The Z1 extreme cpu is insane, my desktop gaming pc has a 7600x that is plenty for any game, yet its only like 15-20% more powerful on average than a z1 extreme.
I have a Rog Ally Z1e, and I have a Rog XG Mobile RTX3080 from my Rog Flow X13 (2021) laptop. Watching your video, I realized that I shouldn’t update to the new version of Rog Ally X, since the current one works better and more stable than what you showed. Despite all this, I do not lose mobility. Because Rog XG Mobile is small enough to take with you. And powerful enough to play in ultra settings with good fps on an external ultrawide 34'' monitor with a resolution of 3440x1440p (21:9). Thanks for your video.
Just remove the Bitlocker. The encryption only serves to slow things down, and make data recovery more difficult. Unless you are keeping sensitive documents on your ally then the Bitlocker will not help you.
Yeah you CAN do that though I PERSONALLY will not recommend doing that unless you know about potential consequences when loosing the device. Or if it's stolen. :) I'm a heavy user of the windows ecosystems and potentially important data is on almost all my devices 😅
Open up command prompt of powershell as an admin and enter to below to disable bitlocker. Bitlocker is pointless to have on your machine unless you have a password/fingerprint to unlock the device. Even then, someone can still access the SSD by bypassing your password pretty easily without taking anything out of the system. The only way BitLocker works is if the SSD is taken out of the machine and tried to be read by another device. manage-bde -protectors -disable c:
@@Hubwood just a heads up, bitlocker isn't that secure and you can also buy a neat little TPM sniffer that can get you the recovery key for any device for a whopping 10$. You shouldn't put sensitive data on a device you travel with a lot, just disable the bitlocker 👍. There's also a handful of Linux distros if you're about keeping your data secure, I wouldn't recommend Windows.
You are running it at 1080p, these egpu's love 1440p+, helps with performance running at a higher resolution, creating higher demand on the GPU vs. the CPU. At 1080p you are placing more work on the CPU.
I had a similar issue with a 77000 XT in my legion go. I had to do two things: - use the legion go power cord in one usb c plug, but not my usual power supply setup from a thunderbolt hub - plug the thunderbolt from the egpu in after the legion go was powered on; I.e not have it plugged in whilst booting up.
TB4 is a downgrade on XGM. Instead of me buying ally X, I spent it buying 3080 XGM and now I have 16gb VRAM instead of 8gb from X. Nice video btw. Thanks
well you can connect it to a tb5 egpu in the future. with the price of the 3080 XGM (which is a mobile gpu and not a desktop gpu) for 1000€ I can buy a egpu enclosure + either a 3080 for 500€ or a 3090 for like 800€. (just scrolled through the market quick). The thunderbolt way is simply better and cheaper. the XGM gpus have no resale value, because they are only used for ASUS hardware. edit: Another thing. you can lookup benchmarks and you will see that thunderbolt delivers more fps in 4k than XGM... since with a egpu its not so mobile anyway, connecting it to a 4k tv makes sense and thus its better to have thunderbolt. Thats actually THE reason why I havent bought the Z1E, because of this useless custom ASUS egpu slot... No way I am paying 1000-3000€ for a notebook GPU, while there are way cheaper options if they were taking the thunderbolt option.
@@Confector69 i see. Since you do not own z1e then you do not have enough experience on it. And probably a handheld is not for you. Good thing that you have more space where you can build a desktop cheaper than handheld + egpu. Enjoy on your setup and people with limited space will enjoy their handheld + egpu. TB4 devices can get a bandwidth on TB5 egpu is just your imagination. They have different bandwidth. You still need to buy an expensive TB5 device to match its bandwidth.
@@YelNatSttocS you are partly correct. The host end has still lower bandwidth. You will still get a increase in performance though when connecting a tb5 enclosure to a tb3 device. Bandwidth is not everything. Another important factor is latency. So you will see improvement. Lets take a example here. A friend of mine has still old copper cable on his property, but the rest of the way up to the provider is glass fibre, he still gets glass fibre internet speed altough he has no glass fibre on his property. Kinda a logical thing right, since the most of the way the data is traveling on a faster route. So for the tb way a lower perf drop is expected when using tb5 egpu instead of tb3 egpu on that tb handheld. You could buy a tb5 notebook for 3k, but is it worth the 3% performance difference? Idk.
@@Confector69 as of the moment if you have an OG ally instead of getting an ally X the best option is to get an XGM with the same price on ally X. This is comparing on what I have vs the content on this channel.
@@YelNatSttocSyea you kinda right on that part, plus high end graphics card on TB4 they having issues with stutter. So better wait for a device and egpu that supports TB5, other than that better go off by XGmobile for now.
