Mr. Smith, again you have made another great video. The rotary vane style pump has been used for a very long time by the Fire Service as a positive displacement pump used to prime centrifugal pumps. I find it interesting that you have the knack to take an everyday implement viewed by finite audience, modify it, and take it now a different path. Here is a challenge for you, the Fire Service also uses another style positive displacement pump, the rotary gear, as a priming pump for the centrifugal style pump. I have no doubt you could do the same concept with that device or something along those lines. My brain is old, ancient, moldy, and feeble is the reason I don’t try it myself. Again, I enjoy your videos, thank you your time. Respectfully submitted Jay Huyssoon
If I have a check valve on my mouth and the right gearing I could actually charge up my phone while hiking because I'll generally be *exhaling* through my mouth in a controlled manner over somewhat lengthy periods of time - "thru-hikers" would love this! Even breathing into a balloon which is then connected to a reduction fitting that's mated to the generator doesn't add much weight and is a flow regulator so the output comes sort of pre-regulated.
The simplest might be the pneumatic vibrator. A single ball bearing driven around a raceway by the airstream. But vane motor type assemblies are also used for vacuum pumps.
You shoudl REALLY make the 'motor' part more airtight, put some rubber on the end of each of those 4 fins, and use a bit of lubricant on the rubber and plastic surfaces... you might have to re-print some of the pieces, but you'll have the opportunity to so compare the one you have now, with a newly printed, OPTIMIZED version and you'll be able to demonstrate just how IMPORTANT optimizations are... I'm willing to bet there will be an almost DOUBLE in the output just by sealing it up and using some rubber & lube gasket on the four fins.... Oh I hope you can show us this, I had a project fall apart when the prototype had such lackluster result that it was abandoned right away... but months later that prototype was looked at again when others weren't turning out well, but this time a few VERY SMALL AND SIMPLE optimizations were made and nearly doubled the result, causing the entire team to FACEPALM over the wasted 4 months on other designs lol :)
I'd probably go for nylon filament for the vanes, and graphite lubricant to start with. And make sure the mating surface of the vane is horizonally aligned on the printer. Might not hurt to rheam and/or hone the inside of the cylinder as well.
@@DFPercushI know graphite can be used as a lubricant in powder form but do they make it in gel-like suspension? I would think so and that is what you meant beings that the power would just get blown out lol..... So nylon is much 'slippery-er' than the usual PLA? I really don't know the differences between all the filaments available, and there are just SO MANY!! I don't know very much about 3D Printing, heck I don't even have a 3D Printer, but I'm trying to learn when I can...
@@Nobe_Oddy Nylon does have a lower coefficient of friction than PLA, but since you asked, I went looking, and it turns out PTFE is one of the lowest out there (Teflon, go figure). I did indeed mean dry graphite. There might be an excess that blows out, but you can't erase your homework by blowing on it, some of it will stick. That would be a neat excuse though lol.
I don't know exactly how they work but there have been compressed air assist systems on long haul trucks; I don't know why they don't get discussed as it always seemed like a great way to get a lot more mileage out of the fuel they were burning by storing energy in the compressed air tanks during long downgrades to use to assist later.
That makes a lot of sense. I mean, if you're going to have a jake brake anyway, you might as well dump that into the air system, and you might as well use it for something power intensive like initial acceleration.
I'm a commercial tyre fitter and the vein motor is the base of most of my tools . My biggest impact wrench is way over 2000 nm of torque and a bit of a beast .
Wow. Competition for EVs. Hmm. What if you replaced the bellows with a Fresnel lense to heat a series of black PVC tubes to create higher pressure heated air? Like a solar water heater, but using air? I'm guessing the size to make enough pressure would be ... massive? But if you heated a sealed tank of air?
You should see how small the Ingersoll Rand pneumatic starter is on a Mack truck engine. The E9 is 998 cubic inches and the starter motor is about 8 inches diameter by about 8 inches long. It starts the E9 instantly and the engine is at idling speed on the starter motor.
I can think of a few ways to use that. Connecting a aluminum casted version of the motor to something like an air compressor. I wonder how long it will run.
This one can be combined with a heat source in the sense of heating the storage cylinder to boost the pressure . Once heat is used , then next step is steam i guess .
Oh yes , I've seen that employed in the compressor/blower for automotive air horns and also for automotive air conditioning compressors . The AC compressors actually have a variety of interesting designs ....multi radial pistons, ordinary pistons , a wa vy skirt thing , the vanes and one or two others.
