I've been waiting for this and now I'm still waiting for more battletech. Your battletech videos are probably my favorite break down of the setting. The Lyran Commonwealth video, perfection.
and yet here stands witness the gaze of the great historian, may you forever regale all those who shall listen (and shall sleep to) about the man who so loved Bretonnia, Pancreasnowork
The reason I like this faction is that compared to other Knights in fantasy these ones are actually close to real looking despite some liberties taken. They're colourful, cover their faces and actually use lances. Most medieval fiction I see makes everyone wear dull colours and the knights barely cover their faces with a helm. So even if they seem generic, they do the whole Medieval thing better than most I've seen.
Would be better if their helmets were as wildly varied as the real things or if they had giant Dillon codpiece options. Honestly a lot of the factions problems come from holding back too much. No summoned angels from the lake/demons of the lady also seems amiss.
Its easy to like Bretonnia because its simple and easy to get into. The Empire is extremely convoluted by comparison - this being the second most blatant faction in the setting. You want good knight doing knight things? Bretonnia. Simple as. Sometimes its just refreshing to get what you see. I like Bretonnia because i like knights.
@Sara3346 I agree that they should have a wide variety of helmets aside from the Great Helm. I love the Great Helm but there are so many cool looking Knight helmets in history. Also since this is a fantasy setting I wouldn't mind seeing them use other mythical creatures as mounts. This video didn't mention that they use Hippogryphs but they could benefit from a couple more like the hippocampus
That has sort of been Warhammer Fantasy's unique strength, they take basically functional, realistic designs for weapons and armors and ever so slightly twists them or adds odd but not (usually) over the top proportions to certain bits. This I think is the true design language of the setting, looks functional enough to be actually serviceable but has that fantastic flare to them as well.
Eeeh, their armour is a little too early in style for that; the giant metal codpieces are the sort of thing you'd be seeing on Imperial armour. Bretonnian armour is styled after the coat of plates, which is basically the step before actual plate armour was developed historically. It's a bunch of articulating metal plates held inside a covering of some sort, and it's where the idea of studded leather armour (not a real historical thing) comes from; the plates were often fastened to the covering with rivets. It would go on to evolve into things like the brigandine, a lower cost (relatively; still pretty expensive compared to the wealth of your average person) alternative to plate armour for mercenaries and soldiers that couldn't afford the cutting edge. The use of the great helm with this style of armour is correct and there weren't really alternatives, but nobody seems to be wearing a cervelliere or a bascinet underneath. Great helms weren't what you wore in most of a fight, they were specialised bits of kit for use in a charge (or a tournament). The idea was that you'd make the charge, where you needed the maximum protection possible and the limitations of the helm (overheating, lack of peripheral vision, difficulty breathing she to poor ventillation) were least problematic, then you would remove the helm after the charge and right without it. You were therefore supposed to wear another helmet underneath it. Initially this was the cervelliere, which was a pretty simple metal helmet and sometimes referred to as a skull cap. That would later to on to evolve into the bascinet and probably also many other later helmets used with full plate, like the sallet. So, yeah, most of them should be wearing some style of great helm (there were multiple styles, they weren't all flat topped lots with she slits), but only if they're armed with lances. If they're armed with swords or other hand weapon a (iirc, questing knights aren't permitted to use landed by their oath) then they shouldn't be wearing a great helm.
Cups. She distributes sippies from her cup. By the way, look up the symbology of chalices and grails sometime, and then rethink the concept of knight sipping holy nectar from a goddess's chalice.
Pancreas, if you’ve been kidnapped, tell us in Morse code, but specifically not in English, the French mind is immediately turned to rage at the sight of it.
I'm sure someone else has also commented this, but Michael Moorcock, in fact, created the 8 pointed chaos symbol. It's described prominently in the Elric saga.
The spite in Pancreas's voice is so funny to listen to when you know every ounce of his hate comes from not knowing how to fight men on horses with his fancy gunpowder, elf magics or ancient constructs.
How can one not beat horses? Elves have spears, empire has spears, i think all factions have them, fi you still cant stop them then you probably just didnt use enough spears
I think the big missed opportunity with Brettonia is not really leaning into the "high fantasy Knights of the Round Table" angle beyond grail knights. They shouldn't have stopped at Pegasus knights or the occasional hippogrpyh. Knights should have been riding all kind of crazy mounts like magic lions or giant wolves. The boys given to the Lady should reappear as mysterious silent knights who never remove their helmets, yet wield blade and sorcery with equal skill. They should have gone harder on the "more influenced by elves instead of dwarves compared to the Empire" angle, and had Bretonnian society be much more intertwined with magic since they don't have much technology. Maybe the peasantry manages to subsist off such meager conditions because their fields are just constantly being blessed by damsels to make the harvests bountiful and extra nutritious. They shouldn't have retconned the possibility for peasants to become knights either. Let there be whole groups of absolute madlad farmers who decide that they're just built different, and grab a pitchfork, hop on the back of some extra large goats, and ride off to prove themselves worthy of knighthood. 90% of them die, but that last 10% manage to impress their lord and actually get raised to proper knighthood.
you know what? I totally agree even in the real legends of King Arthur a knight has a pet lion and there's a questing beast monster running around. They need more creatures.
Ok, this could honestly be a good developing for Brettonia If only the End Times didn't happen And how about adding like some of the caricatures from the old medieval manuscripts as some creature, that was underground or something like that, as new troops?
It's a shame how Bretonnia was never completed as a faction. Back in the day thanks to Andy Law revealing inside knowledge from his days at GamesWorkshop, he revealed Bretonnia was PLANNED and supposed to be expanded. But for reasons they didn't. Bretonnia was supposed to be MORE than a medieval faction. They were supposed to be expanded with Fey. Yes, the Fey. Instead of going into gunpowder they were supposed to go into fey magic. Their armies would of consisted of the creatures from the Fey and their knights wreathed in Fey magic. Imagine an entire faction with aesthetics similar to the Green Knight accompanied by Fey creatures such as the Questing Beast. It really sucks they will remain incomplete for all time. According to Loremaster of Sotek and Andy Law (former GW person) Bretonnia was supposed to be one of if not the most terrifying faction to ever have as an opponent. You would be fighting an entire nation of people possessing the power of their elven god together with creatures from her own realm (Fey). Imagine, knights with glowing eyes, wreathed in mist and magic charging at you with an unstoppable force. Horrifying.
The term you're looking for with Bretonnia is "monolatry"- the belief in many gods but the worship of only one. It's a relatively rare but not unheard-of belief among actual, real-world religions. It was also especially common in ancient times, where cultures would generally believe that other peoples' gods were real but just thought that theirs were better. Or, in the case of the Mongols and some other larger empires, they would pay lip service to every god their subjects worshipped as a sort of divine insurance.
A bit of this in the Old Testament. The followers of other gods are able to turn their staffs into snakes. Of course Aaron's snake is stronger than all of them combined **insert dick joke here,** but those other guys were not using the power of Yahweh.
@justiningham187 Having dealt all my life with christians who not only scoff at the idea of other gods existing, but can't understand the idea even if it's explained to them, I find this quite entertaining. Imagine if you told your next-door neighbor you worshipped Zeus and he was like, "Oh shit, a rival wizard! I better make sure my wards are up to snuff!"
this is basically how in the god of war franchise the gods are basically localized to whatever region worships them. its why the greecian gods had immense power in the game but that power didn't really go outside where the gods were worhshipped.
15:46 idk why i laughed so hard at the idea of some guys fighting a last stand in Estalia against Beastmen and suddenly a Calvary charge decimates the Beastmen while screaming “TO ARABY!!!” And one of the Estalian guys just breathing heavily goes “what the fuck was that?”
I used to think knights were whatever. Then I saw 6th edition Bretonnia army book cover and realized knights are super cool. That's why I will always have soft spot for Bretonnia, even though I suck at using cavalry in Total War games.
They said the Lady did not exist. That the distribution of swords from lake damsels was not a sustainable political system. Tell me now, heathens. If She is not real, if Her Light does not shine on the world.. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS MIRACLE?! BLESSED BE THE LADY!!
To be honest Bretonnia is basically what a 'order' god equivalent faction to the chaos gods would be, which is neat. *They (bretonnia) have a goddess that's literally present* or at least her power can be just as felt as that of the chaos gods to their followers, they even *have their one to one equivalent to chaos empowered champions (directly empowered by a divine power), the Grail knights themselves.* So yes Pancreas, that super knight can absolutely cleave your precious steam tank with their holy blade like a hot knife through lukewarm butter!
During end times, Bretonnia was wiped up in a civil war until chaos and the Skaven move into their land by wiping them out. It’s their fault by not modernizing in gunpowder and other ideas they should have done.
Isnt that just warhammer in general? Simping to the gods for power. From Sigmar to The Emperor to the 4 tumors, to Khaine, we're all just simping for the power to kill gooder. Its just that your object of worship is based and everyone else's is cringe. Except the Tyranids I guess, they're just here for the local buffet.
They are the only nation or faction that has basically a direct line to their goddess, not even the high elves have that in that she will directly manifest before her followers. They are basically a; *"if there was an ORDER god(dess) run faction that acts as a counterpart to chaos".*
I am here to remind you that you are still owing us that Thanquol video, which you promissed us in your Gotrek and Felix video which came out on the 19.Aug.2022 and the promise can be found at 20:54 of that video. I will continue to remind you in every video until you either acknowledge the promise or release said video. Also how the f do we have a Bretonnia video before the best rat video?
Never understood the whole "their religion is a lie!" thing, like you're telling me that an elven god puts most of her attention into Bretonnia, and gives a bunch of them magical super powers, and she's an "elven" god? Like no, I don't see her turning any elves into space marines, she's a Bretonnian god lol
Yeah, I mean the, according to old Tilean texts, the original names of Manann, Rhea and Taal were Mathann, Ishea and Karnos. It's already generally accepted, at least academically, that there is *some* link between most of the gods of the Old World and those of the Elves. One member of the Gray Order of magic just says that Verena is just the human name for Hoeth. Is any of it true? Maybe, whos to say. But it dont gotta be a problem. If Isha can be Ishea, why cant Lileath just be the Lady?
