Lady Jane's story is one that broke my heart because she was only guilty by association and bloodline. She never did anything that warrant such a death so young. She should be talked about more because she was literally a pawn that was controlled by men with evil intentions.
@@jennifermoriarty2188 I bet she realized she'd be killed if she tried to beg off of it, from any number of people. Do you really think she could surrender and survive Mary Tudor, who burned far more ppl than her father?
When Henry died he made it an act of parliament that the line of succession was Edward, Mary, and then Elizabeth. So by law Jane Grey wasn't supposed to be Queen. Jane Grey knew what she was doing.
@@anthonywarren9885 The line if succession: Edward, Mary, Elizabeth, Frances (Duchess of Suffolk/daughter of Henry's sister Mary), Lady Jane The idea of putting Jane on the throne? The Duke of Northumberland. Edward was supposed to be ruling under a regency council, as per Henry VIII's will. This will set out the succession; it was Northumberland's idea to change it. Mary he disliked because she was a Catholic; Elizabeth was strong-willed enough that she would not be ruled by him. Frances was persuaded to renounce her rights in Jane's favor. I do not think Jane wanted any part of the plan. In that time, it was the father who arranged the marriage of his daughter; she was just expected to do as her father wanted.
Jane was a child with narcissists for parents. They wanted power and their children paid the ultimate price. A lesson for all parents who use their children to manipulate in any society.
When Henry died he made it an act of parliament that the line of succession was Edward, Mary, and then Elizabeth. So by law Jane Grey wasn't supposed to be Queen.
@@anthonywarren9885 Yes. But the king gets to do what HE wants. Henry VIII doesn’t get to decide what happens after he dies, for the next hundred years, even though isn’t that what all kings/dads want? Now, if Lady Janes’ father in law hadn’t had been so greedy, and so obviously jockeyed his son to be the king, the plot may have possibly worked. And according to Henry VIII, she would have been next, after her mother’s line. (After Mary, Elizabeth, males heir, blah).
No I blame it on generations before him. Because had Richard not killed the princes in the tower AKA Elizabeth Woodvilles sons they Would have become kings not Henry the 8th. I would even go as far is to blame it on Henry VII because he was a useless king and that's why The war of the roses happen
How is that any different from Jack the Ripper or any serial killer in this age? We immortalize the wrong people. Instead of the killers getting the attention, it should go to the ones responsible for ending thier terror enduced reign.
@@ES-nq8uu Yes I see your point,,,sadly,except through conjecture,Jack the Ripper was never identified. Nor was he caught,,,right? He simply seemed to Stop Killing
Monday morning quarterbacking, as we say in the States. They were a product of their times and beliefs. That's history. Hindsight is 20/20, as we should know.
Kind Henry VIII married two Anne's. Anne Boleyn who was beheaded, and later, he married Anne of Cleves, a German aristocratic lady. As soon as the king saw her, he disliked her, and she most likely disliked him as well. Knowing what happened to his first Anne, she happily agreed to have the marriage annulled 7 months later, and she was given the title, "The Kings' beloved sister". And she lived a happy life for that time in her own home she was given, ate with the royal family, and the king's children loved her. She died shortly after Mary's coronation. She was known by all, including her servants, as kind and generous.
Anne of Cleves and Anne Boleyn aren't their real names: Catherine of Aragon = Catalina de Aragón (spanish) Anne Boleyn = Anne de Bóléyn (french, spoken: Anne de Bulö) Anne of Cleves = Anna von Kleve (german)
@@antheiheiant I don't think that English speaking people know how to pronounce "ö". It's not in their alphabet. Btw, it was custom for Royal brides to change their names after their marriage, if they went to a foreign country. But I also like to think of them as Catalina and Anna :)
My gosh I remember to have found a source that explains that her mother was especially abusive to her: she would always brutally beat her for the slightest disagreements. When Jane openly refused to be married, it's said that both her parents attacked her. Horrible...
French were the same way. So was Austria. Marie was very common so they always went by Maria and then their middle name (Marie Antoinette, Marie Therese)
As a fan of alternate history, I wonder what kind of queen Jane would have been. She was already showing herself to be no docile pushover, but didn't have time to develop herself. Would her reign be similar to that of Elizabeth?
Jane was intellectually brilliant but a fervent protestant. I doubt that her reign would have been as - relatively - tolerant in religious matters as Elizabeth's turned out to be.
@@conillet She did push for many social reforms for the common people and women, including education. I highly doubt she would have been as unmerciful as you think.
@@BeccasaurousRex270 Quite a few reforms that benefited the poor and middle classes, including education of both girls and boys, some basic labor laws, etc, etc, etc. Why don't you look it up?
Lady Jane Grey's story is quite inspiring and this documentary really brought it to life! I love that she made her husband Guilford a duke and not a king. "this queen don't need a king."
Normally they do not make the husband the king because it would mean that he is the ruler of the nation and their descendants would take his name/titles/house. The queen is the legitimate heir and ruler in her own right. The husband could only be a prince at most or a duke. Just like how husbands of royal princesses would not stand to be in line for the throne either.
That's kinda understandable too becausz Guildford didn't have direct blood relation to the royal family, unlike Jane. She was the fair successor to the throne, aside from Mary and Elizabeth since they were both kept away from the ruling position for a while.
In the show they say this decision may have made her seem more independent, and not the mindless puppet, therefore making her seem more guilty when the scheme went bust. However, I think she was doomed either way. From her point of view she knew her side could loose the struggle. If she had given him a crown as a king, this also could be used as against her. Because her opponents could then say she was guilty of complete acquiescence. Also she personally may have feared that her father-in-law poisoned the previous teenage head-of-state. By not allowing that man’s son to be king outright, she may have felt she was accomplishing a little bit of self perseverance. It’s impossible to know any of it really, on top of the fact that her parents also were documented as very physically abusive and manipulating. So “her decision” may have even been the will of her psychotic father.
LOL LOL LOL I laughed so hard because the duke thought his son would be king. Only to have the table turned and Jane said no for her husband to be king he can be a duke lol. You go Jane.
Both Lady Jane Grey and her husband Guilford Dudley are both my relatives. I haven't watched the whole video yet. I believe she was a pawn and so was her husband. I agree that she should have the right to say no to her husband becoming king.
@Wisewoe Tiswell different times different people. The whole country is in chaos and it's very likely that the queen would die in child labour. Also how many male king were thrown off the throne? she was weak as a queen that was the reason why she died.
@@Benjamin-zr4yw oh my god do you realize the whole thing only took place because all the men died in the first place? 'It's not sexism, its women dying in childbirth' Is that why they ignored like 10 woman heirs, some of which already went through childbirth? lmao
@@danastumpe8992 oh i see you can't read aswell. Please read my comment again and tell me at which point your brain couldn't process the information anymore.
I have no problem accepting Jane Grey as a strong individual, but I really disagree with that guy's explanation "Well her cousins were headstrong, so she can't have been demure!" Nonsense, people don't necessarily have the same character, only because they are related!
I don't think he necessarily meant it's to do with their genetic relation, but rather the similar circumstances and times they were brought up in. All were educated, all were exposed to Tudor inequalities, all were exposed to some strong women defying those inequalities succesfully. I think that's his argument.
I don't know how strong she really is. Maybe in limited places where she could assert something but she's been beat down much of her life and never got to control much. She was told who to marry, she was told to be queen, etc. I think she realized she had to go thru with it to survive, if she was to survive.
