Mr Holland changed his story. Read his sworn testimony to the Warren Commission, given with his own lawyer present. Holland also lied about seeing Kennedy's foot over the side of the limo.
Except, smokeless powder for bullets were invented in the 1880s. Wouldn’t the conspirators have known enough NOT to use black powder shells which, apparently, all the men standing on the overpass said they saw! Mr. Lane seems emphatic to point this out in every interview with these guys. Perhaps that’s why they weren’t questioned by the Warren Commission-if you’re lying or mistaken in one area of testimony you might be the same way in others…
They're telling the truth but they're misinterpreting what they saw. A guy standing next to them, Nolan Potter, saw a puff of smoke that he claims was in front of the depository. Keep in mind that where these guys were standing, the fence was directly between them and the depository. Any shots from Oswald in the 6th floor window would've sounded to them like it came from the fence area.
President Lyndon B. Johnson appointed the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, commonly called the Warren Commission, by Executive Order (E.O. 11130) on November 29, 1963. LBJs people changed the route of caravan, by changing the destination! Both LBJs girl friend and wife said, LBJ told them he'd be done with the, Kennedys after Dallas. LBJ hated them so much, he refused to allow pictures of Kennedy at his ranch. Kennedy had criminal investigation(s) on LBJ on going, till he was killed!
You can literally listen to the phone conversation between LBJ and Hoover that occurred a few days after the assassination, where they talk about the potential members of the Warren Commission and the importance of making sure the investigation determines that it was a lone gunman.
"I always thought it peculiar. But that's the way they did business." He's a railroad inspector. I believe he has more than adequate facilities of observation.
This guy was standing on the overpass looking down at Elm street. That is a perfect view to see everything. I was there a few years ago standing right where he was at. In back of me was the railroad tracks and the entrance to the Stemmons Freeway ramp. He not only saw the smoke coming from behind the picket fence, most likely, he saw the limousine with the President getting shot directly below him. My God, that man must have so much sorrow and pain. I can see it in his eyes to witness something that horrific. I feel bad that he had to witness that.
Lee Bowers was the train switch man that saw 2 cars drive behind the picket fence. He noticed men standing in 2 separate areas behind there. 2 of them were dressed I police uniforms. They had walkie talkies and were coordinating the big event. Bowers saw a flash of smoke behind there. Also there were other witnesses that saw men behind there. A deaf mute who witnessed them from above the bridge along with railroad men. Also there was a young fellow WI a camera taking pics. The cop from behind the fence confiscated his film. He wanted to take the camera too. But the young military aged guy told him, it was his mother's camera. There were lots of witnesses that saw action behind that fence. None were called on, for their testimony by the WC. Many of the eye witnesses tragically died from strange deaths right after the assassination. Many were afraid to come forward. Many were forced to change their testimony. The Parkland Hospital doctors observed different gunshot wounds on Kennedy's head and an entrance wound on his throat. There was a conspiracy and it was orchestrated from higher up. They wanted Kennedy out of the way, permanently!!!!
@@nightowl5475 The two men that Bowers said he saw were on the south side of the fence, not the north side, and he literally said that there was no there at the wooden fence the moment the shots were fired. He described the two men he saw--on the south side of the fence--as "...Ah - one of them, as I recall, was a middle-aged man, fairly heavy-set with - what looked like a white shirt. Uh - he remained in sight practically all of the time. The other individual was uh - slighter build and had either a plaid jacket or a plaid shirt..."
@@nightowl5475 There was no "they," there was literally no one behind the picket fence according to Bowers. The south side of the fence is where the grass is, in front of the fence, where Zapruder and others were. So yes, they were doing nothing, because there was no one there. It would be absolutely impossible for someone to stand there with a gun and shoot Kennedy and not have everyone right in that area see them, and not be caught immediately by the police and others who ran up there. No one was seen behind the fence when the police and others ran up there because there was no one behind the fence. That is completely in line with the forensic and ballistics evidence as well, which has shown that the injuries to Kennedy and his head movements are consistent only with a shot from behind. See "Gunshot-wound dynamics model for John F. Kennedy assassination" online, for example.
I'll go to my grave NEVER believing that Oswald acted alone. Post Script...(7 months later) The real truth is that we will never know the real truth. Over time the story gets muddied with innuendo, half truths, lies and all the other garbage that gets thrown into the mix. Best you can do is read everything you can on it and form your own opinions.
Read the book On the Trail of the Assassins by Jim Garrison, which the movie JFK was supposedly based on in actuality is more of a mockery love it when compared to the information that is actually in the book. For example, one of the most important Witnesses in the book was Perry Russo, but his testimony was actually part of the testimony of the made-up character played by Todd bacon in the movie. Jim Garrison makes a compelling argument in his book for Oswald being a patsy set up to take the blame, as well as being a CIA operative who thought he was actually fighting communism.
LHO was only a patsy in all of this. pre- designated patsy set up by the CIA and Mafia. paraffin test conducted soon after the event showed no gunpowder residue on his hands. co-workers saw him calmly drinking a Coke in the DSBD bldg lunchroom. expert conducted fingerprint analysis of boxes in the sniper's nest showed Malcolm Wallace was the DSBD bldg shooter. the look of utter disbelief on LHO's face when a reporter told him he was the prime suspect in the president's assassination.
@@michaelattoe5710 Jim Garrison lied about the 3 tramps not being ID'd and cleared, about the parade route being changed, about Oswald being in the TSBD doorway, etc. He was a paranoid crackpot who implicated ALL of the following as being conspirators and accessories: FBI CIA Secret Service Dallas PD 3 governors, Ronald Reagan included Johnny Carson Bobby Kennedy lawyers defending people he suspected conspiracy authors critical of him a Marine buddy of Oswald's Garrison decided was an "Oswald lookalike" a man who had made inflammatory comments about Kennedy and who had been in El Paso during the assassination Cuban guerrillas neo-Nazis NBC CBS Newsweek L.A. Times Washington Post John Birch Society 13 State Regional Democratic Organization White Russian Community NASA oil industry aerospace industry the telephone company ("an extension of the US government!") gays and masochists pulling off a "homosexual thrill killing" Garrison's "case" against an innocent man whose life he ruined fell apart within minutes of reaching his hand-picked jury and got him soundly condemned for his despicable and unprofessional conduct by the ABA.
I don't believe Oswald was a shooter at all. Garrison testified he saw two men in the 6th floor window and there was a credible witness who put Oswald on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting. When they did the paraffin test on Oswald he had NO powder residue on his cheek which would necessarily been pres ent if he'd fired a rifle. The nitrates on his hands were nearly always present on the hands of those who warehoused books. Oswald was staged by his past work for the CIA to take the fall for the assassination from the Bay of Pigs on. When Jack fired Dulles for that fiasco, Dulles set it in motion. Maybe when all the players have died the truth will come out, but it's doubtful, since even Bobby destroyed evidence. It has always bothered me that they claimed Oswald put 3 shots out (there are witnesses who claim there were as many as six shots fired) with two kill shots placed on a target moving away from him through a tube sight. Shooters like myself will tell you that a tube sight is difficult enough to place one kill shot on target with the target static. I've killed squirrels running through the trees with a .22 rifle, but only with iron sights. A moving target is very difficult through a tube sight to pick up--I know because I've hunted them both ways. When a kid stood up between me and my target one day I could not determine what he was through the scope. Lowering my weapon, I saw what I was about to shoot. It was enough for me. I took that scope off my rifle and never mounted another on any of my rifles ever again. Jack Kennedy was taken in a kill box by a team of assassins.
Mr. Simmons is looking not at you, but at the FBI/CIA/professional hired killers of our President, knowing he himself will die soon as a result of this interview.. This is a man of superior courage and the depth of his humanity shall be revealed and I believe that a statue in his honor will be erected in Dallas.
I find it very difficult to think that Mr. Simmons is lying here. He (at least to my observation) "thinks" he is telling the truth. Salt-of-the-Earth, blue-collar guy with no motive to lie.
