Is Once Saved Always Saved Biblical?
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- Once saved always saved is a popular Christian doctrine, but is it Biblical? The doctrine of once saved always saved, also known as the Perseverance of the saints, or eternal security is a Christian teaching that says once a person is truly saved, they cannot lose their salvation. But is that what the Bible teaches?
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I think we need to stop trying to aim for the bare minimum for Jesus, and start walking in a way that draws nearer to Jesus every choice we make.
Mindy, why do you say such a thing? It seems clear that you already aim for the truest because Christ is drawing you toward Him. You say "we", "stop", and "start". Believing what is true is the key. Speaking what is true is to offer Light. It's good to rejoice and be glad because Christ is our Good Shepherd.
This may sound knit-picky, but "every choice we make" is to knit-pick. Also, Truth is sharper than any two-edged sword, and sharp is precise.
I agree that we need to not aim for the bare minimum, but we cannot stop such if we have already been stopped from such by Christ. I agree that we should draw nearer to Him in every choice, but we can't start such if Christ has already started us on such.
There is much talk of how not good enough we are, much warning. But we have been given eternal life. For many the time for warning is past and the time for encouragement is now. We will not be that nor do that which we do not believe. We are saved; let us encourage this belief so we will be and do as the saved shall be and do.
I hope this encourages you, and I look forward to checking out your videos. Much love to you Mindy. Peace is yours in Yeshua Christ.
We should always be drawing closer to our Messiah and seeking to be more like Him
A walk that draws closer to Jesus means you are walking further away from the world.
as I have drawn closer to Him, I have laid aside more weights that though they were not sin their weight was a hindrance to my walk, I do not want any strings tying me down to this world When Jesus comes, or I go by the way of the grave.
You cannot lose your salvation
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. - John 10: 28
Amen Amen Amen!!!
It wasn’t our work that got us saved. It was Jesus’s work. And he KEEPS us saved. We don’t keep ourselves saved.
Jesus's crucifixion is the means by which we may be forgiven. This doesn't mean that His sacrifice isn't enough to remove and forgive us for our sins, but it means that if we continue in sin and remain unrepentant, we can and will lose salvation. Good works go hand in hand in faith. There are a plethora of verses in Mark, Peter, and Matthew that say that we must strive for righteousness. Therefore, good works go hand in hand. We can be forgiven for our sins, but we should not live in them. This is not works based salvation. Righteousness is a lack of evil works. A lack of works. Faith and repentance still save. Repentance is not a work, because it is a work of God to forgive us for our sins. Salvation can be lost. It's a day by day task for a lifetime, not a lifetime that decides whether or not every previous day was enough
@@dominicochoa9925 once saved always save, if you could loose your salvation you could never get it back. God is not in heaven just blotting out your name everytime you sin & writing it back in when you become good little boys & girls again
@@rocknrollcowboy1620 you do realize that getting it back is called repentance right? What you're telling me isnt what Jesus and His Disciples taught. Repentance
@@dominicochoa9925 totally disagreeing with that
@@rocknrollcowboy1620 well you’re just disagreeing with the Bible sadly. Fear the Lord and have an honest heart man. Are you really trying to understand what the Bible says in it’s entirety or are you so attached to an idea you have that u want to fight for it tooth and nail even when so many things in the Bible contradict what you’re saying. This isn’t about how u see it or want to understand it. Ask God to show u the truth no matter what it is. Even if it’s against what you currently believe.
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Free Choice means that you can remove YOURSELF from his Hand.
@@SkyKingAzure no you can't no man can you are sealed when believing. The category of believing is more strict than how others categorized it.
@@SkyKingAzurewould you?
@@XxlightxX this is a standard argument....the issue is salvation an event or a process....and a hint is that salvation is mentioned, in three grammatical tenses, past, present, and future...
@Philip Buckley once you believe in christ and grow on the good soil you're saved. Those who leave are not really one of us or they would've continued with us because it's undeniable.
Remember this:
God knows the heart/deep motives of each and every one of us whether we are saved or not; whether we are hot, lukewarm or cold.
In his wisdom he distributes or withholds his power, the Holy Ghost.
No one can fool God!
Amen!
Yes
Very true! Be sure your sin will find you out, also.
@@libertypastor1307
That's the job of the Holy Ghost, the discerner and corrector of people's hearts.
@@mr.emaaejae6058 When people fail to listen to their conscience, and in the case of saved people, fail to heed the reproof of the Holy Spirit, their sin will actually out them.
i think im gonna live my life like i could lose my salvation and stay near Jesus.....not by works but by faith and true faith creates good works
and through works we shall be judged
MELVIN LEWIS WELLS JR. beautifully said. Works are the natural progression from faith and salvation, not the cause of it
Excellent well said ...best way to know your saved is to understand your a sinner and without Jesus we are NOTHING...we all need JESUS
You're the same as the new Indian convert who also believes in other gods and says " I'm saved by faith in Jesus...
but just in case that doesn't work, I got my Krishna by my side" - that never works.
You're either all in or you are all out.
You need to know exactly what you believe/what you put your trust in.
MELVIN LEWIS WELLS JR. Well said.
1 Corinthians 1:18
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”
King James Version (KJV)
this of course, has no relevance to the conversation....
It is very relevant. Changing wording changes meaning. Are saved and being saved are not the same thing. Recieving the spirit vs received the spirit is not the same thing. Passed from death to life vs passing from death to life cannot be the same thing.
I have a million dollars or I will at some point have a million dollars is completely different.
I have salvation because I believe
Or I will have salvation at some point if I keep believing are two different statements.
Yes it is relevant
check your verb tense.....are saved, vs are being saved....this may be one part, of the argument...
Glenn Lanham see how spiritually blinded you are?...this verse makes perfect sense to those who are SAVED
@@tlauhon26 well said!
GOD say this: Ephesians 1: 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (did you catch that: Sealed to GOD forever)
What GOD seals no man can un-seal.
Love 4Truth!
Yes I believe this too.
There are only 144,000 that are sealed. That’s in Revelations. Everyone is not sealed. That seal means sealed with truth.
did you catch that????? You conveniently added the word Forever but it never said forever! and also you conveniently skipped over the fact that the word sealed is used in the bible as a stamp a mark NOT as meaning it is Closed and Locked in that is a different definition of the word. You are using the definition of sealing something like "locked in" yet the bible speaks of a seal as being a mark or symbol representing ownership. In verse 14 RIGHT AFTER THIS VERSE in the bible it refers to it like a Down payment or a deposit. But does a down payment/deposit, a symbol showing you are God's that he purchased you and you belong to him, mean that it is "unsealable" and he cant cut you off? He cant remove his deposit? no because being marked doesnt mean you cannot be disowned. But of course to remain consistent with your already preferred idea of osas you have to be told that seal means locked in so you can feel comfortable. Even though the word used in the greek for seal is to mark. not to close up or lock in. I suggest you reread the word through clean and unbiased eyes. I was misled with this same point once too till God opened my eyes.
@@thelegendofneo Amen this is all facts
Matthew 7:21: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
He says, "depart of from I never knew you" not "I knew you and I lost you." In the example of the ones he says it to, they are rattling off their works (lordship salvation). They added their works as a condition of salvation and thus grace was of no effect to them. It is trusting only the completed work of Christ that saves. We aren't co-authors of our salvation otherwise we would get some of the glory. Renee Roland has a great channel for hammering the true gospel into people's heads. It's called the good news for a reason, watch it and send it far and wide and people will start getting saved once they understand this is a free gift that has nothing to do with the impossible obedience people are preaching these days. (Not a license to sin btw)
Amen
Triumph exactly
Scripture against osas.
Mathew 25 for starters, Luk 13:23-30, Mat 13:3-23 - Mar 4:3-20 - Luk 8:5-15
The sower, 3 of the casting of the Word of God began to grow, they started the race but 2 of those casting did not endure unto the end.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Those that fail to bring forth good fruit like the seed in Luk 8:14 are subject to John 15:2,6.
1Co 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
there would be no need for these warnings to Christians if they could not be subject to them because osas says they cannot be. a man-made doctrine does not get to sit in judgment of God's Word.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
It does not matter what your doctrine says, what matters is what God's Word says, and when there are scriptures that have eternal consequences if you do those things, your doctrine does not get to change God's Word and no that scripture is not osased. (osased) made null and void by the doctrine of osas.
