@@TheGerudan Don't forget to use the Asus Phoenix version of the GPU, one fan will clearly do on the GPU! Also, swap out the one DIMM and replace it with an unknown cheap brand like Micron! Forget HyperX or Corsair, Micron is where it's at.
In March I bought an rtx 2060 build (it was asus Phoenix of course because cheapo) with 9th gen i7 and it had the cheapest mobo possible! An asus prime h310 loser edition. It was so bad that I would have my PC severely drop in performance and snappiness even when browsing since they put a cheap off brand ssd with only 240gb, it got way better and what it should have been at 1149 pounds when I upgraded in black friday to the z390 pro carbon and a 2tb corsair mp400 ssd. I could overclock my cpu finally to 5ghz and overclock my 32gb ram to 3600 after it was stuck at 2666 moral of story, build your pcs so you know what parts you are going to use and if you can buy these cpus surely you can buy the z390 8th,9th gen or z490 10th gen
@@tomasruiz4675 it's a little too basic though, I'd rather my vrms had a heat sink. I don't mind not being able to oc, I just wanna be sure the board won't crap itself within a week of owning it.
ASUS makes their budget H310 & H410 mobos in classic green (plastic and heatsinks are black). I have a MSI A320 Pro that looks like Dawid's mobo, it came new with something that looks like tree sap on it.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ehHhHh I guess. Noctua fans are like, the ugliest PC parts in existence, so I'm gonna go with two wrongs don't make a right on this one Dawid.
@@nicholasespinoza9610 I was thinking about that when I saw a holes at beginning of a video but combo like this is still bad idea, no matter how you cool them down pressure on these 4 phases on a long(er) run will result in premature death of some of them. Still, it's not bad idea for any other case when somebody pair this MBO with some more suitable CPU. Finding heatsink that will fit on these mounts is harder part but at least there is room for some modified solution, on many boards without heatsink layout is terrible and it's impossible to fit anything expect maybe small "memory" heatsinks.
lol It's a classic to me. I wish I was brave enough to make my own frying-pan cpu cooler. Imagine frying an egg in between games.. Or making coffee. While you chat on discord hahaha
The vrm is a terrible choice for cooking as the power output of them is very low. Cooking stuff on cpus is much more practical. Plenty of videos on youtube.
well to be fair he is very limited in what he says thanks to all the censorship going on. RUclips wants ads on all the videos and they want all the videos to be ad friendly.
It makes perfect sense that this board has a vga port. It’s designed for office or basic home use, most people who’d buy a board like this may still use a VGA monitor.
Hey Dawid, you remember cpu cooler on laptop few days ago? And you were initially thinking about strapping aio? There's a way to get even contact: get dremel, cut hole under heatpipe connecting Cpu & Gpu n strap in there, make sure you drill few holes for countersink screw to mount aio to the chassey. Done. No fuss whatsoever.
Hex Dawid! Since I'm early this time around and can hope to get a few likes to bump this: I challenge you to build a Gaming PC that's capable of 1080p gaming with only parts that aren't officially supported anymore!! Let's say: last drivers and or bios updates for components at least 18months old
@@leaha2357 That's what I was thinking as well so I googled it for 2 seconds and found on the EVGA forum a lot of people were complaining and had to rma their FTW cards because only one or 2 fans would spin randomly and they had issues. It could be completely unrelated but I just thought Ide mention it. Lol it was funny just watching him talk while only 1 fan is spinning in the background then thinking back to the liquid metal video.
i mean yeah that one is a bit obvious. But it's always entertaining to see what happens when you use these H series boards to tank the performance on these CPUs
This is my favorite tech RUclips channel just because Dawid simply does things the opposite way of the others. Instead of how good can I get this system to perform, he says how bad can I get it to perform.
Add some heatsinks to the vrms and try again, im pretty sure that with a little bit of nice work and no more than 10 bucks you can make the Mobo run perfect 100% of the time all the games
These down-to-Earth, light-hearted tech vids are always a pleasure to watch, great stuff as usual! Btw, could someone tell me what in-game tracking software is being used in Dawid's videos?
Just realised I haven't been subned this whole time, love the channel and content honestly it's always super interesting! Would definitely be interested in more motherboard facts, never seen many people go over what's actually in the boards like the vrm.
