Vitalik Buterin: Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work (Blockchain Insider)

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  • Опубликовано: 10 дек 2018
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    For the Blockchain Insider podcast, Simon Taylor and Colin Platt sat down with Vitalik Buterin to talk through Ethereum, the plans for the blockchain, and his 2019 predictions for the space!
    Vitalik explains the difference between Proof of Stake and Proof of Work ahead of the Casper launch. What makes Proof of Stake superior for Ethereum?
    Stay tuned for the full interview with Vitalik, out Thursday 13th of December!
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Комментарии • 96

  • @tradingwithwill7214
    @tradingwithwill7214 3 года назад +53

    One coin one vote is great when you gave yourself a ton in the premine :)

    • @9NGAZ9
      @9NGAZ9 2 года назад +3

      RAVENCOIN will destroy ETH

    • @fantupomarsupialis5125
      @fantupomarsupialis5125 Год назад

      @@9NGAZ9 what about ETC?

    • @lennykump8396
      @lennykump8396 Год назад

      Or when you're a corrupt fool who likes governments taking over.

    • @BitFloh
      @BitFloh Год назад +3

      Exactly, proof of stake is unfair from the beginning.

  • @LeftThumbBreak
    @LeftThumbBreak 2 года назад +15

    proof of stake, should be renamed proof of money.
    proof of work tends to encourage IT people to participate, proof of stake encourages finance people. I tend to believe IT people are more aligned with blockchain ideals than bankers. I also tend to think the non-voting, longest block wins consensus mechanism is better than basically letting the people with the most coin have the most votes. I don't hate POS but I'm very suspicious and Solana's ddos "attack" didn't help.

    • @BitFloh
      @BitFloh Год назад

      Proof of stake is a very bad consensus algorithm because someone has to create the coins to stake. That process can not be fair. Proof of stake fails from the beginning.

  • @kplex3729
    @kplex3729 3 года назад +11

    It little bit annoys me that the interviewers cannot listen to the genius and give full attention to him but rather keep looking at camera xD

    • @vellam8766
      @vellam8766 3 года назад

      maybe something is blinking

  • @akathetruthteller
    @akathetruthteller 5 лет назад +21

    proof of steak

  • @sourav3958
    @sourav3958 2 года назад +3

    Proof of stake somewhat sounds similar to stock market where big bulls have the monopoly over the whole market.

  • @Cssaarr
    @Cssaarr 3 года назад +3

    QUESTION (someone please answer): in PROOF OF WORK your computer has to actually solve maths to get to a result that certifies that by adding a specific number (and only that number) to the data of a specific block of transactions, you get a number that starts with a given number of ceros. This guarantees that the block you are validating has a very specific set of data and any other.
    In PROOF OF STAKE, how do I know if the block of transactions I am voting to approve is correct or fraudulent?

    • @kristiantenorio
      @kristiantenorio 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, that's why I still don't trust POS.

  • @greedykidify
    @greedykidify 5 месяцев назад +1

    when Vitalik Buterin said "In Our opinion"

  • @tomasvallotton9264
    @tomasvallotton9264 4 года назад +1

    How does it prevent double spending? I think he simplified it a bit too much.

  • @JetLife413
    @JetLife413 3 года назад +14

    One coin = one vote
    Sounds like the system we live under now.
    PoW > PoS

    • @johndavila4196
      @johndavila4196 3 года назад +1

      Unless you got tokens you going to spends thousands to vote probably not

    • @nofeah89
      @nofeah89 3 года назад

      Eth is same as the dollar?

  • @mayurbhor2231
    @mayurbhor2231 3 года назад +12

    Have my Blockchain exam tomorrow , what better way to learn Ethereum than from the creator himself

    • @Aomicplane
      @Aomicplane 3 года назад +12

      Blockchain exam?

    • @Bitcoinonly21
      @Bitcoinonly21 3 года назад +1

      From the people that have a more neutral point of view

    • @Abhi-lm5li
      @Abhi-lm5li 3 года назад +1

      Exam 😂😂

    • @melessa18
      @melessa18 2 года назад

      bakchod exam

  • @Deksingburi
    @Deksingburi 4 года назад +1

    When can i stake Ethereum on Mainnet and earn Ether?

    • @InnocentAlaska
      @InnocentAlaska Год назад

      Soon

    • @Deksingburi
      @Deksingburi Год назад

      @@InnocentAlaska Oh thanks, I've asked this question for almost 3 years 😂🤣

  • @denvyp3656
    @denvyp3656 3 года назад +2

    My question: Is it possible to do both successfully? Ethereum would be the number 1 cryptocurrency if you had nodes that you could mine and also stake. Mining keeps skin in the game, and staking imo just makes the rich richer. For example, $10,000 can buy me a setup for mining making a little over $1000 a month in bitcoin mining but staking cardano at the same price earns roughly 5% APY give-or-take. You do the math. I think the both have the pros and cons. I just want someone to tell me is it possible?

    • @stacknsat
      @stacknsat 2 года назад +1

      Simantenously?

    • @Nierez
      @Nierez Год назад

      Buy millions in mining equipment, stake a million tokens. I think the only winner is the environment.

  • @joannot6706
    @joannot6706 3 года назад +7

    It's steak but no animal slaughtered so it's vegan steak.

