There is much more to learn about things going wrong than when everything goes right. Thank you for shairing and explaining these important issues. It is also interesting to see you use one of these unforgiving clays. I never found anything else yet and I suppose Prehistoric people didn't much have the choice, but to use the clay they had close by.
My clay is extremely challenging...60 percent sand...I have to wet process it and it's cracky and slumpy... Last week I found an old bag of the stuff I had processed a year ago. Omg it's perfect. If you can let your clay age it might make all the difference. Good luck !
@@GrannyGooseOnRUclips GG, you are so right. I recently used a clay that had been too fat and slumpy and with a lot of temper and the addition of another local clay in little amounts it came out great.
I'm at the same point with my clay. Enything under 10 inches works fine but above that it cracks on the heat up and cool down. So it's time to add more grog for the large pots. So much fun getting to know each clay type in my area.
Every big bowl or pot I have ever fired above ground seems to crack, however the medium sized pieces I have made in the past mostly made it through the above ground firings! I only switched to a kiln like structure to improve the consistency of the heat, and I hate cutting wood and hauling it just to crack my pots. Too much work for that. I really appreciate the size and I like the design flaws better than the original! Thanks again and look forward to the next one!
Hello.I discovered your channel after looking for all kinds of RUclips videos about pottery, something I've been doing for about two years. I'm also referring to pottery and looking for sources of inspiration.I was amazed to see the models drawn on various vessels, not only from this video, from several posted on this channel.my amazement comes from only one direction....but I want to be brief and say only a few words: CUCUTENI, 6000 BC. :)
Lol I was one of those people whining about cracking. Thank you for guiding me in the right path. I’ve since gotten some tools and a spinning disc thing. It’s gotten a lot easier and more manageable since putting in crushed up broken pieces in the mix.
I didn’t know (or remember?) about drying upside down for rim cracks. Glad you mentioned it. I’m guessing it’s more important for larger diameter circles than smaller ones.
@@AncientPottery here in central MT it is quite dry in comparison to WA but not nearly as dry as AZ/NM. I think I’ll error on the side of caution and make it a habit. Thank you!
I recently made a mistake about drying, that was silly in retrospect. I had a larger pitcher-shaped pot, and put it upside down to dry, and put a towel over it, thinking I was so careful... but then later I realized the towel didn't reach all the way down to the rim! Not only that, but the wooden base was wicking the rim moisture away, while the towel was slowing down the drying of the base. WHOOPS! You kind of have to think through the details, when you move up to larger pots.
Mr. Andy, what a coincidence you had issues with temper. Remember I'm EXTREMELY new to wild clay pottery. Just yesterday I was helping my husband set large poles for his new barn and there were clumps of red clay just lying there before me. I played with some, squeezing it, rolling it, etc. I could feel the same in it but it was sticking together pretty well. Once the pole was set and I could go my own way I added a tiny bit of water. It got sticky. I kneaded and squeezed until I got all the actual lumps of clay incorporated. My idea is to just fire this clay in small, rectangle shapes to see what it does naturally, straight out of the ground. I think I'll learn something about my clay. But THIS video showed me a few things to look for. I have two, small rectangular blocks about 1"x1/2". One straight out of ground. One with clay from my bucket of clay that's been soaking in water. And one "bowl" formed in the palm of my hand. Just playing around to see what happens. We'll see!
@@AncientPottery especially the long time between the different steps was important for me to realize, since I eagerly didn't let dry my workpiece properly.
Every clay has a optimal wetness for building and in some clays it needs to be wetter than others. Also we can be led astray of the clay we are used to using has different moisture needs. Ever onward.
Lots of learning happening there. I still enjoyed your presentation. It took me too long to find your design mistake - and I feel I’m pretty good at details like this. im a fiber artist weaving, spinning etc.. I’ve made a few pieces where I made similar mistakes- no one has ever noticed until I point them out. I’m glad you didn’t point it out- but it didn’t detract from the beauty in any way. I still think it is a nice piece!
