Otsuka once said " I want to improve fast. Points that normally take 20, 25 years to reach, but I wanted to quickly create an environment where the workers can have ambitions." So yeah, while this video might paint him as this "greedy' businessmen, he does seems to have good intention and the progress are indeed showing. I'm not too deep into industry stuff myself, but from the discussion i heard the industry are moving into relying less on freelancer with major companies the likes of Cygames, JOEN & TOHO competing to tie down talented people. And to compete with the big fish MAPPA is doing what they are doing now. I can see signs of this chapter of MAPPA being a necessary sacrifice to someday become something like KyoAni, but we shall see in the future if Otsuka can realize his promises, or he will continue being just greedy businessman and implode one day.
@@mikusupremacy4786bro is literally copy pasting on another comment. No shit, cause no studio can be, it needs a shit ton of money and time and Mappa is much bigger studio and they will expand themselves a lot
@@mikusupremacy4786 The key difference with KyoAni is that they have control over their own production & very loyal animators that they nurture themselves. MAPPA is showing signs of moving towards that by investing more in their own shows, training newbies & contracting talented animators full time. Cmon, KyoAni been around since 85', while this version of MAPPA besically started in 2016 with much different industry climate, i say give them some time.
It’s a shame. With hells paradise. But I can’t say it ruined my enjoyment, it was still a really good show in my opnion. I can only hope season 2 has a better production though
take my word season 2 is when it starts getting hype. its just non stop good stuff. if they can make season 2 even just consistently great not the best but just a pleaser to the eye then i believe they can really reap the full rewards of producing a good animation
@jazzwinningthechip6821 The first episode was probably the only one where I didn't notice any inconsistency. Especially on the character designs on the face, the first most noticeable being Kisho's around episode 3, which I found unfortunate, really.
You forgot to add that they are making Okada movie and Lazarus. Admittedly, both of those projects look amazing and have probably already finished production. It's a shame what's happening in MAPPA, especially since every team has incredible potential
Lazarus is not finished, don't fool yourself. Finished projects without a release date is something that simply doesn't happen, especially in the anime industry
Watanabe project is most likely to consist of people from Bones or at least the team from Caroline Tuesday. BahiJD guarantee to be there, and I heard there's a surprising name that u couldn't think of before 👀.
I expect Otsuka to just assemble another team to separate CSM & JJK. They got money & manpower, pretty sure they could've stole some of currently free AniP in the industry like Ookubo from I.G or even someone from Khara/4C thru Hiramatsu and Otsuka connection idk. I see Otsuka character development from his latest interview 3 weeks ago, hopefully something change.
I'm afraid studio Khara only interested with Mecha show even if they free after Evangelion rebuild ended, also i heard they currently works on monster design of Kaijuu8's Production I.G. As for Studio 4°c they did so well in Berserk memorial last year and probably busy with another sequel/movie. But it's a shame that studio 4°c treat their staff so badly on Children of sea, i hope Otsuka managed to bring them to Mappa.
@@Cocxy69 wym? How was the ending horrible it was a pretty good ending. Leaving good mystery also its not that they aren't putting effort. They have no time
I made quite a big error with the Vinland Saga portion of this video, which I mostly fixed in my video on Vinland Saga's production analysis: ruclips.net/video/ihoCr-L14SM/видео.html
@@runemaster8656 i don't think it's Really for issues. It might be because of Marketing. Cause 3 weeks won't do shit, just a good amount of polish for 1 episode and considering they have to priorities shibuya, and we already have this Quality that is better visually than anything s1 produced. So i have my doubts that the schedule is (that) bad
This aged way too well. The recent interview manabu was in had clinically insane levels of irony. All while jjk's recent ep wit dagon and the coming ep wit toji is happening lmao
It really is a rather annoying situation, and a depressing one above all else. Producers are able to pull together some of the most passionate staff and artists in the anime industry only to see, at most, like 80% of what they're worth. I truly hope that there is some light beyond the tunnel for some of these productions and the loving workers behind them. But in this current predicament it is hard to see that... It's like I'm watching a sinking ship, with people constantly patching it up to keep it above the sea level. From where we are doing something about it is damn near impossible. Even then predicting the path of this studio is unthinkable. I mean even now we suddenly get "Lazarus", a production that has been devised for around 3 Years. It's due for next year, and has artists who already speak of if a lot of it is finished. To go beyond that a there's already talk of a new, and first time, MAPPA x Kadokawa production. Truly one of the most bizarre, unpredictable, shady and confusing Studios to ever exist in Japanese Animation
Tbh just barely got back into anime and hells paradise is is top tier from 5 plus years ago animation used to be highly inconsistent didn’t realize it till I started watching other more modern series
Also if The schedule is that bad for JJK. 3 weeks won't do shit. Maybe just an extra polish for one episode. And there are still many episodes left. It might be a Marketing thing or they would just bruteforce 10 till 12 episodes and just report a delay
they are probably putting a lot of manpower into jjk s2 just so it doesnt completely crumble and they wont wanna delay, since you have to pay for timeslots to actually have the show air on tv and then theres all the marketing stuff that theyve planned for s2. i think thats how it works atleast
I would have never thought that a video about anime production could be entertaining enough for me to watch it twice. I am going through all your videos learning loads. Thank you very much for your work.
As for Lazarus and the "P.A works movie" that's also being produced at MAPPA, the Sushi restaurant analogy works. Two passion projects with no real pressure as far as deadlines are concerned, bringing in fresh staff that's not part of the other big projects to create amazing works from scratch.
It's not really "P.A works movie" if both producers are from MAPPA, DoP MAPPA in-house, Color designer MAPPA in-house, Seimei Kidokoro who worked with them for the last few years, one of AniP is MAPPA in-house etc.
@@luka-uw8ed "PA works movie" as in the animation team of Maquia. Producers and colour designers have very little relevance to this video where I'm specifically talking about MAPPA projects struggling to bring in animation staff. For the movie it's not an issue as most of the 2D staff is coming from a pre-existing project.
u forgot that P.A works also produced movie about Whiskey that going to air this fall. either it's different pipeline or maybe u right it's consist P.A works staff, but we don't know the full credit yet even on the trailer.
About anti aliasing in Jigokuraku. When it's time for clean-up and they do proper line-art, most anime do a lineart on computer with turn off smoothing. After that at compositing stage in After Effects they add OLM smoother (industry standard provided by studio OLM) to smooth the lines. So i agree with your question: How the fuck did they fucked up smoothed lines? It's scares me out, how terrible conditions did they had
This is exactly correct, however, the fact that the dude in the video doesn't know this worries me. As a side note, the reason they do this is cause it makes the coloring phase easier as well, as having lines with aliasing well mess with the edge detection/tolerance of the fill tools. It's also not that hard to imagine how that ended up there, basically, they got rushed and had to put that in the final episode before it could get put into the compositing stage. Personally, I think there are some views n this video that are extremely flawed even if I do agree with the whole idea that Mappa is absolutely exploiting a lot of their staff members.
@@-MankoMan Hey, when it comes to the "flawed views" comment, I am referring to some of your takes like hell's Paradise looking "awful" when in reality it just looked normal (as in the middle of the pack not great not horrible) and this is coming from someone who was actually pretty critical of hell's paradise from the get-go. The part of the aliasing was miss informative and the problem is even if it was just a joke someone might take that and spread it. There are already enough misconceptions about anime production as is. I would also say it'd be best to remain cautious with assumptions regarding animations studios and animators, some of the stuff you said was factual but some were speculative, you probably know more animators and staff by name than I do but I can tell you that some of them don't really enjoy this type of content cause a lot of times we don't really know the ins and outs of what is happening in each project so a lot of what we say may end up feeding the wrong ideas. I don't really know what part of my comment was "aggressively vague" 😂 I just stated what I thought at the moment but I also like learning from others so I share that thought there. If you don't mind I will share a channel here that has taught me some cool stuff about anime production. (it has two about compositing that are my fav) Let me know so I can post the link.
@@TheArtKingdomYT Thanks for the reply! I agree, I usually try my best to stay as neutral about topics as possible, but in this video I didn't do the best job at separating the facts with assumptions based around facts. About the link, yes please post it here.
I doubt it. Hayashi hinted before they have something planned for when Attack on Titan ends couple of years back. It could be Dorohedoro or a new project entirely.
knowing the rumours of OPM to produce by mappa. do u guys think hayashi team will involve in that or how the chance of him involve in CSM next project? looking at how dorohedoro is not even their priorities right now . what would u guys think? i would to hear anyone opinion
@@zhareeq If the rumours of OPM animation production moving to MAPPA turn out to be true, I think it might be handled by a new production line. Hayashi and team already have an undisclosed project to work on after SnK.
@@anotheryoutubeuser good thank you. from your perspective, do u think u have any ideas which production staff line will work on OPM? im not really sure if it will go to seshimo pipeline. or do u think it will go with the same mess like jigokuraku?
@@zhareeq Seshimo line taking over OPM S3 is almost impossible. It must be a different line. Maybe even a new line with a new/promoted animation producer.
