After studying conspiracy theories for over 15 years and following the broad online communities come and go, I can try to summarize what I think the state of things has come to. With the introduction of Q onto the scene, it completely fractured a big portion of the community and kind of sent things into a downward spiral (That along with the mass censorship and deletion of videos - I'd say about 90-95% of conspiracy videos have been deleted off RUclips). There is a small minority in the conspiracy theorist community, in which I would like to include myself, who still believes that both sides of the political system serve the agenda of the devil. Satan acts as a deceiver (chaos) and accuser (order), and has two factions that run behind the scenes and serve him. The Dark side (Satanism) vs the Light Side (Luciferianism). There seems to be a pattern throughout history of spiraling degeneracy into the darkness, which calls for a rallying response from the light to implement the intended change. Hegelian Dialect, Problem-Reaction-Solution > Dark Side > Light Side > Evil Intended Goal. When they worship the light though, it is the false light of Lucifer. Right now in our world we have seen everything plunge into the chaotic world of darkness (wokeness, the great reset etc) and I have seen a growing demand for revenge and action (which will come from the light side, the accusers). This will be a harsh judgment that will end in a Universal Totalitarian system, ironically a totalitarian system that the light side was fighting to prevent from the darkness. Christ is truly the narrow path, THE truth, and THE light, not one of many truths or one of many lights.
Pageau touched on this a bit in his interview with Dan Sherver. Right wing and left wing extremism are both anti-Christian. They're really kind of the same thing when you think about it. The left wants completely fractured multiplicity and chaos, but also for everyone to be one beige, sexless blob. The right wants uniformity, law and order, but also rugged individualism. People deep into politics (as many are these days) worship nothing higher than their politics, and therefore worship false idols. A progressive without Christ is progressing towards what, exactly? A conservative is trying to conserve what, exactly?
@@drednaught608What could be simpler than triunity of God, with his omnipotence not in any way related to evils of the world 😅 Alternatively, it's just a cargo cult macaroni of the cults of deep past and you ought to basically numb yourself into believing that not only it makes sense but is simplicity itself 😂
I'm a sucker for profound quotes. The pure reactionary is not a dreamer of abolished pasts, but a hunter of sacred shades on the eternal hills... The reactionary does not aspire to turn back, but rather to change direction. The past that he admires is not a goal but an exemplification of his dreams.” ― Nicolás Gómez Dávila
The problem with this is that many conspiracy theories are not only correct as metaphors and analogies but factually accurate. The mistake lies in something else, which is to think that the dark web of evil people are interconnected explicitly in their endeavors, they are mostly not connected because they work in the occult, so they are guided by a spirit that is the one making the connections, so the interrelation between facts are not a conspiracy of people explicitly that's why many times they can't be linked explicitly. But don't be naive to think that this is simply a mythical correlation and not a real pattern being embodied in real life. There are people doing crazy stuff, I have know people in my own family who practiced crazy things and sacrificed animals and stuff like that, we are just noticing the patterns, that's why myths are coming back, to speak at the pattern level.
This. If you think it's metaphor it's because you don't have a clue about whats actually happening in the world. Search how many kids go missing every year. Watch the sound of freedom. This stuff is really happening to real victims. To call it metaphor or compare it to fairy tales is absolutely ridiculous. Same with so many other so called conspiracy theories. NASA lied about the moon landings, anyone that has an ounce of critical thinking will understand that. It's not a joke.
This is the phenomenon which Shiva Ayyadurai has coined the phrase "the swarm" for; which perfectly sums up the interconnectedness without explicit awareness. ruclips.net/video/m_3Nf6xjeFs/видео.html
I love the lizard people conspiracy theory lol. It’s my favorite because it doesn’t have to be true but what it notes is that we believe the leaders to be inhuman. The way they rule shows absolute disregard for humanity so therefore they must be lizard people. And consider the choice of lizards. Lizards are the mortal enemies of mammals. As JBP noted, the dragon is the chimeric predator of all things that frightened our ancient mammalian brain (lizard, snake, bird, fire). Also, note the similarities to the mythological dragon as well. The monster that eats people and hoards riches. Except the modern “dragons” can take on the forms of people and so they are the lizard people. It doesn’t help that the lizard people want us to “eat the bugs.” It does make you wonder why so many things link up in that way.
I’ve been taking this stuff to heart. Neurologists say there’s a close relationship between creative imagination and memory, too. I’ve started committing poetry and scripture to memory to tap back into the nonpathological functioning of the human brain. It occurs to me that the bizarrely autistic normal way of conceiving of rationality and truth in modern times must have at least something to do with how differently we use our brains, and one thing that’s fallen off the map since smartphones is memorizing anything accurately.
Interesting thing to do, I think your onto something there. Rhyme has a sense of urgency to it, so maybe it motivates us to do something rather than feeling powerless.
Dante knew Virgil’s Aeneid by heart and there are still Italians who have memorized the entire Commedia, including a person working the land. Your idea is inspiring.
@@devin_3875 I’m trying to memorize oedipus rex, but that’s a work in progress. I’ve been memorizing short poems by Blake and Tennyson and Longfellow, etc, but I’ve already managed to accrue more than You’d think. The Raven, Songs of Innocence introduction, the village smithy, the lady of shallot (anything Anne of green gables can do, I can lol), and I’m working on rime of the ancient mariner. Apparently I need to work on memorizing the list of poems I’ve memorized because it’s growing, and that never occurred to me. An Irish airmen meets his fate, a rose is a rose, fire and ice by Robert frost. Robert frost poems for some reason are almost impossible not to memorize after a couple of readings. He had some unearthly ability to use words in a way that each line compels you on to the next. I’ve been meaning to see if linguists have offered any study of this (it might just be me, but it’s rarely just you when it comes to language). If you try this I promise you’ll quickly surprise yourself how much you can memorize without running out of space or mixing it all up. It’s an easy way to build self confidence, though I’ve yet to find anyone willing to sit still and let me recite poetry at them, so it’s not an impressive trick to anyone but the person doing it. I’m like I’ve just discovered I can do google’s whole job, be impressed lol. But I understand why they aren’t, because Google can do it for us.
Chesterton asserted in The Everlasting Man that cannibalism, ie baby eating, was and is most likely to show up in highly civilized times and places and by people who knew it was wrong and did it precisely because it was wrong. We tend to think, ‘oh surely only Barbarians do that.’ But perhaps not so.
@@arwenstrong2818 it came to me in a dream Actually I just remember reading about cases sporadically I have no idea where to point you. I was thinking about a king's mummified heart getting eaten but turns out that was one that was exhumed and rescued from french revolutionaries who were desecrating royal graveyards... then got eaten by a random scientist a few decades later. But I know there were random other reports of mob cannibalism. They had a habit of dismembering people and occasionally a limb or two would get grabbed and taken away to be eaten
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear you say the word "neofeudalism". I thought I was alone in thinking that we are in that age now. Its been on my mind for a couple years now. Ownership generally is either destroyed, under attack, or being surrendered for safety. Ownership is rapidly becoming something for elites only. I would argue that in finance, housing, and politics, we've been under a feudal system for years now. The hold out individuals just haven't been completely routed yet. Once ownership is destroyed for most people, while a very few set of others flaunt their ownership to all. Then proceed to impoverish the have nots. There is no other way out except violent rebellion. We're there now. Us younger people just haven't picked up the gun yet. But I am very positive that its soon.
Unlike in the past, when violent revolution could upend the feudal system, this time we have world-spanning mind-control in the form of algorithmic social media. A new technological power that can be used to nudge/divert the world populace into compliance. The covid years were a painful demonstration of how this works.
My family preaches give up your house! Give up your house! You can’t take care of it. But as a renter, instead of having your own house, you are a fuedal serf
@@nektulosnewbieare you saying that elite child sex trafficking only exists as some sort of metaphor? If so, you're just wrong. Never heard of Jimmy saville or Jeffery Epstein? Never watched Orthodox aplogist Jay Dyer's videos on esoteric Hollywood? This stuff is 100% literally, physically real.
@@naikhanomtom7552 there is that and then there is the exotic, elaborate framework which is built around such things that is the hallmark of conspiracy theories. Conspiracies do happen, but they are mundane matters, the banality of evil, like for instance a group of people coming together to carve up an entire continent without the knowledge of the people there that wasn't some sensational thing a group of "them" were up do in dark rooms, it was the Berlin Conference and it triggered the Scramble for Africa. That's what is interesting about conspiracy theories, they are very infused by mystery and yet are descended from the reductionist tradition of Protestantism that saw the emergence of Witch hunting that was treated not as a completely religious issue but a judicial and even medical one. Witches were a disease that needed to be cured in order to restore health a society made ill by their activity. They needed to be found, prosecuted and dealt with, rather than treated as the dissident, ignorant Christians that had gone astray as witches had been and were in the Middle Ages.