I was thinking, If you made two more pukies the same size as this 12" one so you could turn the clay over by placing the second one inside the clay shape would that be easier than using the plywood? I say two pukies because one would not match the shape of the dent in this one in the vid or is getting two the same size and shape the problem? You could probably make a duplicate of this one but lining up one dent is bad enough without having to line up two dents. Sssooo as I am writing this out I see the difficulty in two pukies matching. I am leaving the comment just for giggles so please feel free to giggle.
I feel a bit better about my wild clay, it's a bit cracky, but not as bad as the one you used here! We're working on the owl effigy pot at our house, though we am going to try it with reduced iron oxide mineral paint, rather than organic paint. Can't wait to see the result (and post it on Instagram)... even if it's a disaster, ha! It'll either be cool, or a hilarious misadventure.
If I need to flip a large vessel base. I make a pillow of whatever will do the job.. with pillow in my lap ... or in the vessel base...have both hands to flip the vessel base/assembly , on to my lap.. all at once. The pillow makes the motion more of a roll over... than a flip. . If the pillow is made the right size... it should work on a bench top... its really about having both hands free to do the roll over... Rolling onto my lap provides a inclined angle ...somewhat padded... to catch the item . And it's at an angle easy to reach under with both hands/arms... to lift it to a working position.
3:45 Is there any reason they wouldn't/couldn't use a second puki that was comparably sized and shaped to hold the piece by turning it out onto the outside of the second puki?
I just started using my clay and it’s very poor plasticity was discouraging but heck. I’m going to make a coffee mug out of it and see how it goes. I’ve done some test tiles on various cone settings and have determined cone 3 is my max. Cone 04 is a totally different color but very good and cone 15 is again quite different color and the bottom end & not as strong but still serviceable. Thanks for the encouragement!!! Perfect timing!!! Looking forward to tomorrow night.
Hi Andy! I have to thank you for the hard work you do on this channel. Your enthusiasm for ancient pottery is really contagious and I appreciate you taking the time to share it with the world! I'm from the States, but I recently had occasion to go to Greece and visit the National Archaeological Museum in Athens. There's so much history in that one building it makes your head spin, and among their collection are these incredible ancient bowls and jugs. It's clear from the videos I've seen on your channel that your heart lies with the native cultures of the American Southwest, but have you ever worked with/learned about/replicated the styles of these ancient Greek pieces or the like? I'd be curious to know more about the similarities and differences between the two, half the world and centuries or millennia apart from each other. Thanks again!
Thanks. There is a professor at the University of Arizona who has studied Greek pottery and has even built a classic Greek kiln here in Tucson. I contacted her a few moths ago about shooting a video, I should probably follow up and try to make that happen.
That clay seems a lot like the stuff I find in Canberra. So far I haven't had much luck woodfiring that clay, I'll try again with more temper sometime.
Nice complete video. It's nice to see the entire process. I've had more issues with cracks in larger pots than smaller ones. I wonder if they tend to need more temper because of their size?
Certainly more stress in the larger vessels that can result in cracks. I may have made a mistake in processing and mixing temper, I am terrible with numbers, like I can't remember them from one second to the next.
Sure nice bowl you made there..errors as well ..gives us all some hope..will be trying this soon but ive no source of brown..buff it is then..liking the voice over worked out well.
Thanks for a video full of valuable nuggets of helpful advice. Question: when adding water to an ornery clay like Pima Brown, do you go by feel or do you have some kind of moisture monitor? Also what kind of temper did you use?
I don't usually wait between coils unless the pot walls are getting floppy and not strong enough to hold up, then the amount of time to wait will depend on your temperature and relative humidity.
@@AncientPottery I met Chase with the Caddo pottery last week and learned his method of flattening the coil and building up 2-3in at a time and it is working great but taking a while between layers. I am in Arkansas and we always have high humidity. I had 2 successful fires... I really appreciate all your videos!
I just found your channel and am learning so much. Very interesting! I am wondering where I could find some clay around SLC. I’m sure southern Utah is a gold mine. Any videos about Utah clay/pottery?
Loving the channel, very interesting! I'm not on Instagram. Can I join this year's pottry challenge and where do I find out what is to be made please. Many thanks. I'm in Northern Ireland.
