Year 3256: Punjabi Invasion Theory - Punjabis migrated from Brampton and Southhall Gujarati Invasion Theory - Gujaratis migrated from New Jersey Tamil Invasion Theory - Tamils migrated from Malaysia Malayalis Invasion Theory - Malayalis migrated from Gulf (And the story of invasion continues😅)
Aryan invasion Theory completely ignores the Geographic and Population dynamics of Indian Subcontinent. For it to be true at least tens of thousands of people should have been involved in this act. Moreover, they have to cross treacherous Hindu kush mountains and Afghanistan plateau without support of modern technology and logistics.
@@MrLee-gj2jz first of all linguistics is not an exact science . Therefore nothing concrete can be derived from linguistics. While, in case of Genetics all depend upon the number of sample collected and the specific location to which they belong. I doubt enough genetic sample has ever been collected to correctly determine the ancestry of even a fraction of the population of India. Only Evidence which could prove or disprove Aryan invasion Theory is the ARCHEOLOGICAL one. Which has find nothing about so called ARYAN INVASION THEORY. Moreover, Roots of Aryan Invasion Theory lies in Systemic Racism and Nazism.
Sir Julian Sorell Huxley underwent another evolution of thought concerning race. In *We Europeans, published in 1936* _in which he explicitly says_ ""Moreover Max Muller threw another apple of discord. He introduced a proposition *which is demonstrably false* . He spoke not only of a definite Aryan language and its descendants, but also of a Corresponding "Aryan race." "" The renowned natural scientist, Sir Julian Huxley argues that: In England and America *the phrase 'Aryan race' has quite ceased to be used by writers with scientific knowledge* , though *it appears occasionally in political and propagandist literature*
So how come India was invaded and conquered many times through same mountains by differing forces and different cultures Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins
The only thing that will solve this problem is if the Indus-Valley script is discovered. At this point , it is strictly academic debate. The facts are both RigVeda and IVC are entire about Indian. As to who were the ancestors of each is irrelevant at that point from the point of view of culture. Anything before than that is mostly anthropological history and not the history of civilizations.
Apart from genetic study, another point is that Aryan Migration/ Invasion is irrelevent because it completely based on the modern map of India especially post 1947. In Mahabharata and other ancient texts the extent of Bharat/ Jamboo dwip was much much larger, and the places from where these alleged migration is said to have taken place was well within Bharat/Jamboodwip, so any type of migration is just like say a person moving from one Indian state or another, nothing more.
Fun fact : pre independence almost all political leaders believed in Aryan invasion theory and considered themselves Aryan eg Gandhi, Tilak, Nehru,savarkar, golvelkar etc only Ambedkar opposed it. Now right wing opposes it and left believe in it.
Kushal, I know Rajib Khan is your friend and you think highly of him. However, after listening to Rajib on AIT on a few channels, I do not share your view of him. Rajib is too certain of his narrative, which he builds by cherry picking a few pieces of evidence that suit his narrative. Whereas true scholars like Dr. Rai and Dr. Elst are very careful in considering all evidence, putting forward all possibilities and reaching only guarded conclusions (a hallmark of genuine scholars), Rajib is too glib and too sure of his narrative, which is often the sign of half-baked knowledge and over-confidence. I don't think a scholarly and sober conference will benefit from pompous loud mouths like Rajib.
It also has name for snow even though it doesn't snow in India. Has word for spring and autumn even though this season doesn't exist in India. India only experiences summer, monsoon and winter. There isn't even a transition period of more than a month.
There is NO PIE, only Proto Sanskrit. Dhruyu, Anu, etc., were the Sanskrit speaking groups migrated out of India around 3,000 BCE, They may have spoken the Centum branch of Sanskrit & Puru may have spoken the Satem branch of Sanskrit, they remained in India and further developed Sanskrit. Dhruyu, etc., may have migrated out before the Sanskrit Alphabet was structured in the present form i.e., all Vowels in one group and Consonants in a logical order. This is why European languages have many Sanskrit words but don't have the same Alphabet.
Stop pushing your fantasy. There is a clear gap between classical Sanskrit and other indo Europeans languages that's why they are siblings and their mother is proto indo Europeans language
@@gagadonim3354 The simple point is what should PIE be called. The parent / ancestral language of Vedic Sanskrit originated in India, it was spoken by the direct genetic ancestors of the developers of Vedic Sanskrit who were the composers of the Vedas i.e.., the Puru-Bharatas. Therefore this parent / ancestral language should be called Proto Sanskrit and NOT PIE. Europeans only took the language from people who had migrated from India, thus Europeans are not the related Genetically to the Proto-Sanskrit speakers. So naming the Proto language 'European' is fundamentally wrong. Developers should get credit, NOT users.
