Gonna pin this here to foretell a few reactions! This video was written, edited, and completed before the Dawko stream with the Edwin reference in FLAF. While I have some thoughts on that - I don't think it's 110% confirmed that Talesgames is true (though it's looking likely). That being said, as I mentioned in the video - this game is undeniably in a separate continuity to the original Frights books, as this overwrites the original. Any connections between Tales and Frights rn is more likely to confirm StitchlineGames than FrightsRebootGames. Regardless, this video is purely my opinion and I invite you all to speculate and discuss in the comments! As always, I will try to respond to as many comments as I can. Happy theorising :)
Let's say The Mimic was created in 1979 while Edwin was 23 years old (I think that was his age), and by the time The Storyteller happens he is 70 years old, then that story needs to happen in 2026. (And if Security Breach happens in 2026 or 2027, I don't see possible that bears are extinct by that point) So what I think, The Mimic and The Storyteller will be remixed. (Only those 2 stories)
@@Browhatisyoudoingwhy can't the 1979 from the trailer be a confirmation of the og story timeline placement and the game take place on 1980 (since it has freddy's coming soon)
I think people tend to forget that one candy cadet story: Some stories are just stories. They are important because they explain details and make the characters have develpment and such but they very easily could be just parcially canon, or just a way to clarify certain details.
Fnaf story is like a folklore. some details are missing, at the same time some details added to make the story more sense. But there's always main points, the storyline that make the folklore
ur like the only person i would ever watch a video on the topic of canon from, because youre so good at cutting through the noise rather than making it even noisier
I agree. I think this is at least close to the canon lore, people normally just overcomplicate/overthink things, but Unwithered Truth looks at it from a logical standpoint.
Honestly, his Sister Location video is one of the very few FNAF theory videos I absolutely agree with because of his methodology. In particular, the Springlock suit in Sister Location is the very one mentioned in FNAF 3 coming from a sister location because......why wouldn't it be? Very simple through line.
I still cant shake the feeling that the family in the movie verse is reversed, with movie Henry's family having the same number as game afton's kids, and movie afton having one daughter
In the Novels, William only has Elizabeth, and nothing seems to imply he has more than one child. And Henry has two kids, Charlotte and Sammy. So maybe the movie is taking inspiration from the original story Scott intended, with the first 4 games. In the movie, Mike has two siblings. Which we can see in Fnaf 4. In case you're wondering where's the sister in Fnaf 4: The sister is the one playing with the toys outside, she says "Look at my collection" (or something like that) she has Chica, Bonnie and Freddy, right? If it's a collection, where's foxy? It's in her room! Mangle is part of her toy collection. The story Scott intended was about three families: The Emilies, the Aftons, and the Schmidts. Then Sister Location happened and Scott retconned Mike (along with his siblings) into an Afton. The movie it's about the og story, with some differences of course.
Love seeing Toy Freddy as a hypothetical FNAF fan, FNAF theorist, and/or even a viewer of the video rebuttling about things with their different beliefs and interpretations
22:49 The problem with multiple continuities in a mystery series THAT IS STILL ONGOING is that it leads to unnessesary confusion and it's hard to tell what even matters anymore. It's hard to get invested in a spin off that doesn't matter to the first mystery when all of your time and energy has been put toward first one.
Me too. He did confirm that the Silver Eyes books are in an alternate timeline, same with the movie. This means that fangames the community makes could exist in a different timeline/universe.
Tales, after having a story of the indie game dev from Help Wanted, Patient 46 from SB, and one of the observatory rooms and giving us the origin of tje new main antagonist, gets confirmed to be in the same timeline because of David’s Tiger plushie in Help Wanted 2’s upcoming update
Ok tbf not really poorly because the Trilogy is absolutely a different timeline and the movie is that or an entirely different universe (and ofc so is fnaf world and the troll games) but still
I love that I got this channel recommended to me. Like, finding small channels with a crazy good production value when compared to the size of the channel feels so good!
Ya know, I’ve always figured that the “multiverse” theory would work well in the FNAF universe with all the different stories, and it would seem the fact that it’s confirmed that they’re making a FNAF movie franchise makes *this* confirmed too. 😅
Great video! I’ve been pretty out of touch with the franchise for about 7 years, but your videos have made getting back into things much more approachable. It’s like people see any detail and try their hardest to make it fit in instead of looking at what’s being presented in the big picture.
I really appreciate how you are able to understand how behind the scenes stuff with Scott and community errors affect games/other media. Like u said, people aren’t perfect, so theories mess up and Scott makes mistakes, and that’s important to know.
Unfortunately, the further the series progresses, the more we have to start factoring stuff like this in. In the past, we only had to worry about Scott, as a singular creator of every aspect, but now, with so many dev teams and artists and authors, the margin for error has greatly increased. I kind of want to make a short discussion video on the subject but not sure if it'd be something people would respond to
You’re the only channel I’ll ever watch a fnaf theory from besides game theory. I’m not sure why, there’s something so captivating about the videos and the way you present the evidence. The production value is really amazing and I love your approach to the story.
Personally, like you said at the very end, I subscribe to the idea that this game is a game within a game. It's something I thought about the moment I saw the menu screen and the credits. First of all, this isn't the first time that Fazbear Entertainment would have done something like this (cough, cough - help wanted - cough, cough). Or is it? More on that later. We view this story through a TV screen. This is shown in the main menu, credits sequence and even in between each loading screen. It's a detail they didn't have to add, but they did. Almost as if this is actually an in-universe cartriage game that we ourselves are playing. Furthermore, the story this game depicts is very much something Fazbear Entertainment would commission to 'make light' of the original tragedy. They notably get details wrong in this story such as the fact that, while there were 6 victims of Afton (and perhaps more), there were only 5 murdered on that particular day (or so we think). Or perhaps the premise of the game where you dive into a time-travelling ball pit that shows you 'what happened' even though this is far from the truth of what ACTUALLY happened is enough to tell you about the shadyness of this story, as if they're trying to muddy the waters and make the rumours that already exist even more vague and unconfirmed as to what happened. Even the idea that the killer in this game is not a man wearing a rabbit costume, but instead its own MONSTER. It's not some guy, it's its own breathing thing, which in-turn kind of dehumanises the event and paints it more like it's a scary story/rumour or even an urban legend. Furthermore, I think this game is actually one of the games that Fazbear Entertainment mentions in Help Wanted that was created by a 'rouge indie-game developer'. The one they actually hired to make a bunch of games to make light of what happened. And I believe the Freddy bully in FNaF 4 is actually this indie-game developer. My primary reasons for thinking this are the details concerning the Freddy mask we can find in Ozwald's attic and the storage room in the past version of Jeff's Pizza. Starting with the Freddy mask, on rare occaisions, when you enter the attic, a Freddy mask would fall down and is one of the only items you can trade with Jet as being 'vintage'. Outside of that, it has no other use. It just feels like such a weird detail and kind of implies that Ozwald's father was there during the 1983 Bite which we don't even know if that event occured in that ITP game continuity. This last detail is admittedly a stretch, but something I wanna point out anyway. In the beginning of the game, we are forced to go into the storage room to hide from Chip and Mike which acts as our game's tutorial for hiding. I find it particularly interesting that we are instantly brought to a place that references Fredbear's so heavily. We literally slip into a Golden Freddy suit, which is an alternative version of Fredbear, and we see Fredbear posters along the walls. To me, this implies that whoever created this game has at least seen these Fredbear posters and knows them enough that they very closely resemble the ones we can find in Security Breach. It's also in this room where we first get a good, close-up look of the monster, as if implying that it's the start of something bigger. It's also intriguing to me that the game makes an effort to point out an exact date here, that being June of 1985. And, in every other game, anything related to Golden Freddy or Fredbear's is always shrouded in so much mystery, but in this game it's one of the first things that the game makes you pay attention to. Almost as if this game was created by someone who wants to really draw attention to these details and might have been involved with Freddy's for longer than one would think. But, looking through this theory's lens, it kind of makes Ozwald's father out to be a self-insert of sorts. An older, middle-aged man who has a history with Fazbear Entertainment that he is detailed in the game as not really wanting to talk about his past with the restaurant. Am I saying that this game is saying that the FNaF 4 Freddy bully was kidnapped by a monstrous William Afton in a yellow rabbit suit into a ballpit that takes you back in time? No, of course I'm not. But I do think this is the Freddy bully's attempt to perhaps tell a little about what actually happened without breaking the lengthy contract that he no-doubt signed with Fazbear Entertainment. And, before you say that the timeline of the Freddy bully being the guy that creates these indie-games doesn't add up, it actually CAN add up. If we assume that the Freddy bully is middle-aged, maybe around 45, by the time he starts making these games and that he was around maybe 14 during 1983, that would mean that he started creating these games at around 2014 which coincidentally fits with when FNaF 1 was first released. Even if you smoosh the numbers around a bit, his age still lines up for him to be working and maybe have a family of his own by this point as well as these games being released early BEFORE Help Wanted, but not TOO early so that what happened at Freddy's is now little more than an unsolved mystery, like in Fazbear's Fright. This also kind of implies that we are slowly learning more and more about these FNaF 4 bullies and how the Big Bite event impacted them. We know what happened to Michael Afton, FNaF 4's Bonnie bully is the father of Cassie and went on to be a Fazbear Technician in the Mega Pizzaplex and this theory suggests that the Freddy bully went on to create a bunch of indie-games by commission of Fazbear Entertainment to further muddy the waters of what happened that day, but perhaps these games were a little closer to the truth than Fazbear Entertainment would like... That means we still have to learn about the story of what became of the Chica bully in FNaF 4. This is a new story about new characters, but characters that tie back to the very origins of the tragedy at Freddy's. OR there's the alternate and more simpler route that this is literally just a video game based on Five Nights at Freddy's that we are simply supposed to enjoy as a game. It doesn't need to be a part of ANY continuity and can just be a fun game for FNaF fans to enjoy. My theory is shared by many others and literally only exists if you are hellbent on trying to put this game somewhere within the game's continuity XD
Excellently put! It's either an in-universe game or straight up a parallel universe. I like the idea that's a parallel universe, so Scott can make more of these games without having them affect the main timeline too much. I also like the theory that the Freddy bully made this game. Great comment!
11:40 There actually is a 4th option and personally I think it's most likely. Phone Guy from FNAF 2 directly tells us that FNAF 2 isn't the same location as the MCI. "Uh, now, I want you to forget anything you may have heard about the old location. You know, uh, some people still have a somewhat negative impression of the company. Uh, that old restaurant was kind of left to rot for quite a while, but, I want to reassure you, Fazbear Entertainment is committed to family fun and above all, safety." The Week Before tells us that FNAF 1 is the FNAF 2 building just with renovation. 1. We know from FNAF 2 that they will reopen with a smaller budget and that Ralph will work Night Shift. 2. "You have the layout memorized, even after recent renovations" 3. "It's also company policy to have a security guard posted in each room while the animatronic is present ... But that was before the restaurant closed. Since it reopen the rooms haven't been needed" 4. "Some branches lead to dead ends for no discernable reason while others let out to dusty rooms you don't even recognize. It seems like whole sections of the building have been closed off over the years, or perhaps they were expansion that were abandoned before completion." 5. "'Where is your location?' 'Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza' you say. 'Freddy's I thought that placed closed up. After that horri---' She draws in a shakey breath. 'I didn't take those calls, thankfully, but I heard the recordings and, well it wasn't pretty.'" All of these lines suggest that parts of FNAF 2 were boarded up in order to lower the maintenance of the building. It would also explain the 2 boarded up rooms in Follow Me. We know there is only 1 Saferoom, meaning thoses were boarded up for a different reason which this book finally explains. Not to mention the police phone call referring to the Bite of '87 suggesting it's the same location.
Fnaf 1 not a renovative version of Fnaf 2 It’s a renovation of the 1985 location, which is also the fnaf 1 location 1. There’s the safe room which is abandoned after the multiple spring lock failures. 2 phone guy in 2 says You may have noticed there are no doors for you to close, heh. But hey, you have a light! And even though your flashlight can run out of power, the building cannot. So, don't worry about the place going dark.
@@Browhatisyoudoing Ummm... no... 1. FNAF 2 is confirmed to have a safe room from the Night 6 phone calls. 2. The safe rooms weren't closed because of the MCI. FNAF 3 Night 6 phone call. They are stated to be sealed due to budget cuts at most not all locations. 3. At the end of FNAF 2, we learn the location is opening on a smaller budget, which explains the power difference. Also, guards complaining about the animatronics explains the doors.
yes, they rebuilt an exact replica of the mci location in the fnaf 2 location even though the ending of fnaf 2 said that they'd reopen with a smaller budget! remodeling an entire building's interior costs money. great theory gambit sir!
