VR debunks Flat Earther argument?
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@@iBMcFly jelly
Another video spewing garbage 😂. Flat Earth really gets under your skin I see!! Can’t wait for your next video 😂 Don’t worry I’ll subscribe, like, and turn on notifications because I appreciate your failed attempts to explain your globe model. I might even check out the VPN using your affiliate link to keep your money 💰 flowing to make these videos…. Nice use of the dog too 😂 You’re clever!! I can respect that! lol
@@brownbrownie8745 ☺️
The train station illusion is a classic: you're on a train that starts moving smoothly. Behind the window is another train (you don't see the station, just the train). For several secs you simply can't tell who's moving. It only becomes clear when you see fixed objects or you feel your train shake/vibrate etc.
And you realize that vibration actually caused by another train...
It happens to me in my car as another vehicle next to me is backing up and I feel like I'm driving forward and hitting the brakes, when in fact I'm not moving at all.
@@maorgabai6139 or when you’re not paying attention at a red light in traffic, and a semi truck starts moving and you think you’re rolling backwards so you jam on the brakes 😅
I went to the comments to mention this. It's a bit jarring when I feel I'm moving only to then realize I'm not, it's the other train (or bus, car etc.)
@@redsite001 exactly 😄
Flerfs : "Trust your senses".
Any Pilot : Whatever you do DON'T trust your senses.
Flerfs: "Trust your senses"
Non-flerfs: I can see ships disappear over the horizon, so the Earth is a sphere."
Flerfs: "Don't trust your senses."
@@justinbennitt835 But the P1000 does not lift objects above the horizon either...
Similarly, orienteers trust their compass, and divers tell up by bubbles. We humans lose track very easily.
@@ToEuropa What the flerfs really mean when they say "trust your senses" is "trust me when I say earth isn't a globe". To which I respond "where's your measurements of the curvature of the surface?"
Yea tell that to cave sivers once the water becomes murky last thing you want to do is trust the senses
Flat earther: Use your own senses to tell you what is real.
Okay. I put a spoon in a glass of water and the water cuts the metal spoon.
When I take the spoon out of the water, the air joins the metal pieces back together again.
Conclusion: Water cuts metal. Air fixes metal. It's a kind of magic.
Kerosene is redbull
I'd like to see those folks who want to "trust their senses" to do the phantom hand experiments.
@@CyclesMcHurtz just give them a VR experaince the reaction would be gold
Mate the earth is flat(I’m joking)also can you explain in a video named “Sun spots on flat earth”
@@Me_8136
Oh that is very easy.
The sun needs fuel to make heat so it eats the moon, which is made of green cheese.
The moon grows back every month using its cold light.
A diet of nothing but green cheese gives the sun hives. That is how sun spots do be made.
HTH
Every sailor in the world has experienced this. Going from land to a rocking ship, you experience the rocking until after a few “weeks” you are accustomed. Then returning to land, you experience the land rocking. Until you get accustomed to it.
Hence why sea legs got translated to VR legs.
I've felt that for a short while stepping back onto land after just a night up on a ferry in a choppy sea.
Sea legs.. Or land legs if you're a Landy 😁.. Now VR legs ( Thankye lonetech )
🌏☮️♾️
Hence the song 'what shall we do with the drunken sailor' which originates from sailors getting back on land and meandering down the dock like a drunkard.
@@user-rh7cs9pv6b Haha.. Good call .. Put him in a long boat till his sober 😁
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Or pull out the plug & wet him all over 😂.. 🌏☮️
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Or put him in the scuppers with the hose-pipe on 'im 😂😂
It may be pointless to try and reason with people who think water cant bend, but it is so enjoyable to watch. Please never stop.
I never understood that argument. Freaking STEEL can bend. Why wouldn't water be able to bend? You know, liquid. That state of matter that CONFORMS to the shape it's contained in? Did Flat Earthers not take any form of basic science?
Ngl I misread this so hard.
Wouldn't the best way to fix that be to, well, bend water? Grab a dry comb, and a person(if you don't fit yourself) with long hair. Comb that hair for about 30 seconds or so. This will cause it to be charged with static electricity. Now, open your kitchen faucet to a smooth, not too forceful jet of water. Place the comb to the side of the jet and slowly move it closer. What do you know, the water jet bent.
Flerfers have no understanding of what water is and what it does. At all.
@@mooneyes2k478 I was going to say take a whiz off the edge of a roof, but your example is more family friendly.
@@JohnVJay But perhaps not as....evocative? :D
A similar thing can happen to pilots… if you’re flying in clouds (no visibility) and perform a steady turn for more than about 20 seconds, your body will acclimatize to the new “normal” and when you roll out of the turn to go straight it will feel VERY strongly as if you’ve just started turning in the opposite direction.
Half of becoming instrument rated is learning to completely disregard what your body is telling you and trust your instruments. Easier said than done :)
That's vital to point out to Flerfs. The human body is far from being a precission instrument. Many a fledgling pilot who's engulfed in cloud or at night, has gotten in extreme trouble by taking their eyes off the instruments. You can actually be in an inverted flat spin and "feel" that things are perfectly normal.