I agree but he seems like a straightforward person who was led by the interviewer's question. He said the sound of a firecracker or shot came from the front and left. That could have been the TSBD. He said he saw a puff of smoke in front of the picket fence. The interviewer got him to link the two, which is not what he said at all. Other witnesses have identified the smoke as exhaust fumes from the rail yard parking lot behind the fence.
Credible witness & he was spot on with the location where the kill shot came from & Oswald did not fire that kill shot! The commission really botched this up pure & improper.
Technically you're right they didn't botch up they did it intentionally. Avoiding all evidence that another shooter was involved. But that was to be expected. Allen Dulles, Kennedy's arch enemy who is fired from the CIA but continued to maintain a role there, was one of the Warren commission's Chief creators of their monstrous report
@@kemosabegt350geuss6 Ok then pass the buck where it belongs because Oswald did not fire the kill shot from behind the knoll that took the skull off JFK & I don't care what anyone says or tries to concoct at this point!
Justice Warren did not want to head up or be in the investigation. He was bullied into it by LBJ and probably blackmailed by Hoover as well. I don't know your ages but there was a great deal of animosity at JFK over the Bay of Pigs by all the agencies including the Pentagon. Warren was aware and knew the consequences of anything coming out that resembled any semblance of the truth. There were several very important men involved. One of them has finally died who was a player and I was hoping that with his death the truth would finally come out but his son sealed GHWBs docs for 25? 50? years. Very few make mention of this fact, but there were three future POTUSs in Dallas that day: RMN, LBJ & GHWB. Bush, a charter member of the CIA, was the only one who manufactured an alibi and is reputed to have misdirected the FBI's investigation with an anonymous phone call. All three were complicit then or after the fact, but I believe the actions of Bush put him in as the agent in charge of the op.
The misnamed Warren Commission was actually managed by a Congressman named Gerald Ford, a 33rd Degree Freemason and avowed internationalist, who was richly rewarded later on in life. Dealey Plaza is named after one of the founders of Dallas, George Dealey, who was also a 33rd Degree Freemason and was responsible for bringing a branch of the Federal Reserve to Dallas. #truth #connectthedots
Thanks for finding the Mark Lane interviews. Simmons, Holland, Dodd and Bowers are all professionals whose positions require a great amount of attentiveness and accuracy. They make the most reliable witnesses.
You should know, Bowers never mentioned a puff of smoke or a flash of light to anyone before Mark Lane. Also, he had the best view of the area in question and DID NOT see a shooter. Yes, he does make a great witness to the fact that there was not a grassy knoll assassin.
@@franclin0 What is your problem? Clearly, Lee Bowers talks of a "flash" or a "puff of smoke". He also confirms that the Warren Commission stopped him from giving the more precise testimony. Lee Bowers at the WC: "At the time of the shooting there seemed to be some commotion (...)" on the high ground above Elm Street . . . I just am unable to describe rather than it was something out of the ordinary, a sort of milling around, but something occurred in this particular spot which was out of the ordinary, which attracted my eye for some reason, which I could not identify." So, you are claiming that Lee Bowers further clarifications of what he witnessed - as filmed by Mark Lane only two years after the assassination - are "lies"? Don't be so ridiculous!
@@ulicadluga He never mentioned either of them before. Why all of a sudden after numerous questioning does he (for Mark Lane) remember a flash of light or a puff of smoke? His story, like many others' became embellished and better sounding to conspiracy believers, but bottom line is he did not see a shooter. And for the record, in broad daylight a rifle is not going to emit a flash of light that would be visible to the naked eye from behind.
@@franclin0 "Numerous questioning"? Mark Lane did his series or interviews only two years after the assassination. Never mind a "conspiracy to kill JFK", there was immediately a "conspiracy" to control the narrative, be it over concerns of a "nuclear war" or to protect LBJ. There was an atmosphere of repression and intimidation after the assassination. An absurd number of people were frightened, even killed in the wake of November 22. What Mark Lane did was "refined journalism". He let the witnesses speak for themselves and in an atmosphere of security - although many of them were in grave danger. The witnesses in the vicinity of the rail yard, Lee Bowers, Sam Holland, James Simmons and Richard Dodd were all professional men and seasoned railway men. They give clear and unemotional testimony. They are not tainted by any political agenda. You have no evidence to undermine these courageous testimonies. What is your agenda?
@@franclin0 Interesting. I think it is now clear that there was no Grassy knoll assassin. But that does not dismiss Lee Bowers testimony. In fact, because Bowers does not mention guns, rifles and assassins, his truthful testimony points to the "grassy knoll diversion". The testimony of Bowers, Holland and others accords with the use of an ordinary firecracker to draw attention to the Grassy Knoll - and away from the professional sharpshooter with a suppressed automatic weapon concealed in the Commerce Street pedestrian underpass.
The misnamed Warren Commission was managed by a Congressman named Gerald Ford, a 33rd Degree Freemason who was richly rewarded later on in life. Dealey Plaza is named after a founder of Dallas, George Dealey, who was also a 33rd Degree Freemason and was responsible for bringing a branch of the Federal Reserve to Dallas. This is not a "theory." Anyone with good search skills on the internet can find this information. But few want to connect the dots.
@@GhostRanger5060 Oswald brought his rifle in that package and shot Kennedy and Connally with it. That's why the only bullets or pieces of bullet recovered came from the Carcano. The rest is all a million different stories designed to sell a million different books for personal profit - especially by Mark Lane, the conman. Think on that.
*_A detail caught my attention in these videos. The kindness and nobility of old Americans. This doesn't exist anymore in America. I'm not American. However, when I came for tourist travel, I witnessed how corrupt the USA is. This situation can be easily understood from the internet and social media. America's demographic structure is very distorted. The concept of family has been damaged. Incredible corruption, immorality, and increased crime rates have occurred. If an American time traveler were to teleport from 1950 to the present day, you can be sure that he would not be able to recognize today's USA._*
Thank you for re uploading of these important witness, Mark Lane is the first true researchers, as a lawyer, he asked the right questions, if only he had access to the so called films and photo taken that day, he would have had a real photogrammetry expert to look and see if they matched, which we know from nix to z film people are missing and thus the films were edited and altered ?
@@thetruthchannel349 Thank you for agreeing, so much was done to the films and photos its not funny. 🚗 👌✌😀, especially removing the jfk car stopping in elm st, which is the main reason why, but also to remove the massive exit wound in the back of jfk's head.🚓✌😀
@@7071t6 Well, the morons at the ClA didn't anticipate the future of technology. You can load that video & separate the frames out a 35 Mil/Second. And its OBVIOUS that several frames were removed. Even if you just play it slow motion the jerking you see in the video is from missing frames & a very slip-shot rushed attempt to edit something together to get it out to NBC, CBS and ABC. Thats why the editing is so bad. They were in a rush.
True researcher Mark Lane's record: - packed his books with demonstrable fabrications - disgusted interview subject by twisting their words - soundly condemned by two commissions for misleading them - described by Charles Brehm as "a despicable liar" - described by John Connally as "evil" - right hand stooge to Rev. Jim Jones (and Lane had plenty of blood on his hands) - don't miss Bob Katz's Mother Jones expose "Mark Lane - the Left's Leading Hearse Chaser..."
@@7071t6 What the heck is the point of seizing and screwing around with films? For goodness' sake, just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away would have suited any conspiracy just fine.
Good question. But connect the dots to the three "tramps" who were found hiding in a railroad car nearby and you can see there is more to the story than we often want to admit.
You failed to mention that the HSCA was all set to conclude Oswald acted alone until those acoustics experts came forward at the last minute with their dictabelt recording... which the Justice Department and the Ramsey Panel investigated and discovered to be erroneous and invalid as evidence. This was completely debunked more than 40 years ago.
@@aaronz7056 Not debunked. And you failed to mention all the other discrepancies found with the Warren report…which has been totally debunked. And there has NEVER been a full investigation of the assassination. Wonder why? 🤔
@@jeffreypaulross9767 Oh, yes, of course, I forgot: the US government, the Justice Department, the Ramsey Panel, the Warren Commission, the HSCA, the police, the Secret Service, and the FBI were all conspirators in murder and treason, thanks for reminding me.