@@jeremymorris345 1. Uh no it doesn’t. They just brought golden Freddy suit in the back room as well. 2. “ the simultaneous spring lock failures” 3. No the phone guy quote is what he says on night 1 he’s referring to the Fnaf 1 location
Thank you for making this video. I did not think this game was in the games continuity because it felt like you had to ignore 75% of it just to make it so. The games tell you that you're time traveling. In the description, the trailer, and just how the game functions but that doesn't make any sense if it's cannon so the community said it has to be agony screwing it up instead. That doesn't even make much sense when you take into account; The agony would just make it more accurate if scarier. So thank you for finally allowing me to remove this headache of a game from my cannonicity murder board. As I was just succumbing to the will of the community. That being said I do think there's like one thing in this game that is actually important and even if Frights/talesfiction is true still makes this important: The photo and the Dad items. The photo of Henry and William. Besides it being further proof of the games version of William and Henry and the games continuity being completely different from the novels and actuality giving us a cannon design for game William (fun fact the sprite of the photo on floor actually has color on it so the colored design is still cannon so yay!) I think it has a greater purpose. As I noticed something with the Dad items and the strange things you can find in TWB. The Dad items are: A nametag, a photo, a vacation photo, a wallet, and his wedding ring. In Twb there are 2 strange items that inexplicably appear with no explanation: An old id hidden behind a poster, and the golden ring, implied to be a wedding ring, hidden inside a cupcake. Now granted we know the ring was placed by Cassidy as she imitated Browen Light (look up that theory if you haven't it's spectacular) to trick Ralph into stopping the animatronics. You could say this ring came from her but that's never implied, nor is she impied by married she's a junior reporter to so she's probably young anyways which while possible feels very unlikely to me for her to have been married. But what if these items are meant to imply something like ShatterLiam instead of Shattervictim? The wedding ring could easily be William's as we know he had a wife. Same with the id card implied to be from a long time ago; perhaos it's William's from Fredbear's (or possibly Frdddy's but I doubt it.) This would also explain why Pitrap randomly stole your Dad's stuff and then threw it way. Especially why he abandons chasing Oswald to grab the photo before glitching out: He wants his pieces back. Maybe this game is in-universe, like an arcade in the saferoom(?), where part of William's agony was attached. I don't know, maybe it's just a coincidence. Bjt it feels too similar to not be important to me. If more items, like William's wallet, appears in RTTP I'm calling it though. It's also another alternate to the shadows I have to think about. But what do you think?
The idea of William's agony attaching to an arcade machine is really cool. But I don't know, we'll have to wait for RTTP to release. For now I take this game as an in-universe game/parallel universe.
@@LadyLuckyLu Same honestly it's super cool and ITP like is it's own thing. But I do find the Dad Items and Twb items weirdly coincidental. Tbf there's no wallet or second photo but... Hmm.
This video was beautiful. It felt so much more than just a theory. Something about your writing or editing, it just works so well. It is a very hotly debated topic so I’m not fully convinced, unlike with your FNAF 1 1989 video, so I will wait for more media like Return to The Pit. Still, this really informed me, and overall just a spectacular theory.
Super in depth with the media, timelines to follow, definitions, categories, ect. As well as having such an awesome channel theme omg 😭😭🩵🩵 absolute GOLDDDDD tier video man !! MEGA props, your hard work will DEFINITELY go far
Wow thanks so much!!! I always wish more people dove into definitions because I know I can sometimes get lost when people start throwing out theory names and using language that isn't necessarily familiar to me - whether it's FNAF related or otherwise. Glad you enjoyed!
Another important point many people don't understand about canon is: You can have it both ways. The games can be a separated story with no connection to the books from the games pov, but from the books pov the games can be part of the story. I think biggest example is Final Fantasy 7 and 10, where in the story of FF10 some genius kid founds the company that plays a major part of the FF7 Story, but FF7 has no connection at all to FF10.
Yes this is a very good point. I always think of an (admittedly pretty niche) example that comes from the CW Flash show. After the first 2 seasons, they released a follow up tie-in comic that acted as a sequel to season 2, but by the time season 3 started, there was no reference to the comic. Seasons 1&2 were canon to both the comic and the rest of the show, but that didn't make the comic canon to the show.
I agree, I still believe that * some* of the Frights stories are about stuff that did happen but not 1 to 1, they could be in-universe books. I believe that Tales are somewhat in continuity tho, since Security Breach was such a hot mess (and not what Scott intended) Scott is using them to clear up the confusion the game caused. "But Five Laps at Freddy's this and that!" FLaF seems to be an in-universe game. The steam description says "Sponsored by Fazbear Entertainment." So we should take the whole game with a grain of salt. Another thing to add to the gravestones in HP 2, they could have * easily* added a 7th gravestone, it was the perfect place to show it; the gravestone could have been out of reach, hidden, or obstructed, anything; implying that there's a secret 7th victim that is not resting. But they didn't. I take the books as a parallel universe, Spiderman is a great example. The same events happen in both continuities, just not exactly the same or with the same characters. Does Edwin exist in the games? Sure, why not. Is his story EXACTLY like the one in the book? It doesn't have to be. Look at Henry. In the novels he kills himself with a robot, but in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim. William in the novels steals Baby from Henry; but Sister Location seems to imply William created Baby. Don't get me wrong, I lean towards Talegames, just not so much Frightsgames. Great video and the quality is top notch like always, the intro was siiiickk!
To add to the point about how different the location is from what I’m pretty should be FNAF 1: while I’d say that one specifically is kept pretty consistent it it’s layout in general, TWB from what I could tell is about the exact same as the game, it has gone through a few changes like the parts added for the movie….. the one exception being the security office. That thing is so iconic even security offices in SB call back to it with about the same look: and from what I can tell, the movie, TWBs version, and just about every other instance I can remember use the classic FNAF 1 office layout almost exactly. This isn’t a dig at ITP, it’s not a bad office and is probably much better than 1s, but still; if we’re supposed to be given the impression that the location is the same and the changes are gameplay only, then i feel like the devs would do a better job at it given how good the game is.
One thing I will say well I do think this game is canon. I do believe the story is an intentional, parallel to midnight motorist (when I say parallel, I mean the actual version of it the game in the character share similarities with what’s going on with that mini game, but it doesn’t make the game non-Cannon) Let me explain The plot of the game story is about Oswald, who lives in a house with his mom and dad 3 people. Oswald see the MCI and his dad is replaced by pit trap the agony manifestation of Williams bad deeds. Oswald in order to start pittrap has they keep going back to “that place again” and pittrap tries to stop him from going back by checking on him. Pitrap is also tormenting Oswald. Also an Easter egg is that the stitchwraith can appear outside the window Midnight motor story The Runaway is a kid who lives with his dad and another, he keeps going back a place that his dad doesn’t want him to keep going back to that place and he promises when the son comes back he will be sorry. When the orange guy who is confirmed to be, William comes outside there’re our footprints, but they’re only seems to be one if we use the into the pit story we can sort of figure out what midnight motorist is telling us Oswald is representing Michael He Is associated with foxy throughout the entire game . In the classroom hallucination, the other 3 kids wear Freddy Bonnie and Chica . Oswald seeing the MCI is very similar to foxy go go go even with William standing there smiling . In the bad ending, it’s implied Oswald’s character that he possesses is foxy. . Oswald add a 4th paper to the team . Pittrap sees Oswald as his son and pretends to be his father. Pittrap represents William (I don’t really think I need to explain this.) The couch person represents Miss Afton . In MM there is no other car at the house this means the person on the couch uses William’s car . The person on the couch talks to William with authority they basically tell him what to do The stitchwraith Easter egg could represent two characters for MM Shadow Freddy or golden Freddy I think shadow Freddy would be the most likely
Dude, I also came to the conclusion that the characters in Midnight Motorist are William, Michael and his mom (Though using “Coming Home”, a Fazbear Frights story that can’t be compatible with the games canon, as a parallel to the family in Midnight Motorist)
Wow, I used to always think the couch person was clearly Mike due to the gray shirt and the fact that Mike also likes watching TV, but the moment you brought up that Oswald is constantly tied to Foxy, an animatronic used to represent Michael, I immediately was like "OH, okay yup this guy's good, I'm convinced", plus after some thinking about it, there is no way the Crying Child/David would ever break a window to escape since the poor baby is always crying and curled up in a ball, he would be too scared to escape with someone like freaking Fredbear, you know, the animatronic that he has an intense fear of likely thanks to his child killer bastard of a father named William Afton (Such a good fatha of the year, giving his son not just a phobia of Fredbears, but also Winnie the Pooh who he may mistake for Fredbear due to being yellow and also a bear).
@@Flowermations I used to believe that too, but I’m 100% Michael is the runaway not the couch person 1. Crying child being the run away doesn’t fit with his character at all. He’s not a rebel. 2. The house is a completely different house from the Fnaf 4 house and Elizabeth is not there which one it makes sense she doesn’t die until 1985 3. Fnaf 6 Riding Rockets minigame song is called the Runaway. The mini game uses helpy and helpy throughout the game represents Mike 4. In five laps at Freddy Freddy’s the dice have 1987 and the MPH has 187
@@Browhatisyoudoing Okay, I'm a little confused, I thought you believe the couch person in MM was Mrs. Afton? Did you mean to say you were 100% certain that Mike was the runaway kid?
Its important to note that the way Scott uses Canon and Continuity is the literal defintion of those words, even though people these days say canon to refer to continuity. Every instance of the word canon he specifically uses is still the proper usage. Scott is Christian, Canon is a commonly used word in Church, because everything in the bible is Christian Canon, but not everything can co-exist, because there are a lot of contradictions. That's how they explain to kids how the stories inside are metaphors and not literal.
I’ve always lied the theory that all the fazbears frights books and the tales from the pizzaplex books are in universe books fazbear made to help cover up any rumors that sprout up, and if their in universe media then that would explain how some frights characters appear on security breach arcades, that would in turn make Into the pit game a in universe game to help quell any rumors about the MCI, or as a way to make money and profit off their original books they wrote, it always seems to fit to well to me, then again that’s my own opinion, ik not everyone agrees with it, love the video can’t wait to see more in the future 💯
It's probably not canon to the mainline continuity, but is canon to a new one, or something. Also, "details from novels don't match the games" isn't that much of an outlier when you remember that literally none of the games match the novels perfectly. So the reason Scott and everyone else are comfortable with calling it canon is because they think that "canon" doesn't mean the same as "canon to the original timeline", which I guess makes sense.
Oswald’s dad could be Bonnie Bro’s (Cassey’s Dad) “parallel” across continuities. Oswald is just a parallel of Cassey in many ways. Great way to highlight our newest (pre HW2 update) family dynamic to the capital “C” Canon.
I think it truly is just a story. But it’s the amalgam of several viewpoints. Since it’s the agony of SEVERAL kids, the stories are muddled together. This explains a lot of things that point to various games. The kids all died under (sometimes slightly) different circumstances. Some things from all deaths would be the same; such as the golden Bonnie suit being its own entity instead of a suited killer. Also about the kids running away, all aware of what’s about to happen. They all scream and run when he shows up because their memories are “scary and bad,” not necessarily just “eventually kills me when alone.” It’s the strongest part of the memories for all of them, so it coalesces into an actual entity. Not just a dancing animatronics like the Faz-bots. And definitely not something with a person inside; More like a true monster. Their memories and fears are muddled together to tell one complete story. This is why so many details point to so many different games. They’re not simply Easter Eggs, they’re more like the Agony of different kids projecting memories of different places/layouts into one big Pizzeria.
i love Anderoth65's video on the matter. The agony being Williams just clears up a lot of stuff/ questions i had. Instead of looking at everything as a general "this is a puzzle to use for the other games" you simply look at it like "This is how william sees things/remembers" 6 children? Well... Even though its not technical... The puppet is also a victim. and is always connected to the MCI. So that would make sense. Especially since its williams agony. Fredbear posters? Well... William would know and fawn over Fredbear. So though it wouldnt make sense in the timeline... if you see it as "this is williams past/what he thinks about" its more acceptable why HE would see the posters. The people finding out about the killlings? Could just be what william thinks would happen if he got caught. Anger on what couldve happened if he wasnt as careful. Wheres foxy? Well... even though williams son killed the crying child (Had the foxy mask)...William prolly wasnt angry at his son anymore. After he tortured him... plus after a long time... he prolly didn't hate michael anymore before he died by the springtrap. His agony wouldnt hold on to foxy. Cause theres no anger anymore.... so theres a lack of foxy. If its true that Oswalds Dad was one of the bullies... even more reason for william to abduct him. To show the pain he felt. Sure. The game prolly seems like it has inconsistencies. But i usually chalk it up to agony. Not as a band aid.... but moreso to explain why this game exists. As you said. Its not always gonna be a puzzle. So... just look at it like its a story. This is how william came back (oswalds help). It also hints to stuff we didnt know before. like what happened to the other bullies (oswalds father potentially) Its not a "timeline fixer" at least i dont think its what its trying to do. Its trying to make the story clearer . and unfortunately it comes at a cost. Cause its williams mind/his thoughts... its about what HE wants to focus on. not us. If im wrong im wrong. But thats how i feel. Its canon to the story. Its just not made to fit in the TIMELINE. its focusing on the STORY.
Yes! Anderoth65's theory is pretty good, some parts are kinda reachy but I still like it. The part that made me go "oooh interesting" was the faded splatter you can see in the secret room; under the chair Oswald's dad is. Love his vid. Even if his theory is completely wrong, I still really like the idea.
Yes 1. The developer said they had to change some stuff to fit with the lore 2. The game implies Oswald‘s dad is the Freddy bully there wouldn’t be any reason to do that if the game wasn’t Cannon 3. The game was the 10th anniversary game. 4. The marketing and description said it will reveal secrets in the Fnaf story and if it wasn’t Canon, then it wouldn’t be doing that. 5. The place where Oswald’s dad works snack space appears in security breach 6. It is getting another book and return to the pit is a sequel to the week before and VIP, which are confirmed to be canon
I address all these bar 2 and 5: The Freddy mask thing is interesting, but I actually think it could be a reference to the Fazbear Fright's story You're The Band, where a haunted Freddy mask is a central part of the story. Considering the litany of other Frights references I could see this being one of them. I don't hate the idea of Oz's dad being the Freddy Bully, but I don't see much reason for it. There's little to no other references to him being related to such an event, but I could see either being the case.
