"What An Overpay"
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- Nhl playoffs 2024 - Vancouver canucks vs nashville predators has been one of the most interesting series even before the brock boeser hat trick comeback win elias lindholm goal overtime winner , but now game 5 in vancouver has a special aura to it. 2024 stanley cup playoff games have been tons of fun so far, and I've got a feeling this one will be a must-watch. Elias lindholm trade revisited calgary flames vancouver canucks news nhl highlights today . For continued coverage of nhl playoffs highlights mostly vancouver canucks edmonton oilers toronto maple leafs boston bruins but will cover every nhl playoff team , stick with us here. Vancouver canucks playoffs
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Anyone who has been paying attention will have noticed that Lindholm has been playing very well in Vancouver. Yes,he hasn’t been scoring a lot,but since he has recovered from injury,he has been a force in the face off circle and his defensive game is on point as well.
Plus his defensive game has been consistent with the Canucks even if his offensive play hasn't. Tocchet always has him out there killing penalties and defending the lead in the last minute so he clearly has trust in Lindholm. Kuzy couldn't do that.
I think "good defensive game" goes in one ear and out the other with the sort of person who complains about Lindholm. Some people just don't understand why that's good, how it impacts the tone of a series, and the sorts of wins it enables. They don't look at the way the Canucks keep winning games with like half the SOG as the team they beat. How is that possible? They are good in their own zone without the puck; they minimize high danger chances, break up plays when the other team tries to get fancy, and force them to shoot when the goalie is ready. Lindholm is arguably their best forward at this. Myers, who gets a lot of heat from the fanbase, has been doing a lot of this type of work with his telephone pole as well. But the complainers glaze over and forget those plays immediately.
All his critics seem to have slinked off back to hide under their beds. Some of them were calling it the worst Vancouver trade ever. EDIT: one thing I have noticed about his game since he got here, even though he has not scored much, he has consistently been an absolute pest, always dogging the opposition forwards. May not make the highlights but he has been very effective.
Once he came back from injury he’s been really solid.
He played poorly til he was taken out for injury . Huge overpayment. I hope they don't sign him for over 7 mill. He's not worth the cap space.
Lindholm is a hell of a player, most people just look at stat line but he does everything well. You have to realize that playing a few year's in the NHL takes it's toll, and he was just a bit beat up this year. Now he's starting to play the way he can play.
Can say similar about mittlestadt. A lot of people said hes a 3C and Colorado was foolish for nabbing him to fill their 2C hole to fix the johansen problem. Now mitts is centering the line that has carried them through round 1. Literally outperforming mackinnons line(because drouin is hurt and the jets are focused on silencing mac). The ammount hes stepped up for his first playoff games is genuinely impressive. I dont even think fans that were very familiar with him saw that coming, hes been a joy to watch in playoff hockey and its such a treat that we get to watch him more.
Artturi Lehkonen has huge role on that, he help Mittlestadt to be better.
@@tonir87 honestly the work ethic of the entire group has done it. Lehky is just another result of the same ethic.
I think what people fail to recognize as well is just how significant this trade is with the disappearance of EP40. Imagine not having a centerman in Lindholm while EP40 is going through his current slump. Your next best centerman after Miller would be Blueger.
EP40 got paid that is why he floating..
Great point! That would be a dire situation if lindholm wasn’t here to fill the shoes
@@user-vv5yx8qu3r He 'got paid' a month after his slump started though....
@@awakener_1647 thanks and yes agreed!
Lindholm has turned it on since the end of March. He has 4G-4A -- 8 Points in his last 10 games (Reg. Season + Playoffs) and is playing fantastic defensively and on faceoffs. Honestly, I think him resting up his end of season injury has done him wonders, because he looks like the player from Calgary a couple years ago.
