Great video Greg. Not sure I agree with the logic that the players right to a spot on the floor supersedes the requirement to be in legal guarding position when guarding a ball handler. The argument I would make would be that although every player has a right to their spot on the floor if you are guarding there are stricter rules that apply such as establishing and maintaining legal guarding position. I don't feel in this play we can simply kick aside the requirement of legal guarding position. As soon as the player on the floor became a 'defender' and began guarding the player with the ball by putting her hands in the air, LGP should apply. Since she didn't establish LGP while guarding the ball handler that is what she did wrong. Applying the same logic of having a right to a spot on the floor, did the screener that tripped the defender not have a right to her spot on the floor and the tripping is not an illegal screen? I think we all agree that it was an illegal screen as the screener while having a right to her spot on the floor didn't adhere to the more stricter rules when becoming a screener...time and distance and feet no more that shoulder width etc. Thanks for all you do Greg.
On play 3, it's a pity the actual buzzer wasn't there. As can be seen, the clock 'hangs' a bit on 0.1. By rule, WE DO NOT FOLLOW THE CLOCK (FIBA, that is). We follow a light around the board, and if that is not available, the horn. Now, it may be the horn started accurately, or it may be the horn started at 0.0. It doesn't matter what the clock says. If the horn blows 2 seconds *after* the clock says 0, the clock would still be disregarded (although I would argue the game equipment isn't working properly...)
Play #1 my understanding is everyone is entitled to their spot on the court she was at least on her knees shooter jumps into her I would call that a charge.
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Play 4: once both players go to the floor with that much contact, there has to be a whistle, right? Maybe Black pulls down White. Maybe PCF on White with his shoulder. But there HAS to be a whistle, no?
Play #1: The screener is responsible for any contact, so call the illegal screen and move on. However, since that didn't happen, the defender really didn't do anything wrong to be called for that foul. Play #2: In FIBA, there isn't any specific stipulation about the FT shooter losing control of the ball, so the official could allow the player to have a redo, or simply, consider what happened here as the attempt. Play #3: Once the outside official waves off the basket, then the contact would have been disregarded unless ruled unsportsmanlike; however, if the ball had been released before the horn and contact, then the basket would have counted. In the case where the contact was ruled before the horm, then at least 0.3 seconds would have to be put back on the clock, and if the defensive team was in bonus, then #24 would shoot FT's. Play #4: Luckily, in FIBA there are no live ball time-outs, so nothing to worry about for part of this play. I would have liked to see the Centre come and pay attention to the players first, then talk to his partner, and if he called the pull-down, then they wouldn't have had to worry about the time-out. Play #5: Agreed...what's the hurry, and I'd prefer if he walked around the players to report instead of through them. Also, if he was wider, then he could be more concerned with what's going on instead of having to get out of the way, and the Trail could be a touch faster getting down there since he should have seen the player clapping and the response.
#2: fiba does: Free throw was released, and the player had it at it's disposal. 43.2.3: The free throw shooter shall: ... Use any method to shoot a free throw in such a way that the ball enters the basket from above or the ball touches the ring An infraction is a violation Shooter fails to do this --> shooter infraction. #3: The interesting thing is: we don't look at the *time*, we check the buzzer /light. In this case, the clock was at 0.1 for a while before it went to 0. It's possible the buzzer started before that -- we'll never know.
@@cptfwiffoPlay #2: My point was that FIBA does not have a specific stipulation/case play that tells us what to do in that situation as NFHS does. So, if the pass was muffed from the official, then we could start over; however, it wasn't, as in this case, so you could call it a violation as I stated in the last sentence of my first post. Play #3: I have always been taught to check the time at the end of a quarter if the clock is visible from my position as the non-calling official, and you should always check the clock/shot clock during the game as the non-calling official; this is just a good habit since not all table officials are created equally. Also, since most courts are not equipped with backboard lights, FIBA officials have the luxury of being able to put time back on the clock if the whistle happens before the horn/lights and we aren't exactly sure how much time was left.
