Group theory 14: Sylow theorems

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  • @nickhills428
    @nickhills428 4 года назад +20

    I am commenting just in case anyone else has found bits of this proof difficult. I was fine until 13:00...
    At that point, we were considering the action of S on the set of p-Sylow subgroups by conjugation, the orbits of which are the singleton set {S} or sets size divisible by p. The conclusion was then that the number of conjugates of S (i.e. by a general element of G) was then 1 mod p. This is obvious but I found it difficult (as did the comment above) so:
    The point is that the number of conjugates of S is just precisely a union of the orbits of the action of S. This union obviously includes the singleton set.
    Then assuming S, T non-conjugate p-Sylow subgroups, we have 2 actions on the set of all p-Sylow subgroups: by S or by T.
    Again, conjugates of S are just unions of the orbits which include the singleton under the first action but don't (by assumption about T) under the second. Hence 0=1 mod p.
    For the final part, we have picked a maximal subgroup order p^{a} not contained in a p-Sylow subgroup. The normaliser of X, N(X), has index divisible by p since otherwise N(X) would have a p-Sylow subgroup S (of order p^{n}) and the same size argument as before would give X contained in S.
    Hence we have the number of conjugates of X is divisible by p (since this is precisely the index of N(X) in G).
    If Y is another subgroup (not equal to X) of order p^{a}, X cannot normalise Y since we obtain the subgroup XY of order p^{k}, k>a not contained in a p-Sylow subgroup. This is where we use the maximality of X which I couldn't immediately see.

    • @ChairPencil
      @ChairPencil 3 года назад +2

      Why is the number of conjugates of S equal to the sum of the size of the orbits of S acting by conjugation on the Sylow-subgroups

    • @xxMADxxSCIENTISTxx
      @xxMADxxSCIENTISTxx 3 года назад +1

      What a glorious response, thanks a lot for the elaboration! :)

    • @tadaiyoradima
      @tadaiyoradima Год назад

      Thanks a lot for taking the time out to write out such a detailed explanation.

  • @manassrivastava1048
    @manassrivastava1048 4 года назад +11

    I am a big fan of yours Sir. I attended summer school at Berkley in 2018, took algebra class with Prof. Paulin. I came on the 9th floor to see you, saw your name outside your office, one of the most overwhelming feelings. I am very much interested in category theory and monster groups too! I am an undergrad in India planning to apply for graduate studies.

  • @larryli2613
    @larryli2613 2 года назад +4

    at 8:15, a small typo, G/ should be G/

  • @yenanwang7019
    @yenanwang7019 3 года назад +2

    At 18:18, I was wondering if you mean D_8 in the example.

    • @meesdevries457
      @meesdevries457 3 года назад +3

      There are two conventions for naming Dihedral groups. You are using the convention where D_n has n elements; the video uses the convention where D_n is the symmetry group of the n-gon.

    • @yenanwang7019
      @yenanwang7019 3 года назад

      @@meesdevries457 I see. Thank you. The only thing is in the Dihedral Group Section, it seems to me that Professor Borcherds was using the number of elements conventison.

    • @richarde.borcherds7998
      @richarde.borcherds7998  3 года назад +9

      Yes, this was a misprint for D_8

    • @yenanwang7019
      @yenanwang7019 3 года назад +2

      @@richarde.borcherds7998 Thank you for the clarification!

  • @miglastoiglas
    @miglastoiglas 3 года назад +2

    I don't think I followed some parts of the proofs. Could you tell me from which source they come from?

    • @richarde.borcherds7998
      @richarde.borcherds7998  3 года назад +7

      The book "algebra" by Lang contains proofs of most results in these lectures.

    • @JaspreetSingh-zp2nm
      @JaspreetSingh-zp2nm 3 года назад

      In Artin proofs look easy, but has some foundation before arriving at actual proof

  • @aakashparikh8538
    @aakashparikh8538 4 года назад

    Around the 13 minute mark, your proof of the second part of sylow's theorem doesn't make sense to me. You consider the action of S on Q, the set of p-subgroups, and argue that the orbits of Q under this action are either S itself (size 1) or must have size divisible by p (you write p^k but only show, state, and use that these other orbits have size divisible by p). Sure, now you have shown that the number of such p groups, a.k.a the size of Q, is 1 mod p. But then you start saying that this means that S has 1 mod p conjugate p groups-- this doesn't follow unless I am missing something. Where have you shown conjugacy of S to any other group?

    • @mathstrek
      @mathstrek 4 года назад +3

      The reasoning is similar. You let Q' be the set of all conjugates of S and let S act on this set Q'. Then again, there is a singleton orbit {S} and all other orbits have size divisible by p.

    • @stephenhu2000
      @stephenhu2000 2 года назад

      Yo what's up Aakash lmao