You see always bad results on 1080p with eGPU. Because you get into CPU bottleneck territory there plus bandwidth. Everything is waiting to send more data over USB4. CPU has scheduled all draw calls, GPU rendered frame, sent it out. To get benefits from an eGPU you need to make the GPU the bottleneck, 1440p high settings. But don’t expect 120fps. Aim for 60 at the highest resolution possible. Sometimes it’s even worth using Nvidia DRS to rendered all at higher resolution and down scale it. So the GPU has to work making room for USB4 bandwidth while it’s working. EGPU is a hassle and in especially CPU demanding games often not worth it in the end. But your results where good 👍 and I think the USB4 implementation of AMD does a good job with Thunderbolt compatibility
Quite good video and good conclusion. Only thing I would have liked was the comparison to the RTX4070 in desktop to show the CPU and the bandwith as a bottleneck. It really really really depends on the game. Games like Apex Legends want to utilize the CPU. Therefore an eGPU can really be a bottleneck. Other titles are using more of the GPU. And it depends on the resolution. The higher the resolution the higher the gpu utilization. Was thinking of switching to the ally x as only pc with epgu but than I would have to lower my resolution in most my games from 1440p to 1080p for same FPS. I am really looking forward to Thunderbolt 5. With TB5 there will be eonugh bandwith for a reasonable egpu solution beyond 1080p
Can you tell us if this gpu support can charge the rog ally x in same time while we are using it (reverse charging at full power)? Or do we have to plug the orignal charger of the rog ally x in addition of the gpu support in the same time ? Thank you for your videos!
It supports reverse charging of devices, but if you want to connect a non-Bluetooth connected mouse and keyboard, you need to use another Type-C port to connect your mouse and keyboard to the power supply.
@@Hubwood It shows there's some people make us see some performance so we want to know about playing VR Games with an external graphic card connected to a handheld which is the Rog ally x Connected to egpu
@@Russiangamerpro2021 Глядя на ник я думаю ты меня поймешь. У меня есть Rog Ally Z1 exrtreme, так же есть rog xg mobile 3080 из комплекта с ноутбуком rog flow x13, который я купил за год до появления в продаже портатива от асуса. (это я к тому, что я не больной человек специально для портатива покупать егпу, он просто уже был у меня). Так вот я вообще нормально так играл в HL Alyx на связке Rog Ally + rtx 3080 в шлеме Квест3. Играл через стим линк. Меня не укачивало, фризов не ловил. особенно после обновления роутера в картире на меш систему.
I’ve found both 900p and 720p to look fantastic when running AAA games on the original Ally screen.(you can barely tell a difference between 720/900/1080) I almost feel like running a comparison between the way you would game on the Ally screen, say at 720p, versus an external monitor with an eGPU at 1080p, would be a more fair comparison.
Nah, that would probably be "realistic" but not fair 🙂 though I agree that on the small screen lower resolutions are fine. BUT FSR is basically using lower resolutions and resizing them. You won't get better results with 720p without using FSR than using FSR and 1080p.
But I used to know that they said they can release Thunderbolt 5 which is mean USB 5 Up to 80 gigs that should be plenty enough performance for everything you can use
Now im curious very dumb question. So lets say you connect the egpu but, you actually decide to play the rog ally X without connecting anything because your going on a trip. Would you be able to??? Or would it mess up due to the new driver so it has to stay connected?
You can of course still take the Ally X with you :) just turn it off. Turn off the eGPU, and take it with you. On the next startup it will use the integrated graphic again. In theory you could even just turn off the eGPU and take it right away, but I haven't tested how it behaves in that case.
1) to use it fully, it should be an external screen connected to the eGPU directly to save more bandwidth 2) usually everything maxes out with a 3070 ti / 4060 ti, above that it’s a waste of money: the bandwidth and the CPU are too limited for more.
@@RK-qn7tg the better the GPU the greater the performance loss; the available bus width and CPU power will bottleneck the GPU. As most solutions are mobile CPUs and the eGPU box is in most cases Thunderbolt 3/4, you shouldn’t use a powerful GPU because you’ll lose a lot. Solutions: Oculink: 64 Gbps, as Thunderbolt 3/4 works up to 40 Gbps (future TB5 80 Gbps)
@@Hubwood ruclips.net/video/f5Uamm9cqs8/видео.htmlsi=DmZLAqpRmsOphPJ4 ETA prime has tried it with a 4090 and it seems to deliver better results than a ps5 or even PS5 pro as it's running games at above 60fps ultra at 4k . I won't go to a 4090 but a 4070 super is viable. But I don't want it to perform worse than a PS5 pro or any console for that matter 😅
Evening from the UK, Superb Clip but do you have a Vid on exactly how to set up this properly for example connecting cables to relevant sections? I seen a hub but would be nice to see how its done, Just a middle aged man confused here ! :)
Really no Rocket Science :) EGPU -> Connect to Power. Connect the Thunderbolt 4 Cable to the Ally X. Connect the HDMI cable directly from the eGPU to the Screen (if youre using an external screen) Ally X -> Connect to Power. Connect it via Thunderbolt 4 cable to the eGPU (as stated above) If you're using a USB Hub for the Ally X: EGPU -> Same procedure as above Ally X -> Connect to the USB Hub. Connect Poer and Drives/Mouse etc to the USB Hub. Connect Thunderbolt 4 Cable to the second USB C Slot.