We saw everything in game 4, a third string goalie, a hat trick, a Patrik Stefan, and a leaf worthy choke
I say this as a Canuck fan, to be fair to Sissons, that play within itself was nowhere near a Patrik Stefan level goof. Stefan had no pressure and nobody was actively checking him.
@@CanadaBlue85 fair enough, but he still missed the net
Lindholm was exactly what the Nucks needed atp. His experience and leadership on the ice has kept them in striking distance in all of the games of this series so far and will be huge if they get to round two and further.
Just like when the islanders traded for Palmeri in 2021. Everyone was saying it was a horrible trade until he was a MONSTER in may and June. Dude killed the pens in round one and has been a consistent good player for us every since
As a pens fan I hate him he always turns into prime Wayne Gretzky against us
bill payed in full in nashville in game 4.
i think lindy and big Z have been solid all series
He was the reason for the game winning goal in G1 and G4. He's also the reason at least 3 great chances for Preds were denied. He's on fire right now.
This entire video rides on the distinct possibility of them being ousted in the 1st round. Remember, NSH had a 3-1 lead they pissed away to lose game 4. That series "should" have been 2-2 at that time, but it's now, 3-2 VAN.
Vancouver isn't as much in control as people tend to think they are. I'm not denying credit to Vancouver for tying that game late, with little time and winning in OT. It was commendable. What I am saying though is, Nashville is more in control than the numbers appear to show right now, and they are going back home for game 6.
All things considered, NSH "should" be up 3-2 in this series, but they are not. Those are the bounces. In short, just don't expect NSH to be doing VAN any more favours like that, and to be extra keen on making sure of it.
Vancouver still has momentum, but game 6, is essentially must-win for them. A team with such little experience in playoff adversity as them, going back home to play game 7 against a veteran, and solid Nashville? Well, I don't like their chances in that showdown.
So, ya, if Vancouver pisses this series away, and Lindholm leaves in the off-season, well, all those comments about overpay, will have been correct. Too soon to tell just yet.
Edit: I should state, I'm not trying to rustle any feathers. Not trying to get a rise out of anyone with this comment. It's simply my take on it. I want Vancouver to win. We need at least 2/4 CAN teams moving on.......... I hope. 🍻
I'm from Montréal, lived in B.C 7 years. GO CANUCKS GO!!!!!!
I loved Kuzy, but he just didn't fit with Tocc's system for whatever reason. That said, not only has Lindy had some clutch goals, last game he was 75% on faceoffs. That is huge in the playoffs. Canucks love their set plays and those don't work unless you win the draw.
He didn't fit because his defensive awareness was low.
I’d say he was just in a slump. Petterson since all star break seems like he doesn’t fit
He slays faceoffs. It's the little things he does well.
but still I miss Kuzy's offense, but for team sake we need Lindy more at this point, dude is huge on faceoffs
Round 1 four games in: 2 goals 1 A. All of his pts were turning points for the game. His 1st goal was to set the initial run of the first game, huge momentum swing. His forecheck that led to Joshua’s goal which was 12 seconds after they have scored the tying goal to take the lead. His pass to Boeser to get within a goal in game 4. Then we all know, his OT winning goal. He is very smart and matured player. Definitely need him for this post season run.
After last nights game Lindholm is worth every penny. Your assessment is ahead of its time. He might be the difference maker in this series
love how u kept some receipts of people saying over pay
I never doubt Lindy for sec I knew his usefulness will come and it did last game.
As a flames fan i couldn't be happier with the return. Lindy was completely checked out.
sucks to see my 2 fav teams eliminate each other in the 2nd round, but its gonna be a fun series
As a Flames fan, I'm really enjoying watching Lindy and Zadorov this playoffs.
Kuz will become a fan fav wherever he goes, that’s just who he is. But I always liked Lindy and it’s kinda unfair to say he’s not worth it based on his regular season when he’s been dealing with trade rumours and then injury. Even his teammates said that he played completely different when he came back from the few weeks off- I think that comment came after his first game back against Arizona. I hope we can go far and see him make more impact.
