What would YOU do on the river with A♣ T♦? Your Stack (CO): 695,000 Their Stack (BTN): 2,200,000 Pot: 325,000 Board: 3♦ 9♥ 7♣ 2♠ 8♦ You check, BTN bets 300,000 A) Fold B) Call C) Raise to 695,000 (all-in)
I did this test without seeing the KT(using your email). First I was thinking about a fold, than I analyses the hand deeper. What are the BTN value bet? not so many hands. what are his bluffs: 2 broadway cards without an A.... So I decide on a CALL
Ez jam with T, blocks JT and T6s Fox never have. Fox always cbet flop with JT, Wilsons stack almost same as pot, profitable jam for me. Lets see (sorry for my bad English).
So hard to say impartially when you're looking at the hole cards. Yes, it seems like a great spot to bluff catch. Brock clearly beats no value hands but does beat all bluffs. Still, would I have the temerity to call half my short stack with A-high? Honestly, probably not.
The thing is MOST of these excellent players would be completely unfamiliar to me but statistically I'm crap at 0.01 / 0.02 and I'm likely to be the absolutely weakest player in a 10k tournament I've lucked into so in certain situations I know I have to call more than in my £20 tournaments precisely because I'm going to blasted around by strong players
GTO poker is something I am in the process of learning more about. I bought Acevedo's book to start down that road. I can't wait to see some of Brock's teachings. His methods and my own GTO study should be a good combination.
I'm still constantly using that book and I've had it for 3 years. I'm never going to be a real GTO Maria Ho-type player, but the more I learn about it, the more solid my baseline is.
@@palamambron I just read a chapter this morning. Right after finishing it I went back and started it over. So much great information was there I wanted make sure I picked it up fully. I will no doubt be reading this book many times, it's deep but very readable.
I assume a lot comes down to preflop. If Wilson being only 16 BBs deep skews the preflop calling range away from middle connected cards and more towards broadway cards the call gets a lot easier. I'm even less sure how that plays out with multiple 45+ BB stacks. If we started deeper and faced a pot sized bet on that river and all previous action is the same, I'd definitely fold. Here I can see a world they just don't have enough 7s, 8s, and 9s to have made a pair on that board with much of their range and needing to call but I certainly don't know the spot well enough to have any idea.
Having just followed your analysis, I think that Wilson SHOULD call. Elio perhaps would have raised hands on the flop and or turn that make straights on the river so Wilson can discount those. Elio could have A8h-A8s and K8c-K8h-K8s and 87h 87s but Elio also will have lots more combos of KT-QT QJ both off suit and suited that would take this line. I would probably fold myself thinking 'what can I beat ' ?
Surely GTO requires that Elio should bet occasionally on the flop with some hands (slightly weaker) in order that he can bluff more on the turn. Otherwise Wilson can pressure him on blank rivers a lot with slightly worse hands than his AT?
I would have called, but maybe because of the wrong reasons. My rationale would be that the button should have bet hands that connect with the flop on the flop or the turn often, so it's not likely that he connected to the flop. Also, if he had a small or medium pocket he should bet at least on the turn to protect it as the turn card is practically the best that can happen to a small pair. Heroes range is full of high cards. Hero does block JTs and T8s, both fall into the category that could have bet before often, so what's the valuerange of the Button? Me figures it is likely a 8 of which he has not a ton or maybe a 7 of which he has only a little more (like A7s, 87s, 76s). He also has a lot of face cards which he can bluff. I am not quite convinced that AK-AJ would have been bad calls because the valuerange of the Button is actually small. Even if having a K, Q or a J is blocking hands that would check the flop or the turn and the T is blocking hands that bet, because of the small value range of the button there should be easily enough bluffs left for button. Button may have some face card combinations offsuit and he has certainly less combinations with a T offsuit. AT is a better call than AK-AQ, that's true, but if you fold these hands on the river you would fold a lot. KQ-KT I would fold. But probably not any ace.