I have the ally z1 extreme and have been thinking about getting the new one cause I have a couple gpu’s laying around and wanted to see if it’s worth it to upgrade and run a egpu while at home
Could I connect it to a normal white Asus Rog Ally even if the full capabilities of the graphics card are not taken advantage of since it does not have Thunderbolt 4 or would that be impossible? . since I have some spare graphics cards that I do not use
@@Hubwood Isn't it a bit more challenging to get AMD cards to work? Nvidia I know performs GPU switch perfectly, but (on NerdNest I believe it was) someone mentioned that AMD switch while already using igpu from AMD could confuse it.
i have the ally z1 extreme...i want to buy a gpu enclosure but this model has only one usb c...will it charge in the same time? or...if i connect the ally to a dock and i connect the gpu in the dock and power cable in the dock as well...will it do the job? i want to buy an egpu for it i woul even buy gpd or onex egpu but they are thunderbolt and a little cheaper but i.m not sure if it will charge in the same time...4090 is 2k....even 6850m xt cost 6 700...and than i.m stuck with it i can.t use it for anything
Ok but i have rog ally x , and i was wondering if this support reverse charge or do i have to plug the original charger of the rog ally x ? Or this thing can charge rog ally in same time by itself?@@Hubwood
Hi, I'm trying to connect the egpu dock to my ally x but it doesn't recognize the graphic card at all. Nothing in the device manager. But my laptop recognizes the card right away. I tried to update the bios. System but nothing worked. Can you help me? Thanks
Tried to turn on the eGPU before you turn on the allyx? And the other way round? Tried to install Nvidia drivers? I didn't have to do anything special to get it going... If you're laptop recognises it, I can assume that you've connected it the right way...
Oh no no your bit locker key can be found using your smart phone and logging into your Microsoft account using your email and password. Top left hand corner click the three lines. Scroll down to devices choose the ROG ally and view codes.
If you're getting that error the GPU is not recognised 🤔 make sure to check the cables and turn on the eGPU before you turn on the ally. Check if the GPU is actually working in another pc if possible.
I have one of these egpu's,,,,, for my ally x,,,,can't get it to work,,, tried 3 power supplies,,,,tested the power supplies with a 24 pin testing adapter,,,,they turn on when i plug the tester adapter in,,, tried 2 asus graphics cards a tuf 1660 super and and a rx 7600,,,,the card that the thunderbolt cable plugs into on the egpu lights up when i plug into the ally x,,,,,but the power supplies won't turn on when i plug them into the egpu,, only thing i can figure is the cards are the problem,,,anyone have a idea what the problem is?,,,,,don't have a pc to test the cards
Like i said,,,,the lights on the card on the egpu that you plug the thunderbolt cable into ligts up when i plug the ally x into it,,,must be something with the graphics card's,,,i ordered a cheap windows 11 pc off ebay,,,,so i should be able to see if the cards work,,,and the power supplies,,,didn't want to buy a pc,,,,but these cards are fairly new and didn't want to waste them
It would be due to the constraints and limits of thunderbolt 4, but I still think something seems wrong with the test results. Like he had the vram set too high for the gpu and the cpu was limited as a result. If that is the case, he would need to set the vram for the gpu to minimums so the cpu had more vram available to it.
i wish original rog ally support thunderbolt egpu in the first place, i don't want to buy the overprice rog xg mobile, and also i don't want to sell my original ally to upgrade to ally x
the original rog ally does not support third gpu except XG Mobile gpu , but now rog ally x support third egpu ?? i still confused which one i want to buy , a laptop gaming or rog ally x , because maybe I will use it in the long term, especially for playing games , So I'm afraid that in the next 2 years I'll no longer be able to play the latest games on rog ally x without egpu
Yes. It's not unlikely that in the next two years there will be games that won't run on the Ally X. Or at least they won't run "good". Which is of course subjective... Thanks to it's bigger Ram size more or less all games should start up... but maybe some games only work on very low settings with FSR performance and/or Frame Generation activated. If You need something that is more futureproof you should get a Gaming Laptop instead.
@@Hubwood you right bro, because I think it would be a huge loss to spend money just to be able to play games while walking or while u laying down , Maybe I will buy a rog g15 laptop with an RTX 3060 gpu, maybe it will still be able to run the GTA 6 game later, sorry my english not really good.
@@Hubwood price performance portability screen size 2 USB 4 ports way before this ever got it. Look at it this way, the legion go is the absolute best. It can be a power house standalone surface computer. It can also be used as a gaming handheld. The legion go was designed for users on the go. I love it, I usually leave the controllers at home and have the device connected to my wireless keyboard and mouse. The go is also smaller in size alone without the controllers, which makes it lighter and more portable. The legion go was designed for the professional on the go who can occasionally game.
@@mikejames6588 i absolutely Love the Legion Go. It's just that everybody has different needs and for some the ally or ally X is better, for some the steam deck and for some the Legion Go. Everyone should choose what's best for them. For some even the (not so great) claw can be the best choice since it seems as in some countries it's much cheaper than the other handhelds for whatever reason...
Not that easy. For work related tasks like video editing or 3D rendering its actually great. Making the used Laptop or Gaming handheld or mini pc a real workstation...
