Bungie's NEW Marathon
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Events since my Marathon video requires a follow-up video.
I look at The Act Man's "Arena" FPS video released concurrently with mine. I then discuss Bungie's revival of Marathon, comparing Bungie of 1996 to today.
Not to worry, I am also working on a new Macintosh video. This is just a slight detour.
Credits
'Marathon' by Sophia Fracassi (great Canadian talent) • Sophia Fracassi - Mara...
'Arena shooters are dead…and Act Man killled them' (@BrotherNier20) • Arena Shooters Are Dea...
Inside Mac Games (August 1996)
Marathon’s Story Page marathon.bungi...
Bungie
I bought every MacBook ever. (Mr.whosetheboss)
The Rise & Fall of Arena Shooters (The Act Man)
That Actman character seems like one of the many youtubers who rewrite computer history.
He's really a disingenuous goon sadly.
Also shills really bad games like new world, and then deletes videos after a couple of months to save face....
among everything else personally i just find him irritating
Time to unsubscribe from his RUclips channel then...
that mrwhosetheboss guy tho...
Started playing Marathon with Aleph One ports after watching the old Bungie vidoc while looking for more Halo 3 content.
Loved them (even though I was frustrated with some parts), but I never really carefully read them.
Then I played Myth 1/2 and ONI later, and definitely love those games.
Years later, MandaloreGaming releases a synopsis of the trilogy and that’s where I started to become more appreciative of old Bungie outside of Halo.
The old Bungie has this really Mystical feel to all of their games: the soundtrack for Myth 1 and 2 are great and ONI, looking past the americanime aesthetic, has a pretty interesting story.
I just don’t feel this mysticism in Destiny 1 or 2 as if they suddenly lost their shine.
I am cautious for the new Marathon, but really,
Why can’t they just make a single player experience with multiplayer as a bonus feature.
Thanks for sharing your impression of Marathon in more modern times and the other Bungie games! Enjoyed reading that.
Reason they lost their shine is because most, if not all of the devs that made Bungie special left after the release of Halo Reach.
Shame really. Now both Halo and Bungie are shadows of their former selves.
I've been meaning to leave a comment about this on the Patreon and now seems like an appropriate time. I don't know about anyone else but I am super curious about your modern day computing work horses. We get glimpses with things like your Mac Mini setup and how you say that you use a 2008 Mac Pro, but a full breakdown of machines you use and what you use them for on a regular basis would be very interesting. Doesn't even have to be a video.
Other than that this was another fantastic video as always. Keep it up!
Glad you enjoyed the video. I'm not opposed to showing my set-up, I just think it will be like opening Al Copone's Vault as far as entertainment value.
I am posting a video to Patreon shortly about creating a prop and I'll do more as I go through the process of making the next video.
Your Marathon knowledge is impeccable. Now, create a 10min video on how to replace a fan in a PowerMac G4 Graphite. And I see that the plastic tabs are broken on the door of your PowerMac G4? There is a fix for that.
I was literally watching rerun 65scribe videos last night and I began to wonder when a new one would come out. The wait is over! 🎉🎉🎉
I timed that perfectly then!
immediately thought about you when i saw the trailer. didn't think you would talk about it for it wouldn't fit the channel theme being too new but glad you did! loved to see your thoughts on it.
I've been pushing my luck with doing stuff outside of vintage Mac hardware, but nice to hear viewers wanted to hear my opinion.
@65scribe is the Marathon-man
What a shame this isn’t going to be the first big dollar game to properly implement apple silicon and metal. Sure it would cost more but what a story arc!
Keep in mind that Sony bought Bungie, so Macs are clearly no longer their priority. But since they are still allowed to make third party games, I hope Bungie does eventually make Mac games again one day especially with Apples new gaming tools.
I was eagerly awaiting hearing your take on the matter as soon as I read it was happening! :D
I feel guilty having left a disagreeing comment when I like your videos so much; so just want to also say I loved the rest of this video! And also I can relate to your G4 cleaning situation as I’ve been working on my Quicksilver this week. After cleaning, mine finally got an SSD, which I’m loving.