The FIRST 'story' we hear, believe and remember, then becomes difficult to accept as false when just maybe...one person has a different 'story'? Quote. It's easier to fool a person, than to convince a person they've been fooled.😳
It's so crystal clear to anyone with slightly open eyes and even a minor awareness of how shady most governments are, there were multiple shooters. For something as critical and high stakes as a presidential assassination, and assuming the politics were removed from the process, they should have interviewed everybody. There should have been 1000s of hours of interviews and mountains of evidence saved forever. Instead this text book definition of a quality eye witness to the kill shot is called exactly zero times. People still defending a lone Oswald execution either have a screw loose or get some cheap thrill from being contrarian. Is it so hard to believe a political commission got a politically expedient outcome?
@@markos6143 One cop saw one man who flashed some ID at him he never even saw clearly and the man certainly didn't ID himself as Secret Service badges. What happens when the REAL Secret Service comes forward and affirms they had no agents present there, thus promptly confirming to the world a conspiracy is operating?
yeah well that's how the truth works.... its not about how near you were...its about what you were looking at.... and why on earth would the CIA plant a multiple shooter story?????
CIA did it and knew the exact route the president would take. Trained assassin snipers took kennedy out. Oswald was probably right when he said ..I DIDNT KILL NOBODY!!!!!
@@xlucim Hardly matters because: - Connally's said the shots came from behind - witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead - victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and, ergo, from behind - Kennedy's massive exit wound seen exploding at the right temple is consistent only with a shot from behind - all bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle - autopsy demonstrates the shots came from behind - Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos demonstrating the shots came from behind - anybody firing a rifle from behind that flimsy knoll fence would have been absurdly obvious and plainly visible to many witnesses - it's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions - Oswald never made any attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody
@@matthewgallagher1761 That's right, I have "no credible support for ANY of my facts." What next, I'm part of the "conspiracy?" Any more berserk lies you'd care to make? lol
Better question: whose idea was it to assume they would successfully frame this on lone shooter Oswald as they fired from different directions? All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
If there was a puff of smoke, what does that prove? Witnesses have variously described it as being like a firecracker, exhaust fumes, or cigarette smoke.
Did you not hear the witness? He heard where the report came from and from that same are saw smoke. You do know that large caliber high powered rifles produce smoke when fired right? ….right?
There is indeed a picture, which is so blurry it could be anything. But let's assume for a moment that big white area in the picture is actually smoke from a rifle. What kind of weapon would produce a huge cloud like that?
At the very end, at 3:10 in response to Mr. Lane's question about if he thought it was odd he was never called as a witness for the Warren Commission, Mr. Simmons says "Yes. I always thought it peculiar. but I thought that's the way they did business", and then lets out a little nervous smirk....as if he hopes he doesn't live to regret that comment
One thing that’s important for younger people to know when watching this is that nearly all of the males remarking on gunshots are either veterans or grew up hunting - Dallas was not very cosmopolitan at that time. These were rough men, not like men today.
What I don’t understand are all the reports of shots sounding like “firecrackers!” Been around guns all my life and I have NEVER heard a gunshot that sounded like a “firecracker!” Never!
Firecrackers back in the 60’s were a lot more powerful than those that are sold today. A Cherry bomb or M80 made one heck of a loud explosion when set off.
@@mikeivey7167you said it yourself ‘been around guns all my life’. To the untrained ear, at first sound with echo from buildings, you think firecracker or in old days, car backfire. It happened once to me in a downtown area and only realized when people ran. Now I know, but I can understand their initial confusion. In an open field a weapon sounds totally different than around tall buildings.
Commission Exhibit 1416, they had his statement and his statement said he saw exhaust smoke near the Depository and he thought the shots came from the direction of the Depository.
Oswald said just before he was assassinated “I’m just a patsy”. When I first heard that, I thought ‘why?” All theses decades it bugged me, what was Lee trying telling us? I felt sorry for him a lot.
They never include the whole quote, which puts the infamous statement into context. What he actually said was: “They've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a patsy!" He wasn’t alluding to a conspiracy, he was it. There wasn’t anyone else to blame, just him. He never had conspiracy in his head because he knew it was just him. He was saying they targeted him because he was a communist and an easy target.
The first shot came after the turn on Elm. The first shot missed. The second shot comes right at the time the limo goes behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. The fatal shot was 4 seconds later as the limo was approaching the grassy knoll.
As of 2024, all that remains hidden of the so-called JFK assassination-related documents, are pinpoint redactions in individual files of the names of people (e.g. agents) still alive, or intelligence gathering methods federal agencies do not wish to publicize; there is no entire document or file which is presently withheld from the public. If you think a vast conspiracy hides behind a micro fig leaf, then keep deluding yourself.
Did the press or anyone else ever ask the Warren commission why they never called so many of the witnesses that day? I have never seen or read anything regarding this!
Now I’m no expert on the assassination of Kennedy I’m 71 now and in service I was a pretty good shot , but you would have to be a bloody good sniper to allow for all the factors of wind , distance, bullet drop , and vehicle movement to nail those two shots at that distance … even with a scope ! I believe the weapon was bolt action so after the first shot these parameters would have to be calculated again into the second or third shot ! .. my conclusion is it’s not only Oswald who if at all fired those shots but some damn good well trained sniper! Front and rear of the motorcade ?
You are so correct. I was in the Army and a good shooter. This was allegedly a bolt action rifle aimed at a moving target approx. 200-300 feet away and moving away. A nearly impossible shot. And it would have been impossible to fire more than one round with a bolt action rifle. When I hear people nay-say this logic I know I am dealing with a person with no knowledge of target shooting, no knowledge of rifles, and no understanding of the physics of shooting. That or else they are people in pure denial. Because Americans do not want to think their government is capable of such conspiracy. Well they should read more history. Especially post-WWII history. After COVID and the likes of the CDC and Dr. Fauci, only a truly oblivious, deluded or passive participant in the conspiracy could ever deny the possibilities. #blessings
@@GhostRanger5060 I fatally agree with you. Even on the ranges taking my time firing a personal weapon with iron sights self loading rifle (SLR) my grouping would be the size of a dinner tray if I was lucky ! And that was at 300 Mtrs . At any greater distance the spread would be larger ? . As I say I’m no expert but having watched and talked to our own UK snipers those shots from Oswald (allegedly) I believe would be impossible with a bolt action weapon ? . That’s my opinion … more than one assassin!
"Smokeless" powder is the name given to modern gunpowder.....to differentiate it from the much-more-dirty black powder used earlier. Although called "smokeless", it is not totally so and can be confirmed with any real and honest shooter today.
wasn't aware that there were cars with engines running on the grassy knoll....... surely there were either on the road or in something called the car park. You have no idea of the geography of Dealey Plaza and its a bit insulting to suggest to multiple witnesses and what they saw was a car exhaust. Lets not stop there.... maybe all they heard was firecrackers and the whole assassination's was faked.....
Dealey Plaza is sunken, surrounded by buildings and the railway overpass and any shot that was taken in that area, would echo off of the buildings and the overpass. He thought that the shot came from somewhere other than the Book Depository? So what? Did he hear the actual shot or did he hear the echo?
He described just one shot, apparently the last final headshot. But what about the first two (or more) shots fired. He and others on the overpass mention nothing about the initial shots. That seems strange to me.
Because the first two shots came from the TSBD and he heard but didn't see them. Hence his sensory perception of the first two shots would have been limited to auditory only. Other than acknowledging the noise of the shots he cant add much. While a third shot came from the picket fence and he both heard it and saw it. When I say he saw it...I mean he saw some commotion/light/smoke from that area. In other words he had visual and auditory around the third shot. That would explain his testimony and that of his colleagues.