This video shows all the pots in this year's challenge ruclips.net/video/YLamGmqHIXk/видео.html You will have to post on Instagram if you would like your photo shared on my channel. Thanks
Turned out really good. Was the mistake you're referring to not weaving the lines in the one quarter? Still looks good though. Doesn't jump right out, had to study it a little bit before noticing. I've been thinking how to approach this design myself. Was over analyzing it until you said to just start by quartering it. 🤔🤭
My heart broke hearing that pop. But your bowl really turned out just fine. Each new vessel I make is a little bigger than the last. Working up to that 13 inch diameter.
Earlier you were saying that plywood is a new technology but the areas you currently are in are different from now. There were a very long time when trees were the constant usage, pueblo and southern tribes create structures with planks and gluing certain items together to form a more significant piece. Thus, plywood/plank could have been used for bows, houses, etc., all including wooden items, so a potter would probably get or make a hewn plank to carry/transfer wet clay forms around. They were then rotted away as leather, wood, and certain items did not preserve past the first year or decade.
Thanks for the video :) Im a teacher and want to try ancient pottery with my kids. But I’m worried about cracking during the firing and having that ruin the pots. Are there any problems associated with using too much temper beyond being harder to work? I feel like being harder to work would be a decent trade off if every kid ends up with a pot. Also, for extra info, Most of the pots would be decently small. Just a proof of concept type size.
Most of my pottery does fine, just add temper and it will be okay. Temper will make you lose some plasticity and the finished product can be weaker if you overdo it. Take a look at this video for ideas of using commercial clay with added temper. ruclips.net/video/n1zwTqlu4GI/видео.html
Andy i found clay in my backyard and I processed it with the wet process but when I pulled it out of the pillowcase it was really sticky what should I do?
I would hypothesize that the ancient potters could have readily made a bit of stiff, flat basketry to flip the pot onto; or perhaps just a fired clay platter of some sort.
Perhaps the ancient potters turned their leather-hard pots over onto a leather hide to work on them. Leather would be less likely to shift around while working, and wouldn't leave much texture on the rims of the pots.
When I was young I used to do that. Take sand paper to the finished pot, bury it in mud, all kinds of things. Now I appreciate the pots looking new and pristine and don't want them to look worn out.
I don't know if the design changes could be called mistakes. I'd think of them as "creative differences." After all, those who made the pots originally probably never made the exact same design twice.
That’s a good point and really is more the way I see it. When I make a replica I don’t try to replicate every last detail, I want to get the size approximately right and the materials pretty close to the same and the design about the same. But I don’t sweat the details because that’s just how the ancients did it. There are many ancient pots where there are multiple examples of the same pot and similar designs by different artists and that is exactly what they were doing. But of course they often were working from memory and didn’t have a smartphone.
Andy- I’m on the last chapter of Craig Chilld’s Finders keepers book. Have you read it? What is your opinion? What is the opinion of others who find primitive pottery interesting? Personally I think this would be a fascinating video topic. But maybe too controversial?
I have never read it but it is something I have meant to read for a long time. I guess I should stop procrastinating and do it. I do love his book "House of Rain".
@@AncientPottery I’ll read house of rain next time. I’m driving down to Tucson/oro valley in a few weeks. Maybe I’ll get the audio. Reading Finders keepers, I felt a little more knowledgeable because of you- “mimbres pottery, casa grande, polychrome, and corrugated etc… when he would talk about these pottery types, I would remember the examples you’ve shared. It made the reading more 3 dimensional for me. Again thanks for being such a great teacher.
Great idea. This would depend greatly on the geology near the village. People who lived on the Colorado Plateau to the north had lots of sandstone slabs available. People down in the Safford Valley where the original of the bowl was found would have been lucky to have a piece of sandstone that big.
I wonder what the ancient potter who made the pot the Michael used to make his puki, which you used to make your puki, would think to know the bottom dent has been copied into 2022! 🤣
video is most beautiful but please translate in Hindi please sir tell me paint natural paint in translate Hindi I show your videos most most beautiful video sir
There is much more to learn about things going wrong than when everything goes right. Thank you for shairing and explaining these important issues. It is also interesting to see you use one of these unforgiving clays. I never found anything else yet and I suppose Prehistoric people didn't much have the choice, but to use the clay they had close by.
Thanks. So true, those ancient potters were stuck with whatever clay was nearby.