Don't worry about disagreeing. Always enjoying hearing others opinions and appreciate any corrections. Impressed you got an SSD in your G4 - nice!
It's okay. I'm not really passionate about Apple products anymore, but I used to bleed in six colors. Anyone with this affliction should be well aware that it's only natural to take a slightly defensive posture :) It all comes down to what one's definition of "high-end" gaming is.
@@KGB240 True, Mini isn’t “high end” at all. But I was very impressed with playing No Man’s Sky on my M1 Max. When compared to my gaming PC (RX 6900 XT with 5800X3D) the M1 is not a joke. It feels about half the speed; but that’s not bad for a mobile device drawing a fraction of the watts. Of course that’s just one very optimized game. I’m just excited about the potential. Especially if you compare a Mini to say a Steam Deck or a more average gamers system that doesn’t cost $2K+.
Every old (oooooooold) mac that I’ve got up and running has an SSD or SCSI2SD-type storage. Huge performance boost without changing the fundamental experience.
@@JimmyDoresHairDye Awesome! Yeah it’s such an improvement over spinning rust. Just for fun I spun up my 40MB Macintosh II hard drive for my teenage daughter to hear recently. Haha her eyes just about popped out of her head. Granted the poor thing sounds like an air-raid siren when it spins up. But it still works! I only spin it up on special occasions though and use a PiSCSI usually on the Mac II.
No oil museum throw back footage 😢😢😢
Sorry. Maybe next video.
I've never been to the US. But if I ever go, I'm keen to check out that museum now, if it's still around. haha. I also need to obtain a molar Mac G3 and spend a few days of my holiday packing it in a way that it will survive being dragged back to Australia. We never got them there. I appreciate it's combination of Jony Ive minimalist / Homer Simpson car design aesthetic. My family may have different priorities for a US trip though...
Although close to the US border, the museum is in Canada. It is still running but only a handful of days each year.
I like your take on the G3 AIO (Jony Ive meets Homer Simpson). I hope you manage something to get the AIO back to Australia. I was able to get one last summer for a potential new video. It is quite a bizarre piece of Mac history.
@@65scribe My apologies for assuming it's in the US :)
@darwiniandude lol. No worries.
Mad props to you for putting out so many thorough vids of consistently high quality. It’s such an undertaking.
I love how everyone forgets that originally the PowerPC chip was a 3 way... initially Commodore wanted in as well (I still remember AmigaPower getting hyped over the Amiga's getting a decent chip finally).
I wish that instead of giving us an extraction shooter Bungie would’ve just remade the Marathon trilogy akin to the System Shock remake. That would’ve been awesome. Unfortunately, we didn’t get that. I know Aleph One is a thing, but most people play on consoles and a remake that stays mostly faithful while fixing various issues with the original would be able to introduce new people to the series. Sadly, modern Bungie has completely lost its way and the new extraction shooter most likely won’t be able to capture the magic of the original. I unfortunately haven’t played the games, but I watched MandaloreGaming’s videos on them. All I can say about the INSANE story is wow! Too bad the level design was pretty bad. That seems to have dragged down some otherwise AMAZING games.
From what I hear the newer Macs are powerful enough to run most AAA games. The reason why we don’t really see Mac gaming is because Apple doesn’t really support third party software that allows various games to run, the player base is basically nonexistent, and developers don’t invest in Macs because the market is so small. Hopefully this changes, but I’m not going to hold my breath for that. There’s rumors about them buying EA, but that isn’t very likely. It would definitely be interesting if that happened.