@@UnwitheredTruth I disagree 1. You’re the band is a scrap story so I don’t think there will be any real reference to it 2. That wasn’t a Freddy mask that was quite literally Freddy’s head. The spirit inside Freddy possessed to me because he was literally wearing his possessed animatronic head. 3. The Freddy bully theory has a lot of weight because of the games connections to Fnaf 4 . Oswald has all the Fnaf 4 toys . Pit trap see him as his son and the character Oswald is associated/potentially possess is foxy referencing Michael wearing the foxy mask . There are a bunch of references to the bite of 83 even the announcer from the past says “ please do not put anybody’s heads in the animatronics “again””
13:14 I'm glad I'm not the only who noticed that the party room is sealed off in Jeff's pizza meaning that yes the ballpit showing that the MCI died in the party room is accurate.
Seeing as there was a lab like room, it could be Afton moved there after he killed the OG5 to experiment. Which leads to the creature killing the six. Or... the agony shows what the children wanted: to be seen. Instead of being silently killed off, or maybe it being someone else who dies and themselves being saved. But, that is if you allow agony to have a play.
Main continuity has TOYSHK(The one you shouldn't have killed) as the 7th Victim of William Afton and as someone important to the 6 other victims: Charlotte Emily, the MCI (4 victims) and Cassidy. Fnaf 4, fnaf world, Midnight Motorist and UCN tie together the story of this enigmatic male spirit. All that's known truly is that William Afton hurt him so badly, his spirit cannot be rested by normal means, unlike the 6 souls rested by the FFPS fire in the lore keeper ending. His failure to be rested IS UCN. UCN is an agony fueled memory nightmare that he trapped the soul of William Afton in so that he would know what it's like to NEVER be able to rest. OMC alludes to this by Begging TOYSHK to rest as Afton is suffering as he wished: "Leave the demon to his demons and rest your own soul, there is nothing else." TOYSHK as the hidden character Fredbear, ignores this and dives back into the red lake which now serves as a portal between fnaf world and UCN(you can get the OMC achievement/menu trophy in fnaf world if you play through his UCN interaction. Which proves the 2 are connected.) This means whatever Afton did to him in his final moments broke the boy's spirit as he now lives for the suffering he can cause William Afton eternally, a tit for tat reaction to his own senseless murder, of which ONLY he remembers.😅
In MM, Afton refers to a boy in two phrases; "Open the door! He can't do this to me, this is my house!" And "Ran off to that place again, he will be sorry when he gets back." Important note: ONLY William Afton ever refers to this boy as a runaway. The person in the chair refers to them as an individual who's had a rough day. The important thing is this whole section of MM is called "Later that Night" in the code, implying that the relevant daytime section is elsewhere as it's heavily implied that this night time section is Afton absconding home after killing Charlotte Emily. The Toy Chica intermission from UCN has this statement:"I'll invite him over to my house. If he doesn't come, then I'll go to his house. If he doesn't open the door, I'll find a window. Chimney is always an option." After which Toy Chica's backpack gets another animatronic part(murder indicator). This marks the path William Afton takes around the house in the later that night section of midnight motorist. Fnaf 4's night six ending cutscene may be the missing daytime section as all of Fnaf 4's mini games take place at day time and involve the Afton household in some way. Doesn't it seem strange that Dave died some time after the bite of '83 because his imaginary friend started talking to him? He dies crying because of the imaginary friend talking to him as the Fredbear plush. In Fnaf world, the same imaginary friend appears in the clock ending as both a guide(Glitch bear) and in the ending itself, which is a reference to Fnaf 4 night 6. The bedroom with the locked door in MM is even in the same region of the Afton house as Dave's one in Fnaf 4, the far back. The SL private room indicated that the imaginary friend was Afton speaking through a walkie talkie inserted in his son's plush toy. The same plush toy who's disappearance in Fnaf 4 night 6's ending directly leads to Dave's death. Implying Afton was always nearby, for better or worse.
Fnaf 3's happiest day mini game goes hand in hand with the lore keeper graves from FFPS. The graves match the position of the 6 spirits in the mini game; Charlotte Emily in the back organising the party, the MCI at the left of the table and Cassidy as Golden Freddy on the right of the table. There's someone important missing. The survival logbook has a male spirit of a scared little boy being told by another spirit that: "the party was for you." This IS the absentee. Fnaf world's Black Tomb yard even has a block of six graves, with a seventh one isolated far away from them. That would be a reference to the total number of victims of William Afton. 1 forgotten about and 6 remembered and put to rest. TOYSHK is the forgotten 7th victim of William Afton and William Afton's own son.
"Sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you'll just...drive yourself crazy."
I think that this game takes place in the movie’s continuity. I will stubbornly support my joke of a position and die on this tiny, tiny hill. How do we know? Because there isn’t any evidence directly against it. Wait a minute, I haven’t played into the pit but some of the evidence in this video actually supports this. The plane and BB figurine obviously, but also the 6 victims with the 5 possessing the main 4 animatronics and Golden Freddy then Garrett. We don’t see the MCI in the movie (unless I’m forgetting about it) so it very well could have been how it was shown in the game. The office is also similar with the monitors lined up on the wall, the lockers and the singular door on the left hand side of the room when looking at the monitors. That would be kind of funny. Of course the layout is still different, and there really is no good reason for this to be the case. But it’s a fun stupid theory. Edit: Shit! This can’t be true because of Jeff’s pizza. That sucks.
Completely agree with everything in the video! Gave my thoughts in a perfect way. Loved the video Do believe in stitchline and talesgames? I am currently Frights/TalesFiction, the recent Edwin thing just seems like a reference, since FLAF is a in universe game, not only is it weird for Murray to be there at all among some other things.
Uh no 1. Tails games got confirmed with the recent Fnaf vr2 teaser for the DLC on Tuesday because Tiger rock is there 2. In universe game doesn’t excuse that. The spring Bonnie antenna= Afton MM Then Edwin existing = tales games
it was recently confirmed that TalesGames is canon from the HW2 DLC Teaser where you see the Tiger Rock Plush, and in FLAP there is Edwin's billboard, now, in Tales there is a Story called "FRAILTY" where the protagonist has literally Elanor's pendant, and since the Tales are like Season 2 of the Frights, the Fazbear Frights are canon too.
love the video--but next time maybe ditch/decrease the opacity on the scanlines that pop in and out of the video they can strain some people's eyes (including mine) again, other than that, keep making videos. been loving your content
Not sure what the fandom name for this theory is... but I always kinda leaned that the game is in universe media financed by the company to deflect suspicion.
That's called FrightsFiction - I'll most likely make a video on it someday, though with some recent reveals it's seeming less likely to be true (though it definitely could be for the novel trilogy or this game in particular).
FLaF is an in-universe game tho, but I do think Edwin exists in the games. Maybe his story is different from the one in the books. I mean, Henry kills himself in the novels but in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim
@KirbyFan-h9y I believe Edwin is in the games, but his story doesn't have to be the same as the one in the book. Look at Henry, in the novels he kills himself, but in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim.
@@LadyLuckyLuthat’s what talesgames believers aren’t understanding, the name afton started in the books and was used in the games later but william has a completely different story in the games from the books talesgames fans are insisting that the books are 100% in the games timeline but refuse to remember how fnafs story has been told so far.
it may be that the location shows the MCI events in Jeff's location because Oswald doesn't know any other and his brain shows him what sounds the most logical as for Garret's plane it may be a toy of one of William's victims
There’s no doubt in my mind Into The Pit isn’t cannon to the game series, at least from what I’ve seen. The biggest reason is the “MCI” depiction. It’s just not it. The MCI that happened in this game happened in front of SEVERAL pairs of eyes, children or not. They didn’t go missing, they were likely confirmed murdered from the get-go. On top of that, different children were kidnapped throughout the week meaning there’s a lot more than six. Reason 2: we see Afton’s little hideout but it’s clear the springtrap in the game that speingtrap isn’t being piloted by afton in the suit, it’s a robot with an endo skeleton. But that makes no sense, speingtrap was one of, if not the first Animatronics made. It wouldn’t be autonomous. Reason 3: Why are the FNAF 1 animatronics trying to kill Oswald? IF that was the MCI incident and they’re possessed, why kill Oswald? He’s a kid, not an adult. Or maybe Afton already made his Animatronics murderous before the game and activated their aggressive mode… which doesn’t make any sense. The only possible way it could be cannon is if all the stuff in the past was just Oswald dreaming it all up, which like he said at one point, would be super unsatisfying and nothing could be believed. Some things could be explain if you use assumptions and stretches: The building thing could be explained that the animatronics were later relocated to the fnaf 1 building and the bodies were stuffed beforehand. And The kidnapped children were have to save could always be the spirits of the murdered children. But neither of those are satisfying and make zero sense. This was lots of words to agree with him. This game is 100% NOT cannon
Foxy GoGoGo is a weird one, cause Foxy has no stage that leads directly into any particular party room. I feel like it was more interpretive (like all the minigames in FNAF 2). The evidence for them being in a safe room is more compelling, as in FNAF 3, Phone Guy (seemingly in the leadup to the MCI) says that customers should never be brought into the safe room, and then William leads them there in Follow Me, which Henry calls out as being "back to a familiar place".
@@UnwitheredTruth the safe room thing is kind of inconsistent because also in VR1 glitch trap kills the Freddy kid in the backstage So it’s never really consistent if he kills all of them in the safe room When Henry says familiar place, he could just be referring to where William Fully stuffed the kids in the suits
Firstly I just want to say that you are very smart and I respect you a lot. Like you take time to explain definitions of parallels and cannon and how they are cannon (btw tf did novel Doug do???) when most other theorists I've seen usually only explain it after they've brought it up which causes admittedly minor confusion sometimes. And I can easily tell how much thought and care you put into your videos and that's something that I hope I can imitate(? No good word to out here) when I eventually create my own videos. Mainly because of my own goal to create a better community where discussion is easier. And I very much respect you for that even if I don't always agree. For example: as you pointed out calling every William by "William" doesn't really work when they're 4 characters who go by that name. So I seperate them as the following names for easier discussion. Novel Cont: Dave. Movie Cont: Steve. Frights Cont: Fright-Liam. Games/Og Cont: William. Makes discussion easier as each name connects to their respective continuity. And uhm actually I'll be making a second comment for my actual thoughts because uhm this is getting long. Sorry for singing your praises too much. But I genuinely admire your drive to not spread misinformation and only use honest information and maje that clear. And yeah that's it I don't know how to end this comment lol.
That's a really kind comment I'm lost for words! I highly encourage you to make your own videos, fresh voices are always needed in this community and even though it's hard work, it's very rewarding to hear what people have to say about something you've made (like you've done here). Best of luck and thanks so much for the lovely comment!
For such a young channel your editing and analysis of the lore are really good. Also, a quick question, was the intro sequence animated by you? It was pretty cool.
@@Wizardjones69 Once again, FLaF is an in-universe game. And AftonMM never made sense. Pizzeria Sim is about tying up loose ends, MM being about William creates more loose ends.
This is pretty long but i believe i have found a way for Into the Pit to be canon to the games. Ok so if Stitchline is confirmed by Into the Pit then the relevant Frights stories need to be explained and i think i got it. *Into the Pit* has no evidence for being after FNAF 6 nor does some of the other Frights stories. Sure it's implied but the stories that are basically the origin of Stritchwraith itself ( *Fetch* and *The Real Jake* for example) have no concrete set date to happen. Theres nothing stopping some of the stories to take place long before Stitchwraith. Ones like Out of Stock, *1:35 A.M.* and *Step closer* obviously all happen after Stitchwraith as we know they collected the pieces of the animatronics and stuff. But the stuff like Eleanor creating the Plushtrap chaser (which we know that it existed for a while since people repeatedly kept sending it back to the store) and terrorising people in *1:35 am* , *Step Closer* , *Blackbird* and *Hide-and-Seek* don't need to be around the same time as Stitchwraith. I'm just saying there can be time jumps in between stories. Like: *Room for one more* obviously takes place before Sister Location which has SnackSpace from *Into the Pit* mentioned in it *Prankster* has Glitchtrap in it so its after Help Wanted was in development. *What We Found* is basically a retelling of FNAF 3 *Room 1280* says William has been there for a long while after FNAF 6, all these are years apart from eachother so stories can happen at any point in the canon. So *Into the Pit* ,*Fetch* , *The Real Jake* and all the stories where Eleanor was involved with creating things like *To Be Beautiful* can happen years before FNAF 6. Eleanor and the Stitchwraith can do there own thing for a long while from when they are created And then the stories like *Room 1280* and everything we know the Stitchwraith is connected with can happen after FNAF 6. If Into the Pit is indeed canon to the games then it can make sense when you consider there is a gap in time between the stories. This explains how and why we see *Fetch* , *To Be Beautiful* and *Count the Ways* can be in the game, because they happen before Oswald goes in the pit. *Here's addressing some possible contradictions:* The Easter eggs are not canon as the developers said and the Stitchwraith can appear in Oswald's window because they do exist at that time. I know you guys will say no because Andrew went into Fetch after William exploded in the factory but his spirit was split across many things when that happened and nothing really says Andrew was in Fetch during *Fetch* and could easily of latched to Fetch as it would of had agony from being beaten up like what happened to the Mimic. Fetch can just be a faulty product, it may be a lame answer but not everything can be great (Fazgoo and Springtrap pregnancy anyone). Eleanor is still a mystery but if she is indeed and agony creature created after either Elizabeth’s death, the agony collected from the kids William experiments with in his bunker (my personal belief) or just is Shadow Freddy like people have theorised before, nothing is stopping her from existing for a long time until we see her in the Stitchwraith stingers. What do you all think?