The puff of smoke that so many people saw behind the fence most likely didn't come from any gun. Smokeless gun powder was standard for ammunition by the late 1800's. Perhaps it was some incendiary device to direct attention away from other areas.
Some who claimed they saw a puff of smoke also admitted they didn't think it had anything to do with the shooting. In fact, there was a steam pipe running near the triple underpass. The "smoke" might have been from a vehicle exhaust, or steam from the steam pipe. Maybe it was somebody puffing a cigarette.
Modern guns don't emit much smoke. He couldn't have seen gun smoke at that distance. He didn't see a gunman. No one saw a gunman on the grassy knoll, even though many people looked over there and rushed over there, as he did.. His comments tend to rule out an assassin on the grassy knoll.
In any investigation, there will be multiple witnesses. People often believe a shot comes from a different area than it actually came from. I have no doubt he was a very honourable man. But his evidence isn't definitive or surprising.
wait what??? 2 Dallas police on the overpass? First time I hear this. They are literally about 30 seconds from t he picket fence if they ran there. How is it that no one was caught there?
The DID find people there. People who claimed to be with the Secret Service, for instance.... A deaf mute that Mark Lane interviewed claimed that the rifle was immediately stowed away. Perhaps that's true or perhaps "Secret Service holding a rifle" was "good enough" for police with an Assassination on their watch and a nightclub owner giving out free police passes that "no one has ever heard of" successfully sneaking into the police station basement for Oswald's transfer.
Check out James Files interview From his prison he proclaims he was the one who fired the head shot from behind the picket fence. Also, LHO did not even fire a rifle that day. He is not the one who killed Officer Tippit
The only thing I find hard to believe is how the hell they tracked the shell casings and picked them up so fast to get out of dodge. I think two shooters along with two spotters, just there to track the shells and collect them, we’re behind the fence. 4 people can fit into a getaway car. Makes sense.
Nerver heard of who the two Dallas Policemen were. That were on the overpass. Seems all of the civilians have been interviewed. Chief Curry in the lead car. Immediately ordered someone up to the overpass on the radio.
So they thought they saw smoke? It was most likely cigarette smoke or steam from that STEAMPIPE by the fence, NOT gunsmoke because: 1) a pro assassin there probably wouldn't have missed, right? 2) a pro assassin probably wouldn't pick such an obvious and public place with everyone so close to them; 3) no one heard a gunshot right by the fence; 4) and no there saw any such suspicious activity.
Where are the men like Eisenhower today??? The presidential candidates of today aren't qualified to shine Eisenhower's shoes! We don't hear words like honor, dignity, respect,reverence, loyalty & above reproach, when talking about the presidential candidates today!you would never hear the words like hush money,business dealings with the enemy, leaving military equipment to the enemy, a son being hooked on drugs, leaving drugs in the Whitehouse; confidential papers in the closet or garage; the point is Eisenhower had a higher moral standard & with his military background, wasn't afraid or intimidated by anyone including the enemies of America!
The men that had the best vantage point (although downrange from at least one of the shooters) were not called to testify..."thank you that will not be needed." Hmmmm....
He tells the same story Mr Holland told. I believe both men are telling the truth.
Mr Holland changed his story. Read his sworn testimony to the Warren Commission, given with his own lawyer present. Holland also lied about seeing Kennedy's foot over the side of the limo.
I believe they were both illiterate hayseeds.
Totally agree - this guy knows what he saw and is telling it as he saw it
Except, smokeless powder for bullets were invented in the 1880s. Wouldn’t the conspirators have known enough NOT to use black powder shells which, apparently, all the men standing on the overpass said they saw!
Mr. Lane seems emphatic to point this out in every interview with these guys. Perhaps that’s why they weren’t questioned by the Warren Commission-if you’re lying or mistaken in one area of testimony you might be the same way in others…
They're telling the truth but they're misinterpreting what they saw. A guy standing next to them, Nolan Potter, saw a puff of smoke that he claims was in front of the depository. Keep in mind that where these guys were standing, the fence was directly between them and the depository. Any shots from Oswald in the 6th floor window would've sounded to them like it came from the fence area.
I have seen several of these witnesses interviews. They are all consistent. Seem like very nice honest people.
He’s right. That is the way they “did business“.
President Lyndon B. Johnson appointed the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, commonly called the Warren Commission, by Executive Order (E.O. 11130) on November 29, 1963. LBJs people changed the route of caravan, by changing the destination! Both LBJs girl friend and wife said, LBJ told them he'd be done with the, Kennedys after Dallas. LBJ hated them so much, he refused to allow pictures of Kennedy at his ranch. Kennedy had criminal investigation(s) on LBJ on going, till he was killed!
ça n'a pas changer , ils magouillent toujours autant et même plus !!
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Never called by the commission after telling the FBI what he saw-amazing!
Like Dozens of others. They were not trying to solve a crime. They were trying to suppress evidence.
You can literally listen to the phone conversation between LBJ and Hoover that occurred a few days after the assassination, where they talk about the potential members of the Warren Commission and the importance of making sure the investigation determines that it was a lone gunman.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Yes, anybody that thinks the JFK case was honestly investigated knows absolutely nothing about the Assassination.
Not amazing at all. They knew the truth and didn't want others to know it.
When things are not wanted to be heard ....this is what happens. ' Nothing'
"I always thought it peculiar. But that's the way they did business." He's a railroad inspector. I believe he has more than adequate facilities of observation.
He was a perfect witness to both the crime and the conspiracy behind it.
I trust this man and Mr Holland more than the FBI or CIA.
Yes, without question.
This guy was standing on the overpass looking down at Elm street. That is a perfect view to see everything. I was there a few years ago standing right where he was at. In back of me was the railroad tracks and the entrance to the Stemmons Freeway ramp. He not only saw the smoke coming from behind the picket fence, most likely, he saw the limousine with the President getting shot directly below him. My God, that man must have so much sorrow and pain. I can see it in his eyes to witness something that horrific. I feel bad that he had to witness that.
There was no one behind the picket fence, and Simmons said he saw smoke in front of the fence.
Lee Bowers was the train switch man that saw 2 cars drive behind the picket fence. He noticed men standing in 2 separate areas behind there. 2 of them were dressed I police uniforms. They had walkie talkies and were coordinating the big event. Bowers saw a flash of smoke behind there. Also there were other witnesses that saw men behind there. A deaf mute who witnessed them from above the bridge along with railroad men. Also there was a young fellow WI a camera taking pics. The cop from behind the fence confiscated his film. He wanted to take the camera too. But the young military aged guy told him, it was his mother's camera. There were lots of witnesses that saw action behind that fence. None were called on, for their testimony by the WC. Many of the eye witnesses tragically died from strange deaths right after the assassination. Many were afraid to come forward. Many were forced to change their testimony. The Parkland Hospital doctors observed different gunshot wounds on Kennedy's head and an entrance wound on his throat. There was a conspiracy and it was orchestrated from higher up. They wanted Kennedy out of the way, permanently!!!!
@@nightowl5475 The two men that Bowers said he saw were on the south side of the fence, not the north side, and he literally said that there was no there at the wooden fence the moment the shots were fired. He described the two men he saw--on the south side of the fence--as "...Ah - one of them, as I recall, was a middle-aged man, fairly heavy-set with - what looked like a white shirt. Uh - he remained in sight practically all of the time. The other individual was uh - slighter build and had either a plaid jacket or a plaid shirt..."
@@9BallrI'm sure they were just back there doing nothing. Right?
@@nightowl5475 There was no "they," there was literally no one behind the picket fence according to Bowers. The south side of the fence is where the grass is, in front of the fence, where Zapruder and others were. So yes, they were doing nothing, because there was no one there. It would be absolutely impossible for someone to stand there with a gun and shoot Kennedy and not have everyone right in that area see them, and not be caught immediately by the police and others who ran up there. No one was seen behind the fence when the police and others ran up there because there was no one behind the fence. That is completely in line with the forensic and ballistics evidence as well, which has shown that the injuries to Kennedy and his head movements are consistent only with a shot from behind. See "Gunshot-wound dynamics model for John F. Kennedy assassination" online, for example.
