With this thing, you can use the "change primary weapons" keybind to just fire only the inboard or outboard guns, giving you essentially twice the gun endurance if you fire off one gun pair's ammo before the other.
Quickly becoming my favorite war thunder youtuber considering your review wasn't just "plane bad, gets uptiered". Thank you for actually reviewing the plane!!!
Great video. 1956 man, thats really amazing. I played it, really liked it when I had 8.3-9.7 games, but if you get put against 10.0-10.3 jets you have almost 0 chance. Got 2x Afghan EC full uptier for my first 2 games. Which basically was flying for 25 doing nothing. But against Mig17 and similiar planes it does really well. There is a bug where sometimes the plane stops responding to any imput for 5-10s for some reason. Got me killed once.
I've been using the F4D-1 exclusively in 9.3 Ground RB matches with my MBT70 and M3A3, and it is absolutely incredible. The Mighty Mouse missiles are very accurate with the CCIP, and since you can equip 76 rockets + 2 sidewinders, I have been able to take out 3+ vehicles very easy in one run, with the complete freedom to demolish any other ground pounding jets that can't match the Skyrays low speed performance. Also the lack of Roland's at 9.3(even rarely in uptier), combined with the skyrays speed, makes this thing practically immune to all AA if you fly it correctly. I only purchased the engine performance mods, and thus it's a much more manageable 16k per game, if I get shot down, which has only happened twice in the dozen games I've played.
Last time I checked it was 9.3 in sim. Also the cockpit is absolutely incredible. It looks like its from starwars or something so it will defenetly be very pleasing to fly in sim.
9:31 "Incase you want to do carrier stuff *someday"* knowing full well the top tier map rotation is just the same 5 arcade battle-esque maps over and over again until you get a one lucky enduring confrontation map
There was only one main production variant of the Skyray, this one, so it's complicated we get another one. Tbh the F3H can cover pretty much everything this thing does, but yeah we're missing a lot of early navy jets in the main tree.
This is the only production F4 Skyray, and reguardless Aim9C is F8 exclusive. The F5 had Sparrow IIs but they were a non functioning prototype mess. I think the F3H is a perfectly fine (and admittedly better) TT counterpart. The only other plane I could think of wedging in the TT with similar capability is the F7U3M Cutlass.
First of all, Gaijin really needs to fix that fucking wing rip problem on literally every plane with boosters. More importantly, I'm not really looking forward to stock grinding this thing. Getting stock higher tier vehicles for event rewards really needs to be changed now. Gaijin already floods every high-tier bracket with store and GE premiums, the least they could do is actually reward those of us who work for them too.
nothing to fix really, its just that gajin has not modelled the G limiters on almost all the jets in game. supposed to have no greater than 7G limiter on NATO jets at least and you have to pull a toggle to allow for unrestricted use.
Good on Gaijin to add what looks like a fun/unique vehicle in one of their worst time draining events ever that regular working people like me are unable to take part in. Boy, it sure is a swell time to have the carrot dangled in front of you. What a joke.
I suppose there is a slim chance it gets early Sparrow missiles. It was a test bed for them apparently. Maybe bombs too? It seems odd that it would have custom loadouts with only two options for suspended weaponry though I suppose it could also just be a move towards all aircraft having custom loadouts.
@Alex Snowden In the 1950s before AIM-9's were developed, the main air to air weapon was salvos of rockets so they could stay outside of defensive gun range.
One thing I would suggest is turning off your afterburner when firing the cannons, it helps keep the grouping closer together. Cannon rounds drop a lot faster too, so you might have to lead more at long range (400-800m). Lastly since the plane doesn't carry much ammunition your best bet is to fire in really short bursts.
I honestly quite enjoy this plane, though occasionally I'll have a weird issue where the elevators just decides to angle me towards the ground and I can't stop it
Good to know that I haven't been wasting my time too much. I think it should fit beautifully with my F11 in sim, you know, just in case I need two afterburners to cook off my money.
