would not be discussing during the video - clearly alluding to abusive situations. They didn’t need to discuss those situations because they were discussing their own marriage, and since they hold to a biblical worldview the only reason they would divorce in the absence of abuse is adultery in their marriage. They’re not talking about other peoples’ marriages here, they’re talking about their own. She even said that so that people wouldn’t have to make comments claiming that they are overlooking abuse victims, which they are not.
@@elibaker8849 but then you can and should at least sepereate.
How is adultery the only grounds for divorce when people deal with physical and emotional abuse? I feel like the constant laughing is a trauma response to disassociate from painful emotions. The power dynamic seems So unbalanced. Humiliation is a control tactic.
You can seperate in those awful situtions but not get an actual divorce.
I think she meant for them personally. She mentioned there are other complex situations where divorce could happen. But for their relationship, sexual immorality would be the only ground for divorce. At least that’s what I understood:)
Financial abuse and sexual abuse are also typical in domestic abuse relationships.
Guys, I gotta say, all my friends and I who have dated our SOs for a long time and lived together…we’ve never considered divorce. We’ve never had portions of our marriages that we describe as SO HARD. These don’t strike me as normal behaviors in a happy marriage. 👀 Anyway, just providing another perspective. I hope you find happiness.
She is considering cheating on him bc he is a bad kisser. And insecure when it comes to sex. A turn off for most women. Still she guilt trips him for having considered divorce in return. And keeps on giggling to hide her true feelings. The fact that she was crying was just bc she feels guilty. There is no true love/compassion here. Only fingerpointing and shame. She will leave him sooner or later i reckon
This was 😬😬😬. You two should not be giving marriage advice. Y'all need therapy.
Amen to that. This really screams emotional abuse
Paul gives major “dish it but can’t take it” energy. I can’t tell if he’s just playing it up for the camera though lol
Because he’s awful
@@jaz2832 I can confirm, he's not
@@Th3_ArCh0n haha whatever you say.
@@thisisnotforyou5 *sees couple on the internet a few times* "I just know it's abusive because I don't like them!!" Mad silly behavior
@@jaz2832 haha whatever you say, you haven’t got a clue what Paul is like. All you have to go on is the videos you watch and your personal opinion of what you see and hear. You only believe he’s awful based on what you don’t like based on your unconscious biases and no real life knowledge of him personally. Do you always form such shallow and baseless judgements of people you do not really know?
Imma be honest, if I was in Morgan's position in the divorce question, I wouldnt feel secure or as close in the marriage anymore no matter what Paul said. Im very surprised it was Paul that considered divorce tbh. Especially with his views on reasons for divorce, I wonder what would cause him to consider it.
He said it was a thought and he didn't entertain it.
That’s ridiculous. Paul is a God fearing, honest man, and vulnerable in sharing his hidden thoughts. Everyone deals with challenges, and in that process struggles with heavy thoughts, it’s normal. The important thing is how one deals with those thoughts that come. And as you can heard, he dealt with them well. His love for Morgan is so evident in his videos, she should feel very secure in that.
Well Paul would have had a certain image in his head of what marriage would be like whilst Morgan would have a wider view with more value on what she didn't want after a bad experience. Do one may have gone into it with higher expectations and struggled to know what to expect and one may have gone into it with less ideals. I'm saying 'may have' because I have no clue, I don't know them but just thought to add one alternative perspective I've seen with someone in my life. Xx
@@lornatw Wait, after a “bad experience”? Was Morgan previously married?
He’s a loser that’s why
Making videos like this in public without a previous discussion is a really bad idea. You can be transparent with your audience you two need to be on the same page before you get in front of an audience. I think this type of crap needs to stop if you want to have a decent marriage. throwing serious stuff at each other on the fly for hte sake of YOutube is a horrible idea.
Morgan: I’m gonna cry
Paul: Awww she’s crying!