@@gagadonim3354 Indo-European is a silly name. Only one location name must be used, based on your opinion of location of origin of Vedic Sanskrit. If it is India - Proto Sanskrit. Europe - Proto European. Steppe - Proto Yamnaya Anatolia - Proto Anatolian. There are no Bronze Age civilizations in Europe, Steppe and Anatolia. 'PIE' is used by Europeans to claim that there is ambiguity. There is no ambiguity. All the evidence is available. Vedic Sanskrit is the Oldest language in the So-Called 'Indo European' language family. The Bronze Age civilization started in India around 3300 BCE. What was the language of this civilization? It has to be Sanskrit, it can't be any other language. There is ZERO / NIL evidence of any other language ever having been used in this part of India [ Sind, Gujarat, Punjab, Shekawat, Marwar, Haryana, etc.], other than Sanskrit.
the migration was gradual it took 2000 yrs it start from 1400bce to 400 ce .... and this steppes people also had R1A DNA almost every iindian had it ( excl. NE and Andaman).... remember don't consider this steppe with aaryan ... also in kashmir scientist found some samples which found to be around 2700 BCE and this dna is similar to present day kashmiri bbrahmin ( pundits) .....
@@VanaraVegeta Its the opposite,theres too many evidence of AMT that even OOT cant even answer basic questions. Questions such as why genetic shows steppe ancestry to be absent in Harappan people but present everywhere in India after 1500 BC. Questions such as why earliest finding of a proto sankrit language existed outside of India but nowhere it is find in India. Such as the prevalance of old Vedic gods in Mittani empire but nowhere to be found in Indian history
Fun fact : pre independence almost all political leaders believed in Aryan invasion theory and considered themselves Aryan eg Gandhi, Tilak, Nehru,savarkar, golvelkar etc only Ambedkar opposed it. Now right wing opposes it and left believe in it.
Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins settlers around saraswati out of India theories need to show how so many different countries. Got Sanskrit language and how migrants moved along which routes
source: THE SPREAD OF ZEBU CATTLE FROM SOUTH ASIA TO THE EAST MEDITERRANEAN REGION AS A MARKER OF INDO-EUROPEAN POPULATION DISPERSAL ~ Semenenko, Aleksandr Andreyevich *INTRODUCTION* Zebu cattle endemic in South Asia were domesticated in the Indus valley around 7000 BC. Zebu bulls played an important role in the religion and mythology of Indo-Aryans native to Hindustan since the composition of Rigveda where they are mentioned in an exclusive connection with Indo-Aryan Devas in all main chronological layers of the text (I.46.3; I.121.4; I.181.5; I.184.3; IV.44.2; V.73.7; V.75.4; VIII.20.21; X.8.2; X.102.7). The spread of zebu cattle (depictions) from India through Afghanistan, southern Central Asia and modern day Iran to the East Mediterranean region including Syria, Anatolia, Cyprus and Palestine correlates well with the present geographical distribution of human Y- haplogroups L-M11, R2 (R-L266) and R1a-Z93 originating from Hindustan and of South Asian human genome K5 and South Indian human genome K16 (see the maps published by Dr. O. Balanovsky. *CONCLUSION* The spread of zebu cattle (depictions) from the Indus valley to the East Mediterranean region including Syria, Anatolia, Cyprus and Palestine correlates well with the present geographical distribution of human Yhaplogroups L-M11, R2 (R-L266) and R1a Z93 originating from Hindustan and of South Asian human genome K5 and South Indian human genome K16. Both sets of data correlate with maps showing the relative proportions of zebu admixture in the three genomic components (mitochondrial, autosomal and Y-chromosomal) from the present day cattle populations across the Near East. These human population and domestic humped cattle movements are to be connected with the dispersal of Indo-European languages (spoken - Indo-Aryan and Iranian - and extinct - Kassite and Mitanni Aryan and Anatolian) from Hindustan to Asia Minor in 7000-1000 BC.
Holocene time period for Indo iranian expansion fits well with harappa /Indian DNA. Whether OIT or AMT. Evidence from sumerian and indus musical instruments and their sanskrit names indicate early expansion.
