McEnroe: Nadal Is Not the GOAT, He's the GLOAT! | The Commissioner of Tennis | French Open 2018
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- Rafa Nadal's 2018 French Open win at Roland Garros does not make him the GOAT according to John McEnroe, aka The Commissioner of Tennis.
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It's amazing to realize that Nadal has won more French open titles than McEnroe has grand slams; 13 to 7. Then add the 7 other grand slam titles Nadal has. He matches McEnroe's 7 on the other surfaces alone. Just amazing.
He is coming for Sampras! hahahahaha
You left out THE MOST seminal statistic:
"During McEnroe's tenure as #1, U.S. tennis lost 35% of its twice a week players. A
most representative indicator of a players $$ investment in the game of tennis."--
TENNIS Magazine
McEnroe is a sociopath.
Honestly, mcenroe wouldn’t be THE mcenroe if he played today,
Don't forget that nadal had to compete during the federer/djokovic era. Arguably the toughest period in tennis history.
Forget McEnroe, Sampras was the GOAT of 90's, and Agassi was the runner up.
Nadal now has 14 french opens, to match Sampras total of GS, and he has 8 non FOs, to match Agassi's.
Update: 22 GS and 14 times French Open winner. GOAT, period.
#3 , Fed & Djokovic better look at weeks at world number 1. Nadal a clay specialist
Is it all about wins?!?
Think about it.
Its over when Novak says its over
@@DannyBZ9 a clay specialist who has 7 slams outside clay. F off
@@reikiriyama977 and ZERO year end championships!! Fed & Djoko have what at least 5 each ??
He just won it the thirteenth time after murdering Novak.
Where are you today my friend?
He just lost after being murered by Novak
Novak is murdering him since 2013 on hard coats yet to win a set loooool
@@crab_striker1961 How about now??? hahahha GOAT always coming back for revenge even without a foot
@@draxxm714 2 hc matches in 6 years
Greatest Lefty of All Time
Greatest Clay Player of All Time.
I’m a Federer fan for life but I had mad respect and special love for Rafa Nadal.
Mc. Enroe made his statements when Nadal collected 10 RG GS. now that Nadal has achieved t tally of 12, what will Mc. Enroe say?
well, when he visits a fruit shop, instead of asking for a dozen bananas he will say give me dozen french lol
I am here for the same reason , I remember this from last year , so I came back to see what he has to say now about FO #12
Me too. Cant wait for his comments lol
He would say the same
GLOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nadal is an example, not just for tennis players or for sport professionals, but for everybody. I think getting such a high level of performance in any discipline requires a 100% working body and mind both perfectly coordinated and maximum concentration. Now, I would love to see how he trains in a daily basis and learn from it. Bravo, Rafa.
It’s called STEROIDS.
Another frustrated guy...
Matthew Cross lol 😂
Matthew Cross you should ask Federer about STEROIDS coz he knows better about them like we saw since the AO 2017.
Matthew Frustrated Cross wouldn´t win a game even with steroids and a machine gun in his hands.
Idc about GOAT discussion. 11-0 French Open finals. 8 Wimbledon titles. And then theres Novak, another freak. We are VERY lucky to watch these guys at their best.
jazz magician "another freak"😂
After these guys retire, I'm retiring from watching tennis.
@@macprice777 - The quality of play is gonna decrease but the competitiveness might increase as maybe 8-10 guys will have a shot at getting each Grand Slam, like in the old days.
Dan Arnets Great point. I’m just such a big Novak fan, and love the consistent greatness in the big 3, so will be sad to see it end.
Watching this after nadal beats thiem for the second time makes me laugh as hell and for the same reasons he mentioned here, no mentality no cojones
Once Rafa and Federer are gone , the next batch of tennis players will have to be created in a lab.....Too high standards set......
without these 3 tennis would b so boring
@Dood
Rafa
1st grand slam title: Age 19
2nd GS: Age 20, beat Federer who was then ranked no.1, in the final.
Federer
Beat Pete Sampras who is 7-time Wimbledon champion, at Wimbledon in 4th round, at age 19.
1st GS title: Age 21
Current batch of younger players aren't too bad, of course. It's just that Rafa & Federer have set the standard too high. None of the current batch of younger players managed to emulate the achievement of either one of Roger or Rafa when they were as young.
Let's hope Thiem, Zverev & Tsitsipas can up their game, while we hope for the next batch of young Rafa, Federer or Djokovic to appear.
Never lose hope.
Luckily they are Aleraez and sinner,
Roger an Rafa set numerous standards that is impossible to reach. Dont know what the future of tennis holds.
Hussein Nour And Novak idiot
Erik Lönnrot O with : is the only joke.
milan vesovic Novak who?
Jk
Soderling , now theres a joke!
Hussein Nour wait til you see Lebron with a tennis raquet. Coming soon!
Soderling still cant figure out how he beat Rafa after 9yrs..Hahahahaha!