Hope your Christmas was good too. It was quite Christmas for us here in San Diego since we're on lockdown (not that anyone is really staying home at this point as it's out 7th or 8th multi week lockdown). It at least it was nice out.
I know its not very enthusiast of me to say, but Im curious how the non-K 65 watt version of the 10th ten i9 performs in comparison to the K version tested here on this board
cheap motherboards have older display ports out since people probably buying the cheaper stuff use the older tech since thats all they can afford, makes sense.
Being cheap on the motherboard is always a bad idea. Learned that lesson the hard way. Anyways, another entertaining video, keep up the good work, Dawid:)
I bought a pre built from Amazon as my first PC in March when I used my dad's old gt 210 PC since 2011, I knew absolutely nothing about pcs so when I saw the big numbers i7 9700K, 16gb and rtx 2060 at a £1149 price we bought the PC, despite the seller obviously not stating the other components branding nor the powersupply When it came, owning a new gaming PC made me glad I finally have such a thing, unaware of the terrible h310 motherboard I got, the powersupply was advertised as 600w but we got 500w without any brand name, we can't get a refund since the company ADMI also known as AWD-IT (AWDful-Isn'IT?) No longer sold the PC and we find out the psu was a scam in November, that was when I upgraded to the z390 and saw a way better performance boost and could finally overclock my ram and cpu safely we bagged the £250 gaming pro carbon ac at £174 for black Friday sales
@@absbrah38 Yea, prebuilt PCs are usually gimped in the motherboard department. Screwing over your clients to save a couple of bucks on the main board.
Minor correction to the video -- the power phases aren't doubled, they just have two sets of MOSFETS to spread the heat load out a bit. On a lot of boards you see 3 mosfets per phase, since only the low-side mosfet runs hot enough to need to be split into two in some VRM designs.
Hi Dawid I love your videos even though I don't know much about hardware and still run an old 7+ year old advent pc. One game you should try out these rigs on is path of exile. Later in the game there is so many calculations going on that sometimes even the hardiest of rigs slow down to a sad FPS rate. The game shows you an FPS graph using one of the F keys. Only problem is you would have to venture to the point in the game where everything is 'kicking off' and not just fire up and check the FPS like the games you show. All the best and thank you for the content.
I'd be curious what throwing some little copper heatsinks on those VRM with a single 120 MM fan would do for those VRM's. I bet it would keep it from throttling and those heat sinks are pretty cheap on Amazon.
Hmm, you what would be interesting, what if you attached a heatsink to the VRM to help cool it, I wonder what the performance would be after an extended time then? Would it be able to hold 4.8GHz due to no temperature throttling, if its enough, though its only a small 4 phase design
I had a prebuilt with a Ryzen 5 3600 and A320 cheapo mobo. VRMs reached 120C when editing videos. Eventually smoke came out. Oh, and it was an MSI "pro" motherboard. But it looked way cheaper than yours
It didn't perform that badly imo, it's not really a CPU+Mobo combination that would be common. Trying to run a i5-10400f on that H410M motherboard would be quite a lot more sensible and would likely work fairly well in most situations.
I like your Content. There is so much to learn for Me on building a Computer. I built all my pc by my own and all worked well But now i know, that i have to have also an eye on this little things. Thx man
A top-down air cooler would help the motherboard here. It will cool the VRM a bit too. Alternatively, very good case cooling that also is set up to help the VRM will do good here as well.
When the local computer parts shop have cpu and mobo combo I9 10th gen ten core cpu with mobo Included parts: i9 cpu 10th gen H410m pro it can get 400+fps in csgo with rtx 3080 RTX 3080 sold separately!
The fluctuation in results is a lot more alarming than I expected and this is the type of mobo that I'd expect in an eBay prebuilt. It would be interesting to see if you could "fix" this mobo by ghetto mounting some sort of cooling on those crappy vrms. Really interesting stuff, and really shows why you don't cheap on a mobo!
Actually, it's quite common practice in pre-builds. Even motherboard-CPU bundles have the same. I found quite a bit of listings with Ryzen 7 paired A320 mobo and memory 2133 or 2400. All marketing is based on how powerful CPU you get, missing the fact that rest of components will drag it down...
