Best win condition I've ever used: 1. Run any tribal deck that uses black and blue like wizards or zombies. 2. Play innocuous value tribal creatures that aren't threatening so nobody removes them. 3. Play Liliana's Contract as some "value card draw". 4. On the end step before your turn, cast Artificial Evolution targeting Liliana's Contract and change "Demon" to whatever your tribe is. 5. Cackle Maniacally
Small correction on Mikaeus: Walking Ballista will not win the game with him without a sacrifice outlet. As he gives a +1/+1 bonus to all non-humans, Ballista becomes a 1/1 that will return to play with a counter. It can ping itself to die and come back again for infinite ETB triggers for stuff like Altar of the Brood, but it cannot take out opponents without having a sac outlet to get it off the board.
@@sclyze Nah, it must kill itself, cause through the wizard it gets to be a 1/1 and undying. But that`s no problem, if ballista has two +1/+1 counters on it
My Aminatou deck is 100% based on Approach of the Second Sun. Moving through your top deck is so easy with her that once you cast it, you can typically cast it next turn or same-turn if it's later in the game.
I remember putting some of these in my decks a while back. All I ever got was “combos are so cheap” and a bunch of whining. I got sick of it and just dropped them. Some people really need to run some counter magic.
My play group literally is all combos and counterspells XD I have to tell people to bring out toned down decks because we are always running death pods
I've gotten my playgroup to not use combos or a whole lot of counters. We run board wipes and targeted removal, but almost no counters. It's made games so much more fun. So many interactions and decks with really cool themes. When decks go for counters and combos, every deck just turns into 30ish lands, 2-3 instant win-con combo cards, and 60ish cards that only serve the purpose of tutoring for the 2-3 win-con cards or countering/delaying the game until I draw the win-con cards. Those games are just boring, at least for me they are for me and my playgroup. We're very happy with our current decks.
You didn't mention, but worth noting, the best combo I've seen lately with Aetherflux is Bolas's Citadel. You keep paying a bit of life to cast your cards but you net more life each time. If you can get a Sensai's Divining Top you can just loop it for infinite.
I had a hilarious deck that won with Powerstone Shard + Mechaned Production + Rain of Hailfire. To put the power into perspective, X = 16 if you have 4 shards (mechanized production creates a new copy each turn), which ramps exponentially (e.g. with 6 shards, X = 36).
Lab Jace is often played as a 2nd copy of Maniac in dramatic scepter builds, and I definitely see him quite often, I wouldn't disregard him completely. Otherwise, great list, but I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention the aforementioned dramatic scepter wincondition. Scepter is a hell of a card!
Omniscience is a win con. Once it comes down just draw cards (which is easy in blue) and play all of your cards for free. You dont need enter the infinite. If you can draw any amount of cards it can snowball out of control very quickly.
I run a sidisi deck with mana rocks and lots of tutors, everyone hates me when i do the mike and trike or exquisite/sanguine blood combo, only weakness is it takes me 4-5 turns to get the combo pieces and i basically have no early game board presence
Simic Ascendency is really easy to pull off in the right deck. Just have at most 10 counters on your creatures and slap down a galloping lizrog. Easily the cheesiest thing I have put in my decks.
I feel that Jokulhaups or Decree of Annihilation should be considered as win conditions. Any deck that runs those two has a plan to win before opponents can recover
Jhiora of the Ghitu is the perfect commander for that strategy. Have a couple Eldrazi with annihilator or Jin-Gitaxias on suspend so they will never be able to recover.
I was playing in a game with a copied Thieves Auction, no one wanted to spend a 1/2 hour drafting a new board, only to do it again. Everybody scooped, dude won. Having the other 3 players forfeit is a win condition lol.
I play five color dragons for commander with The Ur-Dragon as the commander. In that deck I have Sarkhan the Unbroken. If I get lucky and have doubling season and Dragon Tempest I ult Sarkhan and grab all my dragons!
Lathliss,Dragon Queen + scourge of valkas + archwing dragon and ultvara hellkite dragons enter more dragons from lathliss ping from scourge dragons attack enter more dragons from ultvara more ping from scourge add hellkite charger and savagemaw and you've got a near infinite Mana and attack combo that closes out a game quick.
I kinda feel like cEDH and Casual were misrepresented in this video. I don't know how familiar you are with cEDH, but it feels like this is just a "Your favorites" and not the "best".
Because Bolas Citadel stalls out when you hit lands. Ad Nauseam put them in your hand for free. Then continues to get you value. In a low cmc competitive deck is easily pay 5 mana draw: 40+ cards, cast combo/tutor, and win.