Brilliant discussion. Much appreciate Dr. Rai and Dr. Elst for their scholarly views. While I appreciate Kushal's idea of an interdisciplinary conference, I am not sure about Dr. Elst's views on inviting the western AIT dogmatists. I do not see why the AIT dogmatists would want to engage with OIT proponents since the latter are the underdogs and the former have nothing to gain from such an engagement. The AIT dogmatists would have an incentive to speak with the OITers only when the latter reach a position of strength. Such a position of strength can be attained by setting up a parallel academic research establishment based in India, Indian Universities, Indian journals and Indian documentary and movie makers. Once the OIT gains steam in the Indian establishment, and given that India has 1.4 billion+ population and a fast growing economic might, the AIT dogmatists will be forced to come talk to the Indian scholars and the OIT theorists. Reaching such a position of strength requires strong philanthropic financial support from Indian billionaires for supporting the research, journals and public outreach. I hope some of them will be inspired enough to support such a noble cause.
Even tho Flat Earthers are wrong still all the Globe Earthers debate them regularly so why not in our case debates should be done too (and we aren't even on the wrong side here)? Truth fears no investigation, if they aren't debating this means they know they have holes in their theory which they don't wanna show
Now if some body moves from Bihar to Orissa, it will not be called Bihari Migration theory, or if some Bengali to Tamil Nadu, it will not be called Bengali Invasion theory because the country is same, so what we consider foreign and domestic is vital. It will vary vastly from Europen projection/framework of our country , specially if we follow Geographical descriptions mentioned in our ancient texts.
Niraj Rai, Gyaneshwar Dubey and others should combine study on River Saraswati and genetic studies when analysing the issue. Chatterjee, A., Ray, J.S., Shukla, A.D. et al. On the existence of a perennial river in the Harappan heartland. Sci Rep 9, 17221 (2019) showed that river Saraswati was perrenial between approx 7000 to 2500 BCE. Rig Veda referred to the perrenial and mighty nature of river Saraswati. Puru composed Rig Veda and lived on both sides of River Saraswati in this period and thus were early Harrappans. Rakhigarhi study shows that there was no steppe ancestry in the sample dated 2500 BC. Thus Vedic Aryas were not of steppe descent which came into India only with Kushans, Sakas, Huns etc
Cut your audio systemnn needs to be improved. Either you use better microphone or hold the mic closer to the mouth.. Very difficult to understand difficult to hear and understand Dr. Elst
Basically he disproved the AMT/AIT & As he noted, there are continuous small migrations in and out of India over a long period of history. Also, he explicitly mentioned that there are some solid evidence of *OIT* (out of India theory).
@@VanaraVegeta oh great. Ty. What is kushaal talking about about new evidence that shows 'Aryan' homeland came from Iran? Is Dr. Rai saying homeland is for Sure in india genetically?
It is so funny watching people say that the Aryan invasion did not happen. If you ask any European whether they invaded or migrated to Europe from Central Asia. They will answer we invaded and settled down in Europe. The Aryans of India imagine that their ancestors were very good people, who were vegetarians and non-violent. This is laughable. Entering into someone else's country, property or home is not called migration. It is invasion. The Aryans invaded India. Now they are very comfortable, so they are cooking up stories to legitimatize their presence in India. They destroyed the Indus civilization and took the survivors as slaves. They took the women and made their descendants into Dravidians . That is why the Dravidians are Hindus, Sudra by caste and are of chocolate color and speak all kinds of languages, unknown to the Aryans. What a mix? But still they have the nerve to say that there was no invasion.
You did not get anything of what's being discussed Both invasion and migration is debunked with respect to present of IE in India. It's Indo-Iranian in origin. So there's no question of invasion OR migration As for violence, the compilation of vedas starts at the culmination of widespread violence in form of tribal wars that's described in Rig Veda. So noone's denying violence in our past Lastly, trying to legitimise their presence in India is how British started this mess pushing the fraud idea of pure superior race leading to Nazism, wars, and racism that exists to this day. And the ethnic conflicts of today's India is the direct consequence of Europeans in India cooking up stories. Such a cooked up story by Europeans killed the entire Tutsi tribe in Rwanda
All this debunking of the Aryan invasion theory is Aryan propaganda. Do not fool us. When the Europeans ruled India the Aryan people were falling at their feet like chamchas. Now when they have left, they are talking in a lofty tone. All the Indians in the USA and Europe are Indian Aryans. You should have said all these things when the Europeans were here. You never did anything. Portraying the Aryans as a innocent race is ridiculous. They are invaders. They are happily enjoying their life in India. Why don''t you go back to Central Asia? @@kartaaham
Sir basically Afghanistan or near balochistan is Aryan homeland that's it or northern Persia and there is no invasion by them when u living side by side ur neighbour and heavy trade happen act of war is shoot in the foot
They were technically talking about that. But the main idea of Aryan Migration Hypothesis Is AIT itself (Mentioned in this discussion ) were the mainstream academia seamlessly spreads it was actually an invasion .
