“Cyclists Are The SCUM Of The Earth” | Elderly Widower Killed By Cyclist
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- An elderly widower was punched to the ground and killed after he confronted a cyclist for riding his bike on the pavement.
Retired engineer Michael Dawson, 78, motioned for Nathan Pilling to dismount and walk his bike after the younger man rode near him on the sidewalk in Bury, Greater Manchester.
Founder of Cycle Legal Kevin O’Sullivan joins Talk’s Mike Graham to discuss this further.
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Love Mike - talks the truth and you can’t pull the wool over his eyes. This bloke talks rubbish - why on earth would you be against registration for cyclists unless you just think you’re too special to be regulated - ridiculous
Mike is not talking the truth I’m afraid. Displays a staggering amount of ignorance and naivety.
It baffles me how he gets away with it.
Mike displaying his usual anti cycling retoric, registration doesn't stop some car drivers driving like idiots so how in earth is cycle registration going to work even if it could be applied!
Another freedom being taken away......
@@barriewilliams4526don't worry, the government have no plans to introduce registration for cycles as they know it would be a complete waste of taxpayers money , would be totally unworkable and do absolutely nothing to improve road safety, unfortunately all that goes above mikes head as he just simply too thick to realise!
Please don't tar all cyclists with the same brush. I have third party liability on my bike just incase a pedestrian just walks out in front of me without looking. Don't forget pedestrians walk across cycle lanes without looking. The roads are appalling and dangerous to cycle on, motorist's know the roads are bad and complain so imagine being a cyclist. I don't ride on the pavement as when I first started cycling you couldn't ride on the pavement if your bike wheels were over a certain size. I rarely take my bike on the pavement, only at really dangerous junctions where it is safer to cross the junction by using the pedestrian crossing.
I've had an A hole cyclist like you nearly push me and my toddler son into a canal when we were legally walking along a towpath , Go stick your third party liability where the sun doesn't shine
Around my neighbour, they ride 2-3 abreast without any sort of consideration to the cars they’re holding up… and then they moan if I don’t give them their 1.5 metres 🙄
they think the roads are just for them!
They do it deliberately. They l o v e an argument
I totally get that, asteve. I've been forced to use my bike now, because of the costs involved for me running a car, so I sold it. But if I'm on a main road, and I see a queue building up behind me, I will always pull over to let the traffic flow. I've been stuck behind inconsiderate cyclists, when driving, and I am convinced they do it on purpose.
It is terrible and I think most cyclists on London's roads are absolute arseholes, jumping lights and all over the road. Im a very keen cyclist, out training as much during the week as possible, so I am not gonna stick up for the clowns out there that give all a bad name. Come on tho Mike, calm down and give the interviewee a chance to speak!
Oh fuxk off @verdeboyo you cu_nt, I'm ex plod, if some-one like Mike Graham asked me to validate my allegation of a crime from even 40 years ago I could, I wouldn't be saying "It happens all the time, but I can't tell you of a particular incident or how often, just take my word for it 'cos I said so" This 'solicitor' Kevin O'Sullivan is a lying turd who advocates for and excuses scum and won't take responsibility for the actions of his clients and their wider pier group. For the most part, casual adult use of a cycle (from the shed) could be covered by existing, licence and motor insurance for 3rd party liability.
The fact is @verdeboyo you could be struck by a cycle today, suffer a broken limb (costing £1000K+ paid for by NHS tax payers) or you could suffer dental injuries which could easily rise to £10k for which you would have to pay privately, while the human excrement (same as you) cyclist would ride off unsanctioned.
It would cost very little to have all cycles marked on the frame or behind the saddle with a unique number. The fact is we have a situation in the country where police are happy to issue RTA fines/penalty points to motorist, on the paltry, uncorroborated evidence of their private go pro, in for example minor non-contact infringements such as failing to give way to undertaking cyclists (an offence for any other road user) And YES YOU CU_NT I can give you prosecution of such. But the same Plod would do nothing if a cyclist committed a moving violation or damaged property - unless of course the cycle ran into a police car and damaged it's woke pro LGBT+ logos.
