U.S. AIR FORCE F-4 PHANTOM CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS DELIVERY DIVE BOMBING TRAINING FILM 68924
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This color educational/training film is about the dropping of ordnance from a US Air Force McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom jet. No copyright is on file but this is from the United States Air Force and is circa the late 1960s/early 1970s Vietnam era.
A US Air Force F-4 Phantom jet streaks across the sky. Titles: USAF Audio/Visual presentation - Conventional Weapons Delivery (Bombs) (:08-1:08). An instructor talks to his cadets about Conventional Weapons Delivery. Animation of a F-4 Phantom. The lines that have a bearing on dropping ordnance are the Fuselage Reference Line and the Zero Sight Line. Next is the Launcher line, then the Radar Bore Line. These lines are explained.The angle of attack is explained. Sight setting or total depression are shown and explained. Animation of dive bombing and this is explained in detail. Release Aim Point aka RAP - with wind and without wind is explained and shown in animation (1:09-4:49). Rap target is shown and explained as is release aim point extension. A release at certain feet and angle of 30 degrees is shown in animation and explained. A release at certain feet and angle of 45 degrees is shown in animation and explained. Pickle time, which is releasing the bombs, is explained. G load at an angle of 30 or 45 degrees is explained (4:50-7:50). A teacher's assistant holds a model of an F-4 Phantom on a stick to demonstrate its flying in a few different positions and situations. Animation from the pov of the cockpit. More model footage of the plane moving around. The students look at the instructor as he moves a model plane around. The model is on a stick again being demonstrated (7:51-11:12). RAP and RAPE is explained with wind again in a different scenario. The assistant holds the model plane on a stick and maneuvers it. He shows it follow a trajectory. Another instructor teaches as students sit around a table listening. Students write things down and pay rapt attention. The teacher points at a diagram on the board (11:13-14:35). To avoid a mid-air collision between two planes is a scenario given by the instructor. 30, 45 degree dives and a 10 degree low are next discussed as this is what the students will be doing this day. They get into the mathematic side of things and this is on the board (14:36-16:34). Teacher continues to discuss to the students. 45 degree dive is shown on a blackboard with chalk. Aim off point to the target is discussed. No wind situation at this angle is explained. It is shown and explained in detail (16:35-20:07). F-4 Phantoms take off in tandem down the runway. Pilots faces shown up close. Four jets fly in formation. Air traffic control talks with the jet pilots. Close on the front of one jet. Jets fly and await instructions. Jets slowly break from the formation. Cockpit instrument panel is shown. Jet #1 veers to its left and stays like that. Test of dropping a bomb is shown via a screen in the cockpit (20:08-24:08). Jet #2 veers to its left and stays like that. Test of dropping a bomb is shown via a screen in the cockpit. Air traffic controller looks up from his position. Instrument panel in jet. Jet #3 veers to its left and stays like that at a fast rate. Test of dropping a bomb is shown via a screen in the cockpit. In this case he drops a bomb in a test zone for real. Jet #4 veers to its left. Test of dropping a bomb is shown via a screen in the cockpit and he really drops one in the test zone. Jet practices going in a low angle drop arose the drop zone. Air traffic controller looks up from his position. Close on a jet in the air. Low angle drop for the next jet. Test of dropping a bomb is shown via a screen in the cockpit (24:09-28:16). End credits (28:17-28:24).
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Man I love those videos. Cant wait to soon fly the F-4E in DCS, and try that kinda stuff.
I tried this in DCS with the F-5E, with 5 Mk-82s on an MER on the centerline pylon. Bullseye on a shipping container in the Nevada desert, first bomb! 😃Maybe some beginner's luck, but the concept seems to work. My next 4 bomb runs were off a bit, but better than I had been doing before. I got a couple of those close to the container. There is no flight path line indicator in the F-5E, but you can momentarily cage the sight to the ZSL. So, I would do that and put that approximately on the aim offset point (which I marked by placing a white shipping container about 900' from the red target container in Mission Editor. I was just going to practice the 45-deg dive angle. I just used all the numbers they had in this video. I gotta go try that again! I like the F-5E. It's so simple to operate. I gotta try this with the A-4E, too...see if it pretty much works on any jet aircraft in which the manual bombsight can be set to a depression angle.
Think we are all looking at films like this to figure things out. Using the heck out of the Nevada map for this stuff.
in 10:31 the man with black mustache and black hair is my uncle. The first group of Iranian Royal Airforce F-4 pilots trained in USA before the Islamic revolution.
Was he able to get out or did he participate in the Iran/Iraq war?
I was a backseat Navigator in some of the first F-4E's at Eglin, 1969-71. Many times on the range I counted down the altimeter: "TEN-four--NINE-four--EIGHT-four--SEVEN-four--SIX-four--FIVE-four--Pickle." and just about that fast. Several of the AC's would say: "Don't bother with 'Ready,' because I'm READY."
Fortunately, the stick always came aft after bomb release, usually 6 or 7 G's worth. If it didn't, you'd have only a second or two to worry about it.
We backseaters got into the act in other ways, but this was mostly the AC's show.