@ Garth St. Claire Yes, I absolutely agree with everything you say in your comment! What a rediculous idea to assume family relations are in fact, even slightly similar to one another in opinions, thoughts, compassion and definitely religious alliance.
anna zaman most men feel superior and are hateful ppl as well as selfish. Fk em . Notice I said most men and not all so I don’t want to hear any shit .
Louise Reeves This happened in the 1550s and you’re saying that most men today are like that? Wow Look, there are assholes everywhere, I’ll give you that. But some women are too. To say that “most” of 3.5 billion people are hateful, and to say “f em” shows that your “opinion” is based on prejudice and nothing else.
I can never forget Lady Jane Grey. As a kid, I have read Nine Days a Queen, as well as the story of Bloody Mary, and I have the story of the latter's younger sibling. Queen Elizabeth. :)
@@bulzlukay5220 no, this mary was the daughter of king henry. The other mary was the daughter of Margaret Henry's sister. Also the other sister of Henry is called Mary. Very confusing
Ever since seeing Helena Bonham-Carter play the tragic queen, Jane Grey's story has intrigued me immensely. She was thrust into a monumental and dangerous position she neither aspired to or wanted. Her devotion to God and adherence to royal rights of inheritance I admire. Had it not been for Edward Seymour and her father, Jane would not have been forced to take on the role of queen, even though she seemed to come into her own as one. Her reign was as close to a real "Game of Thrones" scenario as History could get.
@@mariamaeperalta I question that the actress is Helena Bonham Carter...I think it is a different person. Whoever she is, you are so right, she is beautiful & did a good job.
@@elizabethalli1271, I'm pretty sure the actress who played her in "Lady Jane" was Helena Bonham Carter. Remember she was a lot younger then (as were we all!)
@@alicewilloughby4318 You are correct and not - in the 1986 movie "Lady Jane" Helena Bonham Carter played her, but this is a different movie: www.imdb.com/title/tt7812452/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
@@sontayatoemsook1266 Mary turned into a cruel tyrant thanks to Henry’s paternal negligence, treatment of her mother, and defiance of the pope’s directives. When Henry established the Church of England declaring himself as its ruler he served her with the ultimate slap in the face. In short, Henry drove Mary crazy.
you guys make the best historical videos i have ever seen. narration is phenomenal and the background music is absolutely perfect, it sets the stage without drowning out any of the narration. the videos are clear and steady. i love this channel
The Tudor men had a gene that produced an immune reaction in pregnant women who didn't have it. It generally meant miscarriages after the first child, unless the fetus got the recessive gene. The rest is judgmental, ethnocentric SJW's who can't admit that women in history had faults, too. Older documentaries are a little more even handed.
And this is why there should always be a separation of church and state. History has already dictated time and time again that when Religion is in power chaos ensues.
Remy N. It’s the state that creates the chaos and tyranny! The Soviet Union was a secular state and we all know how that ends. I mean this respectfully. You should take a closer look at history because it is malevolent states that will push for separation and will demonize religion. If the peasants are without common values it makes it easier for the state to get away with criminal behavior. Without common values there is no right or wrong and truth is subjective. The West was built on Christianity as its cornerstone and will become something very different without it.
@@OlsenJustin Are you kidding me, right now in America we've got supposed good Christians backing politicians who thinks it's ok to separate families and lock kids in cages where they are subject to both physical and sexual abuse. The Churches in America even though they are not supposed to are often backing politicians that will ensure their morals are put above the needs and wants of a country of ppl that may not even follow there religion. Right now several states are challenging abortion rights of women even though it is federally protected because the church wants everyone to believe life begins at conception even though the bible specifically says life begins at first breath which can very easily be translated to when the baby can survive outside the womb. You see where I'm going with this. Church and State should not mix when you have a country of mixed religions. It doesn't work.
Remy N. As an adult that was locked in a cage and separated from my parents I agree with you that children should be protected. I blame the parents of the children including my own. As far as abortion is concerned it’s the belief on the pro life side that unborn children have rights and that abortion is evil. Not even that the woman that abort their babies but the system itself. Once again look back at where planned parenthood started. It was started by a Uber racist who wanted to cleanse the world of blacks and Jews. It’s no accident that most abortion clinics are in poor black areas. It’s not just Christianity that is important. Most religions teach the same things. Respect your parents. Love the children. Don’t steal. Have faith and don’t turn to the dark side. It’s western religious values that are the foundation for your anger at children being abused. Even if you think religion is evil and silly. Look at Chinese culture. No religion and for years baby girls were murdered because of the one child policy. I agree with you on organized religion. It’s on the fundamentals of western religion where I disagree.
@@OlsenJustin Don't get me wrong, I'm no atheist, I just get riled up when ppl use religion as a weapon or a right to dictate the lives of others, it was never meant to be used it that way. I ALWAYS saw my faith and the bible as a guide book of morals to follow not to inflict my faith in others by force, which is what I saw here in this video. It is what I am seeing in my own country. Religion should not be used to opress others into submission under the guise that they are being liberated. Nor should ppl claim to be good ppl of faith who condone that type of behavior. There is a possibility in any type of organization, religious or not. I'm my country in my opinion religion is being used as a weapon to put bigots in power while stripping the rights of others. But that's just my opinion.
As an American I was not taught anything about English royalty or European. Most Americans learn about the royals through movies. I'm not sure why, but I am suddenly very interested in the intrigues surrounding the British kings and queens. It's all so fascinating! And this is an excellent documentary series to learn from.
Unfortunately this is just one of many examples of an innocent women’s life being ruined by power hungry men Edit: Just want to say that I’m not blind to the fact that women were/are not perfect. However, I did write this comment over a year ago and my opinions and views have changed slightly. I do still believe Lady Jane Greys death would not have happened had she not listened to the men who wanted to keep their religion in power. But she did have her own faults. And Mary played a massive part in Janes death, obviously. I also believe that a lot of women at that time were viewed by these powerful men as tools to be used for their own personal gain. Which is exactly what happened here
i hope instead of giving her praise and calling her a strong woman, people extend more empathy and consideration to the fact that she had just turned 16 and had to literally fight for her life under the pressure of old men telling her what to do (and with no regard to her well being either, they clearly just wanted to reap benefits and power for their own families). nobody deserves to go through what she did, and a "strong woman" doesn't have to be strong just because she endured this much pain. nobody deserves to go through that pain in the first place.
Lady Jane Grey knew exactly what the stakes were and was no innocent teenage bystander!!! She firmly believed in the Protestant cause. The letters she wrote were testiment to this and she wrote them to the end. She died bravely and with great dignity firmly convinced of her cause. She was both an example and a warning for Elisabeth.
Mary is depicted here with a sly, perhaps conniving smirk. I don't really think that works. I'd picture her more as righteous, angry certainty and determination - quite as I would picture Jane.
is it just me, or did anyone else notice the actor playing Northumberland looks like Vladamir Lenin? I wonder if he's played him in any Russian revolution documentaries.
I honestly would love to see a documentary about her sister, Lady Katherine Grey... There's honestly not much at all about her but her story is even more heartbreaking thanks to Elizabeth I
when i was a young boy, i saw a portrait on the cyber by inadvertently. at that moment i was like: "oh my, she’s looks like an angel, who is she?" however, when i found out what happened about her final destiny, my tears were coming. the achievement of the first British queen would be the weapon that killed her, no one can imagine.