Another hum and harra, evading a straightforward answer.
As a spokesperson for the victims family I want to explain that this isn’t really an issue against cyclists.
This was a thug wearing a balaclava on an electric bike tearing through the pedestrian town centre without lights and acting menacing. He startled the victim and then approached him with violence. Sad that the media have gotten this confused… this scum bag isn’t a “cyclist” and this isn’t a fight against general cyclists at all.
Would be happy to have a conversation and shed some light on this case.
The victim was an elderly man and was attacked and killed, his killer got 5.5 years for what’s essentially murder.
Cycling on the pavement used to be illegal in the 60s, why can they do it now ?
Cyclists should be registered, licensed and insured.
How about no
Yeh and ban cars from going and parking on pavements while we are at it. Cars are always on pavements !!!
@@LeviJamesRE The cars are not usually doing 20mph on the pavements.
@susanwestern6434 No but they are usually doing faster than that on the road where disabled people and pushchair users are forced onto when they block pavements off completely
When I lived in London back in the 90's and early 2000's i was amazed at the insanity of cyclists, the aggression and entitlement.
They need to live in fear of the law....and NO CYCLING ON THE PAVEMENTS.
Mandatory insurance and a reg plate!
And I'm a cyclist...i have 3 bikes...electric, MTB and hybrid....but I'm sick of the lack of manners of many cyclists.
When I was growing up back in the 70's . The only people that would get away with riding on the pavements were toddlers with their parents walking with them. I think all bikes should have a number plate and they should have to pay insurance. I also think that guy should have got 15 years.
My GP says otherwise.
You talk to your GP ? You must go private
Cyclists in uk is very dangerous to pedestrians and other road users, they should have number plates and insurance or ban bicycles from the roads
You know what's more dangerous to pedestrians and other road users? Cars. Why shouldn't we ban cars from the roads in the same way?
it used to be that you were insured on your bike if you had house insurance as part of the general 'personal injury caused' bit. But I suppose the insurance companies have removed that one!!
Could be worth remembering that an average of 5 people are killed and around 80 are injured on UK roads in a daily basis so perhaps cars should be banned!
He has more excuses than you can shake a stick at. Just full of utter crap
This just proves you can't argue with stupid!
well said mike
and how many of the idiots stop at traffic lights
Why do they not pay insurance????
They do as they please, they hate cars etc
Should be 25 years not 5 - bloody disgrace
You get more for hurty words online 😮
Lots of cyclists are also motorists yet they change their attitude when they get on a Bike usually when in a Group and dressed in Lycra they think the road belongs to them they ride down winding country roads 4 abreast and will not move over for cars and such to pass ! If you are a adult and ride a cycle you should be insured and register with DVLA electric scooters and Bikes should also pay road tax this guy is living in the Forty's
I had a friend whose husband started a new job in Hastings, a few years ago. She didn’t drive, and new to the area, decided to cycle along the promenade from where they lived, to Hastings library to join. It was a wild, windy day, not a soul to be seen on the prom. Suddenly an overweight police officer appeared, held,up his hand, and stopped her. Asked “what do you think you’re doing?” She explained she was on her way to the library,and had just moved to the area. He told her she could have knocked down an old lady.
Asked for her name and address, and treated her appallingly. As I said, not a person was around. What a welcome to the town. Her husband had taken a job at the local council too. Now, older, and living on the coast, although a different town, it’s impossible for her to walk along the local promenade because of cyclists, sometimes 2 or 3 abreast. How times change.
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The ones who annoy me are the lunatic mountain bikers who think it's fine to go hurtling flat out along footpaths in the countryside and forests expecting people out for a walk to leap out of their way.
There are a few that will slow down or stop to let walkers pass by, but the majority don't seem to give a toss and think they own the bloody paths!