Nadal was hurt period.
Nadal parents divorced just before that match so he was mentaly instable
@@djihanehamdaoui2948 His knees were in pain throughout the tournament and were getting worse and worse, so much so, that he didn't even defend his title in Wimbledon next.
Injury
@ensayofr yesss i know but he didn't play between Roland Garros and US open cuz his parents divorced +injury+ his lost against soderling but he made the greatest comeback in 2010 he won everything ,it shows his great fighting spirit !
Roger - James Bond (Elegant, Smart, Stylish)
Rafa - Gladiator (Tough, Strong, Furious)
Forget the numbers... They both deserve 25 slams considering the runner ups.. Its all about the inspiration with two extreme personalities and style in the same sport. It's impossible to be both. You have to settle with one that suits our personality and style. That's why the never ending argument. Thanks to both in making other tennis generation jealous about us :)
Ranjith----you forgot one on Rafa----LOUD
Roger is more Rod Laver and Rafa Jimmy Connors.
Best comment out there.
But still, Roger is the best :p
Ranjith---actually, you do make an excellent point....i believe, Roger is better....if Rafa can pull off a 2 more Aussies and 2 more Wimbledons....HE WILL CHANGE MY MIND....i guess, we will see
Ranjith How about Novak and Andy? :)
Greatest Lefty Of All Time, of course.
Not acorrding to John (McEnroe).
Well said.
Not really a lefty he has fooled everyone it was uncle Toni idea.. Master tactician when you think about having a young right handed player and to say let's start over and try with the left..
He's lucky that Tomic doesn't play with his left.
Can you imagine how good Nadal would be with his precision and touch if he had chosen to play with his BETTER hand? Nobody ever considers this obvious fact, they just see him playing as a lefty as "cheating" almost. People are dumb.
As much as Mac is taking the piss out of the endless GOAT debate, he has a point. I respect the hell out of Federer for being the most talented tennis player to ever step foot on a court. But I admire and root for Nadal for being the most passionate competitor I have ever seen. And he's able to do it without the histrionics of some in the past (not to take a cheap shot at Mac.) Not everyone has the opportunity to be the GOAT. But we can all aspire to be the "GCOAT."
I dont know if Nadal is the GOAT but sure he is the greatest sportman spirit hand to hand with Michael Jordan, period...
... and Pele.
Vitoll...Absolutely agree! I´ve always said that about Nadal.
yes... he just plays his game... and always says good about the opponent when he loses...never gives any excuse...never weeps...hides his pain...takes people hitting him on the chest and makes minimum fuss about it...
his family too just sits there and watches the proceedings - they dont make loud noises/critiques etc...
Jordan is not at sportman spirit of Bird.
11 French Open titles. This kind of dominance of a tournament will probably never be touched
Make that 12 😉
13 😅
Make it 14 and 22 slams
You're arguing about who's the GOAT, when you should feel privileged to see 2 great athletes. For me, who's a fan of Roger, 2goats are better than 1, one on grass and the other on clay.
Finally a smart comment from a fed fan.
sonny macapagal good point... but I think Sampras was better then fed on grass and djokovic is the best hardcourt player... but fed is the second best Grass court player and the second best hard court player
Sampras was nothing but an overrated ace machine. Most players outplayed him from the baseline, but for every baseline rally he lost he won five points with serve without having to play the point. He profited from the very quick surfaces. In today's tennis he'd be a glorified Berdych at best.
True.....but even Rafa will NOT be winning French Open when he is closer to forty than 35......fed won on skill a bit more. Everything Fed wins with now was there on day 1 on earth....no assembly required. Guys like Rafa & Nole may even deserve MORE respect...as they had to acquire their tennis ability. Guys Like Fed * Mcenroe did not
Novak is the goat..... only player with winning record vs everyone.
Rafa..an amazing tennis genius...but more importantly a man to be admired..for integrity and humility..and that's why he's the GOAT
THIS! The most precise and simple reason why he is the greatest ever. I wonder why it’s so hard for some to understand.
As much as I admire Rafa for his humility, Federer is equally humble. That's what makes them both the greatest of all time.
Because Federer is such a liar and a boastful player, right??
You're out of your mind.
Take away his clay court wins, he's got 6 GS'
Take away grass court wins from Federer and he has 12 GS'
jpracingph what are you on about? Nobody said Federer’s a liar or boastful
@@HerculesSkills "man to be admired..for integrity and humility"
The OP about nadal. Implying that Federer doesn't have these traits. Understand now?
The great thing is that they are both still playing. We re so lucky.
If Nadal wins another Wimbledon title... that would change a lot of things in the way he'd be considered.
TheFlooooooow mexican will skip wimby.
Actually if he wins another Australian Open, that would be more beneficial. He would have won all the majors at least twice. Not even Federer has done that
Yes exactly ! He's really close to manage it. I thought about a Wimbledon title because it's THE Grand Slam. But yes, AO would be awesome : Federer cannot win another Roland Garros so... he would be the only one to unlock this achievement.
