I MADE A MISTAKE! Sports Basement Will always give you your FULL REFUND at any time, regardless of anything. NOT PRO-RATED. Their whole deal is they really, genuinely want you to love your purchase. Only caveat is that refunds are dependent on proof of purchase, but if you're a Basementeer they email your receipts for you, so that's pretty covered. Check them out: bit.ly/2Y8T0sN TNF One Bag: geni.us/ZByS
@@BatCaveOz dont know about them, but im disappointed as theyre sold out, and would have been less than half the australian retail price(then add shipping and duties). still, i dare say still would have been much cheaper.
Bought a North Face 4 season down sleeping bag in California 1980 for $250. Used it loads..zipper broke and down filling thinned over time. In 1995 sent it to North Face importer in UK (am English) and they replaced zip,re-filled and returned it two weeks later for a token charge of £20. Still using the bag now! Literally a bag for life. AMAZING.
That is amazing! I love gear that has been a lot of places with me. And I even like it when it looks like it’s been used a lot. Don’t know what it is. But feels good! I also like new gear. Lol
Man you make some of the highest quality reviews and videos about camping and backpacking. I really appreciate the lack of hyperbolic takes and clickbait titles and formats that your videos have in the current landscape of RUclips. Keep it up ❤
I picked this up for $60 at close out at my local North Face store today! The features in this are amazing. Glow in the dark zipper pulls, the bigger box in the feet section, the reversible stuff sack, and the way the hood is fit to keep your pillow from wandering away are all sweet. For $60 I have absolutely zero complaints.
This, sir, is a fantastic video. Love that you are plugging a small retailer! And this seems like a cool idea from North Face. I wondered if the one issue was the weight as soon as I saw the zipper system. Crazy how much difference a zipper can make when you're counting grams so closely. Thanks for sharing!
I want to know just how heavy zippers are? Like a general once per foot guideline. They seem like they shouldn’t weigh too much, but I guess they are mostly metal. Thanks as always
Thank you for a fantastic review! I managed to find this new for $60 at a NF outlet, and couldn't pass it up. I have been looking for the comfort ratings so greatly appreciated you included these details on the video! To remove remove the layers from the bag, bring the zippers of either layer around the U shaped zipper to the left 'neck' where the zipper can come off the track. I missed this at first and it took me longer to figure out than it should have, so hopefully this helps someone else too 😅
Everytime I watch one of your videos I think to myself, why does this guy not have more subscribers? Your videos are top notch. Especially appreciate the LOTR plug 😂
For as many views, I saw more of this guy’s face than the bag. This is a great review, though. Thanks for doing it! I’ll be using this in my rooftop tent so I think this is perfect for me!
You could use a regular inflatable pillow and throw it in that case as a pillow case. Actually amazing that they added that fleece. I use a separate fleece pillow case for my pillow and it's amazing for cold weather.
Just found your channel as I've been looking for a new tent for back country fly fishing and have to say it's one of my favorite. I like how upfront you are and supporting the small guys is a nice touch.
It looks like a pretty convenient bag and I like the idea of supporting small businesses. I’ve gone the quilt route, and have 2, both from different cottage co. 3 packs from cottage co. and a cottage co tent. Thanks for all of your content.
You may not have intended this but it dawned on me while reading your comment that while I’m asking for everyone to support a smaller retailer it’s by buying a bag from a large corporation. 🤔
Cool concept, and i dont think 1.6kg for a -15°C sleeping bag is that bad tbh. I have even been considering to order a sowing machine and some materials so i can make something like this (and other things) myself. Hoping we will see more like this in the future. Maybe ideally one that is only synthetic, as i have experienced down being somewhat tricky to spread evenly inside the chambers, which have made me freeze on a summer night (in southern Norway), in a quilt that seemed "adequate" for around 2 or 3°C (i woke up pretty cold after some hours, when the temps had dropped to -2°C below freezing)...
I love my one-bag. The zipper weight and the make up of insulated layers and stuff sack.... yeah, I agree. BUT, I've had multiple 'bags and for Nov-Dec and then April-May and August thru to Oct in NY - I'm sure you can beat it - but I love it. Addendum, I don't use the stuff sack, it holds my mobile phone cables at home; saves me weight and saves me losing my cables.
Well that sucks for the small retailer because I just went on there even with their 10% off I’m spending 315 go to REI or even the actual North face site and it’s pennies and your spending 250 I don’t get it small retailer. Obviously it’s not you Steve. You’re great at what you’re doing so keep it up.
Of course you had me at the Lord of the Rings reference, but my favorite part of the video (from an entertainment standpoint) was the short little superhero shot. When you mentioned it you took me back to my elementary days, wishing there was a better way to turn my towel into a cape than just tying it around my neck. From an informational standpoint, stellar as always. Keep up the outstanding work.
After trying this bag, two potential down sides. Now you have two zippers to get in and out if using both layers on top, and the zippers have no sewn in guard fabric to keep the zipper from chewing up the bag liner. But it's sorta nice to have one bag that does both temps, since I don't backpack or camp all that often. I also don't think the down baffles are all that great, the down is allowed to clump in spots because of how big the baffling is.
I just purchased this bag and noticed the same thing with the down clumping up and causing gaps. Is there a way to fix this and spread out some of the down?
The first time I unzipped this bag it got off track and the zipper broke. The zipper is horrible. Brought it back to REI and they went to switch it out, tested the zipper for me, it not only snagged, it got off track and they could not fix it. I wanted to love this bag because its down and versatile. I wound up getting a Marmot bag which was made a hell of a lot better.
Great video. I think for 99% of us this is a hit. Me personally I'd use it as a 40 or a 20 I really dont see me doing much camping at 5 degrees. And if I did do 5 degrees it would be a shorter weekend type trip. Its not like Id be doing the AT in 5 degrees.
