Why The Battlestar Galactica Spin-offs Failed | BSG Retrospective
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Battlestar Galactica has never been able to launch a successful spin-off much to the bewilderment of fans and critics. Recently the reimagined series' co-creator David Eick spoke about why the various spin-off attempts didn’t work. In this video I consider Eick’s comments and examine the reasons why these spin-off attempts failed.
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Caprica was really good (story plot, acing, and CGI were all great) the problem with the series was it took forever to get it on the air, there was no plan to keep the BSG Universe going, in the end many people moved on from Scifi (SyFy). The same goes from the blood and chrome prequel, in the end they release just a movie.
That logo change marked the beginning of the end for the SciFi network. It was in a golden age before that. BSG, SG1, Atlantis, Eureka, Warehouse 13. They had it all and they flushed it down the toilet.
I watched Sci-Fi channel from the literal beginning and I absolutely agree with your assessment. Right down the bowl.
The logo change was not bad in and of itself. The problem with "SciFi" is that it was not copyrightable. "SyFy" is copyrightable. However, the logo change did herald the end as it was one of the first visible actions of the new management team who drove the channel into the ground. The actual death knell was teh seating of the new management.
Science fiction is not reality programming or wrestling, if you are a sports fan, you watch a sports network, not one labeled SyFy!
They had so many amazing IPs and shows, and now what do they have... yeah
When you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no-one.
Don't care about forced demographics that's for the Alphabets.
@@johnashton4776 This was at a time when "woke" was really getting started. There is a reason certain shows and genres have their own demographics, it has nothing to do with representation, and when you try to push representation, or "the message" it screws it up. "The patriarchy" didn't force most girls into liking Barbie, and most boys into liking Tonka Trucks. These are all flawed Marxist ideas that have come out of the Frankfurt Schools takeover of the social sciences, and long march through the institutions. Coupled with executives who are trying desperately to fit a square peg in a round hole in the hopes of growing their audience. All they've done is alienate the loyal fans they did have, who now will not introduce these established IPs to their children. If they want to appeal to different demographics then come up with NEW shows that cater to what those demographics like to watch. Don't try to convert existing IPs.
Maybe there’s more than one way to please everyone.
I'm glad I grew up watching the original BattleStar Galactica and 2004 Battlestar Galactica.
I'm probably one of a handful that actually liked Caprica. I liked seeing the Colonies and how religion and technology interplayed. I wish Ron Moore had been more involved and they incorporated the Final Five sooner than they intended.
Loved Caprica! The sort of ending of Caprica showed us the story that was going to unfold … I get that it was aimed at a larger demographic than BSG, and I was fine with that. And I would still like to see where Caprica could've gone. It's certainly more relevant today than it was at the time, though the VR segments were kinda cheesy even at the time. All of the intrigue though, and the building of the Cylons, the organized crime, and the class and almost caste system of the colonies pre-Cylon-war, yeah I'd like to see where that all goes.
I liked Caprica too.
I never watched BSG, but found Caprica fascinating.
@@uranuslad9855 Stop it. Go watch BSG. It's on Prime.
Caprica was actually pretty good. I'm with you
15 years since the BSG finale? Christ I feel old.
Last December was 20 years since the miniseries aired.
@@chancellorjake the 2 episode miniseries 'reboot' debut in late 2003
@@al28854 Yes. In December 2003. Which was 20 years ago last December. Just over 20 years ago now.
"Christ I feel old." Wait a wee bit... It gets worse!
“.. Caprica lacked a singular guiding ethos.”
Oh boy that says so much right there. And I think you really have to have the whole thing thought through all the way to the end and execute on that, because even if you halfway got the story developed, don’t think you’re going to finish it in time before the filming catches up to you. And then you wind up in the same position. i’m sure you know what I’m talking about.
And on that note, it makes the cancellation of the expanse all the more disappointing because they literally had all of that going for it. But as you know, the powers that be at Amazon were much more interested in wasting a shed load of money on bringing you another rendition of Sauron.
Loved Caprica 😭
I think what killed Caprica was the awkward and comical Frankenstein nature of the show. Putting the mind of a confused teenage girl into the body of a big hulking centurion robot seemed silly at best. More silly was the idea you could literally rebuild a teenage girl's mind from her browser history. The very idea that the entire reason for the Human/Cylon war, is because there was an angry teenage girl in the heart of each Cylon... is the stuff of good sci-fi comedy, not the basis of a serious show.