Love Mary’s coinage game “neo-feudal meme-plex we call the internet”, “Disney will rape Snow White”, “normophobia” just a few of the gems from this discussion
Something important that people forget about myths, conspiracies, and symbolism is that they are all still important because they all still deal with and convey truth. The first time I was able to articulate this was watching when the levees broke, when it was already an old documentary. I felt like the urban legends weren’t fact-based necessarily, but it told me an important and sad truth that people chose that as the story to tell about something that happened. A more important truth, even, than actual mere facts could. Once you understand that, you can see why jonathan is such a genius.
@salliemaygo6336 I meant the documentary about it. There’s a whole introductory part that delves into another flood that’s notorious among the black community, and it shaped how they felt about how Katrina was managed. To me, the fact that people even thought some of those stories might be true conveyed a whole world of hurt, and that was the more important thing than trying to track down forensic evidence to either dismiss or support the claims made in the stories. Sometimes you just have to listen and hear what people are really talking about. I was young at the time, so the concept of listen instead of argue was a revelation 😋
Absolutely fantastic! 👏👏What a great convergence of ideas from different perspectives. I love the amount of "aha"s from Jonathan receiving insights from Mary. I am so used to it going the other way. But it just speaks to Jonathan's genuine openness and humilty, despite his undisputed brilliance. Can't wait for more!! ❤
Something that really excited me during the conversation came at the very and of the discussion was when Jonathan was talking about how different young people conceptualize the idea of the self and their own identity. There's so much focus on identity these days but Jonathan said it himself it's inundated with fluidity. People these days, the kids growing up, have no concept of "who i am" it is only "who i am right now" and when people change who they are right now they abandon what they were before...like their old names they call them deadnames. they are meaningless. so who you are is no longer the sum of your life, your choices, your experiences as you grow from a child to and adult. Instead they make a declarative statement "i identify as..." and suddenly they are a new person, and they expect to be treated as this new being apriori of all the things they were before. I don't know how someone can build an identity when they view the world that way.
It’s a corruption of the rebirthing required to be a sane stable human being. They kill the past instead of integrating it into the new rebirth and therefore it is a very hollow identity. An identity where one integrates the shadow, the mistakes, the horrors experienced and then is reborn again is a soul that is deep and has a true identity. There was a notable Benjamin Boyce interview of a d-trns (trying to avoid the censors) and she said that she didn’t regret what she has gone through. It angered a lot of viewers in the comments because they wanted to hear her demonize the process but what they don’t realize is that she had integrated that experience into who she is today. Without going through that experience, she wouldn’t be who she is and MANY ppl rejected that concept because they themselves have never learned to rebirth. It’s not just the kids that refuse to integrate their shadows. I reckon much of why society is so messed up is because ppl refuse to be self-aware. They ignore trauma in their lives and never integrate it into who they are and just live life with a suppressed demon spazzing out of them when things get really difficult. The movement we see is a physical culmination of what society has been doing for multitudes of generations. Just ignoring trauma and using the medical field to try and forget our ills.
I really hope Jonathan digs into this idea of a return to feudalism. The correlations between the direction our current socioeconomic state and the medieval feudal state are endless. Something lit up in my mind when she mentioned return to feudalism.
I fully agree with you. I thought I was alone when I would think about neofeudalism. Been thinking about it for years now. So glad I'm not alone. Because for all intents and purposes, we've been there for years. Most people just haven't realized how much of our freedom is nothing more than illusion. The illusion of choice.
Thank you Mary and Jonathan, brilliant and beautiful discussion. I listen meditatively to your conversation with John Vereaka's 3r's, 4p's, 4e's and it is s beautiful. Thank you......all of you..
Keep in mind that “symbolism happens”, meaning these symbols, myths and so forth (culturally salient conspiracy theories) are not just empty stories, they actually manifest into the world in tangible form because they represent truths of how reality is structured.
59:00 "the bad guy", proud, and resistant to all boundaries. "Don't draw his attention." The outrageously insightful, even darkly funny, pinnacle of an already great conversation.
Great topic Jonathan. A full conversation between yourself and Neil Oliver expanding on how conspiracies overlap with man's natural patterns through time would be something to behold and a real turning point in these kinds of fruitful onversations. God bless.
Neil Oliver says so many ignorant anti-Christian things (eg “the catholic church” chained the gospels to the altar so no one could read them) I find him pretty well unlistenable :(
@@annalynn9325 I won't disagree with you on that point. He definitely talks like a Scottish Protestant when discussing the reformation. But that's even more why this would be interesting. Pageau is Orthodox and thinks the reformation was a bad thing for Christianity. Different perspectives make for more interesting discussions.
The bards of old knew how to record events. The detail didnt matter, because what they were recording was the movement of life through time and history. The Gaelic Bardic schools training was in rhyme and rythmn. There is an urgency to the rythmic as it carrys you along with it. The story comes later because you get rid of the devil, by telling the story.
I feel ya. It's an unfortunate consequence of getting your eyes opened to some of the things, the powers of this world are up to. I suppose, though, that it is still preferable to be aware of that, then it is to be blind and ignorant. Or else the changes that are put into place will come as a surprise, when in reality, much is planned.
Old spell check was based off proximity to the keyboard location word check, new auto correct is horrible in comparison. Chat gpt is formaldehyde soaked bits of peoples brains blended in a jar that we shoot electricity through and callen it life cause it’s twitching
This was such a good conversation, I hope we get a part two not so far in the future! I wonder if there are book recommendations about specifically the topics talked about here? That is, 'post-modernity' and its war against normality. Perhaps something about 'neo-feudalism' (dunno if you came up with this term in this convo yourself, or if it has been coined by someone else already, but I find it incredibly fitting). Any good book recommendations for self-schooling and autodidactic learning would be hugely appreciated.
Until you've read the Podesta emails, you shouldn't say there's no baby eating going on. There's really not much else the codewords in those emails could have been describing.
This. To think it's all metaphor is absolutely wide of the mark. Epstein Island wasn't a fucking metaphor, it was a pace where real politicians and elites abused real children.
@@localuser190 I think Jonathan should talk to Jay dyer or David Patrick Harry about this stuff. He probably means well but they are massively over intellectualising this stuff. It's real in an absolutely objective literal sense, not symbolically or metaphorically.
@@naikhanomtom7552 i hope that he means well but when i look at who he is associating with via this ARC thing I am not convinced that revealing the true face of things is going to be on the agenda.
5:56 bullshit! If you think thats not true then your kidding yourself. Its real my mother was almost sacrificed when she was young. It traumatized her she literally crys about it all the time. You can think im crazy but i believe the fear in my mother's eyes. If you think its not real research the occult more. Crowley straight up gives exact directions on how to do the rituals in the book of the law. High level Thelemaites are really doing this. People at the bohemian grove are doing it which is down the street from my house. Ive met people who have been to the sacrifices. Sorry to break your bubbles but evil is real and its NOT A FAERY TAIL
Ye this was shocking considering the latest expose. I wonder what the motive is here. Is it cope? Like its too shocking for these who are oh so smarter than we lowly peasants? And wtf is a crypto Marxist?
I don’t think they’re that naive to believe it isn’t real. It is interesting that many of these stories have already existed in folklore for a very long time. Witches and vampires for instance. Look at the story of Hansel and Gretel. The witch is one that lures children to her candy home to eat them. One would have to be naive to think this is the only time this has happened in human history. The problem is ppl believe modernity was the end all be all of all that stuff but it was just a mask to hide it all in the background. We were safer when we believed it to be real.
I loke vision of the Wasosky brothers in Neo meeting the Architect. It's profound. Came to my mind when you guys adressed 'normativity' I enjoyed the talk. Thank you.
@@oldman_eleven I have good faith in Pageau having the best of intentions. I am assuming Harrington just might not be quite as redpilled because of her time in academia despite how on point she is about a great many things.
I am completely convinced that the AI ultra "god" which humanity is desperately trying to create IS the antichrist. If you think about it it makes sense and aligns perfectly with scripture. What else could possibly be the antichrist if not humanities tip of creation of ultimate pride? The antichrist couldn't be human after all.
This is what I think the end of Game of Thrones was really about-- Bran being made king, because he was "wise" but cold and no humanity left in him. Tell me he doesn't embody AI
49:40 this is the crux and very powerful. We can't pretend we are anything else than human. Ideologies that go against human nature are doomed for failure.