I agree, but it’s nice to have the option. I think it’s a great solution for the person who might hit 5° once every 3 years or so. If your camping that cold only so often this bag makes sense to buy. Or even if you just want to possibility. Thanks for watching!
Glad they went with synthetic layers. I'd much rather carry a very manageable little bit of extra weight and know if I get soaked / my bag gets soaked I won't freeze to death because it'll still insulate me. Lighter doesn't mean better. This modern weight obsession needs to cool down...
I mean I have NEVER had a soaked bag , I've had it get wet in places plenty of times if water ever gets into the tent floor but never soaked . It's not impossible though. But I di think light weight is important, weight can add up fast in a bag, The more weight you can cut on necessities, better time you're going to have on trail,
@@Redfiregtag In the UK, with constant rain, high humidity and lack of fires (illegal in England and Wales, and rarely a reliable option in Scotland due to the mostly barren landscape) any trips outside of summer longer than a few days usually have my bag very damp all the way through. Just gets impossible to keep kit dry at that point. If I'm going trekking abroad, however, it's a completely different story. I'm happy with trail runners, lightweight shelters and the bare minimum. Unfortunately, the UL game just isn't suited for the UK. Agreed that hiking with less weight is a much more pleasant experience, but hiking is a physical activity and I'd say people should focus more on training to be physically fit enough to carry reasonable weight before jumping into pricey UL gear as many do.
@elliottwright3772 thats crazy , I didn't know you couldn't have fires in UK, but everything you said makes total sense. I imagine in that case I'd want a Synthetic as well. Truthfully, Synthetic technologies come a long way, I just haven't personally tried any. I agree 100% about people sould make sure they are fit enough to do normal weight hikes before investing alot in to lighter gear
Very nice review ! The versatility of this sleeping bag remind me of the multifunctional tent Qaou. I'd love to see more review of those versatile product from you :)
You are Correct, it’s way too heavy. I have a Dana designs backpack that is about 20 years old. It is the most comfortable pack that I own. It will hold the most with an internal frame. The reason that I don’t use it is because it weighs 5 pounds and 8 ounces. My dyneema liteAF is 1# 9 ounces framed. It’s a no brainer. This bag is in the same category. Although it’s great to see manufacturers trying new ideas, this won’t work for me and I assume other thru hikers. It Sounds good for car camping. Happy trails.
Seems like this might be a great choice for the occasional outdoors person, gets out a couple of times a year in different seasons. But as soon as you do a lot of this stuff, you can spend about 2x and get the right quilt or bag for the season across all three seasons - to your point, without necessarily sacrificing versatility. And if you get out a lot, saving a pound over say, thirty nights a year (which isn't even a big number) would come down to about $5 per trip for that pound of savings. Oh, and congrats on the channel's great growth the last 6 months; your quality work is deserving of the reward!
I agree, if you want versatility for occasional hikes. This is great. Most serious backpackers won’t be able to stop at one bag. Lol. Thanks as always.
This is no longer available, but! we learned one thing: We can layer a quilt over a sleeping bag (or get an outter sleeping bag 2 sizes bigger). I have a decathlon 5ºC (40F) bag, and one day i used a friend's 0ºC (32F) Quilt over it, and was able to be perfectly comfortable in a night of -10 ºC (20F). I also used a DIY fleece liner that I regularly use which I'd say give me an extra 2/3ºC below my bag's comfort limit.
I have this bag. I really like it. I live in North Dakota and I use it year round. It is heavy and bulky but it is totally worth it if you need the variability and you're on a budget.
I do love this bag its super comfortable and feels great to sleep on, im a husky dude at 300 lbs and i fit perfectly in this thing , but of course the only downside as he stated is its just a heavy bag , and bulky , i really like backpacking with only a 35 l backpack and i can only really take this sleeping bag when im going with my wife Because she can help carry some of the camp supplies, But if i'm going solo I can't fit sleeping bag plus all my other gear and a 35 l , so i end up taking a down quilt , and strap a cheap Synthetic quilt on the outside of my bag incase i get to cold
My solution was to add to my Western Mountaineering 40 degree summer bag a 40 degree quilt in combination with a Sea to Summit thermolite liner. This 900 fill bag and quilt compress extremely small and weigh very little. I use them in combination for colder nights but don't really know how cold the rating would be. But since I don't do any extreme cold tenting I feel these serve my purposes without weighing me down too much or creating too much bulk.
Sounds like a good option! According to EE two 40° should get you to about 10° and the liner should add a few more. support.enlightenedequipment.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002770588-How-to-layer-quilts-for-sub-zero-camping
I wish they had put the second zipper on the down top, that way, if you ever do double up the tops you only have to deal with one zipper pull at a time. I don't find my bag roomy enough to do the gymnastics required to zip both sides, of both zippers, either, so I would have liked for them to have made a way to fasten the zipper pull on one side or the other once zipped *trying to slide both pulls together just ends up with one or both pulls gathering some fabric in and jamming. I'd like to see the foot box and knee area a bit wider too. And, finally, there's no way to vent your feet on those nights where you're in between and a little too warm - those could have been added to the main/bottom bag... I find these issues more of an issue than the weight, given that I get way better performance from this bag than I did the older/cheaper/heavier one it replaced. I'd give it a six and a half out of ten, on an average day, and a nine out of ten on that one night that I finally need all three pieces together. ;)
All valid concerns! I originally thought the zippers could be arranged better so that you could leave more zipper behind when taking it in different configurations. But ultimately decided it wouldn’t have helped on the weight. But I understand you concern too. As I mentioned I haven’t slept in it with all the layers so I never had to deal with two zippers at once. Seems that will only be an issue less than 1/3 of the time you use this bag. And I noticed the zippers do snag, but no more than any other bag I’ve used. Which is why I didn’t bring that up. The feet vent is an issue I missed! Thank you for bringing it to my attention and thanks for a great thoughtful and helpful comment.