Either God's word says what it means and means what it says or it doesn't, when God's Word says if you do this, that, or the other thing you will not inherit the Kingdom of God, it means exactly what it says and osas is not going to get you out of it.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Osasers do not get to interpret away or explain away the hard verses that stand against their osas, they get to read them and believe them exactly as they read.
Anyone that says, those verses do not mean what you think they mean is a liar, and they are about to interpret or explain those verses in such a way as to render them null and void of what they plainly say.
God's Word says it and that settles it.
Luk 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luk 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luk 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
It takes the power of God to evict the unclean spirit to start with, but after time has been given by God for that person to grow and obey, and they refuse to do so, God will leave, and when He does the unclean spirit finds his former home vacant and ready for reoccupation and this time he brings some friends.
Dennis Hagans I’ll explain those scriptures but first I want to show scriptures supporting once saved always saved:...John 3:16,John 6:39-40,John 10:28-29,Ephesians 1:13-14,1 John 5:13 Romans 5:1 Hebrews 10:8-17 1 John 3:9 (KJV by the way)
@@DeeMoney-rj4rj
I only use the KJV, but the scriptures I listed stand clearly against once saved always saved.
If it's not eternal then it shouldnt be called " eternal". It then should be called" probation"
I am going to use that. I would ask for permission but who knows if you are ever going to read this and respond. Sorry guy.
Phaahaa!
josh lausch your problem is that you think that "once saved, always saved" is the same as the term eternal life. They are not. Once you realized this, you'll come to see that the OSAS is a false doctrine.
@@Radiantlyrebe what's the difference?
@@Radiantlyrebe Your a lost soul, There is no difference.
In these last days with many coming deceptions, it’s so important to be vigilant about being firm in our faith.
Hi. It is absolutely true, 'once saved, always saved.' Remember that salvation is to know Christ, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent." A person who falls away never knew the Lord, as it is written, "Love never fails." If 'love' fails, it was never really love in the first place; if someone denies the Lord permanently, then they were never saved in the first place; if a person loves sin but professes Christ, they are a tare among the wheat, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a false convert.
Jesus said that whoever believes in Him will have rivers of living water bubbling up within them. Do you know the Lord? Are you seated in the heavenlies with Christ? Does the Holy Spirit bear witness with your spirit that you are a child of God? Remember that salvation is a personal encounter with the Lord. Simply confessing or going to church does nothing unless you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Ask and you shall receive! If you are not certain about your salvation, you probably are not saved! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh yours is a fallacious argument. how can a person falls away is he was not in the right place before? Falling away means away from the truth he use to stand on.
@@kenshilohit's not true. If you start doing worldly acts and fulfill fleshly desires willingly without repentance, you will be cut off. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot drink from God's cup and turn around and drink from Satan's cup.
@@iceyblue1077 Hi. I hope that you will carefully and prayerfully consider what I have to say, as I am sharing accurately from the Word of God. Paul wrote, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)." From Scripture, can we agree that those who are saved 1) bear much fruit and 2) endure to the end? Therefore, when a person calls upon the Name of the Lord, they will be born again. Conversely, if a person prays the 'Sinner's Prayer,' but is not filled with the Holy Spirit, they did not truly call upon the Name of the Lord.
For example, you mentioned that if a person acts according to fleshly desires without repentance they shall be cut off. Yet, those who have been born again will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, as they hunger and thirst after righteousness. You cannot be saved and not love and serve the Lord. Those who have been born again HAVE eternal life. They will live forever in Christ, they will hate sin, and they will endure to the end - otherwise they did not have eternal life in the first place. You cannot have temporary eternal life! Therefore, a person cannot 'lose' eternal life, as they were never born again, as they were never saved in the first place.
What I am about to write is of eternal importance to you. Referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water bubbling up inside of them." Do you have that? Do you know the Holy Spirit? Does He bear witness that you are saved (Romans 8.16)? If not, then ask, trusting that God always keeps a promise. Whoever asks of Him shall receive the Holy Spirit. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. If you are living in fear that you mighty lose your salvation, my question is, how do you know you are saved in the first place? The problem is easily solved by asking for and receiving the Holy Spirit. Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
I don’t understand how someone couldn’t come back and John 3:16, and a host of others could be true. It says believe in present tense, and everyone. Doesn’t that mean if one repents and believes and isn’t saved how could everyone that believes have eternal life?
Many people want a License to sin..They listen to teachers and have itching ears..They want to hear an easy version where everyone gets a participation trophy just for saying a prayer one time..
Wow, after reading alot of the comments I see why some channels turn the comments off!
its so annoying why they turn it off
Yeah, the truth can be annoying to liars
Turning off comments seems like a huge red flag to me.
Repentance-We have been saved from the pleasure of sin
Justification- We have been saved from the penalty of past sin
Sanctification-We are being saved from the power of sin
Glorification-We will be saved from the presence of sin
too simple.
AMEN! This is all over the bible and a lot in Romans!
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Romans 8:30 NKJV
@@labae8728 Let me ask you a simple question. I think this will clear it up.
Does the Bible teach that those who are saved will eventually believe in Jesus.
Or does the bible teach that those who believe in Jesus will be saved?
@@pcharliew Those who BELIEVE in JESUS WILL BE SAVED.
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
John Fast amen once saved always saved
His grace is sufficient I accept that gift freely thank you yeshua
Is grace applied before or after you are a Christian?
@@BokaLokaToka
Was Abraham righteous after he believed?
@@turt1231 Was Abraham a Christian or a Jew?
The Bible does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already accepted Christ were told: “Keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”-Philippians 2:12.
@@BokaLokaToka
The Bible does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already accepted Christ were told: “Keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”-Philippians 2:12.
Point blank honesty is so refreshing; many water down The Word. I prefer the shock & humility when I see my own flaw. I’m quicker to change when I see my guilt. My Savior continues to speak in parables through fellowship & congregational studies. Praise Yah!!
I used to believe and fell away for years...so we can be renewed to repentance...remember if u do not continue in unbelief we can be GRAFTED IN AGAIN!
Hi. It is absolutely true, 'once saved, always saved.' Remember that salvation is to know Christ, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent." A person who falls away never knew the Lord, as it is written, "Love never fails." If 'love' fails, it was never really love in the first place; if someone denies the Lord permanently, then they were never saved in the first place; if a person loves sin but professes Christ, they are a tare among the wheat, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a false convert.
Jesus said that whoever believes in Him will have rivers of living water bubbling up within them. Do you know the Lord? Are you seated in the heavenlies with Christ? Does the Holy Spirit bear witness with your spirit that you are a child of God? Remember that salvation is a personal encounter with the Lord. Simply confessing or going to church does nothing unless you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Ask and you shall receive! If you are not certain about your salvation, you probably are not saved! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Right and I don’t feel like that’s what he was saying I fell away and became a drunkard I didn’t quit believing in Christ I just did a lot of bad stuff but the belief was still there but I repented I think there’s a fine line here
SAME! ALL Glory to the most high for his grace and mercy! 🙌
@@EricBurum the key is that you repented of your sins. God's Grace allows you to be forgiven when you show remorse and repent. But the OSAS crowd say that even if you should die in sin you will still go to Heaven because God don't see you as a sinner.
Ezekiel 18:21-32 (NIV): "But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die.
22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
24 But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
25 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
26 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die.
27 But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life.
28 Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die.
29 Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
30 Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall.
31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?
32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!”
The letter to the church of Laodocia says it clear, Jesus says IF you repent " I will not blot your name out of the book of life" Revelation 3. much love brothers and sisters Jesus Christ is King
thats interesting because why didnt isreal just do a few sacrifices and that was it? what is blasphamy of the holy spirit?
Gotta repent from eating the Forbidden Fruit of the flesh of God's creatures.
Judgement is on the horizon because most are still eating the Forbidden Fruit of the flesh of God's creatures, "thou shalt not kill", remember?
For those who think "thou shalt not kill" only applies to killing people, have a read.
Isaiah 66:3
"He that kills an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrifices a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offers a grain offering, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burns incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their souls delight in their own abominations."
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Dennis Dier
Blasphemy of the holy spiritual is to kick against the Bible.
@Charles Pieters
the commandment keepers don't even keep the 10 perfectly!
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
they offend in one point and are thus guilty of all 613 OT commandments.