NO SHIT SHE’S CRYING WHAT 😵
Oh please! Cut him some slacks. Living with someone who struggled with depression isn’t easy. Also, they struggled with inferty and had to navigate it TOGETHER. God gave them the strength to overcome it but that doesn’t mean it was easy. Christians need to BE REAL. Stop living in a fantasy land.
@@honeycoco341no one's living in a fantasy land lol the husband seems to be a little insensitive with her and it's very evident it many of their videos together (such as this one)
@@denys2787 that could be true, but is there a possibility that Morgan is overly sensitive/ takes thing to heart?
@@honeycoco341 Living with a husband who doesn't care about you isn't easy either and yet where is Morgan's slack? I'd be depressed with a 'husband' like that.
@@honeycoco341 lmao, of course, it's the woman who's the problem for being 'too sensetive'. She should just never have feelings ever, right? God forbid a woman be human. Gotta baby the man-child though :)
I believe that physical abuse and violence in a marriage should also be grounds for divorce. I know a few people who divorced for this reason and their lives and their kids lives were at risk. Other than that and sexual immorality there is no basis for divorce in my life either just thought I would mention it
This!!!
All types of abuse should be grounds for divorce..
I'm pretty sure abandonment is grounds for biblical divorce.
Any abuse of any kind is grounds for divorce. You can't change an abuser, you can only protect yourself and pray that they get psychological help to change.
Paul is so cringy and seems so full of myself ! Also what does her period have to do with anything ! That was an uncalled for comment. He was probably mad she didnt agree with him !
I haven’t seen too much of their stuff, but coming from a Christian myself, I get strong vibes that he is highly controlling and just not a great guy overall.
Very off behavior. Agreed.
I've been watching you two for years but seeing Morgan cry about Paul's thoughts of divorce was hard. I appreciate you all being vulnerable but I feel that some of these should be private discussions. That is totally just my opinion though! At the end of the day, it's up to two what you post.
Appreciate you sharing. We hope that someone might see it and be encouraged for their own situation to push through and rebuke those thoughts🙏
@@PaulandMorgan That is a good point 🤍 love you guys!
@@PaulandMorgan 'We' you mean just you Paul?
Both me and my husband have considered divorce in the first 1 year and we as well have gone through things that should’ve shattered us, but God’s Grace has been over us and all the glory be to him !
Thank you for being real
Feels like the TMI gag only applies when Paul is divulging potentially embarrassing details about Morgan.
I couldn’t think of a better way to disrespect and humiliate my wife than get her on a public platform, reject her, blindside her, THEN score-keep about how SHE was the WORSE ONE, because SHE was the one who packed her bags THAT ONE TIME.
Repulsive.
Also. Do whatever you want in the privacy of your own bedroom, but don’t ram your hyper-sexualised heteronormative agenda down my throat.
Paul, you do realize PMS symptoms/hormone change occurs BEFORE a women’s period not during right??
Not quite plus it very much depends on the person but generally symptoms disappear within 4 days after the start of menstruation.
Totally inappropriate to use this against her and then bring it up for the world to hear. Disrespectful to Morgan IMO.
@@morgianasartre6709 the symptoms exist mainly before, hence the PRE part. He was homeschooled though so his education is likely questionable.
Morgan was the smart one to pack and go stay at her family’s place, a cool off for a few days can help
You have to include abuse as Biblical grounds for divorce- ALL types of abuse. Research shows that emotional and psychological abuse cause more long-term trauma than physical abuse. When a spouse vows to love, honor, cherish, and protect their spouse but then ABUSES them, they have broken all of those vows. For clarification, abuse is categorized by repetitive patterns of behavior. I am not referring to a one-time “mistake” of being disrespectful. Please research emotional and psychological abuse to learn about it.
Also, I suggest studying the Old Testament where God divorces Israel (in Jeremiah)… obviously not due to sexual immorality… He divorced Israel due to their metaphorical adultery of worshiping other gods and forsaking their covenant. This ties back to the issue of abuse- when a spouse forsakes their covenant and worships the false god of their own selfishness.