  • @kha_2428
    @kha_2428 3 года назад +32

    Proof of Work consensus is truly trustless. For competing chains, the one with the most work embedded in it is considered true. Work done is intrinsic to physics and POW consensus is achieved with a trust in physics rather than people. Proof of stake consensus network fundamentally requires you to trust people. Therefore, for a monetary network that serves as the base layer of wealth and hard money, proof of work is better suited. For application layer blockchains, you sacrifice this for speed. Ethereum, Cardano, Solana etc does not replace Bitcoins role as a base layer monetary network. Bitcoin is hard money.

    • @johndavila4196
      @johndavila4196 3 года назад +2

      How is the longest chain not true it’s true in math an physics . It’s a ledger of records it’s real . I rather believe in pow that pos that can be exploited by big bag holders. You rather trust staking than actually work thats being done lol

    • @kha_2428
      @kha_2428 3 года назад +4

      @@johndavila4196 HELLO.... READ MY COMMENT PROPERLY. I believe in POW not POS.

    • @kha_2428
      @kha_2428 3 года назад +1

      @@johndavila4196 I said the longest chain IS considered true. please read properly

    • @kha_2428
      @kha_2428 3 года назад +2

      @@johndavila4196 The one that has the most work embedded in is is the longest chain and that is considered true. For hard money... POW is best

    • @economiclessons5356
      @economiclessons5356 3 года назад +3

      well said.

  • @Bracdau
    @Bracdau 3 года назад +3

    Time to buy all the steaks

  • @karlmarx9309
    @karlmarx9309 3 года назад +2

    Proof of stake is not going to be trusted as not decentralized like major treasury agencies for federal bonds market. The fundamental theory of decentralized currency should be trusted by "NO AGENCY" at all over the system. You got it ??

    • @spx0
      @spx0 3 года назад

      Dear Karl,
      You can not get anonymous and “decentralized” systems, so , any proof of ....
      Will generate centralized entities
      Those monopolies that you hated so much 😂 very capitalistic 😂 😂

    • @karlmarx9309
      @karlmarx9309 3 года назад

      Sir or Mam. There is. I am one of anarchists not communists. Please take a look at the Demacracy at work by Richard wollf. He is my favorite activist. Thanks for the reply.

  • @jenny-DD
    @jenny-DD 2 года назад

    I understand proof of steak
    I was at Ponderosa

  • @alwaysnew7181
    @alwaysnew7181 5 лет назад +2

    nice vitalik you right

  • @valiantphilosophy841
    @valiantphilosophy841 3 года назад +3

    Bye bye little miners...hello Rich and Wealthy!! In they come to "control the universe " as usual...I love the shiny "clean earth " sticker on the front of the package tho!!😁 I'll take 2!

    • @danielionanov5620
      @danielionanov5620 2 года назад +2

      Proof of work is the same thing though...the best computers get the most money so I don't know why you complain

    • @FirstGenCrypto
      @FirstGenCrypto 2 года назад

      @@danielionanov5620 Nope. The more processing power, the smaller the hashrate/rewards

    • @danielionanov5620
      @danielionanov5620 2 года назад

      @@FirstGenCrypto ??

    • @btc1668
      @btc1668 2 года назад

      @@danielionanov5620 No the same thing. Hashpower is practically unlimited, even the biggest mining pool constantly faces the threat being overtaken.

  • @asus1201n
    @asus1201n 5 лет назад +21

    pow = sathoshis vision
    pos = banking cartel vision

    • @preenan5123
      @preenan5123 5 лет назад +2

      Had same thought. Is it really what you are thinking it is?

    • @klemenkovacic9109
      @klemenkovacic9109 3 года назад +3

      satoshi for life.

    • @gabbar51ngh
      @gabbar51ngh 3 года назад

      Proof of work wastes electricity.

    • @alekseiwave4894
      @alekseiwave4894 3 года назад +2

      @@gabbar51ngh banks and automatic cashiers too

    • @ohkee
      @ohkee 3 года назад

      Explain why?

  • @prakharag132
    @prakharag132 3 года назад +1

    that interviewer did not understood anything i bet

  • @young-ceo
    @young-ceo 5 лет назад +1

    "Subscribed"

  • @yaroslavabramovich4135
    @yaroslavabramovich4135 2 года назад +1

    Виталик, давай по русски уже

    • @demisx
      @demisx Год назад +1

      Зачем? Большинство его аудитории англоязычные.

  • @knightx09
    @knightx09 5 лет назад +1

    Securities

  • @powerralley
    @powerralley 5 лет назад +19

    Ethereum is the future.

    • @demisx
      @demisx Год назад +1

      Not anymore. 🤣

    • @powerralley
      @powerralley Год назад

      @@demisx Ethereum is the future even more so today then 3 years ago when I wrote that comment.

  • @FrenchingAround
    @FrenchingAround 3 года назад

    you guys have the same nose

  • @francolikestech7137
    @francolikestech7137 2 года назад +3

    Proof of Stake = Who has more wins more… what an improvement over fiat!
    Centralization!! This sucks!! Buy Bitcoin

    • @btc1668
      @btc1668 2 года назад +1

      Yep, once you and your rich friends have the majority stake, you basically control the network. And best part is no one can surpass you because you will receive all the new coins as well. What a garbage.

  • @francolikestech7137
    @francolikestech7137 2 года назад

    Thief

  • @flaggerify
    @flaggerify 3 года назад +3

    Scammer.