A Very Un-British Bus: The Story of Rome's 1960s Fiat Double-Deckers [Italian Bus History]

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  • @danieleregoli812
    @danieleregoli812 2 дня назад +11

    OMG Jeffrey, this is REALLY hitting home with me❤
    The beautiful AERFER double decker was extensively used in my hometown, Florence.
    It was one of very few cities alongside Rome, Naples and Bari I think to make use of this quirky yet beautiful design.
    They were fondly loved by all, and the local transport company even tried to salvage one at some point in the 1990s.
    I managed to enjoy a couple of rides in the '90s when the one restaured example was put in use on a semi-irregular heritage line.
    Some of the images shown in the video are actually from the ATAF buses used in Florence.
    Thanks SO SO MUCH ❤❤❤

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +2

      Hello! I'm really glad you liked the video! This bus deserved a video of its own! Trying to translate the information I found may lead to some 'issues' in information, but I did the best I could. Most of the photos I found had no location, unfortunately, so it was a bit difficult to tell exactly where they were taken. Great to hear the public really loved these buses! Must have been great to ride these! Thanks very much for watching again!!

    • @danieleregoli812
      @danieleregoli812 2 дня назад +2

      @@JeffreyOrnstein Oh Jeffrey, it's a fantastic video!!! no 'issues', just kudos!! Keep up the great work.
      The AERFER buses were fun for passengers, although really noisy. Also, they seemed to emit A LOT of sooty, black smoke. They were apparently NOT fun for drivers. Especially trying to navigate the narrow streets and sharp bends of Florence!

  • @geoffbuck6890
    @geoffbuck6890 2 дня назад +5

    Up to your usual high standard Jeffrey, thank you.
    Loved the pic of the subject DD alongside the PD2.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Thank you! I'm really glad you liked the video!! Wish I knew more about that PD2! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @robertmatthews8302
    @robertmatthews8302 2 дня назад +3

    Thanks Jeffrey for another fine informative video. 😊
    As a London bus enthusiast, I cannot get to like the slanting upper rear design.
    I just think of it as wasted space !

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! Really glad you found the video interesting! I think the rear slope was just for looks, LOL. Thanks for watching again!!

  • @derekantill3721
    @derekantill3721 2 дня назад +2

    Wow you have done it again Jeffery. A rare and very interesting double deck bus. The practice of passengers not using the upper deck as they might miss their stop still applies in many places in England today.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! Very glad you found the video and its subject interesting! Who wouldn't want to miss their stop??? Thanks for watching again!!

  • @autumnmatthews3179
    @autumnmatthews3179 2 дня назад +2

    What a find, thank you so much for sharing. It's definitely a strange design but even without that having three doors the seats downstairs would be limited

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад

      Hello! Really glad you liked the video of this odd bus! Thanks very much for watching again!!

  • @bamboocarman2335
    @bamboocarman2335 2 дня назад +4

    Thank you Jeffrey, another enjoyable video about a very interesting bus. Great. Greetings from the UK/GB, and you have a great day, too, BB.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +1

      Hello! Really glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks very much for watching again!!

  • @daviestewart2510
    @daviestewart2510 2 дня назад +4

    Thanks for another interesting video Jeffrey, I'd never heard of this bus until today and I think you're right, when it comes to designing double deckers, leave it to us Brits, lol!

    • @jeffclark2725
      @jeffclark2725 2 дня назад +1

      My thoughts are the same, didn't know Fiat trid building coaches

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +2

      Glad you liked the video! Yes, the Brits do design the best double deckers! Thanks very much for watching again!!

  • @Cylon33
    @Cylon33 День назад +2

    I love your bus videos watched them all, im based in England im a Bus/Coach enthusiasts, I have the model of this bus very rae to even get hands on one, does look really strange but i LIKE BECAUSE IT VERY DIFFRENT

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      Hello! Great to hear you really like my bus videos!! Thank you! Lucky you that you have a model of this Fiat bus. Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @garrymartin6474
    @garrymartin6474 2 дня назад +2

    An interesting vehicle and fairly attractive to look at despite the strange , sloping rear end .

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +1

      Yes, it's sort of a nice bus to look at, despite its oddities! Thanks very much for watching!!