The appeal of Caprica was exploring the story of how the Cylons were created and how they ended up at war with the humans. And then... the Cylons were effectively created by the end of the pilot episode and the whole reason for the animosity was just that the Cylons were at heart angry teenagers hating their creators for literally no reason. There were no mysteries left at that point. It's tragic because the world-building was excellent (aside from monotheism being a creepy cult with borderline child predators) but the writers had no ideas for stories in that setting.
@@peterg76yt There are branches of monotheism in our world that are quite creepy, remember the 9/11 attack for instance, that was perpetrated by monotheists that worshipped the god Allah!
im glad i delete my browser history, that would be one screwed up robot...
I never watched all of Caprica and the one or two eps i did, it really didn't grab me.
it felt like 'Dallas in Space'.
a Dallas teen drama in space
Dallas was a lot more successful, it lasted many seasons.
That alone should have made it a success. Dallas was awesome.
So they pulled a 'we'll make a new fanbase' strategy similar to Disney Star Wars - arrogance and ineptitude at its finest
I loved Caprica. Granted it took a few episodes to really get cooking but it got better and better until the season finale. The show's depiction of Virtual Reality and VR addicts was really cool. Always dreamt of Caprica Season Two showing us the Cylon revolution against the humans and the start of the Cylon War.
Well obviously there are many reasons but if we are being honest one of the biggest reasons was Battlestar Galactica as a whole was never a huge ratings success. BG when it was on was critically liked and had a core audience but the ratings were never as big as the creators (or network) wanted (it was actually kinda small especially for the time). It was one of the reasons season 3 of BG was mostly episodic, they wanted it easier for newer viewers to jump on board without prior knowledge. But alas didn't work. Season 4 was honestly the last because they knew the network wouldn't give them anymore seasons so it was actually somewhat a quite cancelation, they knew they only were only getting one more season so tried to wrap everything up. Which I feel is one of the reasons the season feels so rushed compared to previous seasons. Caprica was an attempt to make a more grounded take to appeal to wider demographics as BG only really got interest from hard sci-fi fans which were never that big.
it started as American sci-fi then ended with the familiar perpetual mellow Canadian teen drama, so basically the American writers left and let the resident Canadian writers take over as for where the show is physically filmed/produced in Vancouver. Similar to the contrast between the 1st and 2nd seasons of Wayward Pines.
Battlestar Galactica was one of the best SFI shows on all Time! The storyline was so intense and dark!
I think you got it right. Caprica was a real swing and a miss. But I think the main driver of its failure was what it was trying to live up to. The final season of BG was so very epic. The culmination of the attack on the Cylon base followed by a slower epilogue style episode just set it off perfect for me. Caprica felt like it was trying to drag us back. Blood and Chrome would have hit well, but they wanted to go cheap.
Caprica was where I first saw the amazing Polly Walker. Such an incredible villain. Been a fan ever since.
for her more memorable roles it was Patriot Games as the 'redhead', then later in Rome as Atia.
@@al28854 I've never seen the series Rome since it was only on premium cable.
I agree. I have a feeling there's a link between Sister Clarice's psychopathic monotheism and that of Brother Cavil.
The main problem with any BSG prequel is that we all know that 50 billion people are always going to die during the 2nd Cylon War. There's no getting around that key plot element. So there's nothing to celebrate, or hope for. Humanity will fall to approximately 38,000 survivors and that's just bleak.
Sometimes you need a story like that, as we seem to be heading in the same direction. We know this world gets it wrong, but in the end it isn't our world, we are a little detached from it. Caprica could have been set in our world, the little nitty gritty details would have bee different of course, but the same plot could have been followed. I also think the overall plot of Caprica could be followed in a sequel to Battlestar Galactica set on Earth in perhaps the near not too distant future, with maybe the same ending or maybe not, we don't know the outcome this time, and of course artifacts from the original BSG are unearthed just in time maybe, stay tuned!
Caprica's (as well as anything set before BSG) number one problem might have been the fact that it was set in a civilization that wasn't going to survive anyway and the audience knew it since BSG was about the slow 4 season long death of a civilization. Any prequels would have been doomed to fail, no matter the characters or the plot.