Elio's "hesitant" button range makes sense to bet the flop large with a polarized range and be believable. He could then barrel the turn and river and still make logical sense to push Brock off the hand. If Elio gets reraised, he would know to fold. But it's unlikely that Brock will reraise a flop that so heavily favors Elio's "weaker card" range unless he suspected that Elio's range had only draws. Because elio checks the flop, he now has to check the turn and busted river because the SPR isnt big enough to scare the ace away using a larger sizing. If he bets smaller with his entire range, the ace could look him up for cheap. If he bets large, then it would just make Brock more suspicious, but theoretically maybe a 2x pot on river may shake the tree hard enough to generate a fold
9/10 fold unless I know my opponent plays very lose. If he did have a mid pair on the board he might want to raise that turn, in order to prevent a face card coming out on river and I might read that as a bluff. Still 90% fold right there. Great call.
Considering its the final table, i would probably fold, so i could still have 13ish bbs to try and double with. With all that said though the way Brock played this hand makes his range appear very marginal which could be a reason to try and bluff catch especially blocking JT, T8 etc.
The only better hands I could have on the river are AK-AJ (Wilson cant open any 2x or 3x from early positon with that stack size) but IP isn't going to value bet with AT anyway (I can imagine AQ being a thin value bet) so they all rank similarly. I would definitely call frequently against good opponents
The problem for me is it seems like every time I have blockers my opponent still has the hand anyway. Worst is when I flop a set and am like well can’t have the hand more blocked than this and they have the 4th to make their straight.
Hi Jonathan I think the ship has sailed on the x/r all in. What is Brock saying he has if he does this? I get checking with a set or AA oop on the flop, no harm in letting your opponent catch up a bit. Even on that brick turn a check is fine. But when his opponent checks back twice Brock has a mandatory lead on the river with his value hands. It would be a disaster to see your aces or set check thru. So to sum it up I just don't think a x/r bluff is believable. So should he hero call? Definitely worth considering. As played his opponent has got to the river with quite a few junky offsuit broadways eg KJo, QTo, QJo, even ATo himself. What can we read into the large sizing? Fox is pretty much saying he has a set that was trapping, a str8, or nothing. For that reason I like AT as a call down more so than a hand like say 55, as you are somewhat blocking JT. Still not an easy call to make, as as a short stack losing another 300,000 chips would be... less than ideal. Conclusion tho: call.
I would hink about calling here, getting roughly 33% to break even on the call (my ICM concerns are minimal being the short stack). I think the combos Fox is representing on the river are very few given the polarity, only really 2 combos of 78s, given that he checks the 7 on the flop and turn. Some checked through slowplays, 9-12 combos (cut it out to 4-8 given that he does it at a 25-67% frequency). All his other combos thats lacking showdown value in his range really want to bluff here. ( 80+ combos?) I think this can be a slam dunk call. At least not a bad call.
I would fold, considering that small pockets that did not connect beat my hand, or any 8 or any 7, but constructing a range to hero call with on the river, recognizing which cards are good to have and which are not is something I've yet to master, but wouldn't have queen jack suited/king-jack suited/king queen suited reraise pre? Calling a pot size bet with half my stack, unless I'd have really put him on those bluffing range and was so sure he was bluffing with those ranges, I'd have folded.
Calling is out of the question. It’s a fold or all in. I can’t narrow it down to one or the other because I can already see the hole cards and the myriad of other factors. If I had to say one or the other I’d fold just because A10o is a weak bluff catcher. Oops looks like I was wrong
I’m not sure why this is a world class call? I mean the logic is fairly intuitive. I mostly play cash sure, and at lower limits this would be an easier call when your checking down A10 because opponents won’t value bet thin enough on rivers making it a little more polarised however if your taking this line with A10 I think calling river is pretty standard?
I don't understand, doesn't having a 10 in Brock's hand mean he block some of the bluffs the opponent can have? This is assuming opponent will not have a straight in their range. So shouldn't this be a fold on the river?
You have some really good content and insights, but have you thought about doing faster videos? For example, not running every move twice? You could add your comments as they play...
it is a great call, but let's say i'm playing the 220$ buy-in donkey-mtt at my local casino calling this would be suicide, even against "the best" player of the tournament
Either he's bluffing with nothing or slow playing and you're crushed. All in is too risky and overkill against bluffs you beat. Folding is an option. But most likely he's got nothing and taking a stab, so call.
Shove. Elio came in with two players still to act, so his hand needs to be strong. He would need to have at least an Ace or a King. Because of this, I can rule out Elio having a straight. The board does not complete a flush. He would have raised by now if he had a pocket pair. Therefore, I think he's bluffing. I shove.