Here's hoping that at least the teams behind Lazarus and Alice and Therese (film), both seemingly very high profile projects and both with industry renowned directors, end up getting the time they deserve to release something they can be proud of (considering both of them have been reportedly in production for a while), because all the rest of the teams seem like they are eternally fucked.
12:28 are you sure? Idk about other departments. But if I'm not wrong, setting production and Assistant, management and supervision (supervision by otsuka himself) and production desk was Completely done in-house by Mappa
@@-MankoManAgain idk much about The other departments. And yabuta seems to be Pleased with The production or how he talks about Mappa on Twitter. Or how he even agreed to work in-house for mappa if The System is that Broken. Same with gosso (he would get The same treatment like nakayama on CSM if he worked as a freelancer). Also Mappa seems to have a shit ton of producers (there are already very good ones in seshimo's line). And yeah also being the fastest growing studio because of how much money they make also helps. Also yabuta is not a person that would work on these conditions when his passion gets destroyed by studio's conditions
P.A works also produced movie about Whiskey that going to air this fall. either it's different pipeline or maybe it's consist P.A works staff, but we don't know the full credit yet even on the trailer. i'm sure some mappa in-house name at least 50% of them participate in the Alice factory movie.
i suddenly remember how big Mappa is before Maruyama left, they got like Yostar & Cygames core staff works on show like Rage bahamut and Ushio no Tora.
Yeah the staff just Jujutsued their last kaisen, about time to, like if they kept going they would be forced to push our unfinished episodes, not even mentioning the poor treatment the animators are receiving, hope they lose everything, cuz I feel like they won't learn unless they really lose it all really
I dont know if the brake between jjk s2 is that big of an indication to the quality. They likely wont do a break after episode 13 like season 1 did because it makes more sense storywise to make the break here
Just as an example of how unresearched and unknowledgeable this is, I'm just going to look at the Vinland Saga section: -"No studio would take it so MAPPA took it." Untrue. The director himself said there were multiple options and MAPPA was just first to move. -"It was put under MAPPA, but they gave absolutely no assistance outside of episode 15." So wrong it`s hard to know where to start. For starters you mentions the episode director of 15, Tokio Igarashi. But of the "bunch of Attack on Titan staff" that came with him (really only three Animation Directors), Manabu Akita, Daisuke Niinuma and Mikine Kuwahara, the last worked also on 13. Plus Fumihide Sai, another AoT main, worked on 11 and 13. All of this is easily researchable information. But of course even just perusing the credits at all would have revealed that MAPPA did douga work for every episode, as with all shows, so clearly individual staff names wouldn't even register. But that's not even the most outrageous problem. While this is something that even someone that isn't lazy might have a hard time finding out, 9 out of 24 episodes were directed by MAPPA employee staff (1 being co-directed) by a total of 7 episode directors. By comparison, a total 1 episode of season 1 was co-directed with a freelancer by a WIT employee. With episodes for the show taking as much as 6 months (remember, episodes are produced in parallel) this is a massive investment of salaried man-hours that pretty much certainly dwarfs WIT's direct involment, which came down to action by Imai (who by the way was probably never an employee, but was indeed a regular freelancer that should count as workforce) and AD participation by Kadowaki, Takaaki Chiba, Kyohei Tezuka and such. With S1s elevated AD count, even those participations are likely to have been lesser in volume than that of SnK's staff in S2. -"Vinland Saga's staff is a passionate and tightly knit group that would produce the show even without help from the studio" I'm sure they are, but the staff group that came from season 1 outside of the main (OP credited) staff, amouted to 6 episode directors (yes, fewer than MAPPA contributed, and I'm counting here Kento Matsui, who was only assistant episode director on S1), 5 animation directors (Tsujimura, Inoue, Wakasa and tenuously Nishihara and Murata, who barely participated) who doubled as KA a lot earlier in the series. I should also mention star storyboarder Atsushi Kobayashi, who directed on S1 but focused on storyboards in S2. Overall the rest of the AD staff were not significantly involved with either studio (Ayano Fujita and Yukie Suzuki worked rotation on Idaten, but I assume they were recruited by VS's producer Hasegawa and did Idaten first so they could come in halfway and not be on retainer for the entire duration, possibly because the production couldn't afford it). Episode 16 also featured Hiroki Fujii and Shiho Tanaka as ADs, borrowed from Ogawa's line (Kakegurui Twin, Tondemo Skill). This type of exchange can be perfectly fine, by the way, in a show with an extended production period like this, because it helps freelancers that are likely working at the studio and are paid by the cut, to fill their time without having to deal with other studios. No joke, very, very few of even the KA that worked on S2 touched S1 other than Tsujimura, Inoue, and action director Akiko Kudo, who indeed, handled a lot of the action. Even then, the Snake vs. Thorfin fight was handled by Jonghyun and Yuto Kaneko, both MAPPA freelance contacts. Overall, just a mess of misinformation. It would take a further wall of text to get into other aspects of it, since barely anything factual is mentioned. There's a lot to be said about MAPPA's approach to growth, in attempting to grow their in-house share of production (through agressive hiring) while also attempting to increase their revenue streams (through investing and managing IPs as well as producing merchandising) and how it has led to disfunctional productions, but absolutely none of it is approached here at all.
You make some really great points, and I do agree that I fumbled with the stuff about vinland saga. I definitely should have specified that I was talking about particularly the action animation staff and not directors or douga, but I'm making a follow up video anyway which should clear things up. "Overall, just a mess of misinformation. It would take a further wall of text to get into other aspects of it, since barely anything factual is mentioned." If this is about something other than Vinland Saga, then I would really want to know about it. if not here in the comments section, maybe DM me on twitter. As for your last paragraph, I felt like talking about those things weren't necessary at all, since the focal point of the video is the reason why Jigokuraku failed not only as an anime but a "MAPPA anime" specifically since it goes entirely against Otsuka's ideologies of making quality anime and building the whole MAPPA brand around sakuga.
JJK schedule is also very unknown (although some guesses can be made, like episode 5 was in production at December of 2022 but that's it). And also the whole industry is fucked, but Mappa is actually growing and expanding (same with their in-house departments)
@@-MankoManbecause I do think for how much the Studio is growing and expanding, some sacrifices probably gonna happen. You gotta give them Credit that how Mappa didn't exploded or dosen't have production crash left and right like A-1 and cloverworks (which Again, they Won't Grow nearly as much as Mappa is) with how much high profile Shows they have (and also having 8 APs this early) While they also improved their in-house departments, Training newbies and investing more on their projects and getting big talents like gosso and yabuta in-house
@@A1000-b9s yeah, but having another AP already takes a big weight out of all the work staying on the back of seshimo, but ofc they would need another cour staff for both csm and jjk projects to be produced independently
@@Kabutsuji not happening soon. Also seshimo himself has one of the best connections in the industry. The staff will probably get more divided. Since they already started making JJK when CSM was airing or probably a bit earlier (they also barely Share the same main staff and mostly in big KAs or some ADs)
@@-MankoManObviously, but not just Miwa, I think making a video talking about Yuki Yase's aesthetic choices and his history in the industry in general could be nice
@@carloscauan7967 Yase's direction is what drew me into Fire force in the first place. It was really unfortunate that a lot of people disliked his direction style for a shounen. I found it fresh for the medium and truly captivating.
They're probably going with Attack on Titan final season release schedule to avoid dropping Chainsawman or Jujutsu kaisen. Part 3 (and 4) of the final season looked great only because they made them over an hour long special episodes with over year and a half of production time with +6 month break between the two.
im pretty confident JJK season 2 is going to be amazing judging from the first 4 episodes, but im really concerned for the future, i really hope they can maintain this quality for the culling games aswell 😭
Same man ..but i feel like we are going to get some really bad eps in the shibuya arc there is no way its going to look as good as the first 5 ep I hope we can even get half the quality of the first 5 ep
@@bananapp5562Wait we will get shibuya in 4 weeks ? I thought season 2 would only be the 5 episodes of the flashback arc. And why isn’t there any trailer for the shibuya arc ?
@@ni9274 uuh.. well first of all, Shibuya arc wont begin until the end of August, Hidden Inventory/Premature Death arc still has one more episode left, it's 5 episodes. The reason there isn't a trailer is because it probably wont come out until after the break and the recap episode of S1 and JJK0. So it's going to be a short while. There is a roadmap you can find if you do a little google searching.
I think the break of Jujutsu Kaisen in episode 5 is because right in that part the arc of "Gojo's past" ends, so makes sense. It's great to know more about the production of these animes, but the reality is that I really enjoyed each one of them even though they had mistakes.
Man I am coping but I hope they take their time for Chainsaw because the content in later chapters is something 💀 will be pain in the ass to even Storyboard/Direct let alone animate it.
