I too was always puzzled about copper solder not being copper colored; my teacher always said just use silver. Recently I was making a couple of items in brass, and I questioned this once again (this time in Brass) with my supplier. To my surprise he sold me a solder paste that actually had a bit of gold in it to blend with Brass. Worked Great!! Now if we could find the same in copper we’d be set. Thanks so much for this.. sometimes the most insignificant things - have more to say then we realize. Keep them coming!!!!
copper is a pita to solder, lots of general heat but general heat makes it oxidize. and no amount of preflux is going to stop it. the best solution I personally have found: instead of using thick wire or pallions roll your solder flat, and pinch it like you would a platinum fusing. very pasty borax and flux liberally.. the heat from the metal must make the solder flow not the flame from your torch.
Copper is not a nasty dirty metal. It can get dirty like any other metal. Copper is safe and beneficial to humans. Plumbers do not use lead solder for plumbing lol. That would poison people. Copper is safe and beneficial to humans.
hi, Chris, I don't know who taught you to use a file but before I started jewellery I did engineering and had my own trailer business but you don't need new files but you do need a file brush because the way your using it would clog it up a file only cuts one way and that is pushing it away from your self and when you pull it back you need to lift it so it doesn't clog up with small filling pieces plus you will find you do the job a lot faster. i do think you are brilliant but don't worry about people moaning your always get them thanks glenn
@@jakeasinjake3347 but if it touching metal on the way back you are still likely to pick up a few fillings and when you push forward is when they go deep and clog the file I must admit you won't pick up so many but I was thought to get a square piece of metalmark a line around then put in a vice and with a black permanent marker couler the top and file it down to line once you've started filing just mark high areas only and I can file straight
Been looking at giving jewelry making a go and of all the cuff bracelets I honestly think copper looks amazing. Yes silver sells better but I just don't think it looks as nice as copper. Maybe the fact copper is a very cheap material puts people off but when done correctly copper looks absolutely amazing especially when it has a very bright shine finish.
Hej good video. Even silversmiths and goldsmiths started out using copper. I love copper i make alot of jewlery with copper, bone, antler etc but i want to try to solder copper. I want to know should i buy some silver solder or copper solder to use ? Also what are those fine saw blades called as i cant find them anywhere. Thanx
I usually use copper brazing and not solder. It still looks about the same but the join is much stronger. The reason why copper solder or braze give a silver color is bcos of the zinc.
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I have a copper brazing solder and its Cu + P solder. Can be used without flux (because of Phosphor content). I think It has about of 6 - 10% content of phosphor.
Agree with a number of others here: it looks like a sliver brazing alloy, especially since it was (as you noted when you clipped it) quite hard. A common brand in North America would be SilPhos. Silver phosphorus alloy available in various proportions of alloying elements. Most of the stuff I see in industrial applications around machinery and HVAC is SilPhos-45 or -55, ie 45% or 55% silver.
If you do it right, you don't need any solder or brazing rods with copper. In metal fabrication (high-school) we brazed two copper sheets together just by melting a copper puddle on the join and pushing it up the length of the join.
Is the copper solder any different than say regular piece of copper wire the same gauge? I am completely new to using a torch but I went to go melt the tips of a copper bracelet I made with some very thin (maybe 26 gauge copper wire) and not much happened the copper pretty much stayed in tack. What exactly does the flux do?
that is phospher bronze brazing rod you just used..... yes it is much stronger than copper itself but will leave a silvering finish yes, a good joint and you dont see it at all though.... made many a celtic weave ring with it but need to be careful as it can flow like crazy and ruinn work pieces.... The good thing about the brazing rods for copper is they fill gaps very well.....
Did you actually mean "tension" when you were referring to the tweezers holding the ring? In my mind most of the force would be compression with maybe a small about of angular force translating to a bit of tension towards the top of the joint?
If you are making a peace that you intend to make a mold of then copper workes fine. Looks like you are using 40% silver brazing wire. 10:27 Supervisor is always looking over your shoulder.
Wow the noise from the insects at the start was wild! Lol thanks Chris for sharing as always Edit.. Ps (plumbers) they use lead solder when solder copper so maybe that's what u got mixed up with or heard.. I did this with my very first ever ring i made an used industrial solder, then I got thenreal stuff months after when I got the bug an never looked bk☺️
@@diamondmounterbites8861 made a few copper and bronze rings now and find when I quench them hot it out is the chemical structure ie showing the solder mark more clearly. Great video thanks..