I hate all this GTO crap, i wish poker went back to players chatting and relying on their reads etc to win, become the most boring game ever to watch now and not fun to play either, we aren’t computers lol
Get out of here with this master of short stack tournament poker. Brock Wilson cheats by looking at RTA between hands therefore knowing how to play preflop with icm and versus stacks at his table.
That's not what happened at all. Brock was studying poker while not in a hand, reviewing an old hand that he played which is currently totally within the rules. It's just like a person listening to a poker podcast or watching a training video while playing poker. If the tournament series would like to prevent all forms of poker study while at the table, I'm sure Brock would happily oblige, but he did nothing wrong and certainly does not use RTA as you've mentioned.
@@PokerCoaching When you're looking at stack sizes, ICM, then preflop charts based on that information that is a 100% RTA. You basically remove any need in knowing how to play short stack tournament poker. Let's not get into the fact he had to jailbreak his phone, install a windows/linux operating system ( operating system like app) just to be able to install PIOSolver. We are also talking about someone who when the pros who say this solver on phone started a little over two years ago is exactly the same time Brock won his first big tournament.
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What would YOU do on the river with A♣ T♦?
Your Stack (CO): 695,000
Their Stack (BTN): 2,200,000
Pot: 325,000
Board: 3♦ 9♥ 7♣ 2♠ 8♦
You check, BTN bets 300,000
A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise to 695,000 (all-in)
c/r allin for value
I did this test without seeing the KT(using your email). First I was thinking about a fold, than I analyses the hand deeper. What are the BTN value bet? not so many hands. what are his bluffs: 2 broadway cards without an A.... So I decide on a CALL
I'm honest and watched the video for your results before I reply....call is the right answer
Ez jam with T, blocks JT and T6s Fox never have. Fox always cbet flop with JT, Wilsons stack almost same as pot, profitable jam for me. Lets see (sorry for my bad English).
So hard to say impartially when you're looking at the hole cards. Yes, it seems like a great spot to bluff catch. Brock clearly beats no value hands but does beat all bluffs. Still, would I have the temerity to call half my short stack with A-high? Honestly, probably not.
The thing is MOST of these excellent players would be completely unfamiliar to me but statistically I'm crap at 0.01 / 0.02 and I'm likely to be the absolutely weakest player in a 10k tournament I've lucked into so in certain situations I know I have to call more than in my £20 tournaments precisely because I'm going to blasted around by strong players
I would have folded without even thinking about it.... probably why I'm still playing the micros and losing 😢😂.
GTO poker is something I am in the process of learning more about. I bought Acevedo's book to start down that road. I can't wait to see some of Brock's teachings. His methods and my own GTO study should be a good combination.
I'm still constantly using that book and I've had it for 3 years. I'm never going to be a real GTO Maria Ho-type player, but the more I learn about it, the more solid my baseline is.
@@palamambron I just read a chapter this morning. Right after finishing it I went back and started it over. So much great information was there I wanted make sure I picked it up fully. I will no doubt be reading this book many times, it's deep but very readable.
What's the name of the Acevedo's book?
@@paologaleani6479 Modern Poker Theory
I assume a lot comes down to preflop. If Wilson being only 16 BBs deep skews the preflop calling range away from middle connected cards and more towards broadway cards the call gets a lot easier. I'm even less sure how that plays out with multiple 45+ BB stacks.
If we started deeper and faced a pot sized bet on that river and all previous action is the same, I'd definitely fold. Here I can see a world they just don't have enough 7s, 8s, and 9s to have made a pair on that board with much of their range and needing to call but I certainly don't know the spot well enough to have any idea.
Having just followed your analysis, I think that Wilson SHOULD call. Elio perhaps would have raised hands on the flop and or turn that make straights on the river so Wilson can discount those. Elio could have A8h-A8s and K8c-K8h-K8s and 87h 87s but Elio also will have lots more combos of KT-QT QJ both off suit and suited that would take this line. I would probably fold myself thinking 'what can I beat ' ?
Surely GTO requires that Elio should bet occasionally on the flop with some hands (slightly weaker) in order that he can bluff more on the turn. Otherwise Wilson can pressure him on blank rivers a lot with slightly worse hands than his AT?