Plaudits aside of which there are many I could pass your way, what you are doing is exceedingly interesting in all your videos. Have just watched the series on the low wind turbine for under £100. Fascinating. How about linking the idea of the wind turbine turning it into an undershot water mill design so you have a constant flow of energy from the water. Then attach a pump with two or more cylinders to blow a continuous flow of air into the vane motor? Alternatively you could use the wind turbine as an undershot water mill and generate electricity directly. P.S. Thinking about the later as moving off grid and there is a fast flowing river alongside the land.
I love it, love it love it, just think when we were all walking around in those masks we could have been charging our mobile phones and looking like Darth Vader
Dear Robert, What a great RUclips channel you have created. I am very interested in the things you show. This was again a very clear explanation about a generator. Now I have a question. It is about the serpent coil, which appears in many videos. Can you improve that with an iron core? The coil you showed now has an iron core, and now the coil wires are at a different angle with respect to the magnets. This is because the magnetic field is changed by the iron core. What is the best way to do that with a serpent coil? Install iron tubes through which the wires run? Or make the partitions between the wires of iron? Kind regards from a Dutchman Wim.
Rob, I see that you have uploaded this in individual parts. I SO do appreciate that, since my printer is quite small. Would you do that for your other motors? I have been trying to make them, and your Darwin wind 'generator', but I cannot separate the parts. Great job. Keep up the good work, mate.
You can use thinkercad to do that, in a roundabout way... You multiply the whole parts (left on the screen) and remove the ones you don't want (using a big form - square, round, whatever -, making it negative, and erasing those parts), resulting in having every part separated
when the bellow is hooked to a one stroke wind turbine might work. or water comp. i do believe in multi purpose green such as home solar for cars even if it runs comp. as u say ... but yes must have multi purpose to be worth it for market green
I've been looking at using a wind turbine to drive an air compressor to use as energy storage. So far the designs I have on paper have fairly low compression rates, but something like this might be good for when the released compressed air recharges the batteries. Oh, and my compressor design may have a bellows in its future 😂
All of the various powered cars have that fine line of a potential disaster in a crash. Design in the best possible ways to mitigate those and improve as necessary.
Had to Google that one...and now I want to build one. Looks like an awesomely efficient design as well as being cheap and easy to build. Thank you for that.
@@ThinkingandTinkering true, but wouldn’t a second conatintina reverse the flow? Where a box bellows would be continuous in one direction(not sure about the leaks)?
@@hanelyp1 the box bellows is a constant one-direction air flow, why do you need an air valve?( not being pedantic here, I know the box itself consists of several one way valves, it just doesn’t need an extra in-line valve)
I've not heard of anyone trying an electrode in a compressed air environment. Maybe aluminium air battery. Ozonated oils, haven't made it into any of your videos and it would be interesting to see some experimentation..
A process is open source too. I think it's the powerofozone and would be useful to see if could apply to a whole host of new process. Thank you for your kind support again. Certainly research the community of ozonewithoutborders will be fascinating, if you've never seen before.
From what I'm seeing, there isn't any reason why you can't adapt this vane motor with coil to be incorporated into an EV wheel/wheels so as to harvest kinetic energy from the rotation of the wheel/wheels instead of compressed air and using the electrical energy to continuously charge the battery array or a battery array/supercapacitor. You're talking about an EV that never needs to be plugged in, thus unlimited range.
Rob, I'm having problems (still) trying to get the ink to adhere to the aluminum foil. I've tried the acetone, soap and water, and rubbing alcohol. Still not working. Any other suggestions? Better quality of foil?
that's all i can suggest mate as tried it with foil washed in acetone and it sticks well - though i suppose you could try to roughen the surface with a light sand?
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This is just amazing efficiency from something so small. You done it again fella. Surprised us all on RUclips.
We didn't actually see any test that quantifies the efficiency of the system.
Thank you! Cheers!
My small gift to Robert is still keep on giving!!! Thank you so much!
nope - thank you mate - your support is well appreciated - cheers
Blow me down it was all in vane😢😂
😂😂😂
lolololol
If only we could have a pandemic of Rob’s infectious enthusiasm.
Mr. Smith, again you have made another great video. The rotary vane style pump has been used for a very long time by the Fire Service as a positive displacement pump used to prime centrifugal pumps. I find it interesting that you have the knack to take an everyday implement viewed by finite audience, modify it, and take it now a different path.