Check out the video mike winger did on divorce and remarriage. He goes through everything in depth. It’s a long video if I recall, so be ready to break it up or binge
Just to let you know : Russian Orthodox Church explicitly says that abuse is a legit reason for divorce .
cannot imagine more awkward couple... are you guys actually together even
The divorce one was brutal to watch. The reaction that Morgan had seemed to be very raw and real. Hearing that your spouse has had the thought of divorce will always be heartbreaking even if you know that they would never do such a thing (barring sexual immorality). It’s odd having that sense of security, while also feeling very real emotions that even a thought could evoke.
My wife and I have had a similar conversation, so this kind of hits close to home. The thought can cross the mind, but it’s up to us to decide what we do with our thoughts. We can entertain them or rebuke them. We can give them validity, or we can see the falsity that lies behind them.
It’s also hard to be Paul in this situation because being honest can potentially hurt your partner. This sort of vulnerability is what can make true love complex. Would you want to see your partner potentially cry, or would you rather lie to them? Long term, telling the truth through the hurt is the best option.
1 Corinthians 13
Appreciate you weighing in🙏
This was a good comment
Is it tho? He basically said he thought about it, but it wasn’t a viable option bc of their belief system. That’s actually worse!
@@MaritaCovarrubias01 That’s called commitment to your values
@@kamarwashington If commitment to values is the only thing keeping people from being the worst versions of themselves, then Lord help us all. How about being a decent human being, keeping a commitment to your wife because you love and care about her, helping those in need not because you have to but because you want to?
I think that the impact of seeing negative things more clearly on/around that time of the month is actually a benefit that God gives women because sometimes we can just let things that are negatively impacting us (or others) slide when they need to be addressed. Women are naturally generally more agreeable in temperament and we are more likely to sacrifice for the sake of avoiding confrontation. Our monthly cycle can help is to see things that need to be addressed and motivate us to address them. I don’t think the issues brought to light by hormonal changes are any less real than anything else. I don’t really appreciate when people invalidate a woman’s opinion because of her cycle.
I've had thoughts before of like "what if I could divorce my husband???" in the middle of an argument. It doesn't mean I actually want to. In the heat of those moments, sometimes those things can pop up. Sometimes thoughts are just thoughts. They aren't always facts, and sometimes they lie.
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yesss i know a lot of people have those passive thoughts about divorce during high emotional moments with anger! it doesnt mean anything, but you def have to weigh on God during that to keep those thoughts from happening, because the devil will do anything he can to try to break you apart.
I wish folks were more private with their private lives. JS🤦♀️
We don't need to know all this go to a therapist like bruuuuuh💀
Morgan really loves Paul man ,it's really sad to see her cry like that ,but am glad Paul and Morgan are both following the Lord and know how to deal with things in a Godly manner
Prayers for our pastor and his family: His wife has been battling brain cancer for 13-14 years. She lost her battle of cancer and went to be with Jesus.
I actually don’t think this is a good game for a married couple 😬😅
Ouch, I know those last two questions would hurt me as a wife. Thank you for sharing the realness and honesty of Marriage. Sending prayers and love
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I definitely agree that divorce should never be something done lightly. But I do think there should be one more condition added (in addition to sexual immorality). I think divorce is acceptable if there is physical abuse happening.
Any abuse. Physiological and emotional are just as bad. Maybe worse because it’s invisible to outsiders.
It definitely helps to understand God's heart behind giving the divorce law. He created marriage for flawed human beings, so then also had to create a way of escape if need be (1 Cor 10:13). Sometimes, as the Lord Jesus said in Matt 19:8, one spouse will harden their heart against the other. Because God is love, He provided a way of escape, so that there may be healing and a fresh start. Hardening of the heart includes anything that violates love or results in someone's injury (physical, mental, or emotional). It's also interesting to note what Paul said in 1 Cor 7:15: If someone is married to an unbeliever who wants a divorce, let them go, for "God has called you to peace." This indicates that the unbeliever hardened their heart. Food for thought!