He has two, that's twice more than Federer has clay slams.
You`r wrong friend.Neither of them need to prove anything,maybe"the Djocker" does...
Presented by the also GCOAT. Greatest Commentator of all time
Ahem, Robbie Koenig.
Rafael lost to Novak at the 2015 RG because he was COMPLETELY OUT OF FORM, injured and messed up. NOT because Novak was unbeatable!
EricWithaC----and that is why nadal loses....because he is injured..????
Because Nadal 2015 was completely in a thrash form. Countless of players have beaten him through out that year, Nishikori, Dustin, Wawarinka, Fognini(few times), Berdych, Murray and a few outside top 100 that i couldnt recall their names. He also lost all 3 clay tournaments before the French Open. Hence it should NOT be counted.
no you are just blind like most of his fans
Of course it should be counted. It happened, fair and square. Nadal just wasn't playing good enough with his shotmaking and other areas. You can't pretend to ignore it just because it shows him as being something other than unbeatable.
Novak/Rafa H2H from 2011 through 2016
All surfaces. Novak 19, Rafa 6.
ON CLAY - Novak 7, Rafa 4.
Rafa out of form all seven years?
These vids are great! Love the way the builder dude is always cracking up at the end of them
Nadal vs Federer rivalry:
All-time matches - Nadal leads 24-16
All finals matches - Nadal leads 14-10
Grand Slam matches - Nadal leads 10-4
Grand Slam Finals matches - Nadal leads 6-3
So Fed has ONE more Grand Slam? So what? That's the only possible argument for saying Federer is the GOAT. As soon as Nadal wins one more and ties it up, there is absolutely NO argument to say Federer is better. NONE.
Oh ,and Nadal has a singles Olympic Gold Medal that Fed will never have.
It should not concern us which of the two is the GOAT. Rafa is the greatest and most humble hero in Tennis period! What he has achieved is incredible-Epic!
...or maybe Greatest Legend Of All Times! Vamos Rafa! ❤ A por el 14th Roland Garros!
Mr. John McEnroe I think your a little bias, not only has Nadal won 19 grand slam titles but he has played against the 2 rank Joker and 3 rank Federer in their prime, let's face it Nadal has had a tougher road, Federer started to pile up slam titles before Nadal and Joker came into their prime, and Joker started winning titles after both Nadal's and Federer's careers started to dwindle a bit. So sir you tell me who has had the tougher road to success.
My top 10 list
1. Nadal
2. Joker
3. Federer
4. Laver
5. Sampras
6. Borg
7. Budge
8. Agassi
9. McEnroe
10. Connors
Everything is relative, the GOAT question also. It depends on us, on our favourite style..Personally Federer is my favorite athlete, and obviously Rafa is also a great player, a Legend. And I respect all his fans who see him as the GOAT or even the WGA. Another reason why all this is relative is that time continues, and no one can predict what will happen tomorrow. They called Borg the GOAT, then Sampras, now Roger and Rafa...
There is nothing absurde for me than advancing arguments (H2H, rankings, GS..) to convince others and impose on them our personal choice !
Hamza Ennaji I'm a huge Rafa fan but can't ignore the true greatness of Federer too.
For me, GOAT wise, it's hard to choose.
This two represent 2 different ways to play the game of tennis, two perspectives.
איתי אברהם
I do agree with you !
well said
That so true.. every era has their own GOATs... no one or nothing is forever!!
Man I swear this old man is getting more and more crazy and energetic when he gets older
I don't think Rafa is really bothered about if he is the GOAT or whether or not he will surpass Roger's 20 GS. So even his fans should not argue about it. Rafa himself has said that to him, the greatest player is Roger Federer. So, all arguments should end there. We Rafans know who Rafa truly is and we need not give any explanation to any one, either to the Roger fans or Novak fans. They all have their own emotions and reasons to believe that Roger or Novak is the GOAT. But I believe, number of Grand Slams or the number of titles won or the number of weeks one has been at No. 1 position are not everything and only things to define a great sportsman. There are too many other factors too. Like personally, I love Rafa's behavior towards his opponents, I am amazed by his humility even after having won 18 GS and his ability to fight back each time after a big set back. I love the way he fills the court and stadium with a lively energy that emanates from his passion for his sport. I love the way he conducts himself each and every time on court. Rafa is a true inspiration - A true gentleman with a true sportsmanship spirit.
I agree with everything you said. I'm a RAfa fan first. I would like to add that the only player that rivals him in sportsmanship is Roger.
Yes, now he's just pitiful.
Sorry. I refer here to John, not Rafa
No matter. Rafa is never given the credit he deserves.
Cass Ann he soon will be, when he catches up with and even passes Federer.