  • @tactikzzF1R3
    @tactikzzF1R3 2 дня назад +4

    Brilliant, again, Jeffrey!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад +1

      Thank you! I'm really glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @MelanieRuck-dq5uo
    @MelanieRuck-dq5uo День назад +1

    Just a minute, I'm sure a right hand drive Leyland PD2 slipped into one of Jeffrey's photos! Another great, informative and entertaining video from Jeffrey. 10 out of 10 once again!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Thank you Melanie, glad you liked it! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @helenlloyd6564
    @helenlloyd6564 2 дня назад +2

    Hi Jeffrey 😊 😁 another great video again. 🎉

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! Very glad you liked today's video!! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @briankay4713
    @briankay4713 2 дня назад +2

    Excellent and very interesting film Jeffrey....up to your normal standard 👍👍
    Although different from UK deckers ....i find these very attractive vehicles ....
    Keep it up ...cant wait for the next one ...

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! I'm really happy you found the video and its subject interesting! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @ricktownend9144
    @ricktownend9144 День назад

    Thanks for this really enjoyable video, and - as you suggest - it was quite a shock to me as a Brit! I know London is not likely to give up its double-deckers, and I do love travelling on them, but the large number of bus-travel videos on youtube these days does give the opportunity to evaluate how they work. I think that in London people are not so worried about being able to get off at their stop, but it is true that single-deckers do take less time at stops - simply because there are less people on them! It's only about ten seconds on average, but over a whole journey that adds up: on continental Europe, where the standard bus has three doors (only two in London) it would be even better - though still probably not enough to cover the extra driver costs of down-sizing double-deckers ...

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      Hello! Glad you liked the video, and thanks for the insight. As comprison, three doors on a bus is totally unheard of in the USA - just as only one door is. And no double deckers. Unfortunately. Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @jamesfrench7299
    @jamesfrench7299 День назад

    Those rear hubs are insane!
    It must have been one interesting sounding bus with the semi automatic gearbox.
    Thanks for showing us yet another interpretation of the double deck bus concept.

    • @flatslide3250
      @flatslide3250 День назад

      The hubs look to have a planetary reduction gear set inside. M.A.N use them on their buses as do many modern trucks.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад +1

      Glad you liked the video on this very odd bus! Thanks very much for watching again!

    • @jamesfrench7299
      @jamesfrench7299 12 часов назад +1

      @@flatslide3250 I drove MAN and Mercedes with those planetary hubs and what a pleasurable note they emitted.
      These ones are the fattest I’ve seen.

  • @nigelgoodwin6954
    @nigelgoodwin6954 20 часов назад

    Fantastic research again. Thanks.

  • @thesnowman9474
    @thesnowman9474 День назад

    I find that bus quite appealing, actually. Thanks for another great video, Jeffrey!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад +1

      Really glad you liked the video! Yes, there are appealing aspects to that bus. Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @christopherhunter2892
    @christopherhunter2892 День назад

    Great video. I have been always interested in this bus since seeing it in a film many years ago. I went on to do little drawings of an imaginary bus which featured the same sloping roof..

  • @johnledingham852
    @johnledingham852 День назад

    I like it Jeff. Thumbs up!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      Great to hear you liked the video! Thanks very much for watching!

  • @Momo_Kawashima
    @Momo_Kawashima 7 часов назад +1

    As a roman citizen, to this day we still have fear of missing our stop. We have buttons to call the stop today, but drivers will still forget and not stop, so it's custom for someone to shout "FERMATA CAPO!" ("Bus stop, boss!") Just before reaching the stop

    • @fontheking5
      @fontheking5 2 часа назад +1

      Same problem here in southern Sweden on some routes, you often have to tell them to stop at certain stops, because they often ignore them sadly.
      On many city bus routes in many citys, the bus drivers just pass people waiting at the bus stop, despite there still being room at the bus.

  • @loverhood2016
    @loverhood2016 День назад +1

    Once more you deliver superb and entertaining content Geoffrey. Regarding Observation coaches, I believe London Fire Brigade had a major incident control vehicle based on one bus I saw it in the Ladybird book on the fire brigade in the 60s. Old buses never die, they hopefully get repurposed....have a superb Christmas 😮😮😮😮😮😮

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      Hello! Really glad you liked the video!! I'll look up that Fire Brigade bus. Happy Holidays to you as well! Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @anth5122
    @anth5122 День назад

    Thank you Jeffery very interesting as always 🚌

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Really happy you found the video interesting! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @rolandharmer6402
    @rolandharmer6402 2 дня назад

    Thank you. A rather good looking and convincing design. In Porto, Portugal there were some very handsomely bodied buses - Leyland Atlantans and Daimler Fleetlines. Some of them are up there with the Mancunian!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад

      Hello! Sounds interesting - I'll look into the Porto buses! Thanks very much for watching again!!