And when you have neither visibility nor instruments, you end up with crude guesses:
ruclips.net/video/RJAYZgOZS08/видео.html
@@0LoneTech I can’t believe they removed the instruments. It’s basically been turned into a kiddie ride :(
@@truthsmiles That is sad, certainly, but it can still teach lessons like how you can be turning quite fast and not know. I'd be tempted to fit in some new displays, though.
@@gregedmand9939 "Fledgling"? Many _experienced_ pilots have have flown their aircraft into the ground (or came very close to it but recovered in time) because they trusted what their body was telling them over what the instruments were screaming at them.
I used to work at a meat works picking up meat cuts on a moving conveyor belt for 90 minutes straight. It demanded quite a high level of concentration as we had to get the correct cut of meat into the right box. When the belt came to a sudden stop at the end of the shift for a few seconds afterwards it appeared that the belt was now slowly moving in the opposite direction to what it had been moving in while we had been working. Quite amazing how our brains/eyes/balance all work together to perceive movement.
I had the same experience working at a bottling plant. Made me dizzy as hell for the first week. And you can see it if you watch movie credits al the way through.
@@Deinonuchus And you can especially see this kind of motion if you have ever played a Guitar Hero style game too.
There's a particularly trippy version of this illusion, look up the most viewed video titled "Optical illusion - Hypnotic Spiral".
Same feeling when you have been on a (small) boat on the water for a while. After you step off the boat onto the jetty, you feel like the ground is still moving.
I have had the same experience on the treadmill at the gym after jogging for an hour or so. Very disorienting.
The point of all this is that Dave gets to write off the cost of a Quest 2 as a business expense
That just proves he's intelligent.
And at the same time show the huge flaw in some flat earther logic. Good tradeoff.
*_GENIUS._* 🤭
As soon as I got off of the ground in a paraglider it was as if I was stationary and the world was moving slowly under me. Very strange sensation indeed.
Flerfs have the funniest counterargumen for how you don't know how fast you are moving in an airplane.
Their counterargument is... if you are outside of the airplane's cabin, you would feel the speed... because you know, the rushing air. 🤣🤣🤣
They SO don't understand the point!
Similar to when you are stopped in traffic, then the person next to you starts slowly moving forward and you panic because you think you're rolling backwards 😂
🤣 YES!
I've always found it interesting that motion sickness is an evolutionary adaptation. Basically, your eyes say you're moving, your middle ear says you're not, so the brain's conclusion is that you've eaten something toxic, and you commit to get rid of it
@harfish And cos over evolutionary time our sight has become our primary sense, so our brains and body trust our eyes over our inner ear info.. Ergo sick/ confusion.. 🌏👁️🗨️♾️
Ohhh it's the worst kind of nausea!
fortunately I dont get sea sickness and when I worked off shore I saw quite a few who did get ill from the rough weather, it looks absolutely miserable...
That feeling you talk about, I also have that sometimes when I am sitting in a train at a train station and the train next to me starts moving but it's like I am moving until I realize I'm not.
Had that feeling on lsd when there was streaks of ice on the side screen of my stationary car. When I looked straight ahead I could feel the sudden deceleration!
Yeah, isn't it a peculiar sensation? Then the lack of the feeling of motion makes your rational side kick in.
Brain say moving,
body say nope.
@@skateboardingjesus4006 my stomach also says “food goes up, right?” for a split second every time…
@@Katarn84
hehehe 🤣🤣 good one 😁
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Back in the mid 70's there was a film released called White Rock, almost a documentary about the winter Olympics. One of the scenes was a camera strapped to a 4 man bob sleigh so as you watched it seemed like you were actually in the bobsleigh travelling down the course with all the twists and turns. This was all quite revolutionary for the time. You could not help but anticipate the next corner and start leaning into it as you approached even though you knew you were just sat on a chair in a movie theatre.
I was thinking of something similar in amusement parks, those large 180 degree screens (pre-IMAX) that took up your field of vision. (Look up Cineman 180, Omnivision, or similar products.) The films were from the perspective of roller-coaster riders or dune buggy drivers (or like andy said, a bobsled). If you were in the theater looking at the audience, you see the viewers leaning in unison (like what Dave was mentioning with the VR goggles) based on the motion they are seeing on the screen. If you stopped looking at the crowd and concentrated on the screen, you were soon joining their movements.
(And after the movie is over, highly likely you felt queasy despite not actually moving from your spot in the viewing hall.)
I'm going to show my age, but in the 1960's when the film format Cinerama first came out, this was three camera's filming and three projectors showing the image side by side , the demo reel featured things like this, a bobsled run and other similar footage, the reaction of everyone was to hang on to their seats to stop falling over. I still remember it vividly.
Doesn't this also happens when playing videogames? I remember doing it back in the 90s when I played super mario kart, and I have seen it referenced in shows and movies as well.
@@james13sylar as a VR simpilot, I can absolutely confirm this happens. I have to wear a seat-belt while "flying" or I will fall out of my seat during intense maneuvers!
didn't they used to use that footage and the one from the rollercoaster in iMax and large screens to give people the sensation of being on them? Very discombobulating.