Of course he is given credit. You have to be quite fucking good to have such a dominant H2H against someone who is much more talented than you. Rafa is the greatest competitor in tennis history and perhaps sports history, the greatest defender, the hardest working tennis player i've ever seen and his winning mentality is something to be amazed at. Is he the Greatest Of All Times? No, simply because Roger Federer exists. Even Rafa himself has said it, "If someone says i'm better than Roger, that person knows nothing about tennis", and while Nadal is sometimes too humble, he wasn't wrong in that one.
Talent is a term of laziness. You could not define it correctly. All of those top players are of course well talented. That's 99% work. How ridiculous to say Federer is "much more talented" than Nadal. You don't know that. What I see, what we can measure is that Nadal beats him, and his a more complete tennis player, winning both on clay and on hard surfaces. With more than (only !) one GS on clay, oh mama, where would he be in the GS count ?
Angel Of Astora you know nothing about tennis 😲
Oiseau Rare By more talented i mean that, Roger can play every shot in the book. Federer can play almost every shot Rafa can, but better. Have you seen Rafa serve as well as Roger does? Play dropshots, offensive slices, around-the-post shots, backwards-running smashes, lobs, fake shots? No you haven't, and every other tennis expert will tell you that Rafa is less talented than Federer, but he was able to compensate for that with an amazing mental fortitude, hard work and one of the best bodies tennis has ever seen. Rafa is given credit and he is praised. He is the second best player in tennis history after all. Oh, you might wanna work on your english a little bit.
Best head to head record in grand slams of all the big 3. Vamos rafa!!!
coming from you,jmc,thank you for those wonderful things you have said about rafa.iloveyou,jmc
Fed’s 8 wins at Wimbledon are phenomenal no doubt. He won only 1 French. Whereas, Nadal has won 13 French and won at Wimbledon 2x. Rafa has won every other slam at least 2 x and his 100-2 record at the French defies belief. It HAS to be considered if not the single greatest record in ANY sport, at least tied with them. Other notables come to mind, like a 50-0 record for Floyd Mayweather - insanity! Michael Phelps domination at the Olympics - also insanity. But while 50-0 is ridiculous, what then is 100-2? It GOAT stuff. Period. Trust me, Fed and Novak tried hard to win the French - but Rafa’s TOTAL domination at the French will in all likelihood never even come close to being approached. Finally, that Rafa dispatched the world’s #1 so easily in straight sets, humiliating Novack in set 1/2, c’mon! Plus, consider when Rafa met Roger in the French final and spanked him in straight sets as well! PLUS, Rafa has beaten Roger on his best surface - and the final of a Wimbledon! Rafa is at the very least TIED for the GOAT. Roger has 20 more singles titles overall, BUT Rafa has many more ATP Master’s 1000 titles. Roger’s other titles are ATP 500 series (lessor in status BCUZ lessor players). Rogrer’s record of most semi-final appearances is ridiculous as was his # of weeks as #1 player. ...but to all the haters out there, c’mon! THIRTEEN French! 100-2 record at the French. My goodness
Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal. That's 49 grand slam titles between the three. Let that sink in.
Approaching 60 now 😅🤯
So this was recorded before Rafa's victory and posted after?
Before
I think it was broadcast on tv just before the final, but they just published it on their yt channel
what does that matter nadal no were close to the goat
Have seen a couple of comments about how Federer had several years when he had no competition, whereas Nadal has always had good competition. My understanding of this is that Federer was simply better than all his competitors during these years. Not his fault. Pretty much the same description can be applied to Rafa on clay - he has no competition. Should we therefore diminish his achievements on that surface?
That makes no sense, I'd still prefer a thousand times to face a noname than to face Federer or Djokovic on clay
Nadal is the GOAT but Mcenroe comes from the old era where tennis was about the flair and grace, Nadal comes with the grit and toughness that people old guards like Mcenroe do not quite like.
and what will you say now, Mr. McEnroe ?
The same
GLOAT doesn't necessarily mean he isn't the 🐐
@@MHPROMI Well he wouldn't say it like that if nadal in his opinion is indeed the goat.
Roger Federer skips Roland Garros 2018 because he knows he can't win it. Hardly a good attitude for the title of GOAT.
Let's see what Nadal is doing when he's 37 - maybe missing some tournaments?
Swainston You know what? When I was shaving after having posted my comment I thought: "wait a minute! Federer is 36 and one reason for his still being active is to have known to preserve his body" (I felt it on my own skin at the ATP Finals 2014 when I was in London for the final match and Federer declared w/o over a minor injury). I made my comment still under the impression of Nadal's power shown last Sunday (I was there). Then I decided if somebody points that out I will immediately acknowledge. So here I am!
Rafa is the GOLEM - the Giant Of Lumpy Earth Material and Greatest Of Lefties Ever Made.
... just wow.
He is the GOAT simply because neither Federer not Djokovic had so many injuries as nadal yet he never gives up
Even though I used to hate his guts when ever he won against Federer, I have to admit that he is one of the best athletes in the world.
i agree. apparently, many people find out hard to separate a player from his off the court/field persona
Sometimes or more it feels like RAFA is not playing but fighting the tennis. Brutality, aggression and punches he throws just left you numb.