Yeah MAPPA is looking too bleak right now. They shouldn't have picked up Jigo at all with how spread thin they are despite expanding their staff so much and that decision is definitely their breaking point into this current position. I'm glad Ogawa and Hayashi groups are fine though and would probably be in the future unless they get some other projects that are not PeakTondemo or Dorohedoro. I'm wondering how Lazarus fits into all this though because the schedule for that is good and there is definitely a lot of talented animators due to the quality of the trailer and Watanabe being director but what team at MAPPA is handling this for it to be this good I wonder. That being said I hope they sort out these issues because MAPPA is in such a good position compared to other studios with so many talented staff and a large in house amazing cg department most other studios wouldn't dream of getting only to spread staff so thin.
@@hamzaeljid1549 he/she is blessed tho. Working on maboroshi with Extremely good conditions, dorohedoro also had a very good schedule if I'm not mistaken
Dude thank you SO much for these deep dives. Really interesting and puts things in perspective. I’m not aware of anyone on the platform doing what you’re doing so keep it up!
Manabu Otsuka has a "suffer now and be blissful later" type of mindset. It's pretty much a toss up tbh It can make or break MAPPA. The only two outcomes I see coming out of this are either they become a studio like Madhouse (specifically in the 90s to early 2010s era) or they become a studio like Gainax (A massive high for around 8 years then completely falling off).
brilliant video. i have learnt so much about how japanese animation studios work and how some of my most beloved animes weren't even at full potential. Jigokuraku is really getting shafted. its not some small name too. its a shame because the manga was great. I don't want it to be another series where people have to say ''read the manga instead'' because of how the anime is done. it really stains the popularity of the work and even more because ultimately, more people will watching the anime (reading sux1111!!!!) so it will blemish how good a series is viewed as a whole
I have a feeling that we might A. See MAPPA imploding from the inside due to Otsuka addiction for accepting more projects than necessary or B. The Muriyama exodus happens again. Also I 'm glad that Wit let go of AOT and Vinland Saga, it allowed them restructure their production pipeline and we get shows like the Great Pretender, Vivy, RoK, Spy x Family, etc. I'm on the fence about Suicide Squad Isekai, but judging by the trailer it doesn't look all that bad.
whats funny is that thanks to MAPPA being so invested in their godamn high profile projects that they forgot the ZLS & Yuri On Ice movies existed, jesus christ they have been waiting for literal years just for no update besides the movie announcements lmfao
I absolutely love your videos. But can i criticize about something? Your thumbnails aren't as appealing as other anitubers'. When your videos come up in my feed, it's the channel name that makes me click on the video. Maybe it's that plain look you are going for with your thumbnails, and i know that you've gotten a job and you're not able to put in as much amount of time as would have before, but can you please make your thumbnails more,idk appealing? Sorry, maybe i am knitpicking. But your videos are so damn good and I'd like for them to be viewed by even larger audience. And i believe better thumbnails help achieve that. Rest all is great and keep up the great work!!
@@tater8960 😅i'm no youtube expert and i'm not pretending to be one. I just want to see him succeed so bad, coz fk he deserves it. I can't think of any other channel which does such great in-depth animation analysis. off the top of my head i can think of canipa effect, probably pretentious but their videos are too short and generally not as deep as manko's videos.
6:43 Just to say that kakegurui twin Aired in August 2022 after Aotfs part 2 with Hayashi and Kaori Makita(hells paradise dir) directing,so Thats even worse for jigokurako,having only around 8 months to produce the show with almost no any extra talent
With aot new parts having decemt schedules, moboroshi movie bieng in production from like 3-4 years now and lazarus rumoured to be in production in for a long time. Thier is hope that this burning dump of mappa is getting a hold coz hayashi have enough power to influence studio and gosso and ryu being in jjk and csm and permanent members gives them athority to ask for good schedule if they build enough pressure and can convince monobo about the advantages of good schedule(moboroshi, Lazarus,andmaybe aot last part also) , so i just hope studio gets better and it seems it it will ❤❤
JJK and CSM will probably get more divided as The time goes (even recently they mostly Share big KAs than The whole staff) . Since because in seshimo's line, there are some Really good PAs (potential AP in the future) and how the Studio is expanding, they probably gonna expand their 2nd department a lot
@@A1000-b9s leta hope for the best Coz tbh except Hell's paradise Mappa shows have never looked bad or even average and I hope with hp season 2 it improves and hp season 1 be the first and last bad show. In mappa's catalogue
@@gamerboyrax2222 since they already have The team ready and they have potential. I assume they hopefully get a much better schedule and freelancers to work on this Show
@@A1000-b9s I hope so.. More or less studio mappa is now less of a mess than it was in 2021-2022 guessing by the quality of anime they are pulling. So it only seems to improve from now. Jjk god a visual upgrade, csm looked awesome, aot part 2 and 3a looked fab and 3b's trailer also looks promising Lazarus and moboroshi who have been in production for a long time and their trailers also look good Bochigiri's trailer also gives a well animated retro vibe. Campfire cooking,dance dance dansuar also looked better than expected. I hope this improves overtime and really I would like to see a new project on Zombieland saga revenge ip and campfire cooking Otsuka seems greedy but he definitely has something up his sleeve coz there is no way they can make these shows at this quality in sweatshops. I just hope he doesn't get more of those drug cravings
Great vid as always. I love hearing/ watching about the animation industry. However, it's sad that not only MAPPA does do this, we have JC staff for example. Anyway, I hope MAPPA doesn't collapse at the end, because I somehow like this studio, maybe because they produce most of the IPs I like, lol.
JC Staff outsources a lot and has a lot of anime that are animated conservatively. They'll have like 2 or 3 anime per year where they have their top dogs but stuff like Smartphone Isekai S2(basically done by Engi), Sacrificial Princess & the King of Beasts(mostly outsourced), and The Duke of Death and His Maid(done by Cg studio SMDE) barely affect the main staff at the studio. The amount they do is still a lot but they don't have the huge ambition that Mappa has, too bad that Mappa's ambition is actively harming their staff.
J.C. Staff doesn't seem to be doing bad though, some of their animes are entirely or almost entirely outsourced, while the ones they're giving priority and doing more of it in-house like Sugar Apple Fairy Tale, Edens Zero and Nanatsu Maken aren't high-profile shows, and based on the credits they don't seem to be chaotic productions, both SAFT and EZ had episodes with literally 0 2nd KAs, while the 15 episodes of Nanatsu were finished before the release.
Off topic, WIT Studio made a right decision to pass AOT to Mappa. Now they’re taking their time making originals and some high IP’s like Vivy, Ranking of Kings, and Suicide Squad Isekai
Do you think we might ever get a attack on Titan final season remaster? The animation had its highs but I don’t think it consistently matched the quality of the wit seasons. It might just need better coloring and replacing the cgi. I’d love to see mappa remaster with the quality they had for the first final season trailer(that was pre animated)
Really good overview video on why jigokuraku looks atrocious but not enough to cover mappa as a whole. This whole mappa rabbit hole is truly one of the most interesting topic to discuss that i dont think a less than a 1 hour video can even do it justice. Their recent huge investment on studios and employee, their connection with big game publisher in japan, and their ridiculous amount of insanely talented director, there are simply way too many things to discuss about mappa, but i dont think any of these really matter tbh. Mappa are still in their transitional era, and i dont think we will ever see any resemblence of what mappa otsuka dreamed of until at least 2025 or 2026. They are just way too unpredictable as a company that any video discussing or predicting their future will probably become irrelevant in 3-4 years time
@@chrissbrackin80 if your standard of acceptable animation is as low as anything that are ever so slightly better than seven deadly sins then good for you
I'd really love to see both the Seshimo and Hayashi teams being able to work on original passion projects of their choice after so many years of brutal workl on big ip's imposed over them; and if Otsuka wasn't willing to do that, they'd just leave. Like, I know there are big fandoms wishing for the next generation of Shonen action titles to be adapted, but I'm more interested in when will we be able to see the next Space Dandy, Flip Flappers, or Sonny Boy, where the creators can pour their talent and imagination over something interesting and fulfilling to them, with no creative limitations. That would be nice...
its almost comical how many projects mappa keeps picking up. they just kept picking up project after project until the production collapsed. the situation is just so depressing yet it somehow makes me laugh
Question from anime newbie. How much can time give to project, if it is already good? For example: what if ufotable had like 1 year more to make Kimetsu no Yaiba Seaosn 2? Would it be way better? Or just slightly better cause they already did great job?
Guys, it happened. Episode 17 of Jujutsu Kaisen S2 just aired, and you can see it clearly. The production quality fell off a roof because the animators can't keep up. This is the end. Mappa has fallen.
just to clarify bro jjk is taking a break after 5 eps most likely because its indeed the last episode of the current arc. Although yeah there are obv production problems its more so just a convenient excuse to split the 2 arcs being adapted this season
You forgot Alice and the illusion factory movie which was announced with CSM Lazarus a collab with Adult swim with Shinichiro Watanabe and john wicks director and Bucchigiri
@@Kigaeru77 loud minority and their bullshits won't stop them at all. When the CEO himself said it was successful. And while he said it didn't had The same Impact as JJK (ofc yet), it's probably more profitable for them than JJK. They only get like 20% in the production committee out of JJK. But they hundred percent invested in CSM
@@A1000-b9s welp, its not minority in japan, and that is a big deal for various reasons. the only problem is the way ryu nakayama answer those interview questions is condescending to the target audience in japan, and on top of that he is new kid on the block for anime director, it's crucial in japanese society to have humility especially if u are young and new for the job, so for japanese anime watcher/manga reader perspective he looks like the cocky newcomer or cocky transfer student or something like that after the interview, i know its kinda wierd for westerner perspective but that's how it is in asia, u gotta try to look at different perspective. things might be bullshit for another part of the world but it might be the opposite for another part of the world. don't get me wrong im born and raised in asia country but i do think the reaction from the interview is extreme, japanese is soft on the outside but sometimes savage in the inside. and don't get me wrong too, i really want to see season 2 of CSM with the same quality of season 1 from mappa.
