Were These Monsters Inspired by Fossils? (w/ Monstrum!)
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- Опубликовано: 28 окт 2019
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People have been discovering the traces and remains of prehistoric creatures for thousands of years. And they’ve also probably been telling stories about fantastic beasts since language became a thing. So, is it possible that the monsters that populate our myths and legends were influenced by the fossil record?
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Hey Eons viewers! Producer Seth here. Monstrum is one of my favorite channels so it was a thrill to be able to collaborate with them on this episode. Make sure you check out their new video on cyclops and tell them Eons sent you! ruclips.net/video/s-pMfIWl4kI/видео.html
Ahhh, i was wonder if today is the day of cyclops :)
PBS Eons happy Halloween!
Thank you Seth! Working with the Eons team was a blast.
11:35 peace was never an option
Yaaaaas omg I was so excited for these episodes between you guys! Mind blown!🤯
Why were dragons in so many cultures??
Eons: Fossils?
History Channel: Dragons were real?
"Much like how early humans wiped out most of the Eurasian megafauna, this conclusively proves Sasquatch hunted the chupacabra to extinction!"
VSauce: Instinct?
Dragons were real
Wasn't there a fake documentary like that?
Or ancient aliens...
If I have a gold mine and can't guard it 24/7 I'd make up stories about monsters in them too.
Ingenious
Daisy Dee lol just posted something similar. Plus the beaks look the same.
I'd talk about how big my PP was.
@@aidantheraider6324, and then Science had to go and ruin it for everyone by disproving these stories.
@@luckychips2283 What am I supposed to use for protecting my gold and treasures now?
Imagine being your average everyday Wooly Rhino, doing Wooly Rhino things, completely unaware of the fact that one day people will immortalize your remains as that of a Dragon, the most legendary of all creatures.
That’s how I want to go out tbh
Oh yes. The Wooly Albino Rhino Gyno who also happens to be a wine addict.
@@fernandohgfg6847 Bojack Horseman reference....nice 1 ;-;
then imagine your ancestors in the Ice Age seeing these animals every day and not thinking much about it, it was just their everyday life
There are actual instances of Ancient Greeks discovering ancient fossils, who mistook them for bones of creatures/demigods/heroes, and so reburied them with some measure of ceremony. I forget where I read this, but it was mentioned alongside the ancients' interpretations of a massive fossil hotspot in Samos, Greece, as a battleground between Amazons and heroes of some kind.
Japan's water dragons being more likely to act in anger makes sense given the prevalence of typhoons and tsunamis.
"my queen, i have slain the fire-breathing dragon. look at the hardened burnt skull. pay me"
@Hernando Malinche more likely monitor lizards, with forked tongues in artwork becoming flames as copies got more elaborate.
@Hernando Malinche monitor lizards actually CAN be scary too, even the smaller species
@SPINKZOR Queen Elizabeth I of England actually purchased and owned a narwhal horn from a group of Norwegian merchants for £60,000 (roughly the value of an entire castle/manor in the exchange rate of that era) believing it to be a Unicorn horn. It was one of her crown treasures IIRC.
Oh that is sad that Queen Elizabeth I got taken.
"hardened" the basilisk did it!
Whales' skulls might be the inspiration behind those sea monsters with tusks that appear sometimes in older maps of the world.
Oh absolutely, the lower jawbones look like tusks to someone who wouldn't know any better.
Except sailors would know what whales where as they breach often out of the water, plus the early whaling that has been going on ever since large boats that could carry many people went out to sea. Bones found on land where always thought to be just that: Land living animals. People didn't know that water covered most of the land we see today.
Most sea monsters where just misidentified from actual sea creatures. Bones found where never thought to be sea creatures, people couldn't fathom that very shallow seas would cover most of today's land masses.
Someone else said that whale bones could be the inspiration for monstrous serpents like the Wadjet or Wurms/Wyrms. Just because sailors know what a whale looks like doesn’t mean they know what their skeletons look like.
Oar fish, dragon sharks, and other deep ocean fish.