@@Hubwood bottleneck decreases the higher the resolution. absolutely nobody is playing in 1080p using a egpu. At least 1440p, but in 4k the bottleneck is almost gone. performance drop in 4k will be like 5-10% depending on GPU (as long as its not a 4090+)
@@Confector69 shit... is that so? I didn't know that. Will check on that! But sounds weird somehow... 🙈 But wouldn't the needed throughput for 1440p and 4k be higher? Why do you think the bottleneck is bigger at 1080p? The CPU can't be affected, can it?
@@Hubwood I was curious about the exact reason and asked chatgpt. Seems like gaming in 4k with 30bit colors and 120hz would only take approx 75% of the tb3 bandwidth. So bandwidth isnt a problem actually (except you wanna play at 8k resolution at 60fps then it will exceed the 40gb/s). The real problem is the latency. At lower resolutions these tb protocols will get used much more often and they will add these delays into the renderpipeline that will cause into a larger performance drop. Connecting a tb5 egpu to the ally x could reduce this latency problem already where at least one end will use the newest protocols. I saw a video of linus tech tips where he connected a tb5 laptop with a tb5 cable to the ally x and streamed the game between both devices.. there was like 0 input lag.. really impressive.
My plan now is, instead of moving my main computer to play on the 4K TV, buy the Asus 4090 so I don't have to make so much trouble right now in my country, it's €1900, it's cheaper than any laptop with the 4090.@@Hubwood
It won't be able to draw enough from it to justify the cost to performance. I think anything above a 4070 / 4070 TI won't be worth it. Then you might as well just build a stationary desktop rig. If money isn't an obstacle, then I'd do it even if there was a loss. Though 4090 for gaming is largely unnecessary imo.
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The Z1 extreme cpu is insane, my desktop gaming pc has a 7600x that is plenty for any game, yet its only like 15-20% more powerful on average than a z1 extreme.
The Z1 Extreme is suffering from being held back from the rest of the handheld
@@MasGeneric I mean, it's an entire package within the size of a GPU. :P
they're the same generation but for a 30w chip yes that is impressive
I have a Rog Ally Z1e, and I have a Rog XG Mobile RTX3080 from my Rog Flow X13 (2021) laptop. Watching your video, I realized that I shouldn’t update to the new version of Rog Ally X, since the current one works better and more stable than what you showed. Despite all this, I do not lose mobility. Because Rog XG Mobile is small enough to take with you. And powerful enough to play in ultra settings with good fps on an external ultrawide 34'' monitor with a resolution of 3440x1440p (21:9).
Thanks for your video.
Can you create a tutorial how to setup the egpu? Confused why mine is not detecting
Just remove the Bitlocker. The encryption only serves to slow things down, and make data recovery more difficult. Unless you are keeping sensitive documents on your ally then the Bitlocker will not help you.
Yeah you CAN do that though I PERSONALLY will not recommend doing that unless you know about potential consequences when loosing the device. Or if it's stolen. :)
I'm a heavy user of the windows ecosystems and potentially important data is on almost all my devices 😅
Haha my German colleagues installed it on my work laptop, absolutely hate it tbh
Open up command prompt of powershell as an admin and enter to below to disable bitlocker. Bitlocker is pointless to have on your machine unless you have a password/fingerprint to unlock the device. Even then, someone can still access the SSD by bypassing your password pretty easily without taking anything out of the system. The only way BitLocker works is if the SSD is taken out of the machine and tried to be read by another device.
manage-bde -protectors -disable c:
@@Hubwood just a heads up, bitlocker isn't that secure and you can also buy a neat little TPM sniffer that can get you the recovery key for any device for a whopping 10$. You shouldn't put sensitive data on a device you travel with a lot, just disable the bitlocker 👍. There's also a handful of Linux distros if you're about keeping your data secure, I wouldn't recommend Windows.
Yeah I totally agree bitlocker is not worth it.
And for future reference but the vram allocation to auto when using a egpu!
You are running it at 1080p, these egpu's love 1440p+, helps with performance running at a higher resolution, creating higher demand on the GPU vs. the CPU. At 1080p you are placing more work on the CPU.
You are lucky, Im actually publishing a follow up video/test today ;)
Thanks for the video. I can't wait for thunderbolt 5 handheld and egpu.
I had a similar issue with a 77000 XT in my legion go. I had to do two things:
- use the legion go power cord in one usb c plug, but not my usual power supply setup from a thunderbolt hub
- plug the thunderbolt from the egpu in after the legion go was powered on; I.e not have it plugged in whilst booting up.
You're refering to the Bitlocker Recovery Screen?
So will it work that way with an 7900 XT?
TB4 is a downgrade on XGM. Instead of me buying ally X, I spent it buying 3080 XGM and now I have 16gb VRAM instead of 8gb from X. Nice video btw. Thanks
well you can connect it to a tb5 egpu in the future. with the price of the 3080 XGM (which is a mobile gpu and not a desktop gpu) for 1000€ I can buy a egpu enclosure + either a 3080 for 500€ or a 3090 for like 800€. (just scrolled through the market quick). The thunderbolt way is simply better and cheaper. the XGM gpus have no resale value, because they are only used for ASUS hardware.
edit: Another thing. you can lookup benchmarks and you will see that thunderbolt delivers more fps in 4k than XGM... since with a egpu its not so mobile anyway, connecting it to a 4k tv makes sense and thus its better to have thunderbolt. Thats actually THE reason why I havent bought the Z1E, because of this useless custom ASUS egpu slot... No way I am paying 1000-3000€ for a notebook GPU, while there are way cheaper options if they were taking the thunderbolt option.