Just think what he could have achieved if he hadn't missed tournaments because of injuries.
YES HE MISSED 15 GRAND SLAMS AND IS 5 YEARS YOUNGER THAN FED!!!!!!
John, the Commissioner of Tennis, you need to keep creating these crazy amazing videos! I watched this one and others 2 years ago and I still enjoy them today!
Yeah, love it.
Genuine and Genius content
Absolutely agree with you Mr John he is the greatest comparator of all time and now with 12 France open he is both
When both Rafa and Roger retire, they will be the standard by which all future generation tennis players are measured.
I like John McEnroe, am sure I would have enjoyed watching him play tennis in his time as much as I enjoy watching Rafa Nadal play marvelous tennis these past 7 years! A McEnroe & Nadal fun !!
Let me add Roger Federer too! These decades tennis icons.
Interesting facts: Nadal has scored the best winning percentage against the Big Three at the majors. Nadal owns a 20-11 record (10-7 vs Djokovic and 10-4 vs Federer) against his biggest rivals; Djokovic is 18-16 overall, and Federer is 10-21.
And in the 2019 RG GS, the 'trapped' one is Thiem again.
John Mcenroe: Rafael Nadal is GLOAT
Rafael Nadal: I am GLOAT.
Yuvraj Singh: Am I joke to you Mr Mcenroe. Do you watch cricket 🏏? I should be GLOAT.
Roger and Rafa play completely different game styles, yes Roger has more GS, yes Rafa has dominated a surface like no other, yes Roger is winning slams at 36 and yes their head to head is more in Rafa's favor but they also have a substantial age difference. I think if your a true fan of tennis you should appreciate each player for what they have achieved, Rogers immense consistency over his career is mind-boggling, his fluid artistic play style is without doubt the most silky smooth player to have played the game and his raw talent for pulling shots off that no one else can is quite something, but Rafa's competitive and machine-like determination as well as his incredible athletic play style should also be appreciated too. When it comes to the GOAT argument it has to come down to personal preference. For me Roger is the most gifted tennis player the world has seen. Rafa has had to grind his body and style of play to the absolute max to reach his peak and that's more physical talent than tennis talent. You just have to see Roger & Rafas practice sessions to see what I mean, Roger doesn't even appear to be practicing all that hard and Rafa is putting 400% in all the time, hence all his injuries. Roger took 6 months + off and came back and won the Australian open at a grand old age. Rafa's game style wouldn't allow him to do such as he needs lots of matches. It really depends on what you base your criteria for the greatest on.
Please! Will whoever is responsible for these silly, over the top rantings of
Mr Mcenroe's please STOP before he makes a COMPLETE fool of himself ! ? ! ?
Thank you for exactly describing why I think roger is the best we have ever seen. If I ever want to tell someone how I think about federer I'll just copy your comment xD
McEnroe, you are correct, Nadal is the greatest GLOAT of all time. Congrats to Rafa on another French. Anyone else know of any other lefties that compare?
But he is not a genius like You.
'The ball was on the line, chalk blew up...'ah ah one of the funniest moment ever.
Fed had 3 maybe 4 years without any major comp, so rattled up a lot of slams from 2003 to 2007 until the likes of Rafa, Novak, Murray & Wawrinka came along... Rafa has had them all and more now to handle... Take a look at Fed's slam time line to se what i'm talking about...
You mention that Fed had 3 or 4 years when he had no real competition. So you mean he was much better than his competition. In that case, all of Nadal's French open wins were against 'no real competition' as he is so much better than all others, on this surface.
Nadal is the GASSOATLTBBBBBTTTT. now figure THAT out!
This looks and sounds like a bit of a Lewis Black impression. If McEnroe added more anger, started swearing, and was more aggressive with his ticks, then it would almost be spot on.
McEnroe is genius 😂
He's not a genius,he can't even pronounce Rafa's name. Why do most Americans say" Rafee-al".?
Rafa has eliminated one surface entirely from competition. How insane is that? 13 ROLAND GARROS!!!
I was ready to call Djoker the co-goat if he had beaten Nadal at 2020 French open but not yet.
What makes Rafa the GOAT is that he was there beating Roger during his prime years (2006-2010) and has
kept up with Djoker on the slam count in the 2010's.
Final tally when they all retire:
Rafa - 23 slams
Djoker - 21 slams
Federer - 20 slams
I love lefties in all sports. They are special. Thumbs up if you agree.
I like leftie guitar players 😄
He is actually right handed but was coached by his uncle to use the left hand instead of his natural right.
One of those vids where you know you're wasting your time watching it, but you just can't seem to get your hand to click away....
