"So we're fine, so long as nobody teleports Mars." "Question." "What's your question, guardsman?" "I teleported Mars." "What?" "You told me to." "How much?" "I have done nothing but teleport Mars for three days."
well if terra gets f@cked from a warp tear and failure of the golden throne and leaves teh void dragon, would the void dragon able to stop or minimize its spread of tear as it is a necron?
Ninjabread Man just imagine, Mars tears itself apart, huge chunks land on Terra, chaos (lowercase) ensues. In the aftermath, the survivors are relieved to see that it wasn’t an extinction-level event, only to see an ancient star-god extricate itself from the rubble... And there is no Emperor to stop him this time
The void dragon was my first thought as well. For me thier are two possibilities the first being mars actually teleports and the void dragon somehow stays due to the mystery of his own power, or two he teleports with mars and somehow the binding that imprisons him is slackened due to the stop of time in teleportation.
I think you missed a pretty major consequences of the teleportation of Mars; orbital mechanics. If you remove the mass of Mars from the solar system it would affect the orbits of Earth and the asteroid belt. Jupiter would fling asteroids all over the place, endangering every celestial body in the system, and attract a whole bunch of them putting Titan in the crosshairs of a couple of thousands of asteroids. If they fail and blow up Mars this problem might even get worse, since I'm pretty sure Mars out-masses the asteroid belt, orbits wouldn't get as affected, but it would be like setting of a planet-sized Claymore-mine in the solar system (like you said) I need to fire up Space Engine and delete Mars, and blow it up.... for science 🤯
@@TS-jm7jm I couldn't figure it out unfortunately (I never use Space Engine or Universe Sandbox), I asked Scott Manley on Twitter tho, but I think he's asleep right now 💤
I think you may be overstating the effect on the asteroid belt somewhat. Mars and Jupiter do not share a resonant orbit so it is quite rare for both bodies to affect the belt in the same places, if your premise is to be taken seriously then why are similar effects not observed when Jupiter and Mars on opposing sites of the sun?
I was also curious about this, i dont think the effects can be understated i assume their would be a huge amount of destruction due to teleporting a planet and destabilizing the orbits of every other heavenly body in the solar system
As interesting as the notion of all this political turmoil is, it feels like we glossed over the consequences of a successful teleportation on the phyiscal universe; where the hell WOULD they teleport an entire world to without causing some kind of massive gravitational fuckfest? If they drop Mars in orbit around just about any star, it's going to cause disruptions for local space immediately, drawing in /tossing around any local asteroids and other small forms of debris and even risking planetary collision should they drop it too close to the orbit of an existing planet in that system. DDITIONAlly, depending on its placement, the planet could either cook or freeze depending on if they balls up the placement of Mars within this new star' Goldilocks Zone, resulting in a horrific death for every last thing on the planet's surface. This is doubly true for if they were to teleport it to some location outside of the life-giving warmth of a star and just drop their tin-plated asses in interstellar space away from a star; flash freeze. Additional note: How well do these teleporters handle the transportation of the planet's atmosphere? I doubt the orks care terribly much as they can potentially bullshit their way through such concerns with a strong enoufgh belief that there's plenty of air, but that would not work for humanity.
Mars is highly industrialised so as long as they have nuclear fuel to power their civilisation Mars wont freez, and not being close to the heat of a sun might be a boon for mars.
This might be a odd question/Suggestion for a video: have you ever done a vid on the Origins of your Character? I was listening to The Text to Speech Podcast and realized that in the audio was when the Emperor pretty much made you a Inquisitor on top of being a Tech Priest. I just thought it would be interesting to hear the lore around your 40K Persona.
In a way there is such - Search his playlist for "The Quest For Knowledge" While not like his normal theories it is still a look into that persona in the form of a story.
Theoretically, there shouldn't really be much consequences in that regard. According to what I've read, even the disappearance of Jupiter wouldn't have much effect on planetary orbits.
I think the real question is, did the Emperor swap the real Holy Terra to another system and replaced it with a fake after the unification wars without anyone noticing?
Impossible as the Chaos Gods would have stopped him if he tried Malcador's feat of hiding Titan in the Warp worked because he doesn't have the Dark Gods' attention on him
That series (The War of the Beast) had a lot of good characters and story lines that I'd love to see you explore if you get the chance. Always love watching your videos
Without the vast manpower of the Imperium, the Mechanicus would quickly find they just killed off their only real means of securing their existence in a galaxy literally going to Hell. The best they can hope for is constantly skipping about the galaxy, maybe even trying to get to another galaxy, which has been said to be pointless as the Orks and Tryanids are EVERYWHERE at least in the local Galaxy Group, our neighborhood of galaxies, roughly 10Mly across, bound by gravity, and should be largely unaffected by the expansion of the universe at least until "the age of Iron Stars", trillions of years from now. The Mechanicus would become cosmic hobos within a few millennia and likely wiped out by Orks, Tyranids, something else, or both if they teleported Mars and decided this is what they shall do from now on. However, if the Mechanicus realized this was possible, if not a likely outcome, then they would actually share the technology with the IoM and the Imperium would suddenly be wildly more capable of defending their worlds. No longer requiring the Warp for transportation and possibly even communication, a steady rate of improvement in the standard of living in the IoM would be noticeable over the course of mere centuries. Such is the case when goods and services can be shipped and received quickly and reliably. Because voyages would take less time, and likely have the luxury of ever better safety systems and technology, crew fatalities from, for example, simply refueling their ships, would decline enormously. Not traveling through the Warp puts valuable space between Humanity and Chaos at least slowing the bleed through to Material space. With this improvement in the standard of living, calls for making systems more self-reliant where and when possible will come up. Since IoM ships can easily drop in quickly at the first sign of dissent, they see no reason not to let most systems become self-reliant such that they can survive having major trade routes and agri-worlds forge worlds etc being cut over or destroyed. The IoM would also be able to respond to threats, bring reinforcements and relief much more quickly and reliably, with far greater coordination. As the IoM becomes more secure they are less aggressively Xenophobic and more willing to treat with some races such as the Eldar. Although due to some diplomatic and political faux pas, the Tau get left out in the cold. One wonders how the Eldar managed not to shot themselves in the foot this time. However IoM Xenophobia will take centuries even millennia to fully dial back to merely being cautious of the Xenos. The Adeptus Astartes and Primaris would face a culling of their most needlessly dangerous chapters as the IoM does not have to "throw up hands" at not being able to look over their shoulders and make sure they are not being a bunch of mass-murderers in apocalyptic battle armor because no one is around to tell them to stop killing everything because "today is kill everything pink day". While some of the somewhat vicious chapters are retained, mostly the more straight-laced, "actually good, good guy" chapters go unaffected by this culling. But being able to enforce discipline and uniformity in the ranks from chapter to chapter, while being able to reliably monitor and direct them, becomes radically easier. The Martians almost made a stupid as hell mistake. The sheer benefits of sharing the technology would far outweigh taking and keeping it only for themselves. Also, what happened to Venus? Is it still a hell planet or was something fruitful done to the planet. One would think that before or during the "Dark Age of Technology": Venus would be terraformed and be almost a second Earth.
Very good points. However, you are assuming teleportation is a safer way of traveling. Is it really? A lot can go wrong. The energy requirements for moving entire ships would be truly gigantic and become a hazard themselves. In regards to Venus, terraforming wouldn't be enough, considering how close the planet is to the sun. Venus would require something like a planet-sized semi-transparent sun shield to reduce radiation and heat. Jupiter and Saturn have really high gravity. I don't think I've ever read anything about other planets in the solar system being inhabited besides some of their moons.