The mobo has holes for VRM cooler. Just get an aluminum sheet of the correct size, 3d print a holder or something and stick a few small heatsinks on it. Average cost 5-10EUR for the average maker and it will do the job very well (I ve done it for other mobo).
Is adding some sort of vrm heatsink able to prevent it from throttling? I'm seeing a possibility someone with H410 might get used 10700 when used market pricing got really interesting
Its strange because it does look like they had intended to actually put a heatsink on the power delivery section of that motherboard with the 2 holes where they are around it, But then obviously decided a little piece of aluminium was going to eat into profit too much so skipped it, Would be interesting to see if adding a heatsink would have yield any different performance results.
That RGB header might be for prebuilt PCs. As long as the PC shines like a rainbow people will buy it. To make the throttling even more visible, you could've done a long blender render or run Cinebench on loop until the score reaches its lowest point. You could also attach some tiny heatsinks to see what difference they would make. And don't shame the Toyota, that VRM is a Geo Metro or something :D
Hey dude! I love your videos but can you make a 700$ budget gaming pc with a guide and gameplay? I really wanna build a computer but that's all I have for budget. Also for the gameplay can you showcase beamng, ACS (American trucking sim) and gta 5?
Temps were made even worse with his choice of a cooler. Temps could have been way better if he had used an air cooler that pushes air towards the motherboard.
David i'd love if you had some cheap heatsinks to slap on and test how cheap it would actually be to make this board usable with a high end CPU. Temps would probably be even higher in a closed system for sure. It is actually interesting if it would only be like 1-2$ for some board makers to make this a non problem.
Testing something cheap with something it obviously shouldn't be used with/for a wonderfully typical video of Dawid's very entertaining channel. These videos are some of my favorites.
Fun video as usual. I think I'd be more curious to see this on AMD. One of the big advantages that everyone talks about on ryzen is that you can put a 5950x into like an x370 board. It would be great to see what that actually looks like.
I just bought this motherboard to save some money to buy a nice PSU and other components, I had a tight budget so acquired an i5 10400 locked and a gtx 1660, is it going to work properly or it will throttle? And also, should I cool my VRMs with some sort of copper plate?
Very good. Video. Hardware unboxed always told me to get best Ben motherboard for my ryzen set up but techyescity uses cheap a320. So I think if you are GPU bottlenecked it won't matter!
Dawid, I'd like to see an extensive test of this budget board, but when you slap on a bit of aluminium bar stock over tyhe VRM. Something that's not a heatsink per se, but will it work to give better performance?
video idea: maybe a video about what cpu whould be the best feet with a cheep motherboard (although 70-80$ is not cheep) so you do not lose performance and if the same cpu can perform better in the high end motherboard. This is something i want to see for a while.
Is this particular CPU model causing the power delivery to get hot or is the motherboard just bad at everything? I would have liked to see if a lower end chip had the same effect on the temps, running the highe end/low end systems with the same ram speed(and the different max speeds) would have also been useful information in relation to frame rates.
Next time try putting heatsinks on the VRM, to see if a gamer on a tight budget can mod a cheap board to perform on a high end CPU. And before someone says "who pays top dollar on a CPU and cheaps out on the motherboard", 2nd hand buyers for upgrading computers do.
I run a MSI B450A-Pro Max, and it is just a non-RGB Tomahawk with slightly different rear I/O (in a way that makes no difference to me). Their Pro series can have some surprisingly well featured boards for what they cost. I don't know for the H410 chipset, though. It clearly runs to Intel's spec at least, and not a toe over that line.
I noticed that you were running all core boost, would this motherboard work better if you left the per core boost operating? Or will video games always cause all cores to boost to the same clock speed? Just thinking that if one or two cores were at 5.0 and then 6 cores at like 4.6 or whatever it might run cooler? I never do this on my personal rig and have never tried this so I'm only speculating.
Can you find a cheap way to cool the VRMs? Try a tower style and downdraft air cooler maybe? Case fans? I like the idea of spending $60 on a motherboard instead of $160 and using that $100 on a better CPU and cooler.
What was the takeaway from this? Sorry, im a little bit dense. Would it be wise to get a mobo like this and an i3 10100F and later add an i5 10600 for improvements in 1-2 years?