This next part is copy and pasted from a comment I said on another video, but my point still stands so I’ll use it: I really like how you threw shade on Act Man’s dumpster fire video. I honestly really hope he keeps making atrociously bad videos like that where he’ll get a lot of backlash so we can see him cope and sneed on Twitter. I will admit that I mostly play on consoles and don’t know much about the genre since it’s not really my thing. But even I someone with a mostly surface level knowledge of the genre and its history was able to tell that he got almost everything wrong. It really calls into question the accuracy of his other videos seeing how bad that one was. We now know that his masculine dude bro persona is just something he puts on for the camera and he’s an insecure manchild who cannot take criticism🤣. I remember I used to really like and respect the man and when the QuantumTV disaster happened I was firmly on his side but thought that he kept going about things in the absolute worst way possible (making a “joke” about doxxing RUclips employees. Sperging out at anyone who even slightly disagreed with his regarded methods and accusing them of being a Quantum shill/pro Quantum, even though those same people were pretty brutal in their condemnation of Quantum. And stuff like going after Quantum for ToS violations despite the face that he and his squad have broken the rules on occasion). Then I did a little bit of research and realized that he and his squad (den of snakes) were collectively just as cancerous as Quantum. If you take the long list of things he’s done, Act Man and his crew have each done a few of those. Honestly, the first major red flag was the fact that Ant Man chose ReviewTechUSA as his right hand man when they were going after Quantum. Rich has a long history of flip flopping, ragging on DSP and Wings for ebegging despite the fact he’s just as bad if not worse than both, he’s a false flagger, he doxxed his trolls/critics, he’ll clickbait whatever thing gets him the most views and just keeps milking it (remember the fabled Switch Pro), is pro censorship and cries if what he wants to have happen to other people is applied to him, and some other things I can’t remember off the top of my head (a lot of these are the same exact things they criticized Quantum for). Just look up ReviewTechUSA Exposed or Junk Media reuploads and you’ll see what I mean. It really shows you the kind of character and level of intelligence Act Man has that he was willing to work with a man we have YEARS of evidence against purely to spite somebody else. Act Manchild and Quantum deserve each other and to become lolcows for what they’ve done. It’s amazing just how big of a hypocrite with massive double standards Ant Man is. Wow!
Great video. I will be sure to check out your other stuff.
Your comment might be longer than my script, but a good read! I always thought The Examined Life of Gaming's review of Marathon four years ago was the end-all-be-all of Marathon reviews. No one else had to do one after that, including me. Quick tip! - If a Marathon reviewer calls it a Doom-clone, that basically discredits it, and I'd move on. For the record, I didn't mind the level design in Marathon, though Infinity maps were not as memorable or replayable to me (my map is an exception, of course!).
Interesting to read some background on Act Man in your comment. I enjoyed Act Man for awhile, but really notice his popularity has changed him for the worse.
I hope you get a chance to check out my other videos!
Amazing that Marathon 1+2 got a steam release.
The trailer is noting but amazing in terms of art direction and even some worldbuilding bits. It's absolutely mesmerizingly cool and stylish, and that's something you can't take away from Bungie.
Unfortunately, that's where "the good" part ends. This is gonna be another boring multiplayer-oriented shooter with upgrades, unlocks, premium skins and seasonal battlepasses (with at least 3 tiers of premium-ness).
Oof, I agree completely about the intro and i'm sad to say you're probably right about the rest of it too.
I'm inclined to agree with your pessimistic outlook on the multiplayer shooter nature of this (those games are very hard to make actually "good" and Hunt Showdown and maybe one or two others are the only ones I've truly enjoyed). However I am cautiously hopeful that at least the base experience will be worth checking out.
@@wishiwascooler yeah i will still check marathon out to see if its worth my time and effort
I'm excited and cautiously optimistic. I liked Warzone DMZ (the call of duty extraction shooter), although I spent far more time in the regular respawn based multiplayer game modes. I've also spent a lot of time in Destiny, mostly solo or with one other friend in my fireteam, and as much as people complain about that game (and I have my own complaints, for sure), Bungie has done a lot of good things with it. We'll see. I'll give Marathon a shot. If anybody can get me into the extraction shooter genre, it's Bungie.
yeah i think too many people are judging marathon a bit too harshly butt many people are still excited and cautious about this game. it will likely succeed but. i do hope it succeeds because it will bring more eyes and devs to the extraction shooter genre which is still pretty young and untapped in potential . bungie just needs to find the right balance between the hardcore feeling of extraction shooters. while making it fun and simple for everyone@@Gracana
As usual, another brilliant video. More please.
