man , you've gotta be kiddin me ... driving a legendary mint condition M3, and not rev-downshifting ... you are fucking braking the transmission that way, and not to mention the lame shiftlock that spun you ... wtf ... p.s. i give a like for the nice video edit and the car itself
Fredrik Sørlie In some what of defence, I know more about what happened that day then everyone behind their keyboards ;) Of course I would love to see heel toe downshifts and perfect racing lines, but I guess that was not a package deal when this icon was bought ;)
***** Not jumping on the hate train. Just saying that mastering heal'n'toe is pretty simple and that putting in an hour or so practicing it would save the owner a few transmission rebuilds and perhaps even prevent a crash. I don't get why someone would want to put down this amount of cash to buy their dream car, but not put in the effort to learn to drive it properly. It's not like he is a bad driver either. He would master it in no time if he took half as much pride in his driving as he does in his ride ...
Well, the braking in itself could easily be improved. Leave the clutch alone when braking and not shifting. When heel-toe is not on his skillset yet, he might simply shift down some later, when the engine speed lowered. All this will help wear and stability. And with a bit more patience, he could be more confident. These cars need to be wrestled, so you have to be patient, if you're not you'll break some things.
Greatest BMW of all time and thank you so very much for sharing this most perfect of onboard perspectives! This driver MUST learn how to properly heel and toe downshift though...just an amazing slice of Motorsports history
I only wanna say is heel toe is not the only driving style, just the most popular. just cause you don't know how to do a heel toe by the text book doesn't mean your not an "enthusiast" I swear only internet drivers say that cause they believe anything they read on the internet >.< shit, even some professional drivers don't do a text book heel toe, even when I do it, it isn't textbook (I do it backwards, my heel does braking and toes do the gas, better control for myself), and yes heel toe does reduce shock and risk of spinning, it is not always necessary, that really goes on power of the car and how the chassis is set up, looks to me like this guy is driving this car plenty fast and probably faster then most people in this comments section without heel toeing the car. and here comes the disagreements lol
+Robert Steffan Some off us cannot heel and toe due to physiological restrictions yhay does not mean we cannot smoke those who can right off the track lol
Damn, I thought he looked like a lame from the side view of his face. After watching his driving, it confirmed it. So sad you drive such a machine tuned to such peaks and not be able to drive it right. Sell it to the worthy!! >:0
Who is this driver?? He waves aside cars at the same corner he spun out in, then immediately passes them and spins out right in front of them? ... and aren't these vintage cars?
Car should have been set up to be a little more loose and the suspension slightly softer. Minor mistakes from the driver but that d bag towards the end was not paying attention!!
Beautiful car, an E30 M3 was the first car I raced, this is why I don't do many track days, because drivers like him and the one he hit. He seems to have the hang of the dog-leg getrag gearbox (which takes practice) but can't be bothered to heel & toe on the downshifts. What a shame a real enthusiast doesn't own this car =0( swap ya for my E60?! Great video though Hesvid
Lekker bil :) elsker utvekslingen og hvordan bilen låten når han legger inn et nytt gir, høres ut som at bilen vil bryte lydmuren. Ser det er fryktelig mange som skriver det her om heel/toe for at du ikke skal ta livet av drivverket, men er ikke dette en fullspekka racer da? Skal vel litt mer til enn en litt urutinert fører for å totalrasere alt som heter drivverk? :/
I'm not a pro driver but come on, at least heel toe in that legendary racing car! My heart litterally broke when I saw how you're hurting the gearbox and the clutch :'( thats not the way you should drive a legend like the e30 m3, apart from that the car is beautiful and the sound is amazing, I really love this car!
Rohki Heel-toe is essential for driving a car with a manual transmission quickly and smoothly, I guarantee you he wouldn't have spun out if he'd rev matched the downshift at 3:30. Please explain to me how it is harmful? When done correctly it should put no stress on the drivetrain at all, which is much better than downshifting without rev-matching and relying on the clutch and synchros to do all the work, that's horrible for the car, not to mention dangerous, as shown by that spin.