The Bretonnian religion isn't wrong. The lady is by far the most active and generous god in the setting excluding the four chaos gods, boosting her chosen knights to the point where some of them can beat up a werewolf barehanded. Graal knights can fight and kill elves all week without losing the blessing, and she doesn't give any similar blessings to elves. The only false aspects of Lady worship is that 1) she is indeed originally an elven god and part of the elven pantheon, and 2) she saved Giles and became the patron god of his people for a reason. That reason being the better protection of the world tree that is the source of all life energy on the planet.
Colin was offered a choice to wear the green hat as was asked or suffer endlessly Green hat person has been counting down the weeks every livestream to peer pressure the pancreatic
Akshually, there used to be a lot more going on for fair Brettonia. They used to have one of the largest trade fleets in the setting, had very big cannons on their ships and generally their best to cosplay East India Company. Trade oligarchs were filthy rich, and their private armies were technologically on the same level as Empire. Naturally there was severe divide in society between such upstart bourgeoisie bankrolling the country and feudal lords sticking to old ways, with no end of cloak and dagger play. As well as in common folk, sailors and peasants were at each other's throats. But it was all retconned in favour of KNIGHTS KNIGHTS KNIGHTS. Such is the will of GW. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Bretonnia is the Canada of Warhammer Fantasy. Their strongest defense is being located next to a much more powerful neighbor, and they refuse to commit to being either English or French.
Most of your tabletop critiques are, for the hard core Bret fanbase, actually pros. We *liked* being the underdogs in 7th and 8th edition. We *liked* being predictable and relying on cavalry charges to win. It made the games more tactically challenging, and when you scored a win you knew it was because of superior play and not cheesy nonsense like spamming Purple Sun looking for double 6s in 8th edition. That's obviously not the play style for everyone, but having a more restrictive army list and lack of updates pairs well with the chivalrous mindset of Bretonnian players: we will *still* defeat our enemies through courage and valor alone, and when they are run down they will know that it was because they were outplayed played by a 'weak' army. My favorite 8th edition competitive memory was when my lance of Grail knights killed Kyros Fateweaver. The look on the chaos daemon player's face when his netlist of broken magic bullshit fell to my Duke's heroic killing blow was priceless. It's moment like this that Bret players cherish and play for.
Can't wait to see a video that's just one giant "Don't" segment. Seriously I'm surprised colin isn't secretly a bretonnian peasant who's been traumatised by his time there at this point.
I mean he is presumably a human who is obsessed with elves which is accurate to Brettoniana culture and he is also always concerned about the mistreatment of the peasantry and mistreatment of horses so it would make sense
It also irks me to no end that they conflate peasants with serfs. Peasants were freemen and sometimes even owned land. Everyone also in cities were peasants.
Despite Mr. Can't handle a Snickers bar and his constant slander towards the Chivalrous Knights of Brettonia, I Still declare FOR CHIVALRY AND FOR ZE LADY! Have a good day mr. Pancreas.
The recent overwhelming success of Uma Masume: Pretty Derby on Steam seems to suggest that Bretonnia as a faction might have a more wideapread appeal after all.
38:15 it is stated in the end-times books that Lileath choose the Bretonnians to be the guardians of her new world because they were the most qualified. I repeat: the ELVEN GODDESS believed that the ELVES were not good enough to protect the new world. and before you ask: NO, I do not know which book this fact was stated in. And nothing you do will convince and/or force me to read those god forsaken literary excrement that GW calls books.
I mean, it kind of makes sense. Bretonnians basically follow two rules: Protect what you have and dont try anything weird. They are stagnation incarnate. Usually this would be a bad thing, but since they dont have any problems whatsoever with one another, this means a world entirely populated by bretonnians would just be. Of course you can argue we'd just recreate the conditions medieval knights faced before gods truce and gods peace (both are basically reforms created to prevent knights from causing mayhem due to boredom).
Well maybe she should’ve chosen someone else, because we know enough Elves survived that they had decent numbers in AoS’s prehistory (Their descendants would later mostly be the City Aelves, and some of the founding members of the Khainite cult), but none of the horse molesters survived in any particular quantity.
A part of the Bret lore (from the 5th ed Army Book) that sticks in my head is around the original LoL encounter by Giles. Giles said "Lady, bless my banner!" and then the rest of his retinue got in on the idea too - "Lady, bless my shield" "Lady, bless my sword" "Lady, bless my warhorse" Wait...what...? Did one of the knights try to dunk his horse in the lake??
Aren't the direct descendants of that super horse among the most prized breeds of steeds in the kingdom? (Might've read it somewhere but can't remember where)
@nerdyvids1 That's actually what happened to Bretonnia in the End Times. They all started playing League of Legends, and all the gods were so disgusted that they teamed up to instantly erase Bretonnia from reality, hence why there is no Bretonnia-esque faction in Age of Sigmar
I like the idea of Bretonnia quite a lot, but they always felt a bit undercooked to me. I went in hoping for a high fantasy alternative to Reikland's pike and shot. Besides the Arthurian aesthetic I never really felt like they took advantage of that - I was imagining mystic warriors on the backs of mythical beasts, the spirits of fallen knights invoked and leading the charge into the enemy, but barring the pegasus knights and the likes of the green knight they haven't been given much in that category. I think they need a lot of love, because I always wind up going back to the High Elves because they do what I was picturing for Bretonnia a lot better than the Bretonnians. Also I really hate how their societal lore has been inconsistent between editions. Pre 4th-ed Bretonnia it was a weird feudal meritocratic system where only the righteous reigned, and then they pivoted hard in the other direction making all the peasants inbred worm-eating slime that can barely farm let alone anything useful.
I treat them like Votann in 40k. They got a book, a model release, then nothing for years, then the setting died. Most factions just got new lore and expanded upon with each army book. Bretonnia still had their 6th edition book from 2003 when WHFB was traded for AoS. So they were just left to languish for so long, while shoehorned into a grimdork tone that was poorly explained. They definitely need to lean into their fantasy aspect. And play with the balance of peasants/knights in armies more than “these guys don’t get in each others way regarding leadership.”
If the writers eased up on the grim derp about Bretonnia and taken some inspirations from of actually how medieval societies worked then we would have much more colorful faction. Imagine if Bretonnia had an actual middle class and organized church. Imagine if the knights would actually keep retinues of armed men they would supply and train to serve as either the core of the infantry that can be actually relied on or as competent support cavalry.
@OnlyDeathIsEternal A lore concept Id love to see stolen for Bretonnia comes out of Legend of the Five Rings. while like Bretonnia the Average Peasant of Rokugon is not allowed to own weapons some Lords will allow there Peasant levys to Keep the arms and armor Issued to them so when the time comes to Levy the Pesents they are already equipped, the lore blurb on this discusses how these times are seen as marks of great pride by the Peasants who go to great lengths to keep them ready and maintained and will train with them to the best of there ability, furthermore these Items remain with the Family after death with there care being handed down as Heirlooms and generations of the families Lads (or Ladettes) will train to answer there lords call. sure they may still suck compared other infantry, they still have to do Peasant stuff the rest of the time and don't have Formal training but they aren't a bunch of poor sods being rounded up as unknowing cannon fodder either. Also this should have at least been the lore for Longbow men from the beginning any way come on GW your a British Company
@RoninofFire I know the old questing beast of arthorian lore has been said to be a best of lust(the lust for glory and reputation), slannesh having a presence could be interesting. They could do something with whatever happens to the boys who get sent to the lady. Internal factions, some seeking to stay true to the old ways and others seeking to modernise, similar to their neighbours, could be a decent internal conflict. Religious squabbles like the endless catholic and Protestant conflicts could be interesting.
Another point about Bretonnia just not getting love concern total war warhammer. To my knowledge, they're the only faction without their good units being regiment of renown. Their best is the questing knight which isn't even close to being their best unit. That and their campaign mechanic is just atrocious.
Pancreas, since The Old World is becomming a very promissing ttrpg, I have no words for how incredible it would be if you made an introductory video to it. Something I could show my soon to be players saying "here, watch this, you'll have the basis for this game" Let's be honest, you're the only man who can do this properly. P.S. - I've tried to support you but google pay is f*cking with me. I'll try later again.
8:16 in old lore it was actually kinda funny how you became a knight. 4E was the height of a kinda feudal meritocracy. If a village needs a knight the fairest maiden would issue a quest. Anyone could attempt the quest and notably the children of the former knight still had to do the quest rather then inherit the title. This did open scheming from the villages I.E send the less desirable knights to fight impossible odds so a more desire one could be sent to kill a meddling rabbit. A duke or king could appoint knights but the wording seemed to be more in dire situations. This lasted a single edition before it jumped into grim dark
Yeah, 5E Bretonnia was much more interesting than "Dung Ages peasantry living in squalor while the nobles congratulate each other on how virtuous they are setting # 478", but it was evidently just not grimderp enough for 6E-era Games Workshop. The irony is that the other "order" factions had some of the 6E grimderping wound back, but in Bretonnia's case, that never actually happened. Most of the stuff that makes them relatively sane such as the taxes going back into feeding the community as a whole and the whole wink-wink-nudge-nudge thing about the nobles pretending they don't know that the navy has cannons as long as the sailors don't make it so obvious that they have cannons that the nobles look foolish came out of the RPGs trying to apply some, well, sanity to the whole thing. The 6E army book played it so straight that it makes the flipping skaven look good in comparison, because at least the higher-up skaven are honest about how greedy and treacherous they are while the lower-level skaven have SOME prospect, however small, of meritocratic social advancement.
@Draxynnic Probably because meritocracies inevitably turn into just another exclusive hierarchy, as in compounding advantages within families or certain groups happens and wealth accumulation over generations leads to those from said groups being way more likely to succeed and will eventually occupy the vast majority of available positions because they are so privileged. A pheasant's child might have an untapped talent at fighting, but the noble's child has been afforded YEARS of training and development that makes any raw talent mean zero which means the noble's child will likely succeed in becoming a knight, and this compounds over time because the wealth and privileges already afforded to the nobles means they can afford to spend more time getting better at fighting. A meritocratic system cannot address inequalities such as wealth accumulation and the fundamentally unequal power dynamics between peasants and nobles.