@@Confector69 i see. Since you do not own z1e then you do not have enough experience on it. And probably a handheld is not for you. Good thing that you have more space where you can build a desktop cheaper than handheld + egpu. Enjoy on your setup and people with limited space will enjoy their handheld + egpu. TB4 devices can get a bandwidth on TB5 egpu is just your imagination. They have different bandwidth. You still need to buy an expensive TB5 device to match its bandwidth.
@@YelNatSttocS you are partly correct. The host end has still lower bandwidth. You will still get a increase in performance though when connecting a tb5 enclosure to a tb3 device. Bandwidth is not everything. Another important factor is latency. So you will see improvement.
Lets take a example here. A friend of mine has still old copper cable on his property, but the rest of the way up to the provider is glass fibre, he still gets glass fibre internet speed altough he has no glass fibre on his property. Kinda a logical thing right, since the most of the way the data is traveling on a faster route. So for the tb way a lower perf drop is expected when using tb5 egpu instead of tb3 egpu on that tb handheld. You could buy a tb5 notebook for 3k, but is it worth the 3% performance difference? Idk.
@@Confector69 as of the moment if you have an OG ally instead of getting an ally X the best option is to get an XGM with the same price on ally X. This is comparing on what I have vs the content on this channel.
@@YelNatSttocSyea you kinda right on that part, plus high end graphics card on TB4 they having issues with stutter. So better wait for a device and egpu that supports TB5, other than that better go off by XGmobile for now.
You see always bad results on 1080p with eGPU. Because you get into CPU bottleneck territory there plus bandwidth. Everything is waiting to send more data over USB4. CPU has scheduled all draw calls, GPU rendered frame, sent it out. To get benefits from an eGPU you need to make the GPU the bottleneck, 1440p high settings. But don’t expect 120fps. Aim for 60 at the highest resolution possible. Sometimes it’s even worth using Nvidia DRS to rendered all at higher resolution and down scale it. So the GPU has to work making room for USB4 bandwidth while it’s working. EGPU is a hassle and in especially CPU demanding games often not worth it in the end. But your results where good 👍 and I think the USB4 implementation of AMD does a good job with Thunderbolt compatibility
Hey check out my new video where I specifically compare it at 1440p and 4K also Vs my desktop pc....
Quite good video and good conclusion. Only thing I would have liked was the comparison to the RTX4070 in desktop to show the CPU and the bandwith as a bottleneck.
It really really really depends on the game. Games like Apex Legends want to utilize the CPU. Therefore an eGPU can really be a bottleneck. Other titles are using more of the GPU. And it depends on the resolution. The higher the resolution the higher the gpu utilization.
Was thinking of switching to the ally x as only pc with epgu but than I would have to lower my resolution in most my games from 1440p to 1080p for same FPS. I am really looking forward to Thunderbolt 5. With TB5 there will be eonugh bandwith for a reasonable egpu solution beyond 1080p
I agree :)
I have the same eGPU dock and disabling the iGPU in device manager doesn't ask me for my bitlocker key. Maybe it was patched for better eGPU support.
Was BG3 even using the eGPU? My gut reaction looking at the numbers was that it defaulted to the iGPU every time.
Yes it was 😅
(Disabled the iGPU to be sure)
Nice, one qq, does this eGPU work with the old/white Rog Ally ?
No 😔 that only works with the proprietary XG Dock/eGPUS (VERY expensive)
Can you tell us if this gpu support can charge the rog ally x in same time while we are using it (reverse charging at full power)? Or do we have to plug the orignal charger of the rog ally x in addition of the gpu support in the same time ? Thank you for your videos!
It supports reverse charging of devices, but if you want to connect a non-Bluetooth connected mouse and keyboard, you need to use another Type-C port to connect your mouse and keyboard to the power supply.
I think a 3080 egpu is a good sweet spot
Can you actually play VR games by using EGPU by using a 4070 directly to the Rog ally x
Yes you could of course use it for VR in general. But it will also be limited by the 40Gb/s bandwidth ... Probably not working too good.
@@Hubwood Can you actually just give a test either playing VR chat
@@Hubwood It shows there's some people make us see some performance so we want to know about playing VR Games with an external graphic card connected to a handheld which is the Rog ally x Connected to egpu
@@Russiangamerpro2021 Глядя на ник я думаю ты меня поймешь. У меня есть Rog Ally Z1 exrtreme, так же есть rog xg mobile 3080 из комплекта с ноутбуком rog flow x13, который я купил за год до появления в продаже портатива от асуса. (это я к тому, что я не больной человек специально для портатива покупать егпу, он просто уже был у меня). Так вот я вообще нормально так играл в HL Alyx на связке Rog Ally + rtx 3080 в шлеме Квест3. Играл через стим линк. Меня не укачивало, фризов не ловил. особенно после обновления роутера в картире на меш систему.