I pair Hailfire with the IXL artifact that turns to a land which adds X mana where X is my life total. My friend nearly flipped the table when I told him I get 40 black manna and I wanna cast X=48 Torment :D
Me and my friend made one for EDH. Its allright but very defensive and casual. Even with alot of ramp its a long game. Best commander is "Golos, tireless Pilgrim" for a gate deck. Won a few games. Cards like ghostly prison, propaganda, strong blockers. But carefull for landdestruction.
No Kiki jiki/splinter twin with resto angel/pestermite/deceiver exarch? Or Niv Mizzet Firemind/parun with curiosity/ophidian eye. Also 10-8 are not necessarily win cons . For #10 omniscience is actually a better win con then Enter the infinite . play omniscience then play Enter the Infinite then win the game. 9 and 8 are just way too mana reliant. they might get you to a good state, but unless your opponents are already low on life not gonna do a heck of alot. for #6 you also need a follow up also angels grace does not work because you are not taking damage for ad nauseam its loss of life.
ad nauseam is kind of defunkt now, with bolas citadel replacing it because its a permant instead of a one time effect, its instant speed, and it CASTS the card instead of putting it into your hand so better in every way and only cost 1 more mana
N O. AdNauseam remains at least 3 times better than citadel as a card. If you are having more success with citadel it just means that your deck is built more around that than AdNauseam
my decks wincon is a prototype portal with mindslaver and an extreme amount of mana ramp and artifact tutoring. you can control an enemy for 10 mana but with infinite mana combos you can cotnrol the whole board. and i just need 2 artifacts for unlimited mana :)
@@brettgibson1014 I run it in my Ur dragon deck and it's killed many a people especially when I'm holding up guttural response ;). It doesn't always need to be your creature that does that damage.
Christian Kuczkowski dramatic scepter by itself usually generates infinite mana with no real card advantage or change to your opponent's boardstate/life total. So I wouldn't consider it a wincon, so much as an untap engine
@@deathkitty23 you are pretty much talking shit. How the hell dramatic scepter is NOT a wincon when you are playing a mana sink commander such as Thrasios, Tasigur or even something like Circu or Niv mizzet? And tell me how ADNAUSEAM is a wincon and not an enabler?
@@deathkitty23 Yeah win con is a very subjective term. I don't particularly think that discounting the best infinite mana combo in the game is fair when a forbidden orchard token could be classified as a wincon.
also cedh players are going away from using lab or jace weilder because its a dead card. cedh is all about having wincons the u can also cast and do something. in simple terms cedh win turns like this. create infinite mana, draw ur whole deck then win. or dump ur whole deck in graveyard and win.
Actually quite wrong, labman/labjace actually is seeing a lot more play now after dox engine got banned, since its a very compact combo (2 cards) and the tainted tutors are also quite versatile
@@hnjahnjah sorry if i disagree with you. i play both casual and cedh. what shitty is playing for 3 hrs of casual and 1 guy got killed of 1 hr in the game so hes watching 3 people play for 2 hrs doing nothing, in cedh if someone win we just go play again. so in 3 hrs we get to play 3-4 games.
I can tell by just about every sentence you say about cedh, that you haven’t looked at the top tier deck lists recently at all, and you just sound overall uninformed. Food chain does not really compete with protean hulk nowadays for example.
I can tell you that food chain is indeed still a highly valuable card in the cEDH format. It is still played in decks that are tier 1 and 1.5. The most recent notable one being The First Sliver and the classic General Tazri. I have also brewed a list with Prossh, Skyraider of Kher that filters the mana with Verdant Eidolon to cast any spell, not just creatures. It also has a sub combo win using Necrotic Ooze or Worldgorger Dragon. It is more of a toolbox combo deck. Less focus, more fun.
@@brettgibson1014 If you are refering to my comment, Pithing Needle (Spyglass too) is No, but Phy Revoker could as it can name a nonland. So i apologies for going off faulty memory.
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Best win condition I've ever used:
1. Run any tribal deck that uses black and blue like wizards or zombies.
2. Play innocuous value tribal creatures that aren't threatening so nobody removes them.
3. Play Liliana's Contract as some "value card draw".
4. On the end step before your turn, cast Artificial Evolution targeting Liliana's Contract and change "Demon" to whatever your tribe is.