This is the driver writing: this was only a slow test run and far from full speed. And this was the first 5 laps ever in this car. You don`t know it all by watching a video...
People saying he spun because of the downshifting? Am I the only one that saw the other car come across and hit his front end? he was already in gear with the clutch up before 'he spun'. and for people saying he's a bad driver, novice drivers are novice drivers. All start somewhere.
Oh, wow. Yh I didn't see that. Was tabbed out of the website for a minute n must've missed it. I thought people were talking about the bump at the end lol. No wonder the comments didn't make sense to me lol. Great video btw
sounding quite noobish, but at around 0:14 what are the two circular holes with red rings on the back for? i presume its fuel access for a race tank but I'd love to know!
Beautiful car Beautiful engine. Quick question- Why do you not rev match the downshifts? It is very VERY hard on the trans and entire drivetrain. Equally as important it disrupts the weight distribution on the car during corner entry. Was the car badly damaged from the incident?
Guys, I'm struggling to believe this is an original Group A, hear me out. 1) It's had a ground up restore for sure but why hasn't it been finished in it's original colours?! (around 50% more valuable as an asset). 2) All BMW 3 stripe wearing Group A cars had the door handles covered by the light blue but these are black. There were also a lot more then 3 2.3's built. 3) If it was a DTM 2.3 car then why hasn't it got Ravaglia/Poele stickers, if it was an ETCC 2.3 why hasn't it got Vogt. 4) The first official race for any Group A E30 was March 1987.....first official rally Apr'87......all their cars were factory backed.......me thinks this is a brand new replica worth £45K tops.......originals are worth £125k+.......discuss?! Not shooting anyone down, just an M car enthusiast and fellow petrolhead
Road Runner Ranter I see you know your history :) I'm 99% sure this is a Group A car. I talked to the owner and he bought it from a racing team in Sweden (Restored). I'm pretty sure this is one of the old "Team Dynamics cars". And the restore was done in other colors and theme.
***** Thanks! Funnily enough I've consulted for Team Dynamics when they were based near Prodrive, great guys. In '86 they were called VLR (Vic Lee Racing) and renamed as Team Dynamics after Vic Lee found his way into a jail cell! Doh! Matt Neal drove an ex Will Hoy E30 in 1992 entered under 'Rimstock Racing' but an E30 was never officially entered under 'Team Dynamics' as they were founded in 1993 and by then the E30 had made way for their 318is. I'd love to get to the bottom of this but I'd need chassis numbers and quite frankly it's not my car so.......a boy can dream. I could get a replica built for £40K....wanna go halves?!
Well, that's what happens when you don't REV MATCH on the downshift. How in the hell can some "advanced drivers" not know how to heel toe??
He cant drive for shit...no "heel and toe" caused that spin...a shame...
man , you've gotta be kiddin me ...
driving a legendary mint condition M3, and not rev-downshifting ... you are fucking braking the transmission that way, and not to mention the lame shiftlock that spun you ... wtf ...
p.s. i give a like for the nice video edit and the car itself
Thanks for the like Galin. In his defence this was the first time he drove the car.
***** Being unqualified is not a defence, Awesome car, but it seriously hurts to see it driven like that...
Fredrik Sørlie In some what of defence, I know more about what happened that day then everyone behind their keyboards ;) Of course I would love to see heel toe downshifts and perfect racing lines, but I guess that was not a package deal when this icon was bought ;)
***** Not jumping on the hate train. Just saying that mastering heal'n'toe is pretty simple and that putting in an hour or so practicing it would save the owner a few transmission rebuilds and perhaps even prevent a crash. I don't get why someone would want to put down this amount of cash to buy their dream car, but not put in the effort to learn to drive it properly. It's not like he is a bad driver either. He would master it in no time if he took half as much pride in his driving as he does in his ride ...
Well, the braking in itself could easily be improved. Leave the clutch alone when braking and not shifting. When heel-toe is not on his skillset yet, he might simply shift down some later, when the engine speed lowered. All this will help wear and stability. And with a bit more patience, he could be more confident. These cars need to be wrestled, so you have to be patient, if you're not you'll break some things.
