I love the story you picked, even though I already know this story, it taught me so much vocabulary and continues the learning metaphor of the previous video. last one with enough time you can be fluent and this one being if you don't distract yourself you can be fluent faster soweli tawa li sona pi tenpo lili ala e toki pona. taso, akesi kiwen li sona pi tenpo lili e toki pona. mi pona tawa mi e akesi kiwen.
I don't think I've ever applied this story to today's world, even though it makes so much sense. Those who work slowly without distractions (even like social media) can reach their goal so much faster. Thank you for the series! I watched the first video 2 times because I missed a couple days, and now after this one I can actually predict some words already in some context. Awesome experiment!
Thank you for making this series! I started learning toki pona recently to pass idle time at work, and these videos are very helpful. I wish these kinds of resources were freely available in more languages. I want to complete the 30 day challenge! mi ken kute pona e sitelen tawa. sina jan sona pona. pona tawa sina!
Welcome everyone! Before you watch this video, please watch the Start Here orientation video: ruclips.net/video/vwpAN0tNHYY/видео.html. If you're at zero in Toki Pona and you're using these videos to learn, I really want to hear from you! Please comment below. Ask whatever you want in the comments about the story or this method, but please don't talk about specific words or grammar rules. This is a subconscious acquisition experiment, so those would be "spoilers." For that kind of thing, please come to the watch party in Discord discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1063173775601975378 For more information about this course, check out my Reddit post: bit.ly/opetp-reddit
jan Telakoman li muta wawa I started today with a little reading and these first two videos, and your hard work is giving me the thrill of learning like few others. Great job on the teaching style - you broadcast the story by your expressions and sounds and gestures super well. Thanks a ton!
Both my son and I watched together again today. We definitely understood all of the story. Still requires energy to focus whenever what you are saying is not directly being tied to a visual, and I noticed moments of drifting attention at those points. I will reserve judgement on the necessity/inevitability of that until the end though. This is one of the things I believe ALG can improve on, but I am not sure to what extent it is necessary or inevitable yet as I have not had first hand experience learning a language from the start with ALG. That's one of the insights I am hoping to walk away with.
I see we're on a similar wavelength. I'm trying to do the same experiment on myself with Russian, in fact. I'm up to 40 hours and it's already having an effect. I have a hunch that weaning ourselves off the anxiety that comes with being unable to make sense of words in the moment might actually be a good thing. Studies in statistical language learning show that deep down our brains are searching through vast amounts of data for patterns, and the so-called "din in the head" seems to be a sign that the data is still being turned over long after we've forgotten the experience on a conscious level.
Firstly, I agree that the attitude you describe is counterproductive. We need to have respect for people's doubts. The problem, as I see it, is to convince people that their subconscious can work things out for them that they aren't consciously aware of. This is the premise of ALG, and indeed, the Input Hypothesis. The trick is to reassure Mr Conscious that he can relax, take a backseat, and Mr Subconscious will do his thing in time. Even if Mr Conscious can be swayed by the research, when push comes to shove it's a leap of faith to sit through the dozens of hours it takes to have a noticeable effect. And even when Mr Conscious has heard of comprehensible input, he often confuses it with transparent input. He gets restless when he can't work out what specific words or sentences are doing. But comprehensible input is about understanding the message. If you understand the story enough to work out what its message is, you've comprehended the input. That's enough. "Really? My subconscious can work with that?" Yes Mr Conscious, it can. But I can see that I'm not going to convince you until I show you for yourself. You're right that most of the comments are from tokiponists. But if you keep going, you'll see I do have a small number of punters who are taking my 30-day challenge. Another 10 days or so when the remaining videos are released I'm sure I'll have at least a few who will join me on a Zoom call, which I will put on RUclips and maybe also turn into a podcast. This may convince a second cohort to take the challenge. Within 6 months, I should have a good 20 episodes of people having a basic conversation with me in Toki Pona. That's the idea, anyway...