@Draxynnic Also I miss the less 'good' and less squeaky clean order factions, especially the empire's not so flattering lore. Warhammer Fantasy nowadays basically firmly places order factions and characters into basically the good guys role with little room for any overt evilness. It is now unthinkable to have a order antagonist, let alone a villain order one because apparently all order factions and characters are expected (or more like wanted by fans) to just be chill with each other and NEVER do any war crimes towards each other or have imperialistic ambitions that leads to conflicts between them. Kinda why I find the few human vs human wars mentioned in the lore so interesting because 90% of the lore about wars is all about humans vs X monsterous faction.
@navilluscire2567 Meritocracies usually do have structural inequalities for the reasons you cite, yes. In fact, I'd say that was baked into the fact that I used Skaven society as a meritocracy - nobody sane would ever consider that to be fair or desirable, the point was that 6E Bretonnia almost made the skaven look good in comparison because the skaven are honest about how bad it is. It's possible for a skaven to rise through the ranks through merit, but the odds are very definitely against it But here's the thing: 6E Bretonnia doesn't allow peasants to advance even if they did demonstrate that, for all their structural disadvantages, they could fight on the level of a knight. This has happened - on rare occasions, peasants who performed some feat of truly impressive valour have been knighted, so technically it's possible, buuuuut... It's also indicated that no such individual survived their first battle after being raised to knighthood, in a manner that strongly implies that they were done in by the established knights in the chaos of battle. Skaven will regard another skaven who's rising through the ranks as a threat, yes, but they might also see them as useful and there probably wouldn't be universal agreement among the rising star's new peers that said skaven needs to be killed ASAP. Pretty much every established Bretonnian knight, however, seems to agree that any "jumped-up peasant"'s only value is as the recipient of a shanking. A meritocracy where in practice most people don't advance because it requires being born into wealth to get the training and resources to have a reasonable chance to get into the positions where you can build wealth is still better, if only by a hair, than a society where even if you do manage to make it it's guaranteed to just get you killed.
Pancreas thinking it's annoying that something is arrogant while completely convinced of everything he likes and dislikes as absolute truth is excellent self awareness I must say. He hates it but he is them.
@stratigangames508 And Bretonnia's arrogance is unearned how? I know he tries to sell them short due to his personal grudge but he even admitted that Bretonnia is far from being pushovers and rightly stand up to plenty of threats in their history. So what exactly is unearned arrogance? Should I remind Karl Franz that his Empire owes much of its existence to Kislev being the bulwark against the bulk of Chaos's forces? Or that the Empire owes its tech to the dwarves? Or even how the orks coming from the Badlands have to first go through the Border Princes who definitely soften up the orks, limiting the destruction they could unleash on the Empire? Or how the Empire owes its magical education to the elves which without they'd still be getting wrecked by Chaos invasions even more so without the wizards of the colleges who again, owes their existence to the elves? To me it sounds like the Empire has unearned pride in things it didn't do on its own and very much heavily relies on others literally giving them aid or else copying what other factions do.
Listened to the Lore negatives. I can safely say that I will not be joining my fellow Elf Simp in hatred of Bretonnia. I love me my noblebright knights, hold the newer lore. Now if only I can replace their horses with Dragons. Dragon Prince Grail Knights would be fucking sick. Truth be told, I think that's the direction Bretonia should have gone. While the Empire is developing as a Steampunk Rennisance, Bretonnia should be going all in on High Fantasy. Maybe a non-End Times timeline has Lilieath not be a total bitch and Bretonnia becomes close to the High Elves over a shared faith.
I agree, I like them but they do need something else. I believe giving them various mythical creatures to use as mounts in addition to their horses would be great.
@JurassicReptile There's *"questing beasts"* which are based of real, weird medieval manuscript illustrations of various creatures based on; mythical creatures, symbolism through the grotesque, funny gags (like the giant snails fighting knights) and even real animals. (but twisted by the artist's imaginations because they never saw these animals in person only based on descriptions) But yes, I would agree that even more mount options for knights would be nice! Actually for the questing beasts sometimes a questing knight once they can tame such mythical creatures (which may or may not be basically daemons of the Lady of the Lake) they usually will receive an audience with the Lady herself and may even get to keep the questing beast as loyal steed when they ascend to grail knighthood.
I imagine that bretonia is the breadbasket of the old world. With their agrarian style and general peace. They probably produce most of the grain on the market. This would also mean that the capital of the empire is relatively close to the breadbasket helping it support it's massive urban population even if they get raided every 5 min.
Always remember, Saltzpyre was horrified that the people of Bretonnia bathe regularly. Edit: Y'know what would really help Bretonnia? Just a better unit variety, and more... For lack of a better term, disagreement within their faction. For example; Dragon Knights. Just, imagine a Grail Knight atop a dragon. 100% dope. Stag Knights. "Oh, hey, ze elves ride stags. SO SHALL WE!" Some form of trained archers. Perhaps two or three variants? One normal, one with better gear, and one with stealth skills? Like the Wood Elves' Waywatchers, Deepwood Archers, etc. For the "Disagreements" Section?; Leadership that says, "Okay, but what if...? Proper training for a core unit of foot soldiers! The Men-At-Arms could be true warriors! Also, I'm 1000% yoinking Ballistae from the Dwarves" Overall, them keeping their overall aesthetic and focus, but borrowing more from their neighbors, particularly the elves, would be the best overarching outcome, I feel. A decent imitation of Elven Archery combined with their already great Cavalry and just broadening their unit types and count would be great.
So you're essentially saying that for Bretonia to not be samey, it needs more tools in their toolbox - as for knights on unusual mounts, what about absolutely massive snails? For infantry, it would be nice to see a bit of townfolk representation, possibly a better protected levy or with better ranged weapons, possibly crossbows with odd handcanone
@Jfk2Mr Basically, aye. Also, I would die of laughter at the massive snails. ULTRA-slow, but super tanky and practically immovable. Ranged acid spit, and Mortis Engine Effect for Tier 4-5 versions of them.
I will say, you did an excellent job of holding in your bias for the first half of your video. That's more than most people can do, so I must commend you for it.
For being a fan of Elves, you have butchered the lore of their intertwined history with the land of Bretonnia. Originally, the crazy magical forest of Athel Loren covered all the lands of Bretonnia. The great invasion of chaos happened. At first, the Elder Forest Spirits fought well, turning back every invasion. Then winter arrived, and the tree spirits went to sleep. The demons took advantage of their forced sleep to burn as much of the forest as they could, killing every dormant Tree Spirit they could find. By the time the great Vortex of Ulthuan was formed, the forests of Athel Loren were cut down to about a fifth of their original size, and only 3 Elder Tree Spirits were left. (2 of them were Durthu and Coeddil)
Bretonnians are people who heard the "A magical lady living in a lake who hands out magic swords isn’t a proper form of government" meme and STILL decided to make that there form of government
Bretonnia has room to grow without losing it's identity. New religious peasant roles, anti-chaos/anti-mage relics and legendary horse characters, for example.
Reimagining the Warhammer bretonnians as the elvish inspired human nation that mirrors the dwarven inspired Empire as you proposed sounds like an upgrade. Also making their noble houses and royal family inbred half-elves would add the grimdark flavor.
I dunno I like the grim darkness being the brutality of feudalism. I kinda love the blessed nobility who genuinely believe they are born better than anyone else despite having to earn their blessings
@beowylfen A fantasy human nation where the ruling class is made of half elves still is based on feudalism. Their ruling class enjoying longer lifespans and a better affinnity to magic but their obsession with preventing the elven blood on their lineages to dilute they would be horribly inbred.
@beowylfen That *is* fun, but it should probably be juxtaposed by the fact that these knights *are* chosen on the basis of purity and the like. They should legitimately care about the peasants even if they don't believe they're equal. If they hold them in contempt than "protecting the innocent" sounds more like something approach not from a position of true religious conviction but with the idea of getting more chivalry points.
@navilluscire2567 T.M Opera O or King Halo, certainly not because their egos are well deserved and have the same size as nagash. In all honesty, I can see him going for Vodka tbh
I defaulted to Bretonia because my intro to Fantasy was Total Warhammer and I thought Repanse looked cool, and I decided I loved her because she was always shouting her own name which was hilarious to me. It wasn't until like 2 100 hour campaigns later I realised every character kinda does that. Still have a soft spot for horsey boys, but I'm on team funny skeletons now.
I've actually been reading the knights of Bretonnia omnibus, and so far, it's pretty good. It's not gonna stop me from making fun of the bretonians, but it's still a good book.
Bretonnia strikes me as a faction that started originally as the cavalry faction, to be expanded later on. Since the faction wasn't nearly as popular as the Empire, Elves, Orks, ect, so they just never got that development; so remained "they do horses good."
Honestly I like that the Bretonnians appreciate their mounts. And horses have historically been treated better than humans, and rightfully so. And the alternative of the Bretonnians treating their horses like the Amish do would just not make for good looking models. But than again I am also someone who gets confused when people do not agree that all that is required for happiness is a good horse on a nice trail
@leonelimalevu2199 Besides the Tau, the Farsight Enclaves, the Craftworld Eldar, their sociopathic cousins the Dark Eldar, their Amish cousins who don't have an army (the Exodites), the Necrons, the Orks and the Tyranids, all of which he's already made videos about? Most of the other Xenos we hear about in 40k don't even HAVE models on the tabletop, let alone full blown armies in their own right.
I find it sad that GW can’t come up with interesting lore and play styles for Bretonnia. All they would have to do is have a Bubonic Plague like event that kills a bunch of peasants when an orc invasion happens. This would force the knights to spend their time fighting off the invasion with heavy losses since there are few peasants to fill the army ranks. If the grail knights are the reason Bretonnia survives then maybe the grail knights allow crossbows and early medieval gunpowder weapons to help the peasants in their fight. After all, Grail knights have no reason to fear these weapons due to the blessing of the lady. In order to get more grail knights, being a grail knight could be open to peasants, which prompts grail pilgrims to partner with questing knights to form large adventurer pilgrimages. Concerning technology, maybe they focus more on windmills and waterwheels as their source of power and have magically enhanced versions of these, in a primitive industrial way.
lol, as a Bretonnian fan I laugh at the jokes at my own expense, don’t care if Pancreas hates my favorite faction I can laugh at the jabs he makes cause I find them absolutely hilarious! If I can take a joke so can everyone else, lol, LMAO! 😂
To be clear. I like my dumb pony boys for a few reasons. 1- regular human with magic sword is cooler than gun. 2- cavalry is cool 3- the hate just makes them more fun. The biggest thing that puts me off Breotonia. 1- pegasus and hippogriffs are as vanilla as monsters get. A general riding a lion, wyvern, or manticore would be a hundred times better.