Uh, NARWHALES, duh!
I remember how I went to the beach as a small kid, maybe 8 years old, and searched for funny looking stones. I was also a huge dinosaur fan and I always dreamt of finding the remains of a creature that lived millions of years ago. And sometimes, I actually found little stones that didn't quite look like stones. I still have them, one of them looks like a layer of skin with scales, or the imprints of scales. I'm still not sure what exactly caused the weird structure, but when I found it, I felt like I had just discovered a miracle.
The excitement hasn't faded away. I recently started going to university, and I'm studying archeology. I love it.
@J G thanks, yes I really enjoy it, although I'm still at the start. And I just noticed that we both have the same username 😃
@J G :o
Nice you've chosen unemployment
Well dinosaurs are paleontology, archeology is the study of remains of past human material culture.
Soooooo........
Dr. Grant?
Fun fact: In China, what we call dinosaurs are called _kong long_ , which translates to *terrifying dragon*
So while dragons might be inspired by dinosaur remains, to the Chinese dinosaur remains are certainly inspired by their ancient stories about dragons.
If you think about it, dinosaurs ARE dragons. They just had horns in different places, some were really long, others had huge claws, and even others were feathered and could fly. Who knows, there may have been some that were really keen with sensing moisture in the air and knew when rain might come; "summon the rain," if you will.
Not to mention that China is home to several different "Dinosaur Valley" provinces, so yeah, it really is the Land of the Dragons.
Tyrannosaurus Rex means "tyrant lizard king" kind of parallels that. Makes sense that other cultures would have similar names or meanings.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Don’t chinese people think they’re dragons too
Aren’t Eastern Dragons almost more akin to minor Gods in their role in Chinese and Japanese mythology than they are akin to, say, monsters like the Hydra? Like, Japan seems to like to slap the name Dragon on everything somehow and make it work
@@80sGamerLady not to mention dinosaur means terrible lizard in latin which is arguably even closer.
Ancient Egypt was the home of the Amphiptere, a type of dragon that was a giant serpent with wings. It looks a lot like the whale fossils found in near Faiyum, which are actually pretty serpentine-looking. The front fins could have been seen as wings, and the head a does look a little bit like that of a giant snake.
Basilosaurus was effectively a snake-whale, and were it still here, folks would’ve mistaken it for a sea serpent.
Dinosaurs are more related to birds than lizards. Dragons fly. The ancients were on to something lol
Egypt? As far as I can see, Amphiptere is a European myth, not Egyptian. Maybe you were thinking of Wadjet, the winged snake goddess.
Australian Aboriginals have a myth about the 'Bunyip', a creature that dwells in billabongs, and devours unsuspecting swimmers... Is probably a 60k year old tale about the Mega fauna creature of similar habits.
@@drsharkboy6568 It's called Basilosaurus (king lizard) because the first guy to reconstruct it put parts from two skeletons together and declared it to be a real sea serpent. Unfortunately, due to the rules of nomenclature, we're stuck with the inaccurate name even though other scientists were immediately calling the guy out on his fakery.
I came back exhausted from one of my last days at this job, realized I'd already set up a cup of tea, and saw an Eons episode.
It's the small things, guys.
Manatee Man tea and Eons is my favorite combination ❤️
NOT like my PP. My PP is real big.
@@MrAlwaysRight this is small pp comment
Hope your new Job is going well.
@@cookiepowerx9251 no it’s true I am their pp
Everyone knows dragon myths were inspired by King Ghidorah coming down from space.
rakat sceptic indeed, old bean
Godzilla: How many times are we going to tell you this listen old man!
Ah, I see you are a fellow man of culture!
Exactly. This channel is as bad as the History channel.
Hahahaha
""...spent all their time tending sheep." Shows picture of goats. 9:20
Mythical sheep that just happened to look exactly like goats. It's like you never even read The Odyssey in original Greek. ;)
@@patrickmccurry1563 It's all Greek to me.
Lol
@@patrickmccurry1563 ohu
Lmao!