If he bets smaller on river, say 66%. Does our bluff catching frequency change? Your pot odds are better. But his bet is also no longer polarized
I would have called, but maybe because of the wrong reasons. My rationale would be that the button should have bet hands that connect with the flop on the flop or the turn often, so it's not likely that he connected to the flop. Also, if he had a small or medium pocket he should bet at least on the turn to protect it as the turn card is practically the best that can happen to a small pair. Heroes range is full of high cards. Hero does block JTs and T8s, both fall into the category that could have bet before often, so what's the valuerange of the Button? Me figures it is likely a 8 of which he has not a ton or maybe a 7 of which he has only a little more (like A7s, 87s, 76s). He also has a lot of face cards which he can bluff.
I am not quite convinced that AK-AJ would have been bad calls because the valuerange of the Button is actually small. Even if having a K, Q or a J is blocking hands that would check the flop or the turn and the T is blocking hands that bet, because of the small value range of the button there should be easily enough bluffs left for button. Button may have some face card combinations offsuit and he has certainly less combinations with a T offsuit. AT is a better call than AK-AQ, that's true, but if you fold these hands on the river you would fold a lot. KQ-KT I would fold. But probably not any ace.
Elio's "hesitant" button range makes sense to bet the flop large with a polarized range and be believable. He could then barrel the turn and river and still make logical sense to push Brock off the hand.
If Elio gets reraised, he would know to fold. But it's unlikely that Brock will reraise a flop that so heavily favors Elio's "weaker card" range unless he suspected that Elio's range had only draws.
Because elio checks the flop, he now has to check the turn and busted river because the SPR isnt big enough to scare the ace away using a larger sizing.
If he bets smaller with his entire range, the ace could look him up for cheap. If he bets large, then it would just make Brock more suspicious, but theoretically maybe a 2x pot on river may shake the tree hard enough to generate a fold
I'm guessing that Brock should call a 75k-100k bet on the flop if Elio did bet as he does has 2 over cards and a backdoor straight draw
I really wish they had all the positions in the graphics instead of just the button. Or at the very least, the blinds.
9/10 fold unless I know my opponent plays very lose. If he did have a mid pair on the board he might want to raise that turn, in order to prevent a face card coming out on river and I might read that as a bluff. Still 90% fold right there. Great call.
Considering its the final table, i would probably fold, so i could still have 13ish bbs to try and double with. With all that said though the way Brock played this hand makes his range appear very marginal which could be a reason to try and bluff catch especially blocking JT, T8 etc.
The only better hands I could have on the river are AK-AJ (Wilson cant open any 2x or 3x from early positon with that stack size) but IP isn't going to value bet with AT anyway (I can imagine AQ being a thin value bet) so they all rank similarly. I would definitely call frequently against good opponents
The problem for me is it seems like every time I have blockers my opponent still has the hand anyway. Worst is when I flop a set and am like well can’t have the hand more blocked than this and they have the 4th to make their straight.
Check raise all in. I've got the 10 blocker
Yeah, I don’t see myself calling this at a final table. Great call though, much respect. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hi Jonathan I think the ship has sailed on the x/r all in. What is Brock saying he has if he does this? I get checking with a set or AA oop on the flop, no harm in letting your opponent catch up a bit. Even on that brick turn a check is fine. But when his opponent checks back twice Brock has a mandatory lead on the river with his value hands. It would be a disaster to see your aces or set check thru. So to sum it up I just don't think a x/r bluff is believable. So should he hero call? Definitely worth considering. As played his opponent has got to the river with quite a few junky offsuit broadways eg KJo, QTo, QJo, even ATo himself. What can we read into the large sizing? Fox is pretty much saying he has a set that was trapping, a str8, or nothing. For that reason I like AT as a call down more so than a hand like say 55, as you are somewhat blocking JT. Still not an easy call to make, as as a short stack losing another 300,000 chips would be... less than ideal. Conclusion tho: call.
I would hink about calling here, getting roughly 33% to break even on the call (my ICM concerns are minimal being the short stack). I think the combos Fox is representing on the river are very few given the polarity, only really 2 combos of 78s, given that he checks the 7 on the flop and turn. Some checked through slowplays, 9-12 combos (cut it out to 4-8 given that he does it at a 25-67% frequency). All his other combos thats lacking showdown value in his range really want to bluff here. ( 80+ combos?) I think this can be a slam dunk call. At least not a bad call.
