Truth is found not given away. Sounds like your teacher has not moved you towards the truth, or you are impatient. Train hard don't think, truth will become visible to you.
Agreed! I’ve been training in iaido for about 15 years now, and I train for spiritual refinement. I love Kata and the sword, I don’t like violence and conflict.
Think I will just learn it all and discover truths for myself. They may align with you or may be slightly different. Respectfully, I grew up in Japan and have been a student of Nakamura ryu, Toyama ryu, Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, and just now starting Mugai Ryu. I would be interested in trying Tenshin Ryu as well as Tennen Rishin Ryu. I look at it as trying to become the best version of myself , my body, and soul. Not just one over the over.
Thank you for your thoughts. The way of tea, Ikkibana or even Noh are exactly the same as Budo. They are arts for arts sake, it just our chosen art is Budo. Context, be open minded, learn from someone who is impressive not someone who tells you they are impressive (claims to be a master) learn the correct mindset through patience and humility. Be a better person than the "you" that did not choose this path. Budo is not about war it is about peace. All good budoka are pacifist. It is unfortunate that you are so disturbed, by the opinions of others, that you need to join in with your opinion on a public platform.. Perhaps your time would be better spent meditating. Peace and harmony little brother.
g. its people like you that think like you that are destroying the art of the sword. this is exactly how alot of elders in japan think and its honestly saddening, its whats destroying the martial art, the people that just put young people down trying to revive the ways of old so that traditions dont fade, you would never say this ab tea ceremony even though it almost has no practical reason either, you dont have to practice it to drink macha and reap the benefits same with geiko theres no real reason for the tradition to be alive considering they arent prostitutes anymore. if you really trained in a budo martial art youd understand the importance of it. its not to step 500 years back in time. sure some have that mentality but having that mentality when you actually need to defend yourself is a good thing, with a sword or not. ruthlessness wins fights, it will save your life more often than not. you should know that as someone whos from britain. its not ab that either, stepping into the past i mean. its to discipline yourself, to make yourself a better overall person by adopting the mentality of the samurai. it gives you a moral standing, i guess you can think of it very similar to religion in that aspect. thats all thats used for is to give morality to a time where they were pillaging villages for fun. same for the samurai. there were samurai killing people to test swords out, bushido or things very close to those things were created to stop these things from happening or giving someone a certain point of morality to prevent these things from even being thought of. also how tf are you gonna be completely immersed in Japanese culture around you and still not speak with the correct accent. talk ab disrespectful. also how tf are you gonna get the date and name of the battle wrong. the battle started in 1945 and when it happened it was in the city of weno against the british in ww2, youre dumb asf. ill be honest, youre not making yourself seem credible in the slightest. you can tell by your body language and the quavering in your voice being entirely nervous when you make up facts is also a big deterrent of your credibility.
Did you watch the video?? You seem to get something entirely opposite of what I said. And I certainly didn't say the Battle of Ueno was in 1945 against Britain, were you smoking drugs when you thought you heard that? And who are you to talk about the mentality of the samurai? Have you ever lived and trained in Japan? Or just read books? Are your sources from Japan or second hand from America or Britain? You're welcome to your opinions and criticism but please explain yourself, how are you informed?
@@infozencentre ive studied battoujutsu and iaido for quite some time and the points that you make arent even close to the regular mentality that budo or iai martial artists have generally in an average standpoint. youre right you didnt say that the battle of ueno was in 1945 i couldnt really understand your japanese correctly it sounded like you said "weno". it doesnt matter if youre trying to cater to an american audience when youre talking ab an all japanese type of swordmanship, nonetheless annunciate yourself correctly please. the mentality of a samurai is taught through many a people weather that be old or new, these things are obvious in our modern time when we can look back at the situation from those points and come to real conclusions of why things went the way they did and why things were done to prevent them, our knowledge is quite limited because not everything was meticulously recorded. obviously everything i say isnt credible in your eyes cause your some enlightened monk and im some random on the internet with a burner account and im not some genius swordsman that is as good as okita or kojiro but that doesnt discredit all the years of work ive put in to learning this type of mental framework. its not super difficult to learn how to act accordingly in that regard, either you learn from someone or use your resources. of course knowing japanese will help you in that aspect more than anything considering your "self tuition" can have a wider overall spectrum of knowledge towards that type of culturalistic ideal. since you try to prioritize sounding more american or british (what it seems like from my understanding) so they can understand you a tad bit better, THAT makes me a lil skeptical on your knowledge towards this type of topic. if you think i would defend this type of mentality just from consuming only english context is actually disrespectful to me and the japanese, i would never stoop so low as to only go off of foreign aspects for this information. this is obvious accumulation after years of studying this type of martial art. i cant just say "oh here this is the book/books that ive learned all of this from and here are some webpages too", no , its not as simple as that. yes id say having an overall 1st world mentality towards things surrounding japanese culture is good to an extent. its always good to have another perspective than just my japanese one because you can look at things in a different light. ill give you that and ill also give you that having your opinion on this topic is completely fine. i just had a problem with you belittling budo/iai martial arts. its the problem in japan atm too alot of old people dont see the real reason in keeping these martial arts or traditional practices alive. theyre slowly dying out because of this, because the old people critise young people for keeping the culture alive when no one else wants to saying "this isnt the feudal era why do you think you need to learn these things?" or "what do you think youre a samurai or something?" i guess thats what really set me off. sorry for going off on you, i know you mean well, this just happening so much around me, i cant help but try to defend it to an extent. im sorry again if i seemed hostile.