On the other hand, there are the idiots who go out walking on dedicated mountain bike trails expecting the bikes to slow down and stop in an instant
It doesn’t just happen in the countryside. I live in a very large, very busy village (it’s practically a small town) and ignorant cyclists won’t use the roads, instead the fly down the pavements and expect pedestrians to get out of THEIR way. Yes they should be registered, taxed and insured for the safety of pedestrians 🤬
Cyclists should pass a test, pay road tax, have a licence plate and have insurance.
What makes u think we don't have insurance
All tax payers pay for the road, , if you're unemployed and dont pay tax then you should not use the roads. vehicle excise duty is not a right to use the road it is a tax on the vehicle and just goes into the treasury coffer to be spent on anyhting.
@@Largerider that's just silly.
In that case I think pedestrians should also have to do all those things as well, I suggest that you Google as to how roads are actually funded, you might also find out that road tax was abolished in 1937 and also that 84 percent on adult cyclists also drive so have already passed a test!
@@janettetaylor8760 It uncheckable what you claim. I can go onto a public database (AskMID) and check any vehicle for insurance. You cannot do that for a cyclist. I would be happy to wager that 95% + of cyclists are uninsured. The only exception being cycle club members. And even then, I doubt it's comprehensive cover.
Cyclist should have insurance and registration. Full Stop
From what ive witnessed, not just riding on the pavement but equally as bad on the road. 80% jump lights.
Cyclists are breaking the laws, they should have licence plates and tests like car drivers plus points if they break the law
Many green cycle lanes have been put into cities all over the UK at taxpayers expense and they are hardly used. Cyclists will ride on the road instead and should be fined for doing so. If not then ban councils from wasting money on the scheme.
Well we can't use the cycle lanes because you car drivers always park your cars on them 😅
In the cyclists defence a lot of them are overgrown ,not maintained by the councils,on the other hand where they are provided the y should be maintained properly and an offence to ride on the road where they are provided!.🤔
Licenced Tax mot and insuranced that will stop the ones who are idiots
Tax?🤣🤣 ya clown
He's talking out his backside
I am obese, therefore we must all be obese.
I'm 71 and have cycled on and off all my life, as a small child we had tricycles on which we'd ride up and down the cobbled street in the area of Leeds in which we lived. I was taught from that early age that it's illegal to cycle on pavements. The problem is that there are not enough police about to enforce the laws regarding cycling on pavements. Vehicle hit and runs are often by people who have no license, no insurance, no MOT and probably on cloned/ false number plates. - In 2022, 91 pedal cyclists were killed in Great Britain, whilst 4,056 were reported to be seriously injured (adjusted) and 11,546 slightly injured (adjusted).
Wtf....registration plate wouldn't deter cycling!
Gotta love the cyclists sense of privilege, let me own the road without any of the charges the cars are subjected to. Registering would deter cyclists? GOOD
Good video. I was walking down Pimlico - Belgrave Road - and nearly hit, and yet there are cycle lanes nearby. It is madness.
These sort of horror stories have been going on for years and all we get is excuses, lies and waffle from the so called 'cycling community'. Enough is enough, no more weasel words, the time has come for action. All road bikes must be registered and insured. The Police must punish law breakers properly and not tolerate any infringements like cycling on pavements and running red lights. We gave them an inch and they took a mile. No more excuses.
You need to be a psychopath to cycle on modern roads with all the traffic and potholes. 😂
First of all, you're getting e-bikes mixed up. There are two kinds: legal, lightweight mountain bikes that are legal under UK laws with Bosch motors, Shimano, TQ, Pinion, Brose, etc. If the motor is a mid-drive, it'll be legal and lightweight and restricted to 15 mph. These are not like the rear-wheel motor e-bikes alot of youtubers are building these and selling them on to public it has to stop! they can weigh up to 50 kg. I'm an e-biker (eMTB) who spent a lot to have a legal e-bike. I hate these Chinese e-bikes that are being imported with speeds of up to 40 to 70 mph. What the heck? 15 mph is right on the limit of speed you would care about if you're not being a jerk with them! These people are giving real e-bikes a bad name! The e-bikes we ride that are legal are in no way any different from a normal bike on straight roads, etc. They only really help when riding up hills! The effort I need to put in is the same as on my normal bike, and I've never gone past 20 mph on the road when the motor cuts out. So there has to be research into these bikes before judgment is made. It's that simple!