Absolutely true, you can't feel that you're moving, only acceleration. That's why a racecar driver can accelerate to 200 mph and get thrown back in his seat, but if you're on an airplane, you can go a steady 600 mph and be able to get up and walk around. That's also part of why they want you to remain seated at takeoff and landing, because that's the only time you experience significant acceleration.
Flerfs should try to travel on a large cruise ship.
On a calm sea, inside a windowsless cabin, it's nearly impossible to tell if the ship is moving.
Even when standing on deck on the side of the ship, I never noticed a shallow turn untill I looked backwards and noticed the wake.
Agreed I have said this to flurfs.
True as.. But.. They might know it on an 'intellectual' ( what? ) level, but they can't translate/ decode that information into what it looks like in real life.. Ergo their understanding 'issues' lol 😂
Fluff that 😁.. 🌏☮️♾️
@@claudiaarjangi4914 I can tell you're a flat earther just by how much utter word salad that is.
I’m a “flerf” since 2015. The problem with your cruise ship example is that you’re in a closed system with walls and a ceiling. The heliocentric ball earth is said to have to absolutely no separation between our atmosphere and the vacuum of space yet it travels 66,000 mph chasing the sun, according to your model. A more accurate example would be to sit on the roof of the cruise ship, increase the mph by 66,000 mph, also rotate the ship around 1,000mph without stopping, then let me know how you enjoyed the cruise.
@@DeborahE7 so, if you'll actually read the comment, you'll find that there is something that you don't understand. I know, it's hard to believe that you don't understand everything there is to exist, but there's many, MANY things you have yet to even fathom upon, such as how not to be completely rebellious to the fact that you have less than 87 IQ and actually accept the fact that you are LITERALLY STUPID so that you can genuinely become smarter through some knowledgeable processes and be not nearly as stupid as you are now. But no, you have to be contumacious and pretentious about objective facts such as flerfs being absolutely nonsensical and literally brainwashed into thinking the earth is some sort of version of "flat" that varies with quite extravagant differences in each definiton. I wonder why that is.
Ah, but that's the flerf lie, isn't it? Every flerf will happily lie and tell you that they can feel the movement of an aircraft or train or car. They don't want reality. They want to be right haha
It's always extra funny to me, that in order for them to be "right", they have to be unequivocally wrong 🤣
They'll say they can feel that movement because they know before getting into the vehicle that it will be moving, so even if they don't feel anything, they think they should be and will respond accordingly. Almost like a placebo. Alternatively, they'd just remark that they felt the vehicle accelerating initially or something like that.
The only way you could get them truly caught with no way out except a bold faced lie, would be if you had them asleep long enough to set them up in some sort of vehicle or object that was capable of moving at relatively high speeds, and make sure they don't wake up until it has already started moving. That would be the only real way to semi-simulate the effect of being on Earth, though it'd be pointless ultimately since it wouldn't affect their worldview in the slightest.
The "thanks Bob" comment , that seems to be migrating to various channels, never ceases to amuse me!
RIP Bob!
At first I wondered what kind of argument could be debunked with virtual reality. Turns out it was a really stupid argument. Playing on the trampoline as a kid taught me not to trust what my body tells me. That feeling once you jump off and you still feel like you're bouncing for some time afterwards if funny, but also disorienting.
Same situation to spinning around and around in a circle for a moment or so. You stop, and the world feels like it's spinning and you fall flat. Amused us as children, and amuses us still watching our kids do it. Hell, our dog does it. Our bodies and senses are so easily messed with and fooled.
You'd have to be hella arrogant to think "nuh uh , Im not like that.. I would know if I'm moving.. So ha, flat earth proof".. 😶.. 😁🌏☮️♾️
True. What always fascinated me was how heavy I felt when I jumped off the ground immediately after getting off the trampoline. 😁
@@claudiaarjangi4914 "You'd have to be hella arrogant to think "nuh uh , Im not like that"
Its not arrogance, its ignorance.
@@globemason True.. Me too .. Feels like more than 1 G for a sec or 2 😁
The "Thanks Bob" will never get old 😂
Dave, a question for you. I am mesmerised 😍 by your dog, how does he get on your lap like that?
He's usually gets on the chair the moment I start setting the lights up 😂
@@DaveMcKeegan He's an attention seeker, isn't he? All dogs seem to be … 😁
That Space walk game, btw, is amazing. You get a strong feeling of agoraphobia when you first climb out of the ISS. It's wild.
Interkosmos does it VERY well too, especially when you're NOT near another large object you just see a little square on the HUD and you have the Earth on some side of your window, and then suddenly the object you are approaching gets very very big
@@iceman90734 nice. added to my list.
I never made it that far, got motion sick just crawling through the corridors. :)
@@AbuMaia01 which game? Home- A Spacewalk, which the youtube video shows off, has no corridors. Instead, you immediately go out on the space walk.
@@spderweb I was referring to the free Quest ISS experience, where you can explore inside the ISS, and even practice moving the CANADARM to grab a capsule.
With all of the reasoning and explaining that doggo has sat through, it must be smarter than any flat earther out there by now
The chair he's sitting in is smarter than flat earthers
As a flight simulator technician, it's really amusing when someone new to simulators believes that the motion system is engaged and operating when in fact it's just that they can see the image moving through the window. If there is someone standing and looking through the windows you can see them swaying to counter the movement their eyes are perceiving.