Why do you say it flies like the J-35? It looked like you were maxing out at what, 8g? 9? The draken turns way harder than any maneuvers I saw here. Am I missing something?
what is not covered here is that this thing has fantastic low speed maneuverability like at 250kph your still fully functioning and the second you need speed you kick on the after burner and its insane acceleration takes care of the rest also the guns... even completely stock get the job done if you know how to aim a single click is enough to either severely damage or flat out cut a plane in half and you use the missiles for clean up and forcing enemy's to turn if they try to outrun you (this thing reminds me of an la-15 without missiles)(also any damage renders the airframe fubar) great video
Not gonna lie, the only reason I've been uncertain about flying the f4d-1, to the point where i'm wonder if its just worth selling, is purely because of that repair cost. In no universe unless youre averaging 3+ kills a match, are you going to make that cash back, and 10 free repairs just isnt enough to grind it out. I'd argue the repair cost should be 3000 at most, though in an ideal world repair costs wouldnt exist in the first place. The jet honestly feels like it was meant as a trap for newer players, who would think 'oh cool i can get a jet for free!', without checking out the cost of repair. then when theyve burned through the free repairs, get forced to either go back to grinding low tier, or pay up to keep flying it. Basically it feels like Gaijin have done us dirty...
@@teddly2277 thats just depressing more than anything. Ive done some asking around n a few of my mates *want* to play war thunder, but cant see it as a viable option until the econ gets fixed, because they just cant break even using the vehicles they want to :/
been grinding this thing and i have been seeing bad reviews/comments on how it performs i.e other CCs...i personally have no care in its performance because if its anywhere near as painful as the harrier gr.1 then maybe id agree edit: im a bot noob player.
@@TANKMUN the fact u got offended/annoyed proves u salty... i cannot fully understand how it performs if i dont test it myself...just an opinion u dont have to agree but dont get annoyed with me
2:50 The F4D-1 is the defacto F-6A, 1 -> A in this case. Reference "Standard Aircraft Characteristics (SAC) F-6A AIRCRAFT NAVAIR 00-110AF6-1, 1 JULY 1967". Gaijin just uses the pre-1962 designations for Tier 6, and uses the post 1962 designations for Tier 7, evidenced by WT's F8U and F-8. 3:53 Please provide a source for the bomb claim, both "Douglas F4D-1 Skyray Flight Handbook AN 01-40FBA-1 NAVWEPS 01-40FBA-1, 1 November 1957, Revised 1 February 1960" and "Standard Aircraft Characteristics (SAC) F-6A AIRCRAFT NAVAIR 00-110AF6-1, 1 JULY 1967" make no mention of it. I concur on all other statements.
@@FirstDagger Its the only book in my personal library that mentions the F4D, my old Jane's manuals are too new, but it indicates the F4D could carry a pair of bombs instead of the drop tanks. May or may not have been done operationally, as you likely know a lot of these aircraft have capabilities that don't get used on deployment. Its not a hill I'm willing to die on, it was mentioned once, briefly, and if you want to go to exhaustive lengths to nitpick something trivial like that please feel free.
@@TimsVariety ; I just wish I could find a primary source that collaborates this so we could push Gaijin to add bombs, you know how Gaijin is with sources. I guess I have to get my hands on earlier Flight Manuals somehow. Sorry I my tone was off the previous comment.
@@FirstDagger Its funny you mention that. When the F4D first showed up on the devblog, I passed a few primary sources(books that discussed its revolutionary radar set) on to the devs as "pre-emptive feedback" in the feedback channel on their discord showing that the F4D's radar had a primitive form of CCIP for its unguided rockets, and strongly suggested the jet should have that feature when it went live. They may have already been intending to do that, I don't know, but I mentioned it to them because of how reluctant they've been to give ballistics computers to jets below the top tier. I was quite pleased to see the CCIP made it into the game. TO be clear before anyone jumps on - I am absolutely NOT taking credit for this - just pointing out that I've done the same thing FirstDagger mentioned, passing primary sources on to the devs.
Are there any variants that could come in the future for the TT? This is the first US delta wing craft, would've loved it playing it but I'm gonna sell mine for coins.
@@ollilaine6763 Well, I have been playing the Vautours, and you usually get to bomb before the intercept you even in 10.0. It really depends on your plane. But this thing is just a fighter, rockets have been nerfed, you can't bomb, you have very little ammo, 4 aim 9bs, no countermeasures at all, and you aren't even agile like an F-86 or fast like a Lightning.