@@MrLee-gj2jz the DNA scientist guy said that the iindian's and iirainian have same dna upto 10000bce ... not todays iiran they have some aarab dna whereas parsis have same iindian dna ... now go find PIE langauge..
The word for elephant ibha can also mean mammoth as MAMMOTHS were pressent in central asia till 5000Bc as there were many words for elephants in vedic sanskrit but only ibha in other branches
No this is wrong. I don't think you understand the situation. 1. Mammoths where not found in Steppe or Anatolia but Siberia ~5k BC which is not the mainstream homeland of PIE 2. Cognate words of Ibha in Germanic (ulbandus) and Slavic (velibodŭ) have the meaning Camel. In RV it means Elephant. This semantic change won't happen if Elephants were not absent in Central Asia. 3. India is the only IE area were Elephants were found, tamed, traded and used for warfare, transport and menial tasks.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 in vedic Sanskrit there are atleast 5 words for elephant in rig veda, wheras only ibha is the only word present in other branches
We need more geographical evidence to support the theories No one knows what happened in India during the younger dryas period More likely that the mountain dwellers survived the deluge and then migrated outwards in all directions
Just because a gatekeeper like Reich supports something does not mean it is correct. In data sparse fields like this, available data can be fit to different narratives equally well. Reich's narrative rests on gatekeeping; whereas Rai presents cogent evidence for his views. I find Rai more credible.
Most people in the world are mixed, so what if most Indians are also ? Like you realize that the genetics have proved AMT ( idk about any invasion) so i don’t understand why all you people have such a big issue with it ?
@@himynameiscat1795 That's because they themselves have an hidden agenda that they would like to push. The fact that Indo European languages are related and that's been proven by linguists and philologist, and also there is some DNA markers that have been looked at. So we are on the right track. We can all argue about this till the cows come home, but unless we have a time machine, we can't really prove anything but go by the most accepted hypothesis.
@@himynameiscat1795 well it looks like you didn't realise that there is not a single evidence of AMT (single large migration). On the other hand we have some solid evidence of *OIT* (out of India theory).
@@himynameiscat1795 No one is disproving we are a mixed population rather they are rejecting the notion that IA and its culture has it roots outside the subcontinent. Don't confuse the two.
Year 3256:
Punjabi Invasion Theory - Punjabis migrated from Brampton and Southhall
Gujarati Invasion Theory - Gujaratis migrated from New Jersey
Tamil Invasion Theory - Tamils migrated from Malaysia
Malayalis Invasion Theory - Malayalis migrated from Gulf
(And the story of invasion continues😅)
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@bruhh5933I am in support of indian invasion ...on Pakistan💀
Telugus migrated from California and Texas
Please use individual mics. The audio quality is very poor.
This clearly looks like ad-hoc arrangement. You could rarely plan to get such guests at same time. Don't be so pedantic instead use some common sense
Feedback:If you want to convey/reach to large audience then don't compromise viewers/listeners comfort because of your own and guest comfort.
So don't watch
@@Aparup985 feedback is not for you. So, you can relax.
I agree
@@Aparup985 are you serious? If the point is to educate Hindus then these types of things matter
Aryan invasion Theory completely ignores the Geographic and Population dynamics of Indian Subcontinent.
For it to be true at least tens of thousands of people should have been involved in this act.
Moreover, they have to cross treacherous Hindu kush mountains and Afghanistan plateau without support of modern technology and logistics.
More precisely they ignore how just 1000 people may change language of people their population may more than lakh this shit its pure bollocks
@@veerswami7175 Proponents of Aryan Invasion Theory simply lacks common sense.
@@MrLee-gj2jz first of all linguistics is not an exact science . Therefore nothing concrete can be derived from linguistics.
While, in case of Genetics all depend upon the number of sample collected and the specific location to which they belong.
I doubt enough genetic sample has ever been collected to correctly determine the ancestry of even a fraction of the population of India.
Only Evidence which could prove or disprove Aryan invasion Theory is the ARCHEOLOGICAL one.
Which has find nothing about so called ARYAN INVASION THEORY.
Moreover, Roots of Aryan Invasion Theory lies in Systemic Racism and Nazism.