The juicy question starts at 14:05
Woww.. God take away my judging spirit towards Paul cuz ooh how I would let my flesh rage at him….
Morgan “I ain’t never had to rebuke the devil” 😂😂😂 that was too good
We are humans. Thoughts cross our minds. He chose to fight for marriage. This is seen through his actions. We have to guard our hearts, clearly! From now on, Paul will be more attentive, I am sure. However, actions speak louder cause they show the final decision your mind has taken. You are so beautiful! You know how to love each other. With the help of God, with correction from our Heavenly Father, you will cultivate endless love.
So good, amen❤️
"I thought about divorce." I mean yeah you have the least amount of chemistry I have ever seen.
Morgan deserves better than Paul.
He is so cold and even has narcissistic tendencies at times.
This is not a healthy relationship, things should not be this hard.
I’ve seen so many beautiful healthy loving marriages, in this marriage it feels like you’re forcing to love each other.
Again, I think you didn’t choose well and Morgan deserved better.
Another thing. That laughter was really a loud cry. I felt it. The body language. Paul looks at her knowing how his wife is feeling he immediately grabs her hands and kiss her to reassure that emotional connection or hey I love you response. Wow! like they said keep it real and raw. I love how he quickly responded to his wife. Sorry people I can't help it. I'm very observant.
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Oh no what a horrible question about divorce it made my heart hurt
I have encountered ungrounded thoughts of divorce in my early years of marriage while my husband legitimately never has. . . I think this may have something to do with personality/temperament and not so much with overall love and commitment. Thank you guys for your sweet and vulnerable videos.
Appreciate the honest insight❤️
Years later, I am still fascinated by your relationship. It's not perfect but you are trying to perfect it. It has real ups and downs. God Bless both of you for sharing.
I also mix grape juice with water, otherwise it is way too strong!
Haha yes! Too strong 😝
Having sex when mad is still icky as hell. Just saying.
So you want to tell them what to do in their marriage? You do you and they do theirs. And OF COURSE when something works for your relationship then you're happy to give this advise to others too. 😅 So no, it's not icky.
@@lucamackenzie9229 Yeah, it is icky. It's sex through corrosion and there is a four letter word that beings with R for that because I can assure it's not Morgan's idea.
Don’t be too forgiving Paul. Things tend to out of hand, in some cases….boundaries are important. Hanging out with the opposite sex, especially an ex. is never a good idea…
I really appreciate your rawness guys! And the fact that you enjoy each other and laugh together 😊
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Thanks for being vulnerable guys. Having a thought is different then entertaining and meditating on the thought without communicating anything.
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So, I'm just wondering when Paul here is going to tell Morgan that he's gay. If she doesn't know, she hasn't been paying attention.
Dude RIGHT???
This TMI😭
When Morgan teared up...I teared up!! I am so glad for the honesty but sometimes the honest truth hurts.
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I don’t think it was wise for Paul and Morgan to do this kind of video when they’re already in an emotionally vulnerable place and not 100% resolved with each other. RUclips is not as important as your marriage. You think your marriage is strong and can handle it; maybe it is, but a lit of things like this are not healthy. Why couldn’t you do a different video when you’re still working through emotional disagreements?
I really really really value you all sticking it out those first few years of marriage! You guys have something just beautiful together and I love watching you both together, such a blessing! Always appreciate the honesty too! God bless
Thank you!❤️
So glad you worked through those first bumpy years! And we all appreciate your vulnerability and transparency.
Amen, God is good🙏
"Let dying dogs die" should be on a t-shirt 😂
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On a PETA shirt? 🤪
I can sense the tension between you two. Must have been a doozy that morning.