@@Kigaeru77 imagine getting hate on Something that you personally don't like and adapt the source Material with fujimoto's love for Films and still get hate for it. Looks like Creativity always brings hate. Some people make it like worst adaptation in the world because of those ''chibi Comedy'' moments that also can be improved yeah, but it's definitely not infenior to The manga
Even with a tight schedule Jujutsu Kaisen 0 looked fantastic. It's such a same cause all the animators were overworked and underpaid. I think that's the main reason why Sangwoo Park left
Hells paradise really got the end of the stick. Hopefully after jjk season 2 is the chainsawman movie. Btw what staff team is doing the Alice to Therese no Maboroshi Koujou movie is it manabu's team or is it just okada mari team that she usually work with to make shows/movies just under MAPPA's name ?
jujutsu 2 is gonna have 3 weeks pause, after episode 5. So shibuya arc is in trouble (the staff too of course). We already have fans conplaning, with good animation in this 4 episodes right now, imagine when the cracks start to show up for real.
JJK is more of a passion project and with even the low priority episodes of hidden inventory looking better than 90% of anime, i think they gonna nail shibuya
Don't worry about lazarus, Original movie or probably even that 2024 Original anime. The production schedule for them are Really good (idk about 2024 Original anime tho). But yeah, it's good that production like this exist but it's still way too much
Really good and sad video I wanted you to talk more about the new members under seshimo team with jujutsu like jun nakagawa and the director of episode 3
Welp I don't really see them returning to Dorohedoro though. Sad since the manga is one of my favs and they nailed it's attitude Jigokuraku ended up doing rather decently though lol. They might just move Hayashi's team to Jigokuraku instead. F in chat for csm though, cus if it's between csm and jjk, I don't see them dropping jjk lol.
It really sucks to see this. I wish your video could do more than make people aware. prey to god hp gets a better schedule with maybe more staff assistance and hope they cave in and maybe delay jjk after the 12 ep or something for more than 3 weeks for staff to have at least reasonable enough time. I know this is pure cope but this is going to turn really ugly if they don't have some sort of plan. All the people who are working on these shows deserve to have better conditions (especially the ones who didn't change their output despite the bad circumstances)
They should pick up fire punch and redo a promised Neverland season 2. While they're at it, make a 3rd hunter x hunter remake followed by the dark continent arc up until the latest chapter. Lol
Sakugabooru is the site that you're asking for. Go check it out. Got some really good shit in there. Like production materials for animes and behind the scenes things. Along with interviews with staffs and whatnot.
3:12 Really great explanation of the whole situation lol 18:55 Or they can promote a new aniP for 2nd division but still it's really hard to have another aniP like seshimo(already did for 1st dept i.e okamura) Fun fact my ceo is aiming for 6-8 projects per year and so far he already achieved for 2023
@@wolfbrigade8042 yes and I'm honoured to be working under best business man this industry ever got (my ceo always know which IP is worth to invest on)
Hell's paradise manga was one of my favourites when I read it and I was really looking forward to the anime. Felt really disappointed but still did not completely deter my enjoyment. Hopefully season 2 receives some improvement but considering Mappa's horrible schedule I highly doubt that.
It's for the most part because of the ceo decisions that caused the newer animators to be thrown under the bus in jigokuraku schedule and production hell.
Otsuka once said " I want to improve fast. Points that normally take 20, 25 years to reach, but I wanted to quickly create an environment where the workers can have ambitions." So yeah, while this video might paint him as this "greedy' businessmen, he does seems to have good intention and the progress are indeed showing.
I'm not too deep into industry stuff myself, but from the discussion i heard the industry are moving into relying less on freelancer with major companies the likes of Cygames, JOEN & TOHO competing to tie down talented people. And to compete with the big fish MAPPA is doing what they are doing now.
I can see signs of this chapter of MAPPA being a necessary sacrifice to someday become something like KyoAni, but we shall see in the future if Otsuka can realize his promises, or he will continue being just greedy businessman and implode one day.
I think your comment explained so much about what otsuka plan is (supposed to at least). And his Recent interview
Mappa ain't becoming Kyoani in a million years
@@mikusupremacy4786bro is literally copy pasting on another comment. No shit, cause no studio can be, it needs a shit ton of money and time and Mappa is much bigger studio and they will expand themselves a lot
@@A1000-b9s even with "shit ton of money" and "time" mappa ain't becoming Kyoani
@@mikusupremacy4786 The key difference with KyoAni is that they have control over their own production & very loyal animators that they nurture themselves. MAPPA is showing signs of moving towards that by investing more in their own shows, training newbies & contracting talented animators full time.
Cmon, KyoAni been around since 85', while this version of MAPPA besically started in 2016 with much different industry climate, i say give them some time.
nothing like taking a break from studying to comprehend the current fractures in MAPPAs production line
Same man. So refreshing for a break.
It’s a shame. With hells paradise. But I can’t say it ruined my enjoyment, it was still a really good show in my opnion. I can only hope season 2 has a better production though
take my word season 2 is when it starts getting hype. its just non stop good stuff. if they can make season 2 even just consistently great not the best but just a pleaser to the eye then i believe they can really reap the full rewards of producing a good animation
Ngl I didn't even notice it. I thought it looked fine when i watched it
@@theninjagamer1 me too especially for the first three episodes but after that there were some noticeable things
@jazzwinningthechip6821 The first episode was probably the only one where I didn't notice any inconsistency. Especially on the character designs on the face, the first most noticeable being Kisho's around episode 3, which I found unfortunate, really.
You forgot to add that they are making Okada movie and Lazarus. Admittedly, both of those projects look amazing and have probably already finished production. It's a shame what's happening in MAPPA, especially since every team has incredible potential
Lazarus is not finished, don't fool yourself. Finished projects without a release date is something that simply doesn't happen, especially in the anime industry
It's funny because Alice and Therese is more of a practically P.A. Works movie than a MAPPA one lmao
@@vriendloos3242 People who worked on Lazarus said that this has been in production for several years, plus this is a Shinichiro Watanabe project.
@@carloscauan7967 Not really, Seimei Kidokoro, Yusuke Tannawa, Fuuko Noda, Tomoko Washida Manabu Ohtsuka producer etc. Many staff members have changed
Watanabe project is most likely to consist of people from Bones or at least the team from Caroline Tuesday.
BahiJD guarantee to be there, and I heard there's a surprising name that u couldn't think of before 👀.
I expect Otsuka to just assemble another team to separate CSM & JJK.
They got money & manpower, pretty sure they could've stole some of currently free AniP in the industry like Ookubo from I.G or even someone from Khara/4C thru Hiramatsu and Otsuka connection idk.
I see Otsuka character development from his latest interview 3 weeks ago, hopefully something change.
I'm afraid studio Khara only interested with Mecha show even if they free after Evangelion rebuild ended, also i heard they currently works on monster design of Kaijuu8's Production I.G.
As for Studio 4°c they did so well in Berserk memorial last year and probably busy with another sequel/movie. But it's a shame that studio 4°c treat their staff so badly on Children of sea, i hope Otsuka managed to bring them to Mappa.
There are already Really good PAs on seshimo's line. So i assume it will happen at some point
They should just put Yumika Ito as the AniP for Csm
@@ynamethis shows a lot of people misunderstand some things or for lack of Knowledge (i do lack Knowledge too)
1:20 Ayooo mom I'm on the TV, say helloooo XD
Hopefully hell’s paradise gets the treatment it deserves in cour 2 but i 100% doubt
Are you sure it's even cour 2?
It's already got a horrible ending
I doubt they even gonna put the effort
@@Cocxy69lmao
@@Cocxy69 the staff are Really passionate. They need good schedule however
@@Cocxy69 wym? How was the ending horrible it was a pretty good ending. Leaving good mystery also its not that they aren't putting effort. They have no time
I made quite a big error with the Vinland Saga portion of this video, which I mostly fixed in my video on Vinland Saga's production analysis:
ruclips.net/video/ihoCr-L14SM/видео.html
That high-end sushi place owned by "Nozomu Abe" at 2:28 fucking sent me lmao
The fact that JJK's upcoming episodes are pretty much all action is what's concerning.
3 weeks ain't gonna do shit. I have my doubts
@@A1000-b9s I really would be ok if they delayed it further tbh.
