Rethinking the mystery of gravity
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- What would you think if someone said gravity might not exist as a fundamental force? Prof. Janna Levin explored that mind-bending topic on a recent podcast and breaks down what that means to NBC's Gadi Schwartz.
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#Gravity #Science #Mystery
Right after the Terrence Howard interview on JRE 😂😂😂😂
Exactly!
Terrence Howard can't even use the word gravity in a sentence coherently. This is a different thing.
came here to say this same thing
@@DanLyndon Actually this is exactly what Terrence Howard said...
Bro that’s what I’m saying !!!
It makes perfect sense; just folks get confused on the meaning of "fundamental" within this context. "Not fundamental" doesn't mean "not real", it means "emergently real". In the same way as a bird isn't a flock of birds, and a cell isn't a human; but if you put enough of them together in the right way, you get this new thing which while not fundamental to its individual parts, is emergently real to its collective parts.
Perfect explanation.
She SAID gravity is NOT "REAL", quit LYING for her!
It is a Holistic Interpretation, meaning it isn't OBJECTIVELY REAL. like a human isn't objectively real, but rather a human is ab massive collection of electrons swirling around quarks, which are the objectively real particles
Yes but the concept of the flock is not real. It's an abstract idea to label and identify.
You're exactly right brother, you need a large mass to bend and warp the spacetime manifold to create this pit or well of attraction for objects to fall into, which is what we call gravity.. it is "emergent" as you say, without significant mass you don't have much gravitational force, it's so weak because it requires so much mass to really have any effect compared to the other forces.. it's kind of a pseudo force, just a result of the warping of spacetime
debating gravity always has its ups and downs
Are you saying its a very heavy topic with lots of gravitas?
I’m sorry. This falls short.
It definitely is a weighty topic that keeps pulling us back into the conversation
It’s kept me at rock bottom lately
Its a heavy topic innit ?
Terrence Howard: “I’ve been trying to tell y’all mayne”!
No he hasn't. His ideas are completely unrelated to any actual science. This may sound vaguely similar to something he said, but it's not at all the same when it comes to the details. It also isn't a new idea, it's been a feature of different areas of theoretical physics for decades to consider gravity to be emergent. Terrence Howard, on the other hand, is part of the electric universe cult, which is just the most incoherently stupid bunch of nonsense ever.
It’s a reason they have actual scientist on the show and not Mr Howard
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gravity clearly exists. Go jump off a cliff and tell us what you feel
@@rashadd2615because you have to be white and have initials after your name to say the same thing and be respected for it? Is that the distinction here??
Ever since Terrance Howard went on Joe Rogan
He was quoting Walter Russel a lot from Secret of Light, but some of what TH says is incorrect.
@@sireel i think time will tell. you cannot discredit his patent and use of his own discovery as a foundation for his works. he is actually one of the few in a while to actually apply what he is talking about to the real world, like tesla, davinci, and other science thinkers. while the rest of the science world people, just theorizes and is afraid to step away from the norm. i would say in a world where no one knew nothing and you had to choose between the sciences, terrences makes more sense, when applied to the natural world
@@MiguellolTV I agree with the Walter Russell stuff, Tesla thought he was right, too. By "kook" I meant all the restraining orders and claims of having degrees from schools TH didn't go to, etc., - On Wikipedia.
Being on Joe Rogan is an immediate red flag…
Like Michio Kaku went there exactly when people really started to question if he speaks really science, or just BS clickbait to propagate his own fame.
@@MiguellolTV Time?? The time is up.... i guess it must just be new to you.
ruclips.net/video/YeAQw9YJGtM/видео.htmlsi=-S67EnxoQ0rvdJ9x
Ive learned the only thing Neil Degrass Tyson is an expert in is : interrupting people while they talk.
That guy just likes to hear himself talk
Yes
I been saying this for years😂
ADHD bruv
You just couldn’t find any other reason to hate on him huh😂
Glad to see science being shared on MSNBC 👍
If only they would do the same with the clot shot.