  • @towgod7985
    @towgod7985 2 дня назад +12

    There is something fundamentally WRONG with a double-decker bus not being made in Britain. 😮

    • @jeffclark2725
      @jeffclark2725 2 дня назад +2

      Well said,it's always gonna be compared to what the Brits has already done

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +2

      LOL, I'm sure most will agree with that! Thanks very much for watching!!

    • @alexandermathar7780
      @alexandermathar7780 2 дня назад +2

      Disagree. What about the Berlin MAN double deckers?

    • @rameshbhattacharjee4374
      @rameshbhattacharjee4374 2 дня назад

      Oh For God Sake Every Human Being On This Planet Has A Brain, They Can Use It To Create And Make Things, No Race Has The Monopoly On Intelligence

    • @rameshbhattacharjee4374
      @rameshbhattacharjee4374 2 дня назад

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  • @richardsheil5289
    @richardsheil5289 2 дня назад +2

    Pomigliano D'arco was Alfa Romeo plant near Naples, as far as i remember.

    • @danieleregoli812
      @danieleregoli812 2 дня назад

      Indeed, AERFER was headquartered in Naples

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +2

      Hello! It could have been an error on my part - trying to translate the information may lead to some issues! Thanks very much for watching!!

  • @keithparker5125
    @keithparker5125 2 дня назад +1

    Yet another entertaining video. Have you looked at the miriad of double decker found in Berlin - from those made by Büssing, Henschel and Daimler-Benz before and after the was, up to those built by MAN and Alexander Dennis today?

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +1

      Hello! I would like to do videos on those German buses, but getting information and properly translating it is a bit of a challenge (this video included). Thanks very much for watching again!!

  • @kevincrowley4586
    @kevincrowley4586 День назад

    Another day of education Jeffrey - thank you.
    The jury is still out about the rear 'Half Teardrop' design!
    Like you say, it's like a British design grated onto a Dutch design.
    I really like the final version, a bit like the old VW bus with the 23 window on the top deck.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Really glad you found the video interesting! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @laszlokaestner5766
    @laszlokaestner5766 День назад

    The 413 looks impressive.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      Yes, the 413 is awesome! Thanks very much for watching!!

  • @nameless5413
    @nameless5413 День назад

    ah yes,
    mad Italian dessigns are my passion!
    from de Tomasso to Zonda, Lingotto to Targa Florio - and yes even beast of turin ( F.I.A.T. S76) are all things i think need more love.
    Original and yet insane ideas that are often unique (okay fine Isle of Man TT is pretty good counter point to Targa Florio). i love uniquness so much that today's busses being all basicaly same is hurting my soul. particularly since we no longer have the 4 segment door opening to at least spice it up that way.
    What a strange yet visualy pleasing idea - sloped tail on bus... i like it.
    Yeah i can see the oddity of having to get down stairs at stop, i heard horror stories of italian busses (okay fine saw them in bruno bozetto's videos but thats still an overheard rummour). that might be why articulated busses exist - additionall pair of doors for rear is pretty handy.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      Hello! Oh yes, Italian designers and their works are very interesting indeed! I think the sloped back of original RTS may have copied this idea! Thanks very much for watching again!

    • @Momo_Kawashima
      @Momo_Kawashima 8 часов назад

      Agreed, altho I'm convinced "mad" and "italian" could be synonyms. We just cannot contain the silly

  • @davidbarnsley8486
    @davidbarnsley8486 День назад

    Good one Jeffrey

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Really glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @crabbymilton390
    @crabbymilton390 2 дня назад

    Sharp looking IMHO. No it didn’t have iconic looks and status as the London types but it didn’t look bad. Love those cast spoke wheels.
    Thanks as always Jeffery so something a bit different this time.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Oh yes, and I don't think it will ever be iconic. But interesting, yes! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @LucaPasini2
    @LucaPasini2 22 часа назад

    Hello from Italy!
    The preserved Aerfer bus you can see in the video used to be owned by the local bus company of my home city of Rimini, called Start Romagna. They used to own the last two remaining buses, buying them second-hand from Bologna in 1989. Unfortunately, according to sources close to the company, the first was demolished around 2016, after sitting idle for decades. The second one, which you can see in the video, after being used for years on lines dedicated to nightclub-goers, was purchased in 2016 by a no-profit from La Spezia called StoricBus. As I haven't seen any pictures of the bus on their social media, I guess they're slowly restoring it or waiting to do so.
    There's also a surviving Fiat 413 in Turin.
    Also a small correction: Pomigliano d'Arco, home to a huge Fiat factory to this day, is located near Naples, almost on the opposite side of the country from Turin!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад +1

      Hello! Thank you so much for the information about the red Aefer bus that still exists! Very interesting! And thanks for the correction - my error! Trying to translate information is not always easy! And thank you very much for watching from Italy!!