I’ve found both 900p and 720p to look fantastic when running AAA games on the original Ally screen.(you can barely tell a difference between 720/900/1080) I almost feel like running a comparison between the way you would game on the Ally screen, say at 720p, versus an external monitor with an eGPU at 1080p, would be a more fair comparison.
Nah, that would probably be "realistic" but not fair 🙂 though I agree that on the small screen lower resolutions are fine.
BUT FSR is basically using lower resolutions and resizing them. You won't get better results with 720p without using FSR than using FSR and 1080p.
720p is blurry though. 900p and 1080p look crisp on the Ally screen.
I did this with a legion go and the supplied cable was making it unstable, I used a cheap thunderbolt cable I had and it is almost stable.
Have you been able to get any active TB cables to work with the ROG Ally X? Only passive working for some reason.
But I used to know that they said they can release Thunderbolt 5 which is mean USB 5 Up to 80 gigs that should be plenty enough performance for everything you can use
Would i see a benefit playing warzone?
Great video btw.
yes you would defenitely.
Now im curious very dumb question. So lets say you connect the egpu but, you actually decide to play the rog ally X without connecting anything because your going on a trip. Would you be able to??? Or would it mess up due to the new driver so it has to stay connected?
You can of course still take the Ally X with you :) just turn it off. Turn off the eGPU, and take it with you. On the next startup it will use the integrated graphic again. In theory you could even just turn off the eGPU and take it right away, but I haven't tested how it behaves in that case.
@Hubwood oooh okay I see. I want to give this a try like I'm invested but worried if I could brick it or destroy it.
1) to use it fully, it should be an external screen connected to the eGPU directly to save more bandwidth
2) usually everything maxes out with a 3070 ti / 4060 ti, above that it’s a waste of money: the bandwidth and the CPU are too limited for more.
That's what I did 😅
What about 4070 ti super?
@@Hubwood yes, I’m just clarifying for people in general, as I read a lot and tested also most solutions
@@RK-qn7tg the better the GPU the greater the performance loss; the available bus width and CPU power will bottleneck the GPU. As most solutions are mobile CPUs and the eGPU box is in most cases Thunderbolt 3/4, you shouldn’t use a powerful GPU because you’ll lose a lot.
Solutions: Oculink: 64 Gbps, as Thunderbolt 3/4 works up to 40 Gbps (future TB5 80 Gbps)
The combination of rog ally + EGPU 4070 super is more powerful than the ps5 pro ?
No. Too much performance loss in many games.
@@Hubwood really ? So a PS5 pro Will be more powerful than Rog ally X + 4070 super 😐 I'm shocked...
@@ALISHAPLAY10 yes, because the Thunderbolt 4 eGPU is bottlenecking the 4070 too much in many games.
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ETA prime has tried it with a 4090 and it seems to deliver better results than a ps5 or even PS5 pro as it's running games at above 60fps ultra at 4k . I won't go to a 4090 but a 4070 super is viable. But I don't want it to perform worse than a PS5 pro or any console for that matter 😅
Hey bro these eGPU don’t work with the console screen only? Or you need a monitor?
No you don't need a monitor. But you get a few more FPS if you use an external monitor directly plugged in to the eGPU
@@Hubwoodthanks. Is Enough power to charge the rog ally x from the EGPU?
Evening from the UK, Superb Clip but do you have a Vid on exactly how to set up this properly for example connecting cables to relevant sections? I seen a hub but would be nice to see how its done, Just a middle aged man confused here ! :)
Really no Rocket Science :)
EGPU -> Connect to Power. Connect the Thunderbolt 4 Cable to the Ally X. Connect the HDMI cable directly from the eGPU to the Screen (if youre using an external screen)
Ally X -> Connect to Power. Connect it via Thunderbolt 4 cable to the eGPU (as stated above)
If you're using a USB Hub for the Ally X:
EGPU -> Same procedure as above
Ally X -> Connect to the USB Hub. Connect Poer and Drives/Mouse etc to the USB Hub. Connect Thunderbolt 4 Cable to the second USB C Slot.
I have the ally z1 extreme and have been thinking about getting the new one cause I have a couple gpu’s laying around and wanted to see if it’s worth it to upgrade and run a egpu while at home
Could I connect it to a normal white Asus Rog Ally even if the full capabilities of the graphics card are not taken advantage of since it does not have Thunderbolt 4 or would that be impossible? . since I have some spare graphics cards that I do not use
No... The normal ally only works with the very expensive Asus Rog XG eGPU
i have a pc with a 4070 ti by msi but it always crashes, im wondering if i can use the gpu for my rog ally?
For the ROG Ally X. Yes.
For the "original" ROG Ally. No.
Hello did you use 7840u driver or official driver for thé Ally X to use thé eGpu
Official driver!
But for the eGPU I was using a Nvidia card anyhow... So...
@@Hubwood thanks ,it s just for thé AMD card WE must use thé 7840u driver as thé GPD G1 or onexegpu ?
Can I use it with an 7900 XT?
