Why Our Political System Is Broken
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Is the UK political system broken beyond repair? How do politicians escape accountability for their lies? How has a tax system been created that is more than confusing? Ian Dunt is a political writer and commentator who has written a book called ‘How Westminster Works and Why It Doesn’t’.
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Chapters:
00:00-00:30 - Intro
00:30-08:48 - Why people died after probation was reformed
08:48-16:23 - Why we get the politicians we do
16:23 - 21:33 - How bad is it?
21:33-30:01 - Who can control the government?
30:01-40:30 - Lack of long-term strategy
40:30-48:50 When journalists don’t hold politicians accountable
48:50-53:30 - Does anyone know what they’re doing?
53:30 - 58:28 - What Brexit revealed
58:28-01:07:07 - What happens if Labour get into power
01:07:07- 01:15:00 - Why is the tax system so confusing?
01:15:00 - 01:21:38 - When will things get better?
I don't think I've ever heard a podcast guest (on any podcast) be so well-spoken and interesting to listen to.
I work in finance. My starting salary was 45k per year. The government equivalent via “companies house or civil service jobs” want twice the experience, twice the grades for a starting salary of 28k per year and a maximum salary of 46k
is this conversation leaving anyone else feeling frustrated and angry ?
This is much better than I thought it would be, a lot more depressing as well. @Damo, you are an excellent interviewer, well prepared, attentive and competent.
Thank you so much.
Brilliant guest and a very engaging speaker!
I could listen to this all day.
One of the best podcast I have heard this year!
I’ve been watching you for a while now (just never subscribed). I’ve been listening to Ian for ages and read most of his books. The combination is amazing and definitely triggered a subscribe (admittedly overdue). This is great stuff, keep mixing things like this into the general “let’s talk about finances” conversation, because it matters. Thanks!
There are elements of the civil service who are experts in their field - but they are generally all at the bottom where influence is negligible. Those that do rise up often leave for industry because pay is often 3x higher and money talks.
Excellent episode Damo and T. Really engaging guest. Made me think and confirm my own thoughts regarding our broken political and electoral system. We need to change and can learn a lot off countries like Norway. Oh how I wish the U.K. had set up a sovereign fund like them in the 70’s. The political elite need to see the bigger picture, prepare for tomorrow and not use the 🎱 when making their decisions for today!
Really enjoyed your conversation. Will check out the book.
A couple of your recent guests were questionable to be fair, but this