@@runemaster8656 i don't think it's Really for issues. It might be because of Marketing. Cause 3 weeks won't do shit, just a good amount of polish for 1 episode and considering they have to priorities shibuya, and we already have this Quality that is better visually than anything s1 produced. So i have my doubts that the schedule is (that) bad
Or manabu is Really stupid that he wants to sacrifice the biggest IP of the Studio and the Studio gets even more backlash. Nah he is not that stupid
I think they want to make Shibuya happen in 31 just that remember when they put jjk movie in same day in the story.
This aged way too well. The recent interview manabu was in had clinically insane levels of irony. All while jjk's recent ep wit dagon and the coming ep wit toji is happening lmao
It really is a rather annoying situation, and a depressing one above all else. Producers are able to pull together some of the most passionate staff and artists in the anime industry only to see, at most, like 80% of what they're worth. I truly hope that there is some light beyond the tunnel for some of these productions and the loving workers behind them. But in this current predicament it is hard to see that...
It's like I'm watching a sinking ship, with people constantly patching it up to keep it above the sea level. From where we are doing something about it is damn near impossible. Even then predicting the path of this studio is unthinkable. I mean even now we suddenly get "Lazarus", a production that has been devised for around 3 Years. It's due for next year, and has artists who already speak of if a lot of it is finished. To go beyond that a there's already talk of a new, and first time, MAPPA x Kadokawa production.
Truly one of the most bizarre, unpredictable, shady and confusing Studios to ever exist in Japanese Animation
Tbh just barely got back into anime and hells paradise is is top tier from 5 plus years ago animation used to be highly inconsistent didn’t realize it till I started watching other more modern series
Nah, man! Cloverworks is worse.
Also if The schedule is that bad for JJK. 3 weeks won't do shit. Maybe just an extra polish for one episode. And there are still many episodes left. It might be a Marketing thing or they would just bruteforce 10 till 12 episodes and just report a delay
they are probably putting a lot of manpower into jjk s2 just so it doesnt completely crumble and they wont wanna delay, since you have to pay for timeslots to actually have the show air on tv and then theres all the marketing stuff that theyve planned for s2.
i think thats how it works atleast
@@hqrmony5051 in supposedly (8 months or 9 months), you can only so much for a Standard this high
Atleast the new Watanabe show has a great schedule lol!
Same can be said for the movie, VS and tondemo skill
@@A1000-b9s and aot last chapters too
I would have never thought that a video about anime production could be entertaining enough for me to watch it twice. I am going through all your videos learning loads. Thank you very much for your work.
As for Lazarus and the "P.A works movie" that's also being produced at MAPPA, the Sushi restaurant analogy works. Two passion projects with no real pressure as far as deadlines are concerned, bringing in fresh staff that's not part of the other big projects to create amazing works from scratch.
It's not really "P.A works movie" if both producers are from MAPPA, DoP MAPPA in-house, Color designer MAPPA in-house, Seimei Kidokoro who worked with them for the last few years, one of AniP is MAPPA in-house etc.
@@luka-uw8ed "PA works movie" as in the animation team of Maquia. Producers and colour designers have very little relevance to this video where I'm specifically talking about MAPPA projects struggling to bring in animation staff. For the movie it's not an issue as most of the 2D staff is coming from a pre-existing project.
@@-MankoMan Okay, great video btw
u forgot that P.A works also produced movie about Whiskey that going to air this fall.
either it's different pipeline or maybe u right it's consist P.A works staff, but we don't know the full credit yet even on the trailer.
About anti aliasing in Jigokuraku. When it's time for clean-up and they do proper line-art, most anime do a lineart on computer with turn off smoothing. After that at compositing stage in After Effects they add OLM smoother (industry standard provided by studio OLM) to smooth the lines. So i agree with your question: How the fuck did they fucked up smoothed lines? It's scares me out, how terrible conditions did they had
This is exactly correct, however, the fact that the dude in the video doesn't know this worries me. As a side note, the reason they do this is cause it makes the coloring phase easier as well, as having lines with aliasing well mess with the edge detection/tolerance of the fill tools.
It's also not that hard to imagine how that ended up there, basically, they got rushed and had to put that in the final episode before it could get put into the compositing stage. Personally, I think there are some views n this video that are extremely flawed even if I do agree with the whole idea that Mappa is absolutely exploiting a lot of their staff members.
You could let me know your points without being aggressively vague about it. I'm always willing to learn more from people who know what I don't.
@@-MankoMan Hey, when it comes to the "flawed views" comment, I am referring to some of your takes like hell's Paradise looking "awful" when in reality it just looked normal (as in the middle of the pack not great not horrible) and this is coming from someone who was actually pretty critical of hell's paradise from the get-go.
The part of the aliasing was miss informative and the problem is even if it was just a joke someone might take that and spread it. There are already enough misconceptions about anime production as is.
I would also say it'd be best to remain cautious with assumptions regarding animations studios and animators, some of the stuff you said was factual but some were speculative, you probably know more animators and staff by name than I do but I can tell you that some of them don't really enjoy this type of content cause a lot of times we don't really know the ins and outs of what is happening in each project so a lot of what we say may end up feeding the wrong ideas.
I don't really know what part of my comment was "aggressively vague" 😂 I just stated what I thought at the moment but I also like learning from others so I share that thought there.
If you don't mind I will share a channel here that has taught me some cool stuff about anime production. (it has two about compositing that are my fav) Let me know so I can post the link.
@@TheArtKingdomYT Thanks for the reply! I agree, I usually try my best to stay as neutral about topics as possible, but in this video I didn't do the best job at separating the facts with assumptions based around facts.
About the link, yes please post it here.
@@TheArtKingdomYT I would love to see that link too! Seems awesome!
That hayashi team is going straight to hells paradise
I doubt it. Hayashi hinted before they have something planned for when Attack on Titan ends couple of years back. It could be Dorohedoro or a new project entirely.
knowing the rumours of OPM to produce by mappa. do u guys think hayashi team will involve in that or how the chance of him involve in CSM next project? looking at how dorohedoro is not even their priorities right now . what would u guys think? i would to hear anyone opinion
@@zhareeq If the rumours of OPM animation production moving to MAPPA turn out to be true, I think it might be handled by a new production line. Hayashi and team already have an undisclosed project to work on after SnK.
@@anotheryoutubeuser good thank you. from your perspective, do u think u have any ideas which production staff line will work on OPM? im not really sure if it will go to seshimo pipeline. or do u think it will go with the same mess like jigokuraku?
@@zhareeq Seshimo line taking over OPM S3 is almost impossible. It must be a different line. Maybe even a new line with a new/promoted animation producer.
Here's hoping that at least the teams behind Lazarus and Alice and Therese (film), both seemingly very high profile projects and both with industry renowned directors, end up getting the time they deserve to release something they can be proud of (considering both of them have been reportedly in production for a while), because all the rest of the teams seem like they are eternally fucked.
12:28 are you sure? Idk about other departments. But if I'm not wrong, setting production and Assistant, management and supervision (supervision by otsuka himself) and production desk was Completely done in-house by Mappa
Mainly focusing on animation staff.
@@-MankoManAgain idk much about The other departments. And yabuta seems to be Pleased with The production or how he talks about Mappa on Twitter. Or how he even agreed to work in-house for mappa if The System is that Broken. Same with gosso (he would get The same treatment like nakayama on CSM if he worked as a freelancer). Also Mappa seems to have a shit ton of producers (there are already very good ones in seshimo's line). And yeah also being the fastest growing studio because of how much money they make also helps. Also yabuta is not a person that would work on these conditions when his passion gets destroyed by studio's conditions
@@-MankoManbut still these are not low things. Being all of these Completely in-house to help on VS is a good thing on itself
P.A works also produced movie about Whiskey that going to air this fall.
either it's different pipeline or maybe it's consist P.A works staff, but we don't know the full credit yet even on the trailer.
i'm sure some mappa in-house name at least 50% of them participate in the Alice factory movie.
@@euwi yeah i think The AP is not busy with other projects either
i suddenly remember how big Mappa is before Maruyama left, they got like Yostar & Cygames core staff works on show like Rage bahamut and Ushio no Tora.
*maruyama's connections
Yeah the staff just Jujutsued their last kaisen, about time to, like if they kept going they would be forced to push our unfinished episodes, not even mentioning the poor treatment the animators are receiving, hope they lose everything, cuz I feel like they won't learn unless they really lose it all really
I dont know if the brake between jjk s2 is that big of an indication to the quality.
They likely wont do a break after episode 13 like season 1 did because it makes more sense storywise to make the break here
Just as an example of how unresearched and unknowledgeable this is, I'm just going to look at the Vinland Saga section:
-"No studio would take it so MAPPA took it."
Untrue. The director himself said there were multiple options and MAPPA was just first to move.
-"It was put under MAPPA, but they gave absolutely no assistance outside of episode 15."