@@joyceeberner Hello. That makes no sense when I read it back, I’ve made a few copper and bronze rings now. When you solder bronze/copper then quench in cold water the the metal changes the chemical structure, thus changing the colour of the metal and making the solder joint stick out more. All ways cool naturally I never quench. Hope these make more sense. Nik
@@DiamondMounter back in the 70s' I took two mono phonographs, often Danset record players ripped the simple electronics out of one, mounted it in the other four wires from the pick-up, two to each, mount the board and speaker and you had stereo sound. Very cheap to do, a fiver for the second Danset and you were done. Steve...
I made a chess set once, one side in silver and the other in copper. I had the silver side rhodium plated and the copper side rose gold plated (to stop the pieces tarnishing) I wished I had made both sides in silver. The copper side was a killer to work on. Many bad solders needed re-doing and it was so hard to clean it up at the end. I just used silver solder too.
Copper is an awesome metal to work with.
I like copper. It’s a pretty color, and the various oxidation patterns are lovely. Glad to see you post this one.
Thanks for using copper. more videos using copper please for beginners, please.
SO glad you're talking again! Great video!
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I too was always puzzled about copper solder not being copper colored; my teacher always said just use silver. Recently I was making a couple of items in brass, and I questioned this once again (this time in Brass) with my supplier. To my surprise he sold me a solder paste that actually had a bit of gold in it to blend with Brass. Worked Great!! Now if we could find the same in copper we’d be set. Thanks so much for this.. sometimes the most insignificant things - have more to say then we realize. Keep them coming!!!!
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copper is a pita to solder, lots of general heat but general heat makes it oxidize. and no amount of preflux is going to stop it. the best solution I personally have found: instead of using thick wire or pallions roll your solder flat, and pinch it like you would a platinum fusing. very pasty borax and flux liberally.. the heat from the metal must make the solder flow not the flame from your torch.
I work 90% in copper. I make exquisite jewelry using copper. I say try it.
Copper is not a nasty dirty metal. It can get dirty like any other metal. Copper is safe and beneficial to humans. Plumbers do not use lead solder for plumbing lol. That would poison people. Copper is safe and beneficial to humans.
How fun was this! Thank you!!
Love this video!!!
hi, Chris, I don't know who taught you to use a file but before I started jewellery I did engineering and had my own trailer business but you don't need new files but you do need a file brush because the way your using it would clog it up a file only cuts one way and that is pushing it away from your self and when you pull it back you need to lift it so it doesn't clog up with small filling pieces plus you will find you do the job a lot faster. i do think you are brilliant but don't worry about people moaning your always get them thanks glenn
If you lift the file though you won’t file as straight and true. Just don’t put that much pressure on the back stroke.
@@jakeasinjake3347 but if it touching metal on the way back you are still likely to pick up a few fillings and when you push forward is when they go deep and clog the file I must admit you won't pick up so many but I was thought to get a square piece of metalmark a line around then put in a vice and with a black permanent marker couler the top and file it down to line once you've started filing just mark high areas only and I can file straight
Been looking at giving jewelry making a go and of all the cuff bracelets I honestly think copper looks amazing. Yes silver sells better but I just don't think it looks as nice as copper. Maybe the fact copper is a very cheap material puts people off but when done correctly copper looks absolutely amazing especially when it has a very bright shine finish.
Hej good video. Even silversmiths and goldsmiths started out using copper. I love copper i make alot of jewlery with copper, bone, antler etc but i want to try to solder copper. I want to know should i buy some silver solder or copper solder to use ? Also what are those fine saw blades called as i cant find them anywhere. Thanx
Dip it in the pick with Stainless steel touching the solder joint for about 20 seconds & it will plate the solder into copper
I usually use copper brazing and not solder. It still looks about the same but the join is much stronger. The reason why copper solder or braze give a silver color is bcos of the zinc.
I have a copper brazing solder and its Cu + P solder. Can be used without flux (because of Phosphor content). I think It has about of 6 - 10% content of phosphor.
Does the color match copper after soldered? Could you share the brand, please? Thanks
Agree with a number of others here: it looks like a sliver brazing alloy, especially since it was (as you noted when you clipped it) quite hard. A common brand in North America would be SilPhos. Silver phosphorus alloy available in various proportions of alloying elements. Most of the stuff I see in industrial applications around machinery and HVAC is SilPhos-45 or -55, ie 45% or 55% silver.
