This video is a little misleading. As a high school teacher my budget is tight but I was able to acquire a brand new HAAS mini mill. This video makes it seem like the tool rack, table, and tool vise come with the machine but in reality it is part of a convenient package that is around $1000.00.
4:09 Bob Draper there, pointing out a long-term design issue with the Minimill coolant sump: "You get some little floaty Aluminum chips"... That's an understatement! In an integral sump layout, chips building up in there is not only detrimental to the longevity of the coolant but a time consuming and knuckle skinning nightmare for the poor sod who has to keep cleaning it all out through the tiny access ports. The ingress of large chips is mainly down to the 20mm slots in either side that are meant to allow the coolant to return to the sump if the main enclosure's mesh gets blocked, but are in the exact place all the chips wash down either side so they just pour into the sump there. Those slots need to be "hooded" from the top so that coolant can run up to them but chips wash over them. Fundamental design oversight considering how it affects the end user and how easy it would be to improve it. Other than that best machine this size I've ever used.
A nice machine, I owned them and run them for others. But, the simplest yet most glaring mistake associated with this machine is the X axis home position with the table traveling all the way to the left. So, if you have a nice part in a vise or a taller setup, your parts can move under or thru the tools in the carousel and that's when the problems start. Please, move X axis home to the other side. "Thanks ahead of time"
Nerdly - If you took a Super Minimill, chose a few options and then added a side mount tool changer on top of that, the machine price was up to a VF-2 level price. It just didn't make sense for most people. At that point, it makes more sense to go with a VF level machine. Haas Automation
I know....my super mini mill 2 is going to be delivered next week......not every shop has enough space or electrical power to power a VF-1 which requires nearly twice as much current......70amps vs the SM2's 40amps requirement. I was disappointed when after placing my order i found out that my machine has an umbrella changer......there are very few videos online that cover the Mini mills in depth.....which by the way, i intend to remedy. When searching online I saw DCTTeachers SM had a side mount changer, and incorrectly assumed mine would as well. Oh well, live and learn :)
@@joepublic6256 there was no option to upgrade.......i had only saw one SM ever....so i assumed that "carousel" meant side mount carousel......I was a total newb and didnt know that companies don't use the word "umbrella" when referring to carousel tool changers.... :) ha ha......all good though....machine is making parts daily!
+dragonfly fab Depends on the machine. Please email us at contact@haascnc.com and include your machines' models and years, or contact your local Haas Factory Outlet to check: bit.ly/find_HFO.
+dragonfly fab Those LED fixtures are available from a number of sources most easily accessible (with varying quality control) from amazon. You can get them in 12-32V DC and 120V 240VAC... If you can machine a part in your CNC im sure you can find a way to retrofit a 30$ led fixture.
My only pev with the mills is the chip system. The screw system works but it doesn't do a good job separating the chips and the coolant. On our VF-2 I have to spend an hour or better a week cleaning out the screens and the machine, probably 2 or 3 hours a month cleaning the swarf out of the coolant tank. Also we waste a lot of coolant in the chip that goes into the bin. I know a lot of the other manufactures are using the Con-sep systems, which I have worked with, that are awesome at separating the swarf. Are you guys planning on updating the return at all to help out with this?
I've never had problems with coolant in the chips. Maybe if you are running loads of cast iron you might get wet heavy chips. Normal use with aluminum and steels has been no problem for 10 years +
can this be bought with a 10,000 rpm spindle and still be single phase powered? is the air consumption lowered? this is my biggest complaint about Haas machines. they consume gobs of compressed air. so much that a large industrial size compressor is needed with a drier.
+Gavin Price Please email us at contact@haascnc.com and include your machine serial number. We'd be happy to look into this more and hopefully offer a solution.
Dean Bricker - Yes it is on most cases. If your machine is many years old it may be a problem, but generally speaking the answer is yes. - Haas Automation
I tried to buy the office mill in the UK around 7 or 8 years ago, they said we offer 2 days training, I said to them I do not know yet how to use a CNC so I am happy to start from the begining and actually pay you for two weeks of training, they were Not Interested. If HAAS is reading this , you offer ZERO support for people like myself who want to buy the office mill for our business because there is ZERO training available, you want us to buy blind folded and know everything before we make a purchase. The training is not available, at least in the UK. What a shame you don't care otherwise I would have purchased one of these machines from you.
lol the nozzle ring is way to close, it really needs to be back huuummmm let me think ... maybe around where the programable coolant nozzle is. everyone ends up with flexible extensions loc-line
+motel29 The doors themselves are powder coated steel and the door windows are "safety glass." The great thing about the safety glass is that it stays clear over time and doesn't get hazy from chip impacts.
+motel29 "safety glass" is most likely referring to tempered glass. I doubt it would be laminated glass for any reason, which leaves tempered as the viable alternative.
the first wrong thing you did is the door moved to the side..the worst thing you did..the door should be in the center of the spindle..The second thing the controller is slower than one crawl..software is slow and very late..and then you say that you improved the machine? you ruined all the best on it ... go back to the design of the 2008 mini mill..it's the formula versus this new mini mill ..