I'm a canucks fan, was all in since the 90's as a kid, 2011 ruined it for me quite a bit and when they blew it up I knew I'd have to wait, after last year's shit I was so ambivalent I couldn't care less...now, I still haven't watched a full game, just bits and pieces maybe, and wouldn't you know it? They're probably going to go hella deep, what a shocker...
Lindholm was always good when he arrived in Vancouver, in the faceoffs and defensively. Points wasn’t there, but now how he’s playing in the playoffs is making this trade look worth it.
I was definitely losing out hope for the regular season but we all know this is when it matters to rise up. The line of Lindholm, Garland and Joshua have been clutch for us.
Game one, Lindholm gets the puck on a great forecheck and Garland delivered silky passes on both the 3-2 goal in GM1 and the OT goal in GM4
After that goal...hard to argue..
On a different topic it’s unbelievable there’s been only 2 OT games in this year’s playoffs. I’ll bet there’s never been so few this many games in.
Am I in the twilight zone?
In the NHL, (according to all media and fans), there is only one team that overpays their players and that team is the only team with salary cap issues.
All other teams pay their players half as much and have plenty of cap space.
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Lindholm is great, but Kuzmenko lives rent-free in my head
Kuzmenko doesn't win games. A passenger.
@@grahammcfadyenhill9555not in calgary... kuzy been way better than lindy since the trade...
the other thing with lindy is he is insanely good in his own end and awesome in the face-off dot. the guy plays a rock solid 200ft game which is why his value theoretically peaks in the playoffs.
Good analysis. At face value, it was still an overpay, but as a hockey trade gearing up for a deep playoff push, it makes perfect sense. His production so far isn't anything to write home about, but the timing is chefs kiss. Further highlighted due to Petterson going MIA. He also does all the little things right. As Nucks fans, we can't expect PPG year in year out. IMO, he's good for 40-45 points and would be perfect as our 3C. I hope he re signs at a reasonable price.
The 2 prospects didn't want to sign in van so it was trade them or lose them for nothing. But that last game made the trade worth it.
How do you know they didn't want to sign?
How can you know this
@@Krazyness we were trying to get brustewic signed but i guess he wanted to wait or something idk. i think thats what made them expendable. and jurmo we werent' gonna sign anyway so he was just a throw in.
@@alexwinter3272 Talked with them at the Roxy over a tequila soda
Brzustewicz wanted to go to a team where he could be their Quinn Hughes. It was implied in a couple interviews. He’s a 3rd rd draft lol. Jurmo is likely a fringe NHL player.
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People think that points are the only thing that matters. No, Lindys Defensive game and faceoff winning were the main reason we brought him in, sure the points are a good bonus from him, but where he shines is the defensive game and how good he is in the dot, especially in the d zone.
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This is definitely a win win Lindholm wasnt 100% whej we got him know u can tell his speed grittyness and dont quit attitude was worth the prospects and first
Kuz wouldn’t have done anything under tocchet. Lindholm has been great this playoffs and I’m very happy with the trade
Can you talk about this stars team ? Insanity !
Should’ve included his insane assist on boesers second
The Lindholm trade was a big over pay for sure. It becomes less of an over pay if the Canucks go deep into the playoffs, and becomes even less of an overpay if they can sign Lindholm for the same kind of money he is making now. He definitely makes the Canucks a much deeper team and a threat to every other team out there.
Go Canucks Go
How about something related to the Canucks vs. Oilers in NHL history... only 2 meetings ever.
Saw this video a mile away lol
Would love to see more rangers content and your honest opinion of them after the sweep
He's a UFA on July 1 and I hope the Blues sign him and Zadorov(or Demelo off the Jets) then we'd finally have a team that can compete. Although giving up that much I can't see how they don't resign him.
The player himself will confirm whether he was a good or bad trade, his on Ice Performance will be the ultimate test.