She does. In an ever so slightly intimidatingly direct way. As an Englishman who's had a lot of German friends, she has a very German persona. Anyway.. I digress, but a curious character. Perhaps a lizard, that's probably it.
There were a lot of contradictions in this. Someone claiming to believe in intellectual property rights and the family declaring themselves a Marxist in the same conversation. The outright denial of established facts surrounding SRA and its victims. I'm not really sure what the point of this was, Jonathan. You discussed what are very real, concrete things as if they were theories, fantasies or mere ideas. And i think you both know it. The conversation over intellectualized to the point of stupidity and showed a lack of self awareness in both of you.
My thoughts exactly. I love the content Jonathan puts out but this one was so wide of the mark it's ridiculous. They were talking about 100% real physical events and trying to explain them away as myth and comparing them to fairy tale. I think they (or at least Mary) can't comprehend that maybe the world doesn't work like their academic mind was led to believe. If anyone thinks elite child abuse or Joe Biden being senile are conspiracy theories then they are literally just ignoring reality at this point.
When you can read the medical research papers online, and even listen ro explanations and discussions of that reasearch, it begins to expose the degree to which your doctor's ability to actually treat YOU and not to react as prescribed by a higher authority is becoming painfully obvious. This is where thought trammelled by dogmatic paradigms appears very similar to AI in its lack of specificity and insight into the individual as a person.
Pleased that Jonathan is a long term optimist but I wonder when you consider that before Christianity the pagan world was perhaps not much different to where we are now then is it right to assume we will somehow revert to what the was only normative in a Christian world.
We can never go back from being Christian. Christ is king. His Church are His hands and feet living out the kingdom now. We are looking at a very small slice of history... and He will resolve it in the end.
Fascinating notion that normativity has become the enemy. The insult of "normie" comes to mind, as well as concept of "the new normal" during the pandemic. I guess you could swap the words around only a little to conclude that the Enemy has become normatized. That highlights on a new level what an incredibly terrible state the world is in, and why it is so difficult to get people to stop it. The Fall has reached a state of freefall.
Immediately after this, I got recommended a video of Father Spyridon titled "WHEN WE FALL, HOW DO WE GET BACK UP?", so I'll put what he said here. 1. First, self-condemnation is required. 2. Then, we confess. Finding forgiveness, through the grace of the sacrament. 3. Then, we are to repent: to renounce our evil and not return to it. 4. Then. we pray, by which we enter union with God. I do not know whether these steps can be performed by humanity as a whole, or only a portion, but I suppose that's what would need to happen throughout humanity in some shape or form, in order to stop its fall. As usual I suppose I'll start with myself. I hope that helps...
The great British conservative thinker and philosopher Roger Scruton often remarked that conservatism is very hard to articulate, which is why conservatives suck at explaining it. I think conservatives/reactionaries should be poets, play writers and musicians. That's the only way of conveying eternal truths.
Hi, Mary! (*waves*) I am reading your book. I have just one question for you, and this really bothers me: How in the world can you say you are in favor of normality, human nature, and the needs of children, and then in the next breath casually add, "I'm a Marxist"??? The Marxism I am familiar with is antithetical to the household, consisting of father, mother, and children, as the basic unit of society. It is against people having their own homes, farms, or vehicles, or even raising their own children. Abolishing private property is also profoundly against human nature. Perhaps we are thinking of a couple of other fellows?
Maybe the words you were looking for (for moments when "conspiracies" turned out to be true but still kept being seen as conspiracies) are "being under a spell".😅
How different would the world be if a reasonable payment system had been implemented at the start of the internet such that each webpage browsed cost 1 cent to view? Suddenly there is an incentive for consumers to be discerning and salaciousness would not have such a stranglehold on the internet.
To be honest I may become a patron simply because you said "neofeudalism". We are there. And if you dont believe it look at the consolidation of the housing market as your entry example. Richies building wealth farms out of a necessity for life to the point where entire generations are being priced out of house ownership. What those greedy monsters dont understand, is that once you make ownership too expensive for the next generation because you dont know when to stop. You've now removed a mechanism which forced people to care about their country. Ownership meant skin in the game for your nation. But now, in their ever growing quest of greed, they will make living too expensive for the average joe. Once thats done, then most people will have nothing to loose. Thats when heads start rolling. Maybe thats whats needed. The tree of freedom has been in a drought for a while.
I'm not looking forward to a Terror, TBH. The purge never stops with the 1%. It takes on a life of its own. And it gives all the power to the angriest and most violent people.
@@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev- only with the French. The Americans did it differently. Hopefully, the English model succeeds and we don’t have another Terror. It’s why having faith in God is so critical to everything that is happening.
@@umiluv Yeah, the American Revolution wasn't a violent uprising of oppressed lower classes like what OP is calling for. It was educated, upper-class British colonists demanding the rights they should have had under British Common Law. Also, they were fighting a power that had to come from overseas, not doing a purge of the wealthy people in their own community. They didn't intend the American Revolution to be a populist uprising, but a restoration of the kind of rule of law that had developed over millennia in Britain. That's why our "revolution" was the only one in history that didn't devolve into a Terror and then result in either a strongman worse than the previous dictator, or decades of civil war between competing strongmen. Because it wasn't really a "revolution" in the usual sense.
Carl Yung visited the US several times and he said that in ENgland the culture is described by "gentleman" and France "honor" and the US culture is "greatness" due to Indian native influence. And this is what Trump magnifies and recalls in his policy.
A lot of this is a cope for not being able to handle that there are people who are as advanced in comparison to the average person as we are to cows. This is like the cows trying to understand human culture. People are ruled by very advanced nearly eternal entities and those entities are attached to various groups and bloodlines just like Christ is attached to the Orthodox Church.
Nationalism may be dead but mostly only in the "West". We have to remember that the west is not the entire globe. Ultimately what the elites think, etc doesn't mean anything unless they can get the citizenry to agree and go along. The current geopolitical situation makes me think that nationalism will not be the four letter word it is considered now for too much longer. Oh and nationalism does not need to equal 1930-40's political/idealogical group. It's the pendulum trope... we've swung so far to one side of the pendulum against nationalism that it's only a matter of time before it comes back. The trick will be to ensure that it doesn't swing too far and we end up with those 30-40's type folks.
Excellent talk and insights, thank you both. You mentioned Paul Kingston. I looked him up but only found info about a convicted cult leader. I suppose you were talking about someone else. Can you please refer me to his work, it sounds interesting, thank you.
Please help out a non-native with understanding which has been said at 22:17 „discourse again I mean people talk about which is just a you know that's a that's just a modern kind of West Coast“ I think she was not refering to agriculture, or was she ? : D As long as the Auto-Script is not working properly, there might be hope for the non cyborgs . Thank you
Convenient that she is against the war on normality when it comes to things she dislikes, but she was not against normality when it was women not being educated etc.
Mary Harrington: "Most of the stuff that I write in that sense is emminently forgettable." Agreed. Likewise with most of what she said in this interview. She sounds like she might have been a former writer for The Atlantic or New York Times who, several years ago, suddenly found a drastically shrinking audience for her pablum and so changed her name and is now trying to resuscitate her career by making sense of conspiracy theory for other people who still think the world must make sense through their credentials.
This. It's actually ridiculous. She doesn't have a single clue what she's talking about but she's an academic and has a posh accent so obviously us idiots can't comprehend the symbolic patterns behind the 'conspiracy theory' of Joe Biden being senile. Is she actually being serious?
Alex Jones comment is on the mark. He drives me nuts (calling High German an ethnic term and not a linguistic one), but cutting through his BS his distilled point can be true. I ran into that hearing him on Rogan declaring that "the elites have made a pact with interdimensional space vampires to feed children to them in exchange for the elite being given immortality!!!". The language is crazy and hilarious, but then you see what many people express and you start to the pattern in it that rings true even if the guys wrong. IMO, I still feel he does more harm than good.
@@benjaminlquinlan8702 misrepresenting threat is the problem. It produces a chicken little response in people in reaction to sensationalz overblown claims.
The "AI Counselor" actually doesn't sound that horrifying. I'd hope there's some sort of human oversight obviously, but these sorts of diagnostic tasks are well suited to "AI". If it's a matter of, the "AI" screens you and hands you off to a human if required, that could be a reasonable method of adding efficiency to the existing system. "AI artist", "AI leader", "objective AI", these are all fantasies that will only be in existence so long as enough delusional people support them (which unfortunately appears to be the case). But explicit pattern recognition is something these programs (there is no intelligence there, call them what they are) can do better than humans.