@@jantelakoman I definitely hope this can help convince people and spread the word. I still have a gut feeling that optimizing comprehensibility and compellingness in the crucial/critical initial stage is essential for a real popularization of the method. Even with the current typical ALG material out there, there is definitely leveling, which is what makes ALG so much better (both more enjoyable and more practical) than raw mass immersion. All I am saying is, more attention needs to be given to finer leveling, especially at the front end in order to lower the barrier for more people to be able to get through the initial step. That is not to say that it won't work if people do it. That is not what I am saying. When I make this argument with ALG teachers, they tend to respond by focusing on the fact that it will work if people will just do it---and some teachers are really blunt, thinking students should just soldier through 30% or 50% comprehensibility because they will learn anyway. I know it will work if people do it... the question is, will people do it? So far without real attention to optimizing the front end and taking subjective experience into consideration, I have found only those who are real believers in the method can sit through the first few hours... but anyone who can do that tends to stick with it. Those first few hours are so crucial it cannot be overstated. Keep in mind, again, I am not talking about changing anything in the method itself, simply placing greater attention and emphasis on the leveling at the very beginning.
For sure, if I could do this all again, I would start with shorter, simpler, more "practical" stories that are easier to make comprehensible with visual clues. I still hope that this course can be good enough to make a contribution.
@@jantelakoman I can see you put an incredible amount of effort into it, and it is really well done. I also hope this will help. It is definitely a great step in the right direction... I hope to be speaking toki pona with you soon :)
This series is great! I've been studying Toki Pona for a week. I got the Oz book and have been trying to read it out loud. The sitelen pona is pretty easy, but I'm struggling with the spoken language. This helps so much. It reminds me of the way I was taughr conversational Spanish in junior high, fifty years ago. Hearing sentences, getting the story, and then thinking about the words. I had a stroke nine years ago, and while I had an amazing recovery, I still struugle a bit with language. So the fact that I'm actually learning a new language blows me away. My adult son and I are working on it together. I'm so glad I found this series.
My comprehension summary of the story for the second day: • A hare boasts about being faster than a turtle. • The turtle says "Yeah, maybe that's possible, but maybe I could also be faster than you" • The hare laughs at the comment and they agree to have a race to see if that's true or not. • The hare gets to the middle of the course and looks back: the turtle is way behind, as expected. • (I'm not sure if the reason is stated) the hare decides to relax/wait by playing with it's mobile phone before finishing the race. • At some point, the hare realizes the turtle has passed it while distracted, but pays no heed to this because it considers it'll be easy to catch up and pass the turtle anyways. • When the hare realizes the turtle is about to win the race, it tries running at full speed, but it's too late. The turtle has won the race. • The hare feels sad, but recognizes the turtle was right and says that in the future it will try to listen to what the turtle has to say.
Hi dear Jan Telakoman, I was wondering whether the pictures of the stories you used were available anywhere for download? Or would you make them available?
I still have them, I'd be happy to share them. You can contact me through Discord (my username there is the same as here) or email me using the address that's at the end of each video
sitelen tawa ni li pona. mi toki insa e ni: mi kama sona e toki pona kepeken tenpo lili. taso, mi sama ala e soweli tawa. mi wile kute, mi wile kepeken wawa.
sina toki e tenpo la sina kepeken sitelen pi ilo tenpo · ni li pona tawa mi ko lili li lon anpa la mi ken lukin lon e kon pi tenpo lili · sama la mi ken lukin lon e kon pi tenpo mute a
1:23 lon la toki ni li pakala · taso ona li pakala lili taso · 5:05 kon ni pi nimi ‹nasa› li tan pu · taso kon ni li kama weka tan ike ona · ona li lili e jan pi ken lili · 7:05 pu la ‹anu› li ken ala lon open · taso mi la ona li ken ni · ona li ken e toki sama toki ni sina · ni li pona · 8:43 ‹li kama tawa lon ni› · kon ni li ante lili · soweli ‹li kama (tawa lon ni)› · ona li lon ni li tawa · ona li kama ni · ni li kon ante · ni la o toki e ‹li kama tawa ma ni› anu ‹li kama lon ni› · 15:14 may the curse of kPapyrus be with you 17:52 jan Tepano li seme ·
mi lukin pana e kon kepeken nasin musi tawa jan lili. jan lili li lukin e sijelo mi e pali mi lon tenpo ni la jan lili li toki e ni: "jan ni li nasa a!" mi sona ala e ni: mi ken pana pona e kon pi nimi "nasa" kepeken nasin ante seme?