My clay is extremely challenging...60 percent sand...I have to wet process it and it's cracky and slumpy...
Last week I found an old bag of the stuff I had processed a year ago. Omg it's perfect. If you can let your clay age it might make all the difference. Good luck !
@@GrannyGooseOnRUclips GG, you are so right. I recently used a clay that had been too fat and slumpy and with a lot of temper and the addition of another local clay in little amounts it came out great.
p.s. it has been six months since I collected it, sorry I meant to say
@@angeladazlich7145 yay! 😀
I'm at the same point with my clay. Enything under 10 inches works fine but above that it cracks on the heat up and cool down. So it's time to add more grog for the large pots. So much fun getting to know each clay type in my area.
You will get there, keep at it.
Every big bowl or pot I have ever fired above ground seems to crack, however the medium sized pieces I have made in the past mostly made it through the above ground firings! I only switched to a kiln like structure to improve the consistency of the heat, and I hate cutting wood and hauling it just to crack my pots. Too much work for that. I really appreciate the size and I like the design flaws better than the original! Thanks again and look forward to the next one!
Thanks Mark. There are definitely tricks to doing it and you have to break some pots to learn them.
Hello.I discovered your channel after looking for all kinds of RUclips videos about pottery, something I've been doing for about two years. I'm also referring to pottery and looking for sources of inspiration.I was amazed to see the models drawn on various vessels, not only from this video, from several posted on this channel.my amazement comes from only one direction....but I want to be brief and say only a few words: CUCUTENI, 6000 BC. :)
Wow! That really turned out nice, beautiful colors on it! That's a good sized bowl.
Thanks
I so appreciate your honesty.
Thanks
Lol I was one of those people whining about cracking. Thank you for guiding me in the right path. I’ve since gotten some tools and a spinning disc thing. It’s gotten a lot easier and more manageable since putting in crushed up broken pieces in the mix.
Glad to hear you are making progress.
@@AncientPottery it’s tricky but worth it. I’m annoying everyone about little things but I’m hoping everybody was annoying during the beginning lol.
@@darenmiller2218 Asking questions is how we learn.
I didn’t know (or remember?) about drying upside down for rim cracks. Glad you mentioned it. I’m guessing it’s more important for larger diameter circles than smaller ones.
Yes but even with small pots it is super important, especially for those of use living in dry climates.
@@AncientPottery here in central MT it is quite dry in comparison to WA but not nearly as dry as AZ/NM. I think I’ll error on the side of caution and make it a habit. Thank you!
I recently made a mistake about drying, that was silly in retrospect. I had a larger pitcher-shaped pot, and put it upside down to dry, and put a towel over it, thinking I was so careful... but then later I realized the towel didn't reach all the way down to the rim! Not only that, but the wooden base was wicking the rim moisture away, while the towel was slowing down the drying of the base. WHOOPS!
You kind of have to think through the details, when you move up to larger pots.
Still beautiful and lots to be proud of. Nice !
Yes thanks. I am certainly not ashamed of it.
Wow! This is awesome. I'll pass on the challenge since I'm only up to the large ashtray stage. But I can dream!
Mr. Andy, what a coincidence you had issues with temper. Remember I'm EXTREMELY new to wild clay pottery. Just yesterday I was helping my husband set large poles for his new barn and there were clumps of red clay just lying there before me. I played with some, squeezing it, rolling it, etc. I could feel the same in it but it was sticking together pretty well. Once the pole was set and I could go my own way I added a tiny bit of water. It got sticky. I kneaded and squeezed until I got all the actual lumps of clay incorporated. My idea is to just fire this clay in small, rectangle shapes to see what it does naturally, straight out of the ground. I think I'll learn something about my clay. But THIS video showed me a few things to look for. I have two, small rectangular blocks about 1"x1/2". One straight out of ground. One with clay from my bucket of clay that's been soaking in water. And one "bowl" formed in the palm of my hand. Just playing around to see what happens. We'll see!
Sounds interesting, I hope your clay works out. That is the best way to find out, just make something and try firing it and see what happens.
Soooo helpful! The best learning video for me, in front of many very good predesessors.