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL BELIEVETH UNTO HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING
JOHN 3:16
Let dying dogs die? 😭 we always say let SLEEPING dogs lie 🤣🤣🤣
My parents stayed together through infidelity. I was a product of an affair from my dad & his wife stayed by his side and raised me like her own flesh & blood ❤️
I hope your birth mum is ok too xx
I have NEVER and will NEVER, consider divorce. It brings me to tears for anyone who has gone threw it. And I have seen it first hand and it will always brake my heart even year later. The brake down of a marriage is my biggest fear and the saddest thing to happen. I’m literally heart broken for any one who’s gone threw that because I fell the grief The Lord dose. I also would never in a million year kick my husband out of bed. People joke about it when we are messing around and they say “ oh your sleeping on the couch” yea never because no matter what regardless of how we feel I will ALWAYS need and want to go to bed with my husband. ❤
Would love a video answering difficult marriage questions biblically. Something I have struggled with biblically is people saying if your physically or sexually assaulted by your spouse you cannot divorce I personally think this is just horrible thoughts on this and other marriage situations
If you are sexually assaulted by a partner I strongly recommend getting help, leaving the situation permanently, and make a legal report if that feels safe for you to do. Get out asap!
Your talking to the wrong couple lol Morgan and Paul belive that it's wrong to refuse sex. They think it's ok to rape your partner if your married
Bible is very male-leaning as it was written by males. A fresh perspective is most definitely needed.
At the very least, even if people think they aren't allowed to divorce their spouse, I think it's obvious that you can and should leave. And also get your spouse in jail. It's literally illegal to physically abuse someone, let alone morally wrong. (Plus, and I say this again later with more details, if sexual immorality is grounds for divorce, sexual abuse would be a ground for divorce.) Separation is absolutely allowed, especially if your spouse is in jail for the terrible, awful things they did to you.
I personally believe that since the reasoning for divorce, as laid out in the old testament, was to protect women who were abandoned by their husbands (basically, if the husband wanted to get rid of his wife, he HAD to give her a certificate of divorce so that she could legally go be married again so that she could be taken care of. It was common practice for men to just dump a woman and then she couldn't prove she was allowed to remarry). If abandonment was a reason even in the old testament, then surely abuse is a valid reason.
Additionally, just because Jesus laid out one exception does not logically mean it is the only exception. He didn't say that sexual immorality was the only exception, anyways. This point stands when you realize Paul gives an additional reason (if your unbelieving spouse wants to divorce you, let them leave), which means Jesus couldn't have just meant there was ONE exception, which ALSO means there could be more (Paul never said the exception he laid out was the only exception, either. It was simply topical to something else he was talking about). Plus, sexual assault would be sexual immorality, so voila, grounds for divorce. Most of the time a physically abusive spouse IS also sexually abusive. The trouble is the women trapped in that situation often don't realize that the pressure and the intimidation count as being FORCED to have sex. If your partner forces you to have sex, that's sexual abuse, even if they didn't physically grab you or anything.
@@arozeisarozie The Bible is very fair. Many women are respected and are symbols of nobility/grace/honor/ . Of course, when bad things happen, it is also recorded in the Bible because it is history. You might think its anti-women because there are talks of rape etc but God had those stories included because 1) its real life 2) He demonstrated how He hated that wickedness. 3) No one can escape judgement -- bad things happen because God gave us free will. He wants us to choose Him, but unfortunately many people choose evil. God couldve made us robots , but that love wouldn’t be real. It isn’t male leaning, but maybe male leading,… and i dont see the issue with that. If men followed after God, they WOULd make good leaders … since they would reflect Jesus
This is different and refreshing! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Glad to hear it!
I don’t always agree with your stance but most of the times I do. Also I DO LOVE and APPRECIATE you alls honesty. You guys seem fun. I love that you all can laugh together, even if issues aren’t all the way resolved.
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You guys aren’t really my style but major props for getting vulnerable and real
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That wine glass would've been empty by the time the game ended
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Ew these comments suck 😭 people, calm down. You don’t know their personal struggles. Thank God they’re committed.
DO a part 2. This is very helpful to a lot of people including me. I enjoy seeing how real things are and raw.
