Cats who criticise what happened need to realise that the neutralisation was most likely caused by lack of medical staff rather than riders wanting an easy ride till the finish.
Yep, all ambulance were occupied with the crashed riders, none were available for a while and due to uci regulations they can't race without medical support. A similar thing happened at the giro a couple years ago but at the beginning of the stage, so there was time to just wait the arrival of other ambulances and resume the race after an hour or so.
"Roglic going down" well, what a surprise, he goes down every time he races. On this particular day, however, it's fair to stop racing, terrible conditions.
I don't think conditions where that bad honestly. Riders just need to assess risks and slow down like they used to, instead of going all out all the time.
Too many crashes in professional racing. It's a terrible spectacle and no fun to watch. High-profile wheels + slick tires, a great combination to go really fast but terrible in terms of safety (especially on rainy days). Thus all these crashes nowadays. Something has to be done IMHO. Crashes benefit no-one: not the viewers who have spent money on a TV subscription only to have the race neutralized, not the racers, who may miss the entire cycling season after breaking a bone, not the organizers whose sponsors can't be happy, not the teams who have invested millions in their champions only to have no returns after a crash, not the local authorities who pay the organization to have a bicycle race not a motorcade. Wheels and tires need to be changed to give better grip and more compliance, less rigidity.
@@colinADENDORFF-p1e Not when it's wet! Slicks do nothing to prevent aquaplaning, which is clearly what has caused these crashes. If these new tires are causing such issues, then serious consideration needs to be given to introducing wet/dry tyres, as seen in motorsports.
@@ApollonianDinosaur it depends. what you call aquaplaning is a thin layer of dirt or, like in this particular case, grease. there is also a difference how long it's has been raining prior the race. if the rain occurs after after a drought the tarmac becomes very slippery in the former case, but if it has been rainy for couple of days there would be no problem at all. it doesn't apply to grease, though. even a car would get some problems in the curves.
What the hell is going on? Is it low friction tyres!?. Is it Disc brakes? This never used to happen well never to this extent!!. Something is wrong that's for sure!.
These euro twats need to get some good old tar and chip surfaces like premium UK roads have, loads of grip after -a few years- six months when the original surface has worn back through....
It's a lack of concentration thing clearly, all the pro riders day dreaming about having rim brakes and butyl tubes as the rain fogs up their rose tinted specs....
Nothing to do with tyres or disc brakes, new tires are grippier then ever and disc brakes are way better in the wet (from someone who still rides rim). Biggest thing is riders are faster, the risks you have to take to win races go up every year as riders get faster. Bigger risks = more crashes.
Something has to give. Either there is something not safe with the tires, brakes or general technology or riders need to sort out their bike handling skills. It is getting to be beyond a joke. Rain has always been a reality in pro racing, never have they had to neutralise a race off the back of what are some quite mild conditions.
@@adrianbuck8772 And yet numerous pelotons throughout history have raced through worse conditions than this without mass pileups. It just seems bizarre. Why is it now that these conditions are 'just impossible' to race in? Yes, it was wet and slippery, but it wasn't technical. The peloton was not going full gas. Looks more like to me sudden loss of grip or adhesion with the road. The question is why? The scale of this is new, so something has changed. I don't believe the riders of the 80s or 90s didn't encounter similar conditions...
@@ApollonianDinosaur So you know the roads the raced on today? You have riding in them or know somebody which did recently. Sometimes roads get very slippery. Its just something which can happen. Especially new ones it can happen that things wash out from the rain. 50 riders dont crash because of inconpedence but because of the Situation.