Thank you so much. It’s hard to know what’s good and helpful to people so I appreciate comments like this.
@@AncientPottery especially the long time between the different steps was important for me to realize, since I eagerly didn't let dry my workpiece properly.
Thank you Andy.
I work with a similar brown clay, it's way more plastic when it's wetter. It's sticky and wobbly when its wetter but doable.
Every clay has a optimal wetness for building and in some clays it needs to be wetter than others. Also we can be led astray of the clay we are used to using has different moisture needs. Ever onward.
Lots of learning happening there. I still enjoyed your presentation.
It took me too long to find your design mistake - and I feel I’m pretty good at details like this. im a fiber artist weaving, spinning etc.. I’ve made a few pieces where I made similar mistakes- no one has ever noticed until I point them out. I’m glad you didn’t point it out- but it didn’t detract from the beauty in any way. I still think it is a nice piece!
Thanks, glad you got something out of it.
I was thinking, If you made two more pukies the same size as this 12" one so you could turn the clay over by placing the second one inside the clay shape would that be easier than using the plywood? I say two pukies because one would not match the shape of the dent in this one in the vid or is getting two the same size and shape the problem? You could probably make a duplicate of this one but lining up one dent is bad enough without having to line up two dents. Sssooo as I am writing this out I see the difficulty in two pukies matching. I am leaving the comment just for giggles so please feel free to giggle.
Not a silly idea at all.
Not a bad idea, that is exactly what I did in this video ruclips.net/video/DFz3A8z7Xq4/видео.html Thanks for leaving your thoughts here.
@@AncientPottery Oh! that's nice to hear - good to know. Thanks.
Thank you
You're welcome
I feel a bit better about my wild clay, it's a bit cracky, but not as bad as the one you used here! We're working on the owl effigy pot at our house, though we am going to try it with reduced iron oxide mineral paint, rather than organic paint. Can't wait to see the result (and post it on Instagram)... even if it's a disaster, ha! It'll either be cool, or a hilarious misadventure.
Fun project no matter how it comes out. Looking forward ti seeing what you make.
I love watching you make things!
Thanks
If I need to flip a large vessel base. I make a pillow of whatever will do the job.. with pillow in my lap ... or in the vessel base...have both hands to flip the vessel base/assembly , on to my lap.. all at once.
The pillow makes the motion more of a roll over... than a flip.
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If the pillow is made the right size... it should work on a bench top... its really about having both hands free to do the roll over...
Rolling onto my lap provides a inclined angle ...somewhat padded... to catch the item .
And it's at an angle easy to reach under with both hands/arms... to lift it to a working position.
Good tip, thanks.
3:45 Is there any reason they wouldn't/couldn't use a second puki that was comparably sized and shaped to hold the piece by turning it out onto the outside of the second puki?
Actually that's what I did in a previous video and it works great. If you have the correct sized puki.
I just started using my clay and it’s very poor plasticity was discouraging but heck. I’m going to make a coffee mug out of it and see how it goes.
I’ve done some test tiles on various cone settings and have determined cone 3 is my max. Cone 04 is a totally different color but very good and cone 15 is again quite different color and the bottom end & not as strong but still serviceable.
Thanks for the encouragement!!! Perfect timing!!!
Looking forward to tomorrow night.
Sounds like you are making progress. I hope you mean tonight, Zoom class is tonight.
😆😮 this was so educational it gives me courage to go ahead and try pottery making thank you!❤
Glad I could encourage you. Thanks.
Hi Andy! I have to thank you for the hard work you do on this channel. Your enthusiasm for ancient pottery is really contagious and I appreciate you taking the time to share it with the world!
I'm from the States, but I recently had occasion to go to Greece and visit the National Archaeological Museum in Athens. There's so much history in that one building it makes your head spin, and among their collection are these incredible ancient bowls and jugs. It's clear from the videos I've seen on your channel that your heart lies with the native cultures of the American Southwest, but have you ever worked with/learned about/replicated the styles of these ancient Greek pieces or the like? I'd be curious to know more about the similarities and differences between the two, half the world and centuries or millennia apart from each other. Thanks again!
Thanks. There is a professor at the University of Arizona who has studied Greek pottery and has even built a classic Greek kiln here in Tucson. I contacted her a few moths ago about shooting a video, I should probably follow up and try to make that happen.