I have the Su-7 and plan to get the Mig-21s when it's discounted around War Thunder Anniversary. The Su-7 still works, but it's not as effective as it used to be. (Air spawn removed, constant uptiers to 10.3 Premium Tier with the F-5C Horde, A-5Cs and A-10s, Reduction of Bombing Rewards etc.)
Don't skimp on this plane if you play sim battles. 9.3 is a cap in sim so this thing can't get up tiered. It is not op but very fun in sim battles and definitely up the tier list. If you play sim battles buy this for the 20 dollars if you have the money. People are selling it for nothing due to it being "not good" in air rb. Tldr this good in sim. Buy while it's only 20 dollars!
Wow the first ''neutral'', or non negative review of the F4D-1, I was looking for this type of video, thanks!
VERY few aircraft get an outright negative review from me, I try to be a bit more informative than subjective
With this thing, you can use the "change primary weapons" keybind to just fire only the inboard or outboard guns, giving you essentially twice the gun endurance if you fire off one gun pair's ammo before the other.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. If I hit something, I want it to die.
haha that’s exactly what I was gonna comment
If you can do that I wonder if you could use the small caliber weapon bind to split the guns like you can do with the F8 and the P400/39/63
@@BlackHawkBallistic If you have 2(or more) gun ammo counter then yes. You can.(F86-F2 and both F8-U/E have this ability too)
Why did you comment this, now some guy will rat this out to gaijin and they'll remove this feature
Quickly becoming my favorite war thunder youtuber considering your review wasn't just "plane bad, gets uptiered". Thank you for actually reviewing the plane!!!
Thank you for the review and for mentioning removing boosters. Everyone else I've seen is missing that.
Great video. 1956 man, thats really amazing.
I played it, really liked it when I had 8.3-9.7 games, but if you get put against 10.0-10.3 jets you have almost 0 chance.
Got 2x Afghan EC full uptier for my first 2 games. Which basically was flying for 25 doing nothing. But against Mig17 and similiar planes it does really well.
There is a bug where sometimes the plane stops responding to any imput for 5-10s for some reason. Got me killed once.
The F4D is one of my favorite looking aircraft.
I've been using the F4D-1 exclusively in 9.3 Ground RB matches with my MBT70 and M3A3, and it is absolutely incredible. The Mighty Mouse missiles are very accurate with the CCIP, and since you can equip 76 rockets + 2 sidewinders, I have been able to take out 3+ vehicles very easy in one run, with the complete freedom to demolish any other ground pounding jets that can't match the Skyrays low speed performance.
Also the lack of Roland's at 9.3(even rarely in uptier), combined with the skyrays speed, makes this thing practically immune to all AA if you fly it correctly.
I only purchased the engine performance mods, and thus it's a much more manageable 16k per game, if I get shot down, which has only happened twice in the dozen games I've played.
Fun fact at 3:27 that was me you nearly killed, I even remember asking how you got the F4D early.
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Would be great in sim if it’s 9.3 (radar+iff is huge in sim), but if it’s 9.7 it gets dumped with the top tiers because of current matchmaking
Ig its 9.3
Last time I checked it was 9.3 in sim.
Also the cockpit is absolutely incredible. It looks like its from starwars or something so it will defenetly be very pleasing to fly in sim.
It is 9.3? Let’s go boys! New sim main here I come
@@hybrid_grizzly heum yep but...damn the wings
@@explosivecommando9100 It’s easier to moderate a turn in sim (since inputs aren’t binary) to avoid wing ripping, just have to learn the aircraft
0:48 dont you just love it when f5's try to steal your kills
Perfect timing Tim I was just looking at videos of this plane
9:31 "Incase you want to do carrier stuff *someday"* knowing full well the top tier map rotation is just the same 5 arcade battle-esque maps over and over again until you get a one lucky enduring confrontation map
Can we get a tech tree one? If they do give us one, it will probably have things like the bombs and maybe even AIM-9C Sidewinders.
There was only one main production variant of the Skyray, this one, so it's complicated we get another one. Tbh the F3H can cover pretty much everything this thing does, but yeah we're missing a lot of early navy jets in the main tree.
@@jfv2312 W could always get to F5D Skylancer
@@jfv2312 maybe it would end up like the A-10 or F-4F with an early and a late version.