    • @LucaPasini2
      @LucaPasini2 20 часов назад +1

      @@JeffreyOrnstein Thank you for your videos! I think I've even been inside the demolished Aerfer as a child!
      I just found some more information: besides many mechanical issues, the main reason why that bus wasn't saved is because it lacked the original interior, having been converted into a mobile office under its original owner in the Eighties. Its main use in Rimini was as a mobile billboard, information point or exhibition. It wasn't allowed to travel with passengers on board.
      The preserved one was instead restored to its original state except for a bar added on the ground floor to serve drinks to passengers, and was used to shuttle people to clubs at night.
      There is a Facebook group, all in Italian unfortunately, called Trasporti Pubblici in Romagna, where I found all this information plus a ton of pictures of the Aerfers, as well as detailed information about everything going on with public transport in my home region.

  • @timbounds7190
    @timbounds7190 2 дня назад +1

    Thanks for that - like you I'd seen pictures of these strange buses but never knew anything about them! Goodness, they do look spartan inside! Given the hot weather that they might experience in a Roman summer, you might not expect British Moquette, but plastic seats? 176bhp is a decent power output, so its slightly surprising that they could only manage 50kph - not that it matters much in a bus in Rome! Always puzzled that most European operators like buses with at least 2 doors - these have 3 big ones, but in the UK, more than one door is considered an unnecessary extravagance, except in London!

    • @tonys1636
      @tonys1636 День назад

      Speed limited as RM's were to 40 mph, 50 RMC's and 55 RMA's The 'Boris' buses had three doors, two doors and the open platform with doors now not used as a Conductor is legally required on an open platform bus whose only job was to manage the boarding and alighting from the platform and assist old and young ladies with their shopping on them.

    • @timbounds7190
      @timbounds7190 День назад

      @@tonys1636 Well, as ever London is the exception that proves the rule! The RMCs/RCLs only had around 120bhp or something, yet could get to 40 or 50 - I grew up riding RMCs and RCLs, and am trying to recall if they ever got up to a decent speed with me riding them!), whilst these Fiats had a serious amount of grunt, though probably in a bus that weighed more, yet only reached, or were limited to, 30mph approx. As I mentioned I suspect that in the streets of Rome, it probably wasn't an issue!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Glad you liked the video! Three doors is extravagant in some parts of the world...you'd never see that on an American bus!! Thanks for watching again!!

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 9 часов назад

      More power does not imply a higher top speed. In city use there is no real requirement to travel above 50kph/30mph. What is wanted is smart acceleration and that is where the power is applied by relatively low gearing.

    • @timbounds7190
      @timbounds7190 7 часов назад

      @@EuroScot2023 Very true, but with 176bhp on tap, it's going to accelerate well whatever gearing its got! Though if it had its full 110 passengers on board, that might slow it down. Perhaps they had stupidly low gearing for acceleration up the famed 7 hills of Rome or top speed was governed to 50k for some imagined or real stability issue.

  • @tk-qv1mg
    @tk-qv1mg День назад

    I love these videos.
    I often wonder why there are countless custom commissioned buses for each local government that buys them.
    Why is it that busses aren't mas produced for a global market like other vehicles?

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      Glad you like my videos!!! The USA mass produces the same bus for countless transit systems, and I think the Soviet Union did the same, oddly enough. The idea of a single bus for the entire world is an interesting one. Wonder what it would be.... Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @69Phuket
    @69Phuket 2 дня назад

    Don't get the sloped roof at the back, but that was amazing! Going up stairs for a smoke is British folklore...Guess Italians don't trust leaning structures! (Piza Refence) ;)

    • @crabbymilton390
      @crabbymilton390 2 дня назад +1

      Well the very first GM RTS’s had a rear slope like that too.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад +2

      Hello! I couldn't find a reason for the sloped roof...I guess its for looks! LOL! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @Earhairy
    @Earhairy День назад

    Jeffrey, when you show an image of the engine used on a particular bus, is the accompanying sound of an engine starting that of the engine shown on screen?

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад +1

      Hello! No, it is a generic engine sound. Thanks very much for watching!