Nah mate, terraforming venus withouth changing its orbit is fine. Actually, this topic has been debated by scientists and sci fi enthusiasts to the ground already. Cant post links since I am phone posting but go read it up on google. Theres even an article on wiki about it.
This is actually what the emperor was trying to achieve with the golden throne, to open a stable portal into the web way on humanity’s home planet. Removing the need to enter the immaterium at all. Hence his banning of phykers and religion.
@@youtubevoice1050 This is WH40K, we don't even concern ourselves with the accuracy of power figures never mind where the power comes from. But really, I don't think the IOM or Admech would build anything smaller than a Dwarf Planet with teleportation capabilities. The Power source might be that huge. Ships would have to dock on, in, or very close to the teleporting ship. I'm going to assume that the kinds of thought gone into terraforming Venus just was not done when this mythos was first written. but building essentially a massive sun shade in geosync orbit between Venus and the Sun would allow the planet to cool down. The process would take a few centuries 300-400 years on the outside, allowing the surface to eventually be cool enough even cold enough to allow humans to surface make planet fall there. Meanwhile a considerable orbit infrastructure would be built over Venus. If any effort were made to install Earth life on a now habitable Venus, I could see the planet seeing very few surface residents. The Emperor would have made Venus his vacation planet.
@@hithere5553 The Emperor banned Psykers because of Magnus the Red's wreck his webway project. It is distressingly that simple. Otherwise, the peopel who evenutall made up the Imperium on their own were culling psykers because they were seen as evil for, usually very accidentally and innocently summoning Chaos. He banned Religion because he believed it lead to violence and degradation of humanity. Ironically it was religion that one keeps him alive, and two keeps Humanity from being eaten alive by the galaxy at large. Even if the Emperor were to die and be reborn in the warp or is a perpetual and is allowed to die so he can recover (Highlander problem), religion may be the only way to keep humanity safe and sane in the face of Chaos. The biggest issue is then how to ween humanity off the violence kick often attributed to Religion. Because the Emperors's Secularity was not accomplished without copious amounts of violence initiated and escalated by teh Emperor and his secular agenda. Ultimately, Humans will just fight and kill each other because of Tribalism, and religion simply allowed for the creation of yet another tribe to kill in the name of and Secularity was just another tribe.
Regarding near heretical tech, in Dark Imperium: Plague Wars, anti-warp torpedoes are apparently a thing. According to one of the primaris in the book, they just stuff the body of a necron pariah in a torpedo.
I’d imagine the battle of Acadia would’ve gone very differently if the planet, blackstone fortress, or even a portion of the chaos fleet, was teleported away.
Now there’s a thought! The 14th Black Crusade repelled not by faith or fire, but by an annoying mass-teleportation array! “Hey, the enemy ships are reaching the edge of Eye-space. Should we teleport them back in?” “Nah, let’s wait a couple hours, get their hopes up before we crush them. 😏”
Or if the IoM had the ability to teleport reinforcements directly into the system. Whole fleets could be brought in to defend cadia. There wouldn't even be a ground battle. Just imagine how many imperial ships could be moved there to stop anything.
If Mars broke apart the Void Dragon would be released as well I think. That would be bad. If Mars teleported it could have released the Void Dragon being as we don't know exactly how the imprisonment works.
The Black Legion would attempt another Black Crusade in order to destroy all the Pylons scattered across many worlds resulting in the Great Rift in the M33! (Chaos Victory) Beast Orks would have taken Holy Terra and killed the God Emperor (Also, Chaos Victory) With the God-Emperor dead, there is nobody stopping the Void Dragon from initiating ANOTHER Age of Strife!
This video got me thinking, what if the emperor went to the mechanicus first or didn't come at all. And lets say the mechanicus already had navigators and astorpaths and such. How big and powerful could the mechanicus have gotten if they were allowed to expand and spread to forge a empire? With or without the emperor. I think it would be a good video or a good series at least.
all ork "technology" is simply an extension of their waaagh field. whatever it is, it simply does what the orks believe it will do, and nothing they believe it will not do. and reverse engineering of this "technology" is essentially impossible, as it is rarely ever actually constructed in a form that would actually be capable of functioning as intended, or at all, without the presence of an ork with his waagh field to believe that it will work. if the mechanicus was able to reverse engineer this tech, then either they have the ability to somehow generate a waagh field, or the technology is not proper orky.
@@catnium they could build a device to mimic the end result, theoretically. but they would be starting from scratch in terms of the base framework. essentially it would be like watching a sorcerer conjure warp fire from his hands. then trying to build a machine to do the same thing. technological innovation is not exactly the mechanicus' strong point. in fact, its outright heretical. so the odds of them doing so, and on such a massive scale and as a unified whole, are essentially null. but they do accept studying xeno tech to understand how it works, its just that cant really happen with proper orky tech. and thus we get back to my original point
From what I gather, ork tech is shabby because of incomplete or damage knowledge encoded inches are genes. So their tech not working right is a byproduct of this and not the intended result of their creators. This would mean that if a wall got big enough they could possibly produce fully-functioning tech that's only strengthened by their field of influence.
My theory is that as orks get close to a complete waaagh saturation they enter a phase of rapid physical and mental evolution so that their technology becomes truly functional but impossible to reverse engineer due to unrivaled complexity. At that phase the wagh field stops being used to make technology work and instead becomes an infinite feedback loop of unstoppable evolution that feeds back into itself. I believe that this is the true threat of the orks: unrivaled and unlimited evolution.
@@fl00fydragon The Necrons defeated the Orks in their Prime along with the Eldar, Jokaero, Old Ones plus two more Alien Species! Beast Orks only happened ONCE after the War in Heaven
This video reminds me to finish The Beast Arises series. I remember how in I am Slaughter the arrival of an Ork attack moon plays absolute gravitational havoc on the world that the Imperial Fists are fighting on.
1:26 - He's not dead until he's found dead. | 3:04 - It would be tech heresy and besides, it needs WAAAGH! energy to work. | It would mean that there would be two new dwarf planets...what next? What if Konrad Curze (e.g. fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman) was found by the Emperor as he dug himself out from the self-made hole?
It would be interesting if they used the technology to create a forge system where every planet gets exchanged with a forge world, the could also use the technology to bring astroids moons and even planets full of rescourses there so they dont have to ship eveyting there
In my mind, if the Mechanicus were able to refine this Orkish teleportation technologey to function for them, then said technologey should be implemented onto Imperium ships. If Imperium ship were able to conduct FTL travel without having to use The Warp then not only would space travel be much safer, but they would no longer have to depend on the Astra Nomicon which would ease the burden on the Empeor Of Mankind. However this plan would need intelligent thinking on the Imperium's part, something they tend to sorely lack.
I'm curious as to whether or not the teleporters would even work on such a large scale without the presence of orkoids. We've seen numerous examples of ork technology simply not functioning and often destroying itself in fantastical fashion when not being used by an ork. With the teleportation of Phobos, if I have my timing correctly, this happened during the War of the Beast, and could be explained as occurring during the single greatest WAGH in known human history. Side note: Phobos being teleported, potentially through the Warp, would be one hell of a way to push the DOOM universe into 40k.
I think what's probably more interesting is the possibility that Mars would use teleportation regularly. Weather they remained allies with Terra or not, someone in the 40k universe having reliable FTL travel would be a major game-changer. Whatever faction ended up with that, be it the Mechanicus alone, or the Mechanicus combined with Terra would suddenly become far more powerful, due to their mobility.
Techmarine: So we're fine. As long as nobody teleports any moons Fabricator General: Question Techmarine: What's your question, Fabricator General? Fabricator General: I teleported Phobos Techmarine: You what? Fabricator General: You told me to. Techmarine: [ _Threateningly_ ] How...much...? Fabricator General: I have done nothing but teleport Phobos for 3 days. Inquisitor: WHERE?!? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN SENDING IT?!?