@Charles Pieters
first of all, the quote from Exodus is not a part of the Law
Exo 32:31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
Exo 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
this is a conversation between God and Moses and God is making a Direct Statement to Moses *_Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book._*
secondly, I stand firmly against osas it is a doctrine from the pits of Hell
thirdly you misunderstood what I meant about offending in one point and being guilty of all.
if you offend in one point of the Law as James says you are guilty of breaking all of the Law of which there are 613 old Testament commandments google it, so to offend in one point of the Law is to be just as guilty as if you broke all 613 commandments.
sda's and other cultist groups that claim we have to keep the 10 commandments violate The law of The Sabbath in one point.
there are two of the 10 commandments that have two parts.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; *_(which is the first commandment with promise;)_*
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
as that commandment has two parts there is one more with two parts the one that the law keepers stress the most.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
this commandment also has two parts and the second part is not kept by the law keepers
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 *_Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death._*
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exo 35:2 *_Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death._*
those who violate the Sabbath are to be put to death that is the second part of the Law of The Sabbath, the so-called Sabbath keepers are offending in this one point of the law in that they do not do the whole of the Law of the Sabbath but only half of it.
and to get out of the second part of the Law of the Sabbath the law keepers must run to the New Testament to get their reason why they do not have to do the second part of Keeping the Sabbath, so if they are going to get one reason for not keeping one point of the 10 commandments from the New Testament why not get the rest of the reasons for not being under the Law but under Grace from the New Testament as well.
We continue in righteousness through The Holy Spirit because of gratitude for what Jesus Christ did for us not out of climbing our way up to heaven don’t confuse it with us having to do something to be saved.
His point is, if we are truly saved, our true faith will manifest true works. Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit.
@@SpiritSoulAnd
This is not exactly the point. Faith and works (or our obedient responses to faith) are interactive. James said:
21Was not our father Abraham justified by what he DID [his actions] when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his FAITH was WORKING WITH his ACTIONS, and his faith was PERFECTED by what he did.
(James 2:21-22)
Abrahams actions increased his faith causing to grow to completion. Would Abraham have had faith if he had NOT sacrificed His son? I think not.
The Bible also says:
8 By faith Abraham, WHEN CALLED to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, OBEYED and went, without knowing where he was going.
Hearing the call to leave was not enough. Abraham actually had to obey by moving his household.
macolyis
No, works are not simply “evidence” of our faith-James explains that they are ALSO a source of justification:
(James 2:24)
“24 You see that a man is 👉justified by works and not by faith alone.”
There is a big difference between saying that works are “evidence” and that works “justify”. It is totally possible for someone who has faith to not have good works. That’s the part that you’re not realizing:
(1 Timothy 5:8)
“But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has 👉denied the faith👈 and is WORSE than an unbeliever.”
You as a believer can “deny the faith” by your deeds. It’s not automatic that your faith will produce good works. You must participate in your own salvation. We are not sponges 🧽 soaking up God’s grace.
macolyis if Christians can’t be carnal then why does Paul refer to them as “babes in Christ”?? Did Paul not understand the concept you’re trying to set forth??
Well said BROTHER
I am SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS! I am being sanctified throughout my life ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
this is the argument of osas.....so what does it mean...the one that preserves, till the end, shall be saved....
And in that case you are eternally secure because He does the saving. He promises it is eternal life. Not maybe so life. Many who taste of the Holy Spirit but not swallow or gobble it completely are not saved. And can be enlightened but not surrendered and born again. Tasting and being enlighted are not salvation. Jesus said that all that come to Him in salvation He will not lose one. He even promises that those that are under the blood of Jesus are predestined to be like Christ someday. To mix one's filthy rags self works with the finished work of Grace is satans biggest tool to get people to trust in themselves and not in Jesus and His work on the cross. Please beware of false teachers that put the burden of salvation on what you do, denying the saving power of what Jesus did.
@@johnarnold3696 you are absolutely right ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
@@johnarnold3696 And what about all of the scriptures he quoted in his presentation?
@@johnarnold3696 ohh but remember demas read John chapter 17 you would realise Judas was one of those giving to Jesus read the letters to the churches in revelation and mind you they were churches also remember it was to people who were originally saved in the new testament salvation is used both in the past present and future tense and remember the bible says the unholy won't inherit the kingdom of God.
It's too late. All of my sins have already been removed past, present, and future.
I don’t understand why people put out such videos without more thoroughly researching their subject.
They misrepresent the other view. First thing... “perseverance of the saints” is a Calvinist doctrine from the “P” of TULIP. “Once saved, always saved” is not the same thing.
Another thing, Hebrews 6 “fall away” does not say “fall away from the faith.”
@KnightOfTheKing No channel will teach the truth 100% correctly as Jesus does. Rely on God for understanding. It makes 0 sense for a "born again" Christians to be unborn.
@LION OF JUDAH JESUS CHRIST! it was technically fortelling the age of apostasy ie: mormonism, how to be saves, etc etc etc!
But we should live RIGHTEOUS lives which shine Christ with unceasing faith in Christ and what He did at the cross! The blood of Jesus Christ washes away our sin 😁
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Rev. 14:12
1 Peter 1:23
BEING BORN AGAIN,
NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED,
BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE,
BY THE WORD OF GOD,
WHICH LIVETH AND ABIDETH FOR EVER.
Cherry picking... Continue reading that and it clearly describes a life of obeying scripture.
You can also read before it and find the same!
22 "...In OBEYING the truth..."
Not 'In continuing a life of sin despite the truth'.
@@Living4YHWH You think your own righteousness saves you?
@@tommy.1002 You think "faith alone" saves you? Read Hebrews 5:9.
@@TheBibleSays What works are there in getting saved? I had none myself!
Name your works you did in getting saved.
@@tommy.1002 You're not saved, Tommy, and you won't be saved until you receive the gift of eternal life at Jesus' return. Short of that, both you and I will perish, losing everything, very much unsaved.
However, if we'd like to enter justification with God, we can follow instructions and receive His mercy, as promised:
⚫ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30)
⚫ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
⚫ "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him . . . " (Isaiah 55:7)
⚫ "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation *unto all them that obey him"* (Hebrews 5:8,9)
I think this analogy is fit to this video: "A faith without love will surely fall away for love is the root of faith, without it, faith will be blown away by a great wind..."
Ah this sentence in the end! "We HAVE been saved by grace, through faith. We are BEING saved by remaining in Messiah, and we WILL be saved, when he returns, if we endure in faith till the end. "
So good! Definitely will share this video with friends!
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:5-6 KJV
Ah, a fruit salad Gospel of grace mixed with works, our effort and endurance. Satan loves this, but this is not the Gospel of the grace of God. If you were to rightly divide Gods word like He tells you to do, you will notice that not everything is written directly to us. We are saved by grace through faith, sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Although you think you’re being pious, you’re not and you’re including your effort to be saved at the end which is not the Gospel and one contrary to the one Paul preached (Our Apostle sent by Jesus Christ Himself).
So bad. So deceitful. He takes verses out of context. Unbelievable! If you share this, you will be a partaker of his sins!
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, >>>>that they might be made manifest>bears witness with our spirit,>except>because ye are not of My sheep,>know not the voice of strangersthey shall never perish,>>>I should lose nothing,nor< angels, >nor< principalities, >nor< powers, >nor< things present, >nor< things to come, >Nor< height, >nor< depth, >nor< any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:39-39
For whatsoever is >>>>born of God overcometh the world:persuaded>He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day.>>>He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
@@libertypastor1307 totally disagree. The man is on point. You're not listening to what he is actually saying because you're already convinced he's wrong before going in to detail.
Romans 8:38-39 and Hebrews 13:5 give me security that salvation is an inside out trust in God and not my works but his finished work.
Romans 8:38-39 is not about salvation but about the love of God.
If you fall, get back up. Its when you lay in your filth, that you truly are lost.
1 Corinthians 9:27 “But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
NOT a reference to salvation, raised by sheep.
@@beereaucrat3233 - disqualified : From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.
The entire chapter is not talking about running the race in order to earn one’s keep with God. It’s talking about running in order to obtain a prize (i.e., an eternal reward). Eternal life is a free-gift received at the moment of belief, whereas, eternal rewards are earned by a life of faithfulness. Paul speaks about an incorruptible crown which will be earned by remaining disciplined in service to the Lord. Paul is by no means teaching that we have to prove we deserve to be kept least at any given moment God gets rid of us.
@@marydube7523 What you said is not biblical.
@@timothyseals3791 Sir, you can’t ignore the context and force a meaning on a verse in order to support/defend a belief that contradicts what the Bible repeatedly teaches differently. The apostle Paul is not worried about losing salvation once started by God.
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
He teaches that Elijah never ascended into heaven, the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn’t go to heaven, and the idea that we go to heaven is pagan and might be the biggest lie we’ve ever been told.