  • @jasongray6437
    @jasongray6437 День назад

    That name rolls off the tongue so well😅

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      LOL, they should have made it longer! Thanks very much for watching!

  • @john1703
    @john1703 2 дня назад

    The lantern style front windows were found on the 1959 Midland Red C5M coach in the UK. The shape cuts down reflections from lights within the bus for the driver at night. I note the use of demountable rim wheels, which are still used in Iberia. I do not see the purpose of the sloping roofline at the back.

    • @johno4521
      @johno4521 День назад

      And the Dutch Leyland Nationals.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! Oh yes, I guess I could have mentioned the Midland Red bus, as well as the American Twin Coach and Flxible buses that had that style of windshield....LOL, I guess I could have went on about each bus that had it....Thanks for watching again!!

    • @patricksmodels
      @patricksmodels День назад

      The staircase is at the rear, so the roof slopes down to follow its contour, it was done as a weight saving measure.

  • @tonymento7460
    @tonymento7460 День назад

    This bus would be a cool HO Scale model on a train set

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      Oh yes, a manufacturer must do it in HO! Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @stevedickson5853
    @stevedickson5853 День назад

    The front end is quite attractive, as for the rear..

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      LOL, I know what you mean...Thanks for watching!!

  • @tubodradek
    @tubodradek 23 часа назад

    Just a little mistake: the factory plant of "Pomigliano d'Arco" is located next to Napoli (Naples) not Torino (Turin)

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад +1

      Hello! Thanks for the correction - my error (translating is not always simple or easy). Thanks very much for watching!

  • @ROCKINGMAN
    @ROCKINGMAN 2 дня назад

    It's quite a nice design. Why the sloping back? The new windscreen looks 'cleaner'. The old windscreen looks similar to the Brossel BL55 french single-deck bus. Britain did have some the nicest double deckers. Other countries' models seem a hotch-potch of designs. This Roman Fiat has something. IXO Hachette make some fine models. Good video.

    • @northernblue1093
      @northernblue1093 2 дня назад

      The sloping back followed the angle of the rear staircase.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! The slsoping back is a bit of a mystery...it made it more difficult for seated passengers in the back row. Hmm.... Thanks for watching again!!

  • @thomash2806
    @thomash2806 10 часов назад

    Did the sloping rear roof serve a purpose or was it a style choice?

  • @haweater1555
    @haweater1555 2 дня назад

    So the rearmost doors and stairs were for exiting from the upper deck only?

  • @ThomRealEstate-k1y
    @ThomRealEstate-k1y День назад

    I know of another un British double decker,it was the Twin Coach busses that ran in New York City on 5th avenue

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      Hello! Yes, the Yellow Coach 720/736! And I did a video on those 5th Avenue buses, too. Thanks very much for watching!

  • @andrewbowen4544
    @andrewbowen4544 День назад

    Jeffrey any of these buses in museum's or in a collection

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      Hello! There is one surviving bus, it was owned by a nightclub, but someone else commented it was purchased by a group that is restoring it, and it may take a few years to complete. Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @aapje180
    @aapje180 2 дня назад

    Hi Jeffrey, doesn't Berlin also use double-decker buses? I remember to have seen them in older German films. But perhaps they have been decommissioned.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Hello! Yes, I know Berlin definitely had double-deckers! I'd like to do a video on them if I could get enough info! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @johno4521
    @johno4521 День назад

    Can we talk about the PD2 at 7.20???

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Sure...wish I knew more about it!! Thanks for watching!!

  • @glenjones6980
    @glenjones6980 2 дня назад

    It seems a pretty conventional design overall albeit styled a little differently from the UK fleets. I might be missing something but I can't see how the design itself would lead to passengers missing their stop.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад +1

      Yes, it's odd that people would think they'd miss their stop...I guess it's just easier to ride downstairs.... Thanks for watching again!!

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 9 часов назад

      I presume it's just a cultural thing. If single deckers are the norm then it's quite likely people may feel a bit 'trapped' on the top deck. I've noticed it to some extent here in Dundee when at rush hour, particularly, the lower deck gets crammed while the upper deck has plenty spare seats and is almost exclusively the preserve of the young and active.

  • @petermumford265
    @petermumford265 2 дня назад

    People were frightened of missing their stop?? Did nobody hear of the “BUS STOPPING” bell???

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  2 дня назад +1

      LOL, not sure if there even was a bell up there... Thanks very much for watching!!