This discussion swims in pure cognitive dissonance… just leave your diapers, take a walk outside your fantasy…and smell the coffe… REALLY WILL CATCH YOU TO…SOON
Mary especially is absolutely deluded. You can tell she's a typical university educated, brainwashed liberal type who sees her self as being far more clued up than she actually is. She thinks she is so smart taking about myth and fairy tale, not realising that the so called myths she's talking about (except for the really ridiculous ones) are 100% real. She called Trump 'orange man' and said Biden being senile is a conspiracy theory. Says all you need to know about her.
In many ways, the conspiracy theorist represents the opposite philosophy that Jordan Peterson espouses. Now, I am speaking here of those who seek conspiracies, and not those who conclude one based on evidence and reasoning. From what I have observed, it is my view that many people engage in conspiracy-like thinking as a way to escape responsibility. Now, I am certain there are many "conspiracies" which are factual and "true", but I speak of those people who begin their analysis with the conclusion that there is a conspiracy at work and not those who analyze a subject logically, then conclude afterward of a conspiracy. For example, I have seen that hours after a shooting has taken place, there will occasionally be people who claim that it was a hoax or staged. What I really think is happening is that when people say, "this was all planned." "It was no accident." "It was their goal all along." "This is exactly what they wanted." What they are doing is separating themselves entirely from the event, and putting the blame entirely on a scapegoat, some secret overlord and mastermind who is behind the curtain. This is done in order to give super-human or even supernatural reasons for why terrible things happen. Lets take that lizard people example. If some powerful alien masterminds are the ones really controlling the government, as opposed to something more mundane, like our politicians are corrupt and incompetent, than it becomes much easier to absolve one's self from the responsibility of enacting any change. For the simple reason that you can't be expected to do much about a government of lizards, but if they are just humans making mistakes, then the inevitable question comes up, why aren't you doing anything to help? Jordan Peterson has spoken extensively about responsibility, and I still think to a certain degree, many people have not fully embraced his ideas on this subject. Its hard enough to take responsibility for your life, but to take responsibility for your whole neighborhood, your city, or even your whole nation? Such responsibility can crush one into dust, so it is no wonder why people, in my opinion would seek to absolve themselves of such responsibility by placing the blame on various problems on people who are supremely powerful, intelligent and well-connected. Because it couldn't possibly be your fault, could it? But it is your fault. You want to know the real reason the pandemic happened the way it did, because you let it happen! Why were kids forced to wear masks and get vaccines? Not some conspiracy, but because you were too weak and cowardly to stand up and say something! The reason why Joe Biden got elected? Because you allowed it to happen with your incompetence and ineptitude. The reason the economy is falling apart and crime is rising? You guessed it, your fault again. Maybe if you weren't such a lazy drunk who can't even hold down a job, then maybe the world wouldn't be falling apart around you. But no, its not your fault is it? Its obvious that the international bankers are to blame, the WEF, the U.N. the lizardmen, anyone but you! How about you take some responsibility for once in your miserable life?! There is one quote I think that best exemplifies the opposite attitude of the conspiracy theorist and it is this, "All the detriments in this world stem from a lack of individual ability." Maybe, its not always true, but it's something to think about. Be very wary of conspiracy theories that blames everything on faceless people. No labyrinth is inescapable. If there is a problem in front of you, my advice is to use your head and actually try to tackle it, failing that, speak truthfully about it.
I think you underestimate the expanse of the quaint dystopia we've built for ourselves. GAI therapy may not be ideal, but stateside we cant afford it and north of the border you cant staff enough trained professionals to support your population. The only realistic alternative would be outsourced labor. Either as virtual therapy or migrant professionals. God forbid addressing underlying social and economic issues.
No, there ain't no letter 'g' on the werd falutin, unless you're being haaah falutin, that is... Also there b'aint no 'p' in excerpt lahk thyr ain't no 'p' in receipt. No 'k' in knee. No reason for the insertion of sturff jurst to soound right clever neither. Harrington ftw btw Edit: If not exactly 'ftw' then a great interlocutor.
It’s so funny the conspiracy theorists are totally open to being wrong …. The other side thinks they are always right …… just look at what they did and all they got wrong ….. just be open minded … it’s not hard … the people who claim everyone else is always wrong seem to have a lot of forgiveness for their own kids who are getting a lot wrong ……. They want us to have understanding for them ….. and we do ….. it is them who need to “do the work” lol 🤣🤣🤣
I like to think (it has to be!) of a cybernetic ecology where we are free of our labors and joined back to nature, returned to our mammal brothers and sisters, and all watched over by machines of loving grace (AI counselors).
Peterson was a good gateway drug into self improvement until the religion stuff came along and now he shoehorns it into literally every conversation and it's awkward and unnecessary for the guest and wastes a ton of time. He's now pretty insufferable and has grown too big for his Joker suit britches. (They are very interesting suits. The designer is very creative and uses wonderful fabrics😂.) I appreciate him for the time in my life when I found him, I really needed someone to show me how to debate with myself in a healthier manner than I had before. If I were to discover him now, I don't know that I would be that interested in him. Which is sad, because I use a lot of tools I learned from him. My life is infinitely better than it was and continues to improve. I see lots of other individuals popping up and making sense though o not all is lost. And there are far better speakers on religious topics anyway that don't confuse the shit out of you 2 minutes in, serving the biggest tossed salad of words with lots of side track croutons on top! 😂😂😂 I learned that from him too evidently. 😅Damn. 😮😅
After studying conspiracy theories for over 15 years and following the broad online communities come and go, I can try to summarize what I think the state of things has come to. With the introduction of Q onto the scene, it completely fractured a big portion of the community and kind of sent things into a downward spiral (That along with the mass censorship and deletion of videos - I'd say about 90-95% of conspiracy videos have been deleted off RUclips). There is a small minority in the conspiracy theorist community, in which I would like to include myself, who still believes that both sides of the political system serve the agenda of the devil. Satan acts as a deceiver (chaos) and accuser (order), and has two factions that run behind the scenes and serve him. The Dark side (Satanism) vs the Light Side (Luciferianism). There seems to be a pattern throughout history of spiraling degeneracy into the darkness, which calls for a rallying response from the light to implement the intended change. Hegelian Dialect, Problem-Reaction-Solution > Dark Side > Light Side > Evil Intended Goal. When they worship the light though, it is the false light of Lucifer. Right now in our world we have seen everything plunge into the chaotic world of darkness (wokeness, the great reset etc) and I have seen a growing demand for revenge and action (which will come from the light side, the accusers). This will be a harsh judgment that will end in a Universal Totalitarian system, ironically a totalitarian system that the light side was fighting to prevent from the darkness. Christ is truly the narrow path, THE truth, and THE light, not one of many truths or one of many lights.
Pageau touched on this a bit in his interview with Dan Sherver. Right wing and left wing extremism are both anti-Christian. They're really kind of the same thing when you think about it. The left wants completely fractured multiplicity and chaos, but also for everyone to be one beige, sexless blob. The right wants uniformity, law and order, but also rugged individualism.
People deep into politics (as many are these days) worship nothing higher than their politics, and therefore worship false idols. A progressive without Christ is progressing towards what, exactly? A conservative is trying to conserve what, exactly?
Both sides are "of the world" for sure. God bless
Every good video on the targeted individual program gets deleted
Simplicity of Christ cuts away all the distractions and gives you the path forward. Love it!
@@drednaught608What could be simpler than triunity of God, with his omnipotence not in any way related to evils of the world 😅 Alternatively, it's just a cargo cult macaroni of the cults of deep past and you ought to basically numb yourself into believing that not only it makes sense but is simplicity itself 😂
I'm a sucker for profound quotes.
The pure reactionary is not a dreamer of abolished pasts, but a hunter of sacred shades on the eternal hills... The reactionary does not aspire to turn back, but rather to change direction. The past that he admires is not a goal but an exemplification of his dreams.” ― Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Davila -- good
Yeah, this is so good. ❤🔥😌❤🔥
Excellent post. Thank you.
The problem with this is that many conspiracy theories are not only correct as metaphors and analogies but factually accurate. The mistake lies in something else, which is to think that the dark web of evil people are interconnected explicitly in their endeavors, they are mostly not connected because they work in the occult, so they are guided by a spirit that is the one making the connections, so the interrelation between facts are not a conspiracy of people explicitly that's why many times they can't be linked explicitly. But don't be naive to think that this is simply a mythical correlation and not a real pattern being embodied in real life. There are people doing crazy stuff, I have know people in my own family who practiced crazy things and sacrificed animals and stuff like that, we are just noticing the patterns, that's why myths are coming back, to speak at the pattern level.