@@bbbb-yc1gk OK you are not trying to be aggressive, OK, that's fine. We can discuss. I have a video about Shugyo and we are certainly not in disagreement in what you have written here about that. As to Tenshin ryu I said only, and in keeping with my own teacher's teaching on this, that Budo as a museum is dead. I suspect that Tenshin ryu is a revived line, some people consider that illegitimate, I said what is important is training. I try to be as neutral about Tenshin ryu as possible, I have seen them demonstrate at Kyoto Budo Centre in Taikai but that's all I know about them. Most people know even less about them but make judgement, I believe I did not say one way or another, but only it is training that matters. You practice Battojutsu, you don't say from which dojo, that's OK, but understand there are those in Koryu in Japan who believe your tradition to be modern and illegitimate and made up, I'm not saying it is, but you see? Many different opinions exist, arguments are no use, that's what I said in the final point. My final point is that training quality is what matters, if one belongs to a legitimate Koryu with long history but only paper licence then it is museum. That is the position of Battojutsu is it not? Yes in Japan there are people who think licence is more important than skill, it's sad. Not all in Japan think like that. I make no judgement on Tenshin ryu, if it is skilled or not, only that it is a good example of this fight.
@@infozencentre i understand completely and im happy that you completely understand and agree with me in my mindset, i respect you in that aspect. i do try to study under tennenrishinryu (work does get in the way) although its not hard to get in anymore compared to how we were in the earlier periods i still do love everyone in the dojo, the experienced and not, we are all learning together and i feel like thats an amazing aspect of this martial art too but for the most part honestly because of what you mentioned of it being a modern style to an old art battoujutsu has been something that ive been fascinated by for quite some time and its hard to kind of give it that "modern" tag because this type of thing was most likely practiced but not really used/recognized as a full ryuha style for quite some time it was honestly just something that was kind of known that in certain circumstances you would have to draw the katana quickly and it makes sense why it would be a basic form of kenjutsu. hence why you refer to battoujutsu like this, honestly youre correct, its an art form that hasnt really been recognized in that regard and i understand why. it doesnt have the same type of functionality as a actual kenjustsu or budo martial art probobly why its seen as museum, it makes sense, very hard to discern these things and arguing ab them gets no where because as you stated there are many many opinions so i see where youre coming from on that entirely. i do understand where youre coming from with Tenshin ryu and youre right they do have their opinion without really knowing too much and going off of surface level detail and i respect you for noticing such a nuance. that makes me want to take back my first post as to being so rude to you, im sorry for that. understandable that there are people who really only credit the ones that are licensed but it does make sense to a certain degree because if youre licensed youre (more often than not) regarded as a more skillful individual ON AVERAGE. which is normal the japanese tend to garner stats more than anyone else which is fine to a certain degree granted if you are licensed then it would also be a thought that you have had and/or can produce high quality training or trainees. though you cant discredit the ones that have skill but arent full immersed in the art form in that way. also i think your master is correct in that aspect budo/iai martial arts do not get as much recognition as it would have around 200 years ago, which is also a reason why you can call it dead or a "dead artform". youre 1000% right in that regard but saying that they have that type of mindset. yes having that "feudal japan" mindset is a good thing when it comes to life and death scenarios is fine, sword or not. obviously having that mindset through everything would be a problem, no doubt, but putting it down in that regard is a little bit much. although you arent really speaking for all of it, youre speaking in your experience and i can respect that. thats not how all budo/iai martial artists think and you obviously know that. hence why your statements never said "all" or "many" which i can respect to the fullest degree. im sorry for being so rash in my thinking.
Thank you for sharing this - 100% agree - the practice of modern budo is the polishing of the soul.
thank you for sharing your wisdom. these kind of questions has been haunted me recently, you have given me the exact answer. thank you so much.
Truth is found not given away. Sounds like your teacher has not moved you towards the truth, or you are impatient. Train hard don't think, truth will become visible to you.