Great verse. Now, brother, apply this verse with the verses that this video brings up. What do you have?
@@Sherlock245 fortunately there is absolutely no evidence to support your statement. What you're saying is mere speculation.
@@chickbowdrie4750 this person is very misleading
@@chickbowdrie4750 it is evidence that he believe and said it.
"Carnal Christians" are believers. Demons believe...There's a difference. God's people, as the OT Hebrews, believed, but yet not all were/are elected to salvation.
IF you believe God chooses whom he saves, and you have no part in your salvation, as in , it's all the work of the Messiah, and you say you can turn away as one He has chosen, then you hold more power than He, and I don't buy that at all!
I believe the first groupe you described.
Titus 3:5-7 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his Mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Bob Smith
Don’t worry, we won’t always be with you. Once you see that eternal life is rendered according to your works-you’ll be with 👉US:
(Romans 2:6-7)
“6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
😌😁
lightninlad ridiculous ...
Jay
What’s ridiculous? That eternal life is rendered according to your works? That’s literally what Paul said. Therefore we must accept that this is indeed how salvation works.
Bob Smith
Perhaps all of that “ridiculous stuff” is true but you simply can’t accept it because you are carnally minded:
(Proverbs 14:12)
“There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.”
Bob Smith
The teachings of the apostles are not chains, they are freedom. Stop using the scriptures as your personal salad bar; taking what you deem to be the truth while leaving the rest.
Your vanity will be your undoing.
Philippians 1:6; “being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”
Eternal security is most definitely taught in the Bible. One cannot be chosen before the foundation of the world and then un-chosen in time. Believers are "sealed unto the day of redemption." The other side of the coin is that a professing Christian is not going to live like the devil. The good news is that we don't have to separate all the tares from the wheat. God will do that, for "knows them that are His." The doctrine of eternal security must not be rejected in an attempt to combat the abuse of God's wondrous grace.
losing your salvation is a fear-based doctrine. If every time we sin, does that mean we must get saved again and lose it the next day.... that makes no sense.
Peter Deneke I use to think I could lose my salvation until i realized I didn’t save myself in the first place
We ALL sin; the issue is not whether we sin or not. The issue is whether or not we are in
*repentance,* confessing and forsaking sin. Outside of *repentance,* we will perish, not receiving
God's promised mercy:
⚫ "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Jesus, in Luke 13:5)
⚫ "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering
to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter
3:9)
⚫ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have
mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
⚫ "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto
the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him . . . " (Isaiah 55:7)
That is why Jesus told His disciples to preach "repentance and remission of sins." NOT "faith
alone." NOT "faith + nothing = salvation":
⚫ "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the
dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations,
beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:45-47)
You wrote: _"Losing your salvation is a fear-based doctrine."_ So, what's this about:
⚫ "Let us therefore *fear,* lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should
seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
Or this?
⚫ "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but
*fear:*
For if God spared not the natural branches [the Israelites], *take heed* lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee,
goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: *otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:19
-22)
@@TheBibleSays . Luke 13. is a call for salvation. We are talking about the issue of losing your salvation. I agree we need to repent, and the reason is to keep our relationship with God right. We can't lose our right standing with God or righteousness. Hebrew 4: 1 Was written to unsaved jews who wanted to earn their salvation by works. They were not saved and had made no decision and were in unbelief. The fear of God is a reverence and respect for God, not a fear of punishment. check the original greek.
I believe it is not somewhat accidental sin, like swearing when you stub your toe, or getting angry at someone ect. It's moreso willfully and defiantly sinning, like planning to hook up with as many women as you can, or planning to set the lord aside since you're depressed and rely on alcohol or xanax to help with your problems.
@@pandemicwarfare4288 relying on alcohol for our depression is what the inerrant word of God says to do, though.
Proverbs 31:6-7
Converted yes
Enlightened yes
Changed your ways yes
None are yet saved, for salvation can only happen after judgment.
Matthew 24:13
Shall is the word
...those that endure to the end, the same shall be saved...JESUS..Mat. 24:13...
The lord said he will never loose any whom the father as given to him . That's why I believe if someone is truly born of the spirit they cannot loose their salvation. I believe some believers are like the prodigal son at times believers get weak sometimes dry get discouraged fall away but God knows how to get them back on track. He will never loose anyone who truly belongs to him .
salvation, in three grammatical tenses, why...
He will never loose but you may loose yourself
@@legendarysouls8152 ALL that the Father gives Me will come to me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent me. This is the will of Him who sent me, that of ALL that he has given me I lose NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day. John 6:37-40
@@legendarysouls8152 God bless you
@@legendarysouls8152 No creature shall separate us from the love of God
If you are not saved forever, you are not saved. Context is the key.
stop telling God how to judge or what to do
@@Hoodinator17 He’s not….read your BIBLE!
He who endures to the end shall be saved. Not he or she who went forward at an Evangelistic meeting or get baptized by someone. Talk is cheap. Walk the talk!
Thanks, Lex. I also thought we must hold on to our faith until the end, just like Paul said, "I've run the good race until the end"...of my life! (paraphrasing). Thank you again for your very, very thoughtful commentary.
salvation, is a process, not an event.....
@@philipbuckley759 Salvation is Not a " process" it is a one time event. Once you put your faith/ belief in Jesus Christ you are sealed with The Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption.
Once saved always saved by Grace through faith in Christ Alone nothing more nothing less.
Now on The other hand discipleship is costly and will cost you everything.
Now discipleship is a Sanctification process. Period.
Again SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT FROM GOD AND NOT OF OURSELVES BY DOING WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.
LET ALL POWER GLORY HONOR PRAISE AND THANKS BE TO THE ALMIGHTY SOVEREIGN LIVING TRIUNE GOD IN HEAVEN FOREVER AND EVER AND ALWAYS IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME AMEN HALLELUJAH ❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Paul was not holding on hoping to make it to the end.. That would designate that one must do certain works with a certain determination and attitude to keep saved. Jesus said there is nothing good in man. It is only by the blood of Jesus. He PAID our penalty in full.
Jesus offers His work of salvation to those who believe. HE is the one that does the saving and HE promises that those who believe un HIM are declared righteous when born again. It is a one time event when Jesus imputes and puts on our account HIS righteousness. In order for one to be lost after salvation, would mean that Jesus's righteousness would have to fail, which can NEVER happen.
It is His righteousness, and not ours at all
What a tragedy that man would think that his own imperfect works from his own sinful nature is part of God's wonderful salvation.
Jesus
@@johnarnold3696 Amen brother ❤️🙏 ( our works are like Filthy rags " ) anything we put in the place OF OUR LORD'S INNOCENT POWERFUL PRECIOUS BLOOD for salvation is nothing but Filthy rags.
Jesus said his sheep would do so.
If you could lose your salvation, YOU WOULD lose your salvation! None of us are strong enough to protect such a precious gift! The Holy Spirit is our "Seal" and He will see us through to the end!
Yupp like the angel sent to lot but remember lot and his family had a role to play
💯
99% of Christians are gullible , deceived, fanatic victims of bible warping, antinomian modern Pharisees. OSAS, JESUS' blood is CURE ALL, and 10 commandment/sabbath TRASHING are the major clues to the pandemic heresy in Christianity. Most Christians have never even read the whole new testament once and don't even know what saved, grace, and gospel really mean!..
Thank you. This is what Hebrews 6 is saying. It's not possible, be assured of your salvation, and go forth and do good works for God. Not because you are trying to 'save yourself' or 'stay saved' but instead, out of love for God and others.
That's philosophy not Scripture. You didn't engage with any of the Scripture he quoted either.
Imagine the broken down, traumatized, drug addicted/alcoholic sinner that believes the gospel yet is never quite able to leave those addictions behind. The broken down man or woman that believes the gospel and says "forgive me Lord, a sinner". Then imagine the upstanding person that says "I'm so glad I'm not like these others. I quit smoking, drinking, watching movies, i look away everytime i see an ungodly image, i quit having wicked thoughts. I have worked so hard to keep my salvation."
Which one went down to their house justified?
HEARERS VS DOERS
Romans 2: 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; Do you simply hear the right path or are you walking in the right path the narrow gate.
If I attend every college lecture does that mean I will do well n all assignments and exams? No. I have greater odds of doing well but I might not. There are people who know very little in comparison to you yet do well. Attending Church is good but living life as a Christian passes the test.
