Shogun | Episode 8 | TV Reaction | First Time Watching | It's All A Game of Chess!
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Toranaga heads back to Edo to mourn the loss of his son and prepare for his next course of action in Episode 8 of Shogun (2024), "The Abyss of Life" from FX. Here's our reaction to our first time watching.
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This adaptation managed something incredible: while remaining true to the book it's based on, it managed to surprise those who had read the book.
16:20 Toranaga really did them dirty on that one. The courtesans deserve a better class of neighbor 😅
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So funny.🤣
You know...I was asking the same thing about how this show was going to wrap itself up. When the end credits started rolling on the final episode, I was just left motionless on my couch. If it was a theater, I think the entire audience would've erupted in applause...it was a tremendous emotional journey and flawlessly executed.
"She looks freezing" yeah... This was shot in Vancouver. I imagine everyone was just wet, freezing and miserable.
My god 😭
kiku was a trooper 😄
"- She is the Queen in this chess match, right?", best comment I've read about Mariko
When Omi said that the son died in service of his lord the camera pans to Hiromatsu. I think at that point he realized he knew what Toranaga needed even though it was unspoken
we can surely say that Buntaro had the worst day of his life: dumped by his wife so then he had to behead his own father........... damn it
On the other hand, he is also an extremely processive, jealous, and controlling husband, lol. Deep down, just an extremely insecure guy who tries to force his wife to love him back...and beat her up if she doesn't. Still much better and more honorable than most jealous and controlling people in actual real life, though. Most real life bad people have zero honor or positive desires, beneath all of their selfish actions. Just pure fear and selfish insecurity.
"Don't give up on our lord, even when it 'appears' he has given up on himself" The dialogue in this show is brilliant, Hiromatsu was fully aware Toranaga had a plan and that his sacrifice was his role to play. He tells Bantaro as much clear as day but most don't pick up on that till after Toranaga confirms it.
Was Toranaga sick throughout this episode? Make sure if you think he was sick you pass that word along. Tell everyone. Spread the word all the way back to Ishido 👍
Toranaga playing the long game...to the hilt...of the blade Hiromatsu did himself with.
Such a thrill to watch acting of that caliber
Great acting in this episode ( and trough the entire show TBH ) all the sequence of the seppuku is amazing acting.
I mean this guy gets drunk and shoots arrows at Marikos face and expects some hot tea to make her forgive and forget? “Lol, boy gtf out my face, and take all this heartbreak with you” 💪🏾😈
I think the tea ritual was more of a transition, that he now wants to grant her “her” wish after death.
What Buntaro didn't understand was that Mariko never loved him and that she just wanted to get away from him, which his pride wouldn't allow.
Buntaro is, as Mariko said before, a strong and admired warrior, but not a good husband.
That doesn't make his behavior any better, but he first had to hear that his wife really has no feelings for him at all and then he had to second his father.
@@stephanthomas4410 I don't believe Hirokatsu started off as a bad husband.
From his account, he and Mariko were happy in the beginning. So, Mariko's father and entire family dying most likely changed everything.
She wanted justice and/or to follow her family in death but was bound by duty to her husband to live and everyone else considered "justice served" because Mariko's father was the aggressor.
Buntaro, being a warrior, ignores trauma and tries to continue on. I speculate that he tried to convince Mariko to do the same. "It'll be okay. We'll go back to the way it was" kind of mentality.
I think Mariko grew to resent Hirokatsu because of her duty to him, basically living in a cultural prison and he grew to resent her because she would not go back to the way she used to be.
That being said, I do agree that Mariko never loved Hirokatsu but accepted it as a compromise to her environment.
@@xfireflarex I don't believe that either.
However, Mariko also replied that she can't remember the supposedly good times of their marriage.
Nevertheless, the character of Buntaro is extremely fascinating.
He is fiercely loyal to his father and above all to his feudal lord, he is without doubt an outstanding warrior and he undoubtedly loves Mariko.
But their marriage has always been a marriage of convenience.
Mariko made this clear when she told the Anjin that she doesn't even give her hatred to Buntaro.
That was cold as ice.
The whole tea ceremony is something very important in Japan, is a place where all "status" disappear, thats why the tiny doors, because even the emperor of Japan has to kneel down to enter.