Here is a challenge for you, the Fire Service also uses another style positive displacement pump, the rotary gear, as a priming pump for the centrifugal style pump. I have no doubt you could do the same concept with that device or something along those lines.
My brain is old, ancient, moldy, and feeble is the reason I don’t try it myself. Again, I enjoy your videos, thank you your time.
Respectfully submitted
Jay Huyssoon
that's a nice suggestion mate - thank you for taking the time to mention it
Thank you for your concepts, proffers, and videos, I have enjoyed them for years.
Respectfully submitted
Jay Huyssoon
If I have a check valve on my mouth and the right gearing I could actually charge up my phone while hiking because I'll generally be *exhaling* through my mouth in a controlled manner over somewhat lengthy periods of time - "thru-hikers" would love this! Even breathing into a balloon which is then connected to a reduction fitting that's mated to the generator doesn't add much weight and is a flow regulator so the output comes sort of pre-regulated.
But it's hardly free energy, as it presents back pressure.
i like that mate!
The simplest might be the pneumatic vibrator. A single ball bearing driven around a raceway by the airstream.
But vane motor type assemblies are also used for vacuum pumps.
that's got me thinking - cheers mate
Just needs a flywheel to smooth out the voltage between the push n pull of the bellows, or have two bellows and non-return valves for constant flow.
i agree mate and the two bellows is a god idea
Nice. Since the vane motor will run on a vaccuum too, a single bellows with a couple ping-pong ball valves would be ideal for operating it.
it should work for sure
All that huffing and puffing got me thinking... Lamaze breathing from the maternity ward could power the whole rest of the hospital. 😉
lol
You shoudl REALLY make the 'motor' part more airtight, put some rubber on the end of each of those 4 fins, and use a bit of lubricant on the rubber and plastic surfaces... you might have to re-print some of the pieces, but you'll have the opportunity to so compare the one you have now, with a newly printed, OPTIMIZED version and you'll be able to demonstrate just how IMPORTANT optimizations are... I'm willing to bet there will be an almost DOUBLE in the output just by sealing it up and using some rubber & lube gasket on the four fins....
Oh I hope you can show us this, I had a project fall apart when the prototype had such lackluster result that it was abandoned right away... but months later that prototype was looked at again when others weren't turning out well, but this time a few VERY SMALL AND SIMPLE optimizations were made and nearly doubled the result, causing the entire team to FACEPALM over the wasted 4 months on other designs lol :)
I'd probably go for nylon filament for the vanes, and graphite lubricant to start with. And make sure the mating surface of the vane is horizonally aligned on the printer. Might not hurt to rheam and/or hone the inside of the cylinder as well.
i agree mate - this was a 'knocked together' prototype you improvements would certainly get better results
@@DFPercushI know graphite can be used as a lubricant in powder form but do they make it in gel-like suspension? I would think so and that is what you meant beings that the power would just get blown out lol.....
So nylon is much 'slippery-er' than the usual PLA? I really don't know the differences between all the filaments available, and there are just SO MANY!! I don't know very much about 3D Printing, heck I don't even have a 3D Printer, but I'm trying to learn when I can...
@@Nobe_Oddy Nylon does have a lower coefficient of friction than PLA, but since you asked, I went looking, and it turns out PTFE is one of the lowest out there (Teflon, go figure). I did indeed mean dry graphite. There might be an excess that blows out, but you can't erase your homework by blowing on it, some of it will stick. That would be a neat excuse though lol.
I don't know exactly how they work but there have been compressed air assist systems on long haul trucks; I don't know why they don't get discussed as it always seemed like a great way to get a lot more mileage out of the fuel they were burning by storing energy in the compressed air tanks during long downgrades to use to assist later.
Probably because it would make too much sense to do something like that or it's not complicated enough. 😂
That makes a lot of sense. I mean, if you're going to have a jake brake anyway, you might as well dump that into the air system, and you might as well use it for something power intensive like initial acceleration.
that would be a great way - you would be amazed i think at how much doesn't get done because it never occurs to folk to try it
I'm a commercial tyre fitter and the vein motor is the base of most of my tools . My biggest impact wrench is way over 2000 nm of torque and a bit of a beast .
that's te kind of wrench want lol - nice one cheers mate
They must be powerful too as many excavators use vane pumps to drive the caterpillar tracks
i didn't know that - awesome - thanks for sharing mate
Wow. Competition for EVs. Hmm. What if you replaced the bellows with a Fresnel lense to heat a series of black PVC tubes to create higher pressure heated air? Like a solar water heater, but using air? I'm guessing the size to make enough pressure would be ... massive? But if you heated a sealed tank of air?
interesting thinking mate - it would be like a kind of Stirling engine I guess
You should see how small the Ingersoll Rand pneumatic starter is on a Mack truck engine. The E9 is 998 cubic inches and the starter motor is about 8 inches diameter by about 8 inches long. It starts the E9 instantly and the engine is at idling speed on the starter motor.
that's a lot of torque!