@@Tigershark_3082 That would be cool, that one got sparrows
This is the only production F4 Skyray, and reguardless Aim9C is F8 exclusive. The F5 had Sparrow IIs but they were a non functioning prototype mess. I think the F3H is a perfectly fine (and admittedly better) TT counterpart. The only other plane I could think of wedging in the TT with similar capability is the F7U3M Cutlass.
First of all, Gaijin really needs to fix that fucking wing rip problem on literally every plane with boosters.
More importantly, I'm not really looking forward to stock grinding this thing. Getting stock higher tier vehicles for event rewards really needs to be changed now. Gaijin already floods every high-tier bracket with store and GE premiums, the least they could do is actually reward those of us who work for them too.
nothing to fix really, its just that gajin has not modelled the G limiters on almost all the jets in game. supposed to have no greater than 7G limiter on NATO jets at least and you have to pull a toggle to allow for unrestricted use.
Isn’t it only FBW plane will had G limiter? But right now if remember WT don’t have any FBW plane (maybe except Japan F1 & T2)
Good on Gaijin to add what looks like a fun/unique vehicle in one of their worst time draining events ever that regular working people like me are unable to take part in. Boy, it sure is a swell time to have the carrot dangled in front of you. What a joke.
This should have been tech tree
I suppose there is a slim chance it gets early Sparrow missiles. It was a test bed for them apparently. Maybe bombs too? It seems odd that it would have custom loadouts with only two options for suspended weaponry though I suppose it could also just be a move towards all aircraft having custom loadouts.
Unlikely. People have hoped for the same thing about the F-11F-1 when it came out.
@@cslpchr what weapons is the F-11 supposed to have that it doesn't? I've not heard anything about it.
@Alex Snowden it could carry 2 2000 lb bombs.
@Alex Snowden In the 1950s before AIM-9's were developed, the main air to air weapon was salvos of rockets so they could stay outside of defensive gun range.
don't give it Sparrows, it will be the same as the F3H where it's overtiered just because of missiles
One thing I would suggest is turning off your afterburner when firing the cannons, it helps keep the grouping closer together. Cannon rounds drop a lot faster too, so you might have to lead more at long range (400-800m). Lastly since the plane doesn't carry much ammunition your best bet is to fire in really short bursts.
we sweat our asses off weeks to get an vehicle we cant even play because of the insane repair costs
ty for making so many videos, i can just google a new plane and you will have a revew on it, once again ty
I live to serve!
I honestly quite enjoy this plane, though occasionally I'll have a weird issue where the elevators just decides to angle me towards the ground and I can't stop it
Good to know that I haven't been wasting my time too much. I think it should fit beautifully with my F11 in sim, you know, just in case I need two afterburners to cook off my money.
Remove the boosters to stop wing ripping, same as the A-4
Or phantom, or F8 crusader or F3 demon
@@Jebotito or basically any other aircraft with “new boosters”
Was hoping for this one to appear in the normal tech tree ...plus without the ridiculous repair cost.
Watching this because i'm probably gonna fight this thing a lot.
- J-7II enjoyer.
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Why do you say it flies like the J-35? It looked like you were maxing out at what, 8g? 9? The draken turns way harder than any maneuvers I saw here. Am I missing something?
First of all, great video! Also, How in the world do you get that good at aiming!?
what is not covered here is that this thing has fantastic low speed maneuverability like at 250kph your still fully functioning and the second you need speed you kick on the after burner and its insane acceleration takes care of the rest also the guns... even completely stock get the job done if you know how to aim a single click is enough to either severely damage or flat out cut a plane in half and you use the missiles for clean up and forcing enemy's to turn if they try to outrun you
(this thing reminds me of an la-15 without missiles)(also any damage renders the airframe fubar)
great video
Not gonna lie, the only reason I've been uncertain about flying the f4d-1, to the point where i'm wonder if its just worth selling, is purely because of that repair cost. In no universe unless youre averaging 3+ kills a match, are you going to make that cash back, and 10 free repairs just isnt enough to grind it out. I'd argue the repair cost should be 3000 at most, though in an ideal world repair costs wouldnt exist in the first place. The jet honestly feels like it was meant as a trap for newer players, who would think 'oh cool i can get a jet for free!', without checking out the cost of repair. then when theyve burned through the free repairs, get forced to either go back to grinding low tier, or pay up to keep flying it. Basically it feels like Gaijin have done us dirty...
dude look at the italian tech tree lol. it ain't special
@@teddly2277 thats just depressing more than anything. Ive done some asking around n a few of my mates *want* to play war thunder, but cant see it as a viable option until the econ gets fixed, because they just cant break even using the vehicles they want to :/
Insane time of repair / repair cost like the Tiger... 😭 So sad...