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I believe vancouver will inevitably win their series, but i dont think its gonna be as easy as everyone is making it out to be. They had a real good 15 mins the last game, sure, but that doesnt erase the god awful 45 they put up prior to that and almost got the series tied. They are also leaning on an unexperienced tendie which can go both ways in the playoffs. Its either gonna be a lights out tn, or this one i will probably go to 7. Hell of a series thus far
Kuzmenko was a player Tocchet never trusted and was always going to be a defensive liability in how he wants to play. He may score more points and a number in meaningless games. But Lindholm is a way more complete and serviceable player in a variety of situations. I'd take the downtick in pure offense numbers if there's an increase defensive reliability any day.
Kuzmenko was one of very few players in VANCOUVER that had minus (and the only forward with minus, at the time of the trade). Meanwhile most others had 10+, even some 30+, 40+
When suggesting overpay while speaking about the Canucks, you're talking about the wrong Elias. Lindholm is built for the playoffs, Petterson not at all.
They also aren't paying attention to who they gave up. 1st round pick in the 20s is meh. Kuzy simply would never see the ice in the playoffs Jurmos likely a fringe NHL guy if he even ever makes it and Hunter is a 3rd pairing PP specialist at best. They really gave up a lot of quantity but didn't give up any quality. Didn't give up any of their top 3 prospects
He also setup boeser to make them go within 1
I believe contenders do need to “overpay” to get the assets they need, but how they do in the playoffs determines how much of an overpay it truly was
I am honestly surprised that not more hockey people have been covering the Canucks. Before the season expected to finish near the bottom or last in the season to the playoffs. It's like everyone is sleeping on them.
And they still are sleeping on us. Now nobody thinks well beat edmonton if we move on
Overpay in the NHL should Be Called a Mathew. Just like losing at home in the Playoffs for All Sports. Should Be called pulling A Maple Leaf. Lakers last Night Pulled a Maple Leaf losing at Home in The NBA Playoffs.
I still maintain Calgary got a decent haul for Lindy and it did look like the Canucks got screwed. But the final nail to determine that would be the playoffs.
And I think people forget just how hard Lindy worked during the Flames' 2021-22 run. The guy put goals in 3 of our first 4 games against Dallas, and assisted in that crucial Game 5 where we were down 1-0 for so long. Most notably, who helped set up Johnny's game 7 winning goal? Lindy. Fires it on Otter, puck rebounds off to the corner where Johnny has it all to himself.
The man may not be an All Star, but he doesn't give up and will be in the slot when you need him. We saw that in this most recent game. If Canucks go far, Lindy's grind is gonna contribute.
'The man may not be an All Star' ..Last I checked, He was..
@@BikJTube Yeeeeah cause they totally didn’t send him to the All Star game with the hope of bumping his trade value while players like Coleman and Kadri were having much better seasons :/
@@MidnightScout It's funny that you think Calgary actually has that much power , hockey operations selects the players and fan voting after..Still doesn't take away the fact that he's an All-Star.
Kuzy wasn't going to work out for the Canucks anyway. We're a systems team now, and he's a talent player. Almost uncoachable. Lindholm on the other hand, is practically a scientist.
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I'm a huge fan of koozie I bought his jersey the year he came and I cheered for him right till he was traded but that's as far as it goes because everybody comparing Lindholm to him is a joke. With all these people seem to gloss over it and forget to tell you when they say that kuzmenko has scored more more than lindhome is the fact that half of cosmicos goals came against the shittiest teams in the league 32 and 31 in the league. And the last two goals he had in Vancouver were also against one of those bottom dwellers. So to be honest with you look Lindholm with a different perspective knowing this about Kuzies game. He's a great player but he's got more holes in his game than Lindholm is showing
Haven’t seen such a big hockey smile on the OT winner since no teeth Bobby Clarke.
So far, LIndholm is money in the playoffs.