@@jantelakoman mi sona e ni: sina pana e sitelen tawa ni lon tenpo suno pini luka luka tu. taso, mi wile pana e sona mi pi nimi nasa lon la mi pilin e ni: nimi "nasa" li ken lon. taso, tenpo ala la sina ken kepeken ona tawa jan ante. telo a li ken nasa. namako la nimi "usawi" a li ken "wawa nasa" kepeken nasin pu taso. kin la kasi nasa a en kili nasa a pi kasi ala ("soko nasa") li ken lon ni taso li ike: jan li toki e ni: kon pi nimi "nasa" li sama nimi "crazy" lon toki Inli (English) sin la jan ale li ken a toki e ona. taso, ona li toki utala tawa jan pi ken ala li nimi pi kon ike la sina o weka e ona lon toki sina sitelen tawa la sina ken kepeken nimi "musi" lon tenpo pini. taso, ni li pona. lukin la sina toki e ona tan ni: sina sona ala e sona ale pi nimi ni pini la mi wile toki e ni: kulupu pi sitelen tawa sina li musi a tawa mi o awen pona pona tawa sina a! ❤️❤️❤️
pona tawa sina tan ni: sina toki e pilin sina tawa mi kepeken tenpo suli. jan pi ken ala o pilin ala e ni: jan Telakoman la jan pi ken ala li ike anu lili anu suli ala.
I love the story you picked, even though I already know this story, it taught me so much vocabulary and continues the learning metaphor of the previous video. last one with enough time you can be fluent and this one being if you don't distract yourself you can be fluent faster
soweli tawa li sona pi tenpo lili ala e toki pona. taso, akesi kiwen li sona pi tenpo lili e toki pona. mi pona tawa mi e akesi kiwen.
I don't think I've ever applied this story to today's world, even though it makes so much sense. Those who work slowly without distractions (even like social media) can reach their goal so much faster.
Thank you for the series! I watched the first video 2 times because I missed a couple days, and now after this one I can actually predict some words already in some context. Awesome experiment!
So the story is, akesi kiwen became number one at the end. This feels like a switch going off in my brain! Thank you for these videos.
Definetly should have tried the videos before its so lovely done ❤
Thank you for making this series! I started learning toki pona recently to pass idle time at work, and these videos are very helpful. I wish these kinds of resources were freely available in more languages. I want to complete the 30 day challenge!
mi ken kute pona e sitelen tawa. sina jan sona pona. pona tawa sina!
Welcome everyone! Before you watch this video, please watch the Start Here orientation video: ruclips.net/video/vwpAN0tNHYY/видео.html.
If you're at zero in Toki Pona and you're using these videos to learn, I really want to hear from you! Please comment below.
Ask whatever you want in the comments about the story or this method, but please don't talk about specific words or grammar rules. This is a subconscious acquisition experiment, so those would be "spoilers." For that kind of thing, please come to the watch party in Discord discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1063173775601975378
For more information about this course, check out my Reddit post: bit.ly/opetp-reddit
jan Telakoman li muta wawa
I started today with a little reading and these first two videos, and your hard work is giving me the thrill of learning like few others. Great job on the teaching style - you broadcast the story by your expressions and sounds and gestures super well. Thanks a ton!
ni li pona! pona tawa sina
haha, 6:10 mi wile moli e sina! Even a death threat sounds cute in toki pona.
turtle supremacy
sitelen sina ale li lon lipu Jutupu, la we should have an award for the best mu that you made. i nominate 11:10
Lol they will be in 28 days
Both my son and I watched together again today. We definitely understood all of the story.
Still requires energy to focus whenever what you are saying is not directly being tied to a visual, and I noticed moments of drifting attention at those points. I will reserve judgement on the necessity/inevitability of that until the end though. This is one of the things I believe ALG can improve on, but I am not sure to what extent it is necessary or inevitable yet as I have not had first hand experience learning a language from the start with ALG. That's one of the insights I am hoping to walk away with.
I see we're on a similar wavelength. I'm trying to do the same experiment on myself with Russian, in fact. I'm up to 40 hours and it's already having an effect.
I have a hunch that weaning ourselves off the anxiety that comes with being unable to make sense of words in the moment might actually be a good thing. Studies in statistical language learning show that deep down our brains are searching through vast amounts of data for patterns, and the so-called "din in the head" seems to be a sign that the data is still being turned over long after we've forgotten the experience on a conscious level.