C'mon David! Put a vrm heatsink and a fan if possible to make a janky setup. I was totally expecting you do that though. Do you already have that planned?
When u win a CPU giveaway
I mean it can game right?
@@problemtf2532 it's the same as having a V8 twin-turbo engine on a ford fiesta.
Well, just buy thermal pads and stick a piece of aluminium on it, problem solved.
Haha!! Exactly.
I have never been offended by something I agree with
You are basically just building a prebuilt, cpu mobo combo.
Yeah, just take one DIMM out and you have it.
I misread as Mombo Combo and now it's head canon.
Go Dingos!
Lol
@@TheGerudan Don't forget to use the Asus Phoenix version of the GPU, one fan will clearly do on the GPU! Also, swap out the one DIMM and replace it with an unknown cheap brand like Micron! Forget HyperX or Corsair, Micron is where it's at.
Ah yes, The Modern prebuilt combo. Combining High end cpu with Basic af board. And people still buying it
dont see why not,in most cases at least,unless you want to oc ofc
In March I bought an rtx 2060 build (it was asus Phoenix of course because cheapo) with 9th gen i7 and it had the cheapest mobo possible! An asus prime h310 loser edition.
It was so bad that I would have my PC severely drop in performance and snappiness even when browsing since they put a cheap off brand ssd with only 240gb, it got way better and what it should have been at 1149 pounds when I upgraded in black friday to the z390 pro carbon and a 2tb corsair mp400 ssd. I could overclock my cpu finally to 5ghz and overclock my 32gb ram to 3600 after it was stuck at 2666 moral of story, build your pcs so you know what parts you are going to use and if you can buy these cpus surely you can buy the z390 8th,9th gen or z490 10th gen
Haha!! It really is. But honestly, I was surprised at how well it handled the CPU
If it's not the cheap motherboard then they end up getting a trash power supply that's a fire hazard
@@tomasruiz4675 it's a little too basic though, I'd rather my vrms had a heat sink. I don't mind not being able to oc, I just wanna be sure the board won't crap itself within a week of owning it.
Honestly, I'd rather have classic green over poop brown on my motherboard.
ASUS makes their budget H310 & H410 mobos in classic green (plastic and heatsinks are black).
I have a MSI A320 Pro that looks like Dawid's mobo, it came new with something that looks like tree sap on it.
@@thepezfeo The tree sap is for better overclocks yo
Poo brown match Noctua, which is nice... I guess.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ehHhHh I guess. Noctua fans are like, the ugliest PC parts in existence, so I'm gonna go with two wrongs don't make a right on this one Dawid.
All we need is a brown case and we can make a full poop build.
I love the low key insults directed at pc parts.
Almost all his descriptions deserve to go to r/rareinsults
Just a normal video
2 holes for vrm's heatsink , you can add thermal pads and heatsink .Test it again! Should be interesting.
Whats the point tho?
@@h1tzzYT to show a cheaper motherboard is actually a good value by simply adding a heatsink to the VRM.
Agree
The mobo is dead
@@nicholasespinoza9610 I was thinking about that when I saw a holes at beginning of a video but combo like this is still bad idea, no matter how you cool them down pressure on these 4 phases on a long(er) run will result in premature death of some of them.
Still, it's not bad idea for any other case when somebody pair this MBO with some more suitable CPU. Finding heatsink that will fit on these mounts is harder part but at least there is room for some modified solution, on many boards without heatsink layout is terrible and it's impossible to fit anything expect maybe small "memory" heatsinks.
From the holes its look like a heatsink on the VRM'S was predicted to be mounted. So with a search you can mount a heatsink easly there.
Yeah that would be interesting to see. 😁
That would make an otherwise budget board a reasonable option for mid-range gaming.
Still wouldn't put an I9 in this thing though.
I have the same mobo,can anyone please help me in putting a heatsink on the VRM.Where can I get one ?
Now I want to see someone boil water on a vrm.
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@@zCaptainz That video is awesome! 😁
lol It's a classic to me.
I wish I was brave enough to make my own frying-pan cpu cooler.