Three years later. Would you still recommend this as a good sleeping bag? I'm shopping around for a bag to take on a week long rocky mountain back country hunt where temps can range from 60°f down to 15°f at any given day. Your videos have become my go too source of information on these sleeping bags.
Great review! Or you can get katabatic fex 20 or hummocgear burrow that would be warmer, more flexible, significantly lighter, similarly priced and supporting small manufacturer rather than North Face
I agree you can get the same flexibility from a quilt or layering quilts. That’s why I pointed that out towards the end. But if you prefer sleeping bags there’s not much as versatile as the one bag. The irony of promoting a smaller retailer by promoting a large manufacturer was lost on me till a moment ago. 🤷🏼♂️. Thanks for watching!
Kind of late but... since they still are for sale in various outdoor stores!! Is it possible to have the "base layer" and "warmest layer" together without the middle one?? Thanks and yes, great review!!
Excellent review. I've been a bit of a North Face fanboy forever... but since moving to Australia... it gets a little sketchy. (They block 3rd party retailers in places like Canada & US from exporting their products to Australia). To purchase the One Bag in US is $290US (about $390AUS). To purchase the One Bag in Australia is $600AUS (about $450US). Some people could possible view this as a *restrictive trade practice*, or similar. 🤔 Fortunately, I have family in Canada & USA... but being expected to pay an extra $160US for the exact same product kind of sucks.
@@MyLifeOutdoors - For camping/hiking/expedition gear, in my own experience... it has only ever been TNF. For other sporting equipment, I recall similar issues with Nike when putting through a bulk order (to reduce impacts of shipping fees) via Eastbay and other sites that supply multiple brands. Adidas/Under Armor/New Balance etc. have always been OK.
Oooops, there on reflection, there are some other companies that have also refused shipment to Australia... including Roots & Mountain Equipment Co-op. (I understand that Mountain Equipment Co-op got bought out and rebranded as Mountain Equipment Company last year... their policies may have changed)
Honestly this feels like a gimmicky version of my two quilts. One 40° synthetic and one 20° down quilt just like you mentioned with the combined rating of apparently -10° which I haven't had a chance to confirm and may never get the chance. Your sleep system is worth the money. This bag is about the cost of a high quality 20° down quilt which will cover a lot of situations on its own. Up until this year that's all I'd been using. But quilts aren't for everyone. The big issue with this I see is that when I used mummy bags I would rotate the bag with me so that I wasn't breathing into the bag while I slept. You can't do that with this system since the bottom is lightly insulated. So if you're a back sleeper I could see it being an option. But for the price and weight you'd be better off getting a quality bag and using it quilt style in warm weather or going the quilt route IMO.
I don’t disagree. That’s why I mentioned that a quilt could basically do the same for less weight. But if you prefer bags I don’t know of anything else that is quite this versatile. I am not a back sleeper and didn’t adopt quilts till later. I turn in my sleeping bag and I’ve turned in this one. If it’s cold enough I prefer to tuck my head in too. So i didn’t experience any problems. But maybe that’s just me. Thanks for watching!
I have a military bag with 3 parts , two bags and one bivy, works great but all 3 combined is about ten pounds so deff good on a camping trip , not so much on a thru hike or backpacking trip .
In the context of as-universal-as-it-gets sleeping solutions, I'd like to share my tips - Helikon Tex Swagman Roll, and Carinthia Defence 4. Lot's of ads and reviews on RUclips. Official and unofficial. Swagman Roll is THE bag! And not only bag☝️
Hey goat :) Please say what do you think about inlets/ inlays for sleeping bags? Would you say yes, use it to extend the life span of the sleeping bag? Or no because it weighs too much?
I find it very strange that sleeping systems are not common. All that is required is appropriate sizing and zippers. This is easy to achieve. I will do something like that but using cheaper sleeping bangs and quilts. For car camping weight is not a problem and the idea of layering is wise
Another fantastic video A quick question, I couldn't find an Sports Basement locations in WA State (which I believe you are based in). Do you buy all your SB stuff online, and how is the return process online vs in person? They sound awesome, btw
Thanks. They only have brick and mortar in the San Francisco Bay Area. So yes I buy online. I’ve actually have not returned anything to them which is probably evident by the fact I got their return policy wrong. They don’t pro-rate like I claimed. They will give you a full refund at anytime. With proof of purchase. I believe they deduct the cost of shipping from your return. But it’s still an amazing return policy
Nicely done Steven! I personally would never buy this b/c of the weight and prob wouldn't recommend it to any backpackers but for car campers or maybe even glampers this might do the trick. The design is ingenious but definitely flawed based on what you pointed out in the video. Instead of having 3 separate zippers they could've had one zipper pull with 3 ports. I agree about making everything down but the additional zippers add additional snag points. I would say UGQ or EE should take note but they don't need to make something to compete. Why make a layering system when they can charge for 2 (or 3) full sized quilts? Especially when they'll most likely be lighter individually. For backpackers this item isn't it, but the ingenuity is def cool.
Many years ago my friends from Switzerland had down comforters that were 2 layers that, if need be, you could button together in really cold conditions. Nothing new.
I want this bag, but the weight is what is holding me back. My synthetic bag is lighter and the primary reason I’m looking for a secondary bag, the weight is primary to my requirements.
Yes. It’s intended to be the top layer. So for 5° it’s synthetic on top, down in middle, synthetic on your back. For 20° just synthetic back and down top, for 40° synthetic back and synthetic top. Hope that’s clear?
No unfortunately it’s not. I typically replace them with a compression dry sack from sea to summit. Then I’ll use the dry bag to hang food in at night.
I wondered if it was possible to use 2 sleeping bags together. I was thinking this may work for a thru-hiker to have 2 bags together and then simply ditch a cheap one as it got warmer instead of sending one home and having another one sent out.