This. If you think it's metaphor it's because you don't have a clue about whats actually happening in the world. Search how many kids go missing every year. Watch the sound of freedom. This stuff is really happening to real victims. To call it metaphor or compare it to fairy tales is absolutely ridiculous.
Same with so many other so called conspiracy theories. NASA lied about the moon landings, anyone that has an ounce of critical thinking will understand that. It's not a joke.
Like attracts like, and everything that rises must converge.
conspiracy theories are conspiracy facts
This is the phenomenon which Shiva Ayyadurai has coined the phrase "the swarm" for; which perfectly sums up the interconnectedness without explicit awareness.
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I love the lizard people conspiracy theory lol. It’s my favorite because it doesn’t have to be true but what it notes is that we believe the leaders to be inhuman. The way they rule shows absolute disregard for humanity so therefore they must be lizard people.
And consider the choice of lizards. Lizards are the mortal enemies of mammals. As JBP noted, the dragon is the chimeric predator of all things that frightened our ancient mammalian brain (lizard, snake, bird, fire).
Also, note the similarities to the mythological dragon as well. The monster that eats people and hoards riches. Except the modern “dragons” can take on the forms of people and so they are the lizard people.
It doesn’t help that the lizard people want us to “eat the bugs.” It does make you wonder why so many things link up in that way.
THE Dragon, that Old Serpent, is the original lizard. It's in our DNA to see this in people who are like him.
I’ve been taking this stuff to heart. Neurologists say there’s a close relationship between creative imagination and memory, too. I’ve started committing poetry and scripture to memory to tap back into the nonpathological functioning of the human brain. It occurs to me that the bizarrely autistic normal way of conceiving of rationality and truth in modern times must have at least something to do with how differently we use our brains, and one thing that’s fallen off the map since smartphones is memorizing anything accurately.
Interesting thing to do, I think your onto something there. Rhyme has a sense of urgency to it, so maybe it motivates us to do something rather than feeling powerless.
Dante knew Virgil’s Aeneid by heart and there are still Italians who have memorized the entire Commedia, including a person working the land. Your idea is inspiring.
I REALLY like this! What poems have you memorized?
Might have a little something to do with the rise of autism diagnoses
@@devin_3875 I’m trying to memorize oedipus rex, but that’s a work in progress. I’ve been memorizing short poems by Blake and Tennyson and Longfellow, etc, but I’ve already managed to accrue more than You’d think. The Raven, Songs of Innocence introduction, the village smithy, the lady of shallot (anything Anne of green gables can do, I can lol), and I’m working on rime of the ancient mariner. Apparently I need to work on memorizing the list of poems I’ve memorized because it’s growing, and that never occurred to me. An Irish airmen meets his fate, a rose is a rose, fire and ice by Robert frost. Robert frost poems for some reason are almost impossible not to memorize after a couple of readings. He had some unearthly ability to use words in a way that each line compels you on to the next. I’ve been meaning to see if linguists have offered any study of this (it might just be me, but it’s rarely just you when it comes to language). If you try this I promise you’ll quickly surprise yourself how much you can memorize without running out of space or mixing it all up. It’s an easy way to build self confidence, though I’ve yet to find anyone willing to sit still and let me recite poetry at them, so it’s not an impressive trick to anyone but the person doing it. I’m like I’ve just discovered I can do google’s whole job, be impressed lol. But I understand why they aren’t, because Google can do it for us.
Chesterton asserted in The Everlasting Man that cannibalism, ie baby eating, was and is most likely to show up in highly civilized times and places and by people who knew it was wrong and did it precisely because it was wrong. We tend to think, ‘oh surely only Barbarians do that.’ But perhaps not so.
Should look up how much weird cannibalism accompanied the French revolution
@AbyssR292 there is a Rabbi deep diving into Moloch, Astarte and Baal, he tells you all about how he sees the ancient child eating Gods returning
@@papercut7141RUclips video?
@@arwenstrong2818 it came to me in a dream
Actually I just remember reading about cases sporadically I have no idea where to point you. I was thinking about a king's mummified heart getting eaten but turns out that was one that was exhumed and rescued from french revolutionaries who were desecrating royal graveyards... then got eaten by a random scientist a few decades later. But I know there were random other reports of mob cannibalism. They had a habit of dismembering people and occasionally a limb or two would get grabbed and taken away to be eaten
@@papercut7141 "eat the rich" you see this often today
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear you say the word "neofeudalism". I thought I was alone in thinking that we are in that age now. Its been on my mind for a couple years now.
Ownership generally is either destroyed, under attack, or being surrendered for safety. Ownership is rapidly becoming something for elites only. I would argue that in finance, housing, and politics, we've been under a feudal system for years now. The hold out individuals just haven't been completely routed yet.
Once ownership is destroyed for most people, while a very few set of others flaunt their ownership to all. Then proceed to impoverish the have nots. There is no other way out except violent rebellion.
We're there now. Us younger people just haven't picked up the gun yet. But I am very positive that its soon.
Unlike in the past, when violent revolution could upend the feudal system, this time we have world-spanning mind-control in the form of algorithmic social media. A new technological power that can be used to nudge/divert the world populace into compliance. The covid years were a painful demonstration of how this works.
My family preaches give up your house! Give up your house! You can’t take care of it. But as a renter, instead of having your own house, you are a fuedal serf
conspiracy theorist = someone better at pattern recognition than others
Not exactly. They may see the patterns but they are fitting them into a physicalist viewpoint.
They're look, but they don't see.
@@nektulosnewbieare you saying that elite child sex trafficking only exists as some sort of metaphor? If so, you're just wrong.
Never heard of Jimmy saville or Jeffery Epstein? Never watched Orthodox aplogist Jay Dyer's videos on esoteric Hollywood?
This stuff is 100% literally, physically real.
@@naikhanomtom7552 there is that and then there is the exotic, elaborate framework which is built around such things that is the hallmark of conspiracy theories.
Conspiracies do happen, but they are mundane matters, the banality of evil, like for instance a group of people coming together to carve up an entire continent without the knowledge of the people there that wasn't some sensational thing a group of "them" were up do in dark rooms, it was the Berlin Conference and it triggered the Scramble for Africa.
That's what is interesting about conspiracy theories, they are very infused by mystery and yet are descended from the reductionist tradition of Protestantism that saw the emergence of Witch hunting that was treated not as a completely religious issue but a judicial and even medical one. Witches were a disease that needed to be cured in order to restore health a society made ill by their activity. They needed to be found, prosecuted and dealt with, rather than treated as the dissident, ignorant Christians that had gone astray as witches had been and were in the Middle Ages.
@@nektulosnewbieYou should watch Jay Dyer’s geopolitical commentaries.
@@nektulosnewbieWhat? Lol.
Love Mary’s coinage game “neo-feudal meme-plex we call the internet”, “Disney will rape Snow White”, “normophobia” just a few of the gems from this discussion
Absolutely agreed!
Something important that people forget about myths, conspiracies, and symbolism is that they are all still important because they all still deal with and convey truth. The first time I was able to articulate this was watching when the levees broke, when it was already an old documentary. I felt like the urban legends weren’t fact-based necessarily, but it told me an important and sad truth that people chose that as the story to tell about something that happened. A more important truth, even, than actual mere facts could. Once you understand that, you can see why jonathan is such a genius.
@salliemaygo6336 I meant the documentary about it. There’s a whole introductory part that delves into another flood that’s notorious among the black community, and it shaped how they felt about how Katrina was managed. To me, the fact that people even thought some of those stories might be true conveyed a whole world of hurt, and that was the more important thing than trying to track down forensic evidence to either dismiss or support the claims made in the stories. Sometimes you just have to listen and hear what people are really talking about. I was young at the time, so the concept of listen instead of argue was a revelation 😋
Absolutely fantastic! 👏👏What a great convergence of ideas from different perspectives. I love the amount of "aha"s from Jonathan receiving insights from Mary. I am so used to it going the other way. But it just speaks to Jonathan's genuine openness and humilty, despite his undisputed brilliance. Can't wait for more!! ❤
What an awesome interview! Mary Harrington is a firecracker! Love it!