What I would LOVE to see is a sequel, with a 20 year timejump (so the original cast could return). Battlestar Earth, with equally serious albeit new topics. The BIRTH of a civilization. The stark difference between hitech and lowtech life, the schism that Lee's controversial decision (forgoing all tech - including medicine etc.) must have caused. Do we need technology to survive and how much? We could see pros and cons of both living in hitech as well as in lowtech. So many possible plots and twists. A Raptor hidden here, a historybook from the 12 colonies there ("Did you really come from the stars, daddy?"), a sick child that needs medicine, a tribe who is conquered with tech by powerhungry people. And of course Adama (being held as a revered figure at this point) appearing when the survivors need to have some sense beaten into them.
Battlestar Earth as you call it has the same problems as Caprica, as its set in the stone age 150,000 years in the past, it is a prequel to us! We know their civilization has to fail for it to lead to us, as civilization doesn't begin again until around 4000 BC with the rise of the ancient kingdom of Sumer.
That is what made it compelling. It made the loss of the Cylon genocide real. By showing the world which would be lost
As much as what I liked what Mr. Moore produced in his early daze -- his TNG episodes were among the best, as was his BSG -- the stuff he produced in later years has lost me. I could only take so much of "Outlander" and I found "For All Mankind" ridiculously dramatic. Like so many music artists from the 60s and 70s, you only have so much creativity in you before you run out... or so go my thoughts.
Caprica is my all time favorite origin story.
I really really love the Battlestar Galactica spin offs they helped me get through the loss of a loved one my Mom died in 2004. 🖖💜👌
Fans wanted a BSG prequel show set during the Cylon war. We got Caprica. They didn't listen to the fans, and failed.
Fans want too much, and trust too little.
I was excited for Caprica. I was even at the ComicCon Pannel, where they first announced it [They showed a Rave-Like party on Caprica]. I was the only one in line who recognized Ronald D. Moore, so his wife took our picture together. Unfortunately, the show was far too plodding with stretched out plot lines. It always took at least two or three times as long as it should for something to happen. The final episode squeezed in where the show was intending to go, which was interesting. However it also revealed that the William Adama we had been watching the whole time was the older dead brother of the real Bill Adama from BSG, which is a pretty cheap plot twist. They shouldn't have banked on having the time for the "slow burn". If they had progressed the story more rapidly it would have been far more popular.
Caprica had the coolest depiction of virtual reality I've ever seen in a show
Wild Palms is still the high bar for me.
@@patreekotime4578 Nay. The VFX are too primitive for my taste
@@henrymach It's all just video. Which is why is has aged so much better than the rest of the 90s and early 2000s VR stuff.
I wish Blood and Chrome would've got fully greenlit. It sounds way better than Caprica(not that it was bad). Thanks for another awesome video to You and your team.
Blood and Chrome is so much better than Caprica. I actually prefer it to BSG. It’s up there with Razor as my favorite BSG content, and I say that as a BSG hater.
I enjoyed the show. I found the evolution of the Cylon’s interesting. The religious component was unique and refreshing.
I honestly didn't mind Caprica. It was a good watch.
They failed because the main show ended with the infamous 'lets go cavemen' debacle. At least for me. I wouldn't watch anything by Moore after that.
Exactly.
Yeah, that was a pretty dumb finale.
I loved Caprica. Problem is that when you tuned in (which is what we did before streaming), sometimes the show was on, sometimes it was pre-empted by something else. What makes matters worse is that after the show was cancelled, it appears, the distributors blamed the American market and refused to even air the last three episodes at all in the USA. That was a cheap shot.
I Love BSG 2003, rewatch it once a year. Got the DVD Box of Caprica and stopped halfway in. Blood and Chrome was closer to what i would have expected but it in the end it wasnt meant to be.
Thank you for this video it helped explain a lot about this IP. One theory I believed may have doomed BSG spinoffs is that the showrunners had a storyline to build on from the '79-'80 series that worked great. Now these individuals had to create something from scratch when they tried to create the spinoffs. I think these showrunners demonstrated that their talents worked best when they had an established story to build on but faltered when asked to create something from the ground up. I also believe that casting choices of these spinoffs weren't as strong as the casting for the 2004 BSG series.