5. Cackle Maniacally
Small correction on Mikaeus: Walking Ballista will not win the game with him without a sacrifice outlet. As he gives a +1/+1 bonus to all non-humans, Ballista becomes a 1/1 that will return to play with a counter. It can ping itself to die and come back again for infinite ETB triggers for stuff like Altar of the Brood, but it cannot take out opponents without having a sac outlet to get it off the board.
Can we pin this comment?
Doesnt he get 2 +1/+1 counters. One from his own ETB and one from undying?
What? It does go infinite with these two cards.
Doesn't the ballista just die after removing its last counter and come back with a counter?
@@sclyze Nah, it must kill itself, cause through the wizard it gets to be a 1/1 and undying. But that`s no problem, if ballista has two +1/+1 counters on it
My Aminatou deck is 100% based on Approach of the Second Sun. Moving through your top deck is so easy with her that once you cast it, you can typically cast it next turn or same-turn if it's later in the game.
If you are not running the Etb blink combo its wrong
Hey I'm just starting to brew with er as well. Do you mind sharing your list so i can see where you went with it?
i was once dealt 120000 something damage by a guy with a craterhoof that got copied i think 12 times with 100 0/1 eldrazi scions
How did he copy the craterhoof?
Mirror March and Krark's Thumb would do that fairly reliably on craterhoof hitting the field...
Ever died of infinite squirrels?
@@MforMovesets squirell token deck im guessing?
I remember putting some of these in my decks a while back. All I ever got was “combos are so cheap” and a bunch of whining. I got sick of it and just dropped them. Some people really need to run some counter magic.
My play group literally is all combos and counterspells XD I have to tell people to bring out toned down decks because we are always running death pods
I've gotten my playgroup to not use combos or a whole lot of counters. We run board wipes and targeted removal, but almost no counters. It's made games so much more fun. So many interactions and decks with really cool themes. When decks go for counters and combos, every deck just turns into 30ish lands, 2-3 instant win-con combo cards, and 60ish cards that only serve the purpose of tutoring for the 2-3 win-con cards or countering/delaying the game until I draw the win-con cards. Those games are just boring, at least for me they are for me and my playgroup. We're very happy with our current decks.
Oh god I have a group like that and it pisses my off because sorry that I play to win
You and everyone else that replied to your comment happen to be wrong one way or another 😂. Funny how that works.
@@brettgibson1014 k. Thanks for your input.
I once had someone torment of hailfire for 50, and no one died because they forgot everyone else had just drawn 50 cards off of a prosperity.
my favorit win conditions are the ones people hate the most like avacyn + world slayer like you can try fight back but you havnt got many turns.
i play soul of new phyrexia + worldslayer in my xantcha deck hahahah
You didn't mention, but worth noting, the best combo I've seen lately with Aetherflux is Bolas's Citadel. You keep paying a bit of life to cast your cards but you net more life each time. If you can get a Sensai's Divining Top you can just loop it for infinite.
I had a hilarious deck that won with Powerstone Shard + Mechaned Production + Rain of Hailfire. To put the power into perspective, X = 16 if you have 4 shards (mechanized production creates a new copy each turn), which ramps exponentially (e.g. with 6 shards, X = 36).
yisan deck wins with Craterhoof, by recasting it and bouncing it back with temur sabercat.
Lab Jace is often played as a 2nd copy of Maniac in dramatic scepter builds, and I definitely see him quite often, I wouldn't disregard him completely.
Otherwise, great list, but I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention the aforementioned dramatic scepter wincondition. Scepter is a hell of a card!
Omniscience is a win con. Once it comes down just draw cards (which is easy in blue) and play all of your cards for free. You dont need enter the infinite. If you can draw any amount of cards it can snowball out of control very quickly.
Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace + Omniscience = Amazing combo
I don't see Rise of the dark realms. It's not competitive wincon, but it's a good one.
I love running beacon of tomorrows with enter the infinite. Take infinite turns to let you play what you need to win
I run a sidisi deck with mana rocks and lots of tutors, everyone hates me when i do the mike and trike or exquisite/sanguine blood combo, only weakness is it takes me 4-5 turns to get the combo pieces and i basically have no early game board presence
i had a fully tribal zombie tematic, mikaeus deck and got it robbed :c it still hurts to this day
I’m new to MTG this is a great video thank you
Simic Ascendency is really easy to pull off in the right deck. Just have at most 10 counters on your creatures and slap down a galloping lizrog. Easily the cheesiest thing I have put in my decks.
Try realm seeker with that.... 0 to 20 in one turn most the time
Use Vorel if not as commander one of the 99 he can double the counters on simic ascendancy on the end step prior to turn.
Isochron scepter dramatic reversal???