@@Grenadier311 There are many nations actually. Just in Europe people are ignorant about other civiliations. I love history and I enjoy these series a lot. I read a lot of european literature, including historic romances. I find history of every country very interesting and I can say I know history of europe quite well. This gave me possibility to make comparisons and conclusions of my own. And I'm proud to say, I come from one of the oldest christian country. We never had inquisition, Our church was never so brutal and dark minded as in Europe, we have never burnt and mordered people beacuse of the religous reasons. One royal dynasty ruled for more then thousand years. Of coarse there were political scandals and brutality, but not in a such huge level as in Europe. Noblewoman were getting the same education as noblemen. Woman were not used or manipulated as in Europe or tudor era England. We had woman crowned as a king in 12th century and she was ruling king not the puppet. p.s. Please don't think that I m trying to offend your country, I do respect brittish culture and people enormously just when I think about history, I'd rather be a part of unknown little country.
There time was very different than now. When I watch things about powerful women I realize that my English and Scottish ancestors were hardy and helped make me who I am.
On the upside, her vile father and father in law lost their lives, too. Queen Mary was actually reluctant to have Jane killed, and she didn't until after her slimy relatives tried to use Jane as the inspiration for Wyatt's rebellion in 1554. She knew they were using Jane, but believed that as long as Jane lived, she would be the rallying point of future rebellions.
The humanity during that time was vicious and violent. Father’s were bullies towards their daughters and forced her brutally towards submission. Then she is hunted down and killed for becoming Queen instead of Mary.
@@ladyv5655 There was also the embassy from Spain, who was there on Philip's behalf. They basically informed Mary that the marriage was on hold till any usurpers were dealt with.
elizabeth and mary were named bastards for a large chunk of their lives so they didnt always have the best education. if you compaire janes education at 15 with marys at 15 and elizabeths at 15, janes education was much more advanced
I was surprised they never mentioned that for a couple years Jane lived with the Seymour’s (Katherine Parr and Thomas Seymour) at the same time when Elizabeth was there. And they did share a classroom and tutors. Jane remained in the household after Katherine removed Elizabeth from her house and ordered her to reside elsewhere due to Thomas’ advances.
Yea, I think you are exactly right. Somehow they think it won't happen to them. Even King Henry's wives would push him to the limit and think they could get away with it. @@k_a_y_l_e_e
crystalheart9 these wives never ,ever pushed the king to his limits. One- it wasn’t allowed and secondly he was too much a punk to ever have allowed that. He was notoriously narcissistic and misogynistic to even think about letting a woman push him in any way whatsoever.
The actor portraying Northumberland in this series gives off a creepy Lenin vibe. Poor Lady Jane... she never stood a chance. Who knows if the monarchy would have lasted if she had actually remained sovereign. Alas, we shall never know.
I wonder if the young king had made some public declaration or held an event to show off making Lady Jane his heir so the public knew his plans; would there still have been a battle between Lady Jane and Mary? A lot of the nobles and peasants went to Mary's side because they believed her to be the rightful heir, but if they knew that the young king had changed it, would they have accepted his decree and follow Lady Jane, or would they still fight for Mary to be on the throne?
By'tl Solomon No reason to shave. What for? They weren't going to wear a bikini. Shaving is cultural. Where I'm from, nobody is put off by a woman's hairy legs or full bush or even hairy back or chest. Ironically though underarms have to be hairless.
It sounds to me like king Edward was poisoned. His illness was sudden and very severe. I'm guessing the duke poisoned him because he thought he would make HIS son king... Even though he knew someone else would acquire the throne after king Edward, I believe he intended to keep poisoning the king (or queen) until the role of king landed on his son. I could be wrong, but its just a thought I had. **shrugs**
Edward died of either tuberculosis or pneumonia. He had the measles the previous year and it is believed to have weakened his immune system enough that some kind of chronic infection began to plague his lungs. His symptoms were pretty well chronicled.
I believe his uncles choice of poison was arsonic. They were trying to keep him weak and under their control while their brother controlled his sister and his fathers widow.
@@adbreon His symptoms were not those of either tuberculosis or pneumonia. The best matches to date are poisoning or a particular infection of the lungs.
If I remember correctly, Henry the seventh had another son. Arthur. The one who died young, who originally married Catherine of Aragon. Did she forget about him?
THIS!!! I literally was just scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else noticed that Arthur isn't there...unless she's only counting them as "surviving" in which case he did not, but still. It drove me crazy for a bit haha.
It's very sad what happened to Lady Jane Grey. She didn't deserve to be condemned to death. I know that Edward reluctantly wrote in his will that Jane Grey is the one to have the Throne of England. But Jane Grey had no desire to become the Queen. As for Mary, she had no right to rebel and to put an end to Jane's life. Mary was the one who committed high treason. She even knew that Edward chose Jane to become the Queen. Not her. Both Mary and Jane's father are to be blamed greatly. I blame Jane's father because he abused Jane and he didn't take responsibility to protect her from her enemies. He even underestimated Mary's forces, and that's what got both Jane and himself killed. The reason I despise Mary it's because she killed Jane Grey. It's also because she became power hungry with an agenda to become a tyrant Queen against the Protestants.
She technically had more of a right to the throne than Jane Grey did. Henry 8th named her in the succession behind Edward and his heirs, of which he had none.
I believe this is the second half, seems to be a recap at the beginning. Watch "England's Forgotten Queen: Lady Jane Grey Imprisoned | History Documentary | Reel Truth History" on RUclips ruclips.net/video/v5vw9vSTMBY/видео.html
Seems a big issue here was that the council underestimated Jane, Mary and the people of England. So many issues could have been prevented if they hadn’t believed themselves the smartest people in the room
These days we're used to kings' names like William, Henry, Stephen, Richard, John, Edward, James, Charles or George - it's pretty interesting to learn there once almost was a king named Guildford ^^ (not meant to spite the Guildfords out there, it's just that to my ears this name doesn't seem to fit to the others)
There was one potential male heir - Henry Stuart, grandson of Margaret Tudor by her second husband Archibald Douglas. However he was around 7, his parents were Catholic and Henry VIII's will had cut out Margaret's descendants. Ironically it was Henry Stuart's son James who would succeed Elizabeth.
I think that the British can be grateful that religious strife had all but ended by the 19th century. While the monarchy is still Anglican, Catholics, Lutherans, and other groups are free to worship as they see fit.
Mary and Elizabeth were restored to the line of succession, but their father never acknowledged that he had made any mistakes with regards to how he treated either of their mothers, though it would make sense that one of his daughters would have had to be illegitimate. Most people, especially Catholics, considered Elizabeth as a bastard, since they did not recognize her mother's marriage to the king as his first wife was still alive at the time.
@@ladyv5655 Correct! I've been reading and researching British history for over 25 years and it is without doubt the most fascinating! And I'm an American. You cannot make this stuff up.
There was only one consequence for being on the losing side in the Tudor era - a horrible death by execution. If you were lucky, and an aristocrat, it meant beheading. If you were a commoner found guilty of treason, it was to be "hung, drawn and quartered", arguably one of the most horrific death sentences in human history.
That movie had the potential to be excellent. Actors were well chosen, but it was also a bit cringy how they depicted a "romance" between Guildford and Jane when there wasn't one. Guildford was recorded in some records as rather abusive to Jane. Some records also suggest that Jane had been in love, prior to her marriage, with Edward Seymour, Earl of Hertford ( the guy who eventually married Katherine, Jane's sister).
Poor kid. When the whole scheme of her father's came crashing down, she was quoted as saying, " Can I go home now"?. Heartbreaking. Regardless of of risk of her being used in a possible future uprising, how Mary could order that childs execution is beyond me. Evil fanatic.