I liked Caprica and wished it had gone a few more seasons. Problem with prequels is it tends to step on the stuff that comes after if they don’t pay attention to detail.
Even just one more season would’ve made for a complete show. It was the bridge to Blood and Chrome, which was the bridge to BSG
Were the 5 un-aired episodes filmed?
I actually liked Caprica and was sad that it was canceled, especially considering the preview shots that hinted at the content of season 2.
Sure, the external setting was more like USA in the 1970s than a futuristic setting, but at the same time it also had VR worlds and the Cylons and, with Alessandra Torresani, IMHO a likeable main cast.
I really enjoyed Caprica. That might put me in the minority. The only real poorly written character was Amanda Greystone (her arc isn't all that compelling). Everyone else seemed pretty complex. The show also shares a few themes, like dealing with terrorism, infiltration, out of control science, and religion. I think it very much fits more into the cyberpunk category more than space opera, but there's a lot of thematic similarities to BSG.
Blood and Chrome was ok, and I think it worked best as a web series.
I would love to see an exploration of the Exodus of the 13 colonies from Kobol, and more about the Cylon colony of Earth.
Great video, NerdCookies...👍
I loved Caprica. Ambien is expensive and this show provided a free, and effective way to fall asleep almost instantly. Hoever side effects, being the occasional seizure, necessitated me returning to a more pharmaceutical regimen.
I loved Caprica, re-watching it now.
Without Caprica The 12 Colonies are little more than an abstraction.
Caprica’s pacing was slow at first, but it found its feet-And watching it heightened the loss on that fateful day of the Attack on The Colonies - The Second Cylon War.
(Eric Stoltz and Paula Malcomsen killed it, as Zoe’s parents. Their grief, their love, and their flaws felt raw and real). Esai Morales’ as Joseph Adama needed some better scripting to work with, but he is a solid actor.
As you said the issue is that showrunners tried to please everyone. Normally SF content mostly appeals to men. Additionally if a creator wants to put some abstract idea into show - let it be mythology, religion or anything else - it should thought through and as let's say foolproof as possible. If it's not plausible and anyone can pick it apart then the concept fails as it pulls viewers out of the experience.
Caprica, wasnt bad at all, it had some interesting avenues to explorer and go, however i don't think the cast or the focus on the characters was all that appealing, it seemed very empty even though we saw and observed so much on that show, in a way they were attempting to do to much and couldn't deliver. However, on the situation regarding Blood and Chrome that lays at the Syfy channel, that was a GREAT concept, id love to see a TV Show based on the cylon WAR and Blood and Chrome for what little we got, OMG i wanted MORE!
I really liked Blood & Chrome
Caprica was really good, the problem was it took forever to get it on the air, there was no plan to keep the BSG Universe going, in the end many people moved on from Scifi (SYFY).
I mean... the Battlestar Balactica series was just freakin' crazy cool and it was always pushing everything to the limit. Every episode seemed like it was a... _"ANd how will they not die in this episode",_ sorta thang. That's hard to attach a spinoff series to. When the primary series was about *the end of everything* how can anything else within that universe hold someones interest?
Nothing about Caprica made any sense. Characters were introduced and then had nothing to do. The lead was killed in the beginning and put in a robot body! That would never sustain long term. And then they pulled a bait and switch with Adama, which was just insulting.
If women had to be tricked into watching BSG before they could discover they liked it, that's not a failing of BSG's storyline or marketing, thats a failing of women. And yes, the opposite is also true in the case of shows that men have to be tricked into watching.
They managed to make the BSG series with no reference to space travel but space travel seemed to be in the universe. It would seem that having Cylons do a lot of work in space minimizing human risk in space would be the perfect opening for the Cylons being built and exploited. What did they do with Syfy when NBS Universal took over. inquiring minds have never figured it out,.
I’m a BSG fan going back to 1978. I love it enough to have a soft spot for “Galactica 1980” - a concept that had some potential but failed in its execution. Much the same can be said for “Caprica.” I actually really enjoyed the characters and world-building and consider the series underrated. There’s some parallels between 1980 and Caprica, such as trying to do a less expensive show set on a “modern day earth” rather than a pew-pew space opera, trying to appeal to new fans who don’t care about pew-pew space operas. Well, the problem is many of the fans of that beloved pew-pew space opera (myself excluded) aren’t interested-and those who don’t care about said pew-pew space opera in the first place are still not interested. Which is unfortunate, because there is value in exploring other sides of the same universe.