5:44 The world's most depressed looking _Protoceratops_ .
BIG MOOD
@Leandro Aude As if he was HOPING extinction was coming lol
Eeyore
@@IHScoutII Eeyorosaurus.
It not a phase mom *ITS AN ERA*
Here in Brazil theres a legend about a creature called Mapinguari. Some say its appereance was based by giant sloth fossils
What fantastic beasts! If only someone could tell me where to find them...
**rimshot**
@@Roguefem76 Archer ?
@@stavristavrev6795 Sorry, what?
Make some of your own by looking at fossils, and then draw the fossils but with weird stuff combined and then put flesh and skin on dat boi and BOOM a mythological beast
Just dig and dig and dig
That would explain now dragons in Chinese myths have feathers/fur, since fossils in China are often very well preserved and show integument
Dinosaurs had feathers
Wendy Gold Yeah
The Velociraptor could have been mistaken for the Basilisk.
@@jozeph2932 no wtf, the velociraptor is like the size of a turkey
Maybe not the velociraptor but the feathered dinousaurs in the region.
A few years ago, maybe 1989, I was visiting new york city. I was walking on 6th avenue, which was congested with pedestrian traffic on the sidewalk. The crowd parted, and being young I darted for the opening thinking to get ahead a bit. I am 6'5" and was starkly skinny then. The crowd had parted for a beggar. He had a metal teapot for his cup and he shook it at me. He had one extra large eye, centered on his face, and a small vestigial one crowded out to it's right. His nose was like a stack of leaves, too many folds like his sinuses were exposed. He was taller than me. Maybe 6'8 or 6'10. I've never doubted where myths about cyclops, giants, ettins and other monsters come from. They are us.
😅🤦♂️ I just read "1898" and was like: wait what?
a few years ago *almost 30 years ago*
Andrew Hendy ok zoomer
Man lay of the drugs
For a second I thought you were talking about Percy Jackson
I love the crossover on this episode. Well done ladies and your teams.
When you're a deformed (human) being but people consider you as a mythical being.
Deformed being: "I see this as an absolute win."
@Manophire. com I think you mean "markiplier prostate and the projectile uterus"
Or maybe marsupial and placental.
There are some examples of congenital deformity that also can be insipiration for legends, like cyclopia or sirenomelia
@Manophire. com I think you mean Marsupial and Placental?
Yeah, the problem is, people with these deformities generally die after a few hours.
There is no evidence of any adult person with an eye on the forehead, even the one that born like that, they eventually die for the other health conditions, it is extremelly unlikelly that cyclops were really inspired in humans, I'm sure people at the time just invented it, just like almost everything in mythology
The first dragon I’ve seen was when I woke up in a wagon to “hey you there, you’re finally awake”
The Griffith myth’s beak and protoceratops’ beak looks exactly alike. If the nomads were trying to keep others away from possible gold producing areas, they’d tell everyone about the bones of terrible creatures around there and let the tales circulate.
I never knew how many monsters were thought of because of fossils.
The Demon Amon horns are literally amonites.
Yeah like pretty sure a unicorn is based off a type of rhino and then kinda slowly brought to be more elegant through time and people telling stories
keep fighting. i want to see who's smartest
None of this has been proved. They're just speculations based on what we think ancient people believed. Some may have been based initially on fossils. But which if any of them were, we have no idea.
preying mantis miniature = Alien from the movie Aliens 😐.
As a folklorist, I would love more videos like these! Thank you PBS Eons. I love this channel.
Omg I live in China in the Sichuan province, I visited the place where the dinosaurs used to nest. There are tons of fossils in that place and the excavation site is huge! So cool
Eons is literally my favorite channel on all of the RUclips. I just have one complaint. "Prehistoric" is only applicable to human history. In terms of paleontology, it's about as meaningful as "pre-WWII"
@@emmettbattle5728 There are other words that can be used. There's no point simplifying something to explain it if you get it wrong.
"Prehistory" can refer to deep history (anything since the beginning of the universe). The term "human prehistory" can be used to disambiguate it from the period where humans existed on Earth.