Sir Julian Sorell Huxley underwent another evolution of thought concerning race. In *We Europeans, published in 1936*
_in which he explicitly says_
""Moreover Max Muller threw another apple of discord. He introduced a proposition *which is demonstrably false* . He spoke not only of a definite Aryan language and its descendants, but also of a Corresponding "Aryan race." ""
The renowned natural scientist, Sir Julian Huxley argues that:
In England and America *the phrase 'Aryan race' has quite ceased to be used by writers with scientific knowledge* , though *it appears occasionally in political and propagandist literature*
So how come India was invaded and conquered many times through same mountains by differing forces and different cultures Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins
The only thing that will solve this problem is if the Indus-Valley script is discovered. At this point , it is strictly academic debate. The facts are both RigVeda and IVC are entire about Indian. As to who were the ancestors of each is irrelevant at that point from the point of view of culture. Anything before than that is mostly anthropological history and not the history of civilizations.
No, rigveda is strictly about puru bharata clan only, it's not pan India.
@@praz7actually it is about India since it talks about about 17 rivers of India
And India is Bharat.
Apart from genetic study, another point is that Aryan Migration/ Invasion is irrelevent because it completely based on the modern map of India especially post 1947. In Mahabharata and other ancient texts the extent of Bharat/ Jamboo dwip was much much larger, and the places from where these alleged migration is said to have taken place was well within Bharat/Jamboodwip, so any type of migration is just like say a person moving from one Indian state or another, nothing more.
Fun fact : pre independence almost all political leaders believed in Aryan invasion theory and considered themselves Aryan eg Gandhi, Tilak, Nehru,savarkar, golvelkar etc only Ambedkar opposed it.
Now right wing opposes it and left believe in it.
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@@alpeshmittal3779 Colonial thought process has deep root, right wing/left wing doesn't matter.
@@ppchowdhury9332 it's not colonial thought it's their own
Kushal, I know Rajib Khan is your friend and you think highly of him. However, after listening to Rajib on AIT on a few channels, I do not share your view of him. Rajib is too certain of his narrative, which he builds by cherry picking a few pieces of evidence that suit his narrative. Whereas true scholars like Dr. Rai and Dr. Elst are very careful in considering all evidence, putting forward all possibilities and reaching only guarded conclusions (a hallmark of genuine scholars), Rajib is too glib and too sure of his narrative, which is often the sign of half-baked knowledge and over-confidence. I don't think a scholarly and sober conference will benefit from pompous loud mouths like Rajib.
PIE has word for Elephant and Monkey and scholars also argued for Tiger all these three proves homeland in India
It also has name for snow even though it doesn't snow in India. Has word for spring and autumn even though this season doesn't exist in India. India only experiences summer, monsoon and winter. There isn't even a transition period of more than a month.
@@praz7it does snow in indian subcontinent
There is NO PIE, only Proto Sanskrit.
Dhruyu, Anu, etc., were the Sanskrit speaking groups migrated out of India around 3,000 BCE,
They may have spoken the Centum branch of Sanskrit &
Puru may have spoken the Satem branch of Sanskrit, they remained in India and further developed Sanskrit.
Dhruyu, etc., may have migrated out before the Sanskrit Alphabet was structured in the present form i.e., all Vowels in one group and Consonants in a logical order. This is why European languages have many Sanskrit words but don't have the same Alphabet.
Stop pushing your fantasy. There is a clear gap between classical Sanskrit and other indo Europeans languages that's why they are siblings and their mother is proto indo Europeans language
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The simple point is what should PIE be called.
The parent / ancestral language of Vedic Sanskrit originated in India, it was spoken by the direct genetic ancestors of the developers of Vedic Sanskrit who were the composers of the Vedas i.e.., the Puru-Bharatas.
Therefore this parent / ancestral language should be called Proto Sanskrit and NOT PIE.
Europeans only took the language from people who had migrated from India,
thus Europeans are not the related Genetically to the Proto-Sanskrit speakers.
So naming the Proto language 'European' is fundamentally wrong.
Developers should get credit, NOT users.
@@DiatomAlgae I see your points. But we need more evidence for sure
@@gagadonim3354
Indo-European is a silly name.
Only one location name must be used,
based on your opinion of location of origin of Vedic Sanskrit. If it is
India - Proto Sanskrit.
Europe - Proto European.
Steppe - Proto Yamnaya
Anatolia - Proto Anatolian.
There are no Bronze Age civilizations in Europe, Steppe and Anatolia.
'PIE' is used by Europeans to claim that there is ambiguity.
There is no ambiguity. All the evidence is available.
Vedic Sanskrit is the Oldest language in the So-Called 'Indo European' language family.
The Bronze Age civilization started in India around 3300 BCE.
What was the language of this civilization?
It has to be Sanskrit, it can't be any other language.