I just realized how the vision pro looks like the security officers visor…
Great observation! I don’t know why I didn’t make that connection.
@@65scribe lol yeah, it was like a typical “wait a minute…” marathon moment when I realized it.
Yay I contributed to the spike of views on the marathon vid
Oh, that was you? :)
Love your videos. 😊
Still playing Marathon 2: Durandal😭
Oh happy day! New 65scribe video. Great video. Didn't even realize there was a Marathon remake in the works. I'll have to go check it out. Thanks for this video to bring it on my radar!
Glad you enjoyed it! There isn't much to the game yet aside from a trailer and the ARG (alternate reality game) where obsessed fans dig-up more background to the game. I think they gave themselves to 2025 to produce a product. Not like the old days.
I used to play marathon in grad school on a Quadra 700; like 1995. Excellent video, btw.
A Quadra 700 would be a decent system to play it on. Glad you liked that video!
@@65scribe for the F-of it I looked those machines up on ebay; not really much to choose from for under 500USD, then I looked up the Quadras in wiki, and they went for the equivalent of 12kUSD in todays dollars. Were they that expensive?
Thanks for the upload! :)
To quote Alex Seropian, "Hey, no problem ... Want a Powerbar?" :)
cool video and like the bungie studio video. it's honestly inspiring to see the president of the company be so casual. he wants to make games not a fortune
Yes, it’s great to go behind the scenes of a game developer who is making games that would become legendary, just to witness their operation.
The problem(s) with Marathon, at least from my perspective of growing up at the time, are two-fold:
(a) for most youths, the Macintosh was the computer that the schools used, where the most intensive gaming allowed to be installed was maybe Word Munchers or Oregon trail. Even in the 2000's, it was basically the workstation where Photoshop was installed because everyone and their dog knew that Adobe preferred the MacOS by a country mile; and
(b) _If_ you play through any given Halo on the legendary difficulty, you got a bonus cutscene after the credits. Well, at the end of 3, the cutscene for it implied that the chief was going into a deep sleep for some grand hunt. I did enough reading to put two and two together and... *Halo was basically the glossy prequel trilogy to Marathon!* And for some reason, that just turned me off to the series wholesale.
I was already upset with Bungie proclaiming they _invented_ twin stick shooting controls for FPS on consoles, when Alien Resurrection by Argonaut software did the same schema about three full years before the first Halo even came out. But because Halo was the de-facto franchise for frat bros before Call of Duty multiplayer, everyone took Bungie's word as gospel and completely ignored evidence to the contrary. That and some... _stubbornness to player feedback_ in the community more or less had me check out of even giving Marathon a chance at all. Last, but not least, I've never had a Mac of any kind. So I never had a way of playing the game to even care. Ironic then, that modern Apple would arbitrarily block Steam as of Catalina. Not sure if it's been fixed since, but the uproar combined with the blithe dismissal from Apple? How can I _not_ think it was done deliberately?
interesting video, never seen this Bungie footage before. Wonder what those 90s VR headsets were? Jason Jones suggesting we will all be wearing AR glasses but play FPS on a virtual flat screen does not make any sense though. He seems pretty ignorant of or anti-VR based on that comment which is wild when combined with enthusiasm for AR.
There was a very degraded version of the Bungie video on the Marathon Story Page, so I found the original on the Internet Archive of Inside Mac Games discs. The video is much longer than what I showed and I did a bit of editing so their jokes played as intended. They were definitely goofing around and making fun of those headsets through the video, so I'm not sure the story on those.