Except they keep using the term “black hole” which is racist
That is just Neil Degrasse doing his magic. Neil is a star, now he is putting his fellow physicist in the light. We like Neil but we know if Neils mind is blown that means something. I watch star talk all the time, this interview was probably one of the first in a long time where Neil's mind was blown and couldnt even explain it.
That is because you will not catch my Dad watching JRE. But he will be on the news channel. What a shame!
Terrence Howard got the masses talking.😂
This is different. It is that one particle or one molecule by itself is not recognizable as a lake or a ocean. But when you take vastly more molecules it is water. She is saying gravity works for macro but breaks down as we dont have a generally accepted idea for individual particles. Let alone sub atomic particles.
A general idea of quantum gravity.
Terrence Howard is a delusional narcissist. He spews BS from head to toe
Startalk is a show that has been going on since 2015, these guys don’t care what Howard is thinking. Lol
oh please
sounds like Terrance Howard called it. Interesting timing of this interview
Billy Carson is another pioneer thatll hopefully rewrite current fake history & beliefs
Explain further how this idea connects with anything Howard said.
@@rashadd2615he tried to explain that gravity isn't a cause it's an effect. Much like they just explained here.
@@greyfenix7123 He made a similar claim but don’t think their 2 explanations were anywhere close to one another
_Howard is a plagiarist._ *He mimic's what he hears on the internet & tries to integrate it with his nonsensical false narrative.*
Terrence Howard just said that. . .
Exactly, he said gravity isn’t a force or a cause, it’s an effect.. Now Neil degrasse and his colleagues immediately start saying “Oh by the way, gravity isn’t a force”
What do you mean now? Do you think they just thought of this recently?
they're about to admit the world is flat lol
Stop that dude is a hack.
Do you really think Terrence Howard originated this idea? Jeez
Terrence Howard was speaking about this on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Terrence Howard said gravity is a byproduct. Yall should watch the podcast. For some again.
i had to get back to th periodic table to fully understand his take on some things and he is very intelligent
My favorite idea about gravity is that it's an effect of entropy. PBS Spacetime did a great video about it.
i still find that channel way too technical
You wouldn't happen to have a link to that video would you?
@@randyt700 ruclips.net/video/qYSKEbd956M/видео.htmlsi=ciphU8guzXO33H6S
Conversations about gravity always pull me in.
it’s a heavy topic
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There is, however, a Santa Claus.
nah, he quit due to the inflation and low home affordability.
Jesus Claus.
Elves were getting expensive, so he outsourced to little asian children.
@@moonshoes11 He enjoys children leaving out bread, fish, and a bottle of wine
If you listen carefully, you can hear my head exploding
The universe is so confusing
It keeps humans busy, to say the least.
I fully believe we are living in a black hole, and the Big Bang was the matter in another larger universe collapsing into our universe(black hole) where the laws of physics act differently. I also believe the same thing about the black holes in our universe contain universes of their own. Maybe matter in the bigger universe that created ours was different and protons were the size of suns.
Terrance Howard - there is no such thing as gravity, its just electricity and magnetism. We literally are on an enormous magnet with a huge magnetic field
That is completely different from what she's saying. Magnetism doesn't explain gravity.
And T.H. Is utterly wrong but nice try trying to glue two totally different theories together and tie him to an actual scientist.
@@ianlassitter2397Your opinion on TH doesn’t matter since you have no credibility to gauge if he is right or wrong Ian.
@@DANGJOS yes I don’t remember everything exactly but it’s more so him talking about the phenomena similar to that of pressure conditions within a limited space with two forces fighting against each other (magnetism and electricity) making it act as gravity and the shapes within that struggle of the space are inherent to the structure of what has been referred to as the flower of life. That structure only exist when relating to certain levels of matter hence why a large earth generates more of it
@@ChiquitaSpeaks But that doesn't really make much sense. Electricity and magnetism don't really fight each other, and that explanation seems vague. Putting words together can sound cool, but where are his equations? Where is the logical flow that leads us to believe that what he's saying should even apply to gravity. It's nowhere near enough.