I don't think I've ever heard a funnier joke than "the Flames won that trade" 🤣🤣
We overpay for Peterson at the moment
It was still an overpay for a rental. If he signs with Vancouver then it becomes a better deal.
At the end of the day what will determine whether it was worth it or not is if the Canucks go far or if he signs with them.
CGY didn't fleece VAN. Lindy got what all rentals have been getting for years. Canucks got Lindy to win the division and do damage in the playoffs. So far so good. CGY got what they want ans VAN what they want.
Been saying since the trade happened, Kuzmenko will score a bunch because there’s no pressure to win and no structure in Calgary
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I don't recall precisely but I'm sure many people said that there was a massive overpay for Jeff Carter when the Kings got him in 2012. What a bust he was for LA...
It was a bit of an overpay. That being said canucks are usually overpaying while not even making the playoffs, so ill take it
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Not only that, Lindholm's 2-way game is way better than Kuzy. As a Canucks fan, we all love Kuzy, but the 200 foot game goes to Lindholm every day. He finished 15-5 in the face off circle as well.
Overpay? There’s no way Kuzmenko would see the same ice time or be deployed in the same situations as Lindholm has been
If Kuzmenko wasn't working with Van's system then it's not an overpay. Lind has upwards of 70% in the faceoffs this playoffs, 2 goals and rarely turns over pucks. Kuzmenko was getting healthy scratched. Anyone who thinks it's an overpay isnt paying attention
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Kuzmenko would have scored 10 goals by now
Homer alert
On a more serious note, Hughes is not a captain material.
It was a win win for both teams. Kuz wouldnt be seeing the ice in van in key situations. He is a great offensive player which will aid the flames. Im happy for the guy, hes such a good character. Its too bad we wont have the money to sign Lindholm after the season, but I think the Canucks always viewed him as a back up option if they couldnt sign Petterson
Now is exactly why we traded for him
Lindholm is great, but one piece in a hot/cold team like the Canucks is not Stanely cup ready. Even if we beat Edmonton & Dallas or Vegas, we'll never, ever beat the Bruins. I foresee a riot in Vancouver again!
I want the Oilers Canucks series and I want it to go to six or seven games, then I will cheer for whoever wins it in the WCF against I am assuming Colorado or Dallas. I want the Oilers Avalance rematch bad.
I would love to see an Oilers Canucks series, not the Oilers win mind you, but I think we can all agree one one thing. Anyone but Vegas.
@@SteveAngelis Anyone but Vegas agreed
As a capitals fan I want the canucks to go all the way.
Kuzmenko would of done nothing in this series. Would be 2-2 or even maybe 1-3. Amazing trade
The guy is walking away and that alone makes it an overpayment. I don't care what he does in playoffs. We're not getting far with Pettersson playing like crap. Lindholm refused 8 mill with Calgary at almost 30 of age. Basically we gave away kuzmenko, 1st pick, defensive prospect, another prospect and the 4th. Massive overpayment which with Patterson signing , possible hronek ( marshmallow) overpayment will come back to hunt us. Serves the management right for pressuring Bambi into signing the contract. Could've had him for millions less, trade him or give him qualifying offer. He wasn't going anywhere. Same as Lindholm, gave too much for a few months of renting the same. People are still fooled to believe that we can achieve to win the cup. That 4th game was the worst game I've ever seen from Canucks. Hughes was hit constantly, we couldn't do anything without him entering the o zone. That game alone was a proof that without Hughes at his best we're just helpless. Hat off for not surrendering and pulling an impossible. The management in opinion rushed thinking they can win the cup in one year after sucking for 10 and more years. They just want money, charging $2000 and more for one freeking ticket. The owner doesn't care about the cup.