There is ZERO / NIL evidence of any other language ever having been used in this part of India [ Sind, Gujarat, Punjab, Shekawat, Marwar, Haryana, etc.], other than Sanskrit.
No invasion but there are lot of evidence of migration as in older days everyone wanted to come to india
also, there are 0 evidence of AMT.
one should not confuse these migrations with AMT.
the migration was gradual it took 2000 yrs it start from 1400bce to 400 ce .... and this steppes people also had R1A DNA almost every iindian had it ( excl. NE and Andaman).... remember don't consider this steppe with aaryan ... also in kashmir scientist found some samples which found to be around 2700 BCE and this dna is similar to present day kashmiri bbrahmin ( pundits) .....
@@VanaraVegeta Its the opposite,theres too many evidence of AMT that even OOT cant even answer basic questions. Questions such as why genetic shows steppe ancestry to be absent in Harappan people but present everywhere in India after 1500 BC. Questions such as why earliest finding of a proto sankrit language existed outside of India but nowhere it is find in India. Such as the prevalance of old Vedic gods in Mittani empire but nowhere to be found in Indian history
Please do your dream conference..mind blowing 🙏🏼
Fun fact : pre independence almost all political leaders believed in Aryan invasion theory and considered themselves Aryan eg Gandhi, Tilak, Nehru,savarkar, golvelkar etc only Ambedkar opposed it.
Now right wing opposes it and left believe in it.
@@MrLee-gj2jz could it be that the Kshatriyas slayed by parshurama were these people?
Because of existing academics of that contemporary which was colonized by the European orientalists mostly
@@praz7 thats a myth not real
Love your videos but this was a bit hard to hear due to the sound quality
Can you add subtitles?
Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins settlers around saraswati out of India theories need to show how so many different countries. Got Sanskrit language and how migrants moved along which routes
source:
THE SPREAD OF ZEBU CATTLE FROM SOUTH ASIA TO THE EAST MEDITERRANEAN REGION AS A MARKER OF INDO-EUROPEAN POPULATION DISPERSAL
~ Semenenko, Aleksandr Andreyevich
*INTRODUCTION*
Zebu cattle endemic in South Asia were domesticated in the Indus valley around 7000 BC. Zebu bulls played an important role in the religion and mythology of Indo-Aryans native to Hindustan since the composition of Rigveda where they are mentioned in an exclusive connection with Indo-Aryan Devas in all main chronological layers of the text (I.46.3; I.121.4; I.181.5; I.184.3; IV.44.2; V.73.7; V.75.4; VIII.20.21; X.8.2; X.102.7). The spread of zebu cattle (depictions) from India through Afghanistan, southern Central Asia and modern day Iran to the East Mediterranean region including Syria, Anatolia, Cyprus and Palestine correlates well with the present geographical distribution of human Y- haplogroups L-M11, R2 (R-L266) and R1a-Z93 originating from Hindustan and of South Asian human genome K5 and South Indian human genome K16 (see the maps published by Dr. O. Balanovsky.
*CONCLUSION*
The spread of zebu cattle (depictions) from the Indus valley to the East Mediterranean region including Syria, Anatolia, Cyprus and Palestine correlates well with the present geographical distribution of human Yhaplogroups L-M11, R2 (R-L266) and R1a Z93 originating from Hindustan and of South Asian human genome K5 and South Indian human genome K16. Both sets of data correlate with maps showing the relative proportions of zebu admixture in the three genomic components (mitochondrial, autosomal and Y-chromosomal) from the present day cattle populations across the Near East. These human population and domestic humped cattle movements are to be connected with the dispersal of Indo-European languages (spoken - Indo-Aryan and Iranian - and extinct - Kassite and Mitanni Aryan and Anatolian) from Hindustan to Asia Minor in 7000-1000 BC.
Holocene time period for Indo iranian expansion fits well with harappa /Indian DNA. Whether OIT or AMT. Evidence from sumerian and indus musical instruments and their sanskrit names indicate early expansion.
Brilliant discussion. Much appreciate Dr. Rai and Dr. Elst for their scholarly views. While I appreciate Kushal's idea of an interdisciplinary conference, I am not sure about Dr. Elst's views on inviting the western AIT dogmatists. I do not see why the AIT dogmatists would want to engage with OIT proponents since the latter are the underdogs and the former have nothing to gain from such an engagement. The AIT dogmatists would have an incentive to speak with the OITers only when the latter reach a position of strength. Such a position of strength can be attained by setting up a parallel academic research establishment based in India, Indian Universities, Indian journals and Indian documentary and movie makers. Once the OIT gains steam in the Indian establishment, and given that India has 1.4 billion+ population and a fast growing economic might, the AIT dogmatists will be forced to come talk to the Indian scholars and the OIT theorists. Reaching such a position of strength requires strong philanthropic financial support from Indian billionaires for supporting the research, journals and public outreach. I hope some of them will be inspired enough to support such a noble cause.
