Love watching Doohan totally repel Ellison's pessimism. Ellison's opinion of Star Trek is so low. He wanted to "own" the characters--make them do things they'd never do--make them tragic. Doohan sees Ellison trying to "recast" the series, or spin it. Glad he's strong enough to counter him.
Harlen is just so bitter. I saw him do some clips for the Sci Fi channel's anniversary showing of Star Trek and he was still bitter. Very bitter guy that they "butchered" his story of City On The Edge Of Forever. I liked James and Walter standing up to him a little bit because despite Harlen's elitist views if he had run that show instead of Gene, there would never have been a Star Trek! Great series of post's seeing it now at age 44 and growing up with Trek TOS so much, thanks!
I bet Harlan would be raving over how great Trek was if they had kept his original script for Trek and had McCoy selling drugs on a streetcorner or whatever he had in there.
ZombiestRevolution: I fear that he's becoming like George Carlin did before he died. Carlin was a " bitter old git ". At least Ellison owns up to being a crotchety old man at times, & he doesn't harangue & swear at an audience. Sometimes his readers get reamed out. He still beats the drum about the script for " City on the Edge of Forever ".
Harlan Ellison has always been a great writer, but he's not a Star Trek writer. He wanted Edith Keeler to die because Kirk had failed to put his duty before his own interests. Rather than have Kirk stop McCoy from saving Edith, Harlan wanted her to die because Kirk was paralyzed. Heaven forfend that our hero be heroic.
If you read Harlan's book "The City on the Edge of Forever", he explains that Gene Roddenberry badmouthed Harlan and his original script for decades spreading untruths that the fans accepted as gospel. So after 30 years, yes he gets cranky about it. Harlan is just offering a differing opinion about Star Trek. After seeing how Ronald D. Moore turned Battlestar Galactica into a deep and complex show, Star Trek doesn't hold up as well for me. But that's just my opinion, no need to argue.
Love Koenig's final words... Damn straight!
Love watching Doohan totally repel Ellison's pessimism. Ellison's opinion of Star Trek is so low. He wanted to "own" the characters--make them do things they'd never do--make them tragic. Doohan sees Ellison trying to "recast" the series, or spin it. Glad he's strong enough to counter him.
when Harlen equates intellectualism with the going to a Nader convention...you know he's a nut case
Harlen is just so bitter. I saw him do some clips for the Sci Fi channel's anniversary showing of Star Trek and he was still bitter. Very bitter guy that they "butchered" his story of City On The Edge Of Forever. I liked James and Walter standing up to him a little bit because despite Harlen's elitist views if he had run that show instead of Gene, there would never have been a Star Trek! Great series of post's seeing it now at age 44 and growing up with Trek TOS so much, thanks!
I bet Harlan would be raving over how great Trek was if they had kept his original script for Trek and had McCoy selling drugs on a streetcorner or whatever he had in there.
I, too, have had a brief meeting with Harlan Ellison. He gives the term "Dique" a bad name.
he is cynical and a tad bitter, but he is still spot on with his analysis
Well, I guess this is what you get when you ask Leo Getz about Star Trek... He doesn't getz it.
ZombiestRevolution:
I fear that he's becoming like George Carlin did before he died.
Carlin was a " bitter old git ".
At least Ellison owns up to being a crotchety old man at times, & he doesn't harangue & swear at an audience. Sometimes his readers get reamed out.
He still beats the drum about the script for " City on the Edge of Forever ".
Harlan Ellison has always been a great writer, but he's not a Star Trek writer.
He wanted Edith Keeler to die because Kirk had failed to put his duty before his own interests. Rather than have Kirk stop McCoy from saving Edith, Harlan wanted her to die because Kirk was paralyzed.
Heaven forfend that our hero be heroic.
Mr Ellison is some kind of Mr Bitterness.
So negative and disillusioned.
Hope I never get to be like that...
Harlan sounds jealous of star trek.
And that's when he was a bitter young fool.
If you read Harlan's book "The City on the Edge of Forever", he explains that Gene Roddenberry badmouthed Harlan and his original script for decades spreading untruths that the fans accepted as gospel. So after 30 years, yes he gets cranky about it. Harlan is just offering a differing opinion about Star Trek. After seeing how Ronald D. Moore turned Battlestar Galactica into a deep and complex show, Star Trek doesn't hold up as well for me. But that's just my opinion, no need to argue.
Harlan Ellison is ok by me.
Walter Koenig, I dont like his behavior.
Love DeForest and Doohan! :)