I'll go to my grave NEVER believing that Oswald acted alone.
Post Script...(7 months later) The real truth is that we will never know the real truth. Over time the story gets muddied with innuendo, half truths, lies and all the other garbage that gets thrown into the mix. Best you can do is read everything you can on it and form your own opinions.
Read the book On the Trail of the Assassins by Jim Garrison, which the movie JFK was supposedly based on in actuality is more of a mockery love it when compared to the information that is actually in the book. For example, one of the most important Witnesses in the book was Perry Russo, but his testimony was actually part of the testimony of the made-up character played by Todd bacon in the movie. Jim Garrison makes a compelling argument in his book for Oswald being a patsy set up to take the blame, as well as being a CIA operative who thought he was actually fighting communism.
@@michaelattoe5710...That's pretty much how I feel about Oswald's role. No way did he do this by himself. I'll check that book out though.
LHO was only a patsy in all of this. pre- designated patsy set up by the CIA and Mafia. paraffin test conducted soon after the event showed no gunpowder residue on his hands. co-workers saw him calmly drinking a Coke in the DSBD bldg lunchroom. expert conducted fingerprint analysis of boxes in the sniper's nest showed Malcolm Wallace was the DSBD bldg shooter. the look of utter disbelief on LHO's face when a reporter told him he was the prime suspect in the president's assassination.
@@michaelattoe5710 Jim Garrison lied about the 3 tramps not being ID'd and cleared, about the parade route being changed, about Oswald being in the TSBD doorway, etc. He was a paranoid crackpot who implicated ALL of the following as being conspirators and accessories:
FBI
CIA
Secret Service
Dallas PD
3 governors, Ronald Reagan included
Johnny Carson
Bobby Kennedy
lawyers defending people he suspected
conspiracy authors critical of him
a Marine buddy of Oswald's Garrison decided was an "Oswald lookalike"
a man who had made inflammatory comments about Kennedy and who had been in El Paso during the assassination
Cuban guerrillas
neo-Nazis
NBC
CBS
Newsweek
L.A. Times
Washington Post
John Birch Society
13 State Regional Democratic Organization
White Russian Community
NASA
oil industry
aerospace industry
the telephone company ("an extension of the US government!")
gays and masochists pulling off a "homosexual thrill killing"
Garrison's "case" against an innocent man whose life he ruined fell apart within minutes of reaching his hand-picked jury and got him soundly condemned for his despicable and unprofessional conduct by the ABA.
I don't believe Oswald was a shooter at all. Garrison testified he saw two men in the 6th floor window and there was a credible witness who put Oswald on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting. When they did the paraffin test on Oswald he had NO powder residue on his cheek which would necessarily been pres ent if he'd fired a rifle. The nitrates on his hands were nearly always present on the hands of those who warehoused books. Oswald was staged by his past work for the CIA to take the fall for the assassination from the Bay of Pigs on. When Jack fired Dulles for that fiasco, Dulles set it in motion. Maybe when all the players have died the truth will come out, but it's doubtful, since even Bobby destroyed evidence. It has always bothered me that they claimed Oswald put 3 shots out (there are witnesses who claim there were as many as six shots fired) with two kill shots placed on a target moving away from him through a tube sight. Shooters like myself will tell you that a tube sight is difficult enough to place one kill shot on target with the target static. I've killed squirrels running through the trees with a .22 rifle, but only with iron sights. A moving target is very difficult through a tube sight to pick up--I know because I've hunted them both ways. When a kid stood up between me and my target one day I could not determine what he was through the scope. Lowering my weapon, I saw what I was about to shoot. It was enough for me. I took that scope off my rifle and never mounted another on any of my rifles ever again. Jack Kennedy was taken in a kill box by a team of assassins.
This man stares into my very soul. Towards the end I was waiting for him to say my name and give the current time and date.
Mr. Simmons is looking not at you, but at the FBI/CIA/professional hired killers of our President, knowing he himself will die soon as a result of this interview.. This is a man of superior courage and the depth of his humanity shall be revealed and I believe that a statue in his honor will be erected in Dallas.
You would have been a great member of the manson family.
@@Rayburn58 it’s not too late…
I find it very difficult to think that Mr. Simmons is lying here. He (at least to my observation) "thinks" he is telling the truth. Salt-of-the-Earth, blue-collar guy with no motive to lie.
I agree but he seems like a straightforward person who was led by the interviewer's question.
He said the sound of a firecracker or shot came from the front and left. That could have been the TSBD. He said he saw a puff of smoke in front of the picket fence. The interviewer got him to link the two, which is not what he said at all. Other witnesses have identified the smoke as exhaust fumes from the rail yard parking lot behind the fence.
@@dab.nope
@@peterm1826 No to what exactly?
@dab. paid debunker on the CIA payroll still??
@@dab. The only one lying here is Mark Lane.
Credible witness & he was spot on with the location where the kill shot came from & Oswald did not fire that kill shot! The commission really botched this up pure & improper.
Watch it again. He did not say a shot came from the grassy knoll.
Really? You believe they botched it up? Really? Still?
Technically you're right they didn't botch up they did it intentionally. Avoiding all evidence that another shooter was involved. But that was to be expected. Allen Dulles, Kennedy's arch enemy who is fired from the CIA but continued to maintain a role there, was one of the Warren commission's Chief creators of their monstrous report
They didnt botch it up at all they did exactly as they were told. The outcome was predetermined by the FBI.
@@kemosabegt350geuss6 Ok then pass the buck where it belongs because Oswald did not fire the kill shot from behind the knoll that took the skull off JFK & I don't care what anyone says or tries to concoct at this point!
Warren commision ignored...all of these witnesses....
yes. but why?? we know the reason!!
Justice Warren did not want to head up or be in the investigation. He was bullied into it by LBJ and probably blackmailed by Hoover as well. I don't know your ages but there was a great deal of animosity at JFK over the Bay of Pigs by all the agencies including the Pentagon. Warren was aware and knew the consequences of anything coming out that resembled any semblance of the truth. There were several very important men involved. One of them has finally died who was a player and I was hoping that with his death the truth would finally come out but his son sealed GHWBs docs for 25? 50? years. Very few make mention of this fact, but there were three future POTUSs in Dallas that day: RMN, LBJ & GHWB. Bush, a charter member of the CIA, was the only one who manufactured an alibi and is reputed to have misdirected the FBI's investigation with an anonymous phone call. All three were complicit then or after the fact, but I believe the actions of Bush put him in as the agent in charge of the op.
The Warren Commission were LBJ men.
The misnamed Warren Commission was actually managed by a Congressman named Gerald Ford, a 33rd Degree Freemason and avowed internationalist, who was richly rewarded later on in life. Dealey Plaza is named after one of the founders of Dallas, George Dealey, who was also a 33rd Degree Freemason and was responsible for bringing a branch of the Federal Reserve to Dallas. #truth #connectthedots
@@timcarter8373 'All the way with LBJ'
Thanks for finding the Mark Lane interviews. Simmons, Holland, Dodd and Bowers are all professionals whose positions require a great amount of attentiveness and accuracy. They make the most reliable witnesses.
You should know, Bowers never mentioned a puff of smoke or a flash of light to anyone before Mark Lane. Also, he had the best view of the area in question and DID NOT see a shooter. Yes, he does make a great witness to the fact that there was not a grassy knoll assassin.
@@franclin0 What is your problem? Clearly, Lee Bowers talks of a "flash" or a "puff of smoke". He also confirms that the Warren Commission stopped him from giving the more precise testimony.
Lee Bowers at the WC:
"At the time of the shooting there seemed to be some commotion (...)" on the high ground above Elm Street . . . I just am unable to describe rather than it was something out of the ordinary, a sort of milling around, but something occurred in this particular spot which was out of the ordinary, which attracted my eye for some reason, which I could not identify."
So, you are claiming that Lee Bowers further clarifications of what he witnessed - as filmed by Mark Lane only two years after the assassination - are "lies"?