Just finished watching Part 1, and looking forward to completing the series. However, a couple of things. First, I wonder what would have been the result if Mary had been associated with Philip of Spain, either by bethrothal or marriage, at the time of Edward's death. Would that have given more weight to Jane's claim, considering how loath eveyone was to that later on? And second, I don't totally agree with the assertion that Jane was coming into her own in the days following her ascendancy. Voicing her wishes is one thing, but actually standing up to Northumberland, her parents and the other forces around her was another. Nothing in Part 1 gives any evidence that Jane actually DID anything to make this so. There is no evidence that she would not have capitulated to these forces should they have been brought to bear upon her. Maybe yes, maybe no. There is no actual evidance either way. If there is, I would definitely like to know about it.
@@anemxia9393 no, her plan initially was to be queen regnant herself but after the anarchy she agreed with the king to have her son named king steven's heir instead
Question:- Could someone explain to me why Edward’s costume bears the Lion Rampant (00:08:42), please? I’m not entirely sure but could that be a mistake?
People tend to blame Mary and the Catholics for the death of Jane, but it must be reminded that the Dudleys and the Greys sought to disinherit both Mary AND Elizabeth. The Dudleys and Greys were devout evangelical Protestants who looked upon the Anglicans (of which Elizabeth was one) almost with as much disdain as they did the Catholics. I tend to believe that the evangelical Protestants would have been more harsh than any Catholic or Anglican monarch, as they were hardly the masters of tolerance. And while Mary spared the life of Jane and her father the first time, I can guarantee that a hard core pragmatist like Elizabeth would never have given them a second chance.
Those of you arguing that Mary, Elizabeth or Jane were the true queens... all of it depends on what version of history you choose to believe. It all depends on who is telling the stories
Wonder what England would have been like if Jane had been Queen rather than Mary I and Elizabeth I. Would have been interesting. I feel for Jane; she was innocent to this and did not deserve to die the way she did.
Lady Jane's story is one that broke my heart because she was only guilty by association and bloodline. She never did anything that warrant such a death so young. She should be talked about more because she was literally a pawn that was controlled by men with evil intentions.
She refused to listen to Mary's terms...and therefore died. Plus she asserts her power while queen. So no victim of men.....
@@jennifermoriarty2188 I bet she realized she'd be killed if she tried to beg off of it, from any number of people. Do you really think she could surrender and survive Mary Tudor, who burned far more ppl than her father?
Don' t forget her ambitous parents, they had a hand in her demise.
When Henry died he made it an act of parliament that the line of succession was Edward, Mary, and then Elizabeth. So by law Jane Grey wasn't supposed to be Queen. Jane Grey knew what she was doing.
@@anthonywarren9885 The line if succession:
Edward,
Mary,
Elizabeth,
Frances (Duchess of Suffolk/daughter of Henry's sister Mary),
Lady Jane
The idea of putting Jane on the throne? The Duke of Northumberland.
Edward was supposed to be ruling under a regency council, as per Henry VIII's will. This will set out the succession; it was Northumberland's idea to change it. Mary he disliked because she was a Catholic; Elizabeth was strong-willed enough that she would not be ruled by him. Frances was persuaded to renounce her rights in Jane's favor.
I do not think Jane wanted any part of the plan. In that time, it was the father who arranged the marriage of his daughter; she was just expected to do as her father wanted.
I feel really really bad for Jane. None of this was her fault. She shouldn't have been killed. Truly an innocent bystander. Poor thing.
Was there not a song in the 6ties named lady Jane?
Agreed
She asserted her power and took control. No need to feel bad about her..not a victim
@@jennifermoriarty2188 Jane was manipulated by those around her
Agreed. Poor darling, I think she would’ve been much happier left to her books and scholarship.
Jane was a child with narcissists for parents. They wanted power and their children paid the ultimate price. A lesson for all parents who use their children to manipulate in any society.
When Henry died he made it an act of parliament that the line of succession was Edward, Mary, and then Elizabeth. So by law Jane Grey wasn't supposed to be Queen.
Look at Aaron Hernandez his family wanted him to go to nfl he paid the ultimate price
Anthony Warren Does Edward VI’s will legal? Before his died, both Mary and Elizabeth are illegitimate
@@anthonywarren9885 But didn't Edward legally change it. If so then his will would count and not the previous king
@@anthonywarren9885 Yes. But the king gets to do what HE wants. Henry VIII doesn’t get to decide what happens after he dies, for the next hundred years, even though isn’t that what all kings/dads want? Now, if Lady Janes’ father in law hadn’t had been so greedy, and so obviously jockeyed his son to be the king, the plot may have possibly worked. And according to Henry VIII, she would have been next, after her mother’s line. (After Mary, Elizabeth, males heir, blah).
I think the first thing I assume before researching this era is that everything very likely King Henry the 8th's fault.
Pretty much
You are sensible.
@Voracious Reader I mean, he did die making his son the king, and he DID marry Jane Seymour so...... Technically it's his fault!
Yep accurate
No I blame it on generations before him. Because had Richard not killed the princes in the tower AKA Elizabeth Woodvilles sons they Would have become kings not Henry the 8th. I would even go as far is to blame it on Henry VII because he was a useless king and that's why The war of the roses happen
What amazes me that that. These families are immortalized in histories after the pain they wrought on people.
How is that any different from Jack the Ripper or any serial killer in this age? We immortalize the wrong people. Instead of the killers getting the attention, it should go to the ones responsible for ending thier terror enduced reign.
@@ES-nq8uu Yes I see your point,,,sadly,except through conjecture,Jack the Ripper was never identified. Nor was he caught,,,right? He simply seemed to Stop Killing
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thats the way it was. Just be glad you live now.
Monday morning quarterbacking, as we say in the States. They were a product of their times and beliefs. That's history. Hindsight is 20/20, as we should know.
Kind Henry VIII married two Anne's. Anne Boleyn who was beheaded, and later, he married Anne of Cleves, a German aristocratic lady. As soon as the king saw her, he disliked her, and she most likely disliked him as well. Knowing what happened to his first Anne, she happily agreed to have the marriage annulled 7 months later, and she was given the title, "The Kings' beloved sister". And she lived a happy life for that time in her own home she was given, ate with the royal family, and the king's children loved her. She died shortly after Mary's coronation. She was known by all, including her servants, as kind and generous.
2 Anne's, 3 Katherine's, & one Plain Jane! Lol....
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He married Jane Seymour.... Jane Grey was his neice...... She was even thought of for Edward...
Anne of Cleves and Anne Boleyn aren't their real names:
Catherine of Aragon = Catalina de Aragón (spanish)
Anne Boleyn = Anne de Bóléyn (french, spoken: Anne de Bulö)
Anne of Cleves = Anna von Kleve (german)
@@antheiheiant I don't think that English speaking people know how to pronounce "ö". It's not in their alphabet. Btw, it was custom for Royal brides to change their names after their marriage, if they went to a foreign country. But I also like to think of them as Catalina and Anna :)
Jane’s life before she was proclaimed queen was by no means carefree. It was atrocious. Her parents were immensely abusive to her.
I remember reading that her Mother used to beat her with a broom handle. No wonder she wanted to become a Nun!!! Barbaric lot !!
@Alice Moore their behaviour was really quite beyond our comprehension! !! ....and these were the 'educated' ones ??!!
@@anitastone168 Most of those are rumors, but she definitely was emotionally and mentally abused, if not physically!
My gosh I remember to have found a source that explains that her mother was especially abusive to her: she would always brutally beat her for the slightest disagreements. When Jane openly refused to be married, it's said that both her parents attacked her. Horrible...