Would shoving over the top have any fold equity here or is A10 too strong to turn into a bluff + it blocks A7,A8 which might fold to a small raise?
Impressive…most impressive
And he ends up winning this event! Sick!
Yo poker players, which leaderboard is Coach Little getting his info from? I just want to look at it and see who else is on that leaderboard.
Global Poker Index.
I would fold, considering that small pockets that did not connect beat my hand, or any 8 or any 7, but constructing a range to hero call with on the river, recognizing which cards are good to have and which are not is something I've yet to master, but wouldn't have queen jack suited/king-jack suited/king queen suited reraise pre? Calling a pot size bet with half my stack, unless I'd have really put him on those bluffing range and was so sure he was bluffing with those ranges, I'd have folded.
Calling is out of the question. It’s a fold or all in. I can’t narrow it down to one or the other because I can already see the hole cards and the myriad of other factors. If I had to say one or the other I’d fold just because A10o is a weak bluff catcher.
Oops looks like I was wrong
I’m not sure why this is a world class call? I mean the logic is fairly intuitive. I mostly play cash sure, and at lower limits this would be an easier call when your checking down A10 because opponents won’t value bet thin enough on rivers making it a little more polarised however if your taking this line with A10 I think calling river is pretty standard?
I don't understand, doesn't having a 10 in Brock's hand mean he block some of the bluffs the opponent can have? This is assuming opponent will not have a straight in their range. So shouldn't this be a fold on the river?
Check-raise!
I'd never have called, but i might shove, if i think the other guy is aggressive enough.
With his short stack he can't afford to fold.
Not…the shortstack mastering instructional video I was looking for.
Call
Since it checked down I would fold. However, I think I would have bet the turn.
You have some really good content and insights, but have you thought about doing faster videos? For example, not running every move twice? You could add your comments as they play...
With 7,8,9, out there as a possible straight I don't have, probably fold.
I would fold 100%
blocks no bluffs? meanwhile opponent bluffing w. KTs : )
I would fold.
it is a great call, but let's say i'm playing the 220$ buy-in donkey-mtt at my local casino calling this would be suicide, even against "the best" player of the tournament
I would absolutely fold, I am very bad making hero calls
He could turn 44s into value obv.
Either he's bluffing with nothing or slow playing and you're crushed. All in is too risky and overkill against bluffs you beat. Folding is an option. But most likely he's got nothing and taking a stab, so call.
Why call though? You’re running with an ace high. It should either be fold or reraise in an effort to scare the other guy away.
2 years wilson and soverel had time to learn how to wear a mask...
Shove. Elio came in with two players still to act, so his hand needs to be strong. He would need to have at least an Ace or a King. Because of this, I can rule out Elio having a straight. The board does not complete a flush. He would have raised by now if he had a pocket pair. Therefore, I think he's bluffing. I shove.
FOLD
There’s no “Two” in poker, there’s a deuce.
I would have folded....
Fold
Obvi
Fold like a wimp
Couldn’t fox just bet 125 flop, 300 on turn and jam river he would of folded turn or river
I C-Bet the flop
These analysis make no sense when seeing hole cards. This was very badly played from wilson
I hate all this GTO crap, i wish poker went back to players chatting and relying on their reads etc to win, become the most boring game ever to watch now and not fun to play either, we aren’t computers lol
Tournament players are not the best in the world. They would not profit at 10nl
Get out of here with this master of short stack tournament poker. Brock Wilson cheats by looking at RTA between hands therefore knowing how to play preflop with icm and versus stacks at his table.
That's not what happened at all. Brock was studying poker while not in a hand, reviewing an old hand that he played which is currently totally within the rules. It's just like a person listening to a poker podcast or watching a training video while playing poker. If the tournament series would like to prevent all forms of poker study while at the table, I'm sure Brock would happily oblige, but he did nothing wrong and certainly does not use RTA as you've mentioned.
@@PokerCoaching
When you're looking at stack sizes, ICM, then preflop charts based on that information that is a 100% RTA. You basically remove any need in knowing how to play short stack tournament poker. Let's not get into the fact he had to jailbreak his phone, install a windows/linux operating system ( operating system like app) just to be able to install PIOSolver. We are also talking about someone who when the pros who say this solver on phone started a little over two years ago is exactly the same time Brock won his first big tournament.