Imagine frying an egg in between games.. Or making coffee. While you chat on discord hahaha
The vrm is a terrible choice for cooking as the power output of them is very low. Cooking stuff on cpus is much more practical. Plenty of videos on youtube.
Didn't it die? I saw a story that led me to believe that heh followup video?
I don't want to talk about it. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ah crap. Was going to suggest a video with some simple stick on heatsinks on the VRM 🤣
F
Every time I see his title card the 13 year old sense of humor I have reads "Dawid does b__t stuff". Thanks for that Timmy Joe.
@@lunchie80 so was I
I'm not 100% sure, but I think "loser" is Dawid's favorite insult, not 100% sure
Someone gotta make a super cut of dawid saying “loser”
Loser
well to be fair he is very limited in what he says thanks to all the censorship going on. RUclips wants ads on all the videos and they want all the videos to be ad friendly.
Well he is a candian though, what do you expect? XD
Always "crazy" ideas Dawid, never change.
Greg Greg!! The OG sub. You’ve been here since the beginning 😁
Hey Greg! 😁
@@AnnaDoes You guys are great! I wish you all the best!
74 hearts received lol
It makes perfect sense that this board has a vga port. It’s designed for office or basic home use, most people who’d buy a board like this may still use a VGA monitor.
Yet still have a 10th gen Intel cpu
Priorities
Most boards have VGA ports regardless of the price point. Because you never know when you might need it. I don't know why people are surprised by it.
you'd be surprised what you can still do with mold tech like vga
So what you’re saying is since I blew all my money on the i9, buying this motherboard is a good idea?
Yes
No way it's a good idea
If you lack a pan & desperately want an omelette, I guess? 🤔
VRM temps would be lower If he used a $10 air-cooler instead of a $100 water cooler.
Clearly everyone missed the sarcasm
The motherboard equivalent of a shart... As always, thank you Dawid.
Now try to put on some small heatsinks on the VRM components
Agreed, would have been a nice experiment !
Hey Dawid, you remember cpu cooler on laptop few days ago? And you were initially thinking about strapping aio? There's a way to get even contact: get dremel, cut hole under heatpipe connecting Cpu & Gpu n strap in there, make sure you drill few holes for countersink screw to mount aio to the chassey.
Done. No fuss whatsoever.
This was so funny to watch, literary bought the same MSI H410 mobo for $65 and it runs my i5-10400F perfectly fine :)
What's the VRM temperature on stress test
Hex Dawid! Since I'm early this time around and can hope to get a few likes to bump this:
I challenge you to build a Gaming PC that's capable of 1080p gaming with only
parts that aren't officially supported anymore!!
Let's say: last drivers and or bios updates for components at least 18months old
You know what... Your channel is blowing upp
Yeah, 2020 has been a crazy ride for the channel. Thanks for the comment. 😁
Well I’d take the corolla dis as a compliment, since my grandparents’ corolla is over 20 years-old without issues.
Some tiny heatsinks from Amazon should do nicely.
Why is only one fan randomly spinning on your 3080? Lol I think you rlly messed that thing up😂 6:35
I think thats just EVGA cards, if I remember they have a ton of sensors on the board and can control the fans separately from one another
@@leaha2357 That's what I was thinking as well so I googled it for 2 seconds and found on the EVGA forum a lot of people were complaining and had to rma their FTW cards because only one or 2 fans would spin randomly and they had issues. It could be completely unrelated but I just thought Ide mention it. Lol it was funny just watching him talk while only 1 fan is spinning in the background then thinking back to the liquid metal video.
@@PabzRoz Hahaha yeah it was pretty funny think back to the video with the fans
It was idling because nothing was being run
these motherboard are good for i3 /i5 none K cpus !
Yeah I have a gigabyte h410m paired with a i3 10100 and it performs really well considering it was a below $500 build
i mean yeah that one is a bit obvious. But it's always entertaining to see what happens when you use these H series boards to tank the performance on these CPUs
Downdraft cooler would probably outperform a AIO due to cooling the VRM off
And if ti not enough, you could get like another 120mm case fan to fully cool it down. and save like 100 quid on motherboard.
That board might not throttle if used with stock heatsink.
This is my favorite tech RUclips channel just because Dawid simply does things the opposite way of the others. Instead of how good can I get this system to perform, he says how bad can I get it to perform.