I loved Caprica and I'm still pissed about it's undeserved cancellation. Splitting the first season like they did by several months certainly didn't help keep people's attention span together. Feels like it was sabotaged from the get go.
Blood and Chrome was really good too. Odd having it start right at the very end of the war though. Would have liked to see it start at the beginning.
I like how Eick put it pretty diplomatically, but let's see... same showrunner on BSG: The Plan, Caprica, and American Torchwood... And then it started to turn around when they left but it was too late... yep.
I really felt like the BSG story was told and there is no more content on which to base another series..Also,, the BSG finale just left me seriously cold. I tried to watch Caprica but the organized crime elements just didn't interest me.
I was not a fan of ‘Caprica’ but I continued to watch it hoping it would quite frankly get to the point.
The show was very slow and even though it had a good cast and I would say decent writing its plot pacing was off. The last few episodes were really good. It made me wonder why they started it off the way they did. The young girl main character was very uninteresting. The Adama fam
I laughed at the tricking wives and girlfriends to watch BSG. That's exactly what I did when I was married. I watched Sex and the City with her and in exchange she watched the mini-series. She ended up loving BSG.
Still waiting for my 4k release of BSG.
Caprica should have been a two part episode right in the height of Battlestar's run. Not everything can be a big hit and make a ton of money. I still get out the DVD's and watch it every so often. It is somthing that should be watched a few time all depending on where you are in your life since you will get a different feel each time.
Now this is a story I've heard elsewhere, told of another series in a beloved SF franchise.
I'm referring to 'Star Trek: Enterprise', which, when it first aired, was just referred to as 'Enterprise'. Like 'Caprica' it was a prequel spin-off, albeit one that had had several years pass between it and its predecessor series ending. I remember hearing someone say of it that it was being produced to be accessible (if that's the right word) to people who'd never seen 'Star Trek' in any of its iterations, and that it could be watched without them needing to know anything about the other shows and films in the franchise.
Of course, its practically impossible to make a show with links to any franchise, SF or not, without actually including elements of that franchise, and 'Enterprise' was no different. The pilot two part episode included both Vulcans and Klingons, so even if everything else had no link, that fact alone made it a 'Star Trek' series. Now, don't get me wrong, I loved the show, all four seasons of it, but it seems to me that the show makers both wanted their cake and to eat it... a patent impossibility.
Another dead giveaway that the show wasn't doing as well as the network wanted, was the changes they put into place in the third season. Whenever I've heard that a show's makers have decided to ' make it edgier, darker' and to 'bring in some internal conflict', it lifts a red flag for me, a signal that someone is getting desperate to regenerate a failing show. At least 'Enterprise' got two seasons of trying new things, including a season made up of mostly multi-part episodes, before it was shut down.
So yeah, hearing that they wanted to entice in a new demographic was not a good sign for 'Caprica'. I assume that, if it really can be done successfully, it has to be done with exquisite precision, otherwise, it just isn't going to work... and in Caprica's ' case didn't.
Addendum: Am I missing something here, or do people really assume that Science Fiction in general is for men only? Or is it that certain show makers are simply being lazy and sexist by assuming the majority of their audience is male? If so, then they need to wake themselves up and take a good long look on social media at the various SF groups, because I know of at least one with a strong female following!
"accessible to people who'd never seen 'Star Trek' "
It worked out with the Enterprise prequel for both audiences, but it totally failed with the Discovery pre/sequel when it came to people knowing any of the other series.
I eventually found Discovery to be a series I could watch (although probably not re-watch) by pretending that it just used "Federation", "Klingon" etc. names but wasn't actually related to any other trek lore at all but a completely independent thing. Up to that point of "self-reprogramming" it was a very painful experience to watch it though ...
Sorry mate. Women tend to watch different things and lean towards reality shows, dramas, and romance (and anything with vampires).
Women will watch good tv, for sure. But how many will chose to watch the Expanse or The Wire without a boyfriend or hushand nagging?