Isn't it confusing and frustrating to have many Mary and Margaret in just one family
They probably had nicknames.
They all had different «surnames»
French were the same way. So was Austria. Marie was very common so they always went by Maria and then their middle name (Marie Antoinette, Marie Therese)
Mary was a fairly common name for the time.
That and all the Annes & Catherines King Henry VIII married! 🙈
As a fan of alternate history, I wonder what kind of queen Jane would have been. She was already showing herself to be no docile pushover, but didn't have time to develop herself. Would her reign be similar to that of Elizabeth?
Jane was intellectually brilliant but a fervent protestant. I doubt that her reign would have been as - relatively - tolerant in religious matters as Elizabeth's turned out to be.
@@conillet She did push for many social reforms for the common people and women, including education. I highly doubt she would have been as unmerciful as you think.
@@mdiddio what all did she push for in her 9 day reign?
@@BeccasaurousRex270 Quite a few reforms that benefited the poor and middle classes, including education of both girls and boys, some basic labor laws, etc, etc, etc. Why don't you look it up?
Lady Jane Grey's story is quite inspiring and this documentary really brought it to life! I love that she made her husband Guilford a duke and not a king. "this queen don't need a king."
Normally they do not make the husband the king because it would mean that he is the ruler of the nation and their descendants would take his name/titles/house. The queen is the legitimate heir and ruler in her own right. The husband could only be a prince at most or a duke. Just like how husbands of royal princesses would not stand to be in line for the throne either.
That's kinda understandable too becausz Guildford didn't have direct blood relation to the royal family, unlike Jane. She was the fair successor to the throne, aside from Mary and Elizabeth since they were both kept away from the ruling position for a while.
Well there were 8 Henrys
In the show they say this decision may have made her seem more independent, and not the mindless puppet, therefore making her seem more guilty when the scheme went bust. However, I think she was doomed either way.
From her point of view she knew her side could loose the struggle. If she had given him a crown as a king, this also could be used as against her.
Because her opponents could then say she was guilty of complete acquiescence.
Also she personally may have feared that her father-in-law poisoned the previous teenage head-of-state. By not allowing that man’s son to be king outright, she may have felt she was accomplishing a little bit of self perseverance.
It’s impossible to know any of it really, on top of the fact that her parents also were documented as very physically abusive and manipulating. So “her decision” may have even been the will of her psychotic father.
She was an enlightened being. Although she only held the position for a short time she tried to make positive changes. This story always amazed me.
LOL LOL LOL I laughed so hard because the duke thought his son would be king. Only to have the table turned and Jane said no for her husband to be king he can be a duke lol. You go Jane.
Both Lady Jane Grey and her husband Guilford Dudley are both my relatives. I haven't watched the whole video yet. I believe she was a pawn and so was her husband. I agree that she should have the right to say no to her husband becoming king.
@Wisewoe Tiswell different times different people. The whole country is in chaos and it's very likely that the queen would die in child labour. Also how many male king were thrown off the throne? she was weak as a queen that was the reason why she died.
@@Benjamin-zr4yw oh my god do you realize the whole thing only took place because all the men died in the first place? 'It's not sexism, its women dying in childbirth' Is that why they ignored like 10 woman heirs, some of which already went through childbirth? lmao
@@danastumpe8992 oh i see you can't read aswell. Please read my comment again and tell me at which point your brain couldn't process the information anymore.
and he was like "no king no sex!" as if she was eager to do it with him.
I have no problem accepting Jane Grey as a strong individual, but I really disagree with that guy's explanation "Well her cousins were headstrong, so she can't have been demure!"
Nonsense, people don't necessarily have the same character, only because they are related!
I don't think he necessarily meant it's to do with their genetic relation, but rather the similar circumstances and times they were brought up in. All were educated, all were exposed to Tudor inequalities, all were exposed to some strong women defying those inequalities succesfully. I think that's his argument.
right!
I don't know how strong she really is. Maybe in limited places where she could assert something but she's been beat down much of her life and never got to control much. She was told who to marry, she was told to be queen, etc. I think she realized she had to go thru with it to survive, if she was to survive.
@ Garth St. Claire
Yes, I absolutely agree with everything you say in your comment!
What a rediculous idea to assume family relations are in fact, even slightly similar to one another in opinions, thoughts, compassion and definitely religious alliance.
@@lisakaz35 Did assert her power as queen though
"No king, no sex."
I'll use that excuse next time
Broer 😂
*wink
Too many next times for you, my dear.
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"No, I'll make him a Duke."
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So within a few months she was forced to marry, forced to become queen, then killed. Through no fault of her own. Such are the power games of men.
Really pisses me off
anna zaman most men feel superior and are hateful ppl as well as selfish. Fk em . Notice I said most men and not all so I don’t want to hear any shit .
Raymond Duke me too ! Such a young and promising and beautiful life she could have had .
Louise Reeves This happened in the 1550s and you’re saying that most men today are like that? Wow
Look, there are assholes everywhere, I’ll give you that. But some women are too. To say that “most” of 3.5 billion people are hateful, and to say “f em” shows that your “opinion” is based on prejudice and nothing else.
Well since Mary didn’t want to kill her but Philip refused to come until she was beheaded
I can never forget Lady Jane Grey. As a kid, I have read Nine Days a Queen, as well as the story of Bloody Mary, and I have the story of the latter's younger sibling. Queen Elizabeth. :)
They are truly amazing people.
This Mary....was is the same mary of scotts??
@@bulzlukay5220 no, this mary was the daughter of king henry. The other mary was the daughter of Margaret Henry's sister. Also the other sister of Henry is called Mary. Very confusing
@@MrCarolienSerno thank u for clarifyin.
I’m not even English, but Lady Jane is one of my very favorite monarchs ever.
Ever since seeing Helena Bonham-Carter play the tragic queen, Jane Grey's story has intrigued me immensely. She was thrust into a monumental and dangerous position she neither aspired to or wanted. Her devotion to God and adherence to royal rights of inheritance I admire. Had it not been for Edward Seymour and her father, Jane would not have been forced to take on the role of queen, even though she seemed to come into her own as one. Her reign was as close to a real "Game of Thrones" scenario as History could get.
When did she play Lady Jane I want to watch that
What film was this? I’d love to watch.
@@BlendedBarbieDoll its called Lady Jane, a 1986 movie :)
She was so brilliant in that movie.
I admire Jane. She was so small, yet she knew to protect her family's throne.
Off topic the one who played Queen Jane Grey is beautiful, she played the role well.
That's fetus Helena Bonham Carter (i mean, tha one in the movie)... she's an amazing actress. ^_^
@@nanonano03 thanks for the info😊
@@mariamaeperalta I question that the actress is Helena Bonham Carter...I think it is a different person.
Whoever she is, you are so right, she is beautiful & did a good job.
@@elizabethalli1271, I'm pretty sure the actress who played her in "Lady Jane" was Helena Bonham Carter. Remember she was a lot younger then (as were we all!)
@@alicewilloughby4318 You are correct and not - in the 1986 movie "Lady Jane" Helena Bonham Carter played her, but this is a different movie: www.imdb.com/title/tt7812452/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
Henry was a fool, his daughters were his greatest achievement.
Mary was no achiement
@@sontayatoemsook1266 Mary turned into a cruel tyrant thanks to Henry’s paternal negligence, treatment of her mother, and defiance of the pope’s directives. When Henry established the Church of England declaring himself as its ruler he served her with the ultimate slap in the face. In short, Henry drove Mary crazy.