Appreciate hearing that❤️
“see the negative more clearly” 😂
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11:09 To quote Christian comedian, Thor Ramsey, "If that scene is happening, just take your clothes off. That'll stop a fight right there." He also said, "We tend to get a little uptight about this particular issue. Which I don't understand because, theologically, we serve the God who created sex. That's the God we serve! That's where that whole phrase 'God is good!' came from! Like 'God is good.' 'All the time.' See? Exactly."
I really appreciate your honesty for everything. We need more christians like you! 🙌
Creepy cult-like video.
At first glance, I thought that you guys were drinking wine! Out of curiosity, do you two ever drink or have a glass of wine? Not that it matters either way - to each their own!
Paul will have a glass occasionally 😊 I don’t like the way alcohol makes me feel lol.
I was thinking that too lol
Hi guys I’ve been divorced from my wife for almost 3 years she has BPD and we have a small child! I desperately want to write her a letter telling her my thoughts on why our marriage ended and how it was almost destined to end! But mostly to tell her how I miss her and still care for her, first is this a good idea and how the hell do I start and put together such a letter? Any advice from you would be welcome.
Bad idea.
Seriously Morgan, an hour is too long? Gadzooks, girlie. :0)
One benefit of knowing my beloved for a long time before marriage is that we could become equally yoked, as well as work out a lot of the kinks. When we say our vows, we will both know how much we really mean them, because we have already lived it to a fair degree. It continues even now, because I went to take care of my mother long-term the day after he proposed. He has been amazing. Every relationship and person is different, but this has been our lives and challenges as we struggle to eventually become one.
I'm grateful that things are so much better for you guys now. Much Love and many blessings.
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For real, I thought she would say something like 3-4 hours, one hour is like the norm in my mind lol
I thought you were at least having a glass of wine for the intensity 😅😂
Haha NEVER!! jk
I love this video, it shows how much you guys truthfully trusting each other. Plus I love how you both are relying on Jesus and thinking about him in these questions. Me being single wanting a good healthy Christian marriage. Then you guys have to have that evil question about divorce. I just don’t like that word because it feels like you’re giving up on each other. Marriage should be a blessing but Satan wants you to give up. This is why it’s so important to read your Bible and grow a relationship with Jesus Christ so he could help you With your life and your marriage. Paul and Morgan are great examples to watch because they lean on Jesus not on themselves.
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Honestly dont objectively see why any Christian would consider or think about divorce tbh. You make a vow. You stick to your vow.
y’all both agreeing to being cool with hanging with exes surprises both me and my husband !!! We both said STRONGLY disagree🤣
Morgan looks so pretty in this omg
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Bruh really brought up her period like it matters and it's a youtube video wtf is wrong with him?!?💀
The divorce answer shocked me cause divorce has never been an option for us.
They clearly said it was never an option for them either, just having a thought is not the same as heavily entertaining it.
Haven’t caught up with yalls content in years. Honestly both seem so much more mature. Paul especially want to commend you for listening to your wife well and encouraging her! 🎉❤ love the content!
Thank you :) Welcome back!
In this season, with 3 busy kids, I have that “first time” complaint sometimes. Because I’m tired! I understand wanting to savor it and enjoy it… but I need 8 hours of sleep too so….
Ong i think they actually dont like eachother
Paul u made Morgan cry. That comment section are gonna eat u up. How could you do that to her. Good luck lol 😆 Morgan cheer up your husband loves you.
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Oh my heck this was great 😂😅😂 so many emotions 😳😕😂
Haha yeah😆❤️
15:02 my heart broke 💔😢
Can you go into a little bit more detail on the intentional dating in terms of key things you should ask, what exactly should you look for and why when it comes to experiences like spending time with family, friends, etc? I've seen a couple videos you guess made addressing briefly some of these things about some basic questions you can ask in the beginning. But in order to know if the person is someone you want to marry, what boxes need to be checked aside from mutual love and submission to God and mutual attraction and basic chemistry?
How can any guy think of divorcing this woman? I'm not saying she's perfect........