Things may be changing with the younger generation, which should be a good thing, but we are hardly being immersed on high quality scifi either. But ultimately more viewers means more investment in the genre
Yeah, there is a heavy bias in the scifi community and especially in programming executives about what kind of content women want to watch. I have plenty of female scifi fan friends and not a single one has even mentioned that they wished their favorite series was more... "girly". They groan at poorly written female characters. They groan at the constant bimbofication of female characters. But I've never heard any of them demanding for a character who wears pink and gossips about everyone, or who meets and marry's their true love... or whatever it is Hollywood thinks women want to see.
So to summarize; the execs wanted to cater to a smaller demographic who would have to be tricked, (tricked being the operative word) into watching a show which they basically had zero interest in, while simultaneously ignoring the core audience.
Huh.
Now where pray tell, have I heard this before...?
Even in spite of the fact that it wasn't a ratings juggernaut, until they decided to change direction it was still good enough to keep afloat. I do agree though; if a show doesn't have a solid direction or objective, (B5 comes immediately to mind), and is basically just winging it week-to-week, it's pretty much doomed. Lightning is caught in a bottle only once.
What many fail to realize is that there is aready a strong female fan base. If you go to any sci-fi convention there are many female fans. They love to cosplay and many have RUclips channels like this fantastic channel. You can’t appeal to all demographics. The best you can do is stick to what works and stay true to what attracted fans to the product in the first place. It’s not just BSG but Star Wars as well.
Great video! I love lore in all it's forms, especially BSG. Fingers, eyes and toes crossed that this next show is beyond successful.
So many shows died to Syfy's CEO being against scifi in general (openly stated so in interviews).
the beginning of ECW wrestling in the early 2010s to boost profits just felt so irrelevant and was the death knell for the cable network
Caprice was lackluster and frankly boring. None of the characters really grabbed your interest and the plot was meh. I think I saw the first episode based on Battlestar Galactica in the title and then forgot about it. A friend of mine has it on disc and I was never able to get past the 3rd (2nd?) episode.
Well I learned something about Scifi today and that explains why it fell of my radar like a falling stone. I'd seen the name change but had no idea they'd specifically pivoted away from their original content. Shame, it spawned a lot of my favourite series.
Blood and chrome was awesome
Caprica had potential but they needed to know where they where going.
The Battlestar Galactica spin-off should have been about Daniel Greystone. Artificial intelligence, cloning and Thailand 6 that was in Battlestar Galactica you put in the story about Greystone
I enjoyed Caprica. While I liked the Battlestar Gallactica reboot better, I was nevertheless eager to what they did with this premise and I was sad when it was cancelled before it could find its own creative vision.
Moore’s BSG was ahead of its time. And that was a good thing because it would have had a tougher time today for variety of reasons. So why did Caprica fail. It lacked focus. I loved the mob story of Torran though and the other plots were wonderful as well with a great cast but its budget and the fact it was prequel to BSG factored into the end of Blood and Chrome and Caprica and were good choices at the time.
I loved the pilot of Caprica, it explained the monotheism so well and the families were intriguing. I liked Eric Stolts’s character. But then they got too into religious storylines and frankly the Adamas were dead boring.
I loved Caprica. And i am a die hard fan of BSG from the start...but many fans are to static in my eyes 😢
Caprica was dope until the rushd last ep.
I liked Caprica
i loved capricka i want more
spechaly abut the religion and collonies
I thought Blood and Chrome was a good new start. I was surprised it wasn't picked up for a season.
I liked Caprica, but I did not think it was going to last as it was a big shift from BSG. Blood and Chrome was the goat, such a shame it never took off.
Problem is
The newest one with EJO was so good
And that series was ended so perfectly, idk what else they could do to come close to that
They could never afford an actor of EJO caliber on Sci Fi again. The series was almost too perfect for its own good
When you have hard and heavy hitting shows like BSG...trying for a spin off already puts a high demand on the show to be equal or better...unfortunately very few ever reach that status...
I enjoyed Caprica with a small exception: Terran swear words and vices.
I really liked the show!
Few people mention the most salient point: prequels hardly ever work. The audience already knows where the story ultimately ends, so prequels give up all the dramatic tension and unknown that make viewers/readers tune in for more. Better Call Saul worked, I suppose, so I guess they can work as character studies. Another reason prequels don’t work is fans will often prefer their own head-cannon/imagination to what writers come up with to fill in the backstory. This was definitely my experience with the Star Wars prequels.