Very well said Mr. McEnroe.
very professional introduction, well done JM
I would not disagree with anything Mac has to say expect I don''t believe Rafa would ever let anyone beat him. If he losses it's just a bad day for him. On top form he takes no prisoners!
On clay. On hardcourt and grass he is much more vulnerable.
That was awesome Mr. McEnroe- Nadal is a fighter but Roger is the polar opposite - he doesn’t have to fight because he is so graceful and sublime. I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly. They are 2 Pearls of modern Age Tennis 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Rafa has better head to head record against federer. So federer can't be better tennis player than rafa. (They have played significant amount of matches against each other so we can conclude)
There are very very few sporting records that will never be broken. Rafas 12 French Opens will never be broken. Nobody is ever going to win 13. It's impossible...it ain't ever gonna happen...EVER
Nadal is the GOAT for me , just we cant take it for granted because Roger has more Grand Slams. But they are so close so everyone has their own opinion. If they tie some day then i think that Rafa has the advantage in the GOAT Race
Agreed. With the GOAT debate people forget that Roger is 5 years older dan Nadal, and the GS count difference is only 3.
I think 2 things are stopping Nadal to be called the outright GOAT. 1) He never has had even 1 WTF trophy (though you could argue it is because it is always played on hard court so it's more favourable for Fed) 2)His GSs are not equal to RF's (though he can still manage to not only equal but surpass it).
I have done a research lately about the grand slams that Roger has won when he plays in the same tournament as Rafa in full health and shape.
Federer has won 11 of his 20 slams when Rafa competed
While Rafa has won the 15 of 17 with the exception of the 2 Rolland garros. Last year and this year.
So... the weak era that Roger dominated exists and it is true
Also i think that if Nadal win Wimbledon this year ( something that almost everyone doesnt believe but its not that impossible) many more people will believe he is the Real GOAT
And as for the WTF i think that in the next 2 years he will win it. Just once. The man thing is not to be injured in this part of the season.
Nadal is the John Wick of tennis: "Nadal is a man of focus , commitment, sheer will..."
Rafa at this point is already greater than Fed. Rafa beat Fed on grass[Wimbledon] at his peak. Beat Fed on HC[Australian Open] at his peak[even made him cry]. But Fed will never beat Rafa at RG.
As of today, he IS the GOAT, actually.
Yeah Johnny Mac,Rafa Nadal" the monsta of Mallorca"...LOL
He has improved a lot with his back hand. Every player who plans to beat Nadal plays against Nadal back hand, but he does not help. Because Nadal can use his back to dominate his opponant and then he finishes the point with his forehand.
Remember folks, Rafa is 5 years younger than Roger and trailing by 3 slams. Apart from a long or career ending injury, their is nothing that can stop Rafa from being at the top of the list.
Yash Shah---if nadal only wins the french over the next 3/4 years...he won't be considered the goat.....winning one tournament does not make a goat.......he needs to win MORE of the other gs to be considered goat...remember he has only 1 aussie and only 2 wimbys......he needs more...
Yash Shah was
naxohv---that is what i am trying to say ....HE NEEDS MORE OF THE OTHER GS TOURNAMENT VICTORIES to be considered the goat........and again...dominating ONE tournament...DOES NOT MAKE A GOAT
If two slams out of four were on CLAY then Rafa would have 26 by now and Roger about 10. Why is there more on hardcourt than clay? Quite unfair. Clay is the healthiest surface and dominates Europe. American domination of ATP is the only reason why two out of four are hard instead of clay.
TCIASC----not completely true.....at one time...there were 2 clay tournaments and 2 grass.......in the beginning, if my info is correct...they were all grass....and the renshaw brothers developed the clay court for roland garros........and in the 70's...the Aussie and Wimby were grass and the US and the French were clay.....in '79, i believe the US went to hard......and in the 80's the Aussie went to hard......so...no..not because of american domination........just the way it is......i think MONEY has something to do with WHO has what....??
GLOAT. Laver was true lefty with one handed back hand. Lavers true double Grand Slams are untouchable though. Rafa is untouchable too. All good tennis debate which of course proves nothing. Apples and Oranges. I am grateful to have seen Laver and Rafa and Roger et all. All hail our fantastic sport of tennis for those who have played watched and studied.
Maybe the better question to ask is, who would you rather be? If people were being honest, they would all say Federer. Aside from all the insane records and streaks that Federer has, Nadal has put his body through hell. He would have retired in his 20's if not for medical procedures that he gets where they inject his own plasma into his knees. Cutting edge medicine saved his career. He wouldn't have had that option in an earlier era. He has said he suffers out there on the court, that he's always in pain. His game is built for clay and hard courts are a struggle for him physically. Even Nadal fans have to be honest and admit they would rather be Federer. I admire Nadal greatly but he's #2 all-time. Which is amazing, higher than most people ever thought he would be. He proved me wrong, and so many others. I didn't think he'd be this great. I was wrong. But he's not greater than Federer. No one is.