Even tho Flat Earthers are wrong still all the Globe Earthers debate them regularly so why not in our case debates should be done too (and we aren't even on the wrong side here)? Truth fears no investigation, if they aren't debating this means they know they have holes in their theory which they don't wanna show
Kya podcast ke starting me jo neeraj rai sir ne drawback bataya vo south Russian homeland ka tha na na ki anatolian homeland ka ???
Aryan migration? Nobody with the exception of Sanghis uses the term Aryan Invasion.
Now if some body moves from Bihar to Orissa, it will not be called Bihari Migration theory, or if some Bengali to Tamil Nadu, it will not be called Bengali Invasion theory because the country is same, so what we consider foreign and domestic is vital. It will vary vastly from Europen projection/framework of our country , specially if we follow Geographical descriptions mentioned in our ancient texts.
😂😂😂 gazab!
Regionalist or subnationalists are already doing what you have mentioned 😂
@@manishsingh9566 Videshi is a word for people from another civilization , When culture was same Videshi cannot be termed to it ..
@Manish Singh but not when they coined aaryavrat or bharat verse or jumbhudivp.
Very knowledgeable video
Horrible mic placement. Most mics have cardioid polar pattern. We are essentially hearing room echo.
You're a streamer, not just a Podcaster
Niraj Rai, Gyaneshwar Dubey and others should combine study on River Saraswati and genetic studies when analysing the issue. Chatterjee, A., Ray, J.S., Shukla, A.D. et al. On the existence of a perennial river in the Harappan heartland. Sci Rep 9, 17221 (2019) showed that river Saraswati was perrenial between approx 7000 to 2500 BCE. Rig Veda referred to the perrenial and mighty nature of river Saraswati. Puru composed Rig Veda and lived on both sides of River Saraswati in this period and thus were early Harrappans. Rakhigarhi study shows that there was no steppe ancestry in the sample dated 2500 BC. Thus Vedic Aryas were not of steppe descent which came into India only with Kushans, Sakas, Huns etc
Mind blowing🤯
Audio Quality not good.
Cut your audio systemnn needs to be improved. Either you use better microphone or hold the mic closer to the mouth.. Very difficult to understand difficult to hear and understand Dr. Elst
Why dont you make sure the voice quality is good before any program ? Also, Dr. Rai does not know English ??
Can someone translate the hindhi part?
Basically he disproved the AMT/AIT & As he noted, there are continuous small migrations in and out of India over a long period of history.
Also, he explicitly mentioned that there are some solid evidence of *OIT* (out of India theory).
@@VanaraVegeta oh great. Ty. What is kushaal talking about about new evidence that shows 'Aryan' homeland came from Iran? Is Dr. Rai saying homeland is for Sure in india genetically?
@@VanaraVegeta bruh, the audio is so weak can u summarize the video in brief for me?? just say in few lines and conclusion
It is so funny watching people say that the Aryan invasion did not happen. If you ask any European whether they invaded or migrated to Europe from Central Asia. They will answer we invaded and settled down in Europe. The Aryans of India imagine that their ancestors were very good people, who were vegetarians and non-violent. This is laughable. Entering into someone else's country, property or home is not called migration. It is invasion. The Aryans invaded India. Now they are very comfortable, so they are cooking up stories to legitimatize their presence in India. They destroyed the Indus civilization and took the survivors as slaves. They took the women and made their descendants into Dravidians . That is why the Dravidians are Hindus, Sudra by caste and are of chocolate color and speak all kinds of languages, unknown to the Aryans. What a mix? But still they have the nerve to say that there was no invasion.
You did not get anything of what's being discussed
Both invasion and migration is debunked with respect to present of IE in India. It's Indo-Iranian in origin. So there's no question of invasion OR migration
As for violence, the compilation of vedas starts at the culmination of widespread violence in form of tribal wars that's described in Rig Veda. So noone's denying violence in our past
Lastly, trying to legitimise their presence in India is how British started this mess pushing the fraud idea of pure superior race leading to Nazism, wars, and racism that exists to this day. And the ethnic conflicts of today's India is the direct consequence of Europeans in India cooking up stories. Such a cooked up story by Europeans killed the entire Tutsi tribe in Rwanda
All this debunking of the Aryan invasion theory is Aryan propaganda. Do not fool us. When the Europeans ruled India the Aryan people were falling at their feet like chamchas. Now when they have left, they are talking in a lofty tone. All the Indians in the USA and Europe are Indian Aryans. You should have said all these things when the Europeans were here. You never did anything.