Something that really excited me during the conversation came at the very and of the discussion was when Jonathan was talking about how different young people conceptualize the idea of the self and their own identity. There's so much focus on identity these days but Jonathan said it himself it's inundated with fluidity. People these days, the kids growing up, have no concept of "who i am" it is only "who i am right now" and when people change who they are right now they abandon what they were before...like their old names they call them deadnames. they are meaningless. so who you are is no longer the sum of your life, your choices, your experiences as you grow from a child to and adult. Instead they make a declarative statement "i identify as..." and suddenly they are a new person, and they expect to be treated as this new being apriori of all the things they were before. I don't know how someone can build an identity when they view the world that way.
It’s a corruption of the rebirthing required to be a sane stable human being. They kill the past instead of integrating it into the new rebirth and therefore it is a very hollow identity.
An identity where one integrates the shadow, the mistakes, the horrors experienced and then is reborn again is a soul that is deep and has a true identity.
There was a notable Benjamin Boyce interview of a d-trns (trying to avoid the censors) and she said that she didn’t regret what she has gone through. It angered a lot of viewers in the comments because they wanted to hear her demonize the process but what they don’t realize is that she had integrated that experience into who she is today. Without going through that experience, she wouldn’t be who she is and MANY ppl rejected that concept because they themselves have never learned to rebirth.
It’s not just the kids that refuse to integrate their shadows. I reckon much of why society is so messed up is because ppl refuse to be self-aware. They ignore trauma in their lives and never integrate it into who they are and just live life with a suppressed demon spazzing out of them when things get really difficult.
The movement we see is a physical culmination of what society has been doing for multitudes of generations. Just ignoring trauma and using the medical field to try and forget our ills.
I really hope Jonathan digs into this idea of a return to feudalism. The correlations between the direction our current socioeconomic state and the medieval feudal state are endless. Something lit up in my mind when she mentioned return to feudalism.
I fully agree with you. I thought I was alone when I would think about neofeudalism. Been thinking about it for years now. So glad I'm not alone. Because for all intents and purposes, we've been there for years.
Most people just haven't realized how much of our freedom is nothing more than illusion. The illusion of choice.
If that is the case, I hope we also return to chivalry, castles, and cool clothing.
@@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev "renaissance festivals" will have to change their names to just plain "festivals"
@@biffkline8771 😆
@@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev i wholeheartedly agree
Thank you Mary and Jonathan, brilliant and beautiful discussion.
I listen meditatively to your conversation with John Vereaka's 3r's, 4p's, 4e's and it is s beautiful.
Thank you......all of you..
Great conversation. Would love to see a longer discussion next time.
Two of my favorites together at last.
Jeeeesus… Pageau and Harrington together, I had been waiting for this for the past two years
Wonderful, two of my favourite people 🙏
Keep in mind that “symbolism happens”, meaning these symbols, myths and so forth (culturally salient conspiracy theories) are not just empty stories, they actually manifest into the world in tangible form because they represent truths of how reality is structured.
59:00 "the bad guy", proud, and resistant to all boundaries. "Don't draw his attention." The outrageously insightful, even darkly funny, pinnacle of an already great conversation.
Great topic Jonathan. A full conversation between yourself and Neil Oliver expanding on how conspiracies overlap with man's natural patterns through time would be something to behold and a real turning point in these kinds of fruitful onversations. God bless.
Would love to hear him and Neil Oliver. That would be phenomenal.
Neil Oliver says so many ignorant anti-Christian things (eg “the catholic church” chained the gospels to the altar so no one could read them) I find him pretty well unlistenable :(
@@annalynn9325 I won't disagree with you on that point. He definitely talks like a Scottish Protestant when discussing the reformation. But that's even more why this would be interesting. Pageau is Orthodox and thinks the reformation was a bad thing for Christianity. Different perspectives make for more interesting discussions.
The bards of old knew how to record events. The detail didnt matter, because what they were recording was the movement of life through time and history.
The Gaelic Bardic schools training was in rhyme and rythmn. There is an urgency to the rythmic as it carrys you along with it.
The story comes later because you get rid of the devil, by telling the story.
And that rhyme and rhythm help you memorize it, which helps you more deeply internalize it.
No fear-there’s a new Bard in town!
Such a great and insightful conversation! Though I'm more scared of the short term future now than I was before listening to it.
I feel ya. It's an unfortunate consequence of getting your eyes opened to some of the things, the powers of this world are up to.
I suppose, though, that it is still preferable to be aware of that, then it is to be blind and ignorant. Or else the changes that are put into place will come as a surprise, when in reality, much is planned.
shes just always so good. immediately commands respect.
I love the way she thinks. It’s always a pleasure to listen to her ideas.
Old spell check was based off proximity to the keyboard location word check, new auto correct is horrible in comparison. Chat gpt is formaldehyde soaked bits of peoples brains blended in a jar that we shoot electricity through and callen it life cause it’s twitching
This was such a good conversation, I hope we get a part two not so far in the future!
I wonder if there are book recommendations about specifically the topics talked about here? That is, 'post-modernity' and its war against normality. Perhaps something about 'neo-feudalism' (dunno if you came up with this term in this convo yourself, or if it has been coined by someone else already, but I find it incredibly fitting). Any good book recommendations for self-schooling and autodidactic learning would be hugely appreciated.
Until you've read the Podesta emails, you shouldn't say there's no baby eating going on. There's really not much else the codewords in those emails could have been describing.
This. To think it's all metaphor is absolutely wide of the mark. Epstein Island wasn't a fucking metaphor, it was a pace where real politicians and elites abused real children.
yes. anyone ever heard of the CIA op 'finders'. this attempt at containment is not going to work.
@@localuser190 I think Jonathan should talk to Jay dyer or David Patrick Harry about this stuff. He probably means well but they are massively over intellectualising this stuff. It's real in an absolutely objective literal sense, not symbolically or metaphorically.
@@naikhanomtom7552 i hope that he means well but when i look at who he is associating with via this ARC thing I am not convinced that revealing the true face of things is going to be on the agenda.
@@localuser190The ARC is massively concerning. Looks like a weird Neo-ecumenist religion.
So looking forward to this.
5:56 bullshit! If you think thats not true then your kidding yourself. Its real my mother was almost sacrificed when she was young. It traumatized her she literally crys about it all the time. You can think im crazy but i believe the fear in my mother's eyes. If you think its not real research the occult more. Crowley straight up gives exact directions on how to do the rituals in the book of the law. High level Thelemaites are really doing this. People at the bohemian grove are doing it which is down the street from my house. Ive met people who have been to the sacrifices. Sorry to break your bubbles but evil is real and its NOT A FAERY TAIL
Ye this was shocking considering the latest expose. I wonder what the motive is here. Is it cope? Like its too shocking for these who are oh so smarter than we lowly peasants? And wtf is a crypto Marxist?
Let's just say. People have no idea what happens in the dark web.
Exactly. I can't believe that they think this stuff is metaphor.
I don’t think they’re that naive to believe it isn’t real. It is interesting that many of these stories have already existed in folklore for a very long time.
Witches and vampires for instance. Look at the story of Hansel and Gretel. The witch is one that lures children to her candy home to eat them.
One would have to be naive to think this is the only time this has happened in human history. The problem is ppl believe modernity was the end all be all of all that stuff but it was just a mask to hide it all in the background. We were safer when we believed it to be real.
The darkness is so dark we say its just a trick of the eye...
I loke vision of the Wasosky brothers in Neo meeting the Architect. It's profound. Came to my mind when you guys adressed 'normativity'
I enjoyed the talk. Thank you.
Mary Harrington and Jonathan Pageau?! What a treat ❤
Even if the nation-state is 'toast'; the people within still loyal to that original nation will still exist and the 'seed' may live on.
Mary Harrington?? Well this is an unexpected surprise. I love her work!
go and look up paul marshall and then you will never be surprised again who jonathan has started speaking to and promoting
Great conversation, hope shell be back
Apparently M(r)s.Harrington hasn't heard of The Sound Of Freedom yet 😅
Yea I cant tell if this is just an attempt to piggy back on that controversy or this topic is a coincidence. I would hope its the latter.
@@oldman_eleven I have good faith in Pageau having the best of intentions. I am assuming Harrington just might not be quite as redpilled because of her time in academia despite how on point she is about a great many things.
@@cymbolic_space1832 I would hope so.
Exactly. Anyone that's dived into this stuff knows how truly real and evil it actually is. She's delusional.
what is this “ark” group Jonathan is referring to? 29:00
Jordan Peterson’s new religion.
Essentially having an AI monarch would be so close to the book of Revelation it's unreal. Goodness.
I am completely convinced that the AI ultra "god" which humanity is desperately trying to create IS the antichrist. If you think about it it makes sense and aligns perfectly with scripture. What else could possibly be the antichrist if not humanities tip of creation of ultimate pride? The antichrist couldn't be human after all.