Yes Rafa is not only the GOAT, Rafa is Tennis, exsample for all player what is tennis about
Rafa...G.O.A.T.🐐🐐🐐
20-20 in 2020 means that Rafa now is the G.O.A.T.
Funny and True!! #VamosRafa#GOAT
2015 wasn’t coz Djokovic was playing out of his mind 🤣🤣🤣 Rafa was injured af and said he would’ve skipped if it hadn’t been French
A title on clay counts more IMO than a title anywhere else. I consider clay more difficult. You can't win with just power and speed. You need a strategy, a great variety of shots and plays, a combination of patience and aggression, lots of stamina and mental toughness, and superb overall tennis skills. I would also consider the singles gold medal at the Olympics the equivalent of a Major in clout and importance. Also Davis Cup success carries a lot of prestige for a player. With all these things considered, Rafa is a lot closer to Federer than simple Major count indicates. I'm not saying he's objectively better... yet.
Agreed 100%, clay is the toughest court in tennis!
Grafight23---how is slower better than faster ..when it comes to the physcial aspect of the games???.....don't think so.....i don't think you play sports......
Calo---...slower is not better than faster......don't think so........
How boring would baseball be if the pitches were so fast that nobody ever got a hit? How boring would tennis be if it got so fast that all you'd get is an ace contest? How boring would table tennis be if it got so fast that you couldn't see the ball at all? How boring would boxing be if every fight ended in the first second of the first round with just 1 single punch? Faster isn't always better. Also the only thing that is "slower" in a clay court is the ball after bouncing. Everything else is faster: You gotta run faster to get to the ball, you gotta hit harder to overcome the bounce, you gotta move faster side-to-side to defend in rallies, so no, only the bounce is "slower" and just by fractions of a second, not enough for your eye to notice, but enough for the player to get a better chance at a return.
Grafight23----the pace of the ball isn't what i was talking about....it is the quickness of the player on the court that matters ...when it comes to clay vs grass/hardcourt.....and if the pace of the ball is a little slower, then the pace of the player...is....a little slower
Rafa is GIAT ...... Greatest inspiration of all time ❤️❤️
Off the top of my head, there are 2 major statistics in which Rafa has the advantage. H2H and Master 1000 titles, but think of something, Roger is the best grass court player of all times, but there has never been a title of that category played on grass. If that wasn't the case, Roger would have at least 3 more 1000 titles. And the H2H is pretty simple, Rafa has always been almost unplayable on clay. Take away that surface and they have played 23 matches, with Roger leading 13-10. Is it Rafa's fault that he is so good in terre batue? Well, yeah it is, and he should aim to that. Is it Rafa's fault that they have played so many times in clay? No it's not. Just like this whole "Roger played in a weak era before Rafa arrived" is not Federer's fault. He didn't choose to play Philippoussis, Roddick or Baghdatis. He had to beat them and he did. So these two statistics, while quite meritorious, are not enough to say Rafa is the GOAT. Roger has more GS titles, more GS finals, more weeks as World N°1 (both consecutive and overall), more titles, more ATP wins, and something quite impressive, Roger has five or more titles at 3 out of the 4 Grand Slams (6 AO's, 8 Wimbys and 5 USO's) meaning that Federer has been incredibly succesful at not one, not 2 but 3 out of the four greatest tournaments in the tour. He is not the player that we all know just cause of a "weak era". Another curious fact: Rafa hasn't made it past the 4th round at Wimbledon ever since his '11 final, losing to players of a much lesser category than himself (Rosol 2nd RD '12, Darcis 1st RD '13, Kyrgios 4th RD '14, Brown 2nd RD '15, DNP '16, Muller 4th RD '17). While Roger has had a better performance in RG since his last final, also in '11 but losing to players of a much better level in most cases (Djokovic SF '12, Tsonga QF '13, Gulbis 4th RD '14, Wawrinka QF '15, DNP '16, '17, '18)
Hi John...this was good, but wanted you to know..I ruined my left ankle trying to serve like you do...thanks a lot Mc!!
Why would he need to be the GOAT when he's the god of clay?🤔
Exactly, clay is the TOUGHEST surface of all! A THIRD of the ATP tour is clay, hence whoever dominates clay is one/third GOAT. Federer is two/thirds GOAT, at best. Or because he is completely demolished by Rafa on clay, he isn't GOAT at all.
@@Rrtnns Federer is not two/thirds GOAT. He not the best hard court player. That's Djokovic after what he did to Rafa at the Australian open 2019
Is not fair for nadal, there are 2 gs on hard courts, and even like this, rafa has 17 gs championship, the same gs that federico had when he was 35 years old,
Rafa is the tennis goat!!
Vamos Rafa!
Aùn te quedan unos 3 años màs para ganar unos 4 o 5 gs màs!!
Of course Rafa is much more than GOAT ... Rafa is The GOD OF TENNIS get it ,haters
BeautifulSoul haahahahahaa...nice one!