My question is, how is it possible to back engineer Ork technology at all, considering the link between Ork Tech and the Waaagh-Field? We've always been under the impression that Orky tech was really just random bits of scrap, hammered together and it was the reality warping effects of the Waaagh that actually made it work. Does this mean that the only reason the Mechanicus were able to teleport Phobos and advance their experiments as far as they did, is because the Orks believed that they would? Maybe even counted on it? If the Beast was showing a level of strategic sophistication that went so far beyond that of any other Warboss in history, could this even have been another grand strategy, to split the Imperium and Mechanicus from one another?
im under the impression that waaaagh isnt magic but replaces the tedium of experiment and trial and error that humans deal with. an ork cant pick up a piec of metal and turn it into a lazer rifle, they just uncannily can take a bunch of scraps and turn that into technology. the teleporters are probably 80/90% useable, understandable tech by humans and the rest waaaaagh fuckery
@@b33lze6u6 Yeah, but when teleporting entire planets around, that 10/20% that they DON'T understand is kinda important... And that implies the Mechanicus actually understand ANYTHING about technology, rather than just copying existing machines with no actual understanding of the principles upon which they function
@@weldonwin fair. One of the most frustrating yet entertaining things about 40k is how far you can stretch the "grey area" My standard example being a single astarte killing 10k xenos and also a single xenos killing an equivalent number of marines ( scaled down by %age maybe)
While the fleets of the Imperial Navy would be rendered obsolete for warp travel, their other functions would be completely uninhibited. While deploying an "attack moon" into a system sounds like a neat way to transport troops, even within a solar system space is massive. I have a feeling that such technology would not be used for the trivial purpose of just moving such a significant mass from one part of the system to the other, and so naval vessels would still be required for intrasystem travel. In addition, the vast size of such an object would wreck havoc on the orbital mechanics of a planet's moons if it had any, and so would be very likely to destroy any planet it would be sent to protect. It also makes for a relatively simple target for relativistic kinetic kill vehicles to destroy. A fleet of ships on the other hand are much smaller and more nimble targets, while also being able to respond to developments within a system quickly to deliver troops or firepower. Therefore I would say that the Navy would not be obsolete, merely more focused on combat. It would likely be able to do without warp engines or gellar fields, saving much tonnage for other systems.
I assumed the Admechs were always teleporting Mars to keep it relatively close to Terra in case of assault due to differences between the revolution around the Sun. Though, if Mars ever left the Sol system, things would not end well due to messing around with gravitational pull.
I know this is tangential to the video but does anyone know what happened to those old Hydra& Wyvern trailers GW had out on youtube a few years ago? The background song here had me thinking of them the entire time but for some reason, I can't find it
Why do the adeptus mechanicus and psykers not get along? It seems like all that logic would probably help understand and improve psyker abilities while the psyker magics could assist with risky research.
I dunno, I guess it's because they see psykers as replicating technology, all the lightning and pushing things around and all that, without using a machine.
Here is a Theory I have about the ork gods Gork & Mork: Gork & Mork where originally just a single ork warboss that fought & fought until he grew so large & powerful that nothing could offer a good fight for him, so he decided to teleport to somewhere in the universe that had a worthy fight & got stuck in the immaterium. There he found the chaos gods & their daemon armies which he fought endlessly growing larger & larger still until his personal WAAAGH!! energy became so powerful that it started bleeding back into the materium, affecting all the orks across the universe who started worshipping him as both Gork & Mork. This split his being into two halves which resulting in him becoming the ork gods Gork & Mork that we have now.
How did ancient humanity not discover this tech in the golden age? It would have made the birth of slanesh a simple post-it note for mankind. If the orks produced this tech via old one knowledge that would make sense, but aside from that I see no explanation.
I don't think the teleporting would end as catastrophic as they say. The Navy would still mostly use the warp. However special units would likely be made, as well as battle moons.
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this already, but what about the Void Dragon? I think it was confirmed to be locked away on Mars? I'm pretty sure the planet being split in half would release it, and even a successful teleport might wake it up because plot development.
The miss mass of Mars would radically destabilize the centers of mass in the Sol System and probably cause massive gravitational imbalances. That could have cracked Terra in half or cause Luna to crash into Terra too. Nothing like this happens in nature so there would be no way to know. But being 40K assume the worst possible for all involved. Like Luna slowing crashing into Terra (just not all it once, like the collision would take 10's of thousands of years even after Luna touch the surface, the Void Dragon walking up and massive Warp tears break out all around Mars as the Ruinous powers take advantage of Mars being away from the light of the Golden Throne.
Me: (Remembers remliez is from the adeptus mechanicus [i think]) “what are you planning remliez!?” “Teleporting your kind away from terra to a place where toasters are over abundant?!” “Wait till the rest of the chaos war band hears of this, it doesn’t matter where you move Mars! We will always find a way to watch you guys meddling with toasters!”
In addition to all those possibilities, another potential consequence I could see happening is strife within the Mechanicus itself once it becomes known that Mars got teleported using tech reverse-engineered from Ork tech. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the use of alien technology considered heresy to the Mechanicus? Plus there's also the matter of leaving the body of the Omnissiah behind on Terra which would undoubtedly anger portions of the Mechanicus; plus if Terra fell, the Emperor along with it, there'd be the small matter of another warp rift opening up where Terra used to be, plus who knows how that'd effect the Void Dragon's prison...
The planets are currently in stable orbits. If Mars simply disappeared, that equilibrium would be disrupted. This would most likely result in the planets migrating into new and more stable orbits to reestablish gravitational equilibrium. This could have some dire effects.
I imagine that wide scale xenotech use would probably be come a thing out of desperation since terra would lose mars during a battle and the resources and troops it had, assuming it didn't collapse.
instantaneous, warp independent FTL would make the Mechanicum the dominant faction in the galaxy. The logistical implications would be immeasurable. Trade and supply lines would be secure and almost instant. Entire trade planets could move about the Imperium at will, much less fleets. The navy would still be necessary to defend against other ships, but would be made stronger by not having to escort ground forces or protect shipping lanes. Those forces would be freed up to engage the enemies of mankind, and at instant speed. Even if the Mechanicum horded the technology, their own military would now become stronger than the Imperium's, simply by being able to redeploy and resupply their forces as quickly as they can move through the teleporters. Such technology could even be used offesnively, to teleport a planet or even a fleet into a star. It'd be a great way to deal with the Tyranids.
It would be Choas at first, but when the Nids attack they would be in smaller number's since the Big E wouldn't have to keep the Astra Nomica going which in Nids eyes make the Big E a psychic Beacon.
I wonder if Cawl has this tech in his brain so he could make it for the Imperium. I can only see pro's to this technology, and in a way this is better then the emperor's webway project, because it by passes the warp fully.
Aside from the political and astronomical effects, wide spread planetary teleportation could be a great defensive tactic. Imagine some defenseless argi-world about to be invaded by some horrible threat only for it to blip out of existence and be replaced by a fortress world that can easily overcome the threat. if you want to take it a step further, using teleportation for stellar manipulation and moving whole systems could consolidate the fractured M42 Imperium. Retreat to only one or two sectors without the lose of resources and shorten supply lines.
Chaos would have won Beast Orks kill False Emperor: -Astronomicon fails (Abaddon destroys all the Pylons and creates the Great Rift seven THOUSAND years earlier!) -Golden Throne fails, Daemons start pouring out of the Warp Rift inside the Imperial Palace!