I was wondering what the backseaters did in these planes usually did. A skim through the weapons employment manual only got me the word "WSO" or "Pilot" twice, and once was in the glossary!
awesome to hear you were at Eglin! love living here and learning more about the history of this place.
What does an F4 pilot use as a contraceptive? His personality 😁
Hehehe.
BAHHAHHAH😄
I heard this when I was at Castle, "You can always tell a fighter pilot, but you can't tell him much."
lol not sure where that comes from but that funny. Cracked me up
This was filmed at George Afb , Victorville Ca. in the early 1970's. I was stationed there. At 22:27 the tail code is GA. 35th TFW crest on the right intake. When the radio says Cuddieback that was the drylake the base had their weapons range. It was due north of the base up us395 past the edwards afb turnoff at 4 corners. The base used 4 tail codes GA GB GC GD
Awesome info. Didn't the 35th transition to the F-4G and WW tailcodes in the late 70s?
@@hckyplyr9285 The WW came to the base when the F105G's rotated back to the US from Korat. All the 105 wild weasels ended up at George. I left there in early 74 and they we sending low time E models to be converted to G model.
@@ddlem2437 Thanks!
You can go there today. I found a dummy 20mm round. There are huge bomb craters. Just east of Cuddeback Dry Lake. Mythbusters have filmed on the lakebed many times.
Thanks for info. It looked like California high desert. I was just down the road at Edwards and was assigned to the bombing range (PIRA). Knew it wasn't there. Puzzle solved...
That is pretty complicated. It looks so easy in the movies. I was stationed at Davis Monthan AFB (Tucson) in 1966-67 after Vietnam. I loaded those practice bombs and gun pods for these crews. At the time, we had 70-80 F-4's based there for weapons delivery training. It's nice to see this training. From DMAFB, the F-4 crews went to Vietnam. This bombing range was at Yuma, AZ.
Paul Searls - Good to see another 462 enjoying these historical films. I was behind you by a decade. Worked F-4Es at Hahn AB West Germany in the early 80s. Like you, cranked a lot of BDU-33s and MK-106s into SUU-21s!
Thanks, Daniel. Stay well, brother.
Haha YT showing me F-4 Content because of the Pantom release in DCS :)
Living proof that if you put enough thrust behind something, even a brick will fly.
No kidding. The Thud with a full bomb load was faster in mil power than a Phantom loaded for air to air. The Phantoms had to stay in zone 1-2 burner to keep up.
I taught the F4 Weapons Control System for several years. We showed this film every block class on the bombing system.
I thought it was like video games and a huge target indicator appear on the ground
I wonder if Periscope Films has the films for using the Sidewinder and Sparrow AAMs?
Chuck Horner described this as fraud . The pilots were more accurate by eye rather than using the system
I'm glad I'm not in this class. I'd be giggling over the acronym of "Release Aim Point Extension".
they really could have picked a better way to name that
I'd love to see the training films for dropping special-stores.
This presentation is reasonably accurate; however, contains a number of inaccuracies. Furthermore, it is useless in combat when there are no concentric circles around the target as on a traditional training range.
If you wish to actually learn about this rather arcane subject,, find the fall 1971 issue of the USAF Fighter Weapons Review and study Initial Pipper Position written nearby 50 years ago. Another source is the book, "Fun Foolishness, and Frivolity Flying Fighters" by Alexander H.C. Harwick.
Exactly: the sneaky North Vietnamese quickly learned to STOP drawing concentric circles around their key facilities... ;-)
Dammit! So darned annoying they don't have those bullseyes.
@Alex Harwick I was able to find a copy of your book on ebay. Do you have a digital copy of the fall 1971 issue of the USAF Fighter Weapons Review that I could see? I am an old F-4E Crew Chief.
Of course, fun foolishness and frivolity have no place in combat so the book is worthless. Find a better aviation book to read.... ;)
Shawana Washington
He’s mates with John Titor.
Good teamwork in the cockpit... Though I like the missed master arm switch.
Lotta' chatter. These are practice runs, single bomb. Dropping a string, say of six, I sector bombed based on drift and always made sure pipper was short of shack. Kinda like bombing a runway at an angle rather than straight down the pipe to insure at least some cratering. I forget the actual formula for angle on runway. Also, in SEA and later years the F-4 had a Dive Toss system...never a big fan. Later, LGBs and Maverick. Loved the gun. Even had a 30mm pod that could be strapped on centerline. I suggested mounting it backwards and use it for added thrust.
@@lesmoore2982 lol
@@lesmoore2982 f4c?
This is great: I'm trying to learn the F-4 on flight simulator... ;)
Remember to do barrel rolls to attack migs, keep the energy up.
May I ask what sim?
@@lscurtis9158 Was on P3D but I've moved on to MSFS. I'm a great real-world general aviation pilot. Every time I try an "authentic model" fighter jet, I'm reminded why it takes a lot of training to fly one properly.
@@Senor0Droolcup Yep.
No wonder these guys have to be smart.
love the sound of those engines, nothing like it @25:00
I don't see how anyone could learn to lay bombs on a target from watching this video. If you already knew. how, I could see this video being a refresh of the important things to monitor.