I think it's important to emphasize to flat-Earthers, though, that it's not just our perception that prevents us from feeling the Earth move; it's physics. While we don't feel movement on an airplane in smooth flight at cruising speed, the inanimate objects on the plane with us don't respond to it either, else the drinks on the tray table would be flying to the back of the plane and we'd be unable to walk back from the rear lavatory. They can try to say that this is only about our senses, but the behavior of senseless matter in various frames of reference proves them wrong.
Like the video that includes someone pouring out a drink while travelling at 1,300 mph on Concorde
Yes. And if you look at it from the pov of conservation of energy, the fluid of the inner ear, once agitated, must lose energy to its surroundings and come to a stop as surely as a kicked soccer ball does. Feeling steady motion is as impossible as a perpetual motion machine and for much the same reasons.
It's amazing how many calculations, observations, concept, things, and whatever aspect of reality one examines can debunk the idea that Earth is flat all by themselves.
...that's why they all end up getting re/misdefined, denied, and/or lied about by cumulative flerfdom and its desperate confirmation bias.
I once rode on a fairground ghost train. The tracks entered a rotating cylindrical tunnel with a checkered pattern on it. The sensation was that the train was tipping over in the opposite direction to the rotation and everyone began to lean over to counter it. When I realized what was happening, I suddenly sat upright and almost pushed the person next to me off the car.
Are you sure it was the cylindrical tunnel moving, or was the checkered pattern projected onto the inside of it?
@@davebritton7648 It was the cylindrical tunnel moving. It was on rollers with a driving ring around it. I was curious and as it was the last item on the ghost train, I walked back and looked inside when the doors opened when the next train exited.
@@clivedavis6859
Ok. Had to ask.
@@davebritton7648 Back in the day, projections ( or believable ones) weren't a thing.. 👾 It's only in the last generation that this stuff has happened ( again, good enough to fool, anyway 😁) Before that, Everything.. All rides etc were mechanical & physical..
Maybe that's why I sorta ( 🤨 sorta !) can see how young flerfs are not getting that modern CGI etc & tech have only 'just' happened.. Does Not explain the old ones though.. ( Maybe they've forgotten, cos of old age ? ) 🤷♀️😁
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I was having lunch at a restaurant years ago, and about every 10 minutes I'd get dizzy. I finally realized the window was right next to a bus stop, and every 10 minutes, a big bus was pulling away in my peripheral vision, which made me feel like I was falling backwards. 🤣
I have a VR set (basically a $400 paperweight now because Oculus wouldn't replace a cable) and I felt everything you talked about as you described the experiences.
Can't you purchase a new cable?
@@DrunkChimp they didn’t have just cables to replace. I would have had to buy a whole new headset.
Not to mention that feeling the earth rotate has no survival advantage.
I doubt flat earthers give much credence to evolution by natural selection.
I'm thinking of making scale models of globe and FE in Unreal Engine, then demonstrate what the observations are in both. What do you guys think?
That's what I thought this video was going to be about. Yeah definitely do that. Would be very interesting to see.
If you've ever been to a fun house with one of those spinning tunnels, you know this feeling too. Even though the suspended walkway you're on isn't moving at all, simply seeing the walls spinning all around you makes you feel like your rotating in the opposite direction. So, your brain automatically tries to correct for it, and you tip over.
Or, even simpler: If you've ever seen an optical illusion where the image is static, but it looks like its wiggling or spinning.
Its actually incredibly easy to fool our senses, because our brain runs on instinct. And our instincts were not programed to cope with modern technology. Its hard to get million year old firmware to be compatible with the newest hardware.
I was in one of those, it was at the Ripley's Believe It Or Not! In Niagara Falls in 2012.
In fact, we've done experiments to see if we are in a simulation. By doing two separate experiments on a very small scale, they were testing how deep the simulation would have to be and how much computing power would be needed.
What they found was that the amount of computing power to have both these experiments work as we expect them to would be beyond the energy of the entire universe. Facinating stuff!
But if our universe is simulated then all the power in it is literally the simulation
@@attilatormasi1733 That, and showing the results would be way easier than actually having the experiment properly simulated.
Yeah that's complete nonsense, who is "we"?
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 Humanity.
Ok thats just FE lavels of bunk... Always look for a source when reading an article. Its not a failsafe for disinformation but it'll go a long way
Acceleration is the key here. We don't feel movement, we feel acceleration, and FLERFers don't seem to get that, among many other things.
Basically, they don't understand even the most basic physics and geometry.
@@mikep9604 oh I know. Gravity is the bane of all FLERFers.
i love the whole ''well we cant feel the earth moving'' thing, and its like ''do you not know what relativity is?''
the earth is going really fast, but so are we, so it feels like we arent moving. you can experience this yourself. go on the smoothest mag lev bullet train in the world and shut all the blinds to the windows and even though its going hundreds of miles an hour, so are you, so it feels like you arent moving. because you have no reference of speed, you would only be able to tell your moving when it sped up or slowed down suddenly. earth has a speed reference just like looking out your window on a plane or train, and they are called stars. which fly past at thousands of miles an hour, but are so far away it looks like they are barely moving. i mean planes go hundreds of miles an hour, but when you see them high in the sky, they dont zip past real fast because of how far away they are. unfortunately i still think even this simple provable explanation is too much for flat earthers.