This is what I think the end of Game of Thrones was really about-- Bran being made king, because he was "wise" but cold and no humanity left in him. Tell me he doesn't embody AI
49:40 this is the crux and very powerful. We can't pretend we are anything else than human. Ideologies that go against human nature are doomed for failure.
What a fitting conclusion to a conversation about subtlety. Good work.
6:41 she forgot to mention that these aborted fetuses are then used for stem cell research/therapy as well
Awesome! Please do a second round!
Wow thank you for bringing up Katy fausts work! Them Before Us is an amazing organization!!
This lady rocks, thanks for having her on. This was a fantastic conversation.
She does. In an ever so slightly intimidatingly direct way. As an Englishman who's had a lot of German friends, she has a very German persona. Anyway.. I digress, but a curious character. Perhaps a lizard, that's probably it.
There were a lot of contradictions in this. Someone claiming to believe in intellectual property rights and the family declaring themselves a Marxist in the same conversation. The outright denial of established facts surrounding SRA and its victims. I'm not really sure what the point of this was, Jonathan. You discussed what are very real, concrete things as if they were theories, fantasies or mere ideas. And i think you both know it. The conversation over intellectualized to the point of stupidity and showed a lack of self awareness in both of you.
My thoughts exactly. I love the content Jonathan puts out but this one was so wide of the mark it's ridiculous.
They were talking about 100% real physical events and trying to explain them away as myth and comparing them to fairy tale. I think they (or at least Mary) can't comprehend that maybe the world doesn't work like their academic mind was led to believe.
If anyone thinks elite child abuse or Joe Biden being senile are conspiracy theories then they are literally just ignoring reality at this point.
When you can read the medical research papers online, and even listen ro explanations and discussions of that reasearch, it begins to expose the degree to which your doctor's ability to actually treat YOU and not to react as prescribed by a higher authority is becoming painfully obvious.
This is where thought trammelled by dogmatic paradigms appears very similar to AI in its lack of specificity and insight into the individual as a person.
Pleased that Jonathan is a long term optimist but I wonder when you consider that before Christianity the pagan world was perhaps not much different to where we are now then is it right to assume we will somehow revert to what the was only normative in a Christian world.
We can never go back from being Christian. Christ is king. His Church are His hands and feet living out the kingdom now. We are looking at a very small slice of history... and He will resolve it in the end.
Fascinating notion that normativity has become the enemy. The insult of "normie" comes to mind, as well as concept of "the new normal" during the pandemic. I guess you could swap the words around only a little to conclude that the Enemy has become normatized. That highlights on a new level what an incredibly terrible state the world is in, and why it is so difficult to get people to stop it. The Fall has reached a state of freefall.
Immediately after this, I got recommended a video of Father Spyridon titled "WHEN WE FALL, HOW DO WE GET BACK UP?", so I'll put what he said here.
1. First, self-condemnation is required.
2. Then, we confess. Finding forgiveness, through the grace of the sacrament.
3. Then, we are to repent: to renounce our evil and not return to it.
4. Then. we pray, by which we enter union with God.
I do not know whether these steps can be performed by humanity as a whole, or only a portion, but I suppose that's what would need to happen throughout humanity in some shape or form, in order to stop its fall.
As usual I suppose I'll start with myself. I hope that helps...
The great British conservative thinker and philosopher Roger Scruton often remarked that conservatism is very hard to articulate, which is why conservatives suck at explaining it.
I think conservatives/reactionaries should be poets, play writers and musicians. That's the only way of conveying eternal truths.
Hi, Mary! (*waves*) I am reading your book.
I have just one question for you, and this really bothers me:
How in the world can you say you are in favor of normality, human nature, and the needs of children, and then in the next breath casually add, "I'm a Marxist"???
The Marxism I am familiar with is antithetical to the household, consisting of father, mother, and children, as the basic unit of society. It is against people having their own homes, farms, or vehicles, or even raising their own children. Abolishing private property is also profoundly against human nature.
Perhaps we are thinking of a couple of other fellows?
You are exactly correct. It's rediculious.
Maybe the words you were looking for (for moments when "conspiracies" turned out to be true but still kept being seen as conspiracies) are "being under a spell".😅
How different would the world be if a reasonable payment system had been implemented at the start of the internet such that each webpage browsed cost 1 cent to view? Suddenly there is an incentive for consumers to be discerning and salaciousness would not have such a stranglehold on the internet.
Let's gooooo
Sounds much like real sense, in some real sense, signal > noise; always. 👍🏽
Thanks
To be honest I may become a patron simply because you said "neofeudalism". We are there. And if you dont believe it look at the consolidation of the housing market as your entry example.
Richies building wealth farms out of a necessity for life to the point where entire generations are being priced out of house ownership.
What those greedy monsters dont understand, is that once you make ownership too expensive for the next generation because you dont know when to stop. You've now removed a mechanism which forced people to care about their country. Ownership meant skin in the game for your nation. But now, in their ever growing quest of greed, they will make living too expensive for the average joe.
Once thats done, then most people will have nothing to loose. Thats when heads start rolling. Maybe thats whats needed. The tree of freedom has been in a drought for a while.
We are building a Hydra to slay.
I'm not looking forward to a Terror, TBH. The purge never stops with the 1%. It takes on a life of its own. And it gives all the power to the angriest and most violent people.
@@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev- only with the French. The Americans did it differently. Hopefully, the English model succeeds and we don’t have another Terror. It’s why having faith in God is so critical to everything that is happening.
@@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev what's needed has never usually been happy. But simply needed.
@@umiluv Yeah, the American Revolution wasn't a violent uprising of oppressed lower classes like what OP is calling for. It was educated, upper-class British colonists demanding the rights they should have had under British Common Law. Also, they were fighting a power that had to come from overseas, not doing a purge of the wealthy people in their own community. They didn't intend the American Revolution to be a populist uprising, but a restoration of the kind of rule of law that had developed over millennia in Britain. That's why our "revolution" was the only one in history that didn't devolve into a Terror and then result in either a strongman worse than the previous dictator, or decades of civil war between competing strongmen. Because it wasn't really a "revolution" in the usual sense.
Carl Yung visited the US several times and he said that in ENgland the culture is described by "gentleman" and France "honor" and the US culture is "greatness" due to Indian native influence. And this is what Trump magnifies and recalls in his policy.
A lot of this is a cope for not being able to handle that there are people who are as advanced in comparison to the average person as we are to cows. This is like the cows trying to understand human culture. People are ruled by very advanced nearly eternal entities and those entities are attached to various groups and bloodlines just like Christ is attached to the Orthodox Church.
I loved your previous intro with all my heart ❤️ 😢
Nationalism may be dead but mostly only in the "West". We have to remember that the west is not the entire globe. Ultimately what the elites think, etc doesn't mean anything unless they can get the citizenry to agree and go along. The current geopolitical situation makes me think that nationalism will not be the four letter word it is considered now for too much longer. Oh and nationalism does not need to equal 1930-40's political/idealogical group. It's the pendulum trope... we've swung so far to one side of the pendulum against nationalism that it's only a matter of time before it comes back. The trick will be to ensure that it doesn't swing too far and we end up with those 30-40's type folks.
Writing is being replaced by speech...
Audio comment sections coming soon?
We're halfway there. I can speak into my phone to write this comment, and I'm sure there's a way for my computer to read it back to me.
Rhetoric is the art of a good speech
Isn't this also the return of the logos🤷♂️
Excellent talk and insights, thank you both. You mentioned Paul Kingston. I looked him up but only found info about a convicted cult leader. I suppose you were talking about someone else. Can you please refer me to his work, it sounds interesting, thank you.
one of the best
So good
It's so funny to hear she saying the left can't meme. I'm pretty sure I've heard dr Paterson saying the right can't meme
Is it really a conspiracy theory that Joe Biden is senile??? 😂
Exactly 😂 they brushed many facts off as conspiracy theories here but that one was the most ridiculous
This gave me hope! Thank you
Please help out a non-native with understanding which has been said at 22:17 „discourse again I mean people talk about
which is just a you know that's a that's just a modern kind of West Coast“ I think she was not refering to agriculture, or was she ? : D As long as the Auto-Script is not working properly, there might be hope for the non cyborgs . Thank you
Sorry, I tried to set the unclear qoute to Bold… and it got cut out. Something along the lines of „ agriculture“… agro Ghuls ?
@@Zomiadoku egregore - occult terminology for a spiritual being that is created by people
St Augustine is the master of self disclosure.