@@AncientPottery That sounds amazing.
@@AncientPottery have you seen ancient hittite wine jug from cappadocia region in Turkey? There’s some RUclips videos of how to make it.
That clay seems a lot like the stuff I find in Canberra. So far I haven't had much luck woodfiring that clay, I'll try again with more temper sometime.
Keep trying, you will get it
Nice complete video. It's nice to see the entire process. I've had more issues with cracks in larger pots than smaller ones. I wonder if they tend to need more temper because of their size?
Certainly more stress in the larger vessels that can result in cracks. I may have made a mistake in processing and mixing temper, I am terrible with numbers, like I can't remember them from one second to the next.
My clay is similar to yours. Hard to work with and not very plastic. It is too cold to five right now. I need to wait for a dry windless day.
I usually amend this clay a little more but wanted to preserve the brown color. Winter weather can sure make it hard to fire.
Sure nice bowl you made there..errors as well ..gives us all some hope..will be trying this soon but ive no source of brown..buff it is then..liking the voice over worked out well.
Thank you. Funny, brown clay is super abundant here.
Thanks for a video full of valuable nuggets of helpful advice. Question: when adding water to an ornery clay like Pima Brown, do you go by feel or do you have some kind of moisture monitor? Also what kind of temper did you use?
You're welcome. I add water by feel. This was tempered with sherds, which is also an inaccuracy because Encinas R-B was sand tempered.
How long are you waiting between coils so that it hardens enough to support the next layer? Thanks,
Gunnar
I don't usually wait between coils unless the pot walls are getting floppy and not strong enough to hold up, then the amount of time to wait will depend on your temperature and relative humidity.
@@AncientPottery I met Chase with the Caddo pottery last week and learned his method of flattening the coil and building up 2-3in at a time and it is working great but taking a while between layers. I am in Arkansas and we always have high humidity. I had 2 successful fires... I really appreciate all your videos!
How much clay do you have stored to use?
I have a lot of dry clay sitting around, but I only mix up as much wet clay as I will be using soon.
I just found your channel and am learning so much. Very interesting! I am wondering where I could find some clay around SLC. I’m sure southern Utah is a gold mine. Any videos about Utah clay/pottery?
No I don't have any videos about Utah. But the Southwest Kiln COnference will be in Blanding, Utah this fall, you should attend www.swkiln.com
Loving the channel, very interesting! I'm not on Instagram. Can I join this year's pottry challenge and where do I find out what is to be made please. Many thanks. I'm in Northern Ireland.
This video shows all the pots in this year's challenge ruclips.net/video/YLamGmqHIXk/видео.html You will have to post on Instagram if you would like your photo shared on my channel. Thanks
@@AncientPottery thank you! 😊
Could the NA have used a baked slab of clay to flip the puki?
Yes but we don't find slabs of clay in the archaeological record. Slabs of stone sometimes though...
@@AncientPotteryhuh. Right. It seems like a slab would have been the second major use of clay right after the pot. Thanks.
Turned out really good. Was the mistake you're referring to not weaving the lines in the one quarter? Still looks good though. Doesn't jump right out, had to study it a little bit before noticing. I've been thinking how to approach this design myself. Was over analyzing it until you said to just start by quartering it. 🤔🤭
Yes, you found it. First look for those framing lines, once you get those it is just a matter of filling in.
My heart broke hearing that pop. But your bowl really turned out just fine.
Each new vessel I make is a little bigger than the last. Working up to that 13 inch diameter.
Baby steps...
Earlier you were saying that plywood is a new technology but the areas you currently are in are different from now. There were a very long time when trees were the constant usage, pueblo and southern tribes create structures with planks and gluing certain items together to form a more significant piece. Thus, plywood/plank could have been used for bows, houses, etc., all including wooden items, so a potter would probably get or make a hewn plank to carry/transfer wet clay forms around. They were then rotted away as leather, wood, and certain items did not preserve past the first year or decade.