You can certainly use two quilts together. Or a sleeping bag and a liner. I would worry two sleeping bags one inside the other could compress the insulation on both leaving the less effective. Maybe if you got inside one and draped the other one open on top. That might work. Thanks for watching!
Nothing new here. It’s been (re-) invented many times. The basic problems remain: too many zips, too heavy and inefficient. TNF, once a market leader in high quality outdoor equipment, is now just another tacky fashion house. There are a lot of companies producing better products at better prices.
where did you get one? I can't find one in stock from the link. I live in Canada though so maybe I just got that message because they don't ship here or something
@@nolannahdee1477 REI, a local chain, was $224. Good bag! Warm probably down to 32/0 in full, I doubt the advertised 5 Fahrenheit, that must be survival temp. Very well made but no pockets.
"But the one bad doesn't even cost $300, at sports basement it's just $289. That's like getting 3 bags..." If I act now how many free steak knives do I get? When did this become an infomercial?
I mean I said it’s sponsored by sports basement. If I didn’t think $300 was a good deal for 3 different temp ratings I wouldn’t have said it. I hope the fact that I said you can basically achieve the same thing with a quilt speaks to my credibility. If all I wanted to do was sell the bag I wouldn’t have mentioned that. Or any con. It is in my best interest to build trust over sales. If I don’t build trust this won’t last long. Are you not interested in saving the $11? Or you just don’t like the way I said it? Or you prefer I continue to spend my own money to produce high quality time intensive videos? No Sarcasm. These are honest questions. I’m glad your here, glad you commented. Help me make a better channel.
@@MyLifeOutdoors I'm ok with sponsored videos, dogs gotta eat. You put in an amazing amount of effort to your videos, I appreciate that and you should absolutely reap the rewards. Certainly to some extent I'm just razing you. But on the other hand, the way you said that line absolutely made it sound like an infomercial. In your previous videos you would have described the price as "around $300" or just stated the price. I don't know if that line came from you or sports basement but it felt a bit icky. Particularly compared to your usual style which is so upfront (which is so refreshing). Sure $11 under $300 isn't $300 but it isn't that big a difference to warrant that kind of a line. It's still very much in the general ballpark of $300. At $300 it seems like it would probably be a decent sleeping bag, so there really wasn't a need to quibble over $11. Do I get the steak knives now? 🙃
@@tjmarx Glad you responded! Sports basement didn’t give me complete freedom without any guidance. They wanted my authentic opinion. (To their detriment. I got their return policy wrong. You can return items at any time for a full refund.) So all the wording was my own. I’ll admit I am excited to work with them and hope to do so in the future. So I was putting in extra effort. That maybe where it started to sound funky. At the risk of going to far I legitimately think they are doing things well. Besides their return policy I believe they will price match at any time. From what I know I think they deserve some love. But I will say this conversation will be in my mind the next time I do a sponsored video. Thanks again.
FFS the weight of the bag is not some secret you only find out about after you buy the damn thing. It's not a hard-core weight-weeny backpackers bag and doesn't pretend to be.
Who or what is on your right?? Are you being forced to make these videos against your will? Why do you keep glancing over there? Do they have a gun? Blink twice if you need help!
I MADE A MISTAKE! Sports Basement Will always give you your FULL REFUND at any time, regardless of anything. NOT PRO-RATED. Their whole deal is they really, genuinely want you to love your purchase. Only caveat is that refunds are dependent on proof of purchase, but if you're a Basementeer they email your receipts for you, so that's pretty covered. Check them out: bit.ly/2Y8T0sN
TNF One Bag: geni.us/ZByS
I’m disappointed
@@cerealisop2337 Legit question - Why does this cause you disappointed?
@@BatCaveOz dont know about them, but im disappointed as theyre sold out, and would have been less than half the australian retail price(then add shipping and duties).
still, i dare say still would have been much cheaper.
Thanks for adding the temp in degrees Celsius…👍🏼
I’m trying! Thanks for noticing.
@@MyLifeOutdoors and weight in grams lol
@@MyLifeOutdoors absolute gent. Thank you
First thing I noticed too, it's awesome, thx 👍
Bought a North Face 4 season down sleeping bag in California 1980 for $250. Used it loads..zipper broke and down filling thinned over time. In 1995 sent it to North Face importer in UK (am English) and they replaced zip,re-filled and returned it two weeks later for a token charge of £20. Still using the bag now! Literally a bag for life. AMAZING.
That is amazing! I love gear that has been a lot of places with me. And I even like it when it looks like it’s been used a lot. Don’t know what it is. But feels good!
I also like new gear. Lol
Man you make some of the highest quality reviews and videos about camping and backpacking. I really appreciate the lack of hyperbolic takes and clickbait titles and formats that your videos have in the current landscape of RUclips. Keep it up ❤
I appreciate that! I’m working hard to produce the best videos I can. Thanks for watching!
I picked this up for $60 at close out at my local North Face store today! The features in this are amazing. Glow in the dark zipper pulls, the bigger box in the feet section, the reversible stuff sack, and the way the hood is fit to keep your pillow from wandering away are all sweet. For $60 I have absolutely zero complaints.
Was that the synthetic or down version? Is there only a down version?
@@BrooklynWindlow This bag has both down and synthetic. The yellow portion is down I believe. I do not think they made an all down version.
I just bought it for $85 at our local North Face Outlet. Too good to pass up.
I just used it in its 20 degree config last night on a trip. The back is a champion
This, sir, is a fantastic video. Love that you are plugging a small retailer! And this seems like a cool idea from North Face. I wondered if the one issue was the weight as soon as I saw the zipper system. Crazy how much difference a zipper can make when you're counting grams so closely. Thanks for sharing!
I want to know just how heavy zippers are? Like a general once per foot guideline. They seem like they shouldn’t weigh too much, but I guess they are mostly metal. Thanks as always
Thank you for a fantastic review! I managed to find this new for $60 at a NF outlet, and couldn't pass it up. I have been looking for the comfort ratings so greatly appreciated you included these details on the video!