I think it would depend on if the mechanicus told the other high lords/imperium what they were doing and the mechanicus tells them that they're developing the tech with the idea that they can do the same for holy terra as well as mars
I think weapons and resource shortages would be least of the imperiums issues. Radically changing the gravitational forces of the solar system by removing Mars might cause far bigger problems.
Losing access to the titan legions, who are now able to teleport directly to anywhere they see fit, would leave the imperium at mars' mercy if they tried military action.
I wonder if the Inquisition or the Mechanicum could farm their own orcs or maybe genetically reengineer a number of orcs strong enough to change their thought patterns so they could hace this ramshackle teleportation technology as well as gain the advantage of the Waagh field.
If Mars was teleported out of the path of the beast but still remains close to terra, not much would change since Mars still needs the manpower and fleet of the Imperium for protection and Terra still needs the technology from Mars. If *it was teleported far away from Terra, they would seek for other powers to replace the role of the Imperium and thus a schism would be very likely if not obvious. Ultimately though, they would become targets to Orcs, Chaos and perhaps even Tyranids and while they maintain significant fighting forces in their own right, it's still only one single world devoid of resources they need to maintain and produce their armies. While the loss of mars would be catastrophic for the Imperium, I think it would be the cult mechanicus that would be eradicated first. Suddenly facing not only Xenos and Chaos as their enemies but also the Imperium, especially the Inquisition. Furthermore many of the more basic designs like lasguns and chimeras can be cheaply produced without the need for a sophisticated forgeworld and there are other forgeworlds in the Imperium which might not be able to learn how to teleport their world to the new poisition of mars and thus would be conquered by the Imperium and forced to continue producing weapons, ammunition and other war gear for the Imperium. Therefore while the loss of Mars would certainly hurt the Imperium by losing access to many more advanced technologies found in advanced wargear like power armour (including tactical dreadnought armour), bolt weapons, tanks and especially titans many of the more simple designs like the RHINO or the Chimera - including it's variants - and tanks like the Leman Russ can likely be built either by Space Marine Techpriests and their servants, other forge worlds or simply on other worlds that would likely be equipped to produce such standard low tech gear like lasguns, chimeras and leman russ battle tanks and asked to provide such gear as their tenth. The organisations that would likely suffer the most initially in terms of access to wargear would likely be the Inquisition and the Sisters of Battle, since they use relatively "high tech" gear without having the equivalents of tech marines in their ranks. Ultimately Mars would be either corrupted or eradicated (or both) and the Imperium of Man would endur.
@@prageon6035 All of the current Imperial Fists are DESCENDED from the Successor Chapters! One Iron Warrior notes that the current IF fight much different that their Heresy counterparts (This was written long before War of the Beast Novels)
You neglected to mention potential effects on the Sol system itself. While Mars is no Jupiter, I think the loss of a significant gravitational well like Mars would have some possibly quite negative effects on nearby in-system stellar objects.
All 8 major planets are in a orbital resonance and if mars disapeared the orbits off all the planets would shift even some moons of the four gass giants could be thrown out of the solar system and every neer earth asteroid could have its orbit altered sending many to colide with inhadited planets.
Well, you've been true to 40k with the grimdark predictions but I'm going to come in with maybe a different perspective. Freed to study science without mechanicus dogma the human race might once again reach the level of technology seen in the first human empire. It's not like humans can't do science. In fact, they would probably do better at science without the mechanicus. Therefore the Martians can fuck off and have fun with their C'Tan master while the rest of humanity starts to remember the principles that made it a galactic empire in the first place.
What if the emperor conquered and dismantled the cult mechanicus on mars instead of integrating them? Despite the difficulty? The mechanicus and skiitari assistance and restrictions are both gone, and so the burden and benefit of technology is the Imperiums alone. How would this change things going forward?
imagine a hive world that could teleport 200 billion soldiers (admittedly tiny hummies) into battle, it would be worse than the tyrranids for sure. Forget moving it one-n-done style, place the astromicon on top of it and you got a traveling capital. It would be kind of neat, as this is what Charlemagne did. I think he would best fit Big E more than anyone else in history.
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Mars would simply be teleported faster.. because it's red.
lol this comment made my day ^^
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Vulcan would say ' dats a mighty fine teley porta you gits got 'ere
"So we're fine, so long as nobody teleports Mars."
"Question."
"What's your question, guardsman?"
"I teleported Mars."
"What?"
"You told me to."
"How much?"
"I have done nothing but teleport Mars for three days."
That was a very funny reference! The Red Scare wins this round folks!
I imagined that whole conversation with the robot voices.
Koronus Expanse: come over
Mars: no, playing Factorio
Koronus Expanse: we've got toasters
Mars: *_ZOOOOOOOOOP_*
Did someone say tosters 101010101010101010101010
"...Death of one of the legendary primarchs."
*VULKAN LIVES*
commissar stanley STOMP
STOMP
*VULKAN LIVES*
VULCAN LIVES
VULKAN LIVES!
*STOMP STOMP*
I don't think the Chaos Gods would be happy if someone discovered a method of FTL travel that makes them immune to the perils of the Warp.
Their bigger concern is their worshippers suddenly dying off due to Gork and Mork's lackeys.
you sure about that? because khorne seems to think that Demon killa Tuska and his boys are just a riot o_0
The Necron have FTL without the use of the warp?
@@Dreska_ they do, the necrons have the tech to lock them out of realspace.
@@Phenixtri they are fighting demons, demons don't die
The Void Dragon might wake up, or they might teleport all of Mars and accidentally leave the Void Dragon behind 😂
or there is a puny possibility that they teleport a part of Mars in a way that cuts Void dragon in half :p
well if terra gets f@cked from a warp tear and failure of the golden throne and leaves teh void dragon, would the void dragon able to stop or minimize its spread of tear as it is a necron?
Ninjabread Man just imagine, Mars tears itself apart, huge chunks land on Terra, chaos (lowercase) ensues. In the aftermath, the survivors are relieved to see that it wasn’t an extinction-level event, only to see an ancient star-god extricate itself from the rubble... And there is no Emperor to stop him this time
Sounds like a super bad comic villain "Ha-Ha its me again grimald..... I mean the void Dragon"
The void dragon was my first thought as well. For me thier are two possibilities the first being mars actually teleports and the void dragon somehow stays due to the mystery of his own power, or two he teleports with mars and somehow the binding that imprisons him is slackened due to the stop of time in teleportation.
-We should take Mars, and PUSH IT somewhere else!
-That idea just might be Heretekal enough... TO GET US ALL KILLED!
Papa Nurgle You get a plus from me.
grim dank memes
Dr Farnsworth might have already built several devices that can get the job done and are all doomsday devices as well
I think you missed a pretty major consequences of the teleportation of Mars; orbital mechanics.
If you remove the mass of Mars from the solar system it would affect the orbits of Earth and the asteroid belt.
Jupiter would fling asteroids all over the place, endangering every celestial body in the system, and attract a whole bunch of them putting Titan in the crosshairs of a couple of thousands of asteroids.
If they fail and blow up Mars this problem might even get worse, since I'm pretty sure Mars out-masses the asteroid belt, orbits wouldn't get as affected, but it would be like setting of a planet-sized Claymore-mine in the solar system (like you said)
I need to fire up Space Engine and delete Mars, and blow it up.... for science 🤯
okay so whats the verdict ?, what happens?
@@TS-jm7jm I couldn't figure it out unfortunately (I never use Space Engine or Universe Sandbox), I asked Scott Manley on Twitter tho, but I think he's asleep right now 💤
I think you may be overstating the effect on the asteroid belt somewhat.
Mars and Jupiter do not share a resonant orbit so it is quite rare for both bodies to affect the belt in the same places, if your premise is to be taken seriously then why are similar effects not observed when Jupiter and Mars on opposing sites of the sun?