Portraying the Aryans as a innocent race is ridiculous. They are invaders. They are happily enjoying their life in India. Why don''t you go back to Central Asia? @@kartaaham
christian tamil lolololol
Please tell me where I am wrong.@@hanzoY248
Ohh Jesus was Indian??
K2a and k2b were siblings and had a common origin.
Sir basically Afghanistan or near balochistan is Aryan homeland that's it or northern Persia and there is no invasion by them when u living side by side ur neighbour and heavy trade happen act of war is shoot in the foot
In nothern iran armenia region
Sir includes West Asia as part of India while doing sampling because Indian subcontinent isn't enough.
Audio isn't the greatest.. but it's ok
Audio is not clear
Prabhu, ye live mat Kiya Karo, instead record karke baad me daal Diya Karo plis🙏
Why we don’t talk about Aryan migration?
ruclips.net/video/CUgoCNtldcQ/видео.html
They were technically talking about that. But the main idea of Aryan Migration Hypothesis Is AIT itself (Mentioned in this discussion ) were the mainstream academia seamlessly spreads it was actually an invasion .
@@MrLee-gj2jz the DNA scientist guy said that the iindian's and iirainian have same dna upto 10000bce ... not todays iiran they have some aarab dna whereas parsis have same iindian dna ... now go find PIE langauge..
The anchor has to buy a better camera.
Kushal bhai comes out of this caste narrative. No point.
Hey Kausal, can you try not to pretend more expert than experts there?
The word for elephant ibha can also mean mammoth as MAMMOTHS were pressent in central asia till 5000Bc as there were many words for elephants in vedic sanskrit but only ibha in other branches
No this is wrong. I don't think you understand the situation.
1. Mammoths where not found in Steppe or Anatolia but Siberia ~5k BC which is not the mainstream homeland of PIE
2. Cognate words of Ibha in Germanic (ulbandus) and Slavic (velibodŭ) have the meaning Camel. In RV it means Elephant. This semantic change won't happen if Elephants were not absent in Central Asia.
3. India is the only IE area were Elephants were found, tamed, traded and used for warfare, transport and menial tasks.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 YAMNAYA and other steppe people were descended from ancestral north Eurasians whi were the primary hunters of these mammoths
@@raghavarvoltore6517 in vedic Sanskrit there are atleast 5 words for elephant in rig veda, wheras only ibha is the only word present in other branches
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 what is Ssc and why is yamnaya not related to Ehg
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 what is Ssc and why is yamnaya not related to Ehg
This fellow is looking at his phone after asking questions ! Absurd.
The white professor is so HARD to follow .
We need more geographical evidence to support the theories
No one knows what happened in India during the younger dryas period
More likely that the mountain dwellers survived the deluge and then migrated outwards in all directions
Poor voice quality. Also, PLEASE TALK SLOW.............Nobody will be able to follow you if you talk this fast.
Reich supports AIT. So Niraj is not correct on this one.
Reich support AMT not AIT. Actually the whole world support AMT,youll find only little people who are in denial unable to accept the reality of AMT
Just because a gatekeeper like Reich supports something does not mean it is correct. In data sparse fields like this, available data can be fit to different narratives equally well. Reich's narrative rests on gatekeeping; whereas Rai presents cogent evidence for his views. I find Rai more credible.
@@RJ-is5uz Who is Reich?
Most people in the world are mixed, so what if most Indians are also ? Like you realize that the genetics have proved AMT ( idk about any invasion) so i don’t understand why all you people have such a big issue with it ?
No one denies this.
@@raghavarvoltore6517 then why do these people keep trying to disprove this and have an issue with it ??
@@himynameiscat1795 That's because they themselves have an hidden agenda that they would like to push. The fact that Indo European languages are related and that's been proven by linguists and philologist, and also there is some DNA markers that have been looked at. So we are on the right track. We can all argue about this till the cows come home, but unless we have a time machine, we can't really prove anything but go by the most accepted hypothesis.
@@himynameiscat1795 well it looks like you didn't realise that there is not a single evidence of AMT (single large migration). On the other hand we have some solid evidence of *OIT* (out of India theory).
@@himynameiscat1795 No one is disproving we are a mixed population rather they are rejecting the notion that IA and its culture has it roots outside the subcontinent. Don't confuse the two.