5 years for murder? 😮
Question to all cyclists.
Spell spot ...........S.. P...O....T.
What do you do when you come to a green light?
oG?
Insurance, registration for identification, road tax. End of the matter.
In a pedestrian zone bikes and scooters should travel and walking pace.
I have cerebral palsy and can't way I sometime cycling on the pavement for saftey reason. Ulike the Netherlands the UK as no decent cycling infrastructure.
I live in Hull and the roads have been taken over by cycle lanes. Still the cyclists ride on the pavenment next to the cycle lanes and the police totally ignore it.
Making the expectation the rule.
Any road user should know highway code at the very least for safety. To use a bike should require a licence to use ensuring the rider has road knowledge
Stupid, irresponsible headline in order to stoke more division and get clicks. Mike knows absolutely nothing about this subject. Clearly hasn’t been on a bike in a very long time, and talks like he’s the authority.
Are all drivers SCUM because Kenneth Noye killed someone in a road rage incident in Swanley?
No, because Noye was a nutcase driving a car. This guy was clearly an a-hole who happened to be riding a bike.
As with most things in life, cyclists are on a spectrum. You get good, and you get bad and everything in between. Bit like with car drivers.
For the record, I am a cyclist. And a driver and a pedestrian. I agree that if there was a way to register all cyclists, but just in practical terms how big is the reg plate going to have to be on a bike for a CCTV camera to make out the reg.
I like Mike, but I think he's well out of his depth here. He hasn't researched what e-bikes actually are. He just thinks they are all the same heavyweight, high-speed, illegal e-bikes. They are not! And it's customs' fault for letting them through when every other country is holding them when they come off the ships just now! He needs to get on a bike himself and see how aggressive we drivers are to cyclists! When you are both the driver and cyclist, you become a better, safer driver, being more driver-friendly towards your fellow cyclists who are doing nothing but trying to live longer and lose a few pounds to get that bit more healthy!
I mean, most are entry egotistical and entitled
Cyclist offend just as much as motorist on the road and if they hit you you have to go to small claims school. You can't get the money back whereas in the car they claim off your insurance. So how's that fair?
Around my area rainham Kent in a lot of areas they just put up a sign next to the path to say that the path is shared path for cyclists and pedestrians, it's a joke most of them don't look where they are going.
There is this theme with some cyclists that its ok to ride SIDE by SIDE! regardless of any situation, or do as i please, and these SCOOTER riders and even some mobile disability people carriers on pavements are just as dangerous. None have passed a driving test!!
perhaps if they paid road tax, they might cycle on the road ?
No such thing as road tax 🙄
It's unfair for cyclists to pay road tax as they cause such a tiny amount of damage to the road compared to cars - the average weight of a bicycle is about 8kg, compared to 1600kg for a car
Dog walkers with aggressive little dogs on long leads on narrow pavements are a hazard,what about parked cars on pavement,where mother with prams and disabled people in wheelchairs are forced to walk on the roads with incoming traffic,such as cars.
Neither the dogs or the parked cars are moving at speed on a pavement.
@@susanwestern6434 One again.
Parked cars on pavement,where mother with prams and disabled people in wheelchairs are forced to walk on the roads with incoming traffic,such as cars. What if the mother and child are killed or the disabled person in their wheelchair.
In Greece you even see children on e-scooters
I think I think the guy is a peanut get on your bike peanut
Except in a lot of these spaces cars park in one or other of the spaces.
How many pedestrians are killed by cars and vans and lorries? Good luck enforcing and administering registration for cyclists.
Everyone is "let down by the police".
I seriously don’t know how these dives come on with no facts.