Convenient that she is against the war on normality when it comes to things she dislikes, but she was not against normality when it was women not being educated etc.
Stopped listening at "Q-Anon adjacent"
I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion.
I’m a burgeoning poet and found the talk of AI helpful to consider more intently.
"We'll see if Palpatine shows his face"
I am happy to be the 777th like on the video... I'll take it as a good sign! 😊
13:50
Mary Harrington: "Most of the stuff that I write in that sense is emminently forgettable."
Agreed. Likewise with most of what she said in this interview. She sounds like she might have been a former writer for The Atlantic or New York Times who, several years ago, suddenly found a drastically shrinking audience for her pablum and so changed her name and is now trying to resuscitate her career by making sense of conspiracy theory for other people who still think the world must make sense through their credentials.
This. It's actually ridiculous. She doesn't have a single clue what she's talking about but she's an academic and has a posh accent so obviously us idiots can't comprehend the symbolic patterns behind the 'conspiracy theory' of Joe Biden being senile.
Is she actually being serious?
Will the machine select gruesome Newsome for POTUS next year? That is the question.
I need a patronage prince. Also, there is nothing wrong with gurus
that intro animation………… 🙌
I'm a wandering poet who's nation state is dead.... looking for patronage !
Alex Jones comment is on the mark.
He drives me nuts (calling High German an ethnic term and not a linguistic one), but cutting through his BS his distilled point can be true.
I ran into that hearing him on Rogan declaring that "the elites have made a pact with interdimensional space vampires to feed children to them in exchange for the elite being given immortality!!!".
The language is crazy and hilarious, but then you see what many people express and you start to the pattern in it that rings true even if the guys wrong.
IMO, I still feel he does more harm than good.
The alarm bell is loud and piercing, but the harm is ignoring it because you find it annoying...
@@benjaminlquinlan8702 misrepresenting threat is the problem. It produces a chicken little response in people in reaction to sensationalz overblown claims.
mary, i remember your teletubbies article. i think i will remember it forever!
The "AI Counselor" actually doesn't sound that horrifying. I'd hope there's some sort of human oversight obviously, but these sorts of diagnostic tasks are well suited to "AI". If it's a matter of, the "AI" screens you and hands you off to a human if required, that could be a reasonable method of adding efficiency to the existing system.
"AI artist", "AI leader", "objective AI", these are all fantasies that will only be in existence so long as enough delusional people support them (which unfortunately appears to be the case). But explicit pattern recognition is something these programs (there is no intelligence there, call them what they are) can do better than humans.
This discussion swims in pure cognitive dissonance… just leave your diapers, take a walk outside your fantasy…and smell the coffe… REALLY WILL CATCH YOU TO…SOON
Mary especially is absolutely deluded. You can tell she's a typical university educated, brainwashed liberal type who sees her self as being far more clued up than she actually is.
She thinks she is so smart taking about myth and fairy tale, not realising that the so called myths she's talking about (except for the really ridiculous ones) are 100% real.
She called Trump 'orange man' and said Biden being senile is a conspiracy theory. Says all you need to know about her.
Pepe Escobar refers to Biden as "crash test dummy" - not a intelligent robot, just blow up doll heading towards a wall at 100 miles an hour
@HMUonNicegramatJohnathanPageau for me? sure send on
Average democracy enjoyer
Humans are trained by humans too, like ai. Don't dismiss the threat or ability so easily.
this planet earth created in Truth, not in lie's
In many ways, the conspiracy theorist represents the opposite philosophy that Jordan Peterson espouses. Now, I am speaking here of those who seek conspiracies, and not those who conclude one based on evidence and reasoning. From what I have observed, it is my view that many people engage in conspiracy-like thinking as a way to escape responsibility. Now, I am certain there are many "conspiracies" which are factual and "true", but I speak of those people who begin their analysis with the conclusion that there is a conspiracy at work and not those who analyze a subject logically, then conclude afterward of a conspiracy.
For example, I have seen that hours after a shooting has taken place, there will occasionally be people who claim that it was a hoax or staged. What I really think is happening is that when people say, "this was all planned." "It was no accident." "It was their goal all along." "This is exactly what they wanted." What they are doing is separating themselves entirely from the event, and putting the blame entirely on a scapegoat, some secret overlord and mastermind who is behind the curtain. This is done in order to give super-human or even supernatural reasons for why terrible things happen. Lets take that lizard people example. If some powerful alien masterminds are the ones really controlling the government, as opposed to something more mundane, like our politicians are corrupt and incompetent, than it becomes much easier to absolve one's self from the responsibility of enacting any change. For the simple reason that you can't be expected to do much about a government of lizards, but if they are just humans making mistakes, then the inevitable question comes up, why aren't you doing anything to help?
Jordan Peterson has spoken extensively about responsibility, and I still think to a certain degree, many people have not fully embraced his ideas on this subject. Its hard enough to take responsibility for your life, but to take responsibility for your whole neighborhood, your city, or even your whole nation? Such responsibility can crush one into dust, so it is no wonder why people, in my opinion would seek to absolve themselves of such responsibility by placing the blame on various problems on people who are supremely powerful, intelligent and well-connected. Because it couldn't possibly be your fault, could it? But it is your fault. You want to know the real reason the pandemic happened the way it did, because you let it happen! Why were kids forced to wear masks and get vaccines? Not some conspiracy, but because you were too weak and cowardly to stand up and say something! The reason why Joe Biden got elected? Because you allowed it to happen with your incompetence and ineptitude. The reason the economy is falling apart and crime is rising? You guessed it, your fault again. Maybe if you weren't such a lazy drunk who can't even hold down a job, then maybe the world wouldn't be falling apart around you. But no, its not your fault is it? Its obvious that the international bankers are to blame, the WEF, the U.N. the lizardmen, anyone but you! How about you take some responsibility for once in your miserable life?!
There is one quote I think that best exemplifies the opposite attitude of the conspiracy theorist and it is this, "All the detriments in this world stem from a lack of individual ability." Maybe, its not always true, but it's something to think about. Be very wary of conspiracy theories that blames everything on faceless people. No labyrinth is inescapable. If there is a problem in front of you, my advice is to use your head and actually try to tackle it, failing that, speak truthfully about it.
Encore!
I think you underestimate the expanse of the quaint dystopia we've built for ourselves. GAI therapy may not be ideal, but stateside we cant afford it and north of the border you cant staff enough trained professionals to support your population.
The only realistic alternative would be outsourced labor. Either as virtual therapy or migrant professionals. God forbid addressing underlying social and economic issues.
A.I. therapy is satanic and should be rejected in every circumstance.
No, there ain't no letter 'g' on the werd falutin, unless you're being haaah falutin, that is...
Also there b'aint no 'p' in excerpt lahk thyr ain't no 'p' in receipt.
No 'k' in knee. No reason for the insertion of sturff jurst to soound right clever neither.
Harrington ftw btw
Edit: If not exactly 'ftw' then a great interlocutor.
It’s so funny the conspiracy theorists are totally open to being wrong …. The other side thinks they are always right …… just look at what they did and all they got wrong ….. just be open minded … it’s not hard … the people who claim everyone else is always wrong seem to have a lot of forgiveness for their own kids who are getting a lot wrong ……. They want us to have understanding for them ….. and we do ….. it is them who need to “do the work” lol 🤣🤣🤣
“…the poetics of the unspoken…”
Thanks to Pageau and Harrington I've been able to make this...ruclips.net/p/PL7Z7ZWGcJVqahAT6zLUJSOZ9D1mPty2bc
Hail a tale of fairy Mary hairyngton. If her name were different would her interests?
I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace (AI counselors).
No interest in The Orange Man myself.
Google 'dancing israelis'
Peterson was a good gateway drug into self improvement until the religion stuff came along and now he shoehorns it into literally every conversation and it's awkward and unnecessary for the guest and wastes a ton of time. He's now pretty insufferable and has grown too big for his Joker suit britches. (They are very interesting suits. The designer is very creative and uses wonderful fabrics😂.) I appreciate him for the time in my life when I found him, I really needed someone to show me how to debate with myself in a healthier manner than I had before. If I were to discover him now, I don't know that I would be that interested in him. Which is sad, because I use a lot of tools I learned from him. My life is infinitely better than it was and continues to improve. I see lots of other individuals popping up and making sense though o not all is lost. And there are far better speakers on religious topics anyway that don't confuse the shit out of you 2 minutes in, serving the biggest tossed salad of words with lots of side track croutons on top! 😂😂😂 I learned that from him too evidently. 😅Damn. 😮😅