To remove remove the layers from the bag, bring the zippers of either layer around the U shaped zipper to the left 'neck' where the zipper can come off the track. I missed this at first and it took me longer to figure out than it should have, so hopefully this helps someone else too 😅
Everytime I watch one of your videos I think to myself, why does this guy not have more subscribers? Your videos are top notch. Especially appreciate the LOTR plug 😂
I appreciate and share your concern 😆. I’m growing faster and faster thanks to people like you!
Best review of this bag out there. The North Face gave us the best bang for the buck bag here. The shawl and pillow option make it even more useful.
For as many views, I saw more of this guy’s face than the bag. This is a great review, though. Thanks for doing it! I’ll be using this in my rooftop tent so I think this is perfect for me!
You could use a regular inflatable pillow and throw it in that case as a pillow case. Actually amazing that they added that fleece. I use a separate fleece pillow case for my pillow and it's amazing for cold weather.
Just found your channel as I've been looking for a new tent for back country fly fishing and have to say it's one of my favorite. I like how upfront you are and supporting the small guys is a nice touch.
Thanks! I’m glad you are here! What tents are you considering?
It looks like a pretty convenient bag and I like the idea of supporting small businesses. I’ve gone the quilt route, and have 2, both from different cottage co. 3 packs from cottage co. and a cottage co tent. Thanks for all of your content.
You may not have intended this but it dawned on me while reading your comment that while I’m asking for everyone to support a smaller retailer it’s by buying a bag from a large corporation. 🤔
MyLifeOutdoors I guess it’s the teacher in me. The best learning is through discovery. Thanks for the observation.
Got one the other day. So excited to try it out. Great review. Thanks
I hope you love it! Thanks for watching
Cool concept, and i dont think 1.6kg for a -15°C sleeping bag is that bad tbh. I have even been considering to order a sowing machine and some materials so i can make something like this (and other things) myself. Hoping we will see more like this in the future. Maybe ideally one that is only synthetic, as i have experienced down being somewhat tricky to spread evenly inside the chambers, which have made me freeze on a summer night (in southern Norway), in a quilt that seemed "adequate" for around 2 or 3°C (i woke up pretty cold after some hours, when the temps had dropped to -2°C below freezing)...
among so many you tubers you are one of few very good! First to say goat 🤩
Great and fair review. I think it's tough to find a perfect bag, and weight is often the sacrifice for versatility. Thanks for another great one, MLO!
I love my one-bag. The zipper weight and the make up of insulated layers and stuff sack.... yeah, I agree. BUT, I've had multiple 'bags and for Nov-Dec and then April-May and August thru to Oct in NY - I'm sure you can beat it - but I love it. Addendum, I don't use the stuff sack, it holds my mobile phone cables at home; saves me weight and saves me losing my cables.
Well that sucks for the small retailer because I just went on there even with their 10% off I’m spending 315 go to REI or even the actual North face site and it’s pennies and your spending 250 I don’t get it small retailer. Obviously it’s not you Steve. You’re great at what you’re doing so keep it up.
Of course you had me at the Lord of the Rings reference, but my favorite part of the video (from an entertainment standpoint) was the short little superhero shot. When you mentioned it you took me back to my elementary days, wishing there was a better way to turn my towel into a cape than just tying it around my neck.
From an informational standpoint, stellar as always. Keep up the outstanding work.
Thanks! I was proud of the super hero bit!
After trying this bag, two potential down sides. Now you have two zippers to get in and out if using both layers on top, and the zippers have no sewn in guard fabric to keep the zipper from chewing up the bag liner. But it's sorta nice to have one bag that does both temps, since I don't backpack or camp all that often. I also don't think the down baffles are all that great, the down is allowed to clump in spots because of how big the baffling is.
I just purchased this bag and noticed the same thing with the down clumping up and causing gaps. Is there a way to fix this and spread out some of the down?
The first time I unzipped this bag it got off track and the zipper broke. The zipper is horrible. Brought it back to REI and they went to switch it out, tested the zipper for me, it not only snagged, it got off track and they could not fix it. I wanted to love this bag because its down and versatile. I wound up getting a Marmot bag which was made a hell of a lot better.
Great video. I think for 99% of us this is a hit. Me personally I'd use it as a 40 or a 20 I really dont see me doing much camping at 5 degrees. And if I did do 5 degrees it would be a shorter weekend type trip. Its not like Id be doing the AT in 5 degrees.
I agree, but it’s nice to have the option. I think it’s a great solution for the person who might hit 5° once every 3 years or so. If your camping that cold only so often this bag makes sense to buy. Or even if you just want to possibility. Thanks for watching!
I love your topics that you make in your videos, such choice !
I lived in the City for 32 years. Sports Basement is awesome and also has great sale items off season.
I am a simple man: I see LOTR -> I subscribe
Love the review! I got mine at sierra for 150! so worth it
The effects are a nice touch :)))
Thanks!
You are SO creative! Sets you apart within the backpacking video community 🔥
Thanks!
Thank you for the compliment! And thanks for watching
Glad they went with synthetic layers. I'd much rather carry a very manageable little bit of extra weight and know if I get soaked / my bag gets soaked I won't freeze to death because it'll still insulate me. Lighter doesn't mean better. This modern weight obsession needs to cool down...
I mean I have NEVER had a soaked bag , I've had it get wet in places plenty of times if water ever gets into the tent floor but never soaked . It's not impossible though. But I di think light weight is important, weight can add up fast in a bag, The more weight you can cut on necessities, better time you're going to have on trail,
@@Redfiregtag In the UK, with constant rain, high humidity and lack of fires (illegal in England and Wales, and rarely a reliable option in Scotland due to the mostly barren landscape) any trips outside of summer longer than a few days usually have my bag very damp all the way through. Just gets impossible to keep kit dry at that point. If I'm going trekking abroad, however, it's a completely different story. I'm happy with trail runners, lightweight shelters and the bare minimum. Unfortunately, the UL game just isn't suited for the UK. Agreed that hiking with less weight is a much more pleasant experience, but hiking is a physical activity and I'd say people should focus more on training to be physically fit enough to carry reasonable weight before jumping into pricey UL gear as many do.