Absolutely hopeless driver !!! If you can’t toe & heal you don’t deserve to drive such a classic BMW
Very sad about the crash at the end... Totally the other drivers fault...
Greatest BMW of all time and thank you so very much for sharing this most perfect of onboard perspectives! This driver MUST learn how to properly heel and toe downshift though...just an amazing slice of Motorsports history
ZondaF355 - Yes agree and also needs to sit closer to the wheel he is stretching to far 😀👍
no heel and toe :/
I only wanna say is heel toe is not the only driving style, just the most popular. just cause you don't know how to do a heel toe by the text book doesn't mean your not an "enthusiast" I swear only internet drivers say that cause they believe anything they read on the internet >.< shit, even some professional drivers don't do a text book heel toe, even when I do it, it isn't textbook (I do it backwards, my heel does braking and toes do the gas, better control for myself), and yes heel toe does reduce shock and risk of spinning, it is not always necessary, that really goes on power of the car and how the chassis is set up, looks to me like this guy is driving this car plenty fast and probably faster then most people in this comments section without heel toeing the car. and here comes the disagreements lol
+Robert Steffan Some off us cannot heel and toe due to physiological restrictions yhay does not mean we cannot smoke those who can right off the track lol
damn right ! haha
Great car- crap gearchanges
Damn, I thought he looked like a lame from the side view of his face. After watching his driving, it confirmed it. So sad you drive such a machine tuned to such peaks and not be able to drive it right. Sell it to the worthy!! >:0
Who is this driver?? He waves aside cars at the same corner he spun out in, then immediately passes them and spins out right in front of them? ... and aren't these vintage cars?
Car should have been set up to be a little more loose and the suspension slightly softer. Minor mistakes from the driver but that d bag towards the end was not paying attention!!
Beautiful car, an E30 M3 was the first car I raced, this is why I don't do many track days, because drivers like him and the one he hit. He seems to have the hang of the dog-leg getrag gearbox (which takes practice) but can't be bothered to heel & toe on the downshifts. What a shame a real enthusiast doesn't own this car =0( swap ya for my E60?! Great video though Hesvid
Road Runner Ranter Thanks man. E30 M3 is my favorite car, I would love to own one. My yaw dropped when I saw this come in all crocked!
So bad
Clutch ist Not for every Body
go and Drive your Fiat Punto
you made a pass were you had spun out before and caused a wreck with two very nice cars.
Lekker bil :) elsker utvekslingen og hvordan bilen låten når han legger inn et nytt gir, høres ut som at bilen vil bryte lydmuren. Ser det er fryktelig mange som skriver det her om heel/toe for at du ikke skal ta livet av drivverket, men er ikke dette en fullspekka racer da? Skal vel litt mer til enn en litt urutinert fører for å totalrasere alt som heter drivverk? :/
I'm not a pro driver but come on, at least heel toe in that legendary racing car! My heart litterally broke when I saw how you're hurting the gearbox and the clutch :'( thats not the way you should drive a legend like the e30 m3, apart from that the car is beautiful and the sound is amazing, I really love this car!
I'm actually hurting a little inside ;/
transmission shock.....poor car
How can you drive a beautiful machine like that and not know how to heel and toe?
Because you dont need too. and more often it harms more then helps.
Rohki Heel-toe is essential for driving a car with a manual transmission quickly and smoothly, I guarantee you he wouldn't have spun out if he'd rev matched the downshift at 3:30. Please explain to me how it is harmful? When done correctly it should put no stress on the drivetrain at all, which is much better than downshifting without rev-matching and relying on the clutch and synchros to do all the work, that's horrible for the car, not to mention dangerous, as shown by that spin.
William Snitselaar He spun out because he shocked the transmission by not heal-toeing/matching the revs.
This is the driver writing: this was only a slow test run and far from full speed. And this was the first 5 laps ever in this car. You don`t know it all by watching a video...