BeautifulSoul----dominating one tournament does not make a goat......roger, obviously, has a much more well rounded game than rafa....and THAT is why he is considered the goat
Your soul doesn't sound very beautiful...
He will win 20, maybe 21 22 grand slams before he's done, he will then be without question GOAT
Nah he actually needs to win considerable number of slams on other courts too in order to be a GOAT. One surface bullies aren't actually GOATS . Djokovic and Federer are more eligible for GOAT debate than Rafa
Can't wait, he win at next Wimbledons, us opens and AOs, and he is still 31, he has possibilities to win more GS and surpass Federer
Doni Erik he actually turned 32 on 3rd June, but still he is still young and can achieve more, I hope we will see him for many years to come.
Laura Gs OK, 32 is only 1 year extra from 31 😁, this year 2 more GS, next year 4 GS, and still more to achieve. I believe he can achieve more
Junior Santos actually he played good he was just not successful like federer in RG over the past few years.
Doni Erik-----as long as his body holds up
Doni Erik 33 and I think either fed, Murray or Nole will win those
What do you have to say now that Rafa tied Roger for most majors you old angry man?
Funny Mac
Novak will soon be the undisputed GOAT.
Nadal will remain the GOATOC for all eternity.
I just hope that Novak doesn't tie or break Federer's Wimbledon record, so that Federer can at least remain the GOATOG.
Funny how English speakers can't seem to pronounce ¨Rafael¨ properly to save their lives hahaha
It depends on if you're anglicizing it or not, which is completely valid and customary.
6 years ago we all thought no body will catch up to Rogers 17. Now we have Roger on 20 and Rafa on 17. Who is the greatest comes to personal preference. But if you just look at numbers Roger is still ahead.
not anymore, therefore at this time and Age Nadal is the GOAT holding 21 G Slams
I honestly think that to decide who really is the GOAT, we should have a global vote. But I think all Rafa fans know what would happen. Federer is by far and away more popular than Nadal. He's got more titles overall, more Slams, more weeks at No.1, more world championships (Nadal has none), more fans favourite awards, more Sportsmanship awards, more grass titles, more hardcourt titles, more indoor titles, he's beaten Nadal 5 times in a row and the last 3 matches were straight forward for Federer, Nadal hasn't beaten Federer since January 2014, if you take away Rafa's French Open Titles it leaves him with just 6 Slams but if you take away Roger's 8 Wimbledons it leaves him with 12 which is double what Rafa would have which proves Federer has a more complete all-round game. You cant argue with statistics guys. Then you get on to longevity and there's nobody that's looked after their body more than Roger. Just one surgery in a 20 year career but Rafa has had loads and he's alot younger which proves Nadal doesn't play wisely and surely to be the GOAT you have to be able to look after your body. If you were to ask all the legends of the game who the best of all time is I can guarantee you there wouldn't be many that would pick Rafa. Nadal is for sure the greatest player on clay ever but just not the best overall because this guy Federer will always be in the way.
Morgan Kevin Nimmo Good explanation and totally agree.
If you go by the social media numbers,Nadal is the most popular tennis player in the world.
Sai Teja Social Media numbers are misleading because Rafa has been on social media much longer. Example: Rafa got on Twitter in 2011 and has 15 mill followers. Roger got on Twitter in 2013, and has 12.5 million followers. ESPN did a list of most popular athletes worldwide recently, Roger is 5, Nadal is 8 or 9 I think.
Smite Stuff can't you read?
Sai Teja Reread my comment
I will bet Novak spent a lot of money figuring out Nadal.
Why does RogerFederer did not play Roland Garros or even any tournament on clay? Because he has panic about Rafa Nadal.
oscar cano----after the age of 30....in any sport...you are pretty much done...your body can only take so much...............when rafa gets to rogers age...i guarantee you...he will slow down
Sheeza Mann
They said that many times before, even before he reached 29.
Because he's smart, he's saving his body, and is reinventing how long a tennis player can play. He will go down as the great innovator of tennis who influenced everyone else, including Nadal. Uncle Toni used to play tape of Federer to show Nadal his footwork.
John Bills...and man bat-----hey guys...yesterday, on the internet, nadal was deciding whether to play wimbledon...did he...or did he not........i wonder why he would decide to do that????
oscar cano You mean that Federer has beaten Nadal in their last five matches? 😂🐧
I caught myself thinking who's is in fact the greatest of all time ? Rafa or Roger.
One thing is bugging my head:
Because of the 4 Slams we have, 3 of them are on fast courts and just one of them on slow surface, and Rafa has 17, Roger has 20, what if It was 2 Grand Slams on fast courts and 2 on clay courts, it would be more fare even for comparison between the two players. Since is not like that, lets go with this: Rafa won 11 on clay and 6 on fast (Roger won 19 on fast and one on clay), so he is more diversified. And he is 32, Roger is 37. Still history to be made for him. What do you guys think?