Cool to see new development within the Marathon universe, at least it hasn’t been left to time. At the same time though, even with all this new tech and software available now, you just can’t beat the old stuff. I still use older Macs and iPods daily, not to mention that software was way different as well. Not everything was better, but at least they don’t look identical like everything today. Great video, had no idea Marathon was coming back!
glad I stopped watching act man years ago
Same it was his review on Death Stranding that made me stop watching it.
I still like his takes. So he made a couple, or more, videos with poor research. I still appreciate his opinions. To each their own.
He can be entertaining when he’s attacking ‘social justice’ extremists and sharing his experiences with a game series he loved but went downhill. But that’s the opposite skill set needed for doing documentary.
@@65scribeThat made me wanna walk away, he just can't be a game reviewer without violently foaming mid-video about some mild take having woman on the Internet, or Anita.
yay another vid from my favorite youtubers
Man WTH. YT didn’t even notify me that you uploaded a new video.
I love these videos! As soon as I get my 7100 fixed it’ll be the first game I play.
That's a great way to test your 7100! :)
@@65scribe For the few minutes that it worked I was able to find out that it’s got something like 40mb of ram!
Its scary how many gamers don't understand the history of games and how they are made. It would be one thing if Marathon was some obscure game but its not and neither are the devs. I'm disapointed that the new Marathon is multiplayer only would love if they have a single player mode like the originals and Halo. Especially given Destiny being meh storywise and nickel and diming the consumer despite the good gameplay. Don't get me started on Halo 3 mainline games each one getting worst and longer to put out modes that Halo 4 had at launch.
Agree. Tau Ceti is a great setting for a single player adventure to continue the story. Seems like it could potentially be wasted.
Thanks! :)
@@65scribe Never played a Marathon game but it seems like a classic trilogy.
Im glad Im not the only one whos excited about this. I could not believe it.
welcome back! its been a minute.. PS ... Good Lord wth hell happened to jason jones.. Man Bun?! smh
Good to hear from you again, too!
Finally
3:23 People compared any first person to doom back then... But yeah calling marathon just a doom clone is ridiculous.
Marathon to me always felt rough around the edges in terms of both movement and feel, but it had interesting innovations aside from that. The story is absolutely the best part of the original trilogy and the gameplay is not quite doom good but it is well above average if the baseline is Wolfenstein.
Apple’s fault for “not making an affordable machine that can handle high end gaming”. I disagree. An M2 Mac Mini for $600 has a 10 core GPU that is likely capable of running a PVP extraction shooter like the new Marathon. And with Apple’s newly released DX12 testing tools; it’s never been easier to port DX12 Windows games to Metal on Mac. Pretty much any Apple Silicon Mac is an above average gaming machine if the developers take the time to support Metal (assuming average PC gaming machine is running something like a 1060 looking at Steam charts).
Yeah, it really does seem like Apple has paved a road straight to making Macs back into viable modern gaming machines, and there are some pretty recent titles like Resident Evil VIII purchasable on the app store for M1 and M2 machines. Whether or not anyone will target the new platform is anyone's guess.
The problem isn’t the hardware…it’s the developers and publishers. There simply isn’t enough Mac gamers to give most of them a reason to make proper metal ports. However, I feel like in some due time more gamers will see Mac laptops as a good portable gaming solution because of the outstanding battery life they have that gaming laptops simply lack.
Very interesting. I'm so used to hearing about PC gamers putting $1500 graphics cards in their machines, I figured it put Apple out of the running. Thanks for sharing your perspective on modern Mac gaming capability. I was a bit skeptical of Apple's claims. I still stand by my statement "We will see..." regarding Marathon. (Really putting myself out there, I know).
I mean yeah it could but Apple gives game devs zero reasons to port their games and zero reasons to encourage people to play games on Macs.