@@mariandenk5638 i think it's safe to say that Henry VIII is one of the worst and most messed up rulers ever
Edward was also an achievement, it was just his reign was cut short and 6 years were not enough to prove his worth as king.
Not to him. To him, they were his greatest failures. Or rather his wives greatest failings.
you guys make the best historical videos i have ever seen. narration is phenomenal and the background music is absolutely perfect, it sets the stage without drowning out any of the narration. the videos are clear and steady. i love this channel
Yes 😊
The Y chromosome in the Tudor lineage seems to be incompatible with life, while the X chromosomes create super healthy, smart women. 🤣
Karma lol
Also it is said that they had a lot of illegitimate males born by mistresses.
The Tudor men had a gene that produced an immune reaction in pregnant women who didn't have it. It generally meant miscarriages after the first child, unless the fetus got the recessive gene. The rest is judgmental, ethnocentric SJW's who can't admit that women in history had faults, too. Older documentaries are a little more even handed.
@Oniket Interesing. Link, please?
@Oniket Yes, I'd love read it!
And this is why there should always be a separation of church and state. History has already dictated time and time again that when Religion is in power chaos ensues.
Remy N. It’s the state that creates the chaos and tyranny! The Soviet Union was a secular state and we all know how that ends. I mean this respectfully. You should take a closer look at history because it is malevolent states that will push for separation and will demonize religion. If the peasants are without common values it makes it easier for the state to get away with criminal behavior. Without common values there is no right or wrong and truth is subjective. The West was built on Christianity as its cornerstone and will become something very different without it.
@@OlsenJustin Are you kidding me, right now in America we've got supposed good Christians backing politicians who thinks it's ok to separate families and lock kids in cages where they are subject to both physical and sexual abuse. The Churches in America even though they are not supposed to are often backing politicians that will ensure their morals are put above the needs and wants of a country of ppl that may not even follow there religion. Right now several states are challenging abortion rights of women even though it is federally protected because the church wants everyone to believe life begins at conception even though the bible specifically says life begins at first breath which can very easily be translated to when the baby can survive outside the womb. You see where I'm going with this. Church and State should not mix when you have a country of mixed religions. It doesn't work.
Remy N. As an adult that was locked in a cage and separated from my parents I agree with you that children should be protected. I blame the parents of the children including my own. As far as abortion is concerned it’s the belief on the pro life side that unborn children have rights and that abortion is evil. Not even that the woman that abort their babies but the system itself. Once again look back at where planned parenthood started. It was started by a Uber racist who wanted to cleanse the world of blacks and Jews. It’s no accident that most abortion clinics are in poor black areas. It’s not just Christianity that is important. Most religions teach the same things. Respect your parents. Love the children. Don’t steal. Have faith and don’t turn to the dark side. It’s western religious values that are the foundation for your anger at children being abused. Even if you think religion is evil and silly. Look at Chinese culture. No religion and for years baby girls were murdered because of the one child policy. I agree with you on organized religion. It’s on the fundamentals of western religion where I disagree.
@@OlsenJustin Don't get me wrong, I'm no atheist, I just get riled up when ppl use religion as a weapon or a right to dictate the lives of others, it was never meant to be used it that way. I ALWAYS saw my faith and the bible as a guide book of morals to follow not to inflict my faith in others by force, which is what I saw here in this video. It is what I am seeing in my own country. Religion should not be used to opress others into submission under the guise that they are being liberated. Nor should ppl claim to be good ppl of faith who condone that type of behavior. There is a possibility in any type of organization, religious or not. I'm my country in my opinion religion is being used as a weapon to put bigots in power while stripping the rights of others. But that's just my opinion.
Remy N. I’m glad we could find common ground!
I love the Movie Lady Jane with Helena Bonham Carter...................
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Am so much fascinated by the middle ages mornachy.the complexities and suspense always seem to amaze me
This takes place in the Renaissance.
Indeed! I wish i was Caucasian.
The Tudors were a particularly fascinating lot, I think.
Emeka Onwuchekwa same here and am a filipino.. never been or seen the british lands
Not medevial;the middle ages were from 400 until 1400
As an American I was not taught anything about English royalty or European. Most Americans learn about the royals through movies. I'm not sure why, but I am suddenly very interested in the intrigues surrounding the British kings and queens. It's all so fascinating! And this is an excellent documentary series to learn from.
We were taught most basic really known ones like the king with many wives and queen of France who was beheaded by her own people
Unfortunately this is just one of many examples of an innocent women’s life being ruined by power hungry men
Edit: Just want to say that I’m not blind to the fact that women were/are not perfect. However, I did write this comment over a year ago and my opinions and views have changed slightly. I do still believe Lady Jane Greys death would not have happened had she not listened to the men who wanted to keep their religion in power. But she did have her own faults. And Mary played a massive part in Janes death, obviously. I also believe that a lot of women at that time were viewed by these powerful men as tools to be used for their own personal gain. Which is exactly what happened here
Kaylee Rebekah and Anne Boleyn right
She was killed by Mary, a woman. All the girl power feminists in the comment section seem to forget that
Women were no saints then either. Do not assume that all power plays were by men alone.
Finally some true looking into this tragedy.
Poor child.
I’m an American, but I love learning about English history. I’ve been bingeing on it since the quarantine started, lol. It’s very interesting to me.
Me too! It’s been over a year for me and I’m going through all the kings and queens
Thank you so much for doing this!
I think the story and history of Queen Jane is amazing.
Poor dear Jane. She was just a victim.
i hope instead of giving her praise and calling her a strong woman, people extend more empathy and consideration to the fact that she had just turned 16 and had to literally fight for her life under the pressure of old men telling her what to do (and with no regard to her well being either, they clearly just wanted to reap benefits and power for their own families). nobody deserves to go through what she did, and a "strong woman" doesn't have to be strong just because she endured this much pain. nobody deserves to go through that pain in the first place.
Lady Jane Grey knew exactly what the stakes were and was no innocent teenage bystander!!! She firmly believed in the Protestant cause. The letters she wrote were testiment to this and she wrote them to the end. She died bravely and with great dignity firmly convinced of her cause. She was both an example and a warning for Elisabeth.
It’s probably why Elizabeth didn’t marry, she saw how powerful men behaved or misbehaved if you prefer.
@@katiekress7287 That an they carry disease lol
But she didn't really have a choice. This had been done to her, and so she did what she could to survive and make some positive changes
Mary is depicted here with a sly, perhaps conniving smirk. I don't really think that works. I'd picture her more as righteous, angry certainty and determination - quite as I would picture Jane.
Helen is another lady who can bring history to life!
The narrator looks like an older Hermione Granger. I keep expecting her to say that she read in Hogwarts, a History.
She is reminding me of an older Emma Stone as well.
So the minister of magic is giving us a history lesson?
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I thought I heard her say “its levi-o-sa not levi-yow-sah-
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is it just me, or did anyone else notice the actor playing Northumberland looks like Vladamir Lenin? I wonder if he's played him in any Russian revolution documentaries.
He kind of reminded me of Patrick Stewart.
monapause thank you! I couldn’t think who he reminded me of.
@@mariakelly5 nah. this would have had to have been filmed about 30-35 years ago for him to be the age that this actor looks.
monapause Has has to work
monapause Has has to work on
I honestly would love to see a documentary about her sister, Lady Katherine Grey... There's honestly not much at all about her but her story is even more heartbreaking thanks to Elizabeth I
Yes please!