So wrong it`s hard to know where to start. For starters you mentions the episode director of 15, Tokio Igarashi. But of the "bunch of Attack on Titan staff" that came with him (really only three Animation Directors), Manabu Akita, Daisuke Niinuma and Mikine Kuwahara, the last worked also on 13. Plus Fumihide Sai, another AoT main, worked on 11 and 13. All of this is easily researchable information. But of course even just perusing the credits at all would have revealed that MAPPA did douga work for every episode, as with all shows, so clearly individual staff names wouldn't even register.
But that's not even the most outrageous problem. While this is something that even someone that isn't lazy might have a hard time finding out, 9 out of 24 episodes were directed by MAPPA employee staff (1 being co-directed) by a total of 7 episode directors. By comparison, a total 1 episode of season 1 was co-directed with a freelancer by a WIT employee.
With episodes for the show taking as much as 6 months (remember, episodes are produced in parallel) this is a massive investment of salaried man-hours that pretty much certainly dwarfs WIT's direct involment, which came down to action by Imai (who by the way was probably never an employee, but was indeed a regular freelancer that should count as workforce) and AD participation by Kadowaki, Takaaki Chiba, Kyohei Tezuka and such. With S1s elevated AD count, even those participations are likely to have been lesser in volume than that of SnK's staff in S2.
-"Vinland Saga's staff is a passionate and tightly knit group that would produce the show even without help from the studio"
I'm sure they are, but the staff group that came from season 1 outside of the main (OP credited) staff, amouted to 6 episode directors (yes, fewer than MAPPA contributed, and I'm counting here Kento Matsui, who was only assistant episode director on S1), 5 animation directors (Tsujimura, Inoue, Wakasa and tenuously Nishihara and Murata, who barely participated) who doubled as KA a lot earlier in the series. I should also mention star storyboarder Atsushi Kobayashi, who directed on S1 but focused on storyboards in S2. Overall the rest of the AD staff were not significantly involved with either studio (Ayano Fujita and Yukie Suzuki worked rotation on Idaten, but I assume they were recruited by VS's producer Hasegawa and did Idaten first so they could come in halfway and not be on retainer for the entire duration, possibly because the production couldn't afford it). Episode 16 also featured Hiroki Fujii and Shiho Tanaka as ADs, borrowed from Ogawa's line (Kakegurui Twin, Tondemo Skill). This type of exchange can be perfectly fine, by the way, in a show with an extended production period like this, because it helps freelancers that are likely working at the studio and are paid by the cut, to fill their time without having to deal with other studios.
No joke, very, very few of even the KA that worked on S2 touched S1 other than Tsujimura, Inoue, and action director Akiko Kudo, who indeed, handled a lot of the action. Even then, the Snake vs. Thorfin fight was handled by Jonghyun and Yuto Kaneko, both MAPPA freelance contacts.
Overall, just a mess of misinformation. It would take a further wall of text to get into other aspects of it, since barely anything factual is mentioned.
There's a lot to be said about MAPPA's approach to growth, in attempting to grow their in-house share of production (through agressive hiring) while also attempting to increase their revenue streams (through investing and managing IPs as well as producing merchandising) and how it has led to disfunctional productions, but absolutely none of it is approached here at all.
You make some really great points, and I do agree that I fumbled with the stuff about vinland saga. I definitely should have specified that I was talking about particularly the action animation staff and not directors or douga, but I'm making a follow up video anyway which should clear things up.
"Overall, just a mess of misinformation. It would take a further wall of text to get into other aspects of it, since barely anything factual is mentioned." If this is about something other than Vinland Saga, then I would really want to know about it. if not here in the comments section, maybe DM me on twitter.
As for your last paragraph, I felt like talking about those things weren't necessary at all, since the focal point of the video is the reason why Jigokuraku failed not only as an anime but a "MAPPA anime" specifically since it goes entirely against Otsuka's ideologies of making quality anime and building the whole MAPPA brand around sakuga.
JJK schedule is also very unknown (although some guesses can be made, like episode 5 was in production at December of 2022 but that's it). And also the whole industry is fucked, but Mappa is actually growing and expanding (same with their in-house departments)
@@-MankoManbecause I do think for how much the Studio is growing and expanding, some sacrifices probably gonna happen. You gotta give them Credit that how Mappa didn't exploded or dosen't have production crash left and right like A-1 and cloverworks (which Again, they Won't Grow nearly as much as Mappa is) with how much high profile Shows they have (and also having 8 APs this early) While they also improved their in-house departments, Training newbies and investing more on their projects and getting big talents like gosso and yabuta in-house
heeyy you're a dorohedoro fan, i should shake your hand good sir! i'v been waiting a season 2 since it got on netflix
Btw how do you think productions like lazarus, alice movie or VS can exist in a System like this? (if The System is Really that bad)
You literally predicted that this would happen. Fair play 🤙🏾
Jigokuraku Blu ray will air on October
Its a big time, but they are busy on AoT... I hope they will change a oot of things in dvd
wow october. thats a huge gap. i expect massive changes in that blu ray, even more than aot s4 p1
@@tater8960 I still can't get this community are joking or not
It feels like sarcasm 😭
@@kenmaru777 nah I'm serious
I really hope that Otsuka brings some new AP to the second department
They will at some point. Because seshimo's line has great PDs
But it takes a lot of time
@@A1000-b9s yeah, but having another AP already takes a big weight out of all the work staying on the back of seshimo, but ofc they would need another cour staff for both csm and jjk projects to be produced independently
@@Kabutsuji not happening soon. Also seshimo himself has one of the best connections in the industry. The staff will probably get more divided. Since they already started making JJK when CSM was airing or probably a bit earlier (they also barely Share the same main staff and mostly in big KAs or some ADs)
Would love to see some Undead Unluck videos in the future
I'm one of the biggest Kazuhiro Miwa fans on the planet so you'll definitely be seeing those videos from me.
@@-MankoManObviously, but not just Miwa, I think making a video talking about Yuki Yase's aesthetic choices and his history in the industry in general could be nice
@@carloscauan7967 Yase's direction is what drew me into Fire force in the first place. It was really unfortunate that a lot of people disliked his direction style for a shounen. I found it fresh for the medium and truly captivating.
They're probably going with Attack on Titan final season release schedule to avoid dropping Chainsawman or Jujutsu kaisen.
Part 3 (and 4) of the final season looked great only because they made them over an hour long special episodes with over year and a half of production time with +6 month break between the two.
im pretty confident JJK season 2 is going to be amazing judging from the first 4 episodes, but im really concerned for the future, i really hope they can maintain this quality for the culling games aswell 😭
Same man ..but i feel like we are going to get some really bad eps in the shibuya arc there is no way its going to look as good as the first 5 ep
I hope we can even get half the quality of the first 5 ep
@@bananapp5562Wait we will get shibuya in 4 weeks ? I thought season 2 would only be the 5 episodes of the flashback arc.
And why isn’t there any trailer for the shibuya arc ?
@@ni9274
Yes shibuya is in season 2
Its just split into 2 cours we will get a trailer next week (as some leakers say)
I hope it looks good
@@ni9274 uuh.. well first of all, Shibuya arc wont begin until the end of August, Hidden Inventory/Premature Death arc still has one more episode left, it's 5 episodes. The reason there isn't a trailer is because it probably wont come out until after the break and the recap episode of S1 and JJK0. So it's going to be a short while. There is a roadmap you can find if you do a little google searching.
Culling Games probably wont be a thing for at least a year or two after season 2.
17:34 Bro i laughed so hard on that part 🤣🤣
I think the break of Jujutsu Kaisen in episode 5 is because right in that part the arc of "Gojo's past" ends, so makes sense. It's great to know more about the production of these animes, but the reality is that I really enjoyed each one of them even though they had mistakes.
Man I am coping but I hope they take their time for Chainsaw because the content in later chapters is something 💀 will be pain in the ass to even Storyboard/Direct let alone animate it.
Yeah MAPPA is looking too bleak right now. They shouldn't have picked up Jigo at all with how spread thin they are despite expanding their staff so much and that decision is definitely their breaking point into this current position. I'm glad Ogawa and Hayashi groups are fine though and would probably be in the future unless they get some other projects that are not PeakTondemo or Dorohedoro. I'm wondering how Lazarus fits into all this though because the schedule for that is good and there is definitely a lot of talented animators due to the quality of the trailer and Watanabe being director but what team at MAPPA is handling this for it to be this good I wonder. That being said I hope they sort out these issues because MAPPA is in such a good position compared to other studios with so many talented staff and a large in house amazing cg department most other studios wouldn't dream of getting only to spread staff so thin.
Just a note...
Fuuku Noda is the main AniP in the 1st departement
What he/she is working on? There are a shit ton of APs on 1st department lol
@@A1000-b9sYoI, Dorohedoro, Idaten, Maboroshi...
@@hamzaeljid1549 oh so he is a big one in the Studio. Btw how much APs was in the 1st department? They recently added a New as well lmao
@@hamzaeljid1549 he/she is blessed tho. Working on maboroshi with Extremely good conditions, dorohedoro also had a very good schedule if I'm not mistaken
@@A1000-b9syou can say that she is the right hand of Ohtsuka..
There is 5
Otsuka
Noda
Matsunaga
Ogawa
Kawagoe
Great video man
Great video and a very important discussion of the current state of the industry.