@elliottwright3772 thats crazy , I didn't know you couldn't have fires in UK, but everything you said makes total sense. I imagine in that case I'd want a Synthetic as well. Truthfully, Synthetic technologies come a long way, I just haven't personally tried any. I agree 100% about people sould make sure they are fit enough to do normal weight hikes before investing alot in to lighter gear
Very nice review ! The versatility of this sleeping bag remind me of the multifunctional tent Qaou. I'd love to see more review of those versatile product from you :)
Loved the review and the lord of the rings reference...Definitely gonna be checking out Sports Basement.
Thanks. I appreciate the support!
You are Correct, it’s way too heavy. I have a Dana designs backpack that is about 20 years old. It is the most comfortable pack that I own. It will hold the most with an internal frame. The reason that I don’t use it is because it weighs 5 pounds and 8 ounces. My dyneema liteAF is 1# 9 ounces framed. It’s a no brainer. This bag is in the same category. Although it’s great to see manufacturers trying new ideas, this won’t work for me and I assume other thru hikers. It Sounds good for car camping. Happy trails.
I bought one at REI earlier this year and it was only $170 USD. I actually haven't opened until now. I had to see how to use it 😃
Thanks for the review.
Seems like this might be a great choice for the occasional outdoors person, gets out a couple of times a year in different seasons. But as soon as you do a lot of this stuff, you can spend about 2x and get the right quilt or bag for the season across all three seasons - to your point, without necessarily sacrificing versatility. And if you get out a lot, saving a pound over say, thirty nights a year (which isn't even a big number) would come down to about $5 per trip for that pound of savings. Oh, and congrats on the channel's great growth the last 6 months; your quality work is deserving of the reward!
I agree, if you want versatility for occasional hikes. This is great. Most serious backpackers won’t be able to stop at one bag. Lol. Thanks as always.
Great review. Thanks man
Love your videos and your message
Thank you for that very thorough review. And that Lord of the Rings opening had me dying 😂 keep it up.
This is no longer available, but! we learned one thing: We can layer a quilt over a sleeping bag (or get an outter sleeping bag 2 sizes bigger). I have a decathlon 5ºC (40F) bag, and one day i used a friend's 0ºC (32F) Quilt over it, and was able to be perfectly comfortable in a night of -10 ºC (20F).
I also used a DIY fleece liner that I regularly use which I'd say give me an extra 2/3ºC below my bag's comfort limit.
Great channel! I’ve watched several videos and subscribed. Will definitely recommend to my Scouts BSA boys and girls troops. Thanks!
Thanks! I’m glad to have you here!
I don't even need to buy a new bag, I'm just here cause I enjoy the content haha
Once again you made my day!
I have this bag. I really like it. I live in North Dakota and I use it year round. It is heavy and bulky but it is totally worth it if you need the variability and you're on a budget.
I do love this bag its super comfortable and feels great to sleep on, im a husky dude at 300 lbs and i fit perfectly in this thing , but of course the only downside as he stated is its just a heavy bag , and bulky , i really like backpacking with only a 35 l backpack and i can only really take this sleeping bag when im going with my wife Because she can help carry some of the camp supplies, But if i'm going solo I can't fit sleeping bag plus all my other gear and a 35 l , so i end up taking a down quilt , and strap a cheap Synthetic quilt on the outside of my bag incase i get to cold
My solution was to add to my Western Mountaineering 40 degree summer bag a 40 degree quilt in combination with a Sea to Summit thermolite liner. This 900 fill bag and quilt compress extremely small and weigh very little. I use them in combination for colder nights but don't really know how cold the rating would be. But since I don't do any extreme cold tenting I feel these serve my purposes without weighing me down too much or creating too much bulk.
Sounds like a good option! According to EE two 40° should get you to about 10° and the liner should add a few more. support.enlightenedequipment.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002770588-How-to-layer-quilts-for-sub-zero-camping
I wish they had put the second zipper on the down top, that way, if you ever do double up the tops you only have to deal with one zipper pull at a time. I don't find my bag roomy enough to do the gymnastics required to zip both sides, of both zippers, either, so I would have liked for them to have made a way to fasten the zipper pull on one side or the other once zipped *trying to slide both pulls together just ends up with one or both pulls gathering some fabric in and jamming. I'd like to see the foot box and knee area a bit wider too. And, finally, there's no way to vent your feet on those nights where you're in between and a little too warm - those could have been added to the main/bottom bag... I find these issues more of an issue than the weight, given that I get way better performance from this bag than I did the older/cheaper/heavier one it replaced.
I'd give it a six and a half out of ten, on an average day, and a nine out of ten on that one night that I finally need all three pieces together. ;)
All valid concerns! I originally thought the zippers could be arranged better so that you could leave more zipper behind when taking it in different configurations. But ultimately decided it wouldn’t have helped on the weight. But I understand you concern too. As I mentioned I haven’t slept in it with all the layers so I never had to deal with two zippers at once. Seems that will only be an issue less than 1/3 of the time you use this bag. And I noticed the zippers do snag, but no more than any other bag I’ve used. Which is why I didn’t bring that up. The feet vent is an issue I missed! Thank you for bringing it to my attention and thanks for a great thoughtful and helpful comment.
Three years later. Would you still recommend this as a good sleeping bag? I'm shopping around for a bag to take on a week long rocky mountain back country hunt where temps can range from 60°f down to 15°f at any given day. Your videos have become my go too source of information on these sleeping bags.