Old rugaluster you know what they meant I know what they meant why complicate things
Pffft. "Prehistoric" simply means "before recorded history" which means that EVERYTHING further back than about 10,000 years ago is prehistoric.
I would say that the term is being used literally and colloquially. Literally, there are no first hand accounts either written or oral. And colloquially as denoting prior to what we loosely call the age of "humans". Also, it infers that this is an interpretation of evidence.
I agree that the term is imprecise, like Asian to describe Russian, Chinese, Korean, East Indian (South Asian), Malaysians, etc. as anything but living on the same continent. But very precise terms are usually only relevant to experts and very dedicated amateurs; not for a general audience.
I remember reading about this in “Dinomania” (2018) by Boria Sax
Classic religious art was essential in the development of early paleoart and by extension paleontology
Next thing they'll claim 'How to train your Dragon' and 'Dragon riders of Berk' weren't based on real Viking history. It's enough to make Little Jackie Paper roll in his grave.
So, you probably don't want to talk about Skyrim either?
R.I.P. Little Jackie Paper, he didn't live forever.
Yay! Science AND monsters! They're my favorite!
I would like to thank the patreons and everyone involved with this channel. I love this channel. I love biology and history and stories. This channel combines all of the that and more.
It's so wild and beautiful how so many cultures could share the same mythology and ideas when they are miles apart
I always thought monster myths probably came from fossils! I also think the global “flood myth” probably came, at least in part, from finding fish fossils on the tops of mountains.
That was definitely the case with the ancient Greeks, who speculated that such fossils were evidence of several worldwide floods. They couldn't have been the only ones to come to that conclusion.
Oh, I heard that "dragon tales" reference. Well played PBS EONS, well played.
For anyone who loves to explore the cultural and historical aspects of monsters in mythology and folklore; Monsturm is the channel for you my dudes
"Planet Earth has seen MUCH stranger creatures in it's 4.5 billion year history"
Yeah, the Drepanosaurs.
9:58 Hilarious how the cyclops throwing the boulder at Odysseus' ship has a bloody right eye. His left eye appears to be fine.
LMAOO
but he only has one eye
@@currently_In_stealth_behind_u Well he had two but then one got injured and bled away
This is one of my favorite videos of yours! I love mythology and it's absolutely thrilling to see it intersect with science.
Great Video!!
As an austrian, I appreciate the mention of the "Lindwurm" in Klagenfurt, Austria!!!
Me too. 🇦🇹
Austria boys party 🇦🇹
to insert a trey the explainer meme here:
it's either a basking owl or a barn shark-- damn it
Yess this collab is amazing ! Love both channels, I hope to see more 💖
Great jobs!
They mostly come at Eons...mostly.
This is a great idea to combine Eons and Monstrum together for an episode!
I mean it would make so much sence that most mystical creatures were inspired by fossils at least this means they were real but not in the way ancient civilizations thought.
I was eating while watching this and nearly choked at 0:06 when they mentioned Klagenfurt. I'm from Ferlach which is about 10 km south of Klagenfurt but I never heard of this skull discovery and that it is the origin of the Lindwurm which is displayed at 0:36. Thanks for this cool knowledge
Love Monstrum!! Would recommend the channel to everyone
I do too I just hate that the videos are so short. Id watch a 20 min break down
@@chelsey8737 right?!!!
All these PBS guys are great
You're the best! Thank you.
This is such an amazing topic!
This is something I've thought about for quite a while so it's nice seeing an interesting topic like this tackled in such an informative way! Thank you PBS eons
When are they gonna do one on the evolution of the uteruses .. i'v noticed the plocentle uterus looks strikingly similar to the Marcupile prostate 😱
I loved hearing about ancient people keeping fossils. I want to hear about the Dino shaped sculptures found in South America and if the people who made them kept any fossils
Keep up the great work pbs eons.
this is very well made all around! thank you very much for your working and dedication to educating the public.