OSAS is like saying I’m a reborn Christian and I lived by faith in Jesus Christ for 10 years but then the last 3 years of my life I departed from God and died in my sins that I willfully committed and I still go to heaven.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 KJV
Anyone can say they believe and have faith, aka most Sunday only Christians who worship their own Jesus.
If you believe a tornado will shred your house tomorrow, you will naturally prepare for that event. If someone really believes and has faith, they will repent and overcome wickedness, continue to grow and value being set apart to have a living relationship.
So many people love clinging to OSAS because they can continue to live wicked lives, without repentance or relationship, and claim that we as humans will always be sinners and theres nothing we can do so might as well induldge in sin.
Their is no once saved always saved that teaches that. They don't live in sin.
Being saved is like admission into the university. If you don't submit yourself to the programs laid out by the school then you can't end up as a graduate student. So also every newly saved believer must commit himself to the programs and teachings of salvation to mature into a worthy candidate of the righteous kingdom to come.
Essentially, it comes down to who is doing the saving? If we are trusting in anything we do to save us, we have no hope of even temporary salvation, much less eternal salvation. However, if God is saving us then we can truly say we are being saved and know that He who has begun a good work in us will complete it. Philippians 1:6 There's a marked difference between those who are trying to "be" a Christian and those in whom it is the Spirit of God doing the work.
Amen... For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame. For the land which has drunk the rain that comes often on it, and produces a crop suitable for them for whose sake it is also tilled, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is rejected and near being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Hebrews 6:4-8
Ahmein, Damian.
This is referring to people who taste enlightenment and reject it(fall away), as they can no longer get this back.
This is not talking about already saved people
@Puppet 777 please give scripture to back up everything you are saying (church age etc)...
You know that he was revealed to take away our sins, and in him is no sin. Whoever remains in him doesn’t sin. Whoever sins hasn’t seen him and doesn’t know him. Little children, let no one lead you astray. He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed: that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:5-8
But if we sin on purpose that's totally different according to the word...
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries. A man who disregards Moses’ law dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think he will be judged worthy of who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:26-29
@Puppet 777 so no scripture to back up your theory of church age ?
As Paul says in a number of places that those who come to Messiah are no longer Gentiles but are the children or seed (literally “sperm,” which is the meaning of the Greek word) of Abraham (Eph 2:11-19; Rom 4:16; 9:8-11; Gal 3:7,9,14,28-29). The word Gentiles as used in the Scriptures (both in the Hebrew and the Greek languages) simply means ethnic groups or nations. There are many places in the Scriptures where Jews and Israelites are referred to as “Gentiles.” There is no class of people called Gentiles in the spiritual body of Messiah. Scripture uses the following terms for the redeemed of God: the saints, the called out ones (or church), the body of Messiah (1 Cor 10:16; 12:27; Eph 4:12) the one new man (Eph 2:15), sons of God (Rom 8:14, 19; Phil 2:15; 1 John 3:1, 2), children of God (Rom 8:16, 21; Gal 3:26; 1 John 3:10), or Abraham’s offspring (Gal 3:29), for example....
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:28-29
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL AND STRANGERS TO THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11-13
@Puppet 777 my understanding is that we must first Know what sin is, then when we've gained the knowledge of truth we repent (turn away from sin) how many times did our Messiah say go and sin no more? For example if your a Murderer and you repent and you are forgiven... then you continue to murder people have you truly repented?
What does scripture say?...
My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. If anyone sins, we have a Counselor with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. And he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. This is how we know that we know him: if we keep his commandments. One who says, “I know him,” and doesn’t keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth isn’t in him. But whoever keeps his word, God’s love has most certainly been perfected in him. This is how we know that we are in him: he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked.
1 John 2:1-6
1 John:2.19
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
Its happend only in one condition if someone accepted jesus christ as personal saver but after some time he denied.
Otherwise its correct doctrine once saved always saved.
1st corinthians 3:13
The previous verse(verse 18) clearly states that it is about the anti-christ and the many anti- christs.
@@SGOV86 keep reading that chapter
"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son"
Whoever denies Jesus is considered an antichrist
@@rodgermilner7800 exactly. The point is that it does not talking about people who once repented and then depart of the faith.
@@SGOV86 "if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us"
Explain
Once the spirit seals a believer that believer is sealed forever . God keeps us by his power .
Bull.
If we, by His grace, "endure to the end" (Mat 10:22; 24:13).
@@bobgiffin2598 "If".
@@elvispresley3234 Yes, "if."
True. Ephesians 1:13
Thank you for your ministry. I have spent my life a Catholic. Your word has helped me drop the shackles of Babylon and be a Christian. This message really hit home.
Wauw! 🙏🏼
Pls stay away from this ministry it's very unbiblical and get you to be like a Mormon.
He teaches that Elijah never ascended into heaven, the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn’t go to heaven, and the idea that we go to heaven is pagan and might be the biggest lie we’ve ever been told.
Catholics are Christians. Those that believe in Christ and follow his word are Christians.
Then you left the trunk and followed a fallen away branch. Catholics teach that only those who die in the state of grace of God are saved. Is that different from Mathew 24:13?
You are way off, and I would seriously check your heart. Instead of explaining lies, you are telling more lies. Read and study the Bible correctly.
Ephesians 2:8-9
John 3:16
Note it says ETERNAL life. Eternal means for ever.
And ETERNAL LIFE is promised AFTER earthly life, not during it! Your implied idea would require humans never die on Earth.
Yep, everlasting is forever. John 3:16, 6:40 , 47 We are sealed.
should not perish, but have everlasting life. Were not going to perish, but instead have eternal life. But... first we must leave this sinful body before getting it.
@@dikvleesachterhoofd yes, you have eternal life IF you continue in faith. If not then you will perish.
@@johnf.6942 Everlasting for those who believe, that is have faith. And faith without works is dead. Continue in faith and then you will have eternal life. If not you will perish. Yes, you are sealed for the sake of (unto = towards) the day of redemption and NOT UNTIL the day of redemption.
Ephesians and elsewhere persuaded me that my salvation was ONLY because of the mercy and grace of my Creator and a gift from Him and not due to anything I did (but accept His gift) so I need not (should not, could not) boast, --but now I realize that I CAN boast if by my works I remain saved and don't lose my salvation ... oh my, and I thought pride was to be avoided ... I can be proud if I don't lose my salvation :)
I agree that salvation is given by grace through faith and not because of anything we do. But that doesn't mean someone can't reject their salvation or turn away from God.
@@unlearnthelies | And I thank God that He so loved the world (including me) and I am also thankful that nothing can separate me from His love even when I waver or fall short or walk away or reject ... His strength is made perfect in my weakness, so, as He promised, His salvation is eternal and it's ALL of Him and NONE of me
@@t5o7m So you do not need faith or to believe?
How about grace. Do you need grace?
@@BokaLokaToka | Not sure where you're going with your train of thought ... Grace is essential (Eph 2:8-9) by it and Faith am I saved ...the demons believe (James 2:19) but I also believe ... without Faith it's impossible for me to please God (Heb 11:16) ... my primary need is to accept my Creator's offer of eternal salvation and an intimate relationship (seeking His Face before His Hand) and to love Him with all my heart, soul, strength, and mind (Luke 10:27) ... and be forever thankful for His Love, Grace, and Mercy
@@t5o7m You said "All of Him and NONE of me" & "Not due to anything I did". To me that meant you need no faith or obedience in the slightest,you do absolutely nothing. If Jesus said "Jump up and down seven times to be saved" you would wilfully disobey?
I just came across this video on a friends channel. I have struggled with this OSAS belief and this video brought some clarity straight from scriptures. Thank you!
WOW! Thanks! Cleared my head about this topic!
It's not called temporary security, it's eternal! That means once you believe, it's forever which nevers ends. Faith alone by grace alone, in Christ alone.
Edward Russell agreed, but it’s not our works that saves us, it’s our faith through grace, a gift from the Lord. Good works is evidence of our faith, something that naturally occurs because God lives in us and sanctifies us, but it’s not what determines our salvation. We just have to examine if our faith is truly in Christ because even demons believe in the name of Jesus.
@Edward Russell those verses was for Israel, they had to sacrifice animals and show their works with Faith. After the cross, its all about "Faith" to be "Saved" so in our Church age, we have Faith and Faith alone but you show your works "after" you've been saved, by the Fruits that we produce in Christ🙏
Your Salvation is not the result of good works, your good works is the result of your Salvation🙏🙏🙏
Edward Russell Romans 4:5 Ephesians 2:8-9
Dee Money1990
Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9 all speak about justification of faith. It’s not salvation in the context of its entirety. The salvation that is being implied there is salvation from the wrath of God, of which all believers are said to have been freed from after they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Justification of faith is just the prelude to your salvation (John 1:12). It’s not salvation in the fulness of its essence.