Irresistible suspense, this is so well made! I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation, it kept me nailed to my chair. Thank you!
when i was a young boy, i saw a portrait on the cyber by inadvertently. at that moment i was like: "oh my, she’s looks like an angel, who is she?" however, when i found out what happened about her final destiny, my tears were coming. the achievement of the first British queen would be the weapon that killed her, no one can imagine.
"England's first Queen was Lady Jane Grey"
Empress Matilda: "Oh come on."
England, you have some SERIOUSLY messed up history.
Messed up in comparison with what other nations?
I think all country's history are messed up..
@@Grenadier311 There are many nations actually. Just in Europe people are ignorant about other civiliations. I love history and I enjoy these series a lot. I read a lot of european literature, including historic romances. I find history of every country very interesting and I can say I know history of europe quite well. This gave me possibility to make comparisons and conclusions of my own. And I'm proud to say, I come from one of the oldest christian country. We never had inquisition, Our church was never so brutal and dark minded as in Europe, we have never burnt and mordered people beacuse of the religous reasons. One royal dynasty ruled for more then thousand years. Of coarse there were political scandals and brutality, but not in a such huge level as in Europe. Noblewoman were getting the same education as noblemen. Woman were not used or manipulated as in Europe or tudor era England. We had woman crowned as a king in 12th century and she was ruling king not the puppet. p.s. Please don't think that I m trying to offend your country, I do respect brittish culture and people enormously just when I think about history, I'd rather be a part of unknown little country.
There time was very different than now. When I watch things about powerful women I realize that my English and Scottish ancestors were hardy and helped make me who I am.
Patricia, understatement of the year!
After finally finding out who my Ancestors were I found that I am not fond of many of them but they had strength and conviction.
Every story of England involves drama and cut-throats
I am pretty sure that's the history of humanity.
It's the way we like it lol
Its better to be a pee-on.
ain't it kewl?
It's like that all over.
when they chosen Mary.. they burned their own selves on fire cause Mary betrayed them..
Queen Jane was beaten into submission then was killed because of it.
On the upside, her vile father and father in law lost their lives, too. Queen Mary was actually reluctant to have Jane killed, and she didn't until after her slimy relatives tried to use Jane as the inspiration for Wyatt's rebellion in 1554. She knew they were using Jane, but believed that as long as Jane lived, she would be the rallying point of future rebellions.
The humanity during that time was vicious and violent. Father’s were bullies towards their daughters and forced her brutally towards submission. Then she is hunted down and killed for becoming Queen instead of Mary.
@@ladyv5655 There was also the embassy from Spain, who was there on Philip's behalf. They basically informed Mary that the marriage was on hold till any usurpers were dealt with.
@@gidzmobug2323 As in non-Catholic usurpers.
Her famous brother Earl got into the tea business
That is one smart comment hahaha
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LOL funny but Earl Grey Tea came about in the 1800's
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good one Sir!
lol! quit now! we are trying to be serious!
Very, very sad I have been forgotten about!
Jane Grey at 15 was in no way more educated than Mary and Elizabeth - both who grew up with scholars as educators.
Nick Doe You are right! I would say that ALL the Tudor ladies were highly educated.
Lady Jane was educated with Elizabeth and Edward. She was their cousin. Apparently, she was very studious.
She was very religious in her studies. Elizabeth could learn languages like no one else
elizabeth and mary were named bastards for a large chunk of their lives so they didnt always have the best education. if you compaire janes education at 15 with marys at 15 and elizabeths at 15, janes education was much more advanced
I was surprised they never mentioned that for a couple years Jane lived with the Seymour’s (Katherine Parr and Thomas Seymour) at the same time when Elizabeth was there. And they did share a classroom and tutors. Jane remained in the household after Katherine removed Elizabeth from her house and ordered her to reside elsewhere due to Thomas’ advances.
I wonder why they fight for a position that will get them killed.
Good question.
I wondered about the women who were dying to marry Henry VIII and then they did die. I don't understand it. @@happybkwrm
when that much power is at stake, everyone thinks they will be the exception and it won't happen to them.
Yea, I think you are exactly right. Somehow they think it won't happen to them. Even King Henry's wives would push him to the limit and think they could get away with it. @@k_a_y_l_e_e
crystalheart9 these wives never ,ever pushed the king to his limits. One- it wasn’t allowed and secondly he was too much a punk to ever have allowed that. He was notoriously narcissistic and misogynistic to even think about letting a woman push him in any way whatsoever.
Thats crazy that there still remains written words by Edward VI. Wow
The actor portraying Northumberland in this series gives off a creepy Lenin vibe. Poor Lady Jane... she never stood a chance. Who knows if the monarchy would have lasted if she had actually remained sovereign. Alas, we shall never know.
I wonder if the young king had made some public declaration or held an event to show off making Lady Jane his heir so the public knew his plans; would there still have been a battle between Lady Jane and Mary?
A lot of the nobles and peasants went to Mary's side because they believed her to be the rightful heir, but if they knew that the young king had changed it, would they have accepted his decree and follow Lady Jane, or would they still fight for Mary to be on the throne?
This story would make a great mini series.
I have always wondered how they smelled, it's weird but i am really curious about it
Rose water love...however you do set me thinking ... did the women of that era shave .... or they go au naturalle 🤔
Me too. Lol. I always imagined it wasn't pleasant.
By'tl Solomon No reason to shave. What for? They weren't going to wear a bikini. Shaving is cultural. Where I'm from, nobody is put off by a woman's hairy legs or full bush or even hairy back or chest. Ironically though underarms have to be hairless.
Probably bad
Search you tube Versailles, dirty lil secrets... its tells it all.
Wow. This documentary was amazing!!!!! Very well done. 1 of the best on English royalty that I've seen.
So much innocence has been destroyed by greed !
I've been searching for some time a docu about Lady Jane Grey where historian are being interviewed. Nothing interests me until YT algo shows this!
We need more Helen Castor!! Fabulous host.
Thank you, I was enthralled by this story, poor girl of circumstance
It sounds to me like king Edward was poisoned. His illness was sudden and very severe. I'm guessing the duke poisoned him because he thought he would make HIS son king... Even though he knew someone else would acquire the throne after king Edward, I believe he intended to keep poisoning the king (or queen) until the role of king landed on his son. I could be wrong, but its just a thought I had. **shrugs**
Edward died of either tuberculosis or pneumonia. He had the measles the previous year and it is believed to have weakened his immune system enough that some kind of chronic infection began to plague his lungs. His symptoms were pretty well chronicled.
@@adbreon Oh, okay! I was not aware of that. Thanks for the info! :-)
I believe his uncles choice of poison was arsonic. They were trying to keep him weak and under their control while their brother controlled his sister and his fathers widow.
@@adbreon His symptoms were not those of either tuberculosis or pneumonia. The best matches to date are poisoning or a particular infection of the lungs.
@@LynxSouth it was consumption
If I remember correctly, Henry the seventh had another son. Arthur. The one who died young, who originally married Catherine of Aragon. Did she forget about him?
He was not a surviving son
Arthur didnt die young. He was married to Catherine of Aragon. Henry "inherited" her as wife.
@@wendijackson8844 15 is young
THIS!!! I literally was just scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else noticed that Arthur isn't there...unless she's only counting them as "surviving" in which case he did not, but still. It drove me crazy for a bit haha.
She did say surviving children.