Do a part 2. Y'all were real and you are both amazing. Thank you. This was wonderful.
Thank you for your honesty and vulnerability 🙏
I appreciate the honesty about considering divorce-marriage is a dying to self.
This is a spicer round than Matt and Abbey's was. 😳
For some reason the fact that divorce had her on one end of the spectrum and him the other just made me cry. Idk why. (Kinda shows you as women of God we are the anchors of holding our marriage together by our virtue and grace)
No, we are not. Jesus should be the anchor. In the eyes of God, men are the ones held responsible mores. God placed them in a position of leadership.
@@audriemelyn2034 sister in Christ of course Jesus is the everything of the entire relationship but in a carnal level, as women God created us to be the nurturers, the lovers, and the caregivers. Men by nature are the conquerors and leaders men are driven and ambitious and women are gracious and patient. A man well always think differently than a woman. and as women, especially women of God it takes A great deal of Gods grace and virtue that he uses through the women of every marriage to keep that marriage afloat because women will always be exactly what a man needs because men will always learn from women the meaning of grace and nurture and love. Therefore, this isn’t about dismissing God. This is the very carnal Nature of not just Christian marriages but every marriage.
Oh my god her response to the divorce card 😢
Do not take the Lord's name in vain.
Paul is tanking yall's youtube career go bag that boxer make some real content.💀
LOTS of amazing couples have the D word cross their mind in anger. Heck my hubs and I have thought about life if one of us were to die first LOL. But we're crazy in love and these times have only made us fall more in love. ❤️
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thanks for the real and the truth. Great video you two
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Love you guys, I almost cried with you, Morgan. Glad you guys got it all worked out🤣
Us too! Haha 🙏🏼
I rewatched this vid bc a hate video popped up and I think its blown out of proportion - it was sad to Morgan cry and be hurt by it , but i dont think there’s like full blown abuse? -----like ngl i know y’all are friends with nate and Sutton, and when i watched one of their videos where Sutton had an argument with nate , that was like clearly toxic. I dont think Paul and Morgan are like at that full blown level of toxicity (sorry to shade nate and Sutton bc i feel like that never truly got resolved like just brushed over and deleted)
Paul and Morgan, I'd really love to hear you thoughts.
It seems in the video you, as well as others in the comments, are trying to cite Matthew 19:9 to say that since Jesus inserts the clause “except for unchastity,” it’s argued, a man who divorced his wife and married another wouldn’t be committing adultery if his wife were guilty of infidelity.
I believe that this is not accurate for many reasons.
One strategy is to point out that porneia-the Greek word for unchastity in this verse-isn’t part of the group of words Matthew uses for adultery in his Gospel.
Porneia, translated as “unchastity” or sometimes “fornication” or “sexual immorality,” is different from the Greek word for adultery (moichaō). In its broadest sense, porneia means unlawful sexual intercourse, so it can include adultery, but Matthew never uses the word that way in his Gospel. Instead, he uses moichaō and related words. For example, in the same verse of the porneia clause, Matthew uses moichaō twice to refer specifically to adultery: “Whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery [Gk. moichatai]; and he who marries a divorced woman, commits adultery [Gk. moichatai].” In 5:27, Matthew uses moicheuō to refer to the literal act of adultery, in 5:28 to broaden the concept of adultery to include lust, and in 5:32 in reference to the husband making his wife an “adulteress” by divorcing her.
If Matthew thought Jesus was talking about adultery providing an exception to his teaching on divorce, why didn’t he use the word he always used for adultery? Since Matthew doesn’t use any form of the Greek word that he commonly uses for adultery, it’s reasonable to conclude that Matthew doesn’t think Jesus was referring to spousal infidelity when he spoke of “unchastity.”
A second strategy focuses on the disciples’ reaction to Jesus’ teaching: “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry” (Matt. 19:10).
At the time of Jesus, there were two rabbinic schools of thought as to what constituted legitimate grounds for divorce. The Hillel school, which followed the Jewish leader Hillel, believed that practically anything could be grounds for divorce. It could be something as simple as burnt food or a prettier woman. The school of Shammai, on the other hand, believed that only sexual immorality was cause for divorce.