Great review! Or you can get katabatic fex 20 or hummocgear burrow that would be warmer, more flexible, significantly lighter, similarly priced and supporting small manufacturer rather than North Face
I agree you can get the same flexibility from a quilt or layering quilts. That’s why I pointed that out towards the end. But if you prefer sleeping bags there’s not much as versatile as the one bag.
The irony of promoting a smaller retailer by promoting a large manufacturer was lost on me till a moment ago. 🤷🏼♂️. Thanks for watching!
Kind of late but... since they still are for sale in various outdoor stores!! Is it possible to have the "base layer" and "warmest layer" together without the middle one?? Thanks and yes, great review!!
I really like this bag. I wish they made an ultra lite version!
Excellent review. I've been a bit of a North Face fanboy forever... but since moving to Australia... it gets a little sketchy.
(They block 3rd party retailers in places like Canada & US from exporting their products to Australia).
To purchase the One Bag in US is $290US (about $390AUS). To purchase the One Bag in Australia is $600AUS (about $450US).
Some people could possible view this as a *restrictive trade practice*, or similar. 🤔
Fortunately, I have family in Canada & USA... but being expected to pay an extra $160US for the exact same product kind of sucks.
I agree! Someone else from Australia commented on this. Is it just TNF? Or is this true of other manufacturers as well?
@@MyLifeOutdoors - For camping/hiking/expedition gear, in my own experience... it has only ever been TNF.
For other sporting equipment, I recall similar issues with Nike when putting through a bulk order (to reduce impacts of shipping fees) via Eastbay and other sites that supply multiple brands.
Adidas/Under Armor/New Balance etc. have always been OK.
Oooops, there on reflection, there are some other companies that have also refused shipment to Australia... including Roots & Mountain Equipment Co-op.
(I understand that Mountain Equipment Co-op got bought out and rebranded as Mountain Equipment Company last year... their policies may have changed)
Honestly this feels like a gimmicky version of my two quilts. One 40° synthetic and one 20° down quilt just like you mentioned with the combined rating of apparently -10° which I haven't had a chance to confirm and may never get the chance. Your sleep system is worth the money. This bag is about the cost of a high quality 20° down quilt which will cover a lot of situations on its own. Up until this year that's all I'd been using. But quilts aren't for everyone.
The big issue with this I see is that when I used mummy bags I would rotate the bag with me so that I wasn't breathing into the bag while I slept. You can't do that with this system since the bottom is lightly insulated. So if you're a back sleeper I could see it being an option. But for the price and weight you'd be better off getting a quality bag and using it quilt style in warm weather or going the quilt route IMO.
I don’t disagree. That’s why I mentioned that a quilt could basically do the same for less weight. But if you prefer bags I don’t know of anything else that is quite this versatile.
I am not a back sleeper and didn’t adopt quilts till later. I turn in my sleeping bag and I’ve turned in this one. If it’s cold enough I prefer to tuck my head in too. So i didn’t experience any problems. But maybe that’s just me. Thanks for watching!
I have a military bag with 3 parts , two bags and one bivy, works great but all 3 combined is about ten pounds so deff good on a camping trip , not so much on a thru hike or backpacking trip .
Thank you. A great solution except for weight. But good to know in advance of Christmas.
Thanks! If your end up getting one do let me know.
Yea going with a Down quilt is just a better pack and option then this bag for warmth, size, and weight. But pretty cool all the feature it adds.
Yeah new video!!!
I’ve had a north face sleeping bag, I’ll stick to my Carinthia thanks.
In the context of as-universal-as-it-gets sleeping solutions, I'd like to share my tips - Helikon Tex Swagman Roll, and Carinthia Defence 4. Lot's of ads and reviews on RUclips. Official and unofficial. Swagman Roll is THE bag! And not only bag☝️
Hey goat :) Please say what do you think about inlets/ inlays for sleeping bags? Would you say yes, use it to extend the life span of the sleeping bag? Or no because it weighs too much?
This is just like US military sleeping bag system, not as heavy as the military bag system 9.4 lb but cool looking
I had no idea. So TNF ripped off the military? Interesting.
I find it very strange that sleeping systems are not common.
All that is required is appropriate sizing and zippers. This is easy to achieve.
I will do something like that but using cheaper sleeping bangs and quilts. For car camping weight is not a problem and the idea of layering is wise
Quite like the idea of mixing synthetic and down insulation. I'm not 100% sure why yet though.
Wow had to watch this video 3 times. It seemed complicated. Really sounds like a wonderful sleeping bag. 👍
Hey, you watch at as many times as you like! Thanks
I read a review that said this bag is not great for side sleepers due to the minimal insulation on the underside of the bag.
great review!
Thanks
Another fantastic video
A quick question, I couldn't find an Sports Basement locations in WA State (which I believe you are based in). Do you buy all your SB stuff online, and how is the return process online vs in person? They sound awesome, btw
Thanks. They only have brick and mortar in the San Francisco Bay Area. So yes I buy online. I’ve actually have not returned anything to them which is probably evident by the fact I got their return policy wrong. They don’t pro-rate like I claimed. They will give you a full refund at anytime. With proof of purchase. I believe they deduct the cost of shipping from your return. But it’s still an amazing return policy
@@MyLifeOutdoors much appreciated, will give them a go!
Nicely done Steven! I personally would never buy this b/c of the weight and prob wouldn't recommend it to any backpackers but for car campers or maybe even glampers this might do the trick. The design is ingenious but definitely flawed based on what you pointed out in the video. Instead of having 3 separate zippers they could've had one zipper pull with 3 ports. I agree about making everything down but the additional zippers add additional snag points. I would say UGQ or EE should take note but they don't need to make something to compete. Why make a layering system when they can charge for 2 (or 3) full sized quilts? Especially when they'll most likely be lighter individually. For backpackers this item isn't it, but the ingenuity is def cool.
love it!!!