Why do interviewers have to act like physics is beyond human comprehension and also ask meaningful follow up questions like "Is there experimental evidence yet to support your claim or when will there be?"
They're clueless, and it shows.
nope, it is all conjecture that gravity doesn't exist on a MICRO level.
Albert Einstein explained everything he said so a child could understand it. Now the scientific community talks down to average people.That's how they are able to keep their jobs
It is a way to teach. There are many ways, and this one involves implicit praise to the viewer, that they might learn something obtuse, which is not widely known.
This isn’t a new idea, I was taught that the laws of gravity break down at the quantum-level while taking physics in college back in the 90’s. This physicist just explains it in a slightly less broad of a term.
Saying the laws break down is the same thing as saying that the equations of General Relativity spit out zero as an answer, which is nonsense. She’s essentially saying the math was never intended to be taken so far in the first place. The problem is we still don’t have any mathematical insights into the inner-workings of a black hole without a theory of quantum gravity.
Yeah, I’m confused on why this is presented as some radical new idea.
I been making this argument for years! The validation that I might not be crazy.
Unless I missed something... did she ever attempt to explain how it grew from the collection of the small interactions?
@@UnknowngfyjohThey kind of did with the water analogy - a single atom of water doesn’t behave like “water” as we know it - as a fluid that flows or has surface tension, etc. Water molecules don’t become “water” until there’s lots of them together. Only then do they become what we know as water and start to behave as we know water to behave.
Another way to think of it is something like cars are made out of metal, but metal isn’t a car. It’s not until you have the right amounts of the right kinds of metal (and plastic and rubber and glass etc.) put together in the right way that it becomes a car.
Or if you’ve ever seen one of those videos of a murmuration of starlings - that doesn’t happen with one single starling. It only happens when you have lots of starlings flying together. Therefore, starling murmurations are not a “fundamental force” of starlings because on the smaller scale of one starling, they don’t exist and can’t exist.
"rethinking the mystery of gravity"... shows the same illustration everyone always uses when they explain gravity lol
The only thing I know about gravity is that it's a real b*tch after you've had more than three margaritas.
Clearly alcohol is a gravitational amplifier. Lack of sleep too 😂
Can you remove an object from quantum entanglement and if so, what would happen to the object? How would it interact with everything else?
Are you driving towards gravity modification?
Janna Levin is awesome. So articulate.
She sounds like the kind of professor who might come up with a theory of everything.
Merging quantum physics and classical physics together
I'm starting to wonder of all laws of nature only exist on a macroscopic scale
🎶"We've only just begun..."🎶
This is so beautifully and understandably explained in these two clips, although mostly by analogy.
I would love to know more about what kind of experiments or observations are behind this hypothesis. How do they know or hypothesize this?
But I probably wouldn't understand it anyway even if they told me 😅
The confusion to most is the idea of emergence in the first place. Most things we experience are manifestations of many, simple things happening. Also confusion to most is the idea of process itself - related - as we once believed life was a thing not a process.
Terrance Howard has started a tidal wave
I had this idea more than one time, but since I'm not a physicist it was just an idea. Am I the only one? It feels hard to believe to me that this is the first time anyone else had thought of gravity as an emerging force..
The overall goal is to be able to explain concretely, most likely with maths
No you're not the only one, just write a math proof and be famous
This is a decades old idea. It's nice more people are hearing about it, but there are a bunch of videos about emergent gravity on RUclips alone
I swear physics really is so simple without mafmatics. It would be easier to figure out without the mafmatics in my opinion. Especially considering the math we use might be wrong
It’s crazy I was saying this a decade ago, thank you for greater minds trying to explain and rationalise for the masses.