@JurassicReptile could be a good conquest mechanic with the breeder special building. Basically lets you recruit a limited unit with a special mount if youve conquered the right territory. And the breeder increases the cap and decreases upkeep.
@JurassicReptilewhen I was first getting into Warhammer at 12 year old I'd just read a book with a royal manticore and I wanted a knight on a Manticore so bad. (Looking at the rules I'd end up killing more of my own units I'm sure)
@justhecuke This brings to mind what happens to the male Bretonian mages. Depending on lore, they either become elf slaves, personal knights of the Lady, or were implied to be elf pleasure slaves. So in 1/3 interpretations of the canon yeah, they did get wood elf mounts... and were also mounted by them too. I do get the impression that the Bretonian magical boy switch stuff was probably more of a silly meme than a serious answer tho.
Bretonnia could keep the outdated military tactics thing going if they went full on Bannerlord style with various medieval units. it just needs more things like crossbows and properly trained peasants forming mercenary bands with actual respect from their noble class, i don't understand why has to be just knights, trebuchets weren't the only siege weapons used, they were effective at doing long range sieging yes but catapults and ballistas also got their uses sometimes. it's like they took the most boring parts of both Frankish and English folklore instead of looking at actual medieval stuff. Heck you could go wacky with the Blessed Bathwater thing and invent things like holy hand grenades or trebuchet charges that deal holy damage or something on anything corrupted by chaos, but no, its just "Space Marines on Horseback"
Truuuuue. Note though, that last thing you mentioned is actually a thing. The Blessed Field Trebuchet. An artillery weapon. So at that point, could we have some blessed bows? Or that holy hand grenade or ballista. Or just, more stuff. Even if you want to lean more into the magic than the technology there's plenty more you can add to a Medieval Europe army than holy knights.
Yeah Bretonnia has just missed a lot of opportunities by using long range weapons like trebuchets, catapults and ballistas, even having their properly trained peasants be in mercenary bands from their noble class armed with crossbows. Why not have them riding on mythical beasts would be interesting?
In my last campaign of WFRP. Two centuries after the gates were closed, magic now much more tame, but the greatest change is the republic of Bretonnia, a highly industrialised contry that absoltely hates magic and elves.
to be fair, I will give an argument for something I hate, stating the few things I like about it (unless it's irridemable such as the atrocity that is velma) to make my hate of something more justified
@ThomasHogan-b7w monotheists deny the existence of other gods, henotheists acknowledge other gods exist but only worship one. Like the difference between Christians/Muslims and Jews. Jewish practitioners usually won't deny the existence of other gods, they just only worship theirs
@Burgerzaza no jews are monothestic for a while now. You are correct that judaism at one point was heno, but its been monotheisc since the times of jesus
@Burgerzazait would be better to compare them to Athenians. Who worship Athena but believe in the existence of Zeus and the others. Judaism is monotheistic now though its origins are henotheistic.
They know about the other Gods, but don't consider them God's. Christians believe in moloch (the Bible talks about him as if he is real) but don't see him as a fellow god to their Christ, they see him as just a demon, an evil spirit.
Bretonnia on Total War WH 3 with the Radius Mod overhaul is absolutely broken. It gives them absolutely insanely powerful high tier infantry (two of which are tier 5 PEASANT UNITS), and insanely powerful cavalry to the point one of their tier 3 cavalry absolutely destroys the Empire’s tier 5 cavalry. Oh! It also gives the Green Knight a tech tree that makes him damn near close to a one man doom stack and buffs the crap out of the army he’s attached to.
Head to tinyurl.com/ye... and use code PANCREAS for 10% off your order of Manta Sleep!
I've been waiting for this and now I'm still waiting for more battletech. Your battletech videos are probably my favorite break down of the setting. The Lyran Commonwealth video, perfection.
Bro if ur kidnapped or need support we're here to help
I think you’re just a petty elf who sees the disability of them like I want that
Tsk tsk insomniac viewers not happy with this one
Give us the leagues of Votann you elf simping fuck!
They said it couldn't be done...
And it shouldn’t be done
and yet here stands witness the gaze of the great historian, may you forever regale all those who shall listen (and shall sleep to) about the man who so loved Bretonnia, Pancreasnowork
July 7th, 2025. A day which shall live in infamy. Panc brought himself to be objective about Brettonia
How much did you bribe him with?
You spent so much time questioning whether it could be done, you never stopped to question whether it should be done…
Pancreas simps for Elves intentionally
Brettonia simps for Elves unintentionally
They are not the same
Gonna need some Grail juice to soothe that burn.
I think he's jealous they're getting elf goddess bath water when he's unable to obtain it.
if sipping elven bath water makes me nearly immortal im drinking
@primary2630 my mood kin.
@primary2630 no dont
Pancreas have you been kidnapped by horses
horse fuckers*
They're trying to turn him into one
GRRM "He was last seen a horse."
Happy lesbian pancreas vs evil intimidating horse
@thetaleofzulu3693Nah, that would imply that he would be treated better than most of the Bretonian population.
The reason I like this faction is that compared to other Knights in fantasy these ones are actually close to real looking despite some liberties taken. They're colourful, cover their faces and actually use lances.
Most medieval fiction I see makes everyone wear dull colours and the knights barely cover their faces with a helm. So even if they seem generic, they do the whole Medieval thing better than most I've seen.
Would be better if their helmets were as wildly varied as the real things or if they had giant Dillon codpiece options.
Honestly a lot of the factions problems come from holding back too much.
No summoned angels from the lake/demons of the lady also seems amiss.
Its easy to like Bretonnia because its simple and easy to get into. The Empire is extremely convoluted by comparison - this being the second most blatant faction in the setting.
You want good knight doing knight things? Bretonnia. Simple as.
Sometimes its just refreshing to get what you see. I like Bretonnia because i like knights.
@Sara3346 I agree that they should have a wide variety of helmets aside from the Great Helm. I love the Great Helm but there are so many cool looking Knight helmets in history.
Also since this is a fantasy setting I wouldn't mind seeing them use other mythical creatures as mounts. This video didn't mention that they use Hippogryphs but they could benefit from a couple more like the hippocampus
That has sort of been Warhammer Fantasy's unique strength, they take basically functional, realistic designs for weapons and armors and ever so slightly twists them or adds odd but not (usually) over the top proportions to certain bits. This I think is the true design language of the setting, looks functional enough to be actually serviceable but has that fantastic flare to them as well.
Eeeh, their armour is a little too early in style for that; the giant metal codpieces are the sort of thing you'd be seeing on Imperial armour.
Bretonnian armour is styled after the coat of plates, which is basically the step before actual plate armour was developed historically. It's a bunch of articulating metal plates held inside a covering of some sort, and it's where the idea of studded leather armour (not a real historical thing) comes from; the plates were often fastened to the covering with rivets.
It would go on to evolve into things like the brigandine, a lower cost (relatively; still pretty expensive compared to the wealth of your average person) alternative to plate armour for mercenaries and soldiers that couldn't afford the cutting edge.
The use of the great helm with this style of armour is correct and there weren't really alternatives, but nobody seems to be wearing a cervelliere or a bascinet underneath. Great helms weren't what you wore in most of a fight, they were specialised bits of kit for use in a charge (or a tournament). The idea was that you'd make the charge, where you needed the maximum protection possible and the limitations of the helm (overheating, lack of peripheral vision, difficulty breathing she to poor ventillation) were least problematic, then you would remove the helm after the charge and right without it. You were therefore supposed to wear another helmet underneath it.
Initially this was the cervelliere, which was a pretty simple metal helmet and sometimes referred to as a skull cap. That would later to on to evolve into the bascinet and probably also many other later helmets used with full plate, like the sallet.
So, yeah, most of them should be wearing some style of great helm (there were multiple styles, they weren't all flat topped lots with she slits), but only if they're armed with lances. If they're armed with swords or other hand weapon a (iirc, questing knights aren't permitted to use landed by their oath) then they shouldn't be wearing a great helm.
I had no idea that strange women lying in ponds distrubuting swords is literally the what their system of governance is based in!
Cups. She distributes sippies from her cup.
By the way, look up the symbology of chalices and grails sometime, and then rethink the concept of knight sipping holy nectar from a goddess's chalice.
Remuria fell for this
Probably better than the UK
I mean, a nature goddess chosing the most virtueous man in the land and blessing him with a holy weapon seems way better than any man-made system.
Chad Mallobaude trying to unsimp the whole system
No Monty Python references?
Your mother was a Skaven and your father smelled of elvenberries
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time
*I fart in your general direction!*
**insert the whole damn anarchist peasant skit here**
Niiiiiiii!!
@wolfgangervin2582I AM YOUR KING
Consider this! That would be TOO EASY of a joke for this army. That's how much of a joke this army already is.
Pancreas:
Chalice of Bathwater 😠
Chalice of Bathwater: Morathi Edition 😍
Chalice bath blood*
@michael3088bath salts
Horse (Activities) 😠
Horse (Activities): Morathi Edition 🙈
(Implied in Sword of Caledor, Prologue)
He is a simple man. Nothing wrong with that. 😂
Don't throw Malkith out with the bathwater.
Pancreas, if you’ve been kidnapped, tell us in Morse code, but specifically not in English, the French mind is immediately turned to rage at the sight of it.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrar! La peste soit de ta maison!
.--- .-
It's english and spelling "croissant" wrong.
@arthurgomes5188 crossaunt
Wouldn't it be Horse code?
Honhonhon just accordinge to planne……
41:55 okay mister "I simp for the faction whose attitude is exactly that x100"
Just jealous an Elven goddess abandoned them for brets.
The elves ARE better
@JustBearly yeah, that's why they lost a war to stumply men in mountains
LETS GOOO THE FIRST PANCREASNOWORK VIDEO TO MAKE ONE BRETONILLION VIEWS
90% of those views are just horses and peasants
We need to make this his biggest video
More moars!