If you do it right, you don't need any solder or brazing rods with copper. In metal fabrication (high-school) we brazed two copper sheets together just by melting a copper puddle on the join and pushing it up the length of the join.
How do you mean? I’m nearly at playing. Please help!!!
thats called welding.
❤thank you for this video.
what do you use for soldering?? copper 3%??
Your laugh is awsome
Are you still up and running after 3 yrs
Is the copper solder any different than say regular piece of copper wire the same gauge? I am completely new to using a torch but I went to go melt the tips of a copper bracelet I made with some very thin (maybe 26 gauge copper wire) and not much happened the copper pretty much stayed in tack. What exactly does the flux do?
Flux stops the oxidisation and keeps the join clean and the solder will have a lower melting temperature than the metal
10:27 Supervisor is always looking over your shoulder.
I read somewhere it gets copper colored when slightly reheated after soldering…
that is phospher bronze brazing rod you just used..... yes it is much stronger than copper itself but will leave a silvering finish yes, a good joint and you dont see it at all though.... made many a celtic weave ring with it but need to be careful as it can flow like crazy and ruinn work pieces....
The good thing about the brazing rods for copper is they fill gaps very well.....
Did you actually mean "tension" when you were referring to the tweezers holding the ring? In my mind most of the force would be compression with maybe a small about of angular force translating to a bit of tension towards the top of the joint?
If you are making a peace that you intend to make a mold of then copper workes fine. Looks like you are using 40% silver brazing wire. 10:27 Supervisor is always looking over your shoulder.
Wow the noise from the insects at the start was wild! Lol thanks Chris for sharing as always
Edit.. Ps (plumbers) they use lead solder when solder copper so maybe that's what u got mixed up with or heard.. I did this with my very first ever ring i made an used industrial solder, then I got thenreal stuff months after when I got the bug an never looked bk☺️
What is the real stuff you use?
Thanks for uploading this video I enjoyed it I’m a big fan. May I ask a question did you quench the copper Ring while it was still hot ??
No I dont like quenching anything while its hot
@@diamondmounterbites8861 made a few copper and bronze rings now and find when I quench them hot it out is the chemical structure ie showing the solder mark more clearly. Great video thanks..
@@nickringastan7838 please re explain.. I didn’t get what you meant🤔
@@joyceeberner Hello. That makes no sense when I read it back, I’ve made a few copper and bronze rings now. When you solder bronze/copper then quench in cold water the the metal changes the chemical structure, thus changing the colour of the metal and making the solder joint stick out more. All ways cool naturally I never quench. Hope these make more sense. Nik
As a pipe welder the parent metal will always be weaker than the weld. The heat tempers the metal making it stronger.
Looks like its a copper phosphorus solder. Im just interested in something thats much in colour.
I join with silver but it don't look invisible
Yes silver works well on copper and brass
How to make copper solder?
I dont know!
@@diamondmounterbites8861 i have a jweller frnd who knows about copper solder... I will let you know
What you've got looks like silver solder. I've soldered copper all my working life as an electrician always a white solder. Steve...
I enjoy a bit of electronic work. As a hobby I used to make portable stereos.
@@DiamondMounter back in the 70s' I took two mono phonographs, often Danset record players ripped the simple electronics out of one, mounted it in the other four wires from the pick-up, two to each, mount the board and speaker and you had stereo sound. Very cheap to do, a fiver for the second Danset and you were done. Steve...
I made a chess set once, one side in silver and the other in copper. I had the silver side rhodium plated and the copper side rose gold plated (to stop the pieces tarnishing)
I wished I had made both sides in silver. The copper side was a killer to work on. Many bad solders needed re-doing and it was so hard to clean it up at the end. I just used silver solder too.
The guy was talking on soldering copper so lets stick to the subject
its difficulty to attain copper solder
nice.
just FYI, there are a LOT of brazing alloys...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_brazing_alloys
transformed a ring into a pygmy crown :D
Silence was not golden Chris ;)
Sorry. Not impressed. Im new and I've seen much better. Good luck learning.
Are you for real?
You CLEARLY have no idea about the context of this video (or this channel). You made yourself sound ignorant with that comment.
You butcher the English language with your non pronunciation of the letter "T". Apart from that, I love your videos, thank you :)
Bore off!