Looking forward to your analysis of JJK S2E4
Been waiting for this since the csm production hell video
Dude thank you SO much for these deep dives. Really interesting and puts things in perspective. I’m not aware of anyone on the platform doing what you’re doing so keep it up!
Manabu Otsuka has a "suffer now and be blissful later" type of mindset. It's pretty much a toss up tbh It can make or break MAPPA. The only two outcomes I see coming out of this are either they become a studio like Madhouse (specifically in the 90s to early 2010s era) or they become a studio like Gainax (A massive high for around 8 years then completely falling off).
brilliant video. i have learnt so much about how japanese animation studios work and how some of my most beloved animes weren't even at full potential. Jigokuraku is really getting shafted. its not some small name too. its a shame because the manga was great. I don't want it to be another series where people have to say ''read the manga instead'' because of how the anime is done. it really stains the popularity of the work and even more because ultimately, more people will watching the anime (reading sux1111!!!!) so it will blemish how good a series is viewed as a whole
I have a feeling that we might A. See MAPPA imploding from the inside due to Otsuka addiction for accepting more projects than necessary or B. The Muriyama exodus happens again. Also I 'm glad that Wit let go of AOT and Vinland Saga, it allowed them restructure their production pipeline and we get shows like the Great Pretender, Vivy, RoK, Spy x Family, etc. I'm on the fence about Suicide Squad Isekai, but judging by the trailer it doesn't look all that bad.
Suicide Squad should look great, at least. It was pretty much confirmed just recently that it has Vivy's AniP
Nozumo Abe when Ufotable makes anime with high budget instead of his animation: 2:30
Wow I’m glad this came up in my recommendations, great video!
whats funny is that thanks to MAPPA being so invested in their godamn high profile projects that they forgot the ZLS & Yuri On Ice movies existed, jesus christ they have been waiting for literal years just for no update besides the movie announcements lmfao
I absolutely love your videos. But can i criticize about something? Your thumbnails aren't as appealing as other anitubers'. When your videos come up in my feed, it's the channel name that makes me click on the video. Maybe it's that plain look you are going for with your thumbnails, and i know that you've gotten a job and you're not able to put in as much amount of time as would have before, but can you please make your thumbnails more,idk appealing? Sorry, maybe i am knitpicking. But your videos are so damn good and I'd like for them to be viewed by even larger audience. And i believe better thumbnails help achieve that. Rest all is great and keep up the great work!!
agreed ive said this before too
@@tater8960 😅i'm no youtube expert and i'm not pretending to be one. I just want to see him succeed so bad, coz fk he deserves it. I can't think of any other channel which does such great in-depth animation analysis. off the top of my head i can think of canipa effect, probably pretentious but their videos are too short and generally not as deep as manko's videos.
I remember looking up Abe and seeing that same dude 💀
please next video JC staff crossed their breaking point. 9 `roject 2023 and LIDENFILMS 11 projects
J.C staff is now much more consistent tho than Before
@@A1000-b9s True in 2019 they did 19 animes and LIDENFILMS 18 . I want a video of crossed their breaking point...do you think 5 people will watch it ?
@@josecuevas-wu4qryou didn't got my point. They seem to do a good amount of things in-house recently or produce more stable shows compared to Before
6:43 Just to say that kakegurui twin Aired in August 2022 after Aotfs part 2 with Hayashi and Kaori Makita(hells paradise dir) directing,so Thats even worse for jigokurako,having only around 8 months to produce the show with almost no any extra talent
Man I knew it was gonna come, but here we are. It may truly be *Gojover*
Any girl can die on my mans smiles fr
I hope Second season gets a much better schedule and more good freelancers to work on it
With aot new parts having decemt schedules, moboroshi movie bieng in production from like 3-4 years now and lazarus rumoured to be in production in for a long time.
Thier is hope that this burning dump of mappa is getting a hold coz hayashi have enough power to influence studio and gosso and ryu being in jjk and csm and permanent members gives them athority to ask for good schedule if they build enough pressure and can convince monobo about the advantages of good schedule(moboroshi, Lazarus,andmaybe aot last part also) , so i just hope studio gets better and it seems it it will ❤❤
JJK and CSM will probably get more divided as The time goes (even recently they mostly Share big KAs than The whole staff) . Since because in seshimo's line, there are some Really good PAs (potential AP in the future) and how the Studio is expanding, they probably gonna expand their 2nd department a lot
@@A1000-b9s leta hope for the best
Coz tbh except Hell's paradise
Mappa shows have never looked bad or even average and I hope with hp season 2 it improves and hp season 1 be the first and last bad show. In mappa's catalogue
@@gamerboyrax2222 since they already have The team ready and they have potential. I assume they hopefully get a much better schedule and freelancers to work on this Show
@@gamerboyrax2222 they had average shows Before
@@A1000-b9s I hope so..
More or less studio mappa is now less of a mess than it was in 2021-2022 guessing by the quality of anime they are pulling. So it only seems to improve from now.
Jjk god a visual upgrade, csm looked awesome, aot part 2 and 3a looked fab and 3b's trailer also looks promising
Lazarus and moboroshi who have been in production for a long time and their trailers also look good
Bochigiri's trailer also gives a well animated retro vibe.
Campfire cooking,dance dance dansuar also looked better than expected.
I hope this improves overtime and really I would like to see a new project on Zombieland saga revenge ip and campfire cooking
Otsuka seems greedy but he definitely has something up his sleeve coz there is no way they can make these shows at this quality in sweatshops. I just hope he doesn't get more of those drug cravings
Man your content keeps getting better and better and the consistency has been remarkable as well. We are being fed well. Grateful ❤
Great vid as always. I love hearing/ watching about the animation industry. However, it's sad that not only MAPPA does do this, we have JC staff for example. Anyway, I hope MAPPA doesn't collapse at the end, because I somehow like this studio, maybe because they produce most of the IPs I like, lol.
I doubt they would any time soon
JC Staff outsources a lot and has a lot of anime that are animated conservatively. They'll have like 2 or 3 anime per year where they have their top dogs but stuff like Smartphone Isekai S2(basically done by Engi), Sacrificial Princess & the King of Beasts(mostly outsourced), and The Duke of Death and His Maid(done by Cg studio SMDE) barely affect the main staff at the studio. The amount they do is still a lot but they don't have the huge ambition that Mappa has, too bad that Mappa's ambition is actively harming their staff.
J.C. Staff doesn't seem to be doing bad though, some of their animes are entirely or almost entirely outsourced, while the ones they're giving priority and doing more of it in-house like Sugar Apple Fairy Tale, Edens Zero and Nanatsu Maken aren't high-profile shows, and based on the credits they don't seem to be chaotic productions, both SAFT and EZ had episodes with literally 0 2nd KAs, while the 15 episodes of Nanatsu were finished before the release.
@@Nathan-nk2wk because they are finally seem to get in production committees and do more in-house after god knows for how long
amazing video but clean your fan please😭😭
Off topic, WIT Studio made a right decision to pass AOT to Mappa. Now they’re taking their time making originals and some high IP’s like Vivy, Ranking of Kings, and Suicide Squad Isekai
I have this same problem with writing. So many books only half written, just crawling along. 😅 So i can relate on an emotional level.
Thats crazy. I love your content! But seriously if greed had a face... it would be this guy. They must be suffering alot, quantity over quality.
Hey bro. Good video. I like how you bring up information and explain things properly without being too opinionated
Do you think we might ever get a attack on Titan final season remaster? The animation had its highs but I don’t think it consistently matched the quality of the wit seasons. It might just need better coloring and replacing the cgi. I’d love to see mappa remaster with the quality they had for the first final season trailer(that was pre animated)
I liked hells paradise, i thought it looked fine. But they do need to slow down on the amount of shows.
Really good overview video on why jigokuraku looks atrocious but not enough to cover mappa as a whole. This whole mappa rabbit hole is truly one of the most interesting topic to discuss that i dont think a less than a 1 hour video can even do it justice. Their recent huge investment on studios and employee, their connection with big game publisher in japan, and their ridiculous amount of insanely talented director, there are simply way too many things to discuss about mappa, but i dont think any of these really matter tbh. Mappa are still in their transitional era, and i dont think we will ever see any resemblence of what mappa otsuka dreamed of until at least 2025 or 2026. They are just way too unpredictable as a company that any video discussing or predicting their future will probably become irrelevant in 3-4 years time
Atrocious? That’s a bit much.
@@ma.2089 right? if he thinks jigokuraku is bad wait till he finds 7 deadly sins
@@ma.2089 it is indeed atrocious, open your eyes and see it yourself. Its an absolute disgrace of an adaptation and should be treated as such
@@chrissbrackin80 if your standard of acceptable animation is as low as anything that are ever so slightly better than seven deadly sins then good for you
I want to watch this video in Japanese, can I add subtitles?
I'm using an interpretation site, so I'm sorry if I'm wrong.
I'm sorry but adding Japanese subtitles in the video would be very difficult for me.
@@-MankoMan
It's true isn't it.