Agreed! I’ve been training in iaido for about 15 years now, and I train for spiritual refinement. I love Kata and the sword, I don’t like violence and conflict.
Think I will just learn it all and discover truths for myself. They may align with you or may be slightly different.
Respectfully,
I grew up in Japan and have been a student of Nakamura ryu, Toyama ryu, Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, and just now starting Mugai Ryu. I would be interested in trying Tenshin Ryu as well as Tennen Rishin Ryu. I look at it as trying to become the best version of myself , my body, and soul. Not just one over the over.
When someone enters the dojo he or she should leave the ego outside.
Just go to to the dojo and train!!!!
The exclusive truth how common it is.
Thank you for your thoughts. The way of tea, Ikkibana or even Noh are exactly the same as Budo. They are arts for arts sake, it just our chosen art is Budo. Context, be open minded, learn from someone who is impressive not someone who tells you they are impressive (claims to be a master) learn the correct mindset through patience and humility. Be a better person than the "you" that did not choose this path. Budo is not about war it is about peace. All good budoka are pacifist. It is unfortunate that you are so disturbed, by the opinions of others, that you need to join in with your opinion on a public platform.. Perhaps your time would be better spent meditating. Peace and harmony little brother.
Amazing. Almost everything you said was wrong
@@410cultivar Thank you, I will meditate on your words for another 50 years.
Honestly they are kind of gay... literally...
g. its people like you that think like you that are destroying the art of the sword. this is exactly how alot of elders in japan think and its honestly saddening, its whats destroying the martial art, the people that just put young people down trying to revive the ways of old so that traditions dont fade, you would never say this ab tea ceremony even though it almost has no practical reason either, you dont have to practice it to drink macha and reap the benefits same with geiko theres no real reason for the tradition to be alive considering they arent prostitutes anymore. if you really trained in a budo martial art youd understand the importance of it. its not to step 500 years back in time. sure some have that mentality but having that mentality when you actually need to defend yourself is a good thing, with a sword or not. ruthlessness wins fights, it will save your life more often than not. you should know that as someone whos from britain. its not ab that either, stepping into the past i mean. its to discipline yourself, to make yourself a better overall person by adopting the mentality of the samurai. it gives you a moral standing, i guess you can think of it very similar to religion in that aspect. thats all thats used for is to give morality to a time where they were pillaging villages for fun. same for the samurai. there were samurai killing people to test swords out, bushido or things very close to those things were created to stop these things from happening or giving someone a certain point of morality to prevent these things from even being thought of. also how tf are you gonna be completely immersed in Japanese culture around you and still not speak with the correct accent. talk ab disrespectful. also how tf are you gonna get the date and name of the battle wrong. the battle started in 1945 and when it happened it was in the city of weno against the british in ww2, youre dumb asf. ill be honest, youre not making yourself seem credible in the slightest. you can tell by your body language and the quavering in your voice being entirely nervous when you make up facts is also a big deterrent of your credibility.
Did you watch the video?? You seem to get something entirely opposite of what I said. And I certainly didn't say the Battle of Ueno was in 1945 against Britain, were you smoking drugs when you thought you heard that? And who are you to talk about the mentality of the samurai? Have you ever lived and trained in Japan? Or just read books? Are your sources from Japan or second hand from America or Britain? You're welcome to your opinions and criticism but please explain yourself, how are you informed?
@@infozencentre ive studied battoujutsu and iaido for quite some time and the points that you make arent even close to the regular mentality that budo or iai martial artists have generally in an average standpoint. youre right you didnt say that the battle of ueno was in 1945 i couldnt really understand your japanese correctly it sounded like you said "weno". it doesnt matter if youre trying to cater to an american audience when youre talking ab an all japanese type of swordmanship, nonetheless annunciate yourself correctly please. the mentality of a samurai is taught through many a people weather that be old or new, these things are obvious in our modern time when we can look back at the situation from those points and come to real conclusions of why things went the way they did and why things were done to prevent them, our knowledge is quite limited because not everything was meticulously recorded. obviously everything i say isnt credible in your eyes cause your some enlightened monk and im some random on the internet with a burner account and im not some genius swordsman that is as good as okita or kojiro but that doesnt discredit all the years of work ive put in to learning this type of mental framework. its not super difficult to learn how to act accordingly in that regard, either you learn from someone or use your resources. of course knowing japanese will help you in that aspect more than anything considering your "self tuition" can have a wider overall spectrum of knowledge towards that type of culturalistic ideal. since you try to prioritize sounding more american or british (what it seems like from my understanding) so they can understand you a tad bit better, THAT makes me a lil skeptical on your knowledge towards this type of topic. if you think i would defend this type of mentality just from consuming only english context is actually disrespectful to me and the japanese, i would never stoop so low as to only go off of foreign aspects for this information. this is obvious accumulation after years of studying this type of martial art. i cant just say "oh here this is the book/books that ive learned all of this from and here are some webpages too", no , its not as simple as that. yes id say having an overall 1st world mentality towards things surrounding japanese culture is good to an extent. its always good to have another perspective than just my japanese one because you can look at things in a different light. ill give you that and ill also give you that having your opinion on this topic is completely fine. i just had a problem with you belittling budo/iai martial arts. its the problem in japan atm too alot of old people dont see the real reason in keeping these martial arts or traditional practices alive. theyre slowly dying out because of this, because the old people critise young people for keeping the culture alive when no one else wants to saying "this isnt the feudal era why do you think you need to learn these things?" or "what do you think youre a samurai or something?" i guess thats what really set me off. sorry for going off on you, i know you mean well, this just happening so much around me, i cant help but try to defend it to an extent. im sorry again if i seemed hostile.