I was also curious about this, i dont think the effects can be understated i assume their would be a huge amount of destruction due to teleporting a planet and destabilizing the orbits of every other heavenly body in the solar system
I think that 40k has all the science it needs to define itself. Don’t over think it. Embrace ir.
As interesting as the notion of all this political turmoil is, it feels like we glossed over the consequences of a successful teleportation on the phyiscal universe; where the hell WOULD they teleport an entire world to without causing some kind of massive gravitational fuckfest? If they drop Mars in orbit around just about any star, it's going to cause disruptions for local space immediately, drawing in /tossing around any local asteroids and other small forms of debris and even risking planetary collision should they drop it too close to the orbit of an existing planet in that system.
DDITIONAlly, depending on its placement, the planet could either cook or freeze depending on if they balls up the placement of Mars within this new star' Goldilocks Zone, resulting in a horrific death for every last thing on the planet's surface. This is doubly true for if they were to teleport it to some location outside of the life-giving warmth of a star and just drop their tin-plated asses in interstellar space away from a star; flash freeze.
Additional note: How well do these teleporters handle the transportation of the planet's atmosphere? I doubt the orks care terribly much as they can potentially bullshit their way through such concerns with a strong enoufgh belief that there's plenty of air, but that would not work for humanity.
As a witness of the care the Mechanicus give to their surroundings, I think they wouldn’t give a single toaster fuck for the consequences.
Mars is highly industrialised so as long as they have nuclear fuel to power their civilisation Mars wont freez, and not being close to the heat of a sun might be a boon for mars.
Remliez, your titles are getting more and more wild. And I love it.
This might be a odd question/Suggestion for a video: have you ever done a vid on the Origins of your Character? I was listening to The Text to Speech Podcast and realized that in the audio was when the Emperor pretty much made you a Inquisitor on top of being a Tech Priest. I just thought it would be interesting to hear the lore around your 40K Persona.
He should have arch do a pseudo-biography of his character
In a way there is such - Search his playlist for "The Quest For Knowledge" While not like his normal theories it is still a look into that persona in the form of a story.
@@xenosfloofwitch9691 yeah I've seen that, it is good, it's kinda what incepted the idea of having arch do a biography of sorts, actually
I would also be interested in learning why he cannot pronounce "Ursh" without having a grand maul seizure.
Not to forget throwing off systems planetary orbits
This, more than anything is what would cause damage to Terra.
I don't think a tiny pebble like Mars would throw off planetary orbits just like that... Not to any meaningful degree.
Theoretically, there shouldn't really be much consequences in that regard. According to what I've read, even the disappearance of Jupiter wouldn't have much effect on planetary orbits.
I think the real question is, did the Emperor swap the real Holy Terra to another system and replaced it with a fake after the unification wars without anyone noticing?
Noo... (raises warp bolter)
That would be hilarious
Well, that would explain where the water went.
Impossible as the Chaos Gods would have stopped him if he tried
Malcador's feat of hiding Titan in the Warp worked because he doesn't have the Dark Gods' attention on him
@@godemperorofmankind7255 GODDAMMIT MY LORD!!!!!
The Emperor: "You can't just teleport Mars!"
The Fabricator-General: "The teleporter is ready."
"Objective: Teleport Mars"
Mars teleports.....
Metal Dragon Boi: NOOOOOOOOOO!
A master forged bolter says some lucky orks looted a Necron tombworld for the teleportation tech.
That series (The War of the Beast) had a lot of good characters and story lines that I'd love to see you explore if you get the chance. Always love watching your videos
I’m surprised he has not already.
And a lot of absolute WTF-even as well.
Like Ork Primarchs existing... somehow.
If Mars got ripped apart in a teleport malfunction imagine all the hidden technology and Void Dragons that will spill into the Sol system
_Slaps roof of Mars:_ this bad boy can hold so many *HIDDEN TECHNOLOGIES AND VOID DRAGONS*
_Me, a Necron:_ *Mag'ladroth*
tech priest looking at ork teleporter: half this shit aint even plugged in!
Without the vast manpower of the Imperium, the Mechanicus would quickly find they just killed off their only real means of securing their existence in a galaxy literally going to Hell. The best they can hope for is constantly skipping about the galaxy, maybe even trying to get to another galaxy, which has been said to be pointless as the Orks and Tryanids are EVERYWHERE at least in the local Galaxy Group, our neighborhood of galaxies, roughly 10Mly across, bound by gravity, and should be largely unaffected by the expansion of the universe at least until "the age of Iron Stars", trillions of years from now. The Mechanicus would become cosmic hobos within a few millennia and likely wiped out by Orks, Tyranids, something else, or both if they teleported Mars and decided this is what they shall do from now on.
However, if the Mechanicus realized this was possible, if not a likely outcome, then they would actually share the technology with the IoM and the Imperium would suddenly be wildly more capable of defending their worlds. No longer requiring the Warp for transportation and possibly even communication, a steady rate of improvement in the standard of living in the IoM would be noticeable over the course of mere centuries. Such is the case when goods and services can be shipped and received quickly and reliably. Because voyages would take less time, and likely have the luxury of ever better safety systems and technology, crew fatalities from, for example, simply refueling their ships, would decline enormously. Not traveling through the Warp puts valuable space between Humanity and Chaos at least slowing the bleed through to Material space.
With this improvement in the standard of living, calls for making systems more self-reliant where and when possible will come up. Since IoM ships can easily drop in quickly at the first sign of dissent, they see no reason not to let most systems become self-reliant such that they can survive having major trade routes and agri-worlds forge worlds etc being cut over or destroyed. The IoM would also be able to respond to threats, bring reinforcements and relief much more quickly and reliably, with far greater coordination.
As the IoM becomes more secure they are less aggressively Xenophobic and more willing to treat with some races such as the Eldar. Although due to some diplomatic and political faux pas, the Tau get left out in the cold. One wonders how the Eldar managed not to shot themselves in the foot this time. However IoM Xenophobia will take centuries even millennia to fully dial back to merely being cautious of the Xenos.
The Adeptus Astartes and Primaris would face a culling of their most needlessly dangerous chapters as the IoM does not have to "throw up hands" at not being able to look over their shoulders and make sure they are not being a bunch of mass-murderers in apocalyptic battle armor because no one is around to tell them to stop killing everything because "today is kill everything pink day". While some of the somewhat vicious chapters are retained, mostly the more straight-laced, "actually good, good guy" chapters go unaffected by this culling. But being able to enforce discipline and uniformity in the ranks from chapter to chapter, while being able to reliably monitor and direct them, becomes radically easier.
The Martians almost made a stupid as hell mistake. The sheer benefits of sharing the technology would far outweigh taking and keeping it only for themselves.
Also, what happened to Venus? Is it still a hell planet or was something fruitful done to the planet. One would think that before or during the "Dark Age of Technology": Venus would be terraformed and be almost a second Earth.
Very good points. However, you are assuming teleportation is a safer way of traveling. Is it really? A lot can go wrong. The energy requirements for moving entire ships would be truly gigantic and become a hazard themselves. In regards to Venus, terraforming wouldn't be enough, considering how close the planet is to the sun. Venus would require something like a planet-sized semi-transparent sun shield to reduce radiation and heat. Jupiter and Saturn have really high gravity. I don't think I've ever read anything about other planets in the solar system being inhabited besides some of their moons.
Nah mate, terraforming venus withouth changing its orbit is fine. Actually, this topic has been debated by scientists and sci fi enthusiasts to the ground already. Cant post links since I am phone posting but go read it up on google. Theres even an article on wiki about it.