Don't be so ridiculous!
@@ulicadluga He never mentioned either of them before. Why all of a sudden after numerous questioning does he (for Mark Lane) remember a flash of light or a puff of smoke? His story, like many others' became embellished and better sounding to conspiracy believers, but bottom line is he did not see a shooter. And for the record, in broad daylight a rifle is not going to emit a flash of light that would be visible to the naked eye from behind.
@@franclin0 "Numerous questioning"? Mark Lane did his series or interviews only two years after the assassination. Never mind a "conspiracy to kill JFK", there was immediately a "conspiracy" to control the narrative, be it over concerns of a "nuclear war" or to protect LBJ.
There was an atmosphere of repression and intimidation after the assassination. An absurd number of people were frightened, even killed in the wake of November 22.
What Mark Lane did was "refined journalism". He let the witnesses speak for themselves and in an atmosphere of security - although many of them were in grave danger.
The witnesses in the vicinity of the rail yard, Lee Bowers, Sam Holland, James Simmons and Richard Dodd were all professional men and seasoned railway men. They give clear and unemotional testimony. They are not tainted by any political agenda.
You have no evidence to undermine these courageous testimonies. What is your agenda?
@@franclin0 Interesting. I think it is now clear that there was no Grassy knoll assassin. But that does not dismiss Lee Bowers testimony. In fact, because Bowers does not mention guns, rifles and assassins, his truthful testimony points to the "grassy knoll diversion".
The testimony of Bowers, Holland and others accords with the use of an ordinary firecracker to draw attention to the Grassy Knoll - and away from the professional sharpshooter with a suppressed automatic weapon concealed in the Commerce Street pedestrian underpass.
Excellent eyewitness account by rail worker James Simmons
That Warren Commission is a JOKE
The misnamed Warren Commission was managed by a Congressman named Gerald Ford, a 33rd Degree Freemason who was richly rewarded later on in life. Dealey Plaza is named after a founder of Dallas, George Dealey, who was also a 33rd Degree Freemason and was responsible for bringing a branch of the Federal Reserve to Dallas. This is not a "theory." Anyone with good search skills on the internet can find this information. But few want to connect the dots.
Actually ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles “managed” the Warren Commission.
Joe Biden: 'no joke'
Warren comission is a total joke!
Spineless bit of slime!
@@GhostRanger5060 Oswald brought his rifle in that package and shot Kennedy and Connally with it. That's why the only bullets or pieces of bullet recovered came from the Carcano. The rest is all a million different stories designed to sell a million different books for personal profit - especially by Mark Lane, the conman. Think on that.
Mr. Simmons is right in thinking that is how they do their busines. Lying, ignoring truth, covering up...
Yeah and they trained others to keep lying and covering things up and it still goes on today.
True .even at schools they spread and teach untrue things aka lies
Wow, conspiracy theorists are masters of projection!
@@franclin0 They're not the ones deceiving the whole world 24/7.
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 uh, yes they are! 🤣🤣
*_A detail caught my attention in these videos. The kindness and nobility of old Americans. This doesn't exist anymore in America. I'm not American. However, when I came for tourist travel, I witnessed how corrupt the USA is. This situation can be easily understood from the internet and social media. America's demographic structure is very distorted. The concept of family has been damaged. Incredible corruption, immorality, and increased crime rates have occurred. If an American time traveler were to teleport from 1950 to the present day, you can be sure that he would not be able to recognize today's USA._*
you are so correct
@@GhostRanger5060 Thank you Sir.
In fact Kennedy would not recognize what his Democratic party would become.
I agree. Much of America has become a dumbed-down society of self-loathing morons.
As an American I totally agree with your assessment
"Well....I always thought it peculiar but I thought that's the way they (FBI) did business."
Thank you for re uploading of these important witness, Mark Lane is the first true researchers, as a lawyer, he asked the right questions, if only he had access to the so called films and photo taken that day, he would have had a real photogrammetry expert to look and see if they matched, which we know from nix to z film people are missing and thus the films were edited and altered ?
There are frames missing yes
@@thetruthchannel349 Thank you for agreeing, so much was done to the films and photos its not funny. 🚗
👌✌😀, especially removing the jfk car stopping in elm st, which is the main reason why, but also to remove the massive exit wound in the back of jfk's head.🚓✌😀
@@7071t6 Well, the morons at the ClA didn't anticipate the future of technology. You can load that video & separate the frames out a 35 Mil/Second. And its OBVIOUS that several frames were removed. Even if you just play it slow motion the jerking you see in the video is from missing frames & a very slip-shot rushed attempt to edit something together to get it out to NBC, CBS and ABC. Thats why the editing is so bad. They were in a rush.
True researcher Mark Lane's record:
- packed his books with demonstrable fabrications
- disgusted interview subject by twisting their words
- soundly condemned by two commissions for misleading them
- described by Charles Brehm as "a despicable liar"
- described by John Connally as "evil"
- right hand stooge to Rev. Jim Jones (and Lane had plenty of blood on his hands)
- don't miss Bob Katz's Mother Jones expose "Mark Lane - the Left's Leading Hearse Chaser..."
@@7071t6 What the heck is the point of seizing and screwing around with films? For goodness' sake, just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away would have suited any conspiracy just fine.
Im betting that Oswald didn't even know he was part of a multi-rifle operation.
I am betting he wasn't even a part of it. Just a patsy.
He said as much just before he was silenced.
Could be he was set up. However, someone took a shot from that window ...
@@jamescalifornia2964 Yeah, whoever left the Mauser in the Depository took that shot. And it wasn't LHO.
I think there were several shooters and none knew of the other
Cryptic closure . Thank you Mr Simmons Truth be told .
What happened to Officer Foster who was with them, and more importantly, the statement that he would have submitted?
Good question. But connect the dots to the three "tramps" who were found hiding in a railroad car nearby and you can see there is more to the story than we often want to admit.
Even the House Select committee in the 70s found there to be four shots and therefore more than one assassin.
You failed to mention that the HSCA was all set to conclude Oswald acted alone until those acoustics experts came forward at the last minute with their dictabelt recording... which the Justice Department and the Ramsey Panel investigated and discovered to be erroneous and invalid as evidence. This was completely debunked more than 40 years ago.
@@aaronz7056 Not debunked. And you failed to mention all the other discrepancies found with the Warren report…which has been totally debunked. And there has NEVER been a full investigation of the assassination. Wonder why? 🤔
@@aaronz7056The Justice Department? 😂
@@jeffreypaulross9767 Oh, yes, of course, I forgot: the US government, the Justice Department, the Ramsey Panel, the Warren Commission, the HSCA, the police, the Secret Service, and the FBI were all conspirators in murder and treason, thanks for reminding me.
@Aaron7056 is another bot account. Lots of them “posting” on these videos. 🙄
And still there are non-believers
Smoke? What are we supposed to infer from this? That there was canon fire from the grassy knoll? Or perhaps a volley of black powder rifles?
@@dab. wow, smh
@@dab.😒 what the.... really man, derpa der
The FIRST 'story' we hear, believe and remember, then becomes difficult to accept as false when just maybe...one person has a different 'story'?
Quote. It's easier to fool a person, than to convince a person they've been fooled.😳
@@dab. No, just that the overwhelming evidence, and just as importantly common sense, literally proves that a single, lone guy was not responsible.
It's so crystal clear to anyone with slightly open eyes and even a minor awareness of how shady most governments are, there were multiple shooters. For something as critical and high stakes as a presidential assassination, and assuming the politics were removed from the process, they should have interviewed everybody. There should have been 1000s of hours of interviews and mountains of evidence saved forever. Instead this text book definition of a quality eye witness to the kill shot is called exactly zero times. People still defending a lone Oswald execution either have a screw loose or get some cheap thrill from being contrarian. Is it so hard to believe a political commission got a politically expedient outcome?
Have you seen the Warren report on 9/11? Its sickening on what was left undone.
Well said!
the other or others gunmen were probably dressed as Dallas policemen.