These types of videos make me feel better about my specs
Add some heatsinks to the vrms and try again, im pretty sure that with a little bit of nice work and no more than 10 bucks you can make the Mobo run perfect 100% of the time all the games
These down-to-Earth, light-hearted tech vids are always a pleasure to watch, great stuff as usual!
Btw, could someone tell me what in-game tracking software is being used in Dawid's videos?
It'll be interesting to see which cpu is the best you can fit in the H410 without having vrm issues
Just realised I haven't been subned this whole time, love the channel and content honestly it's always super interesting! Would definitely be interested in more motherboard facts, never seen many people go over what's actually in the boards like the vrm.
Hope your Christmas was good too. It was quite Christmas for us here in San Diego since we're on lockdown (not that anyone is really staying home at this point as it's out 7th or 8th multi week lockdown). It at least it was nice out.
Idk man looks like a great combo for me i always get customers like this and you know what they say - the customer is always right.
Hei, I smell a story here
@@Sandeepan hey*
Ahh man i love your videos, the added humour just puts your videos in their own category. Keep up the good videos my guy
Prebuilt companies: Write that down! Write that down!
I know its not very enthusiast of me to say, but Im curious how the non-K 65 watt version of the 10th ten i9 performs in comparison to the K version tested here on this board
cheap motherboards have older display ports out since people probably buying the cheaper stuff use the older tech since thats all they can afford, makes sense.
@@jusunglee6673 no graphics card?
Being cheap on the motherboard is always a bad idea. Learned that lesson the hard way.
Anyways, another entertaining video, keep up the good work, Dawid:)
I bought a pre built from Amazon as my first PC in March when I used my dad's old gt 210 PC since 2011, I knew absolutely nothing about pcs so when I saw the big numbers i7 9700K, 16gb and rtx 2060 at a £1149 price we bought the PC, despite the seller obviously not stating the other components branding nor the powersupply
When it came, owning a new gaming PC made me glad I finally have such a thing, unaware of the terrible h310 motherboard I got, the powersupply was advertised as 600w but we got 500w without any brand name, we can't get a refund since the company ADMI also known as AWD-IT (AWDful-Isn'IT?) No longer sold the PC and we find out the psu was a scam in November, that was when I upgraded to the z390 and saw a way better performance boost and could finally overclock my ram and cpu safely we bagged the £250 gaming pro carbon ac at £174 for black Friday sales
@@absbrah38 Yea, prebuilt PCs are usually gimped in the motherboard department. Screwing over your clients to save a couple of bucks on the main board.
Minor correction to the video -- the power phases aren't doubled, they just have two sets of MOSFETS to spread the heat load out a bit. On a lot of boards you see 3 mosfets per phase, since only the low-side mosfet runs hot enough to need to be split into two in some VRM designs.
Budget gamers:
Bad motherboard go BRRRR
I couldn't afford even a good motherboard for my i5 10400, feels sad
Hi Dawid I love your videos even though I don't know much about hardware and still run an old 7+ year old advent pc. One game you should try out these rigs on is path of exile. Later in the game there is so many calculations going on that sometimes even the hardiest of rigs slow down to a sad FPS rate. The game shows you an FPS graph using one of the F keys. Only problem is you would have to venture to the point in the game where everything is 'kicking off' and not just fire up and check the FPS like the games you show. All the best and thank you for the content.
I'd be curious what throwing some little copper heatsinks on those VRM with a single 120 MM fan would do for those VRM's. I bet it would keep it from throttling and those heat sinks are pretty cheap on Amazon.
Hmm, you what would be interesting, what if you attached a heatsink to the VRM to help cool it, I wonder what the performance would be after an extended time then? Would it be able to hold 4.8GHz due to no temperature throttling, if its enough, though its only a small 4 phase design
I had a prebuilt with a Ryzen 5 3600 and A320 cheapo mobo. VRMs reached 120C when editing videos. Eventually smoke came out.
Oh, and it was an MSI "pro" motherboard. But it looked way cheaper than yours
It didn't perform that badly imo, it's not really a CPU+Mobo combination that would be common. Trying to run a i5-10400f on that H410M motherboard would be quite a lot more sensible and would likely work fairly well in most situations.