It is not Biblical. There are plenty of warnings about being aware of losing one's salvation. Most do not want to believe this because this would hold one accountable. God gives us the gift but we can reject it.
If we can not reject God's gift we have no free will.
Like say "Once a sinner always a sinner", makes no sense does it. It damns you with no possible way out. OSAS forces your salvation with no way out. Many reject God till death. OSAS believers want those people in heaven with those that excepted God.
I would be suprised if they asked God to allow demons into heaven because they believe.
CNN: World Leader of Fake News You had the free will to be saved, no one forced you. So once saved ALWAYS saved
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." Hebrews 10:26
Oh thanks to Jesus !
When we are truly saved then we will want to stay close & keep learning so we can go from glory to glory in him as we keep growing in him 🙏🙏💕💕
Therrs actually no verse that supports this idea
@@chickbowdrie4750have you experienced what is described by Donna?
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG Is there a verse that backs up what Donna is saying?
Yes, eternal security for the church age. You must RIGHTLY DIVIDE. You are sealed.
"Church Age"? I don't find that term anywhere in the Bible
The Libertarian Conservative Vyonder The word Bible is not in it either, then it must not be the true word of God 🤦🏻♂️
@@robertogarza8960 Are you really going to use that silly argument? Bible is the Greek word biblos it means book, and the word book is in the bible.
I agree with Libertarian. And also say that denominations should stop inventing doctrines, there is no such thing as "the church age", that doesn't exist. Also the book of Acts says the church was in the wilderness with Moses.
Keep my commandments and live I guess all the Bible applies to us, and we should start stoning children
@@holzmann- We are not under the law, you have to understand that Jesus was living in the time of the law wasn't he? But after his death, he started to show us the real meaning of things. He told us to simply believe in him didn't he?
There’s no greater joy than to have the peace of knowing you have eternal security.
If we could lose our salvation, we surly would and it would be about us rather than about him who saved us and keeps us.
Randy Dodsworth Amen, God bless you.
Amen!
1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. These are people who once believed but fell away.
@Christ is king you are unsaved. You do not rightly divide the word of God and you read scriptures out of context. Please improve your reading comprehension skills and pray before reading and quoting scriptures from the bible. I hope you get saved soon. Peace.
@@christianjamesguevarra6257 I'm too far gone...
For anyone thinking Hebrews and Romans were contradictory, Hebrew 6:4-6 was talking about spiritual maturity. Paul said that if you’ve learned and seen everything and even tasted the Holy Spirit, THEN you fall away, it’s dang near impossible for you to repent because your heart is so hard at that point. God won’t just NOT accept people back. He’s talking about you making the choice to walk away and not looking back.
Hi 👋.
I don’t want anyone to perish! I want everybody to be saved! So it is true also with the father in heaven
This is not going to be popular. The truth rarely is, however.
Agreed, but FAR too many Christians simply accept what they have been told and never dare challenge themselves.
*Watch* :
Once Saved Always Saved by Pastor Steven Anderson
@@Nethezbet
What IS a CHRISTIAN??
@@allenelman1233 I would say that it is a person who has accepted Jesus as their lord and savior, and believes that that salvation comes from faith in the death and resurrection. Keeping things simple, I need to go to bed lol
I believe that for a doctrine to stand that it must stand the test of the Whole Word of God and not just the proof texts used to support it.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
all 10 were VIRGINS but 5 of them were shut out of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Mat 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mat 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mat 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
all of these were SERVANTS of The Lord, but one of them was fearful and did nothing with what his Lord gave him, and he was cast into outer darkness.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
the fearful SERVANT was cast into outer darkness.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
names can be blotted out or removed from the Book of Life
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
it is obvious that if a name has been blotted out or removed then on that day it will not be found.
this is but a fraction of the verses that stand against osas. but people will hunt for anything to deny these scriptures and change them so that they do not stand against their beloved osas.
they would rather find ways around what the Scriptures plainly say so they can keep their man-made doctrine rather than to believe the Word of God.
because to admit that your doctrine is wrong is to admit that you have been deceived by those you LOVE, and that prospect is too painful to radical to even consider, pride will not let millions admit they were deceived, they would rather maintain the status quo, not make waves, not ruffle any feathers and walk as an enemy of the Cross than to admit they have been deceived.
I was a Baptist once but I left over osas. God did not allow me to become indoctrinated into that heresy.
when you have to find ways to deny scripture to save your man-made doctrine from them, that should throw up a huge red flag, but it does not because people become blinded to the truth to keep their lies.
so many people have the rose-colored glasses of their Pastor and denomination on so that when the truth is right in front of their eyes, those glasses filter out that truth so that it is not perceived.
the very Word of God has to be wrong so that the doctrine can stand because we know the doctrine is true and cannot be undone therefore the scriptures standing against their doctrine are WRONG. they prefer to accuse God's Word of being wrong rather than their doctrine.
the emotional bond of love for the Pastor and denomination they got saved in blinds them to the Truth of God's Word in favor of the doctrine they have learned from those that would never lie to them.
one of their favorite tactics is to claim that you are not rightly dividing the Word of Truth because if you were then you would believe as they do so you must be wrongly dividing the Word of Truth because only believing in their doctrine is rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
Is this what this verse is about?
Luke 9:62 ~ And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, (sic), plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
This makes me so sad. Deeply sad. Im sure this chap means well, God doesn't make mistakes. He draws you, He saves you. Your secure, your hidden in christ. If we fully understood the cost of what Jesus went rough we realise the value of us, to God, how much we are loved, and wanted. God will never reject a genuine Christian. Impossible.
I don’t think he’s trying to say that God will reject genuine Christians. Genuine Christians have faith in our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ and would of course love Jesus. John 14:15 Jesus said those who love Him will keep his commandments. If you’re a genuine Christian you will love Jesus and keep his commandments. You can’t profess with your mouth that you love Jesus then continue to live in the world. That’s called being lukewarm and you will be spat out Revelations 3:16. Yes one can be saved but if they chose to not remain in Jesus and regress back into the world they will be cut off and thrown into the fire John 15:6. So if we don’t remain in Christ we can very well lose our salvation. Faith alone in Christ is enough because it should lead you to bear good fruits (works). Faith and works cannot be separated. Just like Paul said we must all work out our salvation with fear and trembling Philippians 2:12.
Great word spoken here with the book. Clear to see. I was once heavy into grace as an excuse to sin. I was miserable. No more.....I have chosen Christ as my savior. Not a doctrine. You know......being in Christ brings much joy. I do not want to mock, fall, or walk away.
Hi. It is absolutely true, 'once saved, always saved.' Remember that salvation is to know Christ, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent." A person who falls away never knew the Lord, as it is written, "Love never fails." If 'love' fails, it was never really love in the first place; if someone denies the Lord permanently, then they were never saved in the first place; if a person loves sin but professes Christ, they are a tare among the wheat, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a false convert.
Jesus said that whoever believes in Him will have rivers of living water bubbling up within them. Do you know the Lord? Are you seated in the heavenlies with Christ? Does the Holy Spirit bear witness with your spirit that you are a child of God? Remember that salvation is a personal encounter with the Lord. Simply confessing or going to church does nothing unless you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Ask and you shall receive! If you are not certain about your salvation, you probably are not saved! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
If you used assurance as an excuse to sin you didn't understand the doctrine correctly...what did Paul teach in romans 1-5 that caused him to anticipate an objection in romans 6:1 what then shall we say shall we continue to sin that grace may abound, certainly not...
Understanding that He finished the work and justified us on the Cross will cause us to love and serve him more in humble obedience because we have such a great savior that was willing to die for us.
@@Adam-ue2ig Hi Adam. In all respect, you have it backwards. That is, once saved, always saved is totally true. That said, only the Holy Spirit knows who is saved. To gain salvation, a person must be filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me will have rivers of living water bubbling inside them to eternal life." Conversely, if a person does not have an encounter with God, if they are not filled with the Holy Spirit, if they do not have those rivers of living water, neither are they saved.