Reasons for developers like:
The removal of 32-bit Intel app support showing Apple is ok with breaking compatibility with their games
The deprecation of OpenGL (showing Apple isn't willing to use an industry standard graphics API in macOS)
The refusal to adopt vulkan (again showing Apple isn't willing to use an industry standard and also showing that Apple doesn't care about tools like proton helping the Mac as a gaming platform)
The fact metal is closer to a mobile graphics API like OpenGL ES than it is Vulkan or DirectX
you can put this effort into a port for many other systems that is gonna make way more money (Macs are not a market share leader, more over out of the people who own Macs few play games on them a PlayStation, Xbox, Switch, PC hell even iOS port have the potential to make way more money)
These all work against developers wanting to port their games to the Mac. why on earth would you want to hire developers to work on porting your games renderer to Metal and optimizing your game to work on the mac because there is no other alternative (besides moltenvk but that has it's own issues with the sometimes major differences between Vulkan and Metal look up the Ryujinx blog post talking about this) because Apple refuses to add Vulkan or at least modern OpenGL just for Apple to maybe break compatibility with it in just 5-10 years and not be able to sell it to new Mac owners at all.
People don't want to game on their Macs for other reasons like:
Apple's included input devices are terrible for games (try gaming on a trackpad or magic mouse and the magic keyboard is unacceptable in a desktop especially for games)
Apple killing support for older games like 32-bit ones (bought Halo for Mac? guess you're out of luck unless you have a later PPC Mac or Intel Mac that can run High Sierra because even though it works on Mojave it's too bugged to be playable)
Games like Resident Evil Village are exclusive to the Mac App Store (Going back into my previous point games on steam include all versions of the game for desktop that are on steam. I own half life 2 on steam and have access to all versions of the game no matter what. So even though the Mac App Store version is no longer supported I can run the Windows version in a VM or in CrossOver. If/when Apple breaks RE:Village from working on the Mac there's no recourse besides keeping a secondary OS install or having a completely separate Mac to play that version.)
This has created a feedback loop of "triple a games on the mac are a waste of money for everyone involved" that Apple hasn't really broken in anyway with Apple Silicon. Sure the computers are great I have the exact Mac mini you mentioned and I love it. For the $500 dollars I spent on it (thanks to having my student ID with me when I bought) it's an amazing little machine. and it plays the games I want it to mostly. some of my favorites don't work namely doom eternal and some PC ports don't work under Parallels or CrossOver because neither Rosetta 2 or Windows on ARM support AVX instructions nor does any FOSS solution on Linux work either (at least one that I'm aware of, Asahi's FEX doesn't anyways)
tldr: Apple has the pieces and a way to make the mac decent for games they just need to put them together instead of being stubborn about it.
@@themacintoshnerdGreat points! Apple has certainly made a lot of questionable decisions in the gaming space. I am hopeful Metal 3 is beginning to correct some of what you describe. I was really impressed to be able to open Steam and install my existing license of No Man’s Sky on my M1 Mac and then play it at max settings. That example shows what is possible, but it is certainly not a common situation.
What camera do you use? Or editing software? It looks dated and cool.
I'm gld you like it! The camera is a state-of-the-art (in 2003) Sony VX2100. I admit the DV tapes are hard to find lately, but I scored some from one of those stores beside the check-in desk at a Hotel ... somewhat dusty.. Final Cut Pro 7 is the editing software.
@@65scribePerhaps you could get direct capture out of it into a PC so that you can record without needing to find tapes. This is what I use anyway for my VHS camcorders.
Thanks for the suggestion. It’s been such a long time since I’ve done that, I had forgotten about it!
replaced the same fan in my G4 Quicksilver DP 1.0ghz for the same reason a little bit ago. What can I say other then there is a lot of people on the internet running off at the mouth with no idea what they are talking about!!
I am very jealous of your dual 1ghz. Mine is just the 733 single base model. But it has an internal Zip (which really saved me some time when restoring my Macintosh II recently).
You had your fan fall apart, too? Luckily, I have enough parts machines I could just swap it out.
I didn't know that Bungie invented tic tac toe, very cool!
I'm kidding, please don't kill me :D
lol. In the full video, Doug says they found out the name is taken, so they re-titled it "Stalemate"
Arena shooters are not dead
Also I still Play Team fortress classic and half-life 1 and quake 3
Really cool! But it is a bit disappointing that the new Marathon won't be on Mac...id think the Apple silicon Macs could probably run it if they optimized the code well! At least the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra/M2 should, maybe not the base M1.