@@adrianbuck8772 You are putting words in my mouth. My central thought was this: the peloton for decades has raced in adverse, wet conditions and yet we have never seen the kinds of recurrent, large-scale, season ending crashes that we have seen in the past few years. The commentators said it themselves, this is the first time the race has had to be neutralised following a crash in its 70-plus year history. Are you seriously telling me that a massive pileup caused by slippy roads on a non-technical part of the course where the bunch wasn't even full gas, and which has lead to an unprecedented neutralisation of the stage, is normal? Why are professional cyclists crashing more frequently on bicycles that are supposedly safer than ever before, with grippier tires and superior brakes? I genuinely do not have an answer for you, and I am not part of the anti-disc brake brigade. I am genuinely confused; this is not normal in the long history of cycling and something has clearly changed in recent years, be it the standards of handling or the technology used. And yes, as you should know, a massive bunch pileup can be caused by the incompetence of a handful of cyclists. All it takes is one nervous cyclist to panic, snatch the brake and go over the handlebars, and the knock-on effect can take down the whole peloton. How do you explain the above?
@@ApollonianDinosaur In general bikes and kits are getting more aerodonamic while the riders get lighter on average. Look at stage 1 of this Dauphine. An slight Downhill section with some Wind from the back and close to an bunch Sprint finish = 100 Kilometers per hour speed. So that makes the crashes in general more damaging. And the margin for error getting smaller due to the higher speed(less time to react). Why this stage got neutralisation was because of the current existing rules (number of medical cars required to be behind the Peloton) and the higher awareness which made the rules be in place.
No. It’s about the amount of riders that crashed not their GC Rank. If 30 riders are down and you don’t stop the race, then it would be a class justice case, because the lower tear teams and their riders would not get the same assistance as the top teams because their team cars would be way at the end of the peloton. Not speaking about medical assistance - this alone would be an argument to stop the race if 30 riders are down.
This is fresh tarmac loosing his oils + his water repelling surface. Seems like somebody renewed the tarmac the Night before. Usually they do this many weeks ahead to reduce the danger. And its dangerous for Cars too. Even in Germany for example they must reduce speeds officially for new tarmac sections Coming from unlimited speeds down to 80mp/h. Take care.
What BS. The fact that they still rode to the finish shows that it could've been riden. It is called racing! It's the riders decision to how fast to go. Too slick, slow down.
Bikes are like a kilo heavier after the introduction of disc brakes. I think the discs are causing the problems - waaaay too strong for road tires on wet roads. Locking the wheel is super easy in those conditions.
Fair play to the rider in polka dots, serious save stats on his rider card
Cats who criticise what happened need to realise that the neutralisation was most likely caused by lack of medical staff rather than riders wanting an easy ride till the finish.
Yep, all ambulance were occupied with the crashed riders, none were available for a while and due to uci regulations they can't race without medical support. A similar thing happened at the giro a couple years ago but at the beginning of the stage, so there was time to just wait the arrival of other ambulances and resume the race after an hour or so.
Visma can't catch a break, damnit!!!😢
That was horrific crashed. The roads were so slippery for racing.
It's the nonses on the bikes. Not fit to call pros.
I don't understand why they were on slick tyres when it started to rain?
Camlejane was speaking true when he referred to the last bottle and the need of 70% of the bunch to stay on the front!
"Roglic going down" well, what a surprise, he goes down every time he races. On this particular day, however, it's fair to stop racing, terrible conditions.
Oh so now cycling is only for fair weather days.
Worse than Grealish 😂
I don't think conditions where that bad honestly. Riders just need to assess risks and slow down like they used to, instead of going all out all the time.
@@marcvb3364 it's a race racing doesn't have a slow down especially if you're in the peloton chasing the lead group
@@chrisround5122Well motogp and f1 drive slower when it rains
no crash without roglic I would say :D
The copy/paste comedians… 🥱
Love Seb Piquet on the radio
Vismas hole TdF squat goes out the window one by one :(
Awful site. Too many crashes with too many big name riders
Wild!
poor people 😢
"High Tech tires".
Shiny tar lethal in dry and wet weather..
That's the one!
When will this guy learn to pronounce “peloton” correctly? It’s not “pelotun”!