Given this background, the disciples’ reaction that it would be better not to marry would be unintelligible if Jesus were allowing for divorce and remarriage in cases of adultery or sexual immorality. The disciples already were accustomed to divorce and remarriage, as the Hillel and Shammai schools attest. Their strong reaction suggests that they understood Jesus to be giving a new and different teaching.
For our third strategy, we can point to how Jesus’ teaching stands alone amid the thought of the age. His teaching about divorce and remarriage in verse 9 is part of his response to a question posed by the Pharisees: “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” (v. 3). Notice the phrase “for any cause.” It seems the Pharisees were testing Jesus to see which school of thought he would side with: Hillel or Shammai.
But Jesus’ response indicates that he sides with neither. He appeals to God’s original design for marriage and says, “What therefore God had joined together, let not man put asunder” (vv. 4-6; see also Gen. 2:24). In other words, it’s not that Moses allowed divorce for any cause, but “from the beginning” (v.8) it was only adultery-justified divorce. Rather, from the beginning there was no divorce: “it [divorce] was not so” (v.8). This proves that he sides with neither the Hillel nor the Shammai view on divorce and remarriage.
This context excludes the interpretation that porneia refers to adultery; in fact, it excludes reference to sexual immorality of any manner within marriage. For if Jesus intended the porneia clause to refer to any of these alternative interpretations, he would have been siding with either the Hillel or Shammai school. Instead, he gave a more radical teaching: that marriage is indissoluble. Therefore, we must conclude that Jesus didn’t intend the porneia clause to refer to sexual immorality within the context of the marriage bond, whether adultery or some other kind of immoral conduct.
Jesus underscores his radical view by saying no man can marry a divorced woman without committing adultery: “He who marries a divorced woman, commits adultery” (v.9; see also Matt. 5:32). This implies that no deed for which the woman is divorced, including adultery, renders her free to marry another man.
One last strategy: There are good reasons to think porneia instead refers to forms of sexual immorality that took place before or at the time of the attempted union, rendering it unlawful (invalid).
The Jews understood that certain sexual relationships rendered a union unlawful, meaning null and void-such as relationships of close consanguinity and affinity (Lev. 18:1-20). Only the Jewish community would know about the Levitical law concerning unlawful unions, and thus only the Jewish community would raise the question about whether these unions are an exception to Jesus’ teaching against divorce and remarriage. And Matthew, who is writing to a Jewish audience, is the only Gospel that records this exception clause.
As for porneia, the word is used twenty-five times in the New Testament. For only two of these do scholars even suggest it’s used for adultery: the passages that include the debated porneia clause concerning divorce and remarriage (Matt. 5:32, 19:9). Every other time, porneia refers to some sort of sexual immorality outside the lawful bounds of marriage: fornication (Matt. 15:19; Mark 7:21; John 8:41; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; Rev. 17:2, 17:4, 19:2), incest (Acts 15:20,29, 21:25; 1 Cor. 5:1;), general sexual immorality (1 Cor. 6:13,18, 7:2; 2 Cor. 12:21; 1 Thess. 4:3; Rev. 2:21, 9:21), and metaphorical impure passions (Rev. 14:8, 18:3).
Since we know from above that porneia can’t refer to adultery in Matthew 19:9, and every time porneia is used in the New Testament, it refers to sexual immorality outside the boundaries of the marital bond, it’s likely that the “porneia exception” in Matthew refers to sexual immorality that took place before and at the time of the attempted union, invalidating it.
We can support this interpretation by considering two things. First, it adequately explains why in these cases a man who “puts away his wife” and marries another doesn’t commit adultery. If he was never in a lawful union to begin with, he would be free to marry.
Matthew’s intention in including the porneia exception is to clarify for his Jewish audience that Jesus was concerned with lawful marriages. You can’t divorce if you were never married!