    • @petermumford265
      @petermumford265 2 дня назад

      Fantastic looking Bus though. I can understand why it became so hot in the cab. All bus drivers have suffer in the summer with NO AIR CONDITIONING, it must have been HELL in a hot climate!!! Drivers are such a disposable item!!!

    • @davidjones332
      @davidjones332 2 дня назад

      Paris experienced a similar problem when they introduced a small number of Berliet double-deckers around the same time. They concluded that Parisians were just too lazy to go upstairs.

  • @1208bug
    @1208bug 18 часов назад

    😊👍

  • @The-Silent-Rider
    @The-Silent-Rider День назад +1

    Anyone know if any survive in preservation or museums or know of one repurposed as a cafe or parked up just waiting it's time to shine again ... Very quirky

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад +1

      Hello! There is one surviving bus, it was owned by a nightclub, but someone else commented it was purchased by a group that is restoring it, and it may take a few years to complete. Thanks very much for watching again!

    • @The-Silent-Rider
      @The-Silent-Rider 20 часов назад +1

      @JeffreyOrnstein Thank you for the personal update well appreciated.

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 9 часов назад

      @@JeffreyOrnstein I hope they are getting there. It would be a pity to see such an unusual design disappear altogether.

  • @MartinIbert
    @MartinIbert 2 дня назад +4

    No. Just no. You are totally ignoring the traditional Berlin double-decker buses, which have been a fixture of Berlin buses for ages. Yes, we only have 199 of them left (one went up in flames [I am not making this up]), but double-decker buses are as much engrained into the cityscape as London double-deckers are-

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад +1

      Hello! If I can find enough info on Berlin's double deckers, I'd do a video on them!! Especially those vintage ones! Thanks for watching again!!

  • @stanleybest8833
    @stanleybest8833 День назад

    Anybody's double deckers with roof bus is way too top-heavy and vulnerable to wind. Look how Ralph Cramden did it. He drove. He made change. That's simple. Conductors are for trains.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      Yes, Ralph Cramden was a great bus driver! Thanks very much for watching!

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 9 часов назад

      Lol. UK and USA - 2 countries separated by a common language - as all the Brits yell out, ''Oh No they're not! Conductors are for buses! Trains have Guards!'.

    • @stanleybest8833
      @stanleybest8833 27 минут назад

      @EuroScot2023 Trains have Steve Mc Queen driving. The War Lover

  • @BobAbc0815
    @BobAbc0815 День назад

    When in Rome
    take the Bus.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  21 час назад

      LOL, wouldn't have it any other way! Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @Ulysses_S_Grant_18
    @Ulysses_S_Grant_18 8 часов назад

    The only places I trust double decker busses from is Britain and hong kong

  • @JTA1961
    @JTA1961 День назад +1

    Like small tilt windows at front. Perfect for watching the expression of the (just stop oil) people as they go under

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      LOL, that would be an odd thing to see, wouldn't it??? Thanks very much for watching again!

  • @scottyg7284
    @scottyg7284 День назад

    Millimetre’s? Nobody really uses that apart from finer measurements, metres with decimal points maybe?

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад

      Well, that's what the drawing had! Thanks for watching!!

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 9 часов назад

      Detailed technical drawings are often dimensioned in mm.

  • @1701_FyldeFlyer
    @1701_FyldeFlyer День назад

    Hideous looking thing! How hard is it to design a double decker? As for that roof at the back,what's going on there?!

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  20 часов назад

      LOL, it is a weird bus, isn't it!!! Thanks very much for watching again!

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 8 часов назад

      I've heard that it was to reduce the weight. It would take a few kilos off the total but the fact that no one else has repeated it implies it wasn't worth the effort.

  • @cedarcam
    @cedarcam День назад

    Those awful looking seats would put me off going on one Wonder why they fitted them Lots of vandals there? It looks to have a lot of waste space downstairs with all the doors Surely two sets were enough and more seats.

    • @JeffreyOrnstein
      @JeffreyOrnstein  День назад +1

      Yes, my thoughts exactly on the interior! Thanks for watching again!!

    • @danieleregoli812
      @danieleregoli812 День назад

      Actually those 'bucket seats' were quite comfortable, I did sit on them. Some were made in semi-translucent green plastic, so not bad looking at all. They were durable, easy to clean, and good for the hot climate. Softly padded seats (like in the UK) are a big no-no in any hot country...
      The three doors were deemed a necessity in all Italian buses designed for high-capacity lines, and indeed were handy given the standing crowd of people during peak hours.