Have to say this naming scheme is getting confusing though. Reminds me of the mid 90s Power Mac line almost!
Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks very much!
That’s a great point about the naming scheme of the latest Macs. 😀
We can always hope they’ll make it to run on those machines.
Any day that 65scribe posts a new video is a good day.
Couldn't agree more
Exactly. I’ve never played Marathon, but it’s a chance for an entertaining video anyway. I was half expecting a cooking lesson. Instead, there’s some priceless footage of how things were in the 90s. I don’t know what a PVP Extraction Shooter is. “The only way to win is not to play” - yes! That works for me. The overall effect of the video is still calming, reassuring. I love it.
DAMN!@ please make a new video!
Hope to see some videos in this new god forsaken year :) You're in my top 3 YT channels
Top 3?! Thanks very much! I have been working on a longer video that I look forward to releasing soon, and getting as impatient to see it finished as I’m sure you are. :) I have an unreleased finished video that I might put out to fill the void, though.
Yes, definitely! Every video that I've seen is top shelf entertainment for me and your unique style is fun. Keep up the good work :)
I'll keep looking forward to future videos impatiently, yes! @@65scribe
Unaware of the invasion?
The other 9 Mjolnir Mark IVs fought off the ground invasion and the whole colony got glassed from orbit.
Time for some heavy retcons I guess...
(then again, can you imagine them remaining slaves to the original Marathon lore? A fool's errand at best...)
It will be easy to retcon, since Marathon Infinity was a huge retcon, deleting the events of Marathon 2 and throwing the events of Marathon into question due to alternate timelines. Regardless, you’re right about the 9 cyborgs. I was just pointing out that, according to the background information for the new game, the earth and mars government are so far away from Tau Ceti, they have no idea the invasion happened and they are investigating. Likewise, we don’t really know if the colony got totally destroyed by the pfhor or not. It is a fascinating premise, but will new Bungie ruin the opportunity?
@@65scribe My bad, I thought you meant the Tau Ceti colony was unaware of the invasion. I must have misheard.
In any case I think it's inevitable that they mess with the lore - Halo threw off the shackles of old lore for a reason, I think the same holds true here.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Marathon lore and I even managed to shoehorn some Gherrit White into my high school exams, but ultimately I think the only way forward is to write new lore and retcon as necessary.
My real problem with the new Marathon is that they've taken a studio that's famous for narrative-driven single player campaigns and an IP that's famous for being The Most Narrative-Driven Single Player Campaign Of All and they're making... a competitive multiplayer extraction shooter.
They're taking the storied gem that is Marathon and they're trying to sell it to Tarkov players.
What an absolute waste...
@@NewExile I agree with all that. They seem to have found an excellent set-up to build a new story and modern sequel to Marathon, but decide to use a game type that does not lend itself to story telling. It’s like the lore in Unreal Tournament or Fortnite. Completely forced and ridiculous. But I like that Gheritt White ended up in your high school exam submission.
@@65scribe See I actually thought the lore in UT worked pretty well, at least the Liandri stuff. I’ve mostly forgotten the Nekris and war stuff, but the way most of the arenas wind up being abandoned corporate endeavours added some interesting context.
But all that aside, yes, it seems the whole structure of a Tarkov-style extraction shooter puts taking the time to show any interest in the lore firmly in last place.
I have a g4 in the box if you ever want one and do you want to make a server video on my macs I have 3 work group servers.
I am so extraordinarily disappointed with the new game not having a single player campaign and being whatever the hell an "extraction shooter" is. I don't play games where my enjoyment is dependant on the actions or inactions of other people, so that means pretty much anything multiplayer. What's the point of using an existing IP if you're just going to ignore everything that made the original IP a success? Who are you trying to attract doing that?
I literally have no idea what an extraction shooter is either.