I was once in an amusement park where there was a dark corridor with a walkway with a huge fast-spinning cylinder of lights all around me, and the sensation and perception of rotational movement was so strong that I couldn't help leaning into the direction of rotation, it was quite a surreal experience.
There are 'rides' where you're pretty much sitting in a special theater watching a movie that looks like a camera flying around and the theater is set up on machinery that tilts it around in different directions. The effect is that you feel motion even though you aren't moving because the tilt makes your body feel the acceleration of gravity from an angle that matches what your eyes see. The only reason this works is because the only motion we can feel is changes in acceleration and constant motion has no feeling regardless of speed.
The effect of feeling changes in acceleration while using VR on a stable couch is likely due to a similar effect but the tilt is probably caused by you subconsciously leaning forward, backward, or to the side based on your brain expecting to feel acceleration in a given direction so it makes you lean in order to feel what it expects to feel.
@AlexisFox true.. I think it's cos over evolutionary time, our sight has become our primary sense , so our brains & body have learnt to trust our eye input over our inner ear balance info.. Till we feel sick/ unbalanced.. But by then our brains have chosen an input to run with, so , sick/ confused..
This happens daily in 'real' diagnosed Vertigo sufferers.. Their brain is trusting their faulty inner ear input, so their seeing the ground looking like it's moving up & down, side to side, constantly.. Ergo, fear of stairs & cliffs etc 😬 Fluff that .. 😁 .. 🌏☮️♾️
Dude Ive got a force feedback steering wheel/pedals connected to my PC for racing sims in VR & it took hundreds of hours to stop flinching when I'd yeet a Ferrari into a wall at a simulated 280kms.... But by far the one that still gets me is reverse 3-point-Turns.
Another thing that could be done with VR, which I thought was what the video was going to be about initially, would be to create a model of the flat earth, with adjustable parameters to show the different (and contradictory) versions of it. Maybe a "switch to globe" button as well to change it to an accurate version of earth, so that one can compare how it would look like in a flat earth vs in the globe earth, and then compare it to reality.
My thoughts exactly.
Who would create something like that? It is only a rather small group of people who actually looks at flerfs and the nonsense they're spouting, and flerfs themselves would never change their minds even if they would experience it, as it would be "all fake and NASA funded to deceive people in believing to live on a globe" for them. Looking at (not staring into ;-)) the Sun and it's path in the sky over the day is enough to *know* that it indeed goes below the horizon (and comes back on the other side at morning) - they don't do this either and can't explain it properly, so it would be moot to create such an application. On the other hand - Walter Bislin created his calculator to show the differences, so maybe somebody might indeed come up with such an app.
Acronyms? That might be too hard for any flerf to understand.
Indeed. They think NASA is a word and not an acronym.
VR isn't an acronym, it's an initialism. Acronyms have a pronunciation different to just listing it's constituent letters.
@@VitalVampyr ORLY?
*SCNR
Honestly, that view with the Earth moving below the stars looks way cooler than seeing the stars moving over Earth.
I love how everyone keeps on dunking on bob for proving that the earth rotates at a rate of 15 degrees per hour.
when you sit in stationary train waiting for it to go, and on the track next to you there is another train standing there is a weird sensation when the other train starts to move. your body will think you are starting to move even if you dont.
You can experience this sensation after using a treadmill at the gym. When I step off and just stand there it feels like the ground is moving under me
Thanks for making these, I do enjoy seeing them pop up on my feed!
Lots of things get old, sometimes quickly. That 15 degrees will always always be hilarious
Interesting...
@@biggusdoggus Ever since he's had to bend over backwards to try and explain how he was so bleeping wrong and how he proved the Globe. He went to prove the FE, and failed so badly it's obvious.
@@thephantomeagle2 at least he helped other flerfs, by making it clear that actually measuring something is not going to help them.
Your VR experiences are very similar to sea sickness, that point where you inner ear tells you that you are moving around, but your eyes tell you otherwise.
I did night school courses to learn nautical navigation. I can sit 'down below' on a boat at sea, even when on quite 'lumpy' seas, quite happily for hours, poring over charts & tables of figures. But, I have also been sailing with people who can wake up in a bunk, and feel seasick within seconds, unless they can get on deck immediately ( sitting on deck, viewing the horizon is a standard remedy for seasickness, because the 'conflict' between eye & inner ear no longer exists ).
I've never tried the VR experience, it could be quite interesting.
Refer also to those 'simulators' you increasingly see at fairs etc, where you sit strapped into a 'box', while viewing a wide angle screen, listening to a soundtrack, but the 'box' is simultaneously being thrown around on hydraulic rams, up, down , sideways, nose up or down. You can be absolutely convinced that you are accelerating, or braking, or cornering, whilst still being in the exact same place.
It's that old thing about the 'inertial frame of reference'.
ps. If gravity doesn't exist, why does the box pointing towards the sky, or standing on its nose make you, inside the box, think that you are accelerating, or braking ?