Moreover, Jesus said, "Whoever loves Me will keep My Commandments." Many Christians misunderstand the Lord. That is, it is not a guilt trip as in, "If you love me - prove it!" Instead, it is a 'cause and effect.' Just like the sun lights the morning sky, so those who know the Lord breathe every breath to the glory of God. In fact, those who have been born again have total freedom. As it is written, "All things are lawful..." for those who believe. That is, I am totally free to do whatever I want, whenever I want. If you disagree, I will be very concerned for you. That is because those who are saved have total freedom, but they live only to do the will of the Father. Yet, do you think in terms of, "If I had total freedom, I would be in sin; I would get lazy in my faith"? Not so for those in Christ. Total freedom means freedom to seek the Lord with all their heart, freedom to give all to Christ.
If you do not have that kind of faith, it is time to get right with God. Thank the Lord for filling you with the Holy Spirit; ask in total faith in the promises of God. Unless you are born again, you cannot enter heaven. That said, your comment smacks of someone who has not yet had a personal encounter with God; otherwise you would understand what freedom in Christ is. If you have the Holy Spirit living in you, you understand what total freedom is all about. Ask and you shall receive! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh nothing backwards about what I said, and its not a mystery each believer can know whether or not they have the Holy Spirit.
I can believe that because if angels in heaven who see God can turn their backs on God then absolutely man can do the same at any point as well.
This is thought provoking.
This passage is to Hebrews in the tribulation. Not church age Christians. Eternal salvation is for us Today
And this Perseverance is keeping the commandments through ridicule and temptation. God bless 🙏🙏🙏
How do we endure in the faith.... keep the commandments
Remember faith without works is dead 🙏
Good works should be the fruit of our faith not the root of our faith 🙏
@@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K Faith alone saves, period!
@@vincent7156 dont you know that faith without works is dead ?!
FINALLY, a teacher who is addressing the most obviously scriptures that debunk the Always Saved false doctrine. This is absolutely refreshing.
here's some he didn't address
Titus3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 4:5
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 4:6
And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him…
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
Romans 8:39
nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John3:15-17
that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.…
John6:47
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
colossians1:20
and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.
psalm103:10
He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities.
psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
2 corrin 5:19
For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
"You were never truly saved to begin with."
That is exactly what Jesus was talking about when he said "Judge not." How the heck can anyone presume to know what is in the heart of another person?
It’s truly sad. Are there people who have never known God and think they do? Of course. I was one of them. But that’s not the case for everybody. There are people who have known God and have strayed away. I also did that earlier in my walk and I saw what it was like to start to get entangled again to what I was freed from. And that’s according to the Bible and what it says. To presume that if u went away u were never actually a Christian with real faith is not biblical at all. It’s just a human concept that people keep spurting out so that they can remain consistent with their wrong ideas and doctrines. People need to really experience and know the Lord not just know about him through knowledge in their head. We have to judge correctly through the Spirit not through human reasoning and outward appearances.
@@thelegendofneo I agree. I think of the prodigal son parable. In that parable, you have the (older) son who has been with his father everyday, yet still doesn't know Him well enough to know that all his father's possessions belong to him. He *thought* he knew his father but really, the younger son knew him better.
That same Jesus told us. So did His apostle John.
"You will know them by their fruit"
"He who sins is of the devil"
you just got a subscriber. This is good to know
We need more people to read God's word and understand it for themselves.
The 2 Peter 3:17 verse is unrelated to the issues of both salvation and the relative security thereof.
Take care and God Bless.
How do you define someone who is falling away? If someone can lose his or her salvation, does that mean that we’ll never know for sure we can go to heaven because there’s always a possibility of ‘falling away’ right before we die. If someone may lose salvation, where is the joy of being a Christian?
The right question should be: have you been truly saved?
"...being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;"
(Philippians 1:6 NKJV)
Will God complete ONLY some of the good work He started? Not everything He started?
If we are truly God's children, we can be like the prodigal son, we can always come back to our Father's home but only if we are His real sons and daughter's. Have we been truly saved?
24¶Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
You all do realized all these versus were believe is mentioned that in the original greek it means a working obedient belief and not just a mental aknowledgment right?
A Welch, correct!
@@Amy-Turnkey-HarrogateTN Elaborate
I think I may be doomed. I have always struggled with faith and been in and put of church over my whole life. I've struggled with unbelief and still do. I've had both terrifying and beautiful experiences some of which have made me question what really happened to me and run away looking for answers from atheist and antitheist arguements. I've been baptized twice, once into a fundamentalist type church and once into a pentecostal type church. To be honest I still am unsure about anything in the nature of reality and whats going on. I wish I could come to a lasting faith, but perhaps it's too late for me. I really don't know. I remember the feeling of the Holy Spirit washing through me.. well that's what I thought it was but still struggle to believe and hold fast. The world is getting so dark now, I don't know what to do really
You are not doomed. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV
My suggestion would be to get yourself a King James Bible (yes, it does matter which translation you read and study from) and dive into the Word with a humble heart and call upon the name Jesus and He will lead you and guide you.
There are multitudes of false teachings that are one click away, and Satan is taking full advantage of social media and a generation that is relying on others to interpret the Scriptures for them!
This man is so unbelievably incorrect in "his" understanding of every single passage that he used to express his own personal beliefs. Jesus shed His blood and it was sufficient to cover our sins! It is not up to us as to whether or not "we" can prove ourselves worthy. None is worthy! Focus on Jesus; especially the name Jesus. Don't buy into the attack on His name that is permeating social media. I have been in a backsliding situation where I had a face to face encounter with a familiar spirit (demon if you will) and it took everything in my being to say Jesus, but once I was able to utter His precious name, it fled and was seen no more! There is a reason that there are so many who choose to use other names for our Redeemer and tell you that the name Jesus is not what we are to call Him. "There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved"
Read Acts 4:1-12 for full context! God bless and I hope that this brings you comfort.
Pray to God to impress you with the correct interpretations when you read his word. This life is a battle and we need to walk continually with God and ask Him into our life. We don't fail when we remain grafted into Him. 1 Corinthians 10:13 says there is no temptation that Christ has not faced that is common to man and He will provide a way of escape so you can endure. When we do fail, Hebrews 7:25 says Christ always lives to intercede for us. Ezekiel 36:26-27 says that God will give us a new heart and put his Spirit within us and cause us to walk in His statues. Over and over the Bible shows us that God loves so much and has given us the greatest gift, that of salvation. But, with God we have freedom to leave Him and that gift at any time; the evil one offers no such freedom to leave. Remember that everybody's conversion is different, for some it is earth shaking, for others, the quiet realization of what the most powerful being in the universe has done for them. The feelings we experience at conversion are not a barometer of how effective the conversion is.
Notice that the Bible says when the believer sins, we have an advocate with the father. That is something different from the unbelievers who sin. And either you believe that Christ paid the penalty for our sins or you don’t.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Great scriptures that prove he is wrong in his teaching!
@Janaina Ribeiro can you find a verse to support that?
Once saved always saved... Or else.... Twice lost always lost.... I mean, who do these people think they are in the eyes of the Lord? ALL SOULS ARE LOST... that's a fact.... Jesus saves those that are lost.... THAT'S A FACT.... Sinners are dead in God's eyes.... THAT'S A FACT... Sinners CANNOT help God save them... THAT'S A FACT!!!
I seen many post on vodeos like theses but you posted a awesome post. God Bless.
destined destined I like it brother! Keep preaching! It’s good to hear some Truth once in a while I tell you! :). Amen.
1 Corinth 5: [5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.-- & this was fornication.
R Toguidver perfect also 1 John 3:9
Thank you, i have been struggling with this issue since 2014.
1 Corinthians 3:15, NLT: But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames. 1 Corinthians 3:15, CSB: If anyone's work is burned up, he will experience loss, but he himself will be saved--but only as through fire.
I don't think you can know you are saved, but I think you can be confident that you are
You can know
Well I don’t think you exegete the word properly then brother.
“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.”
1 John 5:13 ESV
This guy differently gets God's message. It's so great to finally hear someone preach the truth.
This guy is a liar. You can't lose your salvation
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9
@@flyingsourdough1619 this isn't confirmation of enternal saving..it's written God does forgive our sins..do u mean we shallnot sin again
It's only in trusting God that we obey him. God clearly told us that the lawless he will not know. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart ye that work iniquity.
@@jasonlayman8817 That verse explains salvation is not of works
@@jasonlayman8817 If a man puts his trust in the gospel for salvation and then falls into sin, what should he do to gain his salvation back?
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Do I need to trust that he paid for my sin in full and rose from the dead in order to get saved again?
Good video, what translation of the bible was that you were reading?