Prequels work best when they are far enough forward that they are mostly detached from the events you already know IMO. Think about House of the Dragon which is generations.
Caprica I wasn't really into but I liked Blood and Chrome.
I blame the Sci-Fi channel for not promoting Caprica and scheduling it properly.
It was also, a hard sell, even if everything would’ve went perfectly.
I liked them. Caprica was great and Blood and Chrome was neat, too. I thought they were good lore in the BSG universe.
Caprica suffered deeply from it being BORING. It was butt-stupidly boring.
I loved the concept of _Caprica_ but I think it failed for a couple of reasons. First, it needed a strong show-runner at the helm like Ron Moore. I read interviews with the producers and writers and they had a lot of great ideas but they weren’t able to present them effectively. I think a strong producer at the helm could have solved that.
Second, there were too many filler episodes in the first season. For a new series like _Caprica_ that was fatal since people lost interest. While the VR world was interesting there were so many VR episodes that didn’t move the plot. One or two would have been fine. The final episode where the Cylons stop a terrorist attack was great but should have aired as the midseason cliffhanger instead. If they hadn’t had so many useless filler episodes I think they could have done that.
I only saw the first episode and felt it was too sharp a turn genre-wise for my tastes. Nothing against the writing, cast, acting or production value. Just wasn’t what I was interested in.
Same, it felt like it belonged to a different show even though it didn't
At this writing, I'm about halfway through the episodes of Caprica 1.5 on DVD.
I think cramming what should have been centuries of development of mono- versus polytheism and Colonial politics into the life of little Willie Adama was overreaching. And that doesn't even take into consideration the ancient history of Kobol, the settlement of the colonies, the final five Cylons, and the first, destroyed Earth.
However, I set aside a lot of that canonical BSG history, and watched each Caprica episode multiple times to let the plot elements sink in. And on that basis, OK, I kind of like it. I have a few more to go, and I think I'll end up disappointed at the cancellation.
Caprica had none of the psychedelic mystery of BSG. It was a big part of what made the show so enthralling.
Nerd cookies knew exactly what she was doing with the thumbnail. Hey it seems to work.
The number one issue with Caprica was the acting ability of Alessandra Torresani. She spoke like she had marbles in her mouth.
so f-ing true, I LOVED the 2003 series and was really disappointed when I saw Caprica was a bit "fruity." Blood and Chrome was alright though... it just felt cheap.
I’m in the minority here but I find Battlestar Galactica to be one of the most unwatchable shows ever. Shaky cam, glum tone, cgi zooms, ugly aesthetic. Much love to the fans just one idiots opinion.
There is no way I will ever believe that the BSG reboot was completely planned and mapped out beforehand...There were too many "ripped from the headlines" story arcs (finding a faux Earth and the administration mirroring the failures of the Iraq war), the five, etc...scream coming up with stuff midstream.
There was some serious Vancouver Overload in genre TV at the time.
I enjoyed Caprica but that's all it really was an enjoyable Sci Fi show, whilst BSG was a stand out show.
I liked the show, sad it was cancelled. I liked getting a glimpse into the high tech dystopia and corporate corruption.
Caprica was a masterpiece.
Caprica was cyberpunk. I said it before and will say it again, *cyberpunk is a very hard sell at the best of times, even to science fiction fans.* It doesn't resonate with a lot of people.
I loved it but it was so niche it never really had a chance.
Watching _Caprica_ when it was on I found myself furrowing my brow and wondering, “What are they trying to do…? Who was this written for? What the hell is going on???”
Caprica was simply too slow. It just took way too much time to get going, but the last half of the season was pretty good. That first half though, whoo boy, snail's pace.
I preferred Caprica's virtual world 1000x more than Ready Player One's.
I didnt even know they existed
Caprica almost seemed to be getting better at the end, a little more of the big picture revealed. But watching a bunch of people running around in VR like it was a episode of Beverly Hills 90210 irritated me from the start.
Caprica was good in concept, but I feel like they got too bogged down in the character drama and failed to move the plot forward in a way that kept people's interest. Blood & Chrome on the other hand felt very low budget, and it was clear the pilot wasn't given the attention it needed to be a success. The whole network pivot certainly didn't help either. I remember a lot of science fiction fans like myself felt very betrayed at the time.