Too many crashes in professional racing. It's a terrible spectacle and no fun to watch. High-profile wheels + slick tires, a great combination to go really fast but terrible in terms of safety (especially on rainy days). Thus all these crashes nowadays. Something has to be done IMHO. Crashes benefit no-one: not the viewers who have spent money on a TV subscription only to have the race neutralized, not the racers, who may miss the entire cycling season after breaking a bone, not the organizers whose sponsors can't be happy, not the teams who have invested millions in their champions only to have no returns after a crash, not the local authorities who pay the organization to have a bicycle race not a motorcade.
Wheels and tires need to be changed to give better grip and more compliance, less rigidity.
Studies have shown that slicks give the most adhesion. May be the compounds though.
@@colinADENDORFF-p1e Not when it's wet! Slicks do nothing to prevent aquaplaning, which is clearly what has caused these crashes. If these new tires are causing such issues, then serious consideration needs to be given to introducing wet/dry tyres, as seen in motorsports.
@@ApollonianDinosaur it depends. what you call aquaplaning is a thin layer of dirt or, like in this particular case, grease. there is also a difference how long it's has been raining prior the race. if the rain occurs after after a drought the tarmac becomes very slippery in the former case, but if it has been rainy for couple of days there would be no problem at all. it doesn't apply to grease, though. even a car would get some problems in the curves.
@@homelessathome I have just read that bikes cannot aquaplane, which is interesting. I am unsure why riders crash so easily now.
@@ApollonianDinosaur the races become faster and faster plus the route planners don’t give a shit about safety anymore.
What the hell is going on? Is it low friction tyres!?. Is it Disc brakes? This never used to happen well never to this extent!!. Something is wrong that's for sure!.
I think ist was really just the new road surface. The asphalt looked a bit bumpy too
Disc's brake,1 goes down all go down
These euro twats need to get some good old tar and chip surfaces like premium UK roads have, loads of grip after -a few years- six months when the original surface has worn back through....
It's a lack of concentration thing clearly, all the pro riders day dreaming about having rim brakes and butyl tubes as the rain fogs up their rose tinted specs....
Nothing to do with tyres or disc brakes, new tires are grippier then ever and disc brakes are way better in the wet (from someone who still rides rim). Biggest thing is riders are faster, the risks you have to take to win races go up every year as riders get faster. Bigger risks = more crashes.
Ridiculous. Can't race in the rain anymore just like F1 now? If it's too wet, just drive slower.
This reminds me of 2021 Belgium Grand Prix which is the worst race in F1 history
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Something has to give. Either there is something not safe with the tires, brakes or general technology or riders need to sort out their bike handling skills. It is getting to be beyond a joke. Rain has always been a reality in pro racing, never have they had to neutralise a race off the back of what are some quite mild conditions.
The road was obviously very slippery. Sometimes the circumstances are just impossible to race in.
@@adrianbuck8772 And yet numerous pelotons throughout history have raced through worse conditions than this without mass pileups. It just seems bizarre. Why is it now that these conditions are 'just impossible' to race in? Yes, it was wet and slippery, but it wasn't technical. The peloton was not going full gas.
Looks more like to me sudden loss of grip or adhesion with the road. The question is why? The scale of this is new, so something has changed. I don't believe the riders of the 80s or 90s didn't encounter similar conditions...
@@ApollonianDinosaur So you know the roads the raced on today?
You have riding in them or know somebody which did recently.
Sometimes roads get very slippery.
Its just something which can happen.
Especially new ones it can happen that things wash out from the rain.
50 riders dont crash because of inconpedence but because of the Situation.
@@adrianbuck8772 You are putting words in my mouth. My central thought was this: the peloton for decades has raced in adverse, wet conditions and yet we have never seen the kinds of recurrent, large-scale, season ending crashes that we have seen in the past few years.
The commentators said it themselves, this is the first time the race has had to be neutralised following a crash in its 70-plus year history.
Are you seriously telling me that a massive pileup caused by slippy roads on a non-technical part of the course where the bunch wasn't even full gas, and which has lead to an unprecedented neutralisation of the stage, is normal?