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Great video Greg. Not sure I agree with the logic that the players right to a spot on the floor supersedes the requirement to be in legal guarding position when guarding a ball handler. The argument I would make would be that although every player has a right to their spot on the floor if you are guarding there are stricter rules that apply such as establishing and maintaining legal guarding position. I don't feel in this play we can simply kick aside the requirement of legal guarding position. As soon as the player on the floor became a 'defender' and began guarding the player with the ball by putting her hands in the air, LGP should apply. Since she didn't establish LGP while guarding the ball handler that is what she did wrong. Applying the same logic of having a right to a spot on the floor, did the screener that tripped the defender not have a right to her spot on the floor and the tripping is not an illegal screen? I think we all agree that it was an illegal screen as the screener while having a right to her spot on the floor didn't adhere to the more stricter rules when becoming a screener...time and distance and feet no more that shoulder width etc. Thanks for all you do Greg.
On play 3, it's a pity the actual buzzer wasn't there. As can be seen, the clock 'hangs' a bit on 0.1. By rule, WE DO NOT FOLLOW THE CLOCK (FIBA, that is). We follow a light around the board, and if that is not available, the horn. Now, it may be the horn started accurately, or it may be the horn started at 0.0. It doesn't matter what the clock says. If the horn blows 2 seconds *after* the clock says 0, the clock would still be disregarded (although I would argue the game equipment isn't working properly...)
Play #1 my understanding is everyone is entitled to their spot on the court she was at least on her knees shooter jumps into her I would call that a charge.
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Play 4: once both players go to the floor with that much contact, there has to be a whistle, right? Maybe Black pulls down White. Maybe PCF on White with his shoulder. But there HAS to be a whistle, no?
Play #1: The screener is responsible for any contact, so call the illegal screen and move on. However, since that didn't happen, the defender really didn't do anything wrong to be called for that foul.
Play #2: In FIBA, there isn't any specific stipulation about the FT shooter losing control of the ball, so the official could allow the player to have a redo, or simply, consider what happened here as the attempt.
Play #3: Once the outside official waves off the basket, then the contact would have been disregarded unless ruled unsportsmanlike; however, if the ball had been released before the horn and contact, then the basket would have counted. In the case where the contact was ruled before the horm, then at least 0.3 seconds would have to be put back on the clock, and if the defensive team was in bonus, then #24 would shoot FT's.
Play #4: Luckily, in FIBA there are no live ball time-outs, so nothing to worry about for part of this play. I would have liked to see the Centre come and pay attention to the players first, then talk to his partner, and if he called the pull-down, then they wouldn't have had to worry about the time-out.
Play #5: Agreed...what's the hurry, and I'd prefer if he walked around the players to report instead of through them. Also, if he was wider, then he could be more concerned with what's going on instead of having to get out of the way, and the Trail could be a touch faster getting down there since he should have seen the player clapping and the response.
#2: fiba does: Free throw was released, and the player had it at it's disposal. 43.2.3: The free throw shooter shall: ... Use any method to shoot a free throw in such a way that the ball enters the basket from above or the ball touches the ring
An infraction is a violation
Shooter fails to do this --> shooter infraction.
#3: The interesting thing is: we don't look at the *time*, we check the buzzer /light. In this case, the clock was at 0.1 for a while before it went to 0. It's possible the buzzer started before that -- we'll never know.
@@cptfwiffoPlay #2: My point was that FIBA does not have a specific stipulation/case play that tells us what to do in that situation as NFHS does. So, if the pass was muffed from the official, then we could start over; however, it wasn't, as in this case, so you could call it a violation as I stated in the last sentence of my first post.
Play #3: I have always been taught to check the time at the end of a quarter if the clock is visible from my position as the non-calling official, and you should always check the clock/shot clock during the game as the non-calling official; this is just a good habit since not all table officials are created equally. Also, since most courts are not equipped with backboard lights, FIBA officials have the luxury of being able to put time back on the clock if the whistle happens before the horn/lights and we aren't exactly sure how much time was left.
How are you getting bonus free throws for the defense on play 3?
Play 3 - They can’t shoot at .3, only tap. Assuming their clock showed tenths of a second as your inserted clock does.
The clock did show tenths
Rule 5-2-5 only applies during a throw-in resumption or missed free throw situation. It wouldn’t apply in this case.