This is actually what the emperor was trying to achieve with the golden throne, to open a stable portal into the web way on humanity’s home planet. Removing the need to enter the immaterium at all. Hence his banning of phykers and religion.
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This is WH40K, we don't even concern ourselves with the accuracy of power figures never mind where the power comes from. But really, I don't think the IOM or Admech would build anything smaller than a Dwarf Planet with teleportation capabilities. The Power source might be that huge. Ships would have to dock on, in, or very close to the teleporting ship.
I'm going to assume that the kinds of thought gone into terraforming Venus just was not done when this mythos was first written. but building essentially a massive sun shade in geosync orbit between Venus and the Sun would allow the planet to cool down. The process would take a few centuries 300-400 years on the outside, allowing the surface to eventually be cool enough even cold enough to allow humans to surface make planet fall there. Meanwhile a considerable orbit infrastructure would be built over Venus. If any effort were made to install Earth life on a now habitable Venus, I could see the planet seeing very few surface residents. The Emperor would have made Venus his vacation planet.
@@hithere5553
The Emperor banned Psykers because of Magnus the Red's wreck his webway project. It is distressingly that simple. Otherwise, the peopel who evenutall made up the Imperium on their own were culling psykers because they were seen as evil for, usually very accidentally and innocently summoning Chaos.
He banned Religion because he believed it lead to violence and degradation of humanity. Ironically it was religion that one keeps him alive, and two keeps Humanity from being eaten alive by the galaxy at large. Even if the Emperor were to die and be reborn in the warp or is a perpetual and is allowed to die so he can recover (Highlander problem), religion may be the only way to keep humanity safe and sane in the face of Chaos. The biggest issue is then how to ween humanity off the violence kick often attributed to Religion. Because the Emperors's Secularity was not accomplished without copious amounts of violence initiated and escalated by teh Emperor and his secular agenda. Ultimately, Humans will just fight and kill each other because of Tribalism, and religion simply allowed for the creation of yet another tribe to kill in the name of and Secularity was just another tribe.
Interesting theory my Inquisitor.
=][= keep them up
5:58 Electropriest needs to be a metal band name
Regarding near heretical tech, in Dark Imperium: Plague Wars, anti-warp torpedoes are apparently a thing. According to one of the primaris in the book, they just stuff the body of a necron pariah in a torpedo.
If mars gets destroyed the would have freed the void dragon thus more destruction
(edit) whoah! so many likes, thanks n more power Remleiz!
- so many likes
*28 likes*
*Challenge Accepted*
Cawl *NO*
I’d imagine the battle of Acadia would’ve gone very differently if the planet, blackstone fortress, or even a portion of the chaos fleet, was teleported away.
Now there’s a thought! The 14th Black Crusade repelled not by faith or fire, but by an annoying mass-teleportation array!
“Hey, the enemy ships are reaching the edge of Eye-space. Should we teleport them back in?”
“Nah, let’s wait a couple hours, get their hopes up before we crush them. 😏”
Or if the IoM had the ability to teleport reinforcements directly into the system. Whole fleets could be brought in to defend cadia. There wouldn't even be a ground battle. Just imagine how many imperial ships could be moved there to stop anything.
Whenever the mechanicus actually researches new things, it's less like actual science and more like a child playing with fireworks.
*Sees title*
Not enough Pootis or Dispensers.
What about sentries?
@@robertnelson9599 Isn't that what Servitors are for?
I have done nothing but teleport bread for three days.
@@mercenarygundam1487 It be like that. 🙃🔫
If Mars broke apart the Void Dragon would be released as well I think. That would be bad. If Mars teleported it could have released the Void Dragon being as we don't know exactly how the imprisonment works.
The Black Legion would attempt another Black Crusade in order to destroy all the Pylons scattered across many worlds resulting in the Great Rift in the M33!
(Chaos Victory)
Beast Orks would have taken Holy Terra and killed the God Emperor
(Also, Chaos Victory)
With the God-Emperor dead, there is nobody stopping the Void Dragon from initiating ANOTHER Age of Strife!
Could this tech be used against tyranids? If not all planets in the path of a hive fleet, certainly key military ones could be moved.
move everything out of their way, let them starve to death between systems
Great vid again guys!
I just missed one thing: the possible escape of the Void Dragon were Mars to shatter.
This video got me thinking, what if the emperor went to the mechanicus first or didn't come at all. And lets say the mechanicus already had navigators and astorpaths and such. How big and powerful could the mechanicus have gotten if they were allowed to expand and spread to forge a empire? With or without the emperor. I think it would be a good video or a good series at least.
all ork "technology" is simply an extension of their waaagh field. whatever it is, it simply does what the orks believe it will do, and nothing they believe it will not do. and reverse engineering of this "technology" is essentially impossible, as it is rarely ever actually constructed in a form that would actually be capable of functioning as intended, or at all, without the presence of an ork with his waagh field to believe that it will work.
if the mechanicus was able to reverse engineer this tech, then either they have the ability to somehow generate a waagh field, or the technology is not proper orky.
Well they did get the help from tens of thousands of ork bodys.
@@catnium they could build a device to mimic the end result, theoretically. but they would be starting from scratch in terms of the base framework. essentially it would be like watching a sorcerer conjure warp fire from his hands. then trying to build a machine to do the same thing.
technological innovation is not exactly the mechanicus' strong point. in fact, its outright heretical. so the odds of them doing so, and on such a massive scale and as a unified whole, are essentially null. but they do accept studying xeno tech to understand how it works, its just that cant really happen with proper orky tech.
and thus we get back to my original point
From what I gather, ork tech is shabby because of incomplete or damage knowledge encoded inches are genes. So their tech not working right is a byproduct of this and not the intended result of their creators. This would mean that if a wall got big enough they could possibly produce fully-functioning tech that's only strengthened by their field of influence.
My theory is that as orks get close to a complete waaagh saturation they enter a phase of rapid physical and mental evolution so that their technology becomes truly functional but impossible to reverse engineer due to unrivaled complexity.
At that phase the wagh field stops being used to make technology work and instead becomes an infinite feedback loop of unstoppable evolution that feeds back into itself.
I believe that this is the true threat of the orks: unrivaled and unlimited evolution.
@@fl00fydragon
The Necrons defeated the Orks in their Prime along with the Eldar, Jokaero, Old Ones plus two more Alien Species!
Beast Orks only happened ONCE after the War in Heaven
It’s times like this where I fully understand why the Amalathians are against changing anything about the Imperium.
-We should take mars and push it somewhere else.
-Excellent idea Patricus Starrus.
This video reminds me to finish The Beast Arises series. I remember how in I am Slaughter the arrival of an Ork attack moon plays absolute gravitational havoc on the world that the Imperial Fists are fighting on.
1:26 - He's not dead until he's found dead. | 3:04 - It would be tech heresy and besides, it needs WAAAGH! energy to work. | It would mean that there would be two new dwarf planets...what next? What if Konrad Curze (e.g. fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman) was found by the Emperor as he dug himself out from the self-made hole?
*I TELEPORTED MARS.*
*I HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT TELEPORT MARS FOR THE PAST WEEK.*
Once again, the Imperium proving that the greatest threat to itself is itself.
We would have relied on squats more and actually had technology advance?
It would be interesting if they used the technology to create a forge system where every planet gets exchanged with a forge world, the could also use the technology to bring astroids moons and even planets full of rescourses there so they dont have to ship eveyting there
Leaving the loss of manpower and tech aside, I would be concerned about the gravitational effects if a celestial body as big as Mars disappeared.
Astronomy Scientists: "What the hell have you done."
Imperial Navy: "They took our jobs!" >:O
Dino, you're high. Teleporting a planet? Away from terra? High and Heresy. So High Heresy.