Why are professional cyclists crashing more frequently on bicycles that are supposedly safer than ever before, with grippier tires and superior brakes? I genuinely do not have an answer for you, and I am not part of the anti-disc brake brigade. I am genuinely confused; this is not normal in the long history of cycling and something has clearly changed in recent years, be it the standards of handling or the technology used.
And yes, as you should know, a massive bunch pileup can be caused by the incompetence of a handful of cyclists. All it takes is one nervous cyclist to panic, snatch the brake and go over the handlebars, and the knock-on effect can take down the whole peloton.
How do you explain the above?
@@ApollonianDinosaur In general bikes and kits are getting more aerodonamic while the riders get lighter on average.
Look at stage 1 of this Dauphine. An slight Downhill section with some Wind from the back and close to an bunch Sprint finish = 100 Kilometers per hour speed.
So that makes the crashes in general more damaging. And the margin for error getting smaller due to the higher speed(less time to react).
Why this stage got neutralisation was because of the current existing rules (number of medical cars required to be behind the Peloton) and the higher awareness which made the rules be in place.
Ever since racing bikes have had disc brakes and wider tires, there have been more mass crashes. Coincidence?
Please provide statistics or it is probably just recency bias.
Since that they have also been racing faster
@@AnarchoKapitalexactly this.
Roglic crashed again!!!!!. It's can't be by accident this is happening to him all the time
Today was not his fault
If it were average riders who crashed they would still rode the race instead of neutralizing..just to say (class justice)
No. It’s about the amount of riders that crashed not their GC Rank.
If 30 riders are down and you don’t stop the race, then it would be a class justice case, because the lower tear teams and their riders would not get the same assistance as the top teams because their team cars would be way at the end of the peloton.
Not speaking about medical assistance - this alone would be an argument to stop the race if 30 riders are down.
A main reason for stopping was that there were no more ambulances to stay with the peloton if the race restarted. Put your tinfoil hat away lol.
Kinda funny how the disc brake was supposed to fix those kinds of problems on wet descents and yet they are happening more often than ever xD
disc brakes w/o abs it makes the tyres skid unlike rim brakes gradually stop the bike
This is fresh tarmac loosing his oils + his water repelling surface.
Seems like somebody renewed the tarmac the Night before.
Usually they do this many weeks ahead to reduce the danger.
And its dangerous for Cars too.
Even in Germany for example they must reduce speeds officially for new tarmac sections Coming from unlimited speeds down to 80mp/h.
Take care.
OMG DID ROGLIC CRASH....i mean, no surprise haha
Disc brakes and slick tyres in the rain . Poor planning.
Wrong
The pros actually request tyres with a tead pattern even though it doesn't help with grip, that is down to the compound
Dumb ass post. Tyres have tread
@@petercotterill5105 and you know this how
@@troycollett8540 An article in Cyclist magazine
everyone knows due to disc brakes
What BS. The fact that they still rode to the finish shows that it could've been riden. It is called racing! It's the riders decision to how fast to go. Too slick, slow down.
What a joke! The very essence of the sport neutralized. Unfair to the break as well
Its for safety issues. No medical staff left, no ambulances etc.
There were no ambulance left without the possibility to get others in time, due to the uci rules with no medical support they can't race at all.
Bikes are too light and too fast gravity always wins
Bikes are like a kilo heavier after the introduction of disc brakes. I think the discs are causing the problems - waaaay too strong for road tires on wet roads. Locking the wheel is super easy in those conditions.
I freni a disco stanno rovinando le gare di ciclismo su strada
abs könnte helfen. oder die gute alte felgenbremse bei solchen etappen.
Seems like it is end of cycling. Those "pro" cannot use brakes, too much ZWIFT and no skills. Sorry. Time to go on Virtual platforms only.
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pametnjakovič, se ti upaš peljat 660 po mokri cesti...
Se piove se nevica se c'è troppo sole si annulla tutto questo sport è FINITO!!!!