Totally makes sense. Thank you.
Just a point of clarification for the record, the “planet” you see is reduced to a point like object in the math and the visualization only really allows for 2 dimensions of interpretation.
I love Janna Levin ✨
I understand this, a basic approach to gravity, because just the other day 5 18 24 I refined my 'letter' concerning the origins of gravity
If I look at my pillow at a quantum level there's also no pillow anymore
Gravity worked pretty well on me a few times.
All the time!
She didn't say it doesn't exist. She said it is emergent as opposed to fundamental. It makes sense scientifically, in the mean time don't worry, you're not going to float away.
@jayrusell3796 Yeah, me too. Especially when I used to drink.
That’s because you are a macro-organism.
@@keysemerson3771I imagine that was a gravity joke not commentary on Janna’s points
The painting example is 💯
So Terence Howard ISN’T crazy like people are trying to make him sound????
Fascinating. Just learning about emergence theory. Is this an example of it? What about unification theory? How does that tie in, or does it? Interesting stuff 🙂 Thanks for sharing.
My friend once said,, "I've a gut feeling that image kinetics doesn't exist. "
Georges Seurat would thank you for describing what gravity means using the collective of his "dots" which shows his painting as what it is. Very eloquent way of describing a theory of gravity. 🙂
There is definitely a gravitas to this argument
Pretty interesting analogy. Like saying one water molecule is not “wet.” I don’t know enough to say how accurate another physicist would say the analogy is, but I can wrap my head around it. But I suspect there are equations that can describe wetness in fluid dynamics or whatever the field is called. It’s just fascinating to speculate that what we call gravity has the same relationship between describing it in the aggregate versus describing it at the tiniest possible scales.
Time = Gravity = Time
Time doesn't exist - gravity = magnetism
Terrence Howard just said this…. 😑
Don’t let people gaslight you into saying he wasn’t saying this because I see some comments saying he’s still wrong
Seriously. Is it because he's not white or doesn't have the useless initials after his name that the same theories are treated with completely different reactions?
Einstein’s equations of General Relativity spit out zero as an answer at point of a singularity inside a black hole, which is nonsense. She’s essentially saying the math was never intended to be taken so far in the first place. The problem is we still don’t have any mathematical insights into the inner-workings of a black hole without a theory of quantum gravity. I get the logic of what she is saying but we need be able to describe a singularity mathematically. The same problem exists on that end of the spectrum even if we let General Relativity off the hook.
That's because the entire basis of cosmology I'd off. Gravity is an effect of electricity and magnetism. No need for dark matter, energy, higgs bosons and all the other BS they come up with. There's a reason why they can't figure it out. They're wrong.
A singularity doesn't exist. Infinity doesn't exist. You can keep squeezing something to basically nothing. Think about it. You can only squeeze something until you have every proton and electron so close together they can't move. Then what.
Singularities just occur when you apply the wrong type to a problem. They are a signal from reality telling you that you can't use this equation to describe this situation. You can't use fluid dynamics to describe a problem involving relativist phenomenon, such as the motions of a liquid at ultra high speed. That's what it means to say that 'the math breaks down.' The assumptions that the equations have built in no longer apply. General relativity is a great mathematical framework for a certain domain of problems, but can't be applied indiscriminately. The existence of singularities means we need a more sophisticated notion of what is going on.
Terrence Howard called it..😂 gravity might not exist as a fundamental force..😮🤯
Now how do you influence a proton to collude with other protons to create temperature?
The macro to micro concept lens?
I like the description of "matter" being "frozen" light. Light being tied to Electromagnetism might be another explanation. Chilling!!!
Light literally is electromagnetism!
Why did I know this a long long time ago. I can’t be the only one.
if quantum is behaving at that level, fractal reality or quarks , either or, then it would be apparent to me that the mystery still be unsolved. Rather more fundamentally I would say its not only a consequence, like water, rather a principle that gravity is still a possibility that energy can come together to create gravity as a structured energy or wave rather than gravity as a consequence of the whole of reality.