If the repair cost to this is adjusted, so too should the J29F and J32B be adjusted...
That planes looks have me thinking if it looks right, it'll fly right. A pretty plane with very nice lines.
been grinding this thing and i have been seeing bad reviews/comments on how it performs i.e other CCs...i personally have no care in its performance because if its anywhere near as painful as the harrier gr.1 then maybe id agree
edit: im a bot noob player.
Hey good for you that you don’t care how it performs I hope you enjoy your plane, doesn’t make it good though
@@TANKMUN the fact u got offended/annoyed proves u salty... i cannot fully understand how it performs if i dont test it myself...just an opinion u dont have to agree but dont get annoyed with me
@@OCE_Stealyx I literally just told you I hope your enjoy your plane lol
@@TANKMUN sorry seemed u were annoyed...again im very sorry i assumed the wrong thing. please dont let me ruin your day but i hope you enjoy it.
Omg wholesome replies? Ive reached nirvana
can someone please tell me why when i play this plane and i randomly go into a dive for no reason, i play mouse aim,
F4D-1 my beloved
One kinda nice thing about this aircraft is that you can takeoff and land from a carrier in Sim battles.
They should have put this plane in the tech tree, while making F5D the event vehicle.
It would make too much sense for Gaijin =\
That plane looks pretty fun, but that repair cost is not
This and the Cougar before it are good lessons in speed management, but for it's BR I think the Cougar does it's job better.
That missile in the intro, did not were it is, because it did not know were it was not.
AIM-9Bs I only ever use to get non-CM enemies to bleed speed.
But….Can it do a cobra
What is the Br of the F4D1 in SB
Ed Heinaman would be proud. But not the repair costs
How do we unlock it
2:50 The F4D-1 is the defacto F-6A, 1 -> A in this case. Reference "Standard Aircraft Characteristics (SAC) F-6A AIRCRAFT NAVAIR 00-110AF6-1, 1 JULY 1967".
Gaijin just uses the pre-1962 designations for Tier 6, and uses the post 1962 designations for Tier 7, evidenced by WT's F8U and F-8.
3:53 Please provide a source for the bomb claim, both "Douglas F4D-1 Skyray Flight Handbook AN 01-40FBA-1 NAVWEPS 01-40FBA-1, 1 November 1957, Revised 1 February 1960" and "Standard Aircraft Characteristics (SAC) F-6A AIRCRAFT NAVAIR 00-110AF6-1, 1 JULY 1967" make no mention of it.
I concur on all other statements.
The American Fighter: The Definitive Guide To American Fighter Aircraft From 1917 To The Present , published in 1987, ISBN 9780517565889
@@TimsVariety ; So the Wikipedia source. I understand. None of the primary sources or photos I have come across collaborate this.
@@FirstDagger Its the only book in my personal library that mentions the F4D, my old Jane's manuals are too new, but it indicates the F4D could carry a pair of bombs instead of the drop tanks. May or may not have been done operationally, as you likely know a lot of these aircraft have capabilities that don't get used on deployment. Its not a hill I'm willing to die on, it was mentioned once, briefly, and if you want to go to exhaustive lengths to nitpick something trivial like that please feel free.
@@TimsVariety ; I just wish I could find a primary source that collaborates this so we could push Gaijin to add bombs, you know how Gaijin is with sources. I guess I have to get my hands on earlier Flight Manuals somehow. Sorry I my tone was off the previous comment.
@@FirstDagger Its funny you mention that. When the F4D first showed up on the devblog, I passed a few primary sources(books that discussed its revolutionary radar set) on to the devs as "pre-emptive feedback" in the feedback channel on their discord showing that the F4D's radar had a primitive form of CCIP for its unguided rockets, and strongly suggested the jet should have that feature when it went live. They may have already been intending to do that, I don't know, but I mentioned it to them because of how reluctant they've been to give ballistics computers to jets below the top tier. I was quite pleased to see the CCIP made it into the game.