@the.infamous.buzz004To be fair, every "Like" this video gets from a horse is worth three "Likes" from a peasant.
I'm sure someone else has also commented this, but Michael Moorcock, in fact, created the 8 pointed chaos symbol. It's described prominently in the Elric saga.
The spite in Pancreas's voice is so funny to listen to when you know every ounce of his hate comes from not knowing how to fight men on horses with his fancy gunpowder, elf magics or ancient constructs.
That is honestly hilarious
Heh, horse goes clip-clop
How can one not beat horses? Elves have spears, empire has spears, i think all factions have them, fi you still cant stop them then you probably just didnt use enough spears
@riumoonglow8813 lances are much longer than spears and longer than most pikes history wise
one simple answer:
autoresolve
In Warhammer Fantasy there are:
Egyptians as undead skeletons.
Aztecs as lizard-thing.
French as humans.
C'est normal.
The latter really is where the setting jumps the shark.
Gross... French
"Some pretty out there stuff." ~ Sir Man Delour
Really breaking immersion tbh
>Umamusume becomes popular.
>Pancreas make a Bretonnia video.
COINCIDENCE?
"Do you get a little too friendly with horses?"
THEY ARE MY TRAINEES.
Just as planned
@katamariroller2837 i know!
bretonnia: LE FUCK IS THIS!? WHERE ARE THE HORSES! I SEE ONLY WOMEN IN SILLY COSTUME!
Sorse Hex
I think the big missed opportunity with Brettonia is not really leaning into the "high fantasy Knights of the Round Table" angle beyond grail knights. They shouldn't have stopped at Pegasus knights or the occasional hippogrpyh. Knights should have been riding all kind of crazy mounts like magic lions or giant wolves. The boys given to the Lady should reappear as mysterious silent knights who never remove their helmets, yet wield blade and sorcery with equal skill.
They should have gone harder on the "more influenced by elves instead of dwarves compared to the Empire" angle, and had Bretonnian society be much more intertwined with magic since they don't have much technology. Maybe the peasantry manages to subsist off such meager conditions because their fields are just constantly being blessed by damsels to make the harvests bountiful and extra nutritious.
They shouldn't have retconned the possibility for peasants to become knights either. Let there be whole groups of absolute madlad farmers who decide that they're just built different, and grab a pitchfork, hop on the back of some extra large goats, and ride off to prove themselves worthy of knighthood. 90% of them die, but that last 10% manage to impress their lord and actually get raised to proper knighthood.
you know what? I totally agree
even in the real legends of King Arthur a knight has a pet lion and there's a questing beast monster running around. They need more creatures.
Ok, this could honestly be a good developing for Brettonia
If only the End Times didn't happen
And how about adding like some of the caricatures from the old medieval manuscripts as some creature, that was underground or something like that, as new troops?
Also snail knights, because medieval manuscript doodles are untapped potential
@mrziiz6893or donkeys playing trumpets from their asses
You clearly made a better lore than Games Workshop....🤩👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I was half expecting this video to be 5 seconds long with just the word Don’t lol
I would have given it a few views.
I expected the same thing.
Seeing it is 50 minutes rather than 5 seconds kind of surprised me.
I was expecting it to be titled “Don’t or Don’t - Bretonnia”
I'm so glad Bretonnia is a thing. Not because i like them but because the elf and empire lover gets so mad at them being a thing.
I think it's Teclis and Karl Franz he truly loves.
It's a shame how Bretonnia was never completed as a faction. Back in the day thanks to Andy Law revealing inside knowledge from his days at GamesWorkshop, he revealed Bretonnia was PLANNED and supposed to be expanded.
But for reasons they didn't. Bretonnia was supposed to be MORE than a medieval faction. They were supposed to be expanded with Fey. Yes, the Fey. Instead of going into gunpowder they were supposed to go into fey magic. Their armies would of consisted of the creatures from the Fey and their knights wreathed in Fey magic. Imagine an entire faction with aesthetics similar to the Green Knight accompanied by Fey creatures such as the Questing Beast.
It really sucks they will remain incomplete for all time. According to Loremaster of Sotek and Andy Law (former GW person) Bretonnia was supposed to be one of if not the most terrifying faction to ever have as an opponent. You would be fighting an entire nation of people possessing the power of their elven god together with creatures from her own realm (Fey). Imagine, knights with glowing eyes, wreathed in mist and magic charging at you with an unstoppable force. Horrifying.
@ReachStudioPro Basically, they wanted to go FULL arthurian legend, with Camelot and the Court of the Fey and all.
@ReachStudioPro
They kinda are already that though, just no official models or units in Warhammer total war 3 to represent that.
@ReachStudioPro I am now disappointed and angry we never got Fey Knights Bretonnia.
The term you're looking for with Bretonnia is "monolatry"- the belief in many gods but the worship of only one. It's a relatively rare but not unheard-of belief among actual, real-world religions. It was also especially common in ancient times, where cultures would generally believe that other peoples' gods were real but just thought that theirs were better.
Or, in the case of the Mongols and some other larger empires, they would pay lip service to every god their subjects worshipped as a sort of divine insurance.
Ancient Israelites and Joseph Smith jr. enter the chat*
A bit of this in the Old Testament. The followers of other gods are able to turn their staffs into snakes. Of course Aaron's snake is stronger than all of them combined **insert dick joke here,** but those other guys were not using the power of Yahweh.
@Maladjester2 kings 3 the God of Israel is defeated by Chemosh
@justiningham187 Having dealt all my life with christians who not only scoff at the idea of other gods existing, but can't understand the idea even if it's explained to them, I find this quite entertaining. Imagine if you told your next-door neighbor you worshipped Zeus and he was like, "Oh shit, a rival wizard! I better make sure my wards are up to snuff!"
this is basically how in the god of war franchise the gods are basically localized to whatever region worships them. its why the greecian gods had immense power in the game but that power didn't really go outside where the gods were worhshipped.
15:46 idk why i laughed so hard at the idea of some guys fighting a last stand in Estalia against Beastmen and suddenly a Calvary charge decimates the Beastmen while screaming “TO ARABY!!!” And one of the Estalian guys just breathing heavily goes “what the fuck was that?”
I used to think knights were whatever.
Then I saw 6th edition Bretonnia army book cover and realized knights are super cool. That's why I will always have soft spot for Bretonnia, even though I suck at using cavalry in Total War games.
Did you get better at using cavalry in Total War games because of Bretonnia?
The reason nothing ever changes in Bretonnia is because they give their horses noble positions and they always vote “nay”.
My finger almost automatically went to the dislike button. Excellent joke.
I can't play Bretonians because I don't think I can model a peasant running behind the knights with a pair of coconuts.
Actually, White Dwarf featured just such a converted army way back in 5th edition WHFB.
You mean *half* coconuts
*Don't or Don't - Bretonnia
Damn that's a good one.
Don't or do not was the original joke.
Right up there with knife-ears.
Look man. Bathwater is alright with a chaser on the side.
Non et jamais
They said the Lady did not exist. That the distribution of swords from lake damsels was not a sustainable political system.
Tell me now, heathens. If She is not real, if Her Light does not shine on the world.. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS MIRACLE?!
BLESSED BE THE LADY!!
To be honest Bretonnia is basically what a 'order' god equivalent faction to the chaos gods would be, which is neat.
*They (bretonnia) have a goddess that's literally present* or at least her power can be just as felt as that of the chaos gods to their followers, they even *have their one to one equivalent to chaos empowered champions (directly empowered by a divine power), the Grail knights themselves.*
So yes Pancreas, that super knight can absolutely cleave your precious steam tank with their holy blade like a hot knife through lukewarm butter!
It's wild that Brettonia can do this, but the elves have just never tried hard enough
Oh wow thats so cool mr super knight! Anyway, have your dumb castle reduced to rubble with artillery
@aprinnyonbreak1290 Humanity rules I guess
@aprinnyonbreak1290 probably too arrogant to ask for divine power, they think they can just get power themselves ig
@mrziiz6893 to be fair, they can
You've all heard of the Horus Heresy, now it's time to talk about the Horse Heresy.
Now now. Big D has shown nothing but respect and love to Horse...so far.
There will be A RECKONING 😠🧔
During end times, Bretonnia was wiped up in a civil war until chaos and the Skaven move into their land by wiping them out. It’s their fault by not modernizing in gunpowder and other ideas they should have done.
@valcanoman1829 Huh, seems on point. Imagine not advancing to yesteryear's tech and still somehow being heretical. I blame bestiality.
Brettonia is the most fantastical part of Warhammer because a core element of their lore is that being a simp makes you more powerful.
I'm pretty sure if IRL simps got to drink from their girl's Grail, they'd also power up.
Truly a nerd's power insert.
Isnt that just warhammer in general?
Simping to the gods for power. From Sigmar to The Emperor to the 4 tumors, to Khaine, we're all just simping for the power to kill gooder.
Its just that your object of worship is based and everyone else's is cringe.
Except the Tyranids I guess, they're just here for the local buffet.
They are the only nation or faction that has basically a direct line to their goddess, not even the high elves have that in that she will directly manifest before her followers. They are basically a; *"if there was an ORDER god(dess) run faction that acts as a counterpart to chaos".*
I am here to remind you that you are still owing us that Thanquol video, which you promissed us in your Gotrek and Felix video which came out on the 19.Aug.2022 and the promise can be found at 20:54 of that video.
I will continue to remind you in every video until you either acknowledge the promise or release said video.
Also how the f do we have a Bretonnia video before the best rat video?
keep at it brother, one day your devotion will be rewarded
Some horse must have bribed him with Karl Franz nudes, that is the only plausible explanation.
Reminds him yes yes. He cannot ignore forever, all‐time!
he seems to save a lot of his favorite topics for when he cant come up with ideas
Man-thing must must be reminded to make best rat video quick quick. Must supply more Warp Tokens if needed.