Great video! Maybe some other monster stories came from the time of different human species making contact and eliminating each other. Today we’re the only humans species left. Some encounters must have made their way into our myths and legends, right?
The crossover I've been waiting for! ❤️
6:55 my face when I accidentally touch the toilet water when wiping
Hahaha now that is probably one of the best comments I've seen in a while
How do you wipe that your hand comes remotely close to the toilet bowl
THANK YOU for this video, sincerely. I'm working on my graduation thesis which is about the History of Paleontology and I really needed these sources for my first chapters. I will be citing you on my thanks page 🙇♀️
TY for this episode.
This is so fascinating!! I could watch hours of this!!
I needed this for my history class..THANK YOU
What did you have to do for history class?
This is wonderful, I've always suspected fossils to link so many myths around the globe to dragons. It makes sense, especially because of the creatures that left fossils behind in places such as Eastern Asia and the Americas. Thunderbirds in Native American culture have always reminded me of avian megafauna and pterosaurs, while Quetzucoatl shares qualities with Chinese Dragons such as the snake like form- and titanoboa fossils were found in Columbia while Gigantophis fossils were found in Egypt (and could also explain the myths of giant snake creatures there!)
I've always thought dragons were inspired by fossils
We'll never really know for sure and it might be a chicken or egg situation. Were fossils inspirations for dragons or were fossils used to support the belief in dragons?
We have a video about European dragons if you want to get some more info. about what inspired them.
Well congratulations you must be smarter than all of us normies huh?
Imagine finding a Dino skull back Then. What a trip
Ross from Friends there is a theory that the cyclops the Greeks talked about were likely mammoth or elephant skulls. Look up pictures, you’ll see why.
I have a video suggestion
Could you talk about the huge variation in lions in the pleistocene and maybe include the Natodomeri lion.
It was a giant lion found in Kenyan rocks around 200,000 years ago
The various forms of panthera leo definitely need more discussion
The Natodomeri lion had a basal length of at least 380mm and this minimum estimate provides us with a figure of 460mm as its greatest skull length making it at, least in skull size, as large if not larger than the panther atrox or fossilis.
Hey
Fascinating
Great episode! Great topic! I remember having had discussions about weather dragons were dinosaurs mistaken for dragons with friends and in school as a kid. It was great to see it covered. well done =)
11:27 Ah, imagine if humans had domesticated the small elephants and today we had tea cup elephants instead of dogs
WOW! One of the most interesting episodes yet! Was hoping yall would get in the Halloween spirit and I always love when the PBS channels collab!!
Can I say, you are one of my most FAVORITE channels EVER!!! Please keep doing what you are doing!!!
I'd love multiple Episodes on this Topic since the insights so far been amazing.
@Manophire. com Maybe they are worried that youtube will have problems with it.
Austria represent!
I always felt like there's something mammalian about that Tatzelwurm...
Was ist denn ein Tatzelwurm? Ist das sowas wie ein Lindwurm?
Prinzessin Pummelfee Genau das, nur ein bissi kleiner. Ich weiß daß der Klagenfurter ein Lindwurm ist, aber ich finde er sieht so lieb aus daß 'Tatzelwurm' sich einfach anbietet 😉
Czech-Ourselves • The Tatzelwurm is somewhat smaller than the Lindwurm (which is the name of the 'dragon' of Klagenfurt); however, I prefer to call it a Tatzelwurm because it looks effing adorable: check out the image at en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatzelwurm
Superb video, as usual. Thanks!
Your blouse. I need it. As always, excellent video! Thank you for sharing.
I think one of my favorite examples of this phenomenon is Australian myths. The Aborigines, one of the oldest cultural groups on Earth, have stories about giant lizard like predators called Whowies and slimy semiaquatic behemoths called Bunyips that are almost identical to the Australian megafauna that used to populate the continent when early aborigine first arrived thousands of years ago like the giant lizard megalania and the enormous marsupial diprotodon that used to swim in Australia's swamps. To the first humans populate in Australia these weren't just fossils, these were living breathing animals that went extinct after they arrived.