It's very sad what happened to Lady Jane Grey. She didn't deserve to be condemned to death. I know that Edward reluctantly wrote in his will that Jane Grey is the one to have the Throne of England. But Jane Grey had no desire to become the Queen. As for Mary, she had no right to rebel and to put an end to Jane's life. Mary was the one who committed high treason. She even knew that Edward chose Jane to become the Queen. Not her. Both Mary and Jane's father are to be blamed greatly. I blame Jane's father because he abused Jane and he didn't take responsibility to protect her from her enemies. He even underestimated Mary's forces, and that's what got both Jane and himself killed. The reason I despise Mary it's because she killed Jane Grey. It's also because she became power hungry with an agenda to become a tyrant Queen against the Protestants.
She technically had more of a right to the throne than Jane Grey did. Henry 8th named her in the succession behind Edward and his heirs, of which he had none.
I don't know how I got here at first I was watching kpop now this ........not regretting though it's very interesting
Same thing with me...
same lol
Baki Baki ni ore ...Nani wo?
How can I watch the second part of this?
ruclips.net/video/QU49GODklrc/видео.html
I believe this is the second half, seems to be a recap at the beginning.
Watch "England's Forgotten Queen: Lady Jane Grey Imprisoned | History Documentary | Reel Truth History" on RUclips
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@@dragoninthemoon7719 you're a life saver! Thankyou 😊
Beautifully executed and narration was amazing also. Thank you!
Seems a big issue here was that the council underestimated Jane, Mary and the people of England. So many issues could have been prevented if they hadn’t believed themselves the smartest people in the room
Every school child in Leicestershire was taken to her house and taught this story. I don't know if they still are.
The actor they selected to play Edward is so handsome.
Is it just me or does King Edwood sound like king Geoffrey from GoT?
*Edward *Joffrey. And yes, he kind of does
The most important skill for these period actors...look into the camera and stare for a few seconds, and repeat.
These days we're used to kings' names like William, Henry, Stephen, Richard, John, Edward, James, Charles or George - it's pretty interesting to learn there once almost was a king named Guildford ^^ (not meant to spite the Guildfords out there, it's just that to my ears this name doesn't seem to fit to the others)
There was one potential male heir - Henry Stuart, grandson of Margaret Tudor by her second husband Archibald Douglas. However he was around 7, his parents were Catholic and Henry VIII's will had cut out Margaret's descendants. Ironically it was Henry Stuart's son James who would succeed Elizabeth.
Edward VI wasn't the only son of Henry VIII! He had an illegitimate son, Henry Fitzroy, who also died as a teen.
Seems Henry VIII has a serious problem with his male bloodline. I wonder what the truth is about the cause of these young deaths, especially Edward's.
@@allisonmarlow184 probably nothing honestly, probably just caught tuberculosis and died or something like that. cause they didnt have modern mediccie
I think that the British can be grateful that religious strife had all but ended by the 19th century. While the monarchy is still Anglican, Catholics, Lutherans, and other groups are free to worship as they see fit.
Mary was not illegitimate - she was the daughter of the Queen of 24 years!
True, but she was made legally illegitimate after Henry had his marriage to Catherine annulled.
They meant she was deemed illegitimate by her horrible father Henry VIII for craps sake. You know exactly what they meant. Cut out the indignation.
Mary and Elizabeth were restored to the line of succession, but their father never acknowledged that he had made any mistakes with regards to how he treated either of their mothers, though it would make sense that one of his daughters would have had to be illegitimate. Most people, especially Catholics, considered Elizabeth as a bastard, since they did not recognize her mother's marriage to the king as his first wife was still alive at the time.
@@ladyv5655 Correct! I've been reading and researching British history for over 25 years and it is without doubt the most fascinating! And I'm an American. You cannot make this stuff up.
Nick Doe Neither Mary nor Elizabeth were illegitimate. But Henry said they were, so that’s what it says. Queen Mary had herself declared legitimate.
There was only one consequence for being on the losing side in the Tudor era - a horrible death by execution. If you were lucky, and an aristocrat, it meant beheading. If you were a commoner found guilty of treason, it was to be "hung, drawn and quartered", arguably one of the most horrific death sentences in human history.
The picture is Elisabeth tudor age14 not jane.
Not sure that whomever is responsible for the script knows what "protagonist" means. As the Duke is certainly the antagonist in this story.
I recommend the excellent 1986 film of this with a very young Helena Bonham-Carter.
That movie had the potential to be excellent. Actors were well chosen, but it was also a bit cringy how they depicted a "romance" between Guildford and Jane when there wasn't one. Guildford was recorded in some records as rather abusive to Jane. Some records also suggest that Jane had been in love, prior to her marriage, with Edward Seymour, Earl of Hertford ( the guy who eventually married Katherine, Jane's sister).
Queen jane life was horrible, and what they did to her was horrible. May the "9 days queen." rest in peace. 🙏🙏🙏
It's horrible what they did to her.
Anyone else on a British history binge??
😂😂😂😂me
What a well done documentary!
Poor kid. When the whole scheme of her father's came crashing down, she was quoted as saying, " Can I go home now"?. Heartbreaking. Regardless of of risk of her being used in a possible future uprising, how Mary could order that childs execution is beyond me. Evil fanatic.
Just finished watching Part 1, and looking forward to completing the series. However, a couple of things. First, I wonder what would have been the result if Mary had been associated with Philip of Spain, either by bethrothal or marriage, at the time of Edward's death. Would that have given more weight to Jane's claim, considering how loath eveyone was to that later on? And second, I don't totally agree with the assertion that Jane was coming into her own in the days following her ascendancy. Voicing her wishes is one thing, but actually standing up to Northumberland, her parents and the other forces around her was another. Nothing in Part 1 gives any evidence that Jane actually DID anything to make this so. There is no evidence that she would not have capitulated to these forces should they have been brought to bear upon her. Maybe yes, maybe no. There is no actual evidance either way. If there is, I would definitely like to know about it.
When I visit England I want to visit Queen Janes grave and where she grew up and lived
There's no Queen Jane Gray's grave. She was buried under church floor like rest of those who got executed and no one knows where her bones are.
“Jane prepears to be the first Queen of England”
What about Mathilda-
Matilda was never crowned and only ruled over parts of England.
@@EvanSol919 doesn’t that still count?
@@anemxia9393 no, her plan initially was to be queen regnant herself but after the anarchy she agreed with the king to have her son named king steven's heir instead
Since neither Matilda or Jane were crowned Queens their reigns are disputed.
Mary I would be England's first undisputed anointed Queen.
Question:-
Could someone explain to me why Edward’s costume bears the Lion Rampant (00:08:42), please? I’m not entirely sure but could that be a mistake?
People tend to blame Mary and the Catholics for the death of Jane, but it must be reminded that the Dudleys and the Greys sought to disinherit both Mary AND Elizabeth. The Dudleys and Greys were devout evangelical Protestants who looked upon the Anglicans (of which Elizabeth was one) almost with as much disdain as they did the Catholics. I tend to believe that the evangelical Protestants would have been more harsh than any Catholic or Anglican monarch, as they were hardly the masters of tolerance. And while Mary spared the life of Jane and her father the first time, I can guarantee that a hard core pragmatist like Elizabeth would never have given them a second chance.
Helen is one of my favorite historians.
I feel sorry for the poor queen😭
Is that picture at the beginning not Elizabeth as a young girl?
The music and scary approaching faces makes this look like a horror film!
The actor playing Guilford Dudley is such a CUTIE.
Those of you arguing that Mary, Elizabeth or Jane were the true queens... all of it depends on what version of history you choose to believe. It all depends on who is telling the stories
Fascinating. Thank you.
Wonder what England would have been like if Jane had been Queen rather than Mary I and Elizabeth I. Would have been interesting. I feel for Jane; she was innocent to this and did not deserve to die the way she did.