It should be noted that in all of The Lady of the Lake's official art her ears are hidden by her hair lol
Never understood the whole "their religion is a lie!" thing, like you're telling me that an elven god puts most of her attention into Bretonnia, and gives a bunch of them magical super powers, and she's an "elven" god? Like no, I don't see her turning any elves into space marines, she's a Bretonnian god lol
Yeah, I mean the, according to old Tilean texts, the original names of Manann, Rhea and Taal were Mathann, Ishea and Karnos. It's already generally accepted, at least academically, that there is *some* link between most of the gods of the Old World and those of the Elves. One member of the Gray Order of magic just says that Verena is just the human name for Hoeth. Is any of it true? Maybe, whos to say. But it dont gotta be a problem. If Isha can be Ishea, why cant Lileath just be the Lady?
The Bretonnian religion isn't wrong. The lady is by far the most active and generous god in the setting excluding the four chaos gods, boosting her chosen knights to the point where some of them can beat up a werewolf barehanded. Graal knights can fight and kill elves all week without losing the blessing, and she doesn't give any similar blessings to elves. The only false aspects of Lady worship is that 1) she is indeed originally an elven god and part of the elven pantheon, and 2) she saved Giles and became the patron god of his people for a reason. That reason being the better protection of the world tree that is the source of all life energy on the planet.
Found the horse molester
>Bretonnian hands typed this
@theshadowofclouds after the horse sessions most likely,that’s when they become more active
Agreed, why someone would be discussed at discovering this, is beyond me.
THERE HE IS. GET HIM!!
50 minutes on Bretonnia???
Are you okay Colin?
He's not the same after the hat incident
He's been kidnapped by horses
@100deadguineaupigs what hat incident?
Colin was offered a choice to wear the green hat as was asked or suffer endlessly
Green hat person has been counting down the weeks every livestream to peer pressure the pancreatic
His pancreas started working.
In my brain I at first read this as “Don’t do Bretonia”. I love dyslexia.
No, that sounds about right
You were reading the true subliminal message Pancreas placed.
Akshually, there used to be a lot more going on for fair Brettonia. They used to have one of the largest trade fleets in the setting, had very big cannons on their ships and generally their best to cosplay East India Company. Trade oligarchs were filthy rich, and their private armies were technologically on the same level as Empire. Naturally there was severe divide in society between such upstart bourgeoisie bankrolling the country and feudal lords sticking to old ways, with no end of cloak and dagger play. As well as in common folk, sailors and peasants were at each other's throats. But it was all retconned in favour of KNIGHTS KNIGHTS KNIGHTS. Such is the will of GW.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I find it incredibly funny that the long awaited Bretonnia video drops in the midst of the Umamusume craze.
Short answer: don’t
Long answer: do not
Essay answer: just do not ever full stop
In Brettonian: Neigh
Dos: don't.
Don't: do
@seelcudoom1 hotel: Trivago
Do not the horse
Bretonnia is the Canada of Warhammer Fantasy. Their strongest defense is being located next to a much more powerful neighbor, and they refuse to commit to being either English or French.
Lmao
LMAO
Bretonnia has won most battles against the Empire
burn
I mean, you could look at where Brittany is on a map, and who the Bretons were. They're just solidly French.
I can understand the distaste for them. But the drip is immaculate man.
Most of your tabletop critiques are, for the hard core Bret fanbase, actually pros. We *liked* being the underdogs in 7th and 8th edition. We *liked* being predictable and relying on cavalry charges to win. It made the games more tactically challenging, and when you scored a win you knew it was because of superior play and not cheesy nonsense like spamming Purple Sun looking for double 6s in 8th edition.
That's obviously not the play style for everyone, but having a more restrictive army list and lack of updates pairs well with the chivalrous mindset of Bretonnian players: we will *still* defeat our enemies through courage and valor alone, and when they are run down they will know that it was because they were outplayed played by a 'weak' army.
My favorite 8th edition competitive memory was when my lance of Grail knights killed Kyros Fateweaver. The look on the chaos daemon player's face when his netlist of broken magic bullshit fell to my Duke's heroic killing blow was priceless. It's moment like this that Bret players cherish and play for.
Describes the coolest thing literally ever as if it was a downside
And forgets to mention how cracked dukes and Pegasus knights are on tabletop
I have a feeling you didn't make this video willingly, blink twice if theres a horse threatening to shatter your skull
Can't wait to see a video that's just one giant "Don't" segment.
Seriously I'm surprised colin isn't secretly a bretonnian peasant who's been traumatised by his time there at this point.
I mean he is presumably a human who is obsessed with elves which is accurate to Brettoniana culture and he is also always concerned about the mistreatment of the peasantry and mistreatment of horses so it would make sense
Don't or Don't - Bretonnia
It also irks me to no end that they conflate peasants with serfs. Peasants were freemen and sometimes even owned land. Everyone also in cities were peasants.
48:57 youtube aint giving you any money for this one Pancreas 😭😭😭😭
Good.
*FOR ZE LADY!!!*
Despite Mr. Can't handle a Snickers bar and his constant slander towards the Chivalrous Knights of Brettonia, I Still declare FOR CHIVALRY AND FOR ZE LADY!
Have a good day mr. Pancreas.
I also love elven women :D
FINALLY! SOMEONE ELSE WHO DOESN'T HATE BRITONNIA!!!
@vicenteabalosdominguez5257 Who told you the name of my beloved horse?
Bretonnian fan rise up!
Cant believe we got this before the Thanquol video
Welcome to Warhammer Fantasy we have:
Orks that are mushrooms!
Elves made of bugs!
The Fren** but they're human!
Repanse de Lyonesse: folds her arms and taps her foot offscreen
The recent overwhelming success of Uma Masume: Pretty Derby on Steam seems to suggest that Bretonnia as a faction might have a more wideapread appeal after all.
38:15 it is stated in the end-times books that Lileath choose the Bretonnians to be the guardians of her new world because they were the most qualified. I repeat: the ELVEN GODDESS believed that the ELVES were not good enough to protect the new world.
and before you ask: NO, I do not know which book this fact was stated in. And nothing you do will convince and/or force me to read those god forsaken literary excrement that GW calls books.
What is more arrogant than an elf? An elven goddess. The elven goddess just admitted her own people are inferior to Bretonnian knights.
@PhilosophicallyAmerican what is more arrogant than an elf?
Re: a magical Fr*nch knight
I mean, it kind of makes sense. Bretonnians basically follow two rules: Protect what you have and dont try anything weird.
They are stagnation incarnate. Usually this would be a bad thing, but since they dont have any problems whatsoever with one another, this means a world entirely populated by bretonnians would just be.
Of course you can argue we'd just recreate the conditions medieval knights faced before gods truce and gods peace (both are basically reforms created to prevent knights from causing mayhem due to boredom).
End times is also retarded and nothing in it should be taken out
Well maybe she should’ve chosen someone else, because we know enough Elves survived that they had decent numbers in AoS’s prehistory (Their descendants would later mostly be the City Aelves, and some of the founding members of the Khainite cult), but none of the horse molesters survived in any particular quantity.
A part of the Bret lore (from the 5th ed Army Book) that sticks in my head is around the original LoL encounter by Giles. Giles said "Lady, bless my banner!" and then the rest of his retinue got in on the idea too - "Lady, bless my shield" "Lady, bless my sword" "Lady, bless my warhorse"
Wait...what...? Did one of the knights try to dunk his horse in the lake??
I think his horse was washed with the water so it became a super horse
Aren't the direct descendants of that super horse among the most prized breeds of steeds in the kingdom? (Might've read it somewhere but can't remember where)
Giles encountered League of Legends, truly a dark day.
@nerdyvids1 That's actually what happened to Bretonnia in the End Times. They all started playing League of Legends, and all the gods were so disgusted that they teamed up to instantly erase Bretonnia from reality, hence why there is no Bretonnia-esque faction in Age of Sigmar
I like the idea of Bretonnia quite a lot, but they always felt a bit undercooked to me. I went in hoping for a high fantasy alternative to Reikland's pike and shot. Besides the Arthurian aesthetic I never really felt like they took advantage of that - I was imagining mystic warriors on the backs of mythical beasts, the spirits of fallen knights invoked and leading the charge into the enemy, but barring the pegasus knights and the likes of the green knight they haven't been given much in that category. I think they need a lot of love, because I always wind up going back to the High Elves because they do what I was picturing for Bretonnia a lot better than the Bretonnians.
Also I really hate how their societal lore has been inconsistent between editions. Pre 4th-ed Bretonnia it was a weird feudal meritocratic system where only the righteous reigned, and then they pivoted hard in the other direction making all the peasants inbred worm-eating slime that can barely farm let alone anything useful.
I treat them like Votann in 40k. They got a book, a model release, then nothing for years, then the setting died.
Most factions just got new lore and expanded upon with each army book. Bretonnia still had their 6th edition book from 2003 when WHFB was traded for AoS. So they were just left to languish for so long, while shoehorned into a grimdork tone that was poorly explained.
They definitely need to lean into their fantasy aspect. And play with the balance of peasants/knights in armies more than “these guys don’t get in each others way regarding leadership.”
If the writers eased up on the grim derp about Bretonnia and taken some inspirations from of actually how medieval societies worked then we would have much more colorful faction. Imagine if Bretonnia had an actual middle class and organized church. Imagine if the knights would actually keep retinues of armed men they would supply and train to serve as either the core of the infantry that can be actually relied on or as competent support cavalry.
@OnlyDeathIsEternal A lore concept Id love to see stolen for Bretonnia comes out of Legend of the Five Rings. while like Bretonnia the Average Peasant of Rokugon is not allowed to own weapons some Lords will allow there Peasant levys to Keep the arms and armor Issued to them so when the time comes to Levy the Pesents they are already equipped, the lore blurb on this discusses how these times are seen as marks of great pride by the Peasants who go to great lengths to keep them ready and maintained and will train with them to the best of there ability, furthermore these Items remain with the Family after death with there care being handed down as Heirlooms and generations of the families Lads (or Ladettes) will train to answer there lords call. sure they may still suck compared other infantry, they still have to do Peasant stuff the rest of the time and don't have Formal training but they aren't a bunch of poor sods being rounded up as unknowing cannon fodder either. Also this should have at least been the lore for Longbow men from the beginning any way come on GW your a British Company
@RoninofFire I know the old questing beast of arthorian lore has been said to be a best of lust(the lust for glory and reputation), slannesh having a presence could be interesting.
They could do something with whatever happens to the boys who get sent to the lady.