I feel that Jokulhaups or Decree of Annihilation should be considered as win conditions. Any deck that runs those two has a plan to win before opponents can recover
I never lost a single game i resolved Jokulhaups. Its always win LoL
Jhiora of the Ghitu is the perfect commander for that strategy. Have a couple Eldrazi with annihilator or Jin-Gitaxias on suspend so they will never be able to recover.
@@jonathonvargas3476 i like that commander but she feels slow to me. I used it mainly in Neheb the Eternal
Christian Kuczkowski I disagree, she’s a three drop and her activated ability cost two colorless.
@@jonathonvargas3476 yes and 4 turns...
I was playing in a game with a copied Thieves Auction, no one wanted to spend a 1/2 hour drafting a new board, only to do it again. Everybody scooped, dude won. Having the other 3 players forfeit is a win condition lol.
I want that behemoth so bad. I have a decent mana ramp deck so if i have Avenger of Zanderkand out with my good dozen mana that be amazing.
Torment of Hailfire should be XXBB or XBBB. It’s just too cheap. It’s good even if you only cast it for like 3 or 4
I see a ton of cards I thought are banned in Commander... since when is Protean Hulk allowed in anything?
Protean Hulk got taken off the banlist for good behavior.
Since when is aetherflux not a cedh wincon? Tymna thrasios? Urza? Yidris?
Mirror March plus any card that deals damage
I play five color dragons for commander with The Ur-Dragon as the commander. In that deck I have Sarkhan the Unbroken. If I get lucky and have doubling season and Dragon Tempest I ult Sarkhan and grab all my dragons!
Lathliss,Dragon Queen + scourge of valkas + archwing dragon and ultvara hellkite dragons enter more dragons from lathliss ping from scourge dragons attack enter more dragons from ultvara more ping from scourge add hellkite charger and savagemaw and you've got a near infinite Mana and attack combo that closes out a game quick.
No mention of high tide jace with aetherflux or enter the infinite? It's pretty nasty and very competitive.
"competitive"
I kinda feel like cEDH and Casual were misrepresented in this video. I don't know how familiar you are with cEDH, but it feels like this is just a "Your favorites" and not the "best".
Yes
@@CommanderVoid Ah... Makes sense
please do a updated video of this please
Why would you play Ad Nauseum when Bolas' Citadel has the same effect except you get to cast the card?
Because Bolas Citadel stalls out when you hit lands. Ad Nauseam put them in your hand for free. Then continues to get you value. In a low cmc competitive deck is easily pay 5 mana draw: 40+ cards, cast combo/tutor, and win.
So many reasons.
I pair Hailfire with the IXL artifact that turns to a land which adds X mana where X is my life total. My friend nearly flipped the table when I told him I get 40 black manna and I wanna cast X=48 Torment :D
Azor's Gateway
@@zackkelley2940 Yes
Cool video! Missed purphoros though
You missed triumph of the Hordes
Hi, I was thinking about an end of the labyrinth deck, is it a good win condition in commander ?
Me and my friend made one for EDH. Its allright but very defensive and casual. Even with alot of ramp its a long game. Best commander is "Golos, tireless Pilgrim" for a gate deck. Won a few games. Cards like ghostly prison, propaganda, strong blockers. But carefull for landdestruction.
Gray? You mean Gary.
False cure/tainted remedy + becon of immortality? :^)
I love the tainted remedy + beacon of immortality combo. I won a game that I basically had no chance of winning if it wasn't for this combo.
Saheeli Rai, liquid metal coating, and Urza, lord high artificer combo for infinite mana then play Enter the infinite. Instant win.
No need for enter the infinite even. u can just activate Urza over and over
Most of this is not win conditions but cards that help with the standard win condition
Aweosme vid! Thanks for sharing more way for me to torment* my opponents
No Kiki jiki/splinter twin with resto angel/pestermite/deceiver exarch? Or Niv Mizzet Firemind/parun with curiosity/ophidian eye.
Also 10-8 are not necessarily win cons . For #10 omniscience is actually a better win con then Enter the infinite . play omniscience then play Enter the Infinite then win the game.
9 and 8 are just way too mana reliant. they might get you to a good state, but unless your opponents are already low on life not gonna do a heck of alot.
for #6 you also need a follow up also angels grace does not work because you are not taking damage for ad nauseam its loss of life.