Is it a source or a consequence? I couldnt imagine for example gravity being a particle or a wave like neutrons or quarks, however at that level I have to ask absolutely absurd questions that are which not so absurd. If I am to create certain rules.
I have special interest in wondering if gravity is a thing, or a wave rather than a consequence.
Generally spealing, the 10th house follows the 9th, therefore without "structure" there will be no ways to organise materials to manifest weight.
It’s an emergent property created by the incommensurability of the atoms. A magnetic field emerges from commensurate atoms.
So the universe is post-impressionistic! 😊Very beautiful. ❤
I'm a biochemist. Terrance Howard wasn't saying anything that made any sense but people that don't understand the most rudimentary concepts in science think they have the wherewithal to give their 2 cents about how "brilliant" his perspective was.
I'm going to give the science laymen a very easy example. You know your job very well, right? You understand how it functions in your field pretty well, though you may not know everything about it. Imagine a person comes in and starts talking crazy about it in ways you know are incorrect, however, because the local population doesn't understand much of anything about your job, they think this person is incredible even though you know this person is wrong about the procedures, nomenclature, functionality and explanation of your job. Now you've got to convince people that know nothing about your job that this person saying these crazy things are incorrect... 🥴
Spot on and explains the sad reality... most Americans are math, physics, and science illiterate...
Startalk is a great podcast. Neil and Chuck are always entertaining, but their guest on this episode was amazing.
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Gravity is described as an acceleration, not a force... So how it could be fundamental?
Very small things act differently to much bigger things. Life just depends on your perspective
This is why there must be so much space in space, otherwise it would collapse
My answer is gravity is magnetic polarity
Even my Dog understands Gravity
ball goes up ball goes down
She didn't say it doesn't exist. She said it is emergent as opposed to fundamental. It makes sense scientifically, in the mean time don't worry, you're not going to float away.
Go ask your dog to calculate the inner curvature of a black hole if he understands gravity that well 😂
@@askani21 Dog say light is like tail and black hole is like mouth. No matter how much tail try to get away, it eventually gets eaten!
Thank you Terrence Howard
So, what, there's a force that is pushing or pulling on space itself, and that then causes some sort of pressure resulting in gravity?
The 'mystery' of gravity is something most will find difficult to believe
and what did Terence Howard trying to say us ,.... but they called him mad
Love seeing deep science and Jana Levin being showcased but at 3:43 why wouldn’t you show the dots
Lollll Terrance has clearly shaken up the scientific community
In short, the laws of physics change at the smallest scales. This isn't a revelation more of a potential framework for thinking
They don't when you understand that the universe is electric.
She's not saying gravity is not real. It's like saying nothing is cold, it's just the absence of warmth.
So all 4 fundamental forces are actually all emergent properties then?
Good point. Could very well be! I applaud to the idea!
She said this a week before Terrance said what he said. Im not saying he saw her Interview but it is weird that he was speaking on no gravity as well.
This a very old idea, set up by Ted Jacobson in 1995. His set up of gravity as emergent is a very well known research topic in physics.
yea Neil's underwear was spoiled after that comment from Janna
So if we can disrupt the field or process of it's interaction with itself then we can manipulate it at will and discover ftl travel
There is some kind of network for communication going on that we can’t sense. Living cells do the same.
The 'rationalizations' make a lot of sense. Would this imply there is no photon "force carrier" for gravity? If so, why would gravity waves 'appear' to travel "at the speed of light"? Coincidence?
The leading edge idea that blows my mind is that quantum entanglements are the threads that make up the fabric of spacetime.
Terrance Howard has said the same.
“I killed gravity Mayne “
I have literally always said that gravity isn't its own thing. It's a combination of gyroscopic procession and mass and the directions that we are spinning against the magnetic current, which is holding us down.