@@bbbb-yc1gk OK you are not trying to be aggressive, OK, that's fine. We can discuss. I have a video about Shugyo and we are certainly not in disagreement in what you have written here about that. As to Tenshin ryu I said only, and in keeping with my own teacher's teaching on this, that Budo as a museum is dead. I suspect that Tenshin ryu is a revived line, some people consider that illegitimate, I said what is important is training. I try to be as neutral about Tenshin ryu as possible, I have seen them demonstrate at Kyoto Budo Centre in Taikai but that's all I know about them. Most people know even less about them but make judgement, I believe I did not say one way or another, but only it is training that matters.
You practice Battojutsu, you don't say from which dojo, that's OK, but understand there are those in Koryu in Japan who believe your tradition to be modern and illegitimate and made up, I'm not saying it is, but you see? Many different opinions exist, arguments are no use, that's what I said in the final point. My final point is that training quality is what matters, if one belongs to a legitimate Koryu with long history but only paper licence then it is museum.
That is the position of Battojutsu is it not?
Yes in Japan there are people who think licence is more important than skill, it's sad. Not all in Japan think like that.
I make no judgement on Tenshin ryu, if it is skilled or not, only that it is a good example of this fight.
@@infozencentre i understand completely and im happy that you completely understand and agree with me in my mindset, i respect you in that aspect. i do try to study under tennenrishinryu (work does get in the way) although its not hard to get in anymore compared to how we were in the earlier periods i still do love everyone in the dojo, the experienced and not, we are all learning together and i feel like thats an amazing aspect of this martial art too but for the most part honestly because of what you mentioned of it being a modern style to an old art battoujutsu has been something that ive been fascinated by for quite some time and its hard to kind of give it that "modern" tag because this type of thing was most likely practiced but not really used/recognized as a full ryuha style for quite some time it was honestly just something that was kind of known that in certain circumstances you would have to draw the katana quickly and it makes sense why it would be a basic form of kenjutsu. hence why you refer to battoujutsu like this, honestly youre correct, its an art form that hasnt really been recognized in that regard and i understand why. it doesnt have the same type of functionality as a actual kenjustsu or budo martial art probobly why its seen as museum, it makes sense, very hard to discern these things and arguing ab them gets no where because as you stated there are many many opinions so i see where youre coming from on that entirely. i do understand where youre coming from with Tenshin ryu and youre right they do have their opinion without really knowing too much and going off of surface level detail and i respect you for noticing such a nuance. that makes me want to take back my first post as to being so rude to you, im sorry for that. understandable that there are people who really only credit the ones that are licensed but it does make sense to a certain degree because if youre licensed youre (more often than not) regarded as a more skillful individual ON AVERAGE. which is normal the japanese tend to garner stats more than anyone else which is fine to a certain degree granted if you are licensed then it would also be a thought that you have had and/or can produce high quality training or trainees. though you cant discredit the ones that have skill but arent full immersed in the art form in that way. also i think your master is correct in that aspect budo/iai martial arts do not get as much recognition as it would have around 200 years ago, which is also a reason why you can call it dead or a "dead artform". youre 1000% right in that regard but saying that they have that type of mindset. yes having that "feudal japan" mindset is a good thing when it comes to life and death scenarios is fine, sword or not. obviously having that mindset through everything would be a problem, no doubt, but putting it down in that regard is a little bit much. although you arent really speaking for all of it, youre speaking in your experience and i can respect that. thats not how all budo/iai martial artists think and you obviously know that. hence why your statements never said "all" or "many" which i can respect to the fullest degree. im sorry for being so rash in my thinking.
@@bbbb-yc1gk I'm sorry what is your name please? I am Mujyo