Lol... "chai tea"...
Thats like "tortilla bread", or "beef meat"..
Chai IS tea... typical of us Americans to use a foreign translation as a TYPE of the same word.
he said "cha" or "ocha"... which is Japanese for "tea".
Thank you for addressing this lol
But I don't think that's “typically” American. Here in Germany, the name Thee has become established, later Tee and in many Western European languages in a similar form, derived from the Southern Chinese pronunciation of the character 茶.
Chai is not as common and is therefore sometimes used twice.
Hiromatsu committing seppuku was not part of toranaga’s plan at all. Hiromatsu did what he did because he realized that the other three generals in the scene were going to commit seppuku as protest to Toranaga's decision. Realizing that if he committed instead, the other three would not have to since he would already do it so Toranaga would only have to lose him instead of three valuable generals. He showed true loyalty till the end thinking that ending his life would benefit the whole situation. This show is truly one of a kind.
I have no idea if Japan rains as much as the show portrays, but it was shot in Vancouver which is well known for it's rainy seasons
per Hiroyuki Sanada, that last scene had no dialogue. Sanada came up with lines there at the end to thank his son and Hiromatsu
This episode, that scene, it’s crazy
and it only gets better
Great reaction you two, to a great show.Although the character Johann Vinck (historical model: Jan Joosten) has been omitted in this adaptation, the show wants to focus more on Japan at that time, which is also interesting.
Sometimes John Blackthorne (historical model: William Adams) becomes a marginal figure, but that's artistic license.
Greetings from Germany
Mariko's the real Crimson Sky! Wife beater is also delusional in thinking punching-bag-Mariko loves him back all these while!
Toranaga has many tricks up his kimono ;-)
Cha is Chinse for Tea. In Japanese its Ocha but you also see the Cha suffix in words like Ryokucha(Green tea) Kocha(Black tea) Matcha. (Powdered green tea). Chai is the indian word tea and the Chinese probably share the same roots for the word as geographically they are close and done a lot of trading back in the day.
The show filmed in Canada, not in Japan! It’s not rain all year here. Please come 😊
How it is not, just checked today rain all over again...
@@eedve Typhoon is approaching😅
12:39 well…to be fair…he did hit her..several times so i cant really blame her
Agreed. But she has mentally abused him for years and I think he has always loved/desired her.
@@thePouncingPurplePanther this.
@@ichwanbedwiner I wrote this above in a different comment but she never loved him but accepted it as a compromise because of her culture.
Sure, he loved her but you can't force someone to love you especially if they married you because they were forced to.
Mariko's whole family was killed because her father tried to save the country and everyone accepted it like justice was served. She wanted to die with them but was bound by duty to live.
My takeaway: can you imagine your whole family dying and the person you're legally bound to tells you, "I'm not going to let you do what you really want. Just accept their deaths and be a good spouse to me?"
If someone killed my whole family and my wife said to me, "The killer's going to walk away scot-free but I need you to stay in the house and be a good husband," I would probably lose my shit.
the old man messed up when he told the other lords that Toranaga planed to fight so to sell the deception the old man sacrificed himself.
Next episode blew my mind.
I don't like Buntaro, but I genuinely felt bad for him in this episode. It was all very rough for him. If you think this episode is good, wait for the next one. It's incredible.
Snow is absolutely better than rain! Team SNOW! ✊
Look up the word "intense" in the dictionary and you'll see a picture of that scene!😭
Yes... she is the queen in this chess match... but the best chest masters know...
Rain > snow
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It's pronounced 'eh-do' not 'ee-dow'.
Next episode is sooooo bruuuutal, cant wait to se your reaction, your in for a mind fuck !!!
If you are interested in "Eastern" TV-shows i strongly recommend you to watch (even if not for reaction, just for pleasure) TV show "Jumong". For me it is one of top-3 of my favorite TV-shows of 21st century.
Guess we should know by now nothing Toranaga does is pointless
Hiromatsu called Toranaga's bluff and lost. Pretty sure Hiromatsu played himself here... no matter Toranaga's intent.
Wrong
Hiromatsu is taking one for the team. His sacrifice here would serve a greater purpose than his life would in the upcoming conflict.