Thanks for the video :) Im a teacher and want to try ancient pottery with my kids. But I’m worried about cracking during the firing and having that ruin the pots. Are there any problems associated with using too much temper beyond being harder to work? I feel like being harder to work would be a decent trade off if every kid ends up with a pot. Also, for extra info, Most of the pots would be decently small. Just a proof of concept type size.
Most of my pottery does fine, just add temper and it will be okay. Temper will make you lose some plasticity and the finished product can be weaker if you overdo it. Take a look at this video for ideas of using commercial clay with added temper. ruclips.net/video/n1zwTqlu4GI/видео.html
Andy i found clay in my backyard and I processed it with the wet process but when I pulled it out of the pillowcase it was really sticky what should I do?
Let it dry longer, its still too wet if it is sticky
Do you apply a makers mark to your pots, distingushing them as recreations and not authintic prehistorical pottery ware?
I sign them
A flat stone?! or a fired clay tile?!
Could that work instead of plywood?
Sure
I would hypothesize that the ancient potters could have readily made a bit of stiff, flat basketry to flip the pot onto; or perhaps just a fired clay platter of some sort.
That’s a good thought. They definitely had woven mats which would work well for that task.
What happens if you use too much temperature? Like 30% or 40%
At around 50% temper the clay will stop sticking together and become unusable.
Perhaps the ancient potters turned their leather-hard pots over onto a leather hide to work on them. Leather would be less likely to shift around while working, and wouldn't leave much texture on the rims of the pots.
Not a bad idea. I should get myself a big piece of leather to try this with. Thanks!
As thin as some Mimbres bowls are, I could almost imagine them using an upside down successful bowl as a convex mold .
Definitely a possibility.
Have to ever made a pot look old to mimic an ancient one?
When I was young I used to do that. Take sand paper to the finished pot, bury it in mud, all kinds of things. Now I appreciate the pots looking new and pristine and don't want them to look worn out.
Oh and as far as what people would’ve done when turning it over, I would assume it’d be a piece of leather stretched tight across it.
Yes, thanks, leather could have been useful in that way. I am hoping to find a big piece of leather soon to try in this way.
10:03 snap crackle pop 😬 😒
Yes definitely. Ouch!
I don't know if the design changes could be called mistakes. I'd think of them as "creative differences." After all, those who made the pots originally probably never made the exact same design twice.
That’s a good point and really is more the way I see it. When I make a replica I don’t try to replicate every last detail, I want to get the size approximately right and the materials pretty close to the same and the design about the same. But I don’t sweat the details because that’s just how the ancients did it. There are many ancient pots where there are multiple examples of the same pot and similar designs by different artists and that is exactly what they were doing. But of course they often were working from memory and didn’t have a smartphone.
I bet they flipped it onto a big piece of bark.
Wait, it's the southwest. Probably not big enough trees in the desert. Maybe rawhide.
Both are good suggestions and there are large trees here, pines and cottonwoods get quite large here.
I’d use a bowl that had already been fired to drape the new bowl over.
I guess they could've made a round wicker panel to flip their bowls, don't need a board for that.
Good point they were masters of basketry
Andy- I’m on the last chapter of Craig Chilld’s Finders keepers book. Have you read it? What is your opinion? What is the opinion of others who find primitive pottery interesting? Personally I think this would be a fascinating video topic. But maybe too controversial?
I have never read it but it is something I have meant to read for a long time. I guess I should stop procrastinating and do it. I do love his book "House of Rain".
@@AncientPottery I’ll read house of rain next time. I’m driving down to Tucson/oro valley in a few weeks. Maybe I’ll get the audio. Reading Finders keepers, I felt a little more knowledgeable because of you- “mimbres pottery, casa grande, polychrome, and corrugated etc… when he would talk about these pottery types, I would remember the examples you’ve shared. It made the reading more 3 dimensional for me. Again thanks for being such a great teacher.
thin piece of sandstone
Great idea. This would depend greatly on the geology near the village. People who lived on the Colorado Plateau to the north had lots of sandstone slabs available. People down in the Safford Valley where the original of the bowl was found would have been lucky to have a piece of sandstone that big.
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I wonder what the ancient potter who made the pot the Michael used to make his puki, which you used to make your puki, would think to know the bottom dent has been copied into 2022! 🤣
True, pretty crazy to think about. How many pots have that same dent?
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