@@RyDawg96 As far as I can tell it's a scavenger hunt with guns. You're trying to get a thing, other people are trying to get a thing, they could be the same thing, I'm not sure, they'll kill you to stop you getting your thing so you probably want to kill them back to stop them getting theirs. It sounds simultaneously mindnumbingly boring and extraordinarily frustrating.
I agree. I would rather play against the game and not other users. Marathon 1 set them up beautifully to do something great on Tau Ceti. I'm not convinced this is it.
@@65scribeespecially when we're on an era where immersive sims, or just good linear campaigns in fps are almost extint. a marathon remake could be a new bioshock or something.
this announcement was just incredibly dissapointing.
They should redo the originals like the did with System Shock, those are some of the best games ever made! The new one will be crap and full of micro-transactions I think
The M1 macs are absolutely capable of high end gaming. What Apple haven't done is allow a competent and industry-standard API like Vulkan within sniffing distance of their OS. Deprecating OpenGL support on Mac OS was the final kick in the guts to gaming on the mac, but guys, guys, they're super serious about gaming for realisies this time, they promise!
You are saying this is good technology ruined by poor management? That's a new one for Apple. lol. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Only if they're guaranteed their 30% they're "serious about gaming".
I unsubscribed from Act Man, it only took me about a week of watching his video before I realized how clueless he was.
as with destiny, im not sure this new bungie game is for me.... but i'll probably try it at least once...
I'm keeping an open mind, and will definitely at least give it a shot.
Yes, me too. It's a very provocative setting. The idea of exploring the ghost colony from the original game Marathon, piecing together what happened when the Aliens returned. There's quite a bit to work with narratively (if they choose to).
Nu-Marathon looks like it was made by and made for the soyboy youtuber mentioned in your video. Apropos of that, your videos are approximately 1000x more interesting that that guy. Maybe you're a fan of his, but yeeech. Remember, the art of being a youtuber is to create engagement and making subtle, but egregious errors is a fantastic way to fill a video with "engagement" in the form of comments, likes and dislikes. I simply ignore "youtubers". Still not excited for Nu-Marathon and kindof annoyed because of the name tbqh. They could have chosen a different name, instead of "REMEMEBER THIS GAME FROM WHEN YOUR WERE A KID?!"
Thanks very much! Glad you like the videos. As for "youtubers", that's even more disturbing if it's not just a case of being misinformed, but distributing disinformation for the purpose of personal gain. I've said everything I wanted to say about that, and I'll join you in ignoring them now.
This new game has nothing to do with the original: the people making it weren’t even BORN when it came out!
Hey! Stop making me feel so old! 😂
@thebestwes777 He’s still with Bungie?!
@thebestwes777 wow
As an owner of several vr sets, ar isn’t going to be a thing
Yeah but at least his videos have some energy and entertainment value
8 months? I wander how many more will past from this comment too.
I like to shit on the act man as much as the next guy, but 4 minutes into the video and all I hear is "act man this, act man that".
I clicked on the video for Marathon, not for Marathoff.
Yeah, Act Man is fun sometimes but, eh, totally gets it wrong lots of the time.😊
Yes, he does well with controversy and funny off-the-cuff commentary, but insists on being an expert on gaming history, where he falls flat.
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you can skip to 4:53 if you dont want to listen to him complain about act man... again....
Thanks for providing guidance to those who don't want to hear my rant.
@@65scribe thanks for just pluggin along and doing your thing after all these years, you give a very niche audience exactly what we never knew we wanted
I'm perfectly happy starting every 65scribe video at 0:00, but you do you :) The debunking is one of my favorite aspects of this channel, be it of various websites, youtube videos, or any other factual inaccuracies that seem to get copy pasted without much thought. All of these "small" details are indications of really caring about the material, which I can relate to.
@@Atraira Nicely said. I’m fortunate to have this niche audience watching the videos that I like making so much.
Anyone who managed to watch more than 47 seconds of The Act Man’s cringe memberberries content without blowing their brains out has my respect.