@@chassetterfield9559 what does that have to do with inertial frames of reference?
Yes, VR sickness and motion sickness are essentially the same thing; your brain alarmed that it gets conflicting sensory input. It does serve to highlight how crude our senses are. Redirected walking is one interesting application. We also struggle with interpreting unfamiliar scenes; once I was orienteering on a mountain top, and got confused looking in a direction my map was showing another mountain, but I could only see water. I was looking too far; the next mountain was below the local topology, i.e. the slope was too gentle to see a close, low mountain. I had to descend lower to see close enough.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799
If you have no way to see what the result of the world is doing movement wise, you can't tell how you're moving at all. All you can feel is a force vector moving around, not whether its gravity alone or gravity plus another force.
@@Appletank8 I guess you mean "what the rest of the world [...]" ?
Even without a reference frame you can know your acceleration by measuring the force you're experiencing, that's just the second law of Newton. It doesn't matter if that force comes from gravity alone, gravity plus some other force, or the sum of many forces. Your acceleration will be the sum of all forces divided by your mass.
You're correct in saying that you're unable to know your position and velocity, although you'll be able to know what your total change of velocity over a period will be, and if you knew your starting velocity you'd be able to know your displacement.
In our zoo we have a small suspension bridge on ropes, and walking on it you really feel the whole moving under you.
What fascinated me that for MINUTES after these 30 seconds, it felt as if the earth is moving under me.
There is the story that the same happens to sailors coming from their ship, giving them a rather weird walk.
But it can just as well be that when you are for months on a ship that is twisting and rolling under you, you develop a habit to have a "wider" stand to stand more stable - especially when you can't swim, what was usual in the sailing ship era.
For a reason - ships like Cutty Sark from 1869 had over 20 sails and a crew of 23 men, when someone falls overboard, the ship would have to heave to, strike all sails to stop, and only them cold start to lower a boat and row back to the place where the man fell overboard. That can take hours.
thats you actually feeling earths rotation. If you can jump on another planet in instance you would feel difference
That "Thanks Bob" towards the end had me chuckling out loud and is 4am here. Haha. Brilliant
The failure to understand that we can feel acceleration but not velocity is another example of how flat earthers didn't pay attention in school.
We don't feel acceleration, we feel forces
@@freshrockpapa-e7799We feel the change in forces.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 We feel touch.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 acceleration is force. Acceleration = Change in Velocity over Time.
@@MeerkatADV Acceleration and force are completely different concepts man, you should know this
I thought you were going to show a VR world on a topographical flat map and a world on a globe map and see which one looks like what we observe. Someone should do that and see what looks the most realistic. Doubt it will ever happen though.
Ever been to a rotating restaurant. It reminds me of that. The whole portion of the building is turning yet somehow your able to eat a meal without the negative effects. It moves so slowly that it doesn't command your attention or mess with your peripheral vision. Maybe it's not the same but how is it not.
The sensations of VR, yes!! Those are really weird, DiRT racing game and Gran Turismo Sport on the PS4. Using the PSVR and a racing wheel, i can only describe as it messed with “my inner gyroscope”. My body reacted by bracing for bumps or crashes that didn’t come. I couldn’t do anymore than a single rally stage because I felt sick from the (lack of) motion sickness.
I still recommend the experience. I also recommend the games “Shuttle Commander: Hubble Space Telescope Missions” and “ADR1FT”. Shuttle Commander because, well, shuttle and Adr1ft for being such a beautiful, atmospheric (or lack thereof, being set in space and all) game.
I once played a game demo that let me jump really high. Landing was horrific because I kept bracing for a hit to my legs that never came.
Dave your point is well taken, but it seems to me that most of the flerfs are questioning why we don't have thousand miles per hour winds at the equator or 700 miles per hour winds at my latitudes. They don't want to accept the proposition that the friction of the atmosphere against the turning Earth has caused the air to rotate with the earth for the past four and a half billion years. I enjoyed this episode. Keep them coming!
Well they love to say that as soon as you leave the surface the ground should go rocketing away from you because the flawed concept that a reference frame is a location and nothing more. Yes they seriously think that a flying drone would not see the stars moving at night is the globe was ‘real’ the way they think it works.
The can’t grasp the concept of conservation of momentum, period. Either they don’t get it or they don’t want to get it.
@@Isolder74 They don't care to grasp anything. The Earth is flat because the shoes are made for a flat ground.
Maybe they should hold a cup of water inside a car and wonder why it isn't shooting backwards at 60 mph.
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Flerfs cannot relate their everyday experiences with anything outside those experiences. They will claim if the Earth is rotating, jumping into the air would mean you landed in a different spot, but know exactly what would happen if they stepped off a 100 mph train.
@@grahvis If you jump high enough fast enough (say, 1000 miles up in 1 second ;-)), stay their with the sideways momentum you've got on the surface, than come down after an hour or so, you would indeed land at a different spot, because your angular speed would've been smaller. Doesn't work with a few meters up/down for a few seconds, as the difference would be too small to measure.
We evolved on a rotating orbiting plant, of course we don't feel it. Life would be horrible if our bodies could detect our motion through space
Some people have never been carsick and it shows.