In my mind, if the Mechanicus were able to refine this Orkish teleportation technologey to function for them, then said technologey should be implemented onto Imperium ships. If Imperium ship were able to conduct FTL travel without having to use The Warp then not only would space travel be much safer, but they would no longer have to depend on the Astra Nomicon which would ease the burden on the Empeor Of Mankind.
However this plan would need intelligent thinking on the Imperium's part, something they tend to sorely lack.
coughrowboatcough
I'm curious as to whether or not the teleporters would even work on such a large scale without the presence of orkoids. We've seen numerous examples of ork technology simply not functioning and often destroying itself in fantastical fashion when not being used by an ork. With the teleportation of Phobos, if I have my timing correctly, this happened during the War of the Beast, and could be explained as occurring during the single greatest WAGH in known human history.
Side note: Phobos being teleported, potentially through the Warp, would be one hell of a way to push the DOOM universe into 40k.
First, I was, like, "lolwut?!" But after seeing the whole vid, I'm genuinly interested.
I think what's probably more interesting is the possibility that Mars would use teleportation regularly. Weather they remained allies with Terra or not, someone in the 40k universe having reliable FTL travel would be a major game-changer. Whatever faction ended up with that, be it the Mechanicus alone, or the Mechanicus combined with Terra would suddenly become far more powerful, due to their mobility.
Mars experimenting with teleportation tech. Stares in Doom Slayer.
Techmarine: So we're fine. As long as nobody teleports any moons
Fabricator General: Question
Techmarine: What's your question, Fabricator General?
Fabricator General: I teleported Phobos
Techmarine: You what?
Fabricator General: You told me to.
Techmarine: [ _Threateningly_ ] How...much...?
Fabricator General: I have done nothing but teleport Phobos for 3 days.
Inquisitor: WHERE?!? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN SENDING IT?!?
10:57 i think we are forgetting how much of a military benefit it could be for the imperium and mechanicus
The Imperium: struggles to teleport 10 guys in big armour
The Mechanicus: casually teleports mars
Great video 40k Theories
I'm pretty sure the people of Mars aren't quitters.
Welcome to Warhammer AlternateHistoryHub.
That would probably wake up the Ctan sleeping inside Mars tbh fam desu~
yea void dragon would wake up and undoubtedly be pretty cranky as a result ....
Fam Desu. Lol xD
Oh, wonderful. Everyone thank 40k Th. for reminding the cogboys of teleporters while we all wave goodbye to Mars.
The real question is would the Mechanicus still have access to Toasters and Oil Margeritas?
My question is, how is it possible to back engineer Ork technology at all, considering the link between Ork Tech and the Waaagh-Field? We've always been under the impression that Orky tech was really just random bits of scrap, hammered together and it was the reality warping effects of the Waaagh that actually made it work. Does this mean that the only reason the Mechanicus were able to teleport Phobos and advance their experiments as far as they did, is because the Orks believed that they would? Maybe even counted on it? If the Beast was showing a level of strategic sophistication that went so far beyond that of any other Warboss in history, could this even have been another grand strategy, to split the Imperium and Mechanicus from one another?
im under the impression that waaaagh isnt magic but replaces the tedium of experiment and trial and error that humans deal with. an ork cant pick up a piec of metal and turn it into a lazer rifle, they just uncannily can take a bunch of scraps and turn that into technology.
the teleporters are probably 80/90% useable, understandable tech by humans and the rest waaaaagh fuckery
@@b33lze6u6 Yeah, but when teleporting entire planets around, that 10/20% that they DON'T understand is kinda important... And that implies the Mechanicus actually understand ANYTHING about technology, rather than just copying existing machines with no actual understanding of the principles upon which they function
@@weldonwin fair. One of the most frustrating yet entertaining things about 40k is how far you can stretch the "grey area"
My standard example being a single astarte killing 10k xenos and also a single xenos killing an equivalent number of marines ( scaled down by %age maybe)
While the fleets of the Imperial Navy would be rendered obsolete for warp travel, their other functions would be completely uninhibited. While deploying an "attack moon" into a system sounds like a neat way to transport troops, even within a solar system space is massive. I have a feeling that such technology would not be used for the trivial purpose of just moving such a significant mass from one part of the system to the other, and so naval vessels would still be required for intrasystem travel. In addition, the vast size of such an object would wreck havoc on the orbital mechanics of a planet's moons if it had any, and so would be very likely to destroy any planet it would be sent to protect. It also makes for a relatively simple target for relativistic kinetic kill vehicles to destroy. A fleet of ships on the other hand are much smaller and more nimble targets, while also being able to respond to developments within a system quickly to deliver troops or firepower. Therefore I would say that the Navy would not be obsolete, merely more focused on combat. It would likely be able to do without warp engines or gellar fields, saving much tonnage for other systems.
I assumed the Admechs were always teleporting Mars to keep it relatively close to Terra in case of assault due to differences between the revolution around the Sun. Though, if Mars ever left the Sol system, things would not end well due to messing around with gravitational pull.
I know this is tangential to the video but does anyone know what happened to those old Hydra& Wyvern trailers GW had out on youtube a few years ago? The background song here had me thinking of them the entire time but for some reason, I can't find it
Why do the adeptus mechanicus and psykers not get along? It seems like all that logic would probably help understand and improve psyker abilities while the psyker magics could assist with risky research.
I dunno, I guess it's because they see psykers as replicating technology, all the lightning and pushing things around and all that, without using a machine.
Here is a Theory I have about the ork gods Gork & Mork:
Gork & Mork where originally just a single ork warboss that fought & fought until he grew so large & powerful that nothing could offer a good fight for him, so he decided to teleport to somewhere in the universe that had a worthy fight & got stuck in the immaterium.
There he found the chaos gods & their daemon armies which he fought endlessly growing larger & larger still until his personal WAAAGH!! energy became so powerful that it started bleeding back into the materium, affecting all the orks across the universe who started worshipping him as both Gork & Mork.
This split his being into two halves which resulting in him becoming the ork gods Gork & Mork that we have now.
How did ancient humanity not discover this tech in the golden age? It would have made the birth of slanesh a simple post-it note for mankind. If the orks produced this tech via old one knowledge that would make sense, but aside from that I see no explanation.
Joseph Roseen Apparently the Orks nicked it off of some Necrons.
I don't think the teleporting would end as catastrophic as they say. The Navy would still mostly use the warp. However special units would likely be made, as well as battle moons.
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this already, but what about the Void Dragon? I think it was confirmed to be locked away on Mars? I'm pretty sure the planet being split in half would release it, and even a successful teleport might wake it up because plot development.
The miss mass of Mars would radically destabilize the centers of mass in the Sol System and probably cause massive gravitational imbalances. That could have cracked Terra in half or cause Luna to crash into Terra too. Nothing like this happens in nature so there would be no way to know. But being 40K assume the worst possible for all involved. Like Luna slowing crashing into Terra (just not all it once, like the collision would take 10's of thousands of years even after Luna touch the surface, the Void Dragon walking up and massive Warp tears break out all around Mars as the Ruinous powers take advantage of Mars being away from the light of the Golden Throne.
Me: (Remembers remliez is from the adeptus mechanicus [i think]) “what are you planning remliez!?”
“Teleporting your kind away from terra to a place where toasters are over abundant?!”
“Wait till the rest of the chaos war band hears of this, it doesn’t matter where you move Mars! We will always find a way to watch you guys meddling with toasters!”