In my opinion I think Into the Pit isn’t supposed to be taken too seriously I guess… I feel like the entire thing is meant to be a metaphor for the mci. With the book, at least, I feel this 100%. I feel like The making of the book into a game isn’t supposed to alter the meaning of the book… just make it so that it’s playable and fun for fans, and for Scott to take his creative liberties I guess. This isn’t meant as a criticism to you btw I really like what you’re saying
Unwithered truth, you are a great RUclipsr in a great theory one of my personal favorites, but I do disagree with this video. Gonna count some of the points but gonna be respectful because I don’t like toxicity and I understand where you’re coming from. 1. The into the pit location in the Fnaf 1 location are the same. Into the pit just shows us that the location is much bigger than we thought. We can confirm that the Fnaf 1 location is where the MCI happens Fnaf 2 phone calls, and the dreams because of retrofit theory basically confirm that that’s true “You may have noticed there are no doors for you to close, heh. But hey, you have a light! And even though your flashlight can run out of power, the building cannot. So, don't worry about the place going dark” The week before shows that the location is much bigger than we thought it was there’s even a room we don’t see because it has a broken camera. There’s also a ID card just like into the pit 2. Yes Jeff does restore the building back to its 1985 glory in my opinion I believe the reason why FE redesign the building in the first place was because they didn’t want people to know the fact that they were basically reusing the 1985 location so they made it look different When the location eventually shut down, Jeff bought it and unsealed most of the rooms While this is kind of dumb I do think it is possible I mean right now it’s been confirmed That apparently in 1985 it was the classics then the withered then back to the classics 3. Into the pit is not the first time a 6 kid is introduced to the MCI the first time is ultimate custom night with the toy chica high school years she killed 7 people in the anime cutscenes She already has a foxy hook and she kills 6 more Later, in curse of dread bear there are 8 grade surrounding Williams purple one. I do believe Andrew is the vengeful spirit, but that’s a whole Nother topics 4. Garrett’s plane is just meant to confirm that Garrett is a version of the crying child and also likely confirmed that the crying child is also named Garrett (I don’t believe his name is Dave sorry) Garrett’s plane being there was originally a part of cut Afton family Easter egg where objects representing Mike Vanessa and Elizabeth we’re going to be there 5. Novel in universe is actually possible since we seen almost all the novel characters make it into the games Ella and twisted wolf. However, there is sometimes where stuff is just an Easter egg. Like the joy of creation is reference in security breach, but it’s obviously not in the main company. 6. The room where pittrap hide Oswald’s dad is the safe room 1. The safe room is a room without a camera and this room doesn’t have a camera. 2. Freddy cannot access the room because an animatronics cannot enter the safely. 3. It’s a room only Pittrap knows about. 4. The safe room is connected to that party room Osswald goes through the party room vent to get to that killer room. This makes it so that pittrap killed the kids in the safe room, but put their bodies in the party room. Too scared of the adults and show Oswald the mci 7. into the pit is a distorted version of the 1985 incident. We can confirm this with 2 things 1. Afton was not a agony demon when he killed the kids 2. The location thinks the Gabriella sketchbook was open after the MCI all the way up to August. This shows that what happened in the ball pit world didn’t happen in the real world. Also, the reason the location is still open after the MCI is because missing reports aren’t filed until 90 days so it’s likely open until September 3. William Spring lock audio can be heard in a phone call and Pittrap even references the event happening “ I’ll make you suffer just like I did” 8. The puppets absence can be explained 1. The puppet was just added after the MCI since the location doesn’t seem to close till September. 2. The puppet is specifically erased from the distorted memory to show that puppet stuff isn’t true. William didn’t infect stuff the kids. 9. The point of into the pit is to kill of MCI 1983 and confirm that the MCI happened in 1985 10. Foxy is an out of order and into the pit. He’s just gone for a while. This can be explained through 3 ideas 1. He’s getting replaced by Funtime foxy 2. It’s setting up the VR 1 repair mini games. Classic OG’s have been confirmed so the VR parts and service as many games are after the MCI fox’s mini game even ends with it being Stated that pirate Cove will be reopen 3. Foxy is removed from the ball pit memory because the pittrap wants to use him for Oswald to possess 11. The reason why there was so much Vanessa/Vanny stuff is because the Developers were big fans of the character and wanted to explore her they even wanted to make a game about her. The stuff was like likely cut for a couple reasons. 1. Vanny has nothing to do with the plot of into the pit 2. They were assuming a lot of things. If we look at the files, this show shows that the team believed. Glitch Afton, princess Vanessa Vanessa Afton, and we can confirm that 2 of those are likely not true Glitch afton and princess Vanessa (unfortunately) 3. The mini games also don’t make sense with the time. Period. Because Vanessa is messing around with the classic animatronics and even if she is an Afton, she would have to be born in 1997 and follow me would have to be like in 2015 Overall, this is a great video, but I do completely disagree. I do think this game is Canon to the game timeline. I think fright reboot holds a lot of value now that we know Scott didn’t tell all the story about security breach. Scott is trying to use the mega cat games to fix the timeline. I agree with that.
number 2. is crazy youre telling me jeff knew exactly where everything was in 85' and purposefully let arcade machines and fazbear memorabilia rot after reinstalling it in their EXACT location after 30+ years 🙃
@@CECSWF it is also possible that Jeff did redesign the building and the the ball pit location changes the stories contents to fit with the new building
You mean to tell me that Jeff, the man who in game clearly doesn't give one about renovation... renovated the place to make it look like a run down freddys?
12:18 oz does not know who the Fnaf characters are. If he has a poster, then he’s a fan of the book, which contains Fnaf characters. It’s an ee cus it contradicts the games story outright.
All I can determine from these different timelines and theories and interpretations... Clearly the MCI is the only canon event. If a time traveling Charlie tried to prevent the murders, a time traveling Freddy2977 from the year 2977 would come back and stop her. Or an older version of Charlie trying to stop the events of CharliePoint
10:03 It is? I thought the Fnaf 2 pizzeria is heavily implied to be and they are diffrent locations. Ahhh, these games are such a pain. 11:28 Isn't the chronology of Fnaf 3 already a mess without Jeff? You see, William Re-opened the Fnaf 1 room(Which idk why it exists) again to use it as his base for destroying the animatronics as per the Fnaf 3 flashbacks(Which may or may not explain why Spring Bonnie is there). So far so good, right? Well, except for the fact that Fnaf 3 has Phone dude tell the unnamed protagonist that they opened the room after discovering it on old floor plans. Who in the world sealed it again in the abandoned location after William got springlocked and obviously did not seal it from the inside? The only way to sidestep this issue is to say that the rooms were incidentially decommissioned after the springlock(Which imo Fnaf 3 tries to imply through Phone Guy's instruction tapes) but that seems illogical, especially because the pizzeria was already closed for good.
I think Into the Pit is not the full story of what happens, and all the Stitchline stories haven’t been told fully truthfully, and the sequel book will make us question how the story really went down. I think the Fazbear Frights stories aren’t fully truthful and stories range from base on false rumours, base on real event but changed a lot, or true events being altered to get us the audience to think these stories are fake. The question then lead to who’s would tell a false version of real events to stop people from uncovering any truths, it’s in the name Fazbear Frights, Fazbear is know for cover story. But I think there is a Games Canon version of the Stitchline stories, they just even to this point with the game adaptation of Into the Pit never been “fully” truthful but the games version is closer then the book version. (Asking me why we’ll I think if we remove the gameplay aspect and stuff like the alternate endings you get the closes to the real story, that in a way PitTrap is like William but base on the memories of him, that Oswald did spend some time trying to save his dad and the trapped souls, the mistakes all lay on the details related to the murders and this is still not a 100% accurate version of the event and maybe that the point, the souls only knew very little detail about the murders and how it played it, like how one of them wasn’t apart of that killing spree yet they all believed he was there, gets yay thinking)
TLDR: yay I think some version of Stitchline is in the game but the Frights version of it is alter to make it all seem fictional and the stories that doesn’t fit Stitchline is the biggest way of fictionalizing the story. And the games versions will be near accurate versions.
Dawko christmas stream just ended and Talesgames is kinda confirmed, which I kinda expected after watching Scott's most recent interview with Dawko. Help Wanted 2 is getting an update, and the Tiger Rock plushie is there which is proof for it. But I still take the books as a parallel universe, Spiderman is a great example. The same events happen in both continuities, just not exactly the same or with the same characters. Does Edwin exist in the games? Sure, why not. Is his story EXACTLY like the one in the book? It doesn't have to be. Look at Henry. He comes from the novel, but in said novel he kills himself with a robot; and in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim. William in the novels steals Baby from Henry, but Sister Location seems to imply William created Baby. FrightsGames is still debatable tough, we don't know if the stuff that happens in those are 1 to 1 to the games.
@turkeyman9914 I get that, but some stuff in Frights don't line up with the games. Don't get me wrong, I believe Frights happens but just not 1 to 1. We'll have to wait until Return to The Pit releases.
@@MahNamJeff It really doesn’t. In animatronic apocalypse, eleanor returns, as well as in frality, and there are many more connections between the two book series. Also, VIP connects the two series even more.
if we're using the word "canon" in the traditional sense, meaning pertaining to Scott's vision, obviously not. scott didn't make any of into the pit, and the book itself is already one layer of separation so the game is two layers of separation. only the clickteam games are truly canon.
We know pretty certainly that the Fnaf 1 pizzeria is a different one from the MCI. The Fnaf 2 end screen that they would reopen in a new downsized location.
![[SFM] Risky Recital](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RzNkY1_Nk3o/mqdefault.jpg)
Gonna pin this here to foretell a few reactions!
This video was written, edited, and completed before the Dawko stream with the Edwin reference in FLAF. While I have some thoughts on that - I don't think it's 110% confirmed that Talesgames is true (though it's looking likely).
That being said, as I mentioned in the video - this game is undeniably in a separate continuity to the original Frights books, as this overwrites the original. Any connections between Tales and Frights rn is more likely to confirm StitchlineGames than FrightsRebootGames.
Regardless, this video is purely my opinion and I invite you all to speculate and discuss in the comments! As always, I will try to respond to as many comments as I can.
Happy theorising :)
Edwin showed on a book series taking place on the world from the newer games which appeared again on flaf
Meaning tales games as undeniable
Let's say The Mimic was created in 1979 while Edwin was 23 years old (I think that was his age), and by the time The Storyteller happens he is 70 years old, then that story needs to happen in 2026. (And if Security Breach happens in 2026 or 2027, I don't see possible that bears are extinct by that point) So what I think, The Mimic and The Storyteller will be remixed. (Only those 2 stories)
@HappyFrogRender6502 edwin is 28-29 by the mimic
@@HappyFrogRender6502 mimic was not created in 1979 he was created in 1978
@@Browhatisyoudoingwhy can't the 1979 from the trailer be a confirmation of the og story timeline placement and the game take place on 1980 (since it has freddy's coming soon)
I think people tend to forget that one candy cadet story: Some stories are just stories. They are important because they explain details and make the characters have develpment and such but they very easily could be just parcially canon, or just a way to clarify certain details.
I think that was a Mr. Hippo quote actually, but I agree
@ true it might be 😭 sorry there’s just so many of them
Hope my point still stands tho 😅
Fnaf story is like a folklore. some details are missing, at the same time some details added to make the story more sense. But there's always main points, the storyline that make the folklore
Interesting comparison
I like that comparison. I think the Legend of Zelda series has that as an actual developer philosophy
That’s actually a really good way to look at it!
I absolutely love how your talk sprite is just Freddy. It's like he's telling me his story that even he doesn't exactly remember
Same haha
ur like the only person i would ever watch a video on the topic of canon from, because youre so good at cutting through the noise rather than making it even noisier
This is one of the most perfect descriptions of why I enjoy these videos so much ever
I agree. I think this is at least close to the canon lore, people normally just overcomplicate/overthink things, but Unwithered Truth looks at it from a logical standpoint.
Honestly, his Sister Location video is one of the very few FNAF theory videos I absolutely agree with because of his methodology. In particular, the Springlock suit in Sister Location is the very one mentioned in FNAF 3 coming from a sister location because......why wouldn't it be?
Very simple through line.
frfr i love this dude for that
exactly, my favorite fnaf youtubers are the ones who view everything objectively
I still cant shake the feeling that the family in the movie verse is reversed, with movie Henry's family having the same number as game afton's kids, and movie afton having one daughter
In the Novels, William only has Elizabeth, and nothing seems to imply he has more than one child. And Henry has two kids, Charlotte and Sammy. So maybe the movie is taking inspiration from the original story Scott intended, with the first 4 games.
In the movie, Mike has two siblings. Which we can see in Fnaf 4.
In case you're wondering where's the sister in Fnaf 4: The sister is the one playing with the toys outside, she says "Look at my collection" (or something like that) she has Chica, Bonnie and Freddy, right? If it's a collection, where's foxy? It's in her room! Mangle is part of her toy collection.
The story Scott intended was about three families: The Emilies, the Aftons, and the Schmidts. Then Sister Location happened and Scott retconned Mike (along with his siblings) into an Afton.
The movie it's about the og story, with some differences of course.