Yes ;)
@@Hubwood Isn't it a bit more challenging to get AMD cards to work? Nvidia I know performs GPU switch perfectly, but (on NerdNest I believe it was) someone mentioned that AMD switch while already using igpu from AMD could confuse it.
@@JamieR you can deactivate the iGPU then :) but tbh I haven't tested it
Thanks for sharing.
Is this recommended and how much performance loss will i get
Is it possible to do it with rog ally z1 extreme?
No. That needs the original Asus xg eGPU / Dock
i have the ally z1 extreme...i want to buy a gpu enclosure but this model has only one usb c...will it charge in the same time? or...if i connect the ally to a dock and i connect the gpu in the dock and power cable in the dock as well...will it do the job? i want to buy an egpu for it i woul even buy gpd or onex egpu but they are thunderbolt and a little cheaper but i.m not sure if it will charge in the same time...4090 is 2k....even 6850m xt cost 6 700...and than i.m stuck with it i can.t use it for anything
Your Ally Z1 extreme can NOT use a Thunderbolt eGPU. You would need to buy the original ASUS XG Dock.
Ok but i have rog ally x , and i was wondering if this support reverse charge or do i have to plug the original charger of the rog ally x ? Or this thing can charge rog ally in same time by itself?@@Hubwood
How come Diablo 4 performance of GTX 1070 Ti is better than RTX 4070? This is not possible
I know... Triple checked it... Must be a driver or bandwidth issue... 😐
@Hubwood I think so too bro
Between the cpu and thunderbolt, it is bottlenecking the GPU. Same will happen with a lower end cpu and a 4070 on a desktop.
Hi, I'm trying to connect the egpu dock to my ally x but it doesn't recognize the graphic card at all. Nothing in the device manager. But my laptop recognizes the card right away. I tried to update the bios. System but nothing worked. Can you help me? Thanks
Tried to turn on the eGPU before you turn on the allyx? And the other way round? Tried to install Nvidia drivers?
I didn't have to do anything special to get it going... If you're laptop recognises it, I can assume that you've connected it the right way...
Oh no no your bit locker key can be found using your smart phone and logging into your Microsoft account using your email and password. Top left hand corner click the three lines. Scroll down to devices choose the ROG ally and view codes.
Anyone else having problems getting the nvidia drivers to install on the ally x? I keep getting the cannot install, no nvidia gpu detected on system
If you're getting that error the GPU is not recognised 🤔 make sure to check the cables and turn on the eGPU before you turn on the ally. Check if the GPU is actually working in another pc if possible.
Is there any way to connect it to the original rog ally?
Nope.
@@Hubwood does it work without problems on x?
@@FamilyGaming_FG it should, yes.
Wild
Wyld!
Would there be a way to make this work with original ally via its USB c port or anything please man the xgmobile products are a rip off 😂
No, unfortuntely not :(
Does this work on regular rog ally z1 extreme?
NO! That needs a very expensive DeGPU by ASUS...
i have a rx6600 laying around collecting dust, was wondering if i can use it on ally X instead of being a paper weight on my desk.
In general yes, don't know about driver issues since both are amds though...
I have one of these egpu's,,,,, for my ally x,,,,can't get it to work,,, tried 3 power supplies,,,,tested the power supplies with a 24 pin testing adapter,,,,they turn on when i plug the tester adapter in,,, tried 2 asus graphics cards a tuf 1660 super and and a rx 7600,,,,the card that the thunderbolt cable plugs into on the egpu lights up when i plug into the ally x,,,,,but the power supplies won't turn on when i plug them into the egpu,, only thing i can figure is the cards are the problem,,,anyone have a idea what the problem is?,,,,,don't have a pc to test the cards
First turn on the egpu and THEN they ally. Which eGPU do you have? THIS Wikingoo?
@@Hubwood the same as the video,,,it just won't turn on for some reason,,,like I said,,,,I tested the power supplies,,,,they seem to work
did you check the windows device manager? is it listed? double checked all cables?
@Hubwood what is it listed as in device manager?
Like i said,,,,the lights on the card on the egpu that you plug the thunderbolt cable into ligts up when i plug the ally x into it,,,must be something with the graphics card's,,,i ordered a cheap windows 11 pc off ebay,,,,so i should be able to see if the cards work,,,and the power supplies,,,didn't want to buy a pc,,,,but these cards are fairly new and didn't want to waste them
Strange the 4070 don't use its full power.
It would be due to the constraints and limits of thunderbolt 4, but I still think something seems wrong with the test results. Like he had the vram set too high for the gpu and the cpu was limited as a result. If that is the case, he would need to set the vram for the gpu to minimums so the cpu had more vram available to it.
i wish original rog ally support thunderbolt egpu in the first place, i don't want to buy the overprice rog xg mobile, and also i don't want to sell my original ally to upgrade to ally x
Why only x2 fps with RTX4070 👀👀👀 ?
Bandwith limited especially at 1080p
How much bottleneck you think a RTX 4060 could get?
1080p tests make no sense.
You will be playing using QHD or 4K display if using eGPU.
It would be better to test 1070ti in QHD and 4070 in 4K.