I like your Content. There is so much to learn for Me on building a Computer. I built all my pc by my own and all worked well But now i know, that i have to have also an eye on this little things. Thx man
So put some passive HS on the VRMs, leave the fan on em', and see if you can fix it :P
A top-down air cooler would help the motherboard here. It will cool the VRM a bit too. Alternatively, very good case cooling that also is set up to help the VRM will do good here as well.
When I saw the YT story Dawin made about this few days ago, I really thought the motherboard is from a pre-built PC
I would be curious if even a low end cpu would be throttled under load due to the vrm
Been waiting for this since you posted the poll
When the local computer parts shop have cpu and mobo combo
I9 10th gen ten core cpu with mobo
Included parts:
i9 cpu 10th gen
H410m pro
it can get 400+fps in csgo
with rtx 3080
RTX 3080 sold separately!
The fluctuation in results is a lot more alarming than I expected and this is the type of mobo that I'd expect in an eBay prebuilt. It would be interesting to see if you could "fix" this mobo by ghetto mounting some sort of cooling on those crappy vrms. Really interesting stuff, and really shows why you don't cheap on a mobo!
Actually, it's quite common practice in pre-builds. Even motherboard-CPU bundles have the same. I found quite a bit of listings with Ryzen 7 paired A320 mobo and memory 2133 or 2400. All marketing is based on how powerful CPU you get, missing the fact that rest of components will drag it down...
The mobo has holes for VRM cooler. Just get an aluminum sheet of the correct size, 3d print a holder or something and stick a few small heatsinks on it. Average cost 5-10EUR for the average maker and it will do the job very well (I ve done it for other mobo).
Is adding some sort of vrm heatsink able to prevent it from throttling?
I'm seeing a possibility someone with H410 might get used 10700 when used market pricing got really interesting
Missed chance to test it with some diy cooling applied to the vrm.
Lmao it hurt when you called this motherboard equivalent of a wet fart while me being not being able to afford a i3 build with this mobo 😂
Dawid: This luuuuzzaarr motherbard
Loser Motherboard: You're a loser...
3:26 to 3:40 - so many THIDDYs, like a THIDDY combo.
Its strange because it does look like they had intended to actually put a heatsink on the power delivery section of that motherboard with the 2 holes where they are around it, But then obviously decided a little piece of aluminium was going to eat into profit too much so skipped it, Would be interesting to see if adding a heatsink would have yield any different performance results.
love your videos bro keep up the good work
Late Christmas present.? Early morning dawid? Yes! No spellcheck that’s his name I swear!
That RGB header might be for prebuilt PCs. As long as the PC shines like a rainbow people will buy it. To make the throttling even more visible, you could've done a long blender render or run Cinebench on loop until the score reaches its lowest point. You could also attach some tiny heatsinks to see what difference they would make. And don't shame the Toyota, that VRM is a Geo Metro or something :D
loved this video - and all the indirect insults. : )
Never seen a motherboard so bad that the VRM tried to escape
Hey dude! I love your videos but can you make a 700$ budget gaming pc with a guide and gameplay? I really wanna build a computer but that's all I have for budget. Also for the gameplay can you showcase beamng, ACS (American trucking sim) and gta 5?
vrm's are meant to run "hot" compared to other components but i wonder if the measured temps are edge or junction?
Temps were made even worse with his choice of a cooler. Temps could have been way better if he had used an air cooler that pushes air towards the motherboard.
my prebuild: Am i looking at a mirror?
David i'd love if you had some cheap heatsinks to slap on and test how cheap it would actually be to make this board usable with a high end CPU. Temps would probably be even higher in a closed system for sure. It is actually interesting if it would only be like 1-2$ for some board makers to make this a non problem.
Testing something cheap with something it obviously shouldn't be used with/for a wonderfully typical video of Dawid's very entertaining channel. These videos are some of my favorites.
Fun video as usual. I think I'd be more curious to see this on AMD. One of the big advantages that everyone talks about on ryzen is that you can put a 5950x into like an x370 board. It would be great to see what that actually looks like.
2:36 HEY, I have a VGA monitor. It's good for testing.
Vga is still relevant. More than all dvi versions
0:20 that voice crack 😂
my internet is out but I'm still trying to watch this at 144p on my hotspot.