A Giant Tracker tyre 'inner tube' would be great for an air supply.
yes it would
Hell, I bet we could power half the World with just the recessed energy in his tumultuous brain. The outward passive extension he needs to us remind.
lol - cheers mate
vane motors are used in my vintage motorcycle to pump oil
I can think of a few ways to use that. Connecting a aluminum casted version of the motor to something like an air compressor. I wonder how long it will run.
i wonder
Robert, you are the man !
lol - cheers mate
This one can be combined with a heat source in the sense of heating the storage cylinder to boost the pressure . Once heat is used , then next step is steam i guess .
i think it would be mate
Oh yes , I've seen that employed in the compressor/blower for automotive air horns and also for automotive air conditioning compressors . The AC compressors actually have a variety of interesting designs ....multi radial pistons, ordinary pistons , a wa vy skirt thing , the vanes and one or two others.
Very cool
Plaudits aside of which there are many I could pass your way, what you are doing is exceedingly interesting in all your videos.
Have just watched the series on the low wind turbine for under £100. Fascinating. How about linking the idea of the wind turbine turning it into an undershot water mill design so you have a constant flow of energy from the water. Then attach a pump with two or more cylinders to blow a continuous flow of air into the vane motor?
Alternatively you could use the wind turbine as an undershot water mill and generate electricity directly.
P.S. Thinking about the later as moving off grid and there is a fast flowing river alongside the land.
Great idea as always. THANK YOU FOR THE UPLOAD!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Robert for the belows do two opposing ones driven by a seesaw...
cheers mate
I love it, love it love it, just think when we were all walking around in those masks we could have been charging our mobile phones and looking like Darth Vader
lol - so cool!
Solid!
Top KEK!
Peace be with you.
cheers mate
Dear Robert,
What a great RUclips channel you have created.
I am very interested in the things you show.
This was again a very clear explanation about a generator.
Now I have a question.
It is about the serpent coil, which appears in many videos.
Can you improve that with an iron core?
The coil you showed now has an iron core, and now the coil wires are at a different angle with respect to the magnets.
This is because the magnetic field is changed by the iron core.
What is the best way to do that with a serpent coil?
Install iron tubes through which the wires run?
Or make the partitions between the wires of iron?
Kind regards from a Dutchman Wim.
Rob, I see that you have uploaded this in individual parts. I SO do appreciate that, since my printer is quite small. Would you do that for your other motors? I have been trying to make them, and your Darwin wind 'generator', but I cannot separate the parts.
Great job.
Keep up the good work, mate.
You can use thinkercad to do that, in a roundabout way... You multiply the whole parts (left on the screen) and remove the ones you don't want (using a big form - square, round, whatever -, making it negative, and erasing those parts), resulting in having every part separated
cheers mate and i will try and do that in future
Imagine a scaled up version of those behind a turbine. I think volts would fly.
for sure mate
Your darwin wind catcher attached to it will be interesting.
A little blowing in the wind ?
Quit admirative that after that effort you are not out of breath 🙂
I suppose if you had a creek or river nearby you might be able to use a Trompe to compress the air.
when the bellow is hooked to a one stroke wind turbine might work. or water comp. i do believe in multi purpose green such as home solar for cars even if it runs comp. as u say ... but yes must have multi purpose to be worth it for market green
I've been looking at using a wind turbine to drive an air compressor to use as energy storage. So far the designs I have on paper have fairly low compression rates, but something like this might be good for when the released compressed air recharges the batteries.
Oh, and my compressor design may have a bellows in its future 😂
lol - awesome mate - i think bellows are much under used!
This is how gyros were driven in older aircraft before there were vacuum pumps.
Working also like watter el.generator? Like conect this to the watter pipe etc
I think we all should be thankful you've chosen to use your super powers for good. 😂
lol - nice one mate
I love the idea of air powerd cars but there is a fine line between that and a mobile explosion especially in a crash situation?