@@itsjust_zak217 Mr. Schmidt isn’t confirmed to be Henry
Love seeing Toy Freddy as a hypothetical FNAF fan, FNAF theorist, and/or even a viewer of the video rebuttling about things with their different beliefs and interpretations
I love you so much for defining your terms. Stuff gets weird in FNaF discussions because of things like this. And I appreciate it so so SO much.
22:49 The problem with multiple continuities in a mystery series THAT IS STILL ONGOING is that it leads to unnessesary confusion and it's hard to tell what even matters anymore. It's hard to get invested in a spin off that doesn't matter to the first mystery when all of your time and energy has been put toward first one.
Thanks! Someone had to say this! I've been thinking the exact same about the ITP game lately, and it's nice to see more people share my opinion.
Same
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW COOL THE INTRO WAS
I know right, the quality is top tier.
reduce the first 7 letters of your name to 6 letters, and chnge it to a-n-d-r-e-w
and then you have a nice username
New FnaF lore dropped: apparently Cassidy has good taste in media 😂
the mosquito noise SUCKED
man the presentation of this channel is so fucking _beyond_ of what most FNAF channels have
Thank you!! I put a lot of time and effort into these videos so comments like this mean a lot
I like the idea of FNaF having multiple different timelines, it’s just refreshing. Scott seems to support that idea too
Me too. He did confirm that the Silver Eyes books are in an alternate timeline, same with the movie. This means that fangames the community makes could exist in a different timeline/universe.
@@Trontotario This comment aged so poorly lmao
Tales, after having a story of the indie game dev from Help Wanted, Patient 46 from SB, and one of the observatory rooms and giving us the origin of tje new main antagonist, gets confirmed to be in the same timeline because of David’s Tiger plushie in Help Wanted 2’s upcoming update
Ok tbf not really poorly because the Trilogy is absolutely a different timeline and the movie is that or an entirely different universe (and ofc so is fnaf world and the troll games) but still
It's bad writing. It makes a messy story even worse
I love that I got this channel recommended to me.
Like, finding small channels with a crazy good production value when compared to the size of the channel feels so good!
Once again a banger video. You are truly one of the best upcoming FNaF RUclipsrs I've seen in a while! Keep up the good work!!
Ya know, I’ve always figured that the “multiverse” theory would work well in the FNAF universe with all the different stories, and it would seem the fact that it’s confirmed that they’re making a FNAF movie franchise makes *this* confirmed too. 😅
Great video! I’ve been pretty out of touch with the franchise for about 7 years, but your videos have made getting back into things much more approachable. It’s like people see any detail and try their hardest to make it fit in instead of looking at what’s being presented in the big picture.
I really appreciate how you are able to understand how behind the scenes stuff with Scott and community errors affect games/other media. Like u said, people aren’t perfect, so theories mess up and Scott makes mistakes, and that’s important to know.
Unfortunately, the further the series progresses, the more we have to start factoring stuff like this in. In the past, we only had to worry about Scott, as a singular creator of every aspect, but now, with so many dev teams and artists and authors, the margin for error has greatly increased. I kind of want to make a short discussion video on the subject but not sure if it'd be something people would respond to
You’re the only channel I’ll ever watch a fnaf theory from besides game theory. I’m not sure why, there’s something so captivating about the videos and the way you present the evidence. The production value is really amazing and I love your approach to the story.
Came for the unreasonably amazing video editing stayed for the discussion/theory
Personally, like you said at the very end, I subscribe to the idea that this game is a game within a game. It's something I thought about the moment I saw the menu screen and the credits. First of all, this isn't the first time that Fazbear Entertainment would have done something like this (cough, cough - help wanted - cough, cough). Or is it? More on that later.
We view this story through a TV screen. This is shown in the main menu, credits sequence and even in between each loading screen. It's a detail they didn't have to add, but they did. Almost as if this is actually an in-universe cartriage game that we ourselves are playing. Furthermore, the story this game depicts is very much something Fazbear Entertainment would commission to 'make light' of the original tragedy. They notably get details wrong in this story such as the fact that, while there were 6 victims of Afton (and perhaps more), there were only 5 murdered on that particular day (or so we think). Or perhaps the premise of the game where you dive into a time-travelling ball pit that shows you 'what happened' even though this is far from the truth of what ACTUALLY happened is enough to tell you about the shadyness of this story, as if they're trying to muddy the waters and make the rumours that already exist even more vague and unconfirmed as to what happened. Even the idea that the killer in this game is not a man wearing a rabbit costume, but instead its own MONSTER. It's not some guy, it's its own breathing thing, which in-turn kind of dehumanises the event and paints it more like it's a scary story/rumour or even an urban legend.
Furthermore, I think this game is actually one of the games that Fazbear Entertainment mentions in Help Wanted that was created by a 'rouge indie-game developer'. The one they actually hired to make a bunch of games to make light of what happened. And I believe the Freddy bully in FNaF 4 is actually this indie-game developer. My primary reasons for thinking this are the details concerning the Freddy mask we can find in Ozwald's attic and the storage room in the past version of Jeff's Pizza. Starting with the Freddy mask, on rare occaisions, when you enter the attic, a Freddy mask would fall down and is one of the only items you can trade with Jet as being 'vintage'. Outside of that, it has no other use. It just feels like such a weird detail and kind of implies that Ozwald's father was there during the 1983 Bite which we don't even know if that event occured in that ITP game continuity. This last detail is admittedly a stretch, but something I wanna point out anyway. In the beginning of the game, we are forced to go into the storage room to hide from Chip and Mike which acts as our game's tutorial for hiding. I find it particularly interesting that we are instantly brought to a place that references Fredbear's so heavily. We literally slip into a Golden Freddy suit, which is an alternative version of Fredbear, and we see Fredbear posters along the walls. To me, this implies that whoever created this game has at least seen these Fredbear posters and knows them enough that they very closely resemble the ones we can find in Security Breach. It's also in this room where we first get a good, close-up look of the monster, as if implying that it's the start of something bigger. It's also intriguing to me that the game makes an effort to point out an exact date here, that being June of 1985. And, in every other game, anything related to Golden Freddy or Fredbear's is always shrouded in so much mystery, but in this game it's one of the first things that the game makes you pay attention to. Almost as if this game was created by someone who wants to really draw attention to these details and might have been involved with Freddy's for longer than one would think.
But, looking through this theory's lens, it kind of makes Ozwald's father out to be a self-insert of sorts. An older, middle-aged man who has a history with Fazbear Entertainment that he is detailed in the game as not really wanting to talk about his past with the restaurant.
Am I saying that this game is saying that the FNaF 4 Freddy bully was kidnapped by a monstrous William Afton in a yellow rabbit suit into a ballpit that takes you back in time? No, of course I'm not. But I do think this is the Freddy bully's attempt to perhaps tell a little about what actually happened without breaking the lengthy contract that he no-doubt signed with Fazbear Entertainment. And, before you say that the timeline of the Freddy bully being the guy that creates these indie-games doesn't add up, it actually CAN add up. If we assume that the Freddy bully is middle-aged, maybe around 45, by the time he starts making these games and that he was around maybe 14 during 1983, that would mean that he started creating these games at around 2014 which coincidentally fits with when FNaF 1 was first released. Even if you smoosh the numbers around a bit, his age still lines up for him to be working and maybe have a family of his own by this point as well as these games being released early BEFORE Help Wanted, but not TOO early so that what happened at Freddy's is now little more than an unsolved mystery, like in Fazbear's Fright.
This also kind of implies that we are slowly learning more and more about these FNaF 4 bullies and how the Big Bite event impacted them. We know what happened to Michael Afton, FNaF 4's Bonnie bully is the father of Cassie and went on to be a Fazbear Technician in the Mega Pizzaplex and this theory suggests that the Freddy bully went on to create a bunch of indie-games by commission of Fazbear Entertainment to further muddy the waters of what happened that day, but perhaps these games were a little closer to the truth than Fazbear Entertainment would like...
That means we still have to learn about the story of what became of the Chica bully in FNaF 4. This is a new story about new characters, but characters that tie back to the very origins of the tragedy at Freddy's.
OR there's the alternate and more simpler route that this is literally just a video game based on Five Nights at Freddy's that we are simply supposed to enjoy as a game. It doesn't need to be a part of ANY continuity and can just be a fun game for FNaF fans to enjoy. My theory is shared by many others and literally only exists if you are hellbent on trying to put this game somewhere within the game's continuity XD
Excellently put! It's either an in-universe game or straight up a parallel universe. I like the idea that's a parallel universe, so Scott can make more of these games without having them affect the main timeline too much.
I also like the theory that the Freddy bully made this game. Great comment!
11:40 There actually is a 4th option and personally I think it's most likely.
Phone Guy from FNAF 2 directly tells us that FNAF 2 isn't the same location as the MCI.
"Uh, now, I want you to forget anything you may have heard about the old location. You know, uh, some people still have a somewhat negative impression of the company. Uh, that old restaurant was kind of left to rot for quite a while, but, I want to reassure you, Fazbear Entertainment is committed to family fun and above all, safety."
The Week Before tells us that FNAF 1 is the FNAF 2 building just with renovation.
1. We know from FNAF 2 that they will reopen with a smaller budget and that Ralph will work Night Shift.
2. "You have the layout memorized, even after recent renovations"
3. "It's also company policy to have a security guard posted in each room while the animatronic is present ... But that was before the restaurant closed. Since it reopen the rooms haven't been needed"
4. "Some branches lead to dead ends for no discernable reason while others let out to dusty rooms you don't even recognize. It seems like whole sections of the building have been closed off over the years, or perhaps they were expansion that were abandoned before completion."
5. "'Where is your location?' 'Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza' you say. 'Freddy's I thought that placed closed up. After that horri---' She draws in a shakey breath. 'I didn't take those calls, thankfully, but I heard the recordings and, well it wasn't pretty.'"
All of these lines suggest that parts of FNAF 2 were boarded up in order to lower the maintenance of the building. It would also explain the 2 boarded up rooms in Follow Me. We know there is only 1 Saferoom, meaning thoses were boarded up for a different reason which this book finally explains. Not to mention the police phone call referring to the Bite of '87 suggesting it's the same location.
Fnaf 1 not a renovative version of Fnaf 2
It’s a renovation of the 1985 location, which is also the fnaf 1 location
1. There’s the safe room which is abandoned after the multiple spring lock failures.
2 phone guy in 2 says You may have noticed there are no doors for you to close, heh. But hey, you have a light! And even though your flashlight can run out of power, the building cannot. So, don't worry about the place going dark.
@@Browhatisyoudoing Ummm... no...
1. FNAF 2 is confirmed to have a safe room from the Night 6 phone calls.
2. The safe rooms weren't closed because of the MCI. FNAF 3 Night 6 phone call. They are stated to be sealed due to budget cuts at most not all locations.
3. At the end of FNAF 2, we learn the location is opening on a smaller budget, which explains the power difference. Also, guards complaining about the animatronics explains the doors.
yes, they rebuilt an exact replica of the mci location in the fnaf 2 location even though the ending of fnaf 2 said that they'd reopen with a smaller budget!
remodeling an entire building's interior costs money.
great theory gambit sir!
@@CECSWF were did this comment said that?. And were do you get that theres an exact réplica????
@@jeremymorris345
1. Uh no it doesn’t. They just brought golden Freddy suit in the back room as well.
2. “ the simultaneous spring lock failures”
3. No the phone guy quote is what he says on night 1 he’s referring to the Fnaf 1 location
Thank you for making this video. I did not think this game was in the games continuity because it felt like you had to ignore 75% of it just to make it so. The games tell you that you're time traveling. In the description, the trailer, and just how the game functions but that doesn't make any sense if it's cannon so the community said it has to be agony screwing it up instead. That doesn't even make much sense when you take into account; The agony would just make it more accurate if scarier.
So thank you for finally allowing me to remove this headache of a game from my cannonicity murder board. As I was just succumbing to the will of the community. That being said I do think there's like one thing in this game that is actually important and even if Frights/talesfiction is true still makes this important: The photo and the Dad items.
The photo of Henry and William. Besides it being further proof of the games version of William and Henry and the games continuity being completely different from the novels and actuality giving us a cannon design for game William (fun fact the sprite of the photo on floor actually has color on it so the colored design is still cannon so yay!) I think it has a greater purpose. As I noticed something with the Dad items and the strange things you can find in TWB.
The Dad items are: A nametag, a photo, a vacation photo, a wallet, and his wedding ring. In Twb there are 2 strange items that inexplicably appear with no explanation: An old id hidden behind a poster, and the golden ring, implied to be a wedding ring, hidden inside a cupcake. Now granted we know the ring was placed by Cassidy as she imitated Browen Light (look up that theory if you haven't it's spectacular) to trick Ralph into stopping the animatronics. You could say this ring came from her but that's never implied, nor is she impied by married she's a junior reporter to so she's probably young anyways which while possible feels very unlikely to me for her to have been married.
But what if these items are meant to imply something like ShatterLiam instead of Shattervictim? The wedding ring could easily be William's as we know he had a wife. Same with the id card implied to be from a long time ago; perhaos it's William's from Fredbear's (or possibly Frdddy's but I doubt it.) This would also explain why Pitrap randomly stole your Dad's stuff and then threw it way. Especially why he abandons chasing Oswald to grab the photo before glitching out: He wants his pieces back.
Maybe this game is in-universe, like an arcade in the saferoom(?), where part of William's agony was attached. I don't know, maybe it's just a coincidence. Bjt it feels too similar to not be important to me. If more items, like William's wallet, appears in RTTP I'm calling it though. It's also another alternate to the shadows I have to think about.
But what do you think?