People saying he spun because of the downshifting? Am I the only one that saw the other car come across and hit his front end? he was already in gear with the clutch up before 'he spun'. and for people saying he's a bad driver, novice drivers are novice drivers. All start somewhere.
You can see the downshift at 3:30 he spins out of control because lack of revcontrol.
Oh, wow. Yh I didn't see that. Was tabbed out of the website for a minute n must've missed it. I thought people were talking about the bump at the end lol. No wonder the comments didn't make sense to me lol. Great video btw
8:20 in front white car driver cant belive what BMW so fast)) hope damage is small
Historic and rebuilt Group A E30 regularly take part in Hillclimbs. Clearly a decent car.
Internet pro racers claiming they would go twice as fast with their seamless heel-toe triple clutch downturboshifts.
downshifting like he's driving to supermarket
Never lift!!
this is a great video! you can feel the speed
8:19 I think its not your favorite corner xD
sounding quite noobish, but at around 0:14 what are the two circular holes with red rings on the back for? i presume its fuel access for a race tank but I'd love to know!
Dry break fuel system. One is fill, the other is vent. 10 gallons in about 3 seconds.
I just came across this video. Thank you so much for sharing, very very cool !!!
progpaul13 Thanks for watching :)
no heel toe? lol what
Beautiful car Beautiful engine. Quick question- Why do you not rev match the downshifts? It is very VERY hard on the trans and entire drivetrain. Equally as important it disrupts the weight distribution on the car during corner entry. Was the car badly damaged from the incident?
Guys, I'm struggling to believe this is an original Group A, hear me out. 1) It's had a ground up restore for sure but why hasn't it been finished in it's original colours?! (around 50% more valuable as an asset). 2) All BMW 3 stripe wearing Group A cars had the door handles covered by the light blue but these are black. There were also a lot more then 3 2.3's built. 3) If it was a DTM 2.3 car then why hasn't it got Ravaglia/Poele stickers, if it was an ETCC 2.3 why hasn't it got Vogt. 4) The first official race for any Group A E30 was March 1987.....first official rally Apr'87......all their cars were factory backed.......me thinks this is a brand new replica worth £45K tops.......originals are worth £125k+.......discuss?! Not shooting anyone down, just an M car enthusiast and fellow petrolhead
Road Runner Ranter I see you know your history :) I'm 99% sure this is a Group A car. I talked to the owner and he bought it from a racing team in Sweden (Restored). I'm pretty sure this is one of the old "Team Dynamics cars". And the restore was done in other colors and theme.
***** Thanks! Funnily enough I've consulted for Team Dynamics when they were based near Prodrive, great guys. In '86 they were called VLR (Vic Lee Racing) and renamed as Team Dynamics after Vic Lee found his way into a jail cell! Doh! Matt Neal drove an ex Will Hoy E30 in 1992 entered under 'Rimstock Racing' but an E30 was never officially entered under 'Team Dynamics' as they were founded in 1993 and by then the E30 had made way for their 318is. I'd love to get to the bottom of this but I'd need chassis numbers and quite frankly it's not my car so.......a boy can dream. I could get a replica built for £40K....wanna go halves?!
Replica built on what donor car?
Awsome cars, shame they always got smashed off the RS500 Cosworth
Adam Smith - Actually Adam the reason for Brough out RS500 was that for the 1st three years of World touring cars and DTM the M3 smashed everything
With the thumbnail, I thought it was a sim/videogame because it was so pristine :)
In my opinion, that's a perfect and pure machine...!
Excellent little car. Giant killer in its day. Great in-car video too thanks. I very much enjoyed it.
This is surprisingly quiet for a full-blown racecar.
This a super fast BMW. Thanks for sharing...
My father dream car
no heel toe?
Not a pro driver - spun on downshift because not maching revs.
Not saying I'd done better, just something I noticed. :)
what a car :)
amen!
Proper old school fast!
Get someone who knows how to heal-toe, maybe.
built by Prodrive
Rev matching.....
All gear no idea
Love that style of M3
Nice❤️❤️❤️