No evidence for that.
😂
@@yarberyarber7690 😂
Or in suits flashing phoney Service badges
@@markos6143 One cop saw one man who flashed some ID at him he never even saw clearly and the man certainly didn't ID himself as Secret Service badges. What happens when the REAL Secret Service comes forward and affirms they had no agents present there, thus promptly confirming to the world a conspiracy is operating?
Third identical story I’ve heard today, from three different witnesses who were nowhere near each other. What a well planned story by the CIA.
yeah well that's how the truth works.... its not about how near you were...its about what you were looking at.... and why on earth would the CIA plant a multiple shooter story?????
CIA did it and knew the exact route the president would take. Trained assassin snipers took kennedy out. Oswald was probably right when he said ..I DIDNT KILL NOBODY!!!!!
500 People saw the smoke under the hedge on the Picket Fence. Oswald was what he said he was...A Patsy!
Blatantly not true.
Gunpowder is smokeless; has been since the 1880's.
@@xlucim Hardly matters because:
- Connally's said the shots came from behind
- witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead
- victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and, ergo, from behind
- Kennedy's massive exit wound seen exploding at the right temple is consistent only with a shot from behind
- all bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle
- autopsy demonstrates the shots came from behind
- Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos demonstrating the shots came from behind
- anybody firing a rifle from behind that flimsy knoll fence would have been absurdly obvious and plainly visible to many witnesses
- it's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions
- Oswald never made any attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody
@@aaronz7056 Hey, Aaaron, there were credible witnesses who SAW exactly what this man described. You have no credible support for ANY of your "facts."
@@matthewgallagher1761 That's right, I have "no credible support for ANY of my facts." What next, I'm part of the "conspiracy?" Any more berserk lies you'd care to make? lol
if a person were to commit such a crime, why wouldn't they use a silencer? Does that make a shot less accurate? Just askin
Silencers back then could cause a loss of velocity.
hence very likely the reason the back shot on JFK penetrated less than an inch.
Better question: whose idea was it to assume they would successfully frame this on lone shooter Oswald as they fired from different directions? All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
These interviews are absolutely incredible. I was never certain about the 2nd shooter hypothesis. I am now.
In the days after the shooting there's media, repeatedly showed the private video that SHOWED the puff of smoke over the fence...l saw it!
If there was a puff of smoke, what does that prove? Witnesses have variously described it as being like a firecracker, exhaust fumes, or cigarette smoke.
Did you not hear the witness? He heard where the report came from and from that same are saw smoke. You do know that large caliber high powered rifles produce smoke when fired right? ….right?
His story cements the evidence that James Files aka James Sutton was the shooter.
Disturbing testimony.
James Files - Remington Fireball XP-100 ….CIA -Chicago Mob.
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Xp100 Remington was available to the u.s. gvt.....first! The public used them for shilloet target rifles....
Lee H. Oswald is the purest figment far out IMAGINATION that the Warren Commission could have chosen!
Well said ... Oswald was being impersonated by 2 people. Kerry Thornly, who served with him in the Marines and William Seymour.
Simmons' recollections are what is known as the UNVARNISHED truth.
There is a picture, showing the smoke
There is indeed a picture, which is so blurry it could be anything. But let's assume for a moment that big white area in the picture is actually smoke from a rifle. What kind of weapon would produce a huge cloud like that?
@@dab. ruclips.net/video/kZFesPK8glo/видео.htmlsi=Jue56b3yPvVaRPga
@@dab.Nobody said it was a huge cloud, just puffs of smoke.
@@anthonywilliams9852 We're referring to the photo, supposedly showing smoke. IF it is smoke, then it's a big cloud, not a puff.
@dab. how does it feel to be a tool of the illegal CIA posting crap to debunk these videos??
I have heard this man's views and thoughts as well as his fellow co workers. I have heard all I need to hear. I believe them.
Do you think people will be watching these videos 200 years from now, still wondering what really happened?
At the very end, at 3:10 in response to Mr. Lane's question about if he thought it was odd he was never called as a witness for the Warren Commission, Mr. Simmons says "Yes. I always thought it peculiar. but I thought that's the way they did business", and then lets out a little nervous smirk....as if he hopes he doesn't live to regret that comment
One thing that’s important for younger people to know when watching this is that nearly all of the males remarking on gunshots are either veterans or grew up hunting - Dallas was not very cosmopolitan at that time. These were rough men, not like men today.
What I don’t understand are all the reports of shots sounding like “firecrackers!” Been around guns all my life and I have NEVER heard a gunshot that sounded like a “firecracker!” Never!
Firecrackers back in the 60’s were a lot more powerful than those that are sold today.
A Cherry bomb or M80 made one heck of a loud explosion when set off.
@@garymccord4087 Oh I know that’s right. But, even with that, still don’t know about shots sounding like firecrackers! I wasn’t there, but…..
@@mikeivey7167you said it yourself ‘been around guns all my life’. To the untrained ear, at first sound with echo from buildings, you think firecracker or in old days, car backfire. It happened once to me in a downtown area and only realized when people ran. Now I know, but I can understand their initial confusion. In an open field a weapon sounds totally different than around tall buildings.
Truth will never change no matter what.
Our house of cards is built on a dunghill.
And you should always trust your government officials. Never question their authority.
Just ask native Americans.
Commission Exhibit 1416, they had his statement and his statement said he saw exhaust smoke near the Depository and he thought the shots came from the direction of the Depository.
who were the 2 Dallas PD who were with him?
Does anyone know the year that Mark Lane did these interviews?
1966-67
Oswald said just before he was assassinated “I’m just a patsy”.
When I first heard that, I thought ‘why?” All theses decades it bugged me, what was Lee trying telling us? I felt sorry for him a lot.
I never felt sorry for him.
They never include the whole quote, which puts the infamous statement into context.
What he actually said was: “They've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a patsy!"
He wasn’t alluding to a conspiracy, he was it. There wasn’t anyone else to blame, just him. He never had conspiracy in his head because he knew it was just him.
He was saying they targeted him because he was a communist and an easy target.
@@jetcat132 He was a marxist liberal just like the teachers and students on college campuses today.
Well , he's correct in the fact that "that's how they do business" !
So he states he heard the first gunshot...or loud report as the car was making the turn on to Elm street. That is very interesting in itself.
The first shot came after the turn on Elm. The first shot missed. The second shot comes right at the time the limo goes behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. The fatal shot was 4 seconds later as the limo was approaching the grassy knoll.
There is no smoke visible on any film in any location in the Plaza at the time of the shots of just after.
Cigarettes found behind fence on the ground
Simple thought. The documents regarding the assignation have been kept from the public for over 60 years. That tells you everything.
As of 2024, all that remains hidden of the so-called JFK assassination-related documents, are pinpoint redactions in individual files of the names of people (e.g. agents) still alive, or intelligence gathering methods federal agencies do not wish to publicize; there is no entire document or file which is presently withheld from the public. If you think a vast conspiracy hides behind a micro fig leaf, then keep deluding yourself.
Exactly “How they do Business”…Overlook Truth to fit the Narrative…
He looks like his belief in the United States and the American way of life has been shattered. God bless him.
Yeah, I’d say that was exactly the way they did business.
Did the press or anyone else ever ask the Warren commission why they never called so many of the witnesses that day?
I have never seen or read anything regarding this!
@ottoandhanzblack2175 Name a witness who wasn't called, and explain how his/her story is at all credible.
Now I’m no expert on the assassination of Kennedy I’m 71 now and in service I was a pretty good shot , but you would have to be a bloody good sniper to allow for all the factors of wind , distance, bullet drop , and vehicle movement to nail those two shots at that distance … even with a scope ! I believe the weapon was bolt action so after the first shot these parameters would have to be calculated again into the second or third shot ! .. my conclusion is it’s not only Oswald who if at all fired those shots but some damn good well trained sniper! Front and rear of the motorcade ?
He missed the kill shot twice.