The idea of William's agony attaching to an arcade machine is really cool. But I don't know, we'll have to wait for RTTP to release.
For now I take this game as an in-universe game/parallel universe.
@@LadyLuckyLu
Same honestly it's super cool and ITP like is it's own thing.
But I do find the Dad Items and Twb items weirdly coincidental. Tbf there's no wallet or second photo but... Hmm.
This video was beautiful. It felt so much more than just a theory. Something about your writing or editing, it just works so well. It is a very hotly debated topic so I’m not fully convinced, unlike with your FNAF 1 1989 video, so I will wait for more media like Return to The Pit. Still, this really informed me, and overall just a spectacular theory.
Super in depth with the media, timelines to follow, definitions, categories, ect. As well as having such an awesome channel theme omg 😭😭🩵🩵 absolute GOLDDDDD tier video man !! MEGA props, your hard work will DEFINITELY go far
Wow thanks so much!!! I always wish more people dove into definitions because I know I can sometimes get lost when people start throwing out theory names and using language that isn't necessarily familiar to me - whether it's FNAF related or otherwise. Glad you enjoyed!
Another important point many people don't understand about canon is: You can have it both ways.
The games can be a separated story with no connection to the books from the games pov, but from the books pov the games can be part of the story.
I think biggest example is Final Fantasy 7 and 10, where in the story of FF10 some genius kid founds the company that plays a major part of the FF7 Story, but FF7 has no connection at all to FF10.
Yes this is a very good point.
I always think of an (admittedly pretty niche) example that comes from the CW Flash show. After the first 2 seasons, they released a follow up tie-in comic that acted as a sequel to season 2, but by the time season 3 started, there was no reference to the comic. Seasons 1&2 were canon to both the comic and the rest of the show, but that didn't make the comic canon to the show.
Your channel is just so high quality it’s nuts. You should be proud of your videos just on a technical level (editing, writing, clarity, etc.)
I agree, I still believe that * some* of the Frights stories are about stuff that did happen but not 1 to 1, they could be in-universe books. I believe that Tales are somewhat in continuity tho, since Security Breach was such a hot mess (and not what Scott intended) Scott is using them to clear up the confusion the game caused.
"But Five Laps at Freddy's this and that!" FLaF seems to be an in-universe game. The steam description says "Sponsored by Fazbear Entertainment." So we should take the whole game with a grain of salt.
Another thing to add to the gravestones in HP 2, they could have * easily* added a 7th gravestone, it was the perfect place to show it; the gravestone could have been out of reach, hidden, or obstructed, anything; implying that there's a secret 7th victim that is not resting. But they didn't.
I take the books as a parallel universe, Spiderman is a great example. The same events happen in both continuities, just not exactly the same or with the same characters. Does Edwin exist in the games? Sure, why not. Is his story EXACTLY like the one in the book? It doesn't have to be.
Look at Henry. In the novels he kills himself with a robot, but in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim. William in the novels steals Baby from Henry; but Sister Location seems to imply William created Baby.
Don't get me wrong, I lean towards Talegames, just not so much Frightsgames.
Great video and the quality is top notch like always, the intro was siiiickk!
To add to the point about how different the location is from what I’m pretty should be FNAF 1: while I’d say that one specifically is kept pretty consistent it it’s layout in general, TWB from what I could tell is about the exact same as the game, it has gone through a few changes like the parts added for the movie….. the one exception being the security office. That thing is so iconic even security offices in SB call back to it with about the same look: and from what I can tell, the movie, TWBs version, and just about every other instance I can remember use the classic FNAF 1 office layout almost exactly. This isn’t a dig at ITP, it’s not a bad office and is probably much better than 1s, but still; if we’re supposed to be given the impression that the location is the same and the changes are gameplay only, then i feel like the devs would do a better job at it given how good the game is.
Thank you so much for displaying the supporting evidence on screen when you mention something
One thing I will say well I do think this game is canon. I do believe the story is an intentional, parallel to midnight motorist
(when I say parallel, I mean the actual version of it the game in the character share similarities with what’s going on with that mini game, but it doesn’t make the game non-Cannon)
Let me explain
The plot of the game story is about Oswald, who lives in a house with his mom and dad 3 people. Oswald see the MCI and his dad is replaced by pit trap the agony manifestation of Williams bad deeds.
Oswald in order to start pittrap has they keep going back to “that place again” and pittrap tries to stop him from going back by checking on him. Pitrap is also tormenting Oswald. Also an Easter egg is that the stitchwraith can appear outside the window
Midnight motor story
The Runaway is a kid who lives with his dad and another, he keeps going back a place that his dad doesn’t want him to keep going back to that place and he promises when the son comes back he will be sorry. When the orange guy who is confirmed to be, William comes outside there’re our footprints, but they’re only seems to be one
if we use the into the pit story we can sort of figure out what midnight motorist is telling us
Oswald is representing Michael
He Is associated with foxy throughout the entire game
. In the classroom hallucination, the other 3 kids wear Freddy Bonnie and Chica
. Oswald seeing the MCI is very similar to foxy go go go even with William standing there smiling
. In the bad ending, it’s implied Oswald’s character that he possesses is foxy.
. Oswald add a 4th paper to the team
. Pittrap sees Oswald as his son and pretends to be his father.
Pittrap represents William (I don’t really think I need to explain this.)
The couch person represents Miss Afton
. In MM there is no other car at the house this means the person on the couch uses William’s car
. The person on the couch talks to William with authority they basically tell him what to do
The stitchwraith Easter egg could represent two characters for MM
Shadow Freddy or golden Freddy
I think shadow Freddy would be the most likely
Dude, I also came to the conclusion that the characters in Midnight Motorist are William, Michael and his mom (Though using “Coming Home”, a Fazbear Frights story that can’t be compatible with the games canon, as a parallel to the family in Midnight Motorist)
@@angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065 interesting
My personal belief right now is that midnight motorist is in 1987 after the DCI
Wow, I used to always think the couch person was clearly Mike due to the gray shirt and the fact that Mike also likes watching TV, but the moment you brought up that Oswald is constantly tied to Foxy, an animatronic used to represent Michael, I immediately was like "OH, okay yup this guy's good, I'm convinced", plus after some thinking about it, there is no way the Crying Child/David would ever break a window to escape since the poor baby is always crying and curled up in a ball, he would be too scared to escape with someone like freaking Fredbear, you know, the animatronic that he has an intense fear of likely thanks to his child killer bastard of a father named William Afton (Such a good fatha of the year, giving his son not just a phobia of Fredbears, but also Winnie the Pooh who he may mistake for Fredbear due to being yellow and also a bear).
@@Flowermations I used to believe that too, but I’m 100% Michael is the runaway not the couch person
1. Crying child being the run away doesn’t fit with his character at all. He’s not a rebel.
2. The house is a completely different house from the Fnaf 4 house and Elizabeth is not there which one it makes sense she doesn’t die until 1985
3. Fnaf 6 Riding Rockets minigame song is called the Runaway. The mini game uses helpy and helpy throughout the game represents Mike
4. In five laps at Freddy Freddy’s the dice have 1987 and the MPH has 187
@@Browhatisyoudoing Okay, I'm a little confused, I thought you believe the couch person in MM was Mrs. Afton? Did you mean to say you were 100% certain that Mike was the runaway kid?
I must say, I'm impressed! At first, I was skeptical, but as I kept watching, you convinced me! Great job!
Its important to note that the way Scott uses Canon and Continuity is the literal defintion of those words, even though people these days say canon to refer to continuity. Every instance of the word canon he specifically uses is still the proper usage.
Scott is Christian, Canon is a commonly used word in Church, because everything in the bible is Christian Canon, but not everything can co-exist, because there are a lot of contradictions. That's how they explain to kids how the stories inside are metaphors and not literal.
I’ve always lied the theory that all the fazbears frights books and the tales from the pizzaplex books are in universe books fazbear made to help cover up any rumors that sprout up, and if their in universe media then that would explain how some frights characters appear on security breach arcades, that would in turn make Into the pit game a in universe game to help quell any rumors about the MCI, or as a way to make money and profit off their original books they wrote, it always seems to fit to well to me, then again that’s my own opinion, ik not everyone agrees with it, love the video can’t wait to see more in the future 💯
you are so interesting to watch, refreshing!
This video fed my children, set the missing children's souls free and kept William confined to H-E-L-L
(I love this video)
into the when it pits.,.,.,
I love how most of these are either 60 paragraph long debates or just "pit"
It's probably not canon to the mainline continuity, but is canon to a new one, or something. Also, "details from novels don't match the games" isn't that much of an outlier when you remember that literally none of the games match the novels perfectly.
So the reason Scott and everyone else are comfortable with calling it canon is because they think that "canon" doesn't mean the same as "canon to the original timeline", which I guess makes sense.
At last someone with the same with my thinking
Oswald’s dad could be Bonnie Bro’s (Cassey’s Dad) “parallel” across continuities. Oswald is just a parallel of Cassey in many ways. Great way to highlight our newest (pre HW2 update) family dynamic to the capital “C” Canon.
5:26 this art man. It KILLS me every time I see it. Holy 😂
Why does Yellow Thing in there look so happy and then in the game adaptation he looks like an actual demon??? 😭
It reminds me of the art used in WikiHow articles lmfaooo
I think it truly is just a story. But it’s the amalgam of several viewpoints. Since it’s the agony of SEVERAL kids, the stories are muddled together.
This explains a lot of things that point to various games. The kids all died under (sometimes slightly) different circumstances.
Some things from all deaths would be the same; such as the golden Bonnie suit being its own entity instead of a suited killer. Also about the kids running away, all aware of what’s about to happen. They all scream and run when he shows up because their memories are “scary and bad,” not necessarily just “eventually kills me when alone.”
It’s the strongest part of the memories for all of them, so it coalesces into an actual entity. Not just a dancing animatronics like the Faz-bots. And definitely not something with a person inside; More like a true monster.
Their memories and fears are muddled together to tell one complete story.
This is why so many details point to so many different games. They’re not simply Easter Eggs, they’re more like the Agony of different kids projecting memories of different places/layouts into one big Pizzeria.
HOLY HEAVENS, this video was a jump scare! I didn’t know this was coming out!
i love Anderoth65's video on the matter.
The agony being Williams just clears up a lot of stuff/ questions i had. Instead of looking at everything as a general "this is a puzzle to use for the other games" you simply look at it like "This is how william sees things/remembers"
6 children? Well... Even though its not technical... The puppet is also a victim. and is always connected to the MCI. So that would make sense. Especially since its williams agony.
Fredbear posters? Well... William would know and fawn over Fredbear. So though it wouldnt make sense in the timeline... if you see it as "this is williams past/what he thinks about" its more acceptable why HE would see the posters.
The people finding out about the killlings? Could just be what william thinks would happen if he got caught. Anger on what couldve happened if he wasnt as careful.
Wheres foxy? Well... even though williams son killed the crying child (Had the foxy mask)...William prolly wasnt angry at his son anymore. After he tortured him... plus after a long time... he prolly didn't hate michael anymore before he died by the springtrap. His agony wouldnt hold on to foxy. Cause theres no anger anymore.... so theres a lack of foxy.
If its true that Oswalds Dad was one of the bullies... even more reason for william to abduct him. To show the pain he felt.
Sure. The game prolly seems like it has inconsistencies. But i usually chalk it up to agony. Not as a band aid.... but moreso to explain why this game exists.
As you said. Its not always gonna be a puzzle. So... just look at it like its a story.
This is how william came back (oswalds help). It also hints to stuff we didnt know before. like what happened to the other bullies (oswalds father potentially)
Its not a "timeline fixer" at least i dont think its what its trying to do. Its trying to make the story clearer . and unfortunately it comes at a cost. Cause its williams mind/his thoughts... its about what HE wants to focus on. not us.
If im wrong im wrong. But thats how i feel. Its canon to the story. Its just not made to fit in the TIMELINE. its focusing on the STORY.
Yes! Anderoth65's theory is pretty good, some parts are kinda reachy but I still like it. The part that made me go "oooh interesting" was the faded splatter you can see in the secret room; under the chair Oswald's dad is. Love his vid.
Even if his theory is completely wrong, I still really like the idea.
I’m happy that someone has done this video because it’s been so annoying seeing people say that the into the pit game is canon when it clearly isn’t
Always happy to jump in and be the contrarian 😉
Been watching fnaf stuff for a decade and this has been the best channel I’ve ever come across on these topics
That's really kind of you to say! I've been there since the start as well so that's a huge compliment
Please do a “The fnaf story according to funko pop” because technically the official funkos are canon
Yes
1. The developer said they had to change some stuff to fit with the lore
2. The game implies Oswald‘s dad is the Freddy bully there wouldn’t be any reason to do that if the game wasn’t Cannon
3. The game was the 10th anniversary game.
4. The marketing and description said it will reveal secrets in the Fnaf story and if it wasn’t Canon, then it wouldn’t be doing that.
5. The place where Oswald’s dad works snack space appears in security breach
6. It is getting another book and return to the pit is a sequel to the week before and VIP, which are confirmed to be canon
I address all these bar 2 and 5:
The Freddy mask thing is interesting, but I actually think it could be a reference to the Fazbear Fright's story You're The Band, where a haunted Freddy mask is a central part of the story. Considering the litany of other Frights references I could see this being one of them.
I don't hate the idea of Oz's dad being the Freddy Bully, but I don't see much reason for it. There's little to no other references to him being related to such an event, but I could see either being the case.