As a child, I used to read in the backseat of the car. At some point, I stopped noticing that we were moving. This then became a problem when the car slowed down/sped up or did tight turns; suddenly my inner ear noticed a change but my eyes were telling my brain that no, we are stationary. Cue the nausea.
...I don't read in cars anymore
Ah, it's that time again for the best behaving dog on youtube. (and his servant of course) 😀
Dog: "Debunk time = nap time"
The argument "if we don't feel motion, then we're not moving" does not entail "if we _do_ feel motion, then we _are_ moving". It's an "if then" statement, not an "if and only if" one. It leaves whether or not we're moving ambiguous in the case of perceived motion
I once flew from Ottawa to Helsinki via Frankfurt. On the way there I took some sleeping pills because it was a night flight and I couldn't fall asleep. When I woke up people started to stand up and grab their luggage. But I thought we were still in the air. I thought "what are these people doing??"
And then it dawned on me that we had landed already.
There is no difference between standing still and going at a constant speed.
There used to be a bit in the Haunted House at Alton Towers (I've no idea if it's still there) where you walked through a tunnel which had rotating brickwork projected onto it. It made me feel sick just walking down the tunnel, despite the fact I knew nothing was actually moving.
You didn't walk through the tunnel - the car took you through the tunnel and stopped for a few seconds inside. It was a very good effect. That section was still there a couple of years ago, but the ride has been revamped recently, so it may be gone now.
@@DrunkChimp ah ok, yes now you've said it I do remember that. Must've been 20 years ago so my memory was a bit hazy!
So if the earth isn’t moving on flat earth, that means the sun and moon are moving. So flat earthers, how fast is the sun and moon moving through the sky? What causes them to move? Why don’t they fall, what’s keeping them in the sky? What keeps the moons dust/soil from falling off if the side we see is upside down? These are just basic questions for you flat earthers
Apparently the answer is just that it does.
I've not used a VR headset but I've had similar experiences in arcade-based simulators and panoramic POV cinemas, like Cinema 180 at Thorpe Park in the 80s :)
There's something of a real world version of that corkscrew path, the footbridge between Cabot Circus in Bristol and the car park has a slight twist which gives a peculiar sideways feeling whilst walking across.
Watch the hour hand of a clock. Not really moving right? It's spinning double the rpm of the earth
To mention, or not to mention that there's no battery in the clock, because the ticking of the clock is infuriatingly annoying.
1038mph is 1038mph. The earth is little bigger than a clock.
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@@averyhaferman3474 I get it . Anything that only spins around once per day is slow lol. For most things maybe. For something as big as the earth it's 1038mph that it has to spin to cover that distance in 24 hours. Is an hour hand spinning at 1038mph? If it did would it spin more than once per day? Yeah, more like thousands of times per day. Does a hour hand have to travel the same distance as the earth to make one ( or two rotations ) per day? You can't compare to the earth to an hour hand except for rotational rate. The speeds and distances are astronomically different. 1038mph is and always will be considered very fast.
What debunks the Flat Earth is the fact that the Earth is round...
At a red light I’ve had cars next to me start rolling forward and it makes me feel like I’m going backwards, it trips me out everytime it happens.
Fairly common experience while sitting on a train and the one next to it moves.
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You've gotta try "space explorers" it's several epic parts all filmed on the iss, really long, uncut videos of the astronauts performing several experiments, including preparing for a space walk, it's 360° and literally like being there, totally jaw dropping, completely destroys "iss is fake" bullsh*t. You absolutely must see it, incredible.
One experiment that can be easily replicated by the flat earthers is time lapse video of the night sky. If the camera is pointed the north the stars will rotate anticlockwise, but if the camera points toward the south, the stars will rotate clockwise. It is impossible to explain this fact with flat earth model.
a common and similar non VR experience is driving up to a stoplight next to a large truck. If the truck moves forward a bit you feel like your car is rolling backwards.
Do you think if you we're to run into that cork screw would your brain have registered it fast enough where it makes you tip over or just become dizzy after? Probably tip over right?
I can already tell that you're going to be a large RUclipsr. Awesome content by the way!
The VR roller coaster simulator gave me motion sickness. It doesn’t even go very fast! I was sat on the floor the whole time with my hands flat on the ground and I could literally feel my body fighting not to topple over at the turns.
Virtual reality to VPN... nice segue. Great Video too. Thanks!
If we all lived on an undefined Flat planet, it would be obvious!
There would be thousands of observations that would prove a flat earth and be impossible on a globe. So where are they?
The first one will be presented any day now..... Just a little longer... Ehm... Waaaait for it...
Nope. Nothing.
I love that clip at the end where the camera is tracking the night sky and therefore the Earth in the foreground is seen to rotate!
I learn so much from your means of debunking even though I already had good concepts of this stuff. To present and make it funny tooo.❤ This nerd loves fun, and learning thank you.
"we don't feel it moving, so earth is not rotating" is exactly same as "we don't feel the plane/train/bus moving, so we do not travel an inch" despite apparent motion.
the problem with viewing content over a VPN to be in a different location is that the language could change so u can't read the site/app as well as how do u know what location has the show u want unblocked? U may need to search each location one by one, & who wants to do that?