Thank you for bothering.
I have a high suspicion that MAPPA will also pick up One Punch Man Season 3. Praying for all the animators
I'd really love to see both the Seshimo and Hayashi teams being able to work on original passion projects of their choice after so many years of brutal workl on big ip's imposed over them; and if Otsuka wasn't willing to do that, they'd just leave.
Like, I know there are big fandoms wishing for the next generation of Shonen action titles to be adapted, but I'm more interested in when will we be able to see the next Space Dandy, Flip Flappers, or Sonny Boy, where the creators can pour their talent and imagination over something interesting and fulfilling to them, with no creative limitations. That would be nice...
I think Hayashi's next project is an original. He mentioned something to the effect one or two years back.
this reminds me of the movie "whiplash". its a great movie, you should watch it if you havent
R u planning to make an analysis of ep 4 JJK season 2? Would love to hear your input.
its almost comical how many projects mappa keeps picking up. they just kept picking up project after project until the production collapsed. the situation is just so depressing yet it somehow makes me laugh
Question from anime newbie. How much can time give to project, if it is already good? For example: what if ufotable had like 1 year more to make Kimetsu no Yaiba Seaosn 2? Would it be way better? Or just slightly better cause they already did great job?
If i become mappa ceo, will you assist me ? 😅
Great video bro
Guys, it happened. Episode 17 of Jujutsu Kaisen S2 just aired, and you can see it clearly. The production quality fell off a roof because the animators can't keep up.
This is the end. Mappa has fallen.
Here!! Take This Engagement!
just to clarify bro jjk is taking a break after 5 eps most likely because its indeed the last episode of the current arc. Although yeah there are obv production problems its more so just a convenient excuse to split the 2 arcs being adapted this season
they had a two week break after season 1 first cour too
@@hamzarasheed1998yeah he knows
You forgot
Alice and the illusion factory movie which was announced with CSM
Lazarus a collab with Adult swim with Shinichiro Watanabe and john wicks director
and Bucchigiri
Surprisingly all of these projects seems to have a very good production schedule (but I'm not sure about bucchigiri)
nah, there's almost no chance they will make chainsawman season 2, or if there is, it's not in foreseeable future.
They will. they will expand themselves more
@@A1000-b9s i mean, yeah that's reasonable, but the controversy surrounding the season 1 is the big reason why i said what i said.
@@Kigaeru77 loud minority and their bullshits won't stop them at all. When the CEO himself said it was successful. And while he said it didn't had The same Impact as JJK (ofc yet), it's probably more profitable for them than JJK. They only get like 20% in the production committee out of JJK. But they hundred percent invested in CSM
@@A1000-b9s welp, its not minority in japan, and that is a big deal for various reasons.
the only problem is the way ryu nakayama answer those interview questions is condescending to the target audience in japan, and on top of that he is new kid on the block for anime director, it's crucial in japanese society to have humility especially if u are young and new for the job, so for japanese anime watcher/manga reader perspective he looks like the cocky newcomer or cocky transfer student or something like that after the interview, i know its kinda wierd for westerner perspective but that's how it is in asia, u gotta try to look at different perspective. things might be bullshit for another part of the world but it might be the opposite for another part of the world.
don't get me wrong im born and raised in asia country but i do think the reaction from the interview is extreme, japanese is soft on the outside but sometimes savage in the inside.
and don't get me wrong too, i really want to see season 2 of CSM with the same quality of season 1 from mappa.
@@Kigaeru77 imagine getting hate on Something that you personally don't like and adapt the source Material with fujimoto's love for Films and still get hate for it. Looks like Creativity always brings hate. Some people make it like worst adaptation in the world because of those ''chibi Comedy'' moments that also can be improved yeah, but it's definitely not infenior to The manga
bro got humor
Even with a tight schedule Jujutsu Kaisen 0 looked fantastic. It's such a same cause all the animators were overworked and underpaid. I think that's the main reason why Sangwoo Park left
Sunghoo park went to create his own studio. Overworking and underpaying is a culture working problem in japan. Mappa pays higher than a lot of studios
seems like Yt algorithm finally is on your side this time manko!
i'm happy more people recognize this channel for education.
The last time I saw aliasing in an anime was Dragon Ball Super episode 24, the worst in terms of both quality and schedule
I bet Eren told the CEO to move forward
Hells paradise really got the end of the stick. Hopefully after jjk season 2 is the chainsawman movie. Btw what staff team is doing the Alice to Therese no Maboroshi Koujou movie is it manabu's team or is it just okada mari team that she usually work with to make shows/movies just under MAPPA's name ?
Pretty much the same team as Maquia movie
Mostly maquia team with maybe few names from fuko noda contacts
jujutsu 2 is gonna have 3 weeks pause, after episode 5. So shibuya arc is in trouble (the staff too of course). We already have fans conplaning, with good animation in this 4 episodes right now, imagine when the cracks start to show up for real.
Huh I thought I read season was not going to have any pauses like 1 did
They don't have a problem finishing the ep maybe they will reach that point but atm that's not the case...
the fans arent complaining about animation, they just think they are better at directing and adapting the panels (spoiler: theyre not)
They complained about anime isn't 1:1 to manga.
JJK is more of a passion project and with even the low priority episodes of hidden inventory looking better than 90% of anime, i think they gonna nail shibuya
Mappa is doing 3 more projects alongside jjk csm and hp in future 😂 I.e Lazarus, kadokawa project and winter 2024 original anime
Don't worry about lazarus, Original movie or probably even that 2024 Original anime. The production schedule for them are Really good (idk about 2024 Original anime tho). But yeah, it's good that production like this exist but it's still way too much
i just hope the culling games look just as good as season 2 that's all i need😭
Lmao the thumbnail.
Jokes aside but I'm really feeling bad for the animators being overworked
He looks like hamza before his glow up
Really good and sad video
I wanted you to talk more about the new members under seshimo team with jujutsu like jun nakagawa and the director of episode 3
Welp
I don't really see them returning to Dorohedoro though. Sad since the manga is one of my favs and they nailed it's attitude
Jigokuraku ended up doing rather decently though lol. They might just move Hayashi's team to Jigokuraku instead.
F in chat for csm though, cus if it's between csm and jjk, I don't see them dropping jjk lol.
The difference is they get nearly 100% of the money from Csm, whereas for Jjk mostly Toho gets the bag.
It really sucks to see this. I wish your video could do more than make people aware. prey to god hp gets a better schedule with maybe more staff assistance and hope they cave in and maybe delay jjk after the 12 ep or something for more than 3 weeks for staff to have at least reasonable enough time. I know this is pure cope but this is going to turn really ugly if they don't have some sort of plan. All the people who are working on these shows deserve to have better conditions (especially the ones who didn't change their output despite the bad circumstances)
I love your eyebrows
This had nothing to do with the video
They should pick up fire punch and redo a promised Neverland season 2. While they're at it, make a 3rd hunter x hunter remake followed by the dark continent arc up until the latest chapter. Lol
They should also make a complete remake of Berserk, no censor and no skipped arcs this time.
6:01 what site/forum is this? I want to find something to communicate with people about the inside of productions, is there such a thing?
The name of the site is "Sakugabooru"
Sakugabooru is the site that you're asking for. Go check it out. Got some really good shit in there. Like production materials for animes and behind the scenes things. Along with interviews with staffs and whatnot.
sakugabooru but I wouldnt really call it a discussion site
3:12 Really great explanation of the whole situation lol
18:55 Or they can promote a new aniP for 2nd division but still it's really hard to have another aniP like seshimo(already did for 1st dept i.e okamura)
Fun fact my ceo is aiming for 6-8 projects per year and so far he already achieved for 2023
"My CEO"? Are you actually working at Mappa?
@@wolfbrigade8042it’s a meme where people call otsuka “my ceo” 2:04
@@wolfbrigade8042 yes and I'm honoured to be working under best business man this industry ever got (my ceo always know which IP is worth to invest on)
Wait i thought madhouse got absorbed into mappa or something like that
Nope, Maruyama left Madhouse and decided to fund MAPPA as a way to make his own passion projects, but then history repeated itself and he left again
Do you know which team is doing the new MAPPA adult swim show Lazarus?
Lazarus is Adult Swim, not Netflix
@@carloscauan7967oh yeah my mistake
Hell's paradise manga was one of my favourites when I read it and I was really looking forward to the anime.
Felt really disappointed but still did not completely deter my enjoyment. Hopefully season 2 receives some improvement but considering Mappa's horrible schedule I highly doubt that.
Mappa's horrible schedule?
It's for the most part because of the ceo decisions that caused the newer animators to be thrown under the bus in jigokuraku schedule and production hell.
@@catlike9444 yeah I also think so...is there any chance for the Aot team to help in hell's paradise season 2 after Aot finale?
@@arkachakraborty8104 I don't know because it's either they help with jigokuraku or continue with dororo.
@@catlike9444dorohedoro*
Didn't madhouse do the majority of the work on Takt Op? So how is that just 50%?
The labor was divided the same way as Spy x Family's was - an even episode to one studio, and odd episode to another