All of the various powered cars have that fine line of a potential disaster in a crash. Design in the best possible ways to mitigate those and improve as necessary.
compressed air is one of the safest mate
The bulk of my renewable energy research is focused on vane driven power transferral.
They're making faucets with built in LEDs powered by water.
are they now lol
Robert could this design be combined with a Darwin wind catcher and a venturi for increased efficiency?
I am not sure mate - I would have to experiment
Those are good motors 10.000 rpm for a good one they make great Transfer pumps..
cheers mate
Great vid Rob, what is the super glue activator spray?
N,N-dimethyl-p-toluidine and heptane
Wonderful video, thanks!
You was good at that Rob! LOL LOL LOL
lol - cheers mate
The blade-less generator uses vans. ❤ Put it on top of a roof.
Steady air supply? Japanese box bellows is far more constant than a constantina bellows
Had to Google that one...and now I want to build one. Looks like an awesomely efficient design as well as being cheap and easy to build. Thank you for that.
you could - or you could just make a double concertina mate - it would then be the same thing - but less leaky
@@ThinkingandTinkering true, but wouldn’t a second conatintina reverse the flow? Where a box bellows would be continuous in one direction(not sure about the leaks)?
@@JohnSmith-qm5xu Either way you need one way valves to turn alternating motion into steady flow of air.
@@hanelyp1 the box bellows is a constant one-direction air flow, why do you need an air valve?( not being pedantic here, I know the box itself consists of several one way valves, it just doesn’t need an extra in-line valve)
Would one of these work with water pressure? What are the drawbacks of this tech?
Give me a shout if you ever want to go camping Rob, you can blow up my air bed.
lol - cheers mate
I've not heard of anyone trying an electrode in a compressed air environment. Maybe aluminium air battery. Ozonated oils, haven't made it into any of your videos and it would be interesting to see some experimentation..
cheers mate
A process is open source too. I think it's the powerofozone and would be useful to see if could apply to a whole host of new process. Thank you for your kind support again. Certainly research the community of ozonewithoutborders will be fascinating, if you've never seen before.
What would happen if the magnets are moving in one direction and the windings in the opposite direction, both tied to their own source of propulsion?
the voltage is proportional to speed and speed is relative so the voltage would increase by the amount of the combined speed
From what I'm seeing, there isn't any reason why you can't adapt this vane motor with coil to be incorporated into an EV wheel/wheels so as to harvest kinetic energy from the rotation of the wheel/wheels instead of compressed air and using the electrical energy to continuously charge the battery array or a battery array/supercapacitor. You're talking about an EV that never needs to be plugged in, thus unlimited range.
I agree mate there is no reason at all that couldn't be done
@@ThinkingandTinkering So, get right on it, please.
Robert, I know I'm nitpicking but I'm bothered by the incorrect use of the word "generator" when it's actually an alternator. No I don't have OCD.
Coming up with the correct length of the wire for the serpentine coil is driving me nuts. Please help.
i covered that in the serpentine coil video mate
Why don't you connect your Concertina Pump to this vane motor, so you don't need to blow into it?
good idea mate
Everytime I hear about using compressed air as a battery, I imagine a big explosion.
Since giving up your vitamin C ( smoking ) how's your blowing. Noticed a difference yet?
i am afraid not mate but then i don't really pay that much attention tbh
Rob, I'm having problems (still) trying to get the ink to adhere to the aluminum foil. I've tried the acetone, soap and water, and rubbing alcohol. Still not working. Any other suggestions? Better quality of foil?
that's all i can suggest mate as tried it with foil washed in acetone and it sticks well - though i suppose you could try to roughen the surface with a light sand?
@@ThinkingandTinkering Thank you, I will try that.
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Eee By 'eck Bob tha's a Bobby Dazzler!
lol - cheers mate
When you breathe in, you are slowing it down. You should try to blow only.
Have you ever experimented with a Tesla Turbine?
yes mate - you will find vids on the channel
Hmm neat very neat
Glad you think so!
Looks just like an airplane vacuum pump.
cheers mate
Your so vane, I bet you think this motors about you, Don’t you! Don’t You!
It’s all just bellows me…
It’s all just bellows me…
Lol
I'm so vane, Carly Simon wrote a song about me!
lololol
3 Volts at how much current?
dunno didn't measure it
Still (what about a steam version), why not, seems like another likely step (Steam is another fluid, is it not?)!!!
agree a steam version would be good
Make small elevator from LG direct drive wahing machine motor
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