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Epic video dawid one question tho
Are you going to stream today
I just bought this motherboard to save some money to buy a nice PSU and other components, I had a tight budget so acquired an i5 10400 locked and a gtx 1660, is it going to work properly or it will throttle?
And also, should I cool my VRMs with some sort of copper plate?
Yes but for the price of the i9 and the m4shitboard is an i7 or an i5 with a b460 or a z490 a better value?????
PC gamer Friend: What Mobo did you get
Me: A Jerry Smith
PC Gamer friend: Ohhh noo
@Dawid Does Tech Stuff: Looks like the MB of a cheap office build, well there is your PRO ;)
Very good. Video. Hardware unboxed always told me to get best Ben motherboard for my ryzen set up but techyescity uses cheap a320. So I think if you are GPU bottlenecked it won't matter!
Dawid, I'd like to see an extensive test of this budget board, but when you slap on a bit of aluminium bar stock over tyhe VRM. Something that's not a heatsink per se, but will it work to give better performance?
Darn, I had ‘the motherboard equivalent of venereal disease’ in Dawid quote bingo. Maybe next time.
You should glue some heat syncs on the VRM and put a fan on it... I wonder if that would make a difference.
Does some h410 motherboards support m.2 nvme ssd? Can I put a gen 4 nvme in it
You know it's a good one when Dawid does the little giggles XD
video idea: maybe a video about what cpu whould be the best feet with a cheep motherboard (although 70-80$ is not cheep) so you do not lose performance and if the same cpu can perform better in the high end motherboard. This is something i want to see for a while.
Imagine even using a b460 board with that cpu gpu combo
Vrms, reaches 70c much better performance.
that would be interesting for a follow up scenario maybe
I have a z390 e with a i9 9900k and overclocked to 5ghzt and vrams never go above 55c in full load, Asus makes some nice mobos
I have a x570 tuf board with r7 3700x with rtx 3070
@@thealien_ali3382 I agree asus has good mobos
Woah, I was on board until you roasted the 1997 Toyota Carolla. Uncalled for.
Is this particular CPU model causing the power delivery to get hot or is the motherboard just bad at everything?
I would have liked to see if a lower end chip had the same effect on the temps, running the highe end/low end systems with the same ram speed(and the different max speeds) would have also been useful information in relation to frame rates.
Next time try putting heatsinks on the VRM, to see if a gamer on a tight budget can mod a cheap board to perform on a high end CPU. And before someone says "who pays top dollar on a CPU and cheaps out on the motherboard", 2nd hand buyers for upgrading computers do.
I run a MSI B450A-Pro Max, and it is just a non-RGB Tomahawk with slightly different rear I/O (in a way that makes no difference to me). Their Pro series can have some surprisingly well featured boards for what they cost.
I don't know for the H410 chipset, though. It clearly runs to Intel's spec at least, and not a toe over that line.
So how about putting a cheap heat sink(s) on the VRM? Is that $5 to $10 enough to justify the next motherboard up?
I noticed that you were running all core boost, would this motherboard work better if you left the per core boost operating? Or will video games always cause all cores to boost to the same clock speed? Just thinking that if one or two cores were at 5.0 and then 6 cores at like 4.6 or whatever it might run cooler? I never do this on my personal rig and have never tried this so I'm only speculating.
The 10850K is only a 125W chip. Realistically they used to make loads of motherboards with similar VRMs that ran the old power hungry Core2 series.
Can you find a cheap way to cool the VRMs? Try a tower style and downdraft air cooler maybe? Case fans? I like the idea of spending $60 on a motherboard instead of $160 and using that $100 on a better CPU and cooler.
So if you let it overheat is the CPU in danger or just the MOBO. Or everything?
What was the takeaway from this? Sorry, im a little bit dense.
Would it be wise to get a mobo like this and an i3 10100F and later add an i5 10600 for improvements in 1-2 years?
Try putting a heatsink on the vrm and redo the test. I'm am curious what the results would be.
Wonder if those universal VRM heatsinks from ebay would help bring the temps down?
C'mon David! Put a vrm heatsink and a fan if possible to make a janky setup. I was totally expecting you do that though. Do you already have that planned?