Firstly, I agree that the attitude you describe is counterproductive. We need to have respect for people's doubts.
The problem, as I see it, is to convince people that their subconscious can work things out for them that they aren't consciously aware of. This is the premise of ALG, and indeed, the Input Hypothesis. The trick is to reassure Mr Conscious that he can relax, take a backseat, and Mr Subconscious will do his thing in time.
Even if Mr Conscious can be swayed by the research, when push comes to shove it's a leap of faith to sit through the dozens of hours it takes to have a noticeable effect.
And even when Mr Conscious has heard of comprehensible input, he often confuses it with transparent input. He gets restless when he can't work out what specific words or sentences are doing. But comprehensible input is about understanding the message. If you understand the story enough to work out what its message is, you've comprehended the input. That's enough.
"Really? My subconscious can work with that?" Yes Mr Conscious, it can. But I can see that I'm not going to convince you until I show you for yourself.
You're right that most of the comments are from tokiponists. But if you keep going, you'll see I do have a small number of punters who are taking my 30-day challenge. Another 10 days or so when the remaining videos are released I'm sure I'll have at least a few who will join me on a Zoom call, which I will put on RUclips and maybe also turn into a podcast.
This may convince a second cohort to take the challenge. Within 6 months, I should have a good 20 episodes of people having a basic conversation with me in Toki Pona.
That's the idea, anyway...
@@jantelakoman I definitely hope this can help convince people and spread the word. I still have a gut feeling that optimizing comprehensibility and compellingness in the crucial/critical initial stage is essential for a real popularization of the method.
Even with the current typical ALG material out there, there is definitely leveling, which is what makes ALG so much better (both more enjoyable and more practical) than raw mass immersion. All I am saying is, more attention needs to be given to finer leveling, especially at the front end in order to lower the barrier for more people to be able to get through the initial step.
That is not to say that it won't work if people do it. That is not what I am saying. When I make this argument with ALG teachers, they tend to respond by focusing on the fact that it will work if people will just do it---and some teachers are really blunt, thinking students should just soldier through 30% or 50% comprehensibility because they will learn anyway. I know it will work if people do it... the question is, will people do it? So far without real attention to optimizing the front end and taking subjective experience into consideration, I have found only those who are real believers in the method can sit through the first few hours... but anyone who can do that tends to stick with it. Those first few hours are so crucial it cannot be overstated. Keep in mind, again, I am not talking about changing anything in the method itself, simply placing greater attention and emphasis on the leveling at the very beginning.
For sure, if I could do this all again, I would start with shorter, simpler, more "practical" stories that are easier to make comprehensible with visual clues. I still hope that this course can be good enough to make a contribution.
@@jantelakoman I can see you put an incredible amount of effort into it, and it is really well done. I also hope this will help. It is definitely a great step in the right direction... I hope to be speaking toki pona with you soon :)
This series is great! I've been studying Toki Pona for a week. I got the Oz book and have been trying to read it out loud. The sitelen pona is pretty easy, but I'm struggling with the spoken language. This helps so much. It reminds me of the way I was taughr conversational Spanish in junior high, fifty years ago. Hearing sentences, getting the story, and then thinking about the words.
I had a stroke nine years ago, and while I had an amazing recovery, I still struugle a bit with language. So the fact that I'm actually learning a new language blows me away. My adult son and I are working on it together. I'm so glad I found this series.
Thank you so much for sharing your story, I'm glad
What is the Oz book?
Sonja Lang's new Wizard of Oz book
My comprehension summary of the story for the second day:
• A hare boasts about being faster than a turtle.
• The turtle says "Yeah, maybe that's possible, but maybe I could also be faster than you"
• The hare laughs at the comment and they agree to have a race to see if that's true or not.
• The hare gets to the middle of the course and looks back: the turtle is way behind, as expected.
• (I'm not sure if the reason is stated) the hare decides to relax/wait by playing with it's mobile phone before finishing the race.
• At some point, the hare realizes the turtle has passed it while distracted, but pays no heed to this because it considers it'll be easy to catch up and pass the turtle anyways.
• When the hare realizes the turtle is about to win the race, it tries running at full speed, but it's too late. The turtle has won the race.
• The hare feels sad, but recognizes the turtle was right and says that in the future it will try to listen to what the turtle has to say.