Torment of hellfire is an auto counterspell or teferis protection
Or Narset's Reversal
Test of endurance angel deck
No scepter? Weird
Dream halls enter the infinite Is way better if you have the counter magic present to deal with other people's lol
ad nauseam is kind of defunkt now, with bolas citadel replacing it because its a permant instead of a one time effect, its instant speed, and it CASTS the card instead of putting it into your hand so better in every way and only cost 1 more mana
Plus it combos so well with Aetherflux Reservoir
N O. AdNauseam remains at least 3 times better than citadel as a card. If you are having more success with citadel it just means that your deck is built more around that than AdNauseam
Not correct sir
Lolz I won with hellfire tonight X=24 then copied it 2 times for a total of 72 triggers.
my decks wincon is a prototype portal with mindslaver and an extreme amount of mana ramp and artifact tutoring. you can control an enemy for 10 mana but with infinite mana combos you can cotnrol the whole board. and i just need 2 artifacts for unlimited mana :)
Tainted strike/triumph of the hordes
Tainted strike? That's really more of a jank em out card than a win con
@@brettgibson1014 I run it in my Ur dragon deck and it's killed many a people especially when I'm holding up guttural response ;). It doesn't always need to be your creature that does that damage.
Rip paradox
Where a Niw Mizzet ?
Aetherflux resevoir's bff is Karlov.
Aetherflux reservoir + phyrexian altar + gravecrawler was my wincon
Dave Richards or krick with bolas citadel, aetherflux and senseis
@@timmaximilian9286 Too bad Krik is terrible
Its sad that you included cluncky combos such as enter the infinite, enxanguinate/torment thing and craterhoof and didnt dramatic scepter
Christian Kuczkowski dramatic scepter by itself usually generates infinite mana with no real card advantage or change to your opponent's boardstate/life total.
So I wouldn't consider it a wincon, so much as an untap engine
@@deathkitty23 you are pretty much talking shit. How the hell dramatic scepter is NOT a wincon when you are playing a mana sink commander such as Thrasios, Tasigur or even something like Circu or Niv mizzet? And tell me how ADNAUSEAM is a wincon and not an enabler?
@@deathkitty23 Yeah win con is a very subjective term. I don't particularly think that discounting the best infinite mana combo in the game is fair when a forbidden orchard token could be classified as a wincon.
Christian Kuczkowski ad nauseum is an enabler, just because I said you're wrong doesn't mean I agree with this entire list.
Christian Kuczkowski and in certain commanders it can lead you to a win, but that doesn't make it a wincon.
also cedh players are going away from using lab or jace weilder because its a dead card. cedh is all about having wincons the u can also cast and do something. in simple terms cedh win turns like this. create infinite mana, draw ur whole deck then win. or dump ur whole deck in graveyard and win.
Actually quite wrong, labman/labjace actually is seeing a lot more play now after dox engine got banned, since its a very compact combo (2 cards) and the tainted tutors are also quite versatile
And that's why it's the shittiest way to play edh. But yeah, you get to show off all your expensive cards like mind sculptors, cliques and such.
@@hnjahnjah sorry if i disagree with you. i play both casual and cedh. what shitty is playing for 3 hrs of casual and 1 guy got killed of 1 hr in the game so hes watching 3 people play for 2 hrs doing nothing, in cedh if someone win we just go play again. so in 3 hrs we get to play 3-4 games.
@@rhozpogi thats how i feel when people aim me first and then proceed to play 1h battlecruiser game
@@hnjahnjah I hate your opinion.
Mikaeus, triskellion, get kicked out of gaming group. GGWP
Pretty deece
Aetherflux reservoir needs to be banned
I can tell by just about every sentence you say about cedh, that you haven’t looked at the top tier deck lists recently at all, and you just sound overall uninformed. Food chain does not really compete with protean hulk nowadays for example.
einzGoobit that sounds like conjecture on your part.
I can tell you that food chain is indeed still a highly valuable card in the cEDH format. It is still played in decks that are tier 1 and 1.5. The most recent notable one being The First Sliver and the classic General Tazri. I have also brewed a list with Prossh, Skyraider of Kher that filters the mana with Verdant Eidolon to cast any spell, not just creatures. It also has a sub combo win using Necrotic Ooze or Worldgorger Dragon. It is more of a toolbox combo deck. Less focus, more fun.
foodchain should be banned 🙄🙄
You can Needle it, blow it up, etc
No?
@@brettgibson1014
If you are refering to my comment, Pithing Needle (Spyglass too) is No, but Phy Revoker could as it can name a nonland.
So i apologies for going off faulty memory.
@@fearanarchy I wasn't reply to your comment lol😅 I just don't think that food chain should be banned because you can needle it, blow it up, ect.