Too bad Doom wouldn’t have made it to the 41st millennium, it would have been a great cautionary tale
In addition to all those possibilities, another potential consequence I could see happening is strife within the Mechanicus itself once it becomes known that Mars got teleported using tech reverse-engineered from Ork tech. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the use of alien technology considered heresy to the Mechanicus? Plus there's also the matter of leaving the body of the Omnissiah behind on Terra which would undoubtedly anger portions of the Mechanicus; plus if Terra fell, the Emperor along with it, there'd be the small matter of another warp rift opening up where Terra used to be, plus who knows how that'd effect the Void Dragon's prison...
What would happen to Titan?
I think it might destroy it...
The planets are currently in stable orbits. If Mars simply disappeared, that equilibrium would be disrupted. This would most likely result in the planets migrating into new and more stable orbits to reestablish gravitational equilibrium. This could have some dire effects.
I imagine that wide scale xenotech use would probably be come a thing out of desperation since terra would lose mars during a battle and the resources and troops it had, assuming it didn't collapse.
What’s the beginning intro background music called
instantaneous, warp independent FTL would make the Mechanicum the dominant faction in the galaxy. The logistical implications would be immeasurable. Trade and supply lines would be secure and almost instant. Entire trade planets could move about the Imperium at will, much less fleets. The navy would still be necessary to defend against other ships, but would be made stronger by not having to escort ground forces or protect shipping lanes. Those forces would be freed up to engage the enemies of mankind, and at instant speed. Even if the Mechanicum horded the technology, their own military would now become stronger than the Imperium's, simply by being able to redeploy and resupply their forces as quickly as they can move through the teleporters. Such technology could even be used offesnively, to teleport a planet or even a fleet into a star. It'd be a great way to deal with the Tyranids.
It would be Choas at first, but when the Nids attack they would be in smaller number's since the Big E wouldn't have to keep the Astra Nomica going which in Nids eyes make the Big E a psychic Beacon.
Is your outro music the same music from the awards ceremony from Mario Kart 64?
Praise the Omnissiah
I wonder if Cawl has this tech in his brain so he could make it for the Imperium. I can only see pro's to this technology, and in a way this is better then the emperor's webway project, because it by passes the warp fully.
Aside from the political and astronomical effects, wide spread planetary teleportation could be a great defensive tactic. Imagine some defenseless argi-world about to be invaded by some horrible threat only for it to blip out of existence and be replaced by a fortress world that can easily overcome the threat.
if you want to take it a step further, using teleportation for stellar manipulation and moving whole systems could consolidate the fractured M42 Imperium. Retreat to only one or two sectors without the lose of resources and shorten supply lines.
#VulkanLives
I'm surprised anything would come from trying to reverse engineer ork tech.
Awesome!!
Chaos would have won
Beast Orks kill False Emperor:
-Astronomicon fails (Abaddon destroys all the Pylons and creates the Great Rift seven THOUSAND years earlier!)
-Golden Throne fails, Daemons start pouring out of the Warp Rift inside the Imperial Palace!
Wouldn’t mars being destroyed by a failed teleportation also might result in releasing the void dragon?
This video have me chills😨
I think it would depend on if the mechanicus told the other high lords/imperium what they were doing and the mechanicus tells them that they're developing the tech with the idea that they can do the same for holy terra as well as mars
I think weapons and resource shortages would be least of the imperiums issues. Radically changing the gravitational forces of the solar system by removing Mars might cause far bigger problems.
Losing access to the titan legions, who are now able to teleport directly to anywhere they see fit, would leave the imperium at mars' mercy if they tried military action.
I wonder if the Inquisition or the Mechanicum could farm their own orcs or maybe genetically reengineer a number of orcs strong enough to change their thought patterns so they could hace this ramshackle teleportation technology as well as gain the advantage of the Waagh field.
can't forget that depending on where they go, it could also awaken the Void Dragon
If Mars was teleported out of the path of the beast but still remains close to terra, not much would change since Mars still needs the manpower and fleet of the Imperium for protection and Terra still needs the technology from Mars.
If *it was teleported far away from Terra, they would seek for other powers to replace the role of the Imperium and thus a schism would be very likely if not obvious.
Ultimately though, they would become targets to Orcs, Chaos and perhaps even Tyranids and while they maintain significant fighting forces in their own right, it's still only one single world devoid of resources they need to maintain and produce their armies.
While the loss of mars would be catastrophic for the Imperium, I think it would be the cult mechanicus that would be eradicated first.
Suddenly facing not only Xenos and Chaos as their enemies but also the Imperium, especially the Inquisition.
Furthermore many of the more basic designs like lasguns and chimeras can be cheaply produced without the need for a sophisticated forgeworld and there are other forgeworlds in the Imperium which might not be able to learn how to teleport their world to the new poisition of mars and thus would be conquered by the Imperium and forced to continue producing weapons, ammunition and other war gear for the Imperium.
Therefore while the loss of Mars would certainly hurt the Imperium by losing access to many more advanced technologies found in advanced wargear like power armour (including tactical dreadnought armour), bolt weapons, tanks and especially titans many of the more simple designs like the RHINO or the Chimera - including it's variants - and tanks like the Leman Russ can likely be built either by Space Marine Techpriests and their servants, other forge worlds or simply on other worlds that would likely be equipped to produce such standard low tech gear like lasguns, chimeras and leman russ battle tanks and asked to provide such gear as their tenth.
The organisations that would likely suffer the most initially in terms of access to wargear would likely be the Inquisition and the Sisters of Battle, since they use relatively "high tech" gear without having the equivalents of tech marines in their ranks.
Ultimately Mars would be either corrupted or eradicated (or both) and the Imperium of Man would endur.
Wait the imperial fist wiped out, how many years it took to rebuild the chapter
Within the War of the Beast since the successor chapters came together and donated a portion of their chapter's numbers to help rebuild.
Centurion Sword wasn't that only a smokescreen to make it seem the Chapter was just fine? Or were they rebuilt by the Imperial Fist successors?
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All of the current Imperial Fists are DESCENDED from the Successor Chapters!
One Iron Warrior notes that the current IF fight much different that their Heresy counterparts (This was written long before War of the Beast Novels)
You neglected to mention potential effects on the Sol system itself. While Mars is no Jupiter, I think the loss of a significant gravitational well like Mars would have some possibly quite negative effects on nearby in-system stellar objects.
All 8 major planets are in a orbital resonance and if mars disapeared the orbits off all the planets would shift even some moons of the four gass giants could be thrown out of the solar system and every neer earth asteroid could have its orbit altered sending many to colide with inhadited planets.
They'd leave their capital of Cyberdongs behind.
Well, you've been true to 40k with the grimdark predictions but I'm going to come in with maybe a different perspective. Freed to study science without mechanicus dogma the human race might once again reach the level of technology seen in the first human empire. It's not like humans can't do science. In fact, they would probably do better at science without the mechanicus. Therefore the Martians can fuck off and have fun with their C'Tan master while the rest of humanity starts to remember the principles that made it a galactic empire in the first place.
Doubt it, the Chaos Gods or the Warp itself would corrupt any new technological developments
Even Necron Tech ain't safe from Chaos infection
What if the emperor conquered and dismantled the cult mechanicus on mars instead of integrating them? Despite the difficulty? The mechanicus and skiitari assistance and restrictions are both gone, and so the burden and benefit of technology is the Imperiums alone. How would this change things going forward?
The Lord High Admiral Lansung would be one of the first from the Navy to attacking the Mechanicus as he would be the one to lose most power.
imagine a hive world that could teleport 200 billion soldiers (admittedly tiny hummies) into battle, it would be worse than the tyrranids for sure. Forget moving it one-n-done style, place the astromicon on top of it and you got a traveling capital. It would be kind of neat, as this is what Charlemagne did. I think he would best fit Big E more than anyone else in history.