If a justified person becomes condemned for the same crimes then the judge is corrupt... Let that sink in
We are saved by grace thru faith
Exactly! *Through* faith . . . NOT just because we *have* faith. *Through* faith that God exists and rewards, we could, and might, choose to "come to God" on His terms:
⚫ "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." (Hebrews 11:6)
It's the choice - to "come to God" on His terms - that matters. For THAT we are promised His mercy:
⚫ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30)
⚫ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
⚫ "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him . . . " (Isaiah 55:7)
amen
Ummm... No. Jesus is the author and perfecter of faith. You cannot lose your salvation. Your interpretation of the scriptures is flawed on this topic. But I still love you with the love of the Lord.
So you can not lose your faith/ belief in Christ? Sounds like forced worship.
@@BokaLokaToka What it sounds like is the creator of the world and all it contains giving His creation a free gift through the death and resurrection of His son, Jesus Christ. So, if your works cannot save you they surely cannot cause you to lose your salvation. But let's be clear. Jesus said, if you love me you will keep my commandments. Those who are saved follow the savior. Salvation is not a license to sin. It is a cause to praise and worship our redeemer.
@@vendradi correct so if we keep on sinning and at some later point reject Him after professing belief in Christ then there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin. You will know them by their fruit.
Ephesians 1:4
“According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”
It says in Romans that we've been set free from sin to become slaves of righteousness. When you are born again you gain a distaste for sinful things even if you stumble and fall or have struggles in your life your desire will always be towards righteousness. I spent many years backslidden. But I did not give up my faith in Jesus. There's always hope of repentance and being healed. The Bible says God is married to the backslider. The only way to lose the presence of the Holy Spirit is to stop believing in him. Jesus said judgement comes because of unbelief. Because that's the only sin that God cannot forgive. And if we say we have no sin we are a liar but if we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.
according to your understanding (which is dead wrong) a person can never get their salvation back.
No I think backsliding temporarily is not losing your salvation but a permanent lack of faith and moving away from God means you lose salvation and not abided in Christ
Remember God knows who will be saved in the end
@@kM-ij2ly what you’re saying is subjective. Who determines how much backsliding, how much moving away? Is there a scale? When would you know when the line has been crossed?
@@BryanLChess It is subjective but it is true. Down to God. Also we know when we return as prodigals which is what God wants. We know if we have the Holy Spirit in us
@@kM-ij2ly hello, I disagree. When we are sealed with the Holy Spirit, it’s eternal. If we could lose our salvation it would mean Lord Jesus sacrifice wasn’t enough, and that’s not true. Salvation is not based on our actions, that would make salvation works based and it’s definitely not. What we do after we are saved will be judged at the judgment seat of Christ for rewards or loss of rewards.
@@BryanLChess I understand but a lot of scriptures say we can depart from the faith ie stop believing and not be saved in the end
1 Timothy 4
King James Version
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Matthew 24:13
“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
John 15
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
ETC
So did Jesus lie when he said no man can pluck you out of my hand?
No man can pluck you out from his hands IF you remain a FAITHFUL follower and OBEDIENT to him read John
@@renoaba-a6431
I've read John.
And I also know that Jesus imputed himself for us, and succours those of us believers of the gospel of the dispensation of grace, who fall into Satan's powerful temptations, which we sometimes can't resist because of the infused infirmity of the sin nature in our flesh, but in that, keeping God's Commandments, (IN OUR MINDS AND HEARTS) guides our conscience and keeps us aware of what's not pleasing to God rendering us uncomfortable and regretful, knowing we have done something that was not pleasing to him.
THIS is where the reality of Jesus' proactive power then comes in and works to transform our minds making it possible to overcome and resist that temptation in the future.
He has already propitiated and justified us, as part of his sacrifice for us, on the cross.
Those who claim to be saved and love God and Christ, but MOCK the LIBERTY of his grace using it as justification for their desire to continue in sin, are not and cannot be recognized and accepted by him.
Therefore it is impossible for any believer, based on the inspired gospel of Paul, as it is written in Romans Chapters 1thru16, to lose their salvation.
@@renoaba-a6431
EXACTLY!🎯
If we are his sheep, hear and recognize his voice and follow him uncompromisingly, we CANNOT lose our salvation because he proactively prevents it.
From what I understand, it’s not God who rejects us, but us who decide the God isn’t enough and we put our faith in something else, such as the mark of the beast.
I agree with you completely. But there is a bit of a problem with the verses you showed. One says: "And they also, it they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." The other earlier verse: "For it is impossible for those once enlightened...to renew them again to repentance..." Any ideas on how to make those two verses work in harmony?
Being a partaker of the Holy Spirit doesn't indicate they were saved. The whole book of Hebrews talks about belief versus unbelief. The partakers of the Holy Spirit are those that have had the revelation of Christ by the Holy Spirit and rejected it.
I have wondered what the word "partaker" really meant, and this makes sense.
Paul Elliott Absolutely correct. I think many start with a presupposition about Hebrews 6 and hinge their interpretation on a single phrase or phrases without examining what the Hebrew writer was trying to communicate which is apostasy does not happen outside the Christian community but within.
Was the person a partaker of the Holy Spirit without believing? If he believed then was he not saved? Why would the Holy Spirit let an unbeliever (unsaved person) to be His partaker? Partaker = partner
@@BelievestThouThis Being a partaker of the Holy Spirit means the Spirit revealed the Gospel to them. It doesn't mean they believed
@@paulelliott8062 The Spirit reveals the Gospel to millions of people all the time. Some reject many times but later accept the gospel. Your explanation to suit your theory is wrong.
John 6:28-29
28
Then said they unto him,
What shall we do,
that we might work the works of God?
29
Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Hi Lex, In light of Heb 6:4-8, what about "backsliding" and then the person repents and produces fruit of repentance? I'm honestly confused
I hope you endure to the end. Hard times are here and it will only get worse.
We have to finish the race.
ajgYT09 you are welcome to disagree. "Once saved, always saved" dotrine teaches people they have a license to sin, which is not the case. Read Ezekiel 18. Many believers never grow beyond a certain point because they don't truly love God with all their heart. They believe in ceremonial Christianity and have weekend/weakened Warrior faith.
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You cant race to heaven without being born again .
So you're sinless?
@@562mjohnson I am not sinless, I am forgiven and I seek to have a circumcised heart more and more every day.
Enduring our faith in the end makes more sense to me since the stories of the scripture makes life of those before us one challenging journey to test the faith.
hey thanks for this, but which bible were using in this video to show us the scriptures?
Once saved, always saved! I was 6 when I was saved, 8 when I was baptized. Addiction took hold of my life in my 20s and I denounced my faith. For 10 years I hated Christians and I hated the church. I did not believe in God and saw Christianity as a way to control the masses. I had periods of hating God, not believing in God at all to just believing in some kind of higher power but thinking the Bible was a total sham. Bottom line though was that I wanted to do what I wanted to do and not experience guilt or shame over it. Didn't work lol.
God brought me back right before I got sober and now AA teaches me how to have a healthy relationship with God. I ran from God for 10 years but I never lost my salvation even though I didn't believe in it at the time.
*God created time and therefore is not bound by it! When I gave my life to him at 6 years old, He forgave me of every sin- past, present and Future including the sin of denying Him before others. He knew when I was 6 years old that I was going to denounce him for 10 years.
I know I meant it in my childhood when I became a Christian. I know my name was sealed in the book of Life when I was six years old.
I prayed the refiners prayer when I was 18 right before I started using. That's a prayer where we ask God to draw out our impurities. I had no idea what I was in for when I prayed that prayer. There was a lot of junk in my soul that I was not aware of that needed to be brought to the surface. My faith is stronger today because I walked away from God for 10 years. God has used my mess and turned it into a message. I loved God and served God with all my heart in my childhood, teen and early adult years. I decided later that I was not a Christian anymore but because no one could pluck me from his hand, including me, God never let me go. I was His.
It seems like people almost forget that God exists outside of time. We see our sins and salvation in a timeline whereas God already knows our entire story. He knew before he made me that I was going to rebel and blaspheme his name. Rebellion is part of my walk with God, and I was already forgiven for it 2,000 years ago on the cross. Putting things into a timeline, I was forgiven for that sin at 6 years old.
@risingStar You need to read Hebrews in context. It's talking about people who taste of the Spirit but never get saved. It's talking about the Jews being given the gospel and being warned about the dangers of ignoring it and going back to Judaism.
@@user-yv3lr9xj9z it says to be "brought Bac to repentance" meaning they repented... But now have fallen away