For a company that got it's name with rotaries before even making a CNC mill......, to NOT offer a 4th/5th axis rotary that fits the OM2-a, MiniMill, SuperMini, NEW minimill, DT, TM 1, 2, AND 3, AND the DM is ridiculous! The replacement for the TR-110 (TRT-100) is too heavy and large to fit any of these, but with smaller platter? WHY!!!??
+3d-dental and.....so what is the plan? Just forget people with 5-axis needs? Fine. We all go German then. BYE! HAAS Sucks Bologna at continuous 5-axis anyways. My wrist watch has more processing power than your turd CNC controller. You know it's the truth! lol
I´m sorry, but the design is not really smart. Please do me a favor and try to machine a part from -X side. The door is positioned way to far right. I dont understand how a product makes it´s way from scratch without anybody realising such a major mistake.
Got our Mini Mill in 2008. Best machine I've ever bought!
This video is a little misleading. As a high school teacher my budget is tight but I was able to acquire a brand new HAAS mini mill. This video makes it seem like the tool rack, table, and tool vise come with the machine but in reality it is part of a convenient package that is around $1000.00.
how much did it cost you? Around 30k right?
@@ProDesigneHd I'm also wondering what the realistic cost would be.
@@ProDesigneHd Did you ever find out the price on the Haas Mini Mill?
@@phantomsurvivor6169 no idea xD
How about some demo cutting videos? Take it to the max!
Cute little VF-0,5 haha, looks like some great additions guys!
This is by far the most popular used CNC vertical machining center in the market we have found for sure.
4:09 Bob Draper there, pointing out a long-term design issue with the Minimill coolant sump: "You get some little floaty Aluminum chips"... That's an understatement!
In an integral sump layout, chips building up in there is not only detrimental to the longevity of the coolant but a time consuming and knuckle skinning nightmare for the poor sod who has to keep cleaning it all out through the tiny access ports.
The ingress of large chips is mainly down to the 20mm slots in either side that are meant to allow the coolant to return to the sump if the main enclosure's mesh gets blocked, but are in the exact place all the chips wash down either side so they just pour into the sump there.
Those slots need to be "hooded" from the top so that coolant can run up to them but chips wash over them. Fundamental design oversight considering how it affects the end user and how easy it would be to improve it.
Other than that best machine this size I've ever used.
One day..... I'll have my own one.
So how much just as shown? What is the box X-Y-Z??
With all the amazing shit you are selling , I can't find a single sales that can pick up a phone call at 3:40PM Friday Today.
A nice machine, I owned them and run them for others. But, the simplest yet most glaring mistake associated with this machine is the X axis home position with the table traveling all the way to the left. So, if you have a nice part in a vise or a taller setup, your parts can move under or thru the tools in the carousel and that's when the problems start. Please, move X axis home to the other side. "Thanks ahead of time"
you should have checked the z travel before you bought the machine.
@@joepublic6256 z travel is bigger than the height at which the tool revolver is,the spindle goes higher than the tool revolver
We like to see this sealing here in Brazil.
Why'd you get rid of side mount tool changer?
Nerdly - If you took a Super Minimill, chose a few options and then added a side mount tool changer on top of that, the machine price was up to a VF-2 level price. It just didn't make sense for most people. At that point, it makes more sense to go with a VF level machine. Haas Automation
I know....my super mini mill 2 is going to be delivered next week......not every shop has enough space or electrical power to power a VF-1 which requires nearly twice as much current......70amps vs the SM2's 40amps requirement.
I was disappointed when after placing my order i found out that my machine has an umbrella changer......there are very few videos online that cover the Mini mills in depth.....which by the way, i intend to remedy. When searching online I saw DCTTeachers SM had a side mount changer, and incorrectly assumed mine would as well. Oh well, live and learn :)
@@NerdlyCNC you ordered a machine without knowing what kind of tool changer it had????
@@joepublic6256 there was no option to upgrade.......i had only saw one SM ever....so i assumed that "carousel" meant side mount carousel......I was a total newb and didnt know that companies don't use the word "umbrella" when referring to carousel tool changers.... :)
ha ha......all good though....machine is making parts daily!
I didn't know James Woods worked for Haas
The other guy Nate Diaz seems to work there aswell.
Man love that big LED light! Can I retro fit my three other machines?
+dragonfly fab Depends on the machine. Please email us at contact@haascnc.com and include your machines' models and years, or contact your local Haas Factory Outlet to check: bit.ly/find_HFO.
+dragonfly fab Those LED fixtures are available from a number of sources most easily accessible (with varying quality control) from amazon. You can get them in 12-32V DC and 120V 240VAC... If you can machine a part in your CNC im sure you can find a way to retrofit a 30$ led fixture.
My only pev with the mills is the chip system. The screw system works but it doesn't do a good job separating the chips and the coolant. On our VF-2 I have to spend an hour or better a week cleaning out the screens and the machine, probably 2 or 3 hours a month cleaning the swarf out of the coolant tank. Also we waste a lot of coolant in the chip that goes into the bin. I know a lot of the other manufactures are using the Con-sep systems, which I have worked with, that are awesome at separating the swarf. Are you guys planning on updating the return at all to help out with this?