@@UnwitheredTruth I disagree
1. You’re the band is a scrap story so I don’t think there will be any real reference to it
2. That wasn’t a Freddy mask that was quite literally Freddy’s head. The spirit inside Freddy possessed to me because he was literally wearing his possessed animatronic head.
3. The Freddy bully theory has a lot of weight because of the games connections to Fnaf 4
. Oswald has all the Fnaf 4 toys
. Pit trap see him as his son and the character Oswald is associated/potentially possess is foxy referencing Michael wearing the foxy mask
. There are a bunch of references to the bite of 83 even the announcer from the past says
“ please do not put anybody’s heads in the animatronics “again””
@@UnwitheredTruth the difference is in your the band it's not a Freddy mask but Freddy's actual head
13:14 I'm glad I'm not the only who noticed that the party room is sealed off in Jeff's pizza meaning that yes the ballpit showing that the MCI died in the party room is accurate.
Seeing as there was a lab like room, it could be Afton moved there after he killed the OG5 to experiment. Which leads to the creature killing the six.
Or... the agony shows what the children wanted: to be seen. Instead of being silently killed off, or maybe it being someone else who dies and themselves being saved.
But, that is if you allow agony to have a play.
Main continuity has TOYSHK(The one you shouldn't have killed) as the 7th Victim of William Afton and as someone important to the 6 other victims: Charlotte Emily, the MCI (4 victims) and Cassidy. Fnaf 4, fnaf world, Midnight Motorist and UCN tie together the story of this enigmatic male spirit. All that's known truly is that William Afton hurt him so badly, his spirit cannot be rested by normal means, unlike the 6 souls rested by the FFPS fire in the lore keeper ending. His failure to be rested IS UCN. UCN is an agony fueled memory nightmare that he trapped the soul of William Afton in so that he would know what it's like to NEVER be able to rest. OMC alludes to this by Begging TOYSHK to rest as Afton is suffering as he wished: "Leave the demon to his demons and rest your own soul, there is nothing else." TOYSHK as the hidden character Fredbear, ignores this and dives back into the red lake which now serves as a portal between fnaf world and UCN(you can get the OMC achievement/menu trophy in fnaf world if you play through his UCN interaction. Which proves the 2 are connected.) This means whatever Afton did to him in his final moments broke the boy's spirit as he now lives for the suffering he can cause William Afton eternally, a tit for tat reaction to his own senseless murder, of which ONLY he remembers.😅
In MM, Afton refers to a boy in two phrases; "Open the door! He can't do this to me, this is my house!" And "Ran off to that place again, he will be sorry when he gets back." Important note: ONLY William Afton ever refers to this boy as a runaway. The person in the chair refers to them as an individual who's had a rough day. The important thing is this whole section of MM is called "Later that Night" in the code, implying that the relevant daytime section is elsewhere as it's heavily implied that this night time section is Afton absconding home after killing Charlotte Emily. The Toy Chica intermission from UCN has this statement:"I'll invite him over to my house. If he doesn't come, then I'll go to his house. If he doesn't open the door, I'll find a window. Chimney is always an option." After which Toy Chica's backpack gets another animatronic part(murder indicator). This marks the path William Afton takes around the house in the later that night section of midnight motorist. Fnaf 4's night six ending cutscene may be the missing daytime section as all of Fnaf 4's mini games take place at day time and involve the Afton household in some way. Doesn't it seem strange that Dave died some time after the bite of '83 because his imaginary friend started talking to him? He dies crying because of the imaginary friend talking to him as the Fredbear plush. In Fnaf world, the same imaginary friend appears in the clock ending as both a guide(Glitch bear) and in the ending itself, which is a reference to Fnaf 4 night 6. The bedroom with the locked door in MM is even in the same region of the Afton house as Dave's one in Fnaf 4, the far back. The SL private room indicated that the imaginary friend was Afton speaking through a walkie talkie inserted in his son's plush toy. The same plush toy who's disappearance in Fnaf 4 night 6's ending directly leads to Dave's death. Implying Afton was always nearby, for better or worse.
Fnaf 3's happiest day mini game goes hand in hand with the lore keeper graves from FFPS. The graves match the position of the 6 spirits in the mini game; Charlotte Emily in the back organising the party, the MCI at the left of the table and Cassidy as Golden Freddy on the right of the table. There's someone important missing. The survival logbook has a male spirit of a scared little boy being told by another spirit that: "the party was for you." This IS the absentee. Fnaf world's Black Tomb yard even has a block of six graves, with a seventh one isolated far away from them. That would be a reference to the total number of victims of William Afton. 1 forgotten about and 6 remembered and put to rest. TOYSHK is the forgotten 7th victim of William Afton and William Afton's own son.
"Sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you'll just...drive yourself crazy."
my favorite fnaf game that is definitely in continuity with the main game timeline is five laps at freddy, the most continuity-ist game to continuity!
You're never going to believe who's in Five Laps at Freddy's.
"my name is Edwin. I made the mimic."
It may not be canon but it’s still one of the most fun fnaf games we’ve gotten in a while
TBH I think you did a better job than ID Fantasy in determining whether this game is in the same continuity or not
Occam's razor would tell us this game clearly isn't in main continuity
Haven't played the game or any FNAF games yet, but I think Into the Pit is an in-universe game.
I agree with....basically everything you said.
Your theories alone are really engaging, but your editing always keeps me hooked! Keep it up 👍
I think that this game takes place in the movie’s continuity. I will stubbornly support my joke of a position and die on this tiny, tiny hill. How do we know? Because there isn’t any evidence directly against it.
Wait a minute, I haven’t played into the pit but some of the evidence in this video actually supports this. The plane and BB figurine obviously, but also the 6 victims with the 5 possessing the main 4 animatronics and Golden Freddy then Garrett. We don’t see the MCI in the movie (unless I’m forgetting about it) so it very well could have been how it was shown in the game. The office is also similar with the monitors lined up on the wall, the lockers and the singular door on the left hand side of the room when looking at the monitors. That would be kind of funny. Of course the layout is still different, and there really is no good reason for this to be the case. But it’s a fun stupid theory.
Edit: Shit! This can’t be true because of Jeff’s pizza. That sucks.
Yes it can, Afton died, the place is abandoned, then Jeff could buy it a few years after the movie.
@ I didn’t realize the movie took place so long ago, yeah it still does work. I’m sure there’s still a detail I’m forgetting, but I like this theory.
@@2shy2guy52 it takes place in 2000
Almost 20k subs already?? Let's goooo! Good job man👍
Completely agree with everything in the video! Gave my thoughts in a perfect way. Loved the video
Do believe in stitchline and talesgames? I am currently Frights/TalesFiction, the recent Edwin thing just seems like a reference, since FLAF is a in universe game, not only is it weird for Murray to be there at all among some other things.
Uh no
1. Tails games got confirmed with the recent Fnaf vr2 teaser for the DLC on Tuesday because Tiger rock is there
2. In universe game doesn’t excuse that.
The spring Bonnie antenna= Afton MM
Then Edwin existing = tales games
Devious mode activated (silver eyes trilogy being in the same timeline mentioned)
(nobody will know what I’m talking about 😭)
MY BOY SPITTING FACTS 🗣️🗣️🗣️
2:42 oh the random English lesson... lol
it was recently confirmed that TalesGames is canon from the HW2 DLC Teaser where you see the Tiger Rock Plush, and in FLAP there is Edwin's billboard, now, in Tales there is a Story called "FRAILTY" where the protagonist has literally Elanor's pendant, and since the Tales are like Season 2 of the Frights, the Fazbear Frights are canon too.
Pregnant springtrap is canon. this is what you wanted.
love the video--but next time maybe ditch/decrease the opacity on the scanlines that pop in and out of the video
they can strain some people's eyes (including mine)
again, other than that, keep making videos. been loving your content
Not sure what the fandom name for this theory is... but I always kinda leaned that the game is in universe media financed by the company to deflect suspicion.
That's called FrightsFiction - I'll most likely make a video on it someday, though with some recent reveals it's seeming less likely to be true (though it definitely could be for the novel trilogy or this game in particular).
FLaF coming in hours before this went up is crazy
That being said Henry came from the silver eyes first so who knows
FLaF is an in-universe game tho, but I do think Edwin exists in the games. Maybe his story is different from the one in the books. I mean, Henry kills himself in the novels but in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim
@@LadyLuckyLu dawg if the Afton antenna can confirm MM then the Edwin sign can confirm tales games💀💀💀💀
@KirbyFan-h9y To me the antenna doesn't confirm it lol.
@KirbyFan-h9y I believe Edwin is in the games, but his story doesn't have to be the same as the one in the book. Look at Henry, in the novels he kills himself, but in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim.
@@LadyLuckyLuthat’s what talesgames believers aren’t understanding, the name afton started in the books and was used in the games later but william has a completely different story in the games from the books
talesgames fans are insisting that the books are 100% in the games timeline but refuse to remember how fnafs story has been told so far.
it may be that the location shows the MCI events in Jeff's location because Oswald doesn't know any other and his brain shows him what sounds the most logical as for Garret's plane it may be a toy of one of William's victims
My fav fnaf youtuber
There’s no doubt in my mind Into The Pit isn’t cannon to the game series, at least from what I’ve seen. The biggest reason is the “MCI” depiction. It’s just not it. The MCI that happened in this game happened in front of SEVERAL pairs of eyes, children or not. They didn’t go missing, they were likely confirmed murdered from the get-go. On top of that, different children were kidnapped throughout the week meaning there’s a lot more than six. Reason 2: we see Afton’s little hideout but it’s clear the springtrap in the game that speingtrap isn’t being piloted by afton in the suit, it’s a robot with an endo skeleton. But that makes no sense, speingtrap was one of, if not the first Animatronics made. It wouldn’t be autonomous. Reason 3: Why are the FNAF 1 animatronics trying to kill Oswald? IF that was the MCI incident and they’re possessed, why kill Oswald? He’s a kid, not an adult. Or maybe Afton already made his Animatronics murderous before the game and activated their aggressive mode… which doesn’t make any sense.
The only possible way it could be cannon is if all the stuff in the past was just Oswald dreaming it all up, which like he said at one point, would be super unsatisfying and nothing could be believed.
Some things could be explain if you use assumptions and stretches: The building thing could be explained that the animatronics were later relocated to the fnaf 1 building and the bodies were stuffed beforehand. And The kidnapped children were have to save could always be the spirits of the murdered children. But neither of those are satisfying and make zero sense.
This was lots of words to agree with him. This game is 100% NOT cannon
It would Be Certainly interesting if it was In Continuity
13:10 But that is EXACTLY what we saw in Foxy Go Go Go, is it not? The kids dead in the open in a party room. Even the poses match.
Foxy GoGoGo is a weird one, cause Foxy has no stage that leads directly into any particular party room. I feel like it was more interpretive (like all the minigames in FNAF 2).
The evidence for them being in a safe room is more compelling, as in FNAF 3, Phone Guy (seemingly in the leadup to the MCI) says that customers should never be brought into the safe room, and then William leads them there in Follow Me, which Henry calls out as being "back to a familiar place".
@@UnwitheredTruth the safe room thing is kind of inconsistent because also in VR1 glitch trap kills the Freddy kid in the backstage
So it’s never really consistent if he kills all of them in the safe room
When Henry says familiar place, he could just be referring to where William Fully stuffed the kids in the suits
Even before ITP I felt that the Springtrap location wasn’t Fnaf 1
Firstly I just want to say that you are very smart and I respect you a lot. Like you take time to explain definitions of parallels and cannon and how they are cannon (btw tf did novel Doug do???) when most other theorists I've seen usually only explain it after they've brought it up which causes admittedly minor confusion sometimes. And I can easily tell how much thought and care you put into your videos and that's something that I hope I can imitate(? No good word to out here) when I eventually create my own videos.
Mainly because of my own goal to create a better community where discussion is easier. And I very much respect you for that even if I don't always agree.
For example: as you pointed out calling every William by "William" doesn't really work when they're 4 characters who go by that name. So I seperate them as the following names for easier discussion.
Novel Cont: Dave.
Movie Cont: Steve.
Frights Cont: Fright-Liam.
Games/Og Cont: William. Makes discussion easier as each name connects to their respective continuity.
And uhm actually I'll be making a second comment for my actual thoughts because uhm this is getting long. Sorry for singing your praises too much. But I genuinely admire your drive to not spread misinformation and only use honest information and maje that clear.
And yeah that's it I don't know how to end this comment lol.
Novel Doug is a pervert, who looked at Max chest
(I am not making that up)
@@Browhatisyoudoing
Ayo what the f-
No but seriously why was that ever in a draft?
@@Prince_Zero-10 most drafts before final have dumb shit in them, it's just a part of the writing process
@@wolfthegreat87
Ik just WTF
That's a really kind comment I'm lost for words! I highly encourage you to make your own videos, fresh voices are always needed in this community and even though it's hard work, it's very rewarding to hear what people have to say about something you've made (like you've done here).
Best of luck and thanks so much for the lovely comment!
By this logic the games the books and the movies are all different universes cooool
For such a young channel your editing and analysis of the lore are really good.
Also, a quick question, was the intro sequence animated by you? It was pretty cool.
It was! It took me a while to figure out blender physics simulation but I got there in the end 😂
Hey man great video! Your insight is really good
Let me see:
Flaf confirmed tales games, tales games have frailty which confirms stitchline
Case solved
FLaF is an in-universe game, it should be taken with a grain of salt.
@LadyLuckyLu then aftonMM isn't canon
@@Wizardjones69 To me is not.