If you guys released a Podcast oh gosh I'll never leave my room
The dwarf elephant of Cyprus... I've seen the actual fossil skeleton in a friend's house here in Cyprus, it was amazing!
I am so pleased this channel exists
"Ancient theorists suggests...."
I think in light of your previous video, the obvious one we're missing out on here is the folklore of the puckish little people from Flores and surrounding islands.
Happy Halloween! thanks for the great video.
Great collab!
8:07 *a pine apple*
-shows pinecone
Dr Zarka.
Awesome super villain name.
what a great cahnnel!! thanks for so much.
So good, and gadzooks why is this the first I'm hearing of Monstrum?!? You guys rock
I thought the scientists for this channel would know the difference between a clan shell and a scallop shell.
Oh bloody hell! “Clam” shell! Clam.
You guys are so good at pronouncing Chinese names this is INCREDIBLE
Glad you mention Mark Witton’s critique! Props!
i loved this, mythology and paleontology combined!!
I know this has already been requested a lot (also by me) but can you please make a video about the Australian megafauna
Eons: Uploads video about monsters inspired by fossils with cyclops in thumbnail.
Monstrum: Uploads cyclops video literally seconds later.
Hmmmm
....because they are doing a collaboration....? As said in the video...?
???
@@Beryllahawk I commented this before watching. The Monstrum note popped up as I was tapping the Eons note.
Not too long ago, a newspaper reported that some scientists have captured footage of a very large eel in Loch Ness and concluded that the Loch Ness monster might have been just some overgrown eels. Maybe you guys could do a video on the evolution of eels or what kind of prehistoric monsters once roamed Scotland.
I want more like this
The word dinosaur is a relatively new word. I suggest that the word “dragon” (and many other mythological creatures) are what we called them before the creation of this word. We just never took the old word out of circulation.
Circulation? Circulation of blood is what makes my PP real big.
@@MrAlwaysRight did not see that coming-
That is so interesting and explains a lot actually. Few years ago, here in Egypt, an ancient tomb was discovered. The tomb contained fossilized bones for Jurassic animals. And the carvings on the tomb mentioned that these are the bones of god Seth
Awesome! I'm digging the Halloween tie-in since it's my favorite holiday!
Ok I love all the learning and I also find the comparison of dragon myth super wonderful. BUT I need to admit I also adore the fun shirt silliness happening with you and the host of the monster show 😍
9:00 "One-eyed cyclopes" huh? Doesnt the word cyclopes imply one eye? :P
no. the plural of cyclops is cyclopes, with an e lol
Well, "cyclops" translates to "round eye" and not "one eye" as might be believed. So the number of eyes is not given.
It is believed, that the true etymological breakdown is:
ku + klops (pku + klops) = cow + thief
The folk-etymology "round eye" is believed to come from a misreading of the morphemes in the word:
kykl + ops (kuklos + ops) = circle + eye
And this is thought, because the word "peku" was lost over time in Greek. So the speakers could not remember the original meaning.
Me: reads Percy Jackson
Also me: Ah yes, this definitely makes sense.
Loved it!!
I absolutely love this channel, it has to be my favorite
What if no large bones of any animal were ever discovered. Would we still have myths of monsters? I`d say not likely.
Som speculate werewolves were based on early serial killers and vampire myths on the misunderstanding of human decomposition. When people found corpses that hadn’t decomposed as much a sense they’d expect it was assumed they were vampires.
Nicholas Lewis
Iirc, Vampires were also originally associated with Wolves and not bats. Really, you could have a whole series just dedicated to the convoluted origins of stories of the Undead: Vampires, Ghosts, Zombies, Revenants (aka, local man literally too angry to die), and so on
OMG I LOVE THAT TOP!
Me too, I love that both of them had dinosaur shirts
I love your dino shirts! I want some too!!! When you mentioned the griffin the first thing I thought of was a therizinoaurus skeleton put together wrong...
I stumbled upon this exact thought years ago, glad to know I’m not the only one!