I ran another test with WQHD and 4K. Check it out.
the original rog ally does not support third gpu except XG Mobile gpu , but now rog ally x support third egpu ?? i still confused which one i want to buy , a laptop gaming or rog ally x , because maybe I will use it in the long term, especially for playing games , So I'm afraid that in the next 2 years I'll no longer be able to play the latest games on rog ally x without egpu
Yes. It's not unlikely that in the next two years there will be games that won't run on the Ally X.
Or at least they won't run "good". Which is of course subjective...
Thanks to it's bigger Ram size more or less all games should start up... but maybe some games only work on very low settings with FSR performance and/or Frame Generation activated.
If You need something that is more futureproof you should get a Gaming Laptop instead.
@@Hubwood you right bro, because I think it would be a huge loss to spend money just to be able to play games while walking or while u laying down , Maybe I will buy a rog g15 laptop with an RTX 3060 gpu, maybe it will still be able to run the GTA 6 game later, sorry my english not really good.
@@joiceandrean3385AFMF2 showed a good increase in fps on a lot of games, works on both ROG Ally and ROG Ally X.
Whack. The legion go rips this
How so? What do you mean :)
@@Hubwood price performance portability screen size 2 USB 4 ports way before this ever got it. Look at it this way, the legion go is the absolute best. It can be a power house standalone surface computer. It can also be used as a gaming handheld. The legion go was designed for users on the go. I love it, I usually leave the controllers at home and have the device connected to my wireless keyboard and mouse. The go is also smaller in size alone without the controllers, which makes it lighter and more portable. The legion go was designed for the professional on the go who can occasionally game.
@@mikejames6588 i absolutely Love the Legion Go. It's just that everybody has different needs and for some the ally or ally X is better, for some the steam deck and for some the Legion Go. Everyone should choose what's best for them.
For some even the (not so great) claw can be the best choice since it seems as in some countries it's much cheaper than the other handhelds for whatever reason...
xg mobile is not compatible with rog ally x
No unfortunately not.
moral of the story. Don't by a cheap egpu from China
Not that easy. For work related tasks like video editing or 3D rendering its actually great. Making the used Laptop or Gaming handheld or mini pc a real workstation...
Dam running like trash on thunderstorms port😂
its their joke actually, i was just copying
I suggest using rtx 2060 or 2070 instead of gtx 1070 ti
Yeah as I said something like a 3060 might make sense. I was just using 2 very different gpus to show a range 😅
I’m curious to know how NBA2k25 plays. I’m curious to know if it approaches PS5 performance
Really bad performance for 1080p!
Used 2080 ti might be the sweet spot for these devices 11gb of vram u can play any game at ultra.
I don't know if the 2080ti wouldn't already be bottlenecked too hard by the 40Gbp/s.
I mentioned the 3060 since it comes with 12GB of Vram...
@@Hubwood bottleneck decreases the higher the resolution. absolutely nobody is playing in 1080p using a egpu. At least 1440p, but in 4k the bottleneck is almost gone. performance drop in 4k will be like 5-10% depending on GPU (as long as its not a 4090+)
@@Confector69 shit... is that so?
I didn't know that. Will check on that! But sounds weird somehow... 🙈
But wouldn't the needed throughput for 1440p and 4k be higher? Why do you think the bottleneck is bigger at 1080p? The CPU can't be affected, can it?
@@Hubwood I was curious about the exact reason and asked chatgpt. Seems like gaming in 4k with 30bit colors and 120hz would only take approx 75% of the tb3 bandwidth. So bandwidth isnt a problem actually (except you wanna play at 8k resolution at 60fps then it will exceed the 40gb/s). The real problem is the latency. At lower resolutions these tb protocols will get used much more often and they will add these delays into the renderpipeline that will cause into a larger performance drop. Connecting a tb5 egpu to the ally x could reduce this latency problem already where at least one end will use the newest protocols. I saw a video of linus tech tips where he connected a tb5 laptop with a tb5 cable to the ally x and streamed the game between both devices.. there was like 0 input lag.. really impressive.
the solution is to remove the win 11 malware and install a minty fresh crisp copy of win 10 or bazzite 😁
😅 haha... Have you actually tried windows 10 on these devices? (as they only came with win 11 in the first place)
i run win 10 on most of my stuff, also, use Arch btw, 😁
You want W11 for direct storage.
@@JamieR nope
Win11 but with revios or some debloater like that
Why am I watching this, what a waist of time
😭 so harsh
Is it profitable to buy the Asus 4090 xg for the Ally?
Not really. It's a mobile GPU in a eGPU dock. It's faster, sure. But way too expensive.
My plan now is, instead of moving my main computer to play on the 4K TV, buy the Asus 4090 so I don't have to make so much trouble right now in my country, it's €1900, it's cheaper than any laptop with the 4090.@@Hubwood
It won't be able to draw enough from it to justify the cost to performance. I think anything above a 4070 / 4070 TI won't be worth it. Then you might as well just build a stationary desktop rig. If money isn't an obstacle, then I'd do it even if there was a loss. Though 4090 for gaming is largely unnecessary imo.
WHAT ABOUT 4070 TI SUPER
A 4090 Mobile is equivalent to a desktop 4070.
But for 4090 price.
Don’t do it.