STILL way over pay IMO. If Lindholm keeps scoring big goals in the playoffs and we aren't eliminated soon, then maybe it was an OK trade... but I'd still rather have Kuzy and my draft picks back
I see smoke and mirrors. Connor is a great goalie, but he’s not great under pressure, this is twice in a row now. The Jets’ defense is good but they can’t stop the juggernauts of the Avs or Golden Knights. Maybe some defensive restructuring is in order, they definitely scored enough goals to win most games
What? Lindholm is playing against Nashville. The guy will most likely disappear in the second round against Oilers like he did in 2022. Whether Vancouver overpaid or not for Lindholm is irrelevant.
What a joke of reffing in the jets vs Avs series’s
We overpaid Petey not this dude
If the Canucks don't win a cup here and/or Lindholm doesn't resign then it's a massive overpay, there's literally no other way to look at it. Him scoring a garbage (albeit clutch) goal doesn't change that. However, contenders overpay at the deadline to try and win, that's how the market has always worked. It can be an overpay and still be a good trade for the Canucks, they're not mutually exclusive. Flames are already happy with the return, if Lindholm works out and the Canucks are happy then who gives a dam if it was an overpay or not?
Lol, garbage goal. What game were you watching?
@@Electricalphil Right. LOL..That was clutch buddy! Up top where mom keeps the peanut butter!
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Theres a different level of fans which makes "media" weird. You have the casuals who know they don't know all that much, The casuals who think they understand hockey but haven't played or tried to learn the systems, and former players & true fans that understand the psychology behind trades and not just what the numbers mean. Guys who can identify holes in rosters. There's a lot more casual fans which is why their opinions are echoed more it seems, but i feel like any actual fan of the sport can just judge a trade immediately and know the winners and losers. Look at the rangers and Andrew Copp, Nobody understood why but the guy is a playoff dog. That definitely plays a factor into why a team needs him.
Petey the softy is overpaid , 25 year old 11m next year and contributing like Ovi the grandpa
Lindholm was an overpay, and they did get fleeced. I'm not sure at all he'd be doing that well without his linemates. He's barely noticeable, and on the third line at that (his linemates sure are noticeable) and is losing mass face-offs. Something that was supposed to be his specialty.
What he is doing, that mitigates all that, is he doesn't panic. No panic means timely goals. Timely playoff goals.
If they win the cup, the rental was worth it.
Bro stop getting your hockey iq from looking at goals and assists.... and ACTUALLY WATCH HIM PLAY!!!! for a FULL game.
He's one of their top 3 players. he's doi g everyrhing right. The scoring will follow automatically if he continues to do these things. worth every penny. Vancouver won this trade by a landslide!!!
Canucks have been terrible 5 on 5. The top paid guys have been garbage throughout these playoffs. Do something 5 on 5 and not on a PP or have an extra man
kuzmeko is shite. 13 of his 14 goals with flames came against non playoff teams. actually, they almost all came from games vs sj, ana, and ari. on the year i think he scored only a couple goals vs playoff teams. in spite of a rough start in van, lindholm is 10x the player kuz is and it has been shown and will be shown. too many pundits dont know jack. look at the goals vs real teams, look at adv stats look at history. yawn
last 11 games for kuz...when flames were out and no one gave a poo:
9 goals in 11 games...pretty good...but:
2 vs stl (non-playoff)
2 vs ana (lol)
1 vs sjs (lol)
3 vs ana (see lol above)
1 vs ari (same every year lol)
0 vs winn
0 vs edm
0 vs lak
0 vs van
0 vs sj (well, cant score on them every time)
mf scored 1 tap in goal based off of a nashville mistake + 1 floater that saros should have had and now he's not an overpay and canucks won the trade. ok XD
Lmao, thinking Van will get past the preds they're lucky its 3 -1 for them preds are going to pump them next game.
I think they will,they've been playing pretty poorly the whole series and still getting the wins.
Eh I think it’s curtains for the preds tonight.
Settle down, the Cancuks had the easiest first round matchup in the West. Lets see how they do agaisnt Mcdavid and Draisital.