Those things can fool our brains so easily, it's amazing! It's like a personal version of the rides they used to have at the great BIG theme parks (Disney, etc) - they may still exist, but I haven't been to one in a couple of decades. They'd have those moving visuals all around you, and you'd literally think you felt the movement! To have that ability in something you wear has amazed and bemused me since it became available, too. 😄
I love seeing your dog hanging out with you during the video! Your videos really are good but that definitely makes a great addition!
it is interesting that you bring different perspectives of methods to demonstrate why, that the Earth can only be a sphere the way it actually is, compared with many other science channels
There have been countless smoking holes in the ground over the years arising from pilots being disorientated. The moment we or the environment around us moves in a non-standard or unexpected fashion (eg. snow blowing across a road) or you take away or block our vision we start to become confused as to which way is up. Stick us in the air and the “fun” really starts. In cloud in when it is smooth you can easily start a gentle turn, so gentle you don’t even feel it. Within a very short period of time you can find yourself hopelessly out of control. We are not built to detect g below a certain threshold. Worse, we have no inherent way of determining which way is up. Not even birds have this ability. Enter the gyroscope.
Yes ! A couple of points - what you said about the floor seeming to turn may explain why the roller coasters app makes me sick to my stomach. I simply can't do them anymore. And there are 2 apps on Quest 2 that I absolutely love. One is where they have a 360 camera inside the ISS and the astronauts show you around - there is just no way it was done with wires and CGI, so take that, flerfs. Another one is Spacewalkers (I think that's the name) where there are several 360 cameras OUTSIDE the ISS as a team does their spacewalk. The first time I turned around and saw the Earth below me, it was a bit terrifying! But now I love to ignore whatever the astronauts are doing and just watch the Earth going by below me - it's absolutely majestic.
I love the fact that the name 'Dave'is becoming a Fatearther nightmare.
Hey... The first time I walked towards the house of Ripley's Believe or not at Orlando gave me a headache, because how my brain perceived I should be walking.
It's truly shocking the number of people that don't understand we don't feel movement. We feel acceleration.
Constant circular motion is acceleration.
Look it up your ball priest gloss over this fact.
@@jjevans1693 congratulations, you proved you don't understand freefall. And the acceleration due to the earth's rotation at the equator is 0.03m/s2. Easily figured.
@@MeerkatADV The earth is free falling at 67 000 mph around the sun. I get it. Loser. The earth is spinning at 1038mph at the equator according to you. The rotational speed is only small because of the size of the earth. Are you going to compare the size of the earth to a clock now. What's the speed of the hour hand of a clock 1038mph? lol
@jjevans1693 lol, I already told you the acceleration felt at the equator. Velocity is irrelevant when you aren't undergoing acceleration. Rotational velocity is irrelevant when discussing angular velocity. If you can't comprehend the difference I can't help you. This are pretty basic concepts if you were actually interested in understanding something. Nevermind the fact we've known the earth is round for 2500 years.
@jjevans1693 the earth's acceleration around the sun is 0.006m/s2, the sun's acceleration around the galactic center is even less. All motion is relative. And for the last time, we feel acceleration, not motion or velocity.
Very well put and right on.
I do believe the earth is round, no doubt, but I keep myself updated with these flat earth things, they often come up with a really great punchline.
I wounder if it would be useful to make VR experience or just landscape photos to be representing, what it would be like if earth was flat? Like for example, take those photos of Chicago across the Lake Michigan and edit them to show as they would on flat earth.
I once saw photos, that were edited to show, what it would look like, if earth had rings like Saturn and it was quite impressive.
Wow, my mind is numb.... this is honestly the first time I've heard the flat earth argument that Earth can't be a spinning globe because we can't feel it spinning. What?!?! THAT is their evidence? How do they come up with that?? That sounds like the thinking of a child.
They're seriously that stupid. They bring it up all the time like it's a "gotcha" moment. They don't understand conservation of momentum OR relative speed.
I was down hill skiing sitting down and was making a sharp turn and almost lost my balance. Playing Resident Evil standing gave a little motion sickness. :)
Just subscribed to you and already a new Video, must be great timing haha 😂
I have SOLID VR legs, but the extremely UN-detailed world of the demo Spider-Man game on Oculus...the first time I jumped off the building (probably about 45seconds into the demo) I about threw up because my stomach literally jumped. The Climb 1 and 2 also do this same sensation, I usually have to play it while sitting because if I look down (or fall while looking down) the same feeling takes me. I'm actually afraid that if I fall while playing The Climb 2 while standing up, I may well actually fall on my floor, even though that game requires (demands in fact) zero leg movement. Great video as per usual, flat earthers suck at reality, even virtually.
Why don't FLERFs study our vestibular system?
Thanks Bob!!
Now I want to go on a roller coaster while wearing a VR set, and in the VR world I'm just sitting still. Do you think I'd still feel the ride?
Yes you would, because of the rapid acceleration/deceleration and instant changes of direction.
Good chance it would make you sick if you are at all susceptible to motion sickness.
Again... I love this dog 😂 he starts talking, dog falls asleep... 😄
If it wasn't for gravity, we actually _could_ feel earth rotation. It would accelerate everything up