Is it just me or does Mike graham look like jabba the hut wearing a Michael gove disguise!
Does a person decide which comments to shove down to the bottom or is it done automatically?
the worst pedestrians are the ones with ear phones on listening to music unaware of things around them on the joint paths i call the zombies .
Cycling on the pavement is dangerous. Many electric bikes are travelling at 20 mph or higher. If they run somebody down injuries can be very serious. There is no insurance for the victim. All cyclists should be forced to buy insurance.
For some people driving a car is not a pleasure it is a necessity, but if it was for pleasure should they have to have their car registered?
Kevin full bike brain osullivan, if you break the law you should be traced i don't care if its a car or a bike to say it will stop cyclist for riding is a pathetic excuse.
BTW do something about the limebikes laying everywhere and i do mean everywhere.
I am a cyclist myself, and I feel appalled by this cyclist behaviour in response to the man. I agree that he should have gotten a longer jail time for killing someone. But there is also a more profound problem here that, if solved by law and by culture, would prevent cyclists to use the sidewalk. I'm referring to the behaviour of drivers of cars that constantly put cyclists at risk of life when riding on roads. I'm not defending that cyclist should use the pavement, I'm saying that cyclists should use the roads but roads NEED TO BE safer for cyclists.
Elderly Man killed by an idiot who happened to be riding a bike - it's not cycling or cyclists at fault here. Also Mike wow chill out and stop over reacting just because of your own bias - shameful treatment of your guest.
This is a horrific outcome, but please do not paint all cyclists with the same brush. Recently I was riding my bike with a friend, in the Netherlands mind you, and a car almost brushed my handlebar in passing (less than an inch away). So I got mad, this guy tried to kill me with his vehicle, and went after him. He ended the "conversation" with you cyclists are the problem!
I am a well in to road bike cycling, there utterly now way your should be on pavements to go cycling , kids , have a excuse for this . Big come on , get in a road and grow up . Just ridiculous behaviour
If every road had a cycle lane people wouldn't be on the pavement - I use both for my own safety - the roads are very congested
In Australia they changed the law to allow cycling on the pavement, as a way to ensure cyclists are safer when navigating dangerous roads. The problem is the lack of safe cycling infrastructure that forces cyclists to use the pavement. Of course this was an outrageous attack, but let's not forget the many more pedestrians and cyclists who are killed by cars.
There are a number of issues covered here, the bits tried to emulate the European concept of cycle lanes ect, brilliant idea which I agree with. The problem is, bits don't behave in the same way, just we tried to have European style street cafes/bars. We have a lot of feral people out there, unfortunately some of them are cyclists. Your film clip showed a road junction with a keep left bollard, just note how many didn't, just so they could access the cycle lane on the opposite carriageway. The councils designated footpaths dual purpose not taking into account the Blind/ partially sighted. If they're training for the tour de France, then they should be on the road.
I have ridden a bike since I was a child in the sixties and we stuck to certain rules - these days there is a certain type of cyclist who thinks they can behave in outrageous ways - so many of them do not adhere to the rules of the road which we did years ago -
so 20 in 5 years now whats the number of pedestrians who have been hit and the cycalist rode away in that same time
It doesn't get reported as it is impossible to investigate the incidents.
I have cycled all my life, commuted in London, if you jump lights you can get hit by those things called cars, i raced in a club,in the eighties, a lot of these people ride bikes but aren't what i would call a cyclist, they are just yobs on bikes, don't tar everyone with the same brush
The cyclists jumping the lights and riding on the pavement are from ALL backgrounds and ages. Stop it.
how many are killed by cars///??????????????
That case has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with being a cyclists.
Only 5 years...
Aw i love listening to Mike but he is wrong to tar everyone with the same brush and call all cyclists scum..a lot are really respectful of others i think the big important point that has been missed is THIS cyclist has killed this person. God bless this family
I CAN believe the police would do nothing. Mike, you'll be begging for people to be registered to shop in a supermarket next....wait