Internal factions, some seeking to stay true to the old ways and others seeking to modernise, similar to their neighbours, could be a decent internal conflict.
Religious squabbles like the endless catholic and Protestant conflicts could be interesting.
Another point about Bretonnia just not getting love concern total war warhammer. To my knowledge, they're the only faction without their good units being regiment of renown. Their best is the questing knight which isn't even close to being their best unit. That and their campaign mechanic is just atrocious.
Pancreas, since The Old World is becomming a very promissing ttrpg, I have no words for how incredible it would be if you made an introductory video to it. Something I could show my soon to be players saying "here, watch this, you'll have the basis for this game"
Let's be honest, you're the only man who can do this properly.
P.S. - I've tried to support you but google pay is f*cking with me. I'll try later again.
I get he doesn't like brettonians but every negative thing I'm like yeah this is why I love them they're JUST king Arthur
8:16 in old lore it was actually kinda funny how you became a knight. 4E was the height of a kinda feudal meritocracy.
If a village needs a knight the fairest maiden would issue a quest.
Anyone could attempt the quest and notably the children of the former knight still had to do the quest rather then inherit the title.
This did open scheming from the villages I.E send the less desirable knights to fight impossible odds so a more desire one could be sent to kill a meddling rabbit.
A duke or king could appoint knights but the wording seemed to be more in dire situations.
This lasted a single edition before it jumped into grim dark
And for this I will eternally seethe.
Yeah, 5E Bretonnia was much more interesting than "Dung Ages peasantry living in squalor while the nobles congratulate each other on how virtuous they are setting # 478", but it was evidently just not grimderp enough for 6E-era Games Workshop.
The irony is that the other "order" factions had some of the 6E grimderping wound back, but in Bretonnia's case, that never actually happened. Most of the stuff that makes them relatively sane such as the taxes going back into feeding the community as a whole and the whole wink-wink-nudge-nudge thing about the nobles pretending they don't know that the navy has cannons as long as the sailors don't make it so obvious that they have cannons that the nobles look foolish came out of the RPGs trying to apply some, well, sanity to the whole thing. The 6E army book played it so straight that it makes the flipping skaven look good in comparison, because at least the higher-up skaven are honest about how greedy and treacherous they are while the lower-level skaven have SOME prospect, however small, of meritocratic social advancement.
@Draxynnic
Probably because meritocracies inevitably turn into just another exclusive hierarchy, as in compounding advantages within families or certain groups happens and wealth accumulation over generations leads to those from said groups being way more likely to succeed and will eventually occupy the vast majority of available positions because they are so privileged.
A pheasant's child might have an untapped talent at fighting, but the noble's child has been afforded YEARS of training and development that makes any raw talent mean zero which means the noble's child will likely succeed in becoming a knight, and this compounds over time because the wealth and privileges already afforded to the nobles means they can afford to spend more time getting better at fighting. A meritocratic system cannot address inequalities such as wealth accumulation and the fundamentally unequal power dynamics between peasants and nobles.
@Draxynnic
Also I miss the less 'good' and less squeaky clean order factions, especially the empire's not so flattering lore. Warhammer Fantasy nowadays basically firmly places order factions and characters into basically the good guys role with little room for any overt evilness. It is now unthinkable to have a order antagonist, let alone a villain order one because apparently all order factions and characters are expected (or more like wanted by fans) to just be chill with each other and NEVER do any war crimes towards each other or have imperialistic ambitions that leads to conflicts between them.
Kinda why I find the few human vs human wars mentioned in the lore so interesting because 90% of the lore about wars is all about humans vs X monsterous faction.
@navilluscire2567 Meritocracies usually do have structural inequalities for the reasons you cite, yes. In fact, I'd say that was baked into the fact that I used Skaven society as a meritocracy - nobody sane would ever consider that to be fair or desirable, the point was that 6E Bretonnia almost made the skaven look good in comparison because the skaven are honest about how bad it is. It's possible for a skaven to rise through the ranks through merit, but the odds are very definitely against it
But here's the thing: 6E Bretonnia doesn't allow peasants to advance even if they did demonstrate that, for all their structural disadvantages, they could fight on the level of a knight. This has happened - on rare occasions, peasants who performed some feat of truly impressive valour have been knighted, so technically it's possible, buuuuut... It's also indicated that no such individual survived their first battle after being raised to knighthood, in a manner that strongly implies that they were done in by the established knights in the chaos of battle. Skaven will regard another skaven who's rising through the ranks as a threat, yes, but they might also see them as useful and there probably wouldn't be universal agreement among the rising star's new peers that said skaven needs to be killed ASAP. Pretty much every established Bretonnian knight, however, seems to agree that any "jumped-up peasant"'s only value is as the recipient of a shanking.
A meritocracy where in practice most people don't advance because it requires being born into wealth to get the training and resources to have a reasonable chance to get into the positions where you can build wealth is still better, if only by a hair, than a society where even if you do manage to make it it's guaranteed to just get you killed.
Pancreas thinking it's annoying that something is arrogant while completely convinced of everything he likes and dislikes as absolute truth is excellent self awareness I must say.
He hates it but he is them.
I mean, he likes Tomb Kings, Elves, and Nagash. I don't think he finds arrogance annoying. I think he dislikes unearned arrogance.
@stratigangames508
They haven't earned their arrogance? (The bretonnians?)
I don't think it's that deep.
@stratigangames508
And Bretonnia's arrogance is unearned how? I know he tries to sell them short due to his personal grudge but he even admitted that Bretonnia is far from being pushovers and rightly stand up to plenty of threats in their history. So what exactly is unearned arrogance?
Should I remind Karl Franz that his Empire owes much of its existence to Kislev being the bulwark against the bulk of Chaos's forces? Or that the Empire owes its tech to the dwarves? Or even how the orks coming from the Badlands have to first go through the Border Princes who definitely soften up the orks, limiting the destruction they could unleash on the Empire? Or how the Empire owes its magical education to the elves which without they'd still be getting wrecked by Chaos invasions even more so without the wizards of the colleges who again, owes their existence to the elves?
To me it sounds like the Empire has unearned pride in things it didn't do on its own and very much heavily relies on others literally giving them aid or else copying what other factions do.
Listened to the Lore negatives. I can safely say that I will not be joining my fellow Elf Simp in hatred of Bretonnia. I love me my noblebright knights, hold the newer lore. Now if only I can replace their horses with Dragons. Dragon Prince Grail Knights would be fucking sick.
Truth be told, I think that's the direction Bretonia should have gone. While the Empire is developing as a Steampunk Rennisance, Bretonnia should be going all in on High Fantasy. Maybe a non-End Times timeline has Lilieath not be a total bitch and Bretonnia becomes close to the High Elves over a shared faith.
I agree, I like them but they do need something else. I believe giving them various mythical creatures to use as mounts in addition to their horses would be great.
Honestly, I'd also scratch Lileath and keep Ladriel as one behind Bretonia, because that was End Times invention
@JurassicReptileboth Gryphons and Pegasi are a thing in Bretonnia.
@JurassicReptile
There's *"questing beasts"* which are based of real, weird medieval manuscript illustrations of various creatures based on; mythical creatures, symbolism through the grotesque, funny gags (like the giant snails fighting knights) and even real animals.
(but twisted by the artist's imaginations because they never saw these animals in person only based on descriptions)
But yes, I would agree that even more mount options for knights would be nice!
Actually for the questing beasts sometimes a questing knight once they can tame such mythical creatures (which may or may not be basically daemons of the Lady of the Lake)
they usually will receive an audience with the Lady herself and may even get to keep the questing beast as loyal steed when they ascend to grail knighthood.
Why not also making the grail knights using giant swords?
You know, Gatsu's Dragonslayer giant sword caliber
I imagine that bretonia is the breadbasket of the old world.
With their agrarian style and general peace. They probably produce most of the grain on the market.
This would also mean that the capital of the empire is relatively close to the breadbasket helping it support it's massive urban population even if they get raided every 5 min.
Always remember, Saltzpyre was horrified that the people of Bretonnia bathe regularly.
Edit: Y'know what would really help Bretonnia? Just a better unit variety, and more... For lack of a better term, disagreement within their faction.
For example;
Dragon Knights. Just, imagine a Grail Knight atop a dragon. 100% dope.
Stag Knights. "Oh, hey, ze elves ride stags. SO SHALL WE!"
Some form of trained archers. Perhaps two or three variants? One normal, one with better gear, and one with stealth skills? Like the Wood Elves' Waywatchers, Deepwood Archers, etc.
For the "Disagreements" Section?;
Leadership that says, "Okay, but what if...? Proper training for a core unit of foot soldiers! The Men-At-Arms could be true warriors! Also, I'm 1000% yoinking Ballistae from the Dwarves"
Overall, them keeping their overall aesthetic and focus, but borrowing more from their neighbors, particularly the elves, would be the best overarching outcome, I feel. A decent imitation of Elven Archery combined with their already great Cavalry and just broadening their unit types and count would be great.
So you're essentially saying that for Bretonia to not be samey, it needs more tools in their toolbox - as for knights on unusual mounts, what about absolutely massive snails? For infantry, it would be nice to see a bit of townfolk representation, possibly a better protected levy or with better ranged weapons, possibly crossbows with odd handcanone
@Jfk2Mr Basically, aye. Also, I would die of laughter at the massive snails. ULTRA-slow, but super tanky and practically immovable. Ranged acid spit, and Mortis Engine Effect for Tier 4-5 versions of them.
what about horse riding human cavalry?
@jeromemartel3916 "To był koń na białym rycerzu, na białym rycerzu był koń..."
I will say, you did an excellent job of holding in your bias for the first half of your video. That's more than most people can do, so I must commend you for it.
Oh look! He beat that Bretonnia player in Old World at last!
For being a fan of Elves, you have butchered the lore of their intertwined history with the land of Bretonnia.
Originally, the crazy magical forest of Athel Loren covered all the lands of Bretonnia. The great invasion of chaos happened.
At first, the Elder Forest Spirits fought well, turning back every invasion.
Then winter arrived, and the tree spirits went to sleep. The demons took advantage of their forced sleep to burn as much of the forest as they could, killing every dormant Tree Spirit they could find.
By the time the great Vortex of Ulthuan was formed, the forests of Athel Loren were cut down to about a fifth of their original size, and only 3 Elder Tree Spirits were left.