You have the magnetic current from the Sun holding us down on the Earth. You have the magnetic current from the Earth, holding us down in the Earth from the Solar System and from the Galaxy and so on. And this combination of electromagnetism and gyroscopic prosession, along with atmosphere, creates gravity. That's why when you go to venus it's not gravity that crushes you it's atmospheric pressure that crushes you
Highly recommend anyone who's interested to go watch the quantum gravity episode and other quantum episodes from PBS Space Time
Terrence Howard really about to break the internet
No he not this is different from what he was saying.
1x1 is 1 x (one number of times). If mangos cost 1 dollar each and I buy 1 what is the total?
@@kitjones6896 Gravity
Besides the Walter Russell stuff he's quoting from Secret of Light, he's a kook. Look up his Wikipedia.
@@sireel using Wikipedia is like using CNN. Good lucking finding anything other than what you're being told.
That's the same concept Terrence Howard was explaining, yet people in the science community called him crazy.
The quantum interactions manifest in what we call gravity
Gravity might not exist as a fundamental force
But are those interactions based on entanglement or wave? If it is entanglement, then what is the mechanism of interaction that causes attraction? If it is wave, what sort of wave functions are created by fundamental particle mass and how do they attract through interaction?
Always said this...its like a bowl of minestrome soup.
What people think gravity is on earth is just weight against external atmosphere.
In space more magnetism and energy/heat deflection.
curved spacetime is due to vibrational shockwaves from star activity compressing around solid objects and pushes downward on atoms and by downward i mean pushing towards the middle of the solid object
I just wanna copy and paste this link to this video on everything Terrance Howard is on inside the RUclips world lol
Gravity is love, and love is gravity....
If you want to think about it a certain way, gravity is a collective van der Waals force, as opposed to an individual van der Waals force.
Quanta of van der Waals forces, if you will, although renaming "gravity" to "distributed van der Waals force" isn't as etymologically satisfying.
Yay for having her on.
I hypothesized this after learning basic college chemistry. It's a wonder to me how this is even a debate anymore. You think someone would have proved it with mathematics.
A vast accumulation of charged particles should then result in forces similar to gravity. Same way intermolecular forces work.
Neil deGrasse Tyson and Chuck Nice on StarTalk doing so much for creativity, and opening up the dialog in fascinating ways, also mention having super guests!
Time is emergent. Gravity is emergent.
The Higgs Field is the atmosphere of Space.
Galaxies and their stellar bodies are turbulently swirling, moving through this atmosphere of space at several million miles per hour.
There is turbulent disruption of the Higgs Field, with vast compression increasing around all massive bodies. This is the dynamic reality of the universe. "Curved Space" is a photographic snapshot of the compressing of Higgs Field, frozen in time, just as a photo of an ocean wave looks like a solid ramp. But no curvature.
The Higgs Field is forced into each body, interacting (colliding) with the quantum fields of the stellar objects, pushing them toward the center of mass (but the mass of objects resist each other, giving the "gravity" appearance).
Only light waves seem not to collide with the Higgs Field, but it does curve as it passes through the collapsing density of the Higgs Field around massive objects.
No gravity.
No curved space/time.
All material motion is from collision, of matter, of fields, etc.
not sure why his mind is blown by this information. This makes a lot of sense, especially how Dr. Levin explains it, but it's something that has been talked about for a long time.
This is actually going to be a prevailing paradigm for the explanation of reality. The analogy she gives of a pointillism painting is exactly how the hologram of our 3D reality works. At a micro level, nothing actually exists and there is no meaning. But at a macro level, it’s all there to make meaning from in our consciousness.
Time also not fundamental, depends on scale and distance. Perhaps this is also a quantum additive emergent property.
Well, we knew this from a long time ago, didn't we? that the every-day laws of physics that we're all familiar with don't actually work the same way or at all at the quantum level.
Though now that she has worded it this way, it does make a lot of sense.
Right after the episode on jre is crazy to me lol.