You are so correct. I was in the Army and a good shooter. This was allegedly a bolt action rifle aimed at a moving target approx. 200-300 feet away and moving away. A nearly impossible shot. And it would have been impossible to fire more than one round with a bolt action rifle. When I hear people nay-say this logic I know I am dealing with a person with no knowledge of target shooting, no knowledge of rifles, and no understanding of the physics of shooting. That or else they are people in pure denial. Because Americans do not want to think their government is capable of such conspiracy. Well they should read more history. Especially post-WWII history. After COVID and the likes of the CDC and Dr. Fauci, only a truly oblivious, deluded or passive participant in the conspiracy could ever deny the possibilities. #blessings
@@GhostRanger5060
I fatally agree with you. Even on the ranges taking my time firing a personal weapon with iron sights self loading rifle (SLR) my grouping would be the size of a dinner tray if I was lucky ! And that was at 300 Mtrs . At any greater distance the spread would be larger ? . As I say I’m no expert but having watched and talked to our own UK snipers those shots from Oswald (allegedly) I believe would be impossible with a bolt action weapon ? . That’s my opinion … more than one assassin!
@@GhostRanger5060 One million upvotes.
How long did this dude stay alive after the assassination??
gunpowder has been smokeless since the late 1800's. The puff of smoke is irrelevant, it could be from a car exhaust or something else.
"Smokeless" powder is the name given to modern gunpowder.....to differentiate it from the much-more-dirty black powder used earlier. Although called "smokeless", it is not totally so and can be confirmed with any real and honest shooter today.
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wasn't aware that there were cars with engines running on the grassy knoll....... surely there were either on the road or in something called the car park.
You have no idea of the geography of Dealey Plaza and its a bit insulting to suggest to multiple witnesses and what they saw was a car exhaust. Lets not stop there.... maybe all they heard was firecrackers and the whole assassination's was faked.....
LOL just back from Disney ? no car could get out that very moment parade passing by ,they were bumper to bumper ,try again
Dealey Plaza is sunken, surrounded by buildings and the railway overpass and any shot that was taken in that area, would echo off of the buildings and the overpass. He thought that the shot came from somewhere other than the Book Depository? So what? Did he hear the actual shot or did he hear the echo?
Any testimony showing Oswald did not act alone was not welcome.
These were some good ol' honest, hard working guys. They don't make them like that anymore.
He described just one shot, apparently the last final headshot. But what about the first two (or more) shots fired. He and others on the overpass mention nothing about the initial shots. That seems strange to me.
Because the first two shots came from the TSBD and he heard but didn't see them. Hence his sensory perception of the first two shots would have been limited to auditory only. Other than acknowledging the noise of the shots he cant add much.
While a third shot came from the picket fence and he both heard it and saw it. When I say he saw it...I mean he saw some commotion/light/smoke from that area. In other words he had visual and auditory around the third shot.
That would explain his testimony and that of his colleagues.
yeah, it is very peculiar. and yeah, it was the way they did this business. to cover it up
The puff of smoke that so many people saw behind the fence most likely didn't come from any gun. Smokeless gun powder was standard for ammunition by the late 1800's. Perhaps it was some incendiary device to direct attention away from other areas.
Some who claimed they saw a puff of smoke also admitted they didn't think it had anything to do with the shooting. In fact, there was a steam pipe running near the triple underpass. The "smoke" might have been from a vehicle exhaust, or steam from the steam pipe. Maybe it was somebody puffing a cigarette.
Modern guns don't emit much smoke. He couldn't have seen gun smoke at that distance. He didn't see a gunman. No one saw a gunman on the grassy knoll, even though many people looked over there and rushed over there, as he did.. His comments tend to rule out an assassin on the grassy knoll.
Wow, that’s heavy duty right there
In any investigation, there will be multiple witnesses.
People often believe a shot comes from a different area than it actually came from.
I have no doubt he was a very honourable man.
But his evidence isn't definitive or surprising.
Sounds like where James E files said he was standing when he claims he made the kill shot.
Was he killed too?
wait what??? 2 Dallas police on the overpass? First time I hear this. They are literally about 30 seconds from t he picket fence if they ran there. How is it that no one was caught there?
I wonder why they found no one behind the stockade fence when they got there...
The DID find people there. People who claimed to be with the Secret Service, for instance....
A deaf mute that Mark Lane interviewed claimed that the rifle was immediately stowed away. Perhaps that's true or perhaps "Secret Service holding a rifle" was "good enough" for police with an Assassination on their watch and a nightclub owner giving out free police passes that "no one has ever heard of" successfully sneaking into the police station basement for Oswald's transfer.
Did Mr. Simmons only hear one shot?
Modern firearms don’t emit poofs of smoke.
Right where JAMES FILES Was on the grassy knoll . He claimed there is mercury in the bullet from his Fireball Remington weapon he used .
Does a rifle give out smoke ?
No, it does not. Not unless it is a flintlock or percussion-cap. These were used in the 1700's and 1800's, respectively.
“…the way they did business.”
Yep!
Nope! Commission Exhibit 1416.
Check out James Files interview
From his prison he proclaims he was the one who fired the head shot from behind the picket fence. Also, LHO did not even fire a rifle that day. He is not the one who killed Officer Tippit
He died in 1980 at only age 50.
The only thing I find hard to believe is how the hell they tracked the shell casings and picked them up so fast to get out of dodge. I think two shooters along with two spotters, just there to track the shells and collect them, we’re behind the fence. 4 people can fit into a getaway car. Makes sense.
Where's the evidence for any of that?
@@dab. there isn’t evidence of 4 people behind the knoll. I’m just speculating at to how the hell they picked up the shells.
@@clath2823 Maybe there were no shells because there were no people.
Why waste time speculating about something for which there is no evidence?
Date of film? Name of interviewer?
Mark Lane. And sometime in early 1964.
Thanks, @@fiachramaccana280.
THE Mark Lane.
The first man to write a book
Rush To Judgement
discrediting the Warren Commission.
He only heard one shot?
That is why he didn’t get unalive. The government liked him telling him that lie.
Bless him... he is telling the truth ❤
The WC were cherry pickers
They still do
Nerver heard of who the two Dallas Policemen were. That were on the overpass. Seems all of the civilians have been interviewed. Chief Curry in the lead car. Immediately ordered someone up to the overpass on the radio.
So they thought they saw smoke? It was most likely cigarette smoke or steam from that STEAMPIPE by the fence, NOT gunsmoke because: 1) a pro assassin there probably wouldn't have missed, right? 2) a pro assassin probably wouldn't pick such an obvious and public place with everyone so close to them; 3) no one heard a gunshot right by the fence; 4) and no there saw any such suspicious activity.
It’s peculiar that he continues to stare into the camera
Kings and Queens rule us
Where are the men like Eisenhower today??? The presidential candidates of today aren't qualified to shine Eisenhower's shoes! We don't hear words like honor, dignity, respect,reverence, loyalty & above reproach, when talking about the presidential candidates today!you would never hear the words like hush money,business dealings with the enemy, leaving military equipment to the enemy, a son being hooked on drugs, leaving drugs in the Whitehouse; confidential papers in the closet or garage; the point is Eisenhower had a higher moral standard & with his military background, wasn't afraid or intimidated by anyone including the enemies of America!
Alan Dulles must have thought everyone was just plain stupid.
They didn't interview people because they wanted to cover it up, not expose it@
He was interviewed and his statement was received by The Warren Commission, it's Commission Exhibit 1416.
The men that had the best vantage point (although downrange from at least one of the shooters) were not called to testify..."thank you that will not be needed." Hmmmm....
Americans were really honest nice people in those days. How could they possibly think their own Government was responsible.
9/11/2001.. ommission report
Not that only one that said the same thing
Confirms James files story
100%...3 rail road workers say shot from grassy knoll....probably James Files
The Warren commission did a very poor job as instructed to do.
Well, it is still today, the manner in which or the way our government does its business.
I wonder If James Survived Long After his Thoughts To The FBI.....😮
Yet one more piece of evidence that makes the official narrative the only impossible narrative.