@@LadyLuckyLu it is
@@Wizardjones69 Once again, FLaF is an in-universe game. And AftonMM never made sense. Pizzeria Sim is about tying up loose ends, MM being about William creates more loose ends.
This is pretty long but i believe i have found a way for Into the Pit to be canon to the games.
Ok so if Stitchline is confirmed by Into the Pit then the relevant Frights stories need to be explained and i think i got it.
*Into the Pit* has no evidence for being after FNAF 6 nor does some of the other Frights stories. Sure it's implied but the stories that are basically the origin of Stritchwraith itself ( *Fetch* and *The Real Jake* for example) have no concrete set date to happen. Theres nothing stopping some of the stories to take place long before Stitchwraith.
Ones like Out of Stock, *1:35 A.M.* and *Step closer* obviously all happen after Stitchwraith as we know they collected the pieces of the animatronics and stuff.
But the stuff like Eleanor creating the Plushtrap chaser (which we know that it existed for a while since people repeatedly kept sending it back to the store) and terrorising people in *1:35 am* , *Step Closer* , *Blackbird* and *Hide-and-Seek* don't need to be around the same time as Stitchwraith.
I'm just saying there can be time jumps in between stories. Like:
*Room for one more* obviously takes place before Sister Location which has SnackSpace from *Into the Pit* mentioned in it
*Prankster* has Glitchtrap in it so its after Help Wanted was in development.
*What We Found* is basically a retelling of FNAF 3
*Room 1280* says William has been there for a long while after FNAF 6, all these are years apart from eachother so stories can happen at any point in the canon.
So *Into the Pit* ,*Fetch* , *The Real Jake* and all the stories where Eleanor was involved with creating things like *To Be Beautiful* can happen years before FNAF 6.
Eleanor and the Stitchwraith can do there own thing for a long while from when they are created
And then the stories like *Room 1280* and everything we know the Stitchwraith is connected with can happen after FNAF 6.
If Into the Pit is indeed canon to the games then it can make sense when you consider there is a gap in time between the stories.
This explains how and why we see *Fetch* , *To Be Beautiful* and *Count the Ways* can be in the game, because they happen before Oswald goes in the pit.
*Here's addressing some possible contradictions:*
The Easter eggs are not canon as the developers said and the Stitchwraith can appear in Oswald's window because they do exist at that time.
I know you guys will say no because Andrew went into Fetch after William exploded in the factory but his spirit was split across many things when that happened and nothing really says Andrew was in Fetch during *Fetch* and could easily of latched to Fetch as it would of had agony from being beaten up like what happened to the Mimic. Fetch can just be a faulty product, it may be a lame answer but not everything can be great (Fazgoo and Springtrap pregnancy anyone).
Eleanor is still a mystery but if she is indeed and agony creature created after either Elizabeth’s death, the agony collected from the kids William experiments with in his bunker (my personal belief) or just is Shadow Freddy like people have theorised before, nothing is stopping her from existing for a long time until we see her in the Stitchwraith stingers.
What do you all think?
their is 4 timelines
1) games
2) books
3) movies
4) into the pit and other books into games
and any other
Thank you withered Freddy also i do like the theory of separate timelines
I always thought the game was just a fun anniversary game and not actually cannon and I was so confused why people thought it was.
In my opinion I think Into the Pit isn’t supposed to be taken too seriously I guess… I feel like the entire thing is meant to be a metaphor for the mci. With the book, at least, I feel this 100%. I feel like The making of the book into a game isn’t supposed to alter the meaning of the book… just make it so that it’s playable and fun for fans, and for Scott to take his creative liberties I guess. This isn’t meant as a criticism to you btw I really like what you’re saying
Unwithered truth, you are a great RUclipsr in a great theory one of my personal favorites, but I do disagree with this video. Gonna count some of the points but gonna be respectful because I don’t like toxicity and I understand where you’re coming from.
1. The into the pit location in the Fnaf 1 location are the same. Into the pit just shows us that the location is much bigger than we thought.
We can confirm that the Fnaf 1 location is where the MCI happens Fnaf 2 phone calls, and the dreams because of retrofit theory basically confirm that that’s true
“You may have noticed there are no doors for you to close, heh. But hey, you have a light! And even though your flashlight can run out of power, the building cannot. So, don't worry about the place going dark”
The week before shows that the location is much bigger than we thought it was there’s even a room we don’t see because it has a broken camera. There’s also a ID card just like into the pit
2. Yes Jeff does restore the building back to its 1985 glory in my opinion
I believe the reason why FE redesign the building in the first place was because they didn’t want people to know the fact that they were basically reusing the 1985 location so they made it look different
When the location eventually shut down, Jeff bought it and unsealed most of the rooms
While this is kind of dumb I do think it is possible I mean right now it’s been confirmed
That apparently in 1985 it was the classics then the withered then back to the classics
3. Into the pit is not the first time a 6 kid is introduced to the MCI the first time is ultimate custom night with the toy chica high school years she killed 7 people in the anime cutscenes
She already has a foxy hook and she kills 6 more
Later, in curse of dread bear there are 8 grade surrounding Williams purple one.
I do believe Andrew is the vengeful spirit, but that’s a whole Nother topics
4. Garrett’s plane is just meant to confirm that Garrett is a version of the crying child and also likely confirmed that the crying child is also named Garrett (I don’t believe his name is Dave sorry)
Garrett’s plane being there was originally a part of cut Afton family Easter egg where objects representing Mike Vanessa and Elizabeth we’re going to be there
5. Novel in universe is actually possible since we seen almost all the novel characters make it into the games
Ella and twisted wolf. However, there is sometimes where stuff is just an Easter egg. Like the joy of creation is reference in security breach, but it’s obviously not in the main company.
6. The room where pittrap hide Oswald’s dad is the safe room
1. The safe room is a room without a camera and this room doesn’t have a camera.
2. Freddy cannot access the room because an animatronics cannot enter the safely.
3. It’s a room only Pittrap knows about.
4. The safe room is connected to that party room Osswald goes through the party room vent to get to that killer room.
This makes it so that pittrap killed the kids in the safe room, but put their bodies in the party room. Too scared of the adults and show Oswald the mci
7. into the pit is a distorted version of the 1985 incident. We can confirm this with 2 things
1. Afton was not a agony demon when he killed the kids
2. The location thinks the Gabriella sketchbook was open after the MCI all the way up to August. This shows that what happened in the ball pit world didn’t happen in the real world.
Also, the reason the location is still open after the MCI is because missing reports aren’t filed until 90 days so it’s likely open until September
3. William Spring lock audio can be heard in a phone call and Pittrap even references the event happening
“ I’ll make you suffer just like I did”
8. The puppets absence can be explained
1. The puppet was just added after the MCI since the location doesn’t seem to close till September.
2. The puppet is specifically erased from the distorted memory to show that puppet stuff isn’t true. William didn’t infect stuff the kids.
9. The point of into the pit is to kill of MCI 1983 and confirm that the MCI happened in 1985
10. Foxy is an out of order and into the pit. He’s just gone for a while. This can be explained through 3 ideas
1. He’s getting replaced by Funtime foxy
2. It’s setting up the VR 1 repair mini games. Classic OG’s have been confirmed so the VR parts and service as many games are after the MCI fox’s mini game even ends with it being Stated that pirate Cove will be reopen
3. Foxy is removed from the ball pit memory because the pittrap wants to use him for Oswald to possess
11. The reason why there was so much Vanessa/Vanny stuff is because the Developers were big fans of the character and wanted to explore her they even wanted to make a game about her. The stuff was like likely cut for a couple reasons.
1. Vanny has nothing to do with the plot of into the pit
2. They were assuming a lot of things. If we look at the files, this show shows that the team believed. Glitch Afton, princess Vanessa Vanessa Afton, and we can confirm that 2 of those are likely not true
Glitch afton and princess Vanessa (unfortunately)
3. The mini games also don’t make sense with the time. Period. Because Vanessa is messing around with the classic animatronics and even if she is an Afton, she would have to be born in 1997 and follow me would have to be like in 2015
Overall, this is a great video, but I do completely disagree. I do think this game is Canon to the game timeline. I think fright reboot holds a lot of value now that we know Scott didn’t tell all the story about security breach.
Scott is trying to use the mega cat games to fix the timeline. I agree with that.
You seem to enjoy a Yappachino
number 2. is crazy
youre telling me jeff knew exactly where everything was in 85' and purposefully let arcade machines and fazbear memorabilia rot after reinstalling it in their EXACT location after 30+ years 🙃
@@Cross_Corp64 my fault it was there were a lot of points
@@CECSWF it is also possible that Jeff did redesign the building and the the ball pit location changes the stories contents to fit with the new building
You mean to tell me that Jeff, the man who in game clearly doesn't give one about renovation... renovated the place to make it look like a run down freddys?
Pit
🗣️
It's so obviously FazFiction
12:18 oz does not know who the Fnaf characters are. If he has a poster, then he’s a fan of the book, which contains Fnaf characters. It’s an ee cus it contradicts the games story outright.
All I can determine from these different timelines and theories and interpretations...
Clearly the MCI is the only canon event. If a time traveling Charlie tried to prevent the murders, a time traveling Freddy2977 from the year 2977 would come back and stop her. Or an older version of Charlie trying to stop the events of CharliePoint
10:03 It is? I thought the Fnaf 2 pizzeria is heavily implied to be and they are diffrent locations. Ahhh, these games are such a pain.
11:28 Isn't the chronology of Fnaf 3 already a mess without Jeff? You see, William Re-opened the Fnaf 1 room(Which idk why it exists) again to use it as his base for destroying the animatronics as per the Fnaf 3 flashbacks(Which may or may not explain why Spring Bonnie is there). So far so good, right? Well, except for the fact that Fnaf 3 has Phone dude tell the unnamed protagonist that they opened the room after discovering it on old floor plans.
Who in the world sealed it again in the abandoned location after William got springlocked and obviously did not seal it from the inside? The only way to sidestep this issue is to say that the rooms were incidentially decommissioned after the springlock(Which imo Fnaf 3 tries to imply through Phone Guy's instruction tapes) but that seems illogical, especially because the pizzeria was already closed for good.
I think Into the Pit is not the full story of what happens, and all the Stitchline stories haven’t been told fully truthfully, and the sequel book will make us question how the story really went down. I think the Fazbear Frights stories aren’t fully truthful and stories range from base on false rumours, base on real event but changed a lot, or true events being altered to get us the audience to think these stories are fake. The question then lead to who’s would tell a false version of real events to stop people from uncovering any truths, it’s in the name Fazbear Frights, Fazbear is know for cover story. But I think there is a Games Canon version of the Stitchline stories, they just even to this point with the game adaptation of Into the Pit never been “fully” truthful but the games version is closer then the book version.
(Asking me why we’ll I think if we remove the gameplay aspect and stuff like the alternate endings you get the closes to the real story, that in a way PitTrap is like William but base on the memories of him, that Oswald did spend some time trying to save his dad and the trapped souls, the mistakes all lay on the details related to the murders and this is still not a 100% accurate version of the event and maybe that the point, the souls only knew very little detail about the murders and how it played it, like how one of them wasn’t apart of that killing spree yet they all believed he was there, gets yay thinking)
TLDR: yay I think some version of Stitchline is in the game but the Frights version of it is alter to make it all seem fictional and the stories that doesn’t fit Stitchline is the biggest way of fictionalizing the story. And the games versions will be near accurate versions.
Dawko christmas stream just ended and Talesgames is kinda confirmed, which I kinda expected after watching Scott's most recent interview with Dawko.
Help Wanted 2 is getting an update, and the Tiger Rock plushie is there which is proof for it.
But I still take the books as a parallel universe, Spiderman is a great example. The same events happen in both continuities, just not exactly the same or with the same characters. Does Edwin exist in the games? Sure, why not. Is his story EXACTLY like the one in the book? It doesn't have to be.
Look at Henry. He comes from the novel, but in said novel he kills himself with a robot; and in the games he's alive and does Pizzeria Sim.
William in the novels steals Baby from Henry, but Sister Location seems to imply William created Baby.
FrightsGames is still debatable tough, we don't know if the stuff that happens in those are 1 to 1 to the games.
Frights are literally connected to tales. Tales don’t work without frights.
@turkeyman9914 I get that, but some stuff in Frights don't line up with the games. Don't get me wrong, I believe Frights happens but just not 1 to 1. We'll have to wait until Return to The Pit releases.
@@turkeyman9914 It kinda does though?
outside of one story, tales works just fine on its own.
@@MahNamJeff It really doesn’t. In animatronic apocalypse, eleanor returns, as well as in frality, and there are many more connections between the two book series. Also, VIP connects the two series even more.
IS THAT FUNNY VALENTINE. HELL YEA
Like Star Wars Canon and Legends = Non Canon
if we're using the word "canon" in the traditional sense, meaning pertaining to Scott's vision, obviously not. scott didn't make any of into the pit, and the book itself is already one layer of separation so the game is two layers of separation. only the clickteam games are truly canon.
Also HW2 shows the same 5 kids because ITP is a twisted memory and because Andrew isn’t an MCI victim.
I have a question btw, will you ever make a video related to Mike or any of the Aftons?
I don’t know anymore
Fair lmao, I just watched Dawko stream and Tales are pretty much confirmed to be in continuity with the games.
@
Yeah I know that and I’m not surprised
We know pretty certainly that the Fnaf 1 pizzeria is a different one from the MCI. The Fnaf 2 end screen that they would reopen in a new downsized location.
What background audio did you use?
It doesn’t make sense we see the scrap and animatronics from five nights at Freddy six