The instructor looks like tim conway
Long hair! Fighter jocks don't do that today. These guys look like Hollywood actors. God I hated the seventies. Hey my pop was an F4 pilot!
The desert bombing scenes appears to be the gunnery range just east of Cuddeback Dry Lake. Target 2 is the North target. Target 1 is the south target. They are still there and can be seen on google maps.
When I got to see an F-4 Phantom first I could not believe how long they were the curator their own it was 48 ft long
Always liked the Phantom, mean looking bird, even standing still.
This is really cool! I remember the Phantoms flying over my school when I was a kid in the 1970s and early 1980s in Las Vegas. I didn’t live far from Nellis AFB. Usually once a year, some Navy Phantoms would show up for a couple of weeks. I thought the Navy Phantoms were cool because of their grey paint scheme with colorful markings.
If Tom Cruise decides to tell the story of Maverick's dad, Duke Mitchell in a Top Gun prequel, instruction films like this will become invaluable source material.
Holy cow what memories this evoked! Spent 6 years at GAFB from the 21st to the 562nd to the 561st. Cuddy, Superior Valley and Tonopah were all in the backyard I have no idea how many little blue bombs I dumped on those targets. Like riding a bike, could probably to it tomorrow 6 @ 6. LOL.
F-4C and F-4E estão no Warthunder
why does the G load have to be less than 1?
23:46 Pipper was most definiteyl NOT right on - they were about 50 yds to the left.
It’s old airplane f4
The cool stuff starts at 23:00.
10:02 Try saying “quicker pipper placement” quickly 3 times.
Around 22:58 when they are doing the switches the video looks like a side by side aircraft like a intruder, no????
Time to learn this stuff so I can bomb from 3k meters
most of those guys used guestimation
3:17 im sorry to get what? 😂😂😂
I take it they weren't that accurate or it was too dangerous as ground fire got better since the smart bomb came into being
They were accurate compared to what came before, when you needed to drop hundreds of bombs and hope a few hit the factory you were aiming for. They measured the CEP into which half the bombs feel in miles. And considered that pinpoint accuracy from the new high tech Norden sight (and to be fair, early RAF bombing missions frequently missed the entire city, and they only solved the problem by deciding that entire sectors of the city were fair targets and simply carpeted them with bombs assuming some would hit valuable targets and the ones that landed in residei areas were also okay, since they were "dehousing" workers - because obviously they would bet ever target the civilians themselves, just the houses).And that was on the test range. The problem was partly that they lost to many planes to radar guided AAA, and partly that the accuracy got worse when the pilots were being shot at. Collateral damage also became a consideration. The fact that many targets required a direct hit, which was not easy even with these systems. Mostly the desire to keep the number of sorties over highly defended and protected targets down. They still considered cluster and iron bombs the go to weapon with guided bombs and missiles being for special targets. right up to the second Iraq war, when civilian deaths became a major political liability, since the war was basically illegal to start with (pretty much exactly what we are condemning Putin for today). They used some guided weapons in the first war, but iron bombs were still the most common. Cheaper guided bombs and better, cheaper and more widespread laser designators allowed wider use, but the cheap and effective nature is the JDAM and the effectiveness of modern GPS really allowed them to use them widely.
THERE HE IS MR.PHANTOM WING TIPS
The way he wrote at 7:30 😂😂
Why not just make it easy? Approach your target straight on (preferably from a direction that’s not easy for the enemy to fire back) with a level flight angle and drop it like a bomber. Still observing rate of fall and wind direction. You would just drop a lot sooner than a bomber because of the low level flight and faster speed. Obviously you’d want to be far enough away when it explodes so a minimum needed altitude would need to be kept.
Well, how do you aim then?
You are right. Amazing they never considered that. To bad you weren't there to educate them in the best way to fly combat sorties.
@@justforever96 Sarcasm received Lima Charlie 🤨😁
Wow, thank goodness I was groundcrew, this is all double Dutch to me, it’s an alphabet soup.
I would not have sold my F-4 Phantom if I knew how to dive bomb!
You had an F4 phantom?
@@lscurtis9158 No. But in this day and age I guess it could be possible.
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I like it, because I think there was no one in the classroom who was able to comprehend this bullshit :-) ...I'm ok with physics, forces, gravity... etc... but that description does not make any sense, imho...
all you need is some physics - physics of throws, or ballistics... speed, angle, mass, vectors... not that bullshit!
Are you a pilot?
These aircraft cost 2.5 million in '65, a 500lb unguided bomb cost $700 in '65, all to blow up another wang bhang tree farm. What a waste!
Every bomb dropped in VN saved at least one soldier from being shot or killed.
Steve Homeir, xactly
Hey those cabbage patches and bamboo bridges were the real high value targets. Don't forget them.
No one was more frustrated by the paltry "targets" (often empty jungle) and ROE than the pilots themselves. They knew they were dying for largely worthless targets that had already been struck 50 times before. Rolling Thunder in early 68 and Linebacker were different but mostly it was a giant waste.
@@KB4QAA - you've no evidence of that.
Its ok at least communists didnt take power. Oh wait
Funny that film from the 60s looks better than alot of digital videos