Jason Everts ..... don't forget that after awhile the constant pushing of chips wears a hole in the funnel and then starts leaking on the floor.
I've never had problems with coolant in the chips. Maybe if you are running loads of cast iron you might get wet heavy chips. Normal use with aluminum and steels has been no problem for 10 years +
Maan, Bryan is intense. He could stare down a mountain to a pile of gravel!
I don't like the new door off set but so much better then the old
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what about electricity? 220 1 phase?
how much accuracy it can? i want one for my projects.
0.001mm
Very nice
can this be bought with a 10,000 rpm spindle and still be single phase powered?
is the air consumption lowered? this is my biggest complaint about Haas machines. they consume gobs of compressed air. so much that a large industrial size compressor is needed with a drier.
soggy bottom boys it is pretty small compared to other CNC mills out there especially if you are comparing it to the DMU 210 P-5 😂
What about the Tool changer plate that bends and needs replacing so many times a year
+Gavin Price Please email us at contact@haascnc.com and include your machine serial number. We'd be happy to look into this more and hopefully offer a solution.
I purchased my 1st Haas machine in 2006 and never damaged a tool changer plate even once. 11 years, later.....still going. All day, every day.
operator error
Is TSC a field installable option?
Dean Bricker - Yes it is on most cases. If your machine is many years old it may be a problem, but generally speaking the answer is yes. - Haas Automation
I tried to buy the office mill in the UK around 7 or 8 years ago, they said we offer 2 days training, I said to them I do not know yet how to use a CNC so I am happy to start from the begining and actually pay you for two weeks of training, they were Not Interested.
If HAAS is reading this , you offer ZERO support for people like myself who want to buy the office mill for our business because there is ZERO training available, you want us to buy blind folded and know everything before we make a purchase.
The training is not available, at least in the UK. What a shame you don't care otherwise I would have purchased one of these machines from you.
videos literally everywhere for training, and haas offers certification on its website for a place to start.
lol the nozzle ring is way to close, it really needs to be back huuummmm let me think ... maybe around where the programable coolant nozzle is. everyone ends up with flexible extensions loc-line
Ok, I'm gonna be goofy here for a second but I thought the doors were "lexan"?
+motel29 The doors themselves are powder coated steel and the door windows are "safety glass." The great thing about the safety glass is that it stays clear over time and doesn't get hazy from chip impacts.
+motel29 "safety glass" is most likely referring to tempered glass.
I doubt it would be laminated glass for any reason, which leaves tempered as the viable alternative.
It is actually laminated. There are two layers of tempered glass laminated together to help mitigate problems from impacts.
discrete nut scratch at 6:41
handshake warm up hand dry
Followed it up with a handshake...LOL
Does it have and auto tool changer option why not have some speed in a small mill or is their and option to get a 15 or 10 tool changer in their.
wow.
my boss would like to buy haas cnc machine..more than 3..
Hi Mar Jon. Your local Haas Factory Outlet will be able to help you out - you can find their info here: www.haascnc.com/finddealer.asp
any Haas dealers here in malaysia or nearby corresponding countries?
+Alex Steel We do have a Haas Factory Outlet in Malaysia. Please contact them via email (sales@haasmalaysia.com) or phone (03-5569 7877).
Thanks for the info.
Haas Automation, Inc. Where can i find list of international dealers. I'm looking for one in Dubai. UAE.
Um , it seems that haas and I have to very different definitions of mini 😳😳 those machines are more like the size of a robodrill . Geez 🙄
And don't forget! MADE IN USA.
There is nothing mini about this mill.
That’s all relative.
the first wrong thing you did is the door moved to the side..the worst thing you did..the door should be in the center of the spindle..The second thing the controller is slower than one crawl..software is slow and very late..and then you say that you improved the machine? you ruined all the best on it ... go back to the design of the 2008 mini mill..it's the formula versus this new mini mill ..
For a company that got it's name with rotaries before even making a CNC mill......, to NOT offer a 4th/5th axis rotary that fits the OM2-a, MiniMill, SuperMini, NEW minimill, DT, TM 1, 2, AND 3, AND the DM is ridiculous! The replacement for the TR-110 (TRT-100) is too heavy and large to fit any of these, but with smaller platter? WHY!!!??
+3d-dental and.....so what is the plan? Just forget people with 5-axis needs? Fine. We all go German then. BYE! HAAS Sucks Bologna at continuous 5-axis anyways. My wrist watch has more processing power than your turd CNC controller. You know it's the truth! lol
Metal Dawg that's right!
@@3d-dental797 did you go german? what did you get? im really interested
what i hear is overpriced and designed/produced to fail.
Another mouth that has no idea what he is talking about.
Our mini mill 2 literally paid for itself in 3 months and still runs hard 60 hours a week no problems
Well, clean out your ears.
Must be the owner of a Tormach.
I´m sorry, but the design is not really smart. Please do me a favor and try to machine a part from -X side. The door is positioned way to far right. I dont understand how a product makes it´s way from scratch without anybody realising such a major mistake.