(2 of them were Durthu and Coeddil)
Bretonnians are people who heard the "A magical lady living in a lake who hands out magic swords isn’t a proper form of government" meme and STILL decided to make that there form of government
Bretonnia has room to grow without losing it's identity.
New religious peasant roles, anti-chaos/anti-mage relics and legendary horse characters, for example.
Oui, croissant.
Un-hun-hun
le baguette
Reimagining the Warhammer bretonnians as the elvish inspired human nation that mirrors the dwarven inspired Empire as you proposed sounds like an upgrade. Also making their noble houses and royal family inbred half-elves would add the grimdark flavor.
I dunno I like the grim darkness being the brutality of feudalism. I kinda love the blessed nobility who genuinely believe they are born better than anyone else despite having to earn their blessings
@beowylfen A fantasy human nation where the ruling class is made of half elves still is based on feudalism. Their ruling class enjoying longer lifespans and a better affinnity to magic but their obsession with preventing the elven blood on their lineages to dilute they would be horribly inbred.
@beowylfen That *is* fun, but it should probably be juxtaposed by the fact that these knights *are* chosen on the basis of purity and the like. They should legitimately care about the peasants even if they don't believe they're equal. If they hold them in contempt than "protecting the innocent" sounds more like something approach not from a position of true religious conviction but with the idea of getting more chivalry points.
Inbred half elves sounds like an oxymoron.
So... Lorent from Anbennar?
Something, something Pancreas is confused about Umamusume
I was thinking it's suspicious this video comes out now of all times
Wonder which character would be his favorite if he had to choose?
@navilluscire2567 T.M Opera O or King Halo, certainly not because their egos are well deserved and have the same size as nagash. In all honesty, I can see him going for Vodka tbh
thanks bro u becoming my fav warhammer channel. jus started reading fantasy, was a 40k maxi before that. so many good books n lore in fantasy.
I defaulted to Bretonia because my intro to Fantasy was Total Warhammer and I thought Repanse looked cool, and I decided I loved her because she was always shouting her own name which was hilarious to me. It wasn't until like 2 100 hour campaigns later I realised every character kinda does that. Still have a soft spot for horsey boys, but I'm on team funny skeletons now.
I may not like the Horse-Lovers very much, but I will admit: that Pegasus Knight at 26:20 looked pretty damn cool!
I've actually been reading the knights of Bretonnia omnibus, and so far, it's pretty good. It's not gonna stop me from making fun of the bretonians, but it's still a good book.
Bretonnia strikes me as a faction that started originally as the cavalry faction, to be expanded later on. Since the faction wasn't nearly as popular as the Empire, Elves, Orks, ect, so they just never got that development; so remained "they do horses good."
I will assume Pancreas made this video because Umamusume finally reached the west
Now do the Empire of Reman 😭
Colin frothing in rage after finishing editing this vid, i expect an elf vid or two next for a palette cleanser.
Honestly I like that the Bretonnians appreciate their mounts. And horses have historically been treated better than humans, and rightfully so. And the alternative of the Bretonnians treating their horses like the Amish do would just not make for good looking models. But than again I am also someone who gets confused when people do not agree that all that is required for happiness is a good horse on a nice trail
I recently realised Skavenblight's location in the Old World is around about where Monaco would be in the real world. Which makes sense
27:53 *starts tweaking*
Hey boss, blink if you are strapped to a stockade and have a stallion behind you
At about the 8:50 mark of the video the captions call it Ratonia instead of Bretonnia. That is all, have a good day!
Skaven foreshadowing
At last, he finally surrenders to the greatest faction in fantasy
Second best after the elves
@Mkrause762Skaven disagree.
@engelostermann7203third
@Mkrause762 the elves' own gods disagree lmao
@engelostermann7203third
It's official folks. He's truly run out of ideas.
he could always make more chaos videos, that's when he ran out of ideas
Still waiting for do or don’t sisters of battle
@Enclave_Qhuhe still has good ol 40k aliens to make videos on. And let me tell you, there's alot of them.
@leonelimalevu2199 Besides the Tau, the Farsight Enclaves, the Craftworld Eldar, their sociopathic cousins the Dark Eldar, their Amish cousins who don't have an army (the Exodites), the Necrons, the Orks and the Tyranids, all of which he's already made videos about? Most of the other Xenos we hear about in 40k don't even HAVE models on the tabletop, let alone full blown armies in their own right.
I find it sad that GW can’t come up with interesting lore and play styles for Bretonnia. All they would have to do is have a Bubonic Plague like event that kills a bunch of peasants when an orc invasion happens. This would force the knights to spend their time fighting off the invasion with heavy losses since there are few peasants to fill the army ranks. If the grail knights are the reason Bretonnia survives then maybe the grail knights allow crossbows and early medieval gunpowder weapons to help the peasants in their fight. After all, Grail knights have no reason to fear these weapons due to the blessing of the lady. In order to get more grail knights, being a grail knight could be open to peasants, which prompts grail pilgrims to partner with questing knights to form large adventurer pilgrimages. Concerning technology, maybe they focus more on windmills and waterwheels as their source of power and have magically enhanced versions of these, in a primitive industrial way.
lol, as a Bretonnian fan I laugh at the jokes at my own expense, don’t care if Pancreas hates my favorite faction I can laugh at the jabs he makes cause I find them absolutely hilarious! If I can take a joke so can everyone else, lol, LMAO! 😂
To be clear. I like my dumb pony boys for a few reasons.
1- regular human with magic sword is cooler than gun.
2- cavalry is cool
3- the hate just makes them more fun.
The biggest thing that puts me off Breotonia.
1- pegasus and hippogriffs are as vanilla as monsters get. A general riding a lion, wyvern, or manticore would be a hundred times better.
It'd be funny if they rode the wood elf mounts.
I agree, they need more monsters to use as mounts. Imagine knights on sea serpents, hydras, chimera or basilisks
@JurassicReptile could be a good conquest mechanic with the breeder special building.
Basically lets you recruit a limited unit with a special mount if youve conquered the right territory. And the breeder increases the cap and decreases upkeep.
@JurassicReptilewhen I was first getting into Warhammer at 12 year old I'd just read a book with a royal manticore and I wanted a knight on a Manticore so bad.
(Looking at the rules I'd end up killing more of my own units I'm sure)
@justhecuke This brings to mind what happens to the male Bretonian mages. Depending on lore, they either become elf slaves, personal knights of the Lady, or were implied to be elf pleasure slaves. So in 1/3 interpretations of the canon yeah, they did get wood elf mounts... and were also mounted by them too. I do get the impression that the Bretonian magical boy switch stuff was probably more of a silly meme than a serious answer tho.
You know I genuinly assumed this one would be like 30 seconds long and just be "No, dont"
For the bit
I was wondering why my feet were cold today. Hell froze over.
Bretonnia could keep the outdated military tactics thing going if they went full on Bannerlord style with various medieval units. it just needs more things like crossbows and properly trained peasants forming mercenary bands with actual respect from their noble class, i don't understand why has to be just knights, trebuchets weren't the only siege weapons used, they were effective at doing long range sieging yes but catapults and ballistas also got their uses sometimes. it's like they took the most boring parts of both Frankish and English folklore instead of looking at actual medieval stuff. Heck you could go wacky with the Blessed Bathwater thing and invent things like holy hand grenades or trebuchet charges that deal holy damage or something on anything corrupted by chaos, but no, its just "Space Marines on Horseback"
Truuuuue. Note though, that last thing you mentioned is actually a thing. The Blessed Field Trebuchet. An artillery weapon. So at that point, could we have some blessed bows? Or that holy hand grenade or ballista. Or just, more stuff. Even if you want to lean more into the magic than the technology there's plenty more you can add to a Medieval Europe army than holy knights.
Yeah Bretonnia has just missed a lot of opportunities by using long range weapons like trebuchets, catapults and ballistas, even having their properly trained peasants be in mercenary bands from their noble class armed with crossbows. Why not have them riding on mythical beasts would be interesting?
I'm surprised to see there's an actual video, a fairly fair one at that. A surprised to be sure, but a welcome one.
In my last campaign of WFRP.
Two centuries after the gates were closed, magic now much more tame,
but the greatest change is the republic of Bretonnia,
a highly industrialised contry that absoltely hates magic and elves.
to be fair, I will give an argument for something I hate, stating the few things I like about it (unless it's irridemable such as the atrocity that is velma) to make my hate of something more justified
Omg uma musume reference
Gold ship vs beaquis isn't even close 9/10 golshi sweeps with her signature drop kick followed by unrivaled aura farming
Thank you for seeing the light and joining the french. Also happy birthday
I genuinely thought he wouldn't do it. And 50 minutes on top, damn. This man really doesn't know how to fight cavalry
9:40 the teeth on that horse..
I'm surprised this wasn't a 2 minute video consisting of "Don't!" followed by an ad roll, then finishing up with "No, really...just don't."
16:43 Not to go full "Uhm Actually", but that's word by word the definition of Henotheism, not Monotheism.
Whats the difference?
@ThomasHogan-b7w monotheists deny the existence of other gods, henotheists acknowledge other gods exist but only worship one. Like the difference between Christians/Muslims and Jews. Jewish practitioners usually won't deny the existence of other gods, they just only worship theirs
@Burgerzaza no jews are monothestic for a while now. You are correct that judaism at one point was heno, but its been monotheisc since the times of jesus
@Burgerzazait would be better to compare them to Athenians. Who worship Athena but believe in the existence of Zeus and the others. Judaism is monotheistic now though its origins are henotheistic.
They know about the other Gods, but don't consider them God's. Christians believe in moloch (the Bible talks about him as if he is real) but don't see him as a fellow god to their Christ, they see him as just a demon, an evil spirit.
Bretonnia on Total War WH 3 with the Radius Mod overhaul is absolutely broken. It gives them absolutely insanely powerful high tier infantry (two of which are tier 5 PEASANT UNITS), and insanely powerful cavalry to the point one of their tier 3 cavalry absolutely destroys the Empire’s tier 5 cavalry.
Oh! It also gives the Green Knight a tech tree that makes him damn near close to a one man doom stack and buffs the crap out of the army he’s attached to.