This is normal 🍀✌️😂✌️🍀 … I also do 1 bag in an other when it’s too cold … 😜✌️🔥
Really well done - thx
Subbed after the LOTR reference
Glad to have you join the fellowship 😉
ok...please tell me how you did the superman effect?
I just tied the bag around my shoulders 😉🤣. In reality I did it in Adobe After Effects.
I just picked this bag up today for $100 at TJ Max. 🎉
I got one for 70 today at tj maxx
Many years ago my friends from Switzerland had down comforters that were 2 layers that, if need be, you could button together in really cold conditions. Nothing new.
I want this bag, but the weight is what is holding me back. My synthetic bag is lighter and the primary reason I’m looking for a secondary bag, the weight is primary to my requirements.
Can you put the synthetic bag as the top layer?
Yes. It’s intended to be the top layer. So for 5° it’s synthetic on top, down in middle, synthetic on your back. For 20° just synthetic back and down top, for 40° synthetic back and synthetic top. Hope that’s clear?
Could you add metric system and celcius in your videos ?
You have all but sold me on this bag but I have one question does this bag have clips/ straps to keep it to the pad????
No it does not. There are two loops at the foot but believe these are just to give you something to hang the bag but to air it out after a hike.
@@MyLifeOutdoors ok thanks I will probably get one in the spring I really like stuff that has more than one purpose 👍
Down is no good when is rein outside you going to freeze i know from my experience .
If you’re interested in this bag check out your local North Face Outlet. I was able to grab one today for $85 after taxes.
Is the compressible bag waterproof?
No unfortunately it’s not. I typically replace them with a compression dry sack from sea to summit. Then I’ll use the dry bag to hang food in at night.
Thank you for the quick response. Great videos!
Similar to the military mss system
Great title
Thanks!
Didn’t need to finish the video, LOTR quoted, I’ll buy what ever you’re recommending.
I avoid Amazon like the plague.
Anybody else see an example of Tactical to practical?
I wondered if it was possible to use 2 sleeping bags together. I was thinking this may work for a thru-hiker to have 2 bags together and then simply ditch a cheap one as it got warmer instead of sending one home and having another one sent out.
You can certainly use two quilts together. Or a sleeping bag and a liner. I would worry two sleeping bags one inside the other could compress the insulation on both leaving the less effective. Maybe if you got inside one and draped the other one open on top. That might work. Thanks for watching!
Nothing new here. It’s been (re-) invented many times. The basic problems remain: too many zips, too heavy and inefficient.
TNF, once a market leader in high quality outdoor equipment, is now just another tacky fashion house. There are a lot of companies producing better products at better prices.
Aaa d just got one. Not that heavy, very plush, no pockets.
where did you get one? I can't find one in stock from the link. I live in Canada though so maybe I just got that message because they don't ship here or something
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REI, a local chain, was $224. Good bag! Warm probably down to 32/0 in full, I doubt the advertised 5 Fahrenheit, that must be survival temp. Very well made but no pockets.
Sounds like they're kind of copying the military sleep system huh just not as many bells and whistles and a lot less weight.
This video's actual content can fill only 3 minutes tops.
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"But the one bad doesn't even cost $300, at sports basement it's just $289. That's like getting 3 bags..."
If I act now how many free steak knives do I get?
When did this become an infomercial?
I mean I said it’s sponsored by sports basement. If I didn’t think $300 was a good deal for 3 different temp ratings I wouldn’t have said it. I hope the fact that I said you can basically achieve the same thing with a quilt speaks to my credibility. If all I wanted to do was sell the bag I wouldn’t have mentioned that. Or any con. It is in my best interest to build trust over sales. If I don’t build trust this won’t last long. Are you not interested in saving the $11? Or you just don’t like the way I said it? Or you prefer I continue to spend my own money to produce high quality time intensive videos? No Sarcasm. These are honest questions. I’m glad your here, glad you commented. Help me make a better channel.
@@MyLifeOutdoors I'm ok with sponsored videos, dogs gotta eat. You put in an amazing amount of effort to your videos, I appreciate that and you should absolutely reap the rewards.
Certainly to some extent I'm just razing you. But on the other hand, the way you said that line absolutely made it sound like an infomercial. In your previous videos you would have described the price as "around $300" or just stated the price.
I don't know if that line came from you or sports basement but it felt a bit icky. Particularly compared to your usual style which is so upfront (which is so refreshing). Sure $11 under $300 isn't $300 but it isn't that big a difference to warrant that kind of a line. It's still very much in the general ballpark of $300.
At $300 it seems like it would probably be a decent sleeping bag, so there really wasn't a need to quibble over $11.
Do I get the steak knives now? 🙃
@@tjmarx Glad you responded! Sports basement didn’t give me complete freedom without any guidance. They wanted my authentic opinion. (To their detriment. I got their return policy wrong. You can return items at any time for a full refund.) So all the wording was my own. I’ll admit I am excited to work with them and hope to do so in the future. So I was putting in extra effort. That maybe where it started to sound funky. At the risk of going to far I legitimately think they are doing things well. Besides their return policy I believe they will price match at any time. From what I know I think they deserve some love. But I will say this conversation will be in my mind the next time I do a sponsored video. Thanks again.
FFS the weight of the bag is not some secret you only find out about after you buy the damn thing. It's not a hard-core weight-weeny backpackers bag and doesn't pretend to be.
So… you’re still not doing the sleeping quilt!!?! C’mon!
My bad
I apologize but I don’t know what you are referring to
If you actually showed the sleeping bag instead of your face that would be great.
Who or what is on your right?? Are you being forced to make these videos against your will? Why do you keep glancing over there? Do they have a gun? Blink twice if you need help!
Fake
A 5 lb sleeping bag is nothing. The USGI MSS weighs in at 10 lbs. You need to suck it up and get your body accustomed to carrying more weight.
Bro there's a reason why spec ops uses WGTE sleep system and not mss system
@@daryenmirabal2656 Are you spec ops?
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