Yup, pretty famous story from "Les fables de la fontaine", french short stories with a moral at the end. Every children know them pretty much by heart
I already know this story as many do, but i really enjoyed just watching and I managed to comprehend a bit even without knowing half the words :)
pona tawa sina tan ni!
mi pilin pona with this.
Understood 90%
sitalen tawa sina li pona tawa mi
a👏ke👏si ki👏wen👏
Your expressions are very pona
2 stories and i can hear 17 words already.
Hi dear Jan Telakoman, I was wondering whether the pictures of the stories you used were available anywhere for download? Or would you make them available?
I still have them, I'd be happy to share them. You can contact me through Discord (my username there is the same as here) or email me using the address that's at the end of each video
sitelen tawa ni li pona. mi toki insa e ni: mi kama sona e toki pona kepeken tenpo lili. taso, mi sama ala e soweli tawa. mi wile kute, mi wile kepeken wawa.
jan Telakoman o! mi pona. pona mute tawa sina tan kulupu pi sitelen tawa ni. mi olin e ona.
10:23 sitelen soweli li suwi a
jan Tepano li sitelen e ni. ona li sitelen e ijo mute tawa mi lon sitelen tawa open luka wan
sina toki e tenpo la sina kepeken sitelen pi ilo tenpo · ni li pona tawa mi
ko lili li lon anpa la mi ken lukin lon e kon pi tenpo lili · sama la mi ken lukin lon e kon pi tenpo mute a
sitelen li suwi a
pona mute!
musi mute a a a
1:23 lon la toki ni li pakala · taso ona li pakala lili taso ·
5:05 kon ni pi nimi ‹nasa› li tan pu · taso kon ni li kama weka tan ike ona · ona li lili e jan pi ken lili ·
7:05 pu la ‹anu› li ken ala lon open · taso mi la ona li ken ni · ona li ken e toki sama toki ni sina · ni li pona ·
8:43 ‹li kama tawa lon ni› · kon ni li ante lili · soweli ‹li kama (tawa lon ni)› · ona li lon ni li tawa · ona li kama ni · ni li kon ante · ni la o toki e ‹li kama tawa ma ni› anu ‹li kama lon ni› ·
15:14 may the curse of kPapyrus be with you
17:52 jan Tepano li seme ·
a, ken la nimi "nasa" ni tan jan Telakoman li ante li kon ike ni ala. ijo pi ken lon lili lili a li kama lon la ni li ken "nasa" tawa mi.
@@mamusipipalisajelo5419 mi wan kin la ni li lon · taso mi toki e toki mi tan toki sijelo ona tan kalama ona lon tenpo pi nimi ‹nasa› ·
mi lukin pana e kon kepeken nasin musi tawa jan lili. jan lili li lukin e sijelo mi e pali mi lon tenpo ni la jan lili li toki e ni: "jan ni li nasa a!" mi sona ala e ni: mi ken pana pona e kon pi nimi "nasa" kepeken nasin ante seme?
@@jantelakoman mi sona e ni: sina pana e sitelen tawa ni lon tenpo suno pini luka luka tu. taso, mi wile pana e sona mi pi nimi nasa
lon la mi pilin e ni: nimi "nasa" li ken lon. taso, tenpo ala la sina ken kepeken ona tawa jan ante. telo a li ken nasa. namako la nimi "usawi" a li ken "wawa nasa" kepeken nasin pu taso. kin la kasi nasa a en kili nasa a pi kasi ala ("soko nasa") li ken lon
ni taso li ike: jan li toki e ni: kon pi nimi "nasa" li sama nimi "crazy" lon toki Inli (English)
sin la jan ale li ken a toki e ona. taso, ona li toki utala tawa jan pi ken ala li nimi pi kon ike la sina o weka e ona lon toki sina
sitelen tawa la sina ken kepeken nimi "musi" lon tenpo pini. taso, ni li pona. lukin la sina toki e ona tan ni: sina sona ala e sona ale pi nimi ni
pini la mi wile toki e ni: kulupu pi sitelen tawa sina li musi a tawa mi
o awen pona
pona tawa sina a!
❤️❤️❤️
pona tawa sina tan ni: sina toki e pilin sina tawa mi kepeken tenpo suli. jan pi ken ala o pilin ala e ni: jan Telakoman la jan pi ken ala li ike anu lili anu suli ala.