TO be clear before anyone jumps on - I am absolutely NOT taking credit for this - just pointing out that I've done the same thing FirstDagger mentioned, passing primary sources on to the devs.
Is war Thunder still fun? Flown my f105d pretty often recently and I just get frustrated flying without premium and my SL just decrease
Are there any variants that could come in the future for the TT? This is the first US delta wing craft, would've loved it playing it but I'm gonna sell mine for coins.
1:55 c o m p r e s s
If you get uptiered to 10.3, then it's probably better not to enter the game with the insane repair costs.
Basically every tech tree jet when uptiered lol
@@ollilaine6763 Well, I have been playing the Vautours, and you usually get to bomb before the intercept you even in 10.0.
It really depends on your plane. But this thing is just a fighter, rockets have been nerfed, you can't bomb, you have very little ammo, 4 aim 9bs, no countermeasures at all, and you aren't even agile like an F-86 or fast like a Lightning.
I'm starting to research the Russian air teach tree and I was wondering if I should buy the Mig 21s or the SU 7bmk ?
I would say su7 just because you can bomb. But if you want a good dog fighter then go mig21. All depends on what you like to do
I have the Su-7 and plan to get the Mig-21s when it's discounted around War Thunder Anniversary.
The Su-7 still works, but it's not as effective as it used to be. (Air spawn removed, constant uptiers to 10.3 Premium Tier with the F-5C Horde, A-5Cs and A-10s, Reduction of Bombing Rewards etc.)
The 21s is a great plane with terrible missiles, if you’re comfortable with the gun, go for it. Otherwise get the Su-7
Would be awesome if it wasn't at 9.3 which means you're probably going to fly against A5Cs every match
If it was added a few years ago, 9.3 would have been a great BR for it. Gaijin just put all that missile shit into the 9.3-10.3 area.
It's 9.0 now
i have no issues with the colts i do better with them than with the vulcan
Wish they could’ve added this to the tech tree without it being a event vehicle
I think this is gonna be a fantastic combat air patrol jet in ground RB, with some side utility as a high speed low altitude light vehicle predator.
Don't skimp on this plane if you play sim battles. 9.3 is a cap in sim so this thing can't get up tiered. It is not op but very fun in sim battles and definitely up the tier list. If you play sim battles buy this for the 20 dollars if you have the money. People are selling it for nothing due to it being "not good" in air rb.
Tldr this good in sim. Buy while it's only 20 dollars!
I hope we get the Gutless Cutlass one day, just because it looks cool.
We probably will
Either as a premium or event vehicle
Food for av8s mig21 and A5C
Without the missiles the harriers and A-5Cs can't hold themselves like the MiG-21SMT, and MF
More like missile food
For what is radar lock for lower tiers without radar guided missiles?
For tracking targets like in real life, because magic target detection like in WT doesn't exist. Radar predates radar guided missiles.
Primarily to get accurate rate-of-close or rate-of-loss information.
hopefully they lower the repair cost for it in a few months or so would suck if they didn't
Seems like this jet has a ton of flaws in RB, but is it good in arcade?
For watching the DEFYN video on this plane it is
yeah, it's repair cost in arcade is far more reasonable and wing rip isn't an issue
They couldn’t have had this be a challenge in the middle of summer rather than when school starts?
They intentionally do it to get people to fork over cash
This is the middle of summer. Still a month till autumn comes.
"turns like a champion" if your crew is maxed out and doesnt mind 13 g pulls to dodge missiles from migs
The repair cost would be fine if it was 8.0
0:12 no its doesnt. its nowhere to be found
How did you get access to this plane before all 8 marks of distinction?
creators can request test drives from the snail
I was able to get early access through the content creator partner program.
It'd be a great aircraft to have, but sadly it's way too expensive; over-tiered; too high B/R, etc. 😱
Whenever I see an A10 get hit by an IR missile I just shake my damn head... You've got near unlimited flares, you should NOT get hit by IR missiles.
Oh dear god
wtf with that repair cost ! 😂
I like
you showed her some love...she sucks but still xD
I can’t wait to destroy this thing in my mig21smt
NINE POINT THREE!!!!!!!!!! Gaijin is f-ing pathetic.
Lmao 20k
This ain't your 60s F-4
Ah, so it's hot garbage. Glad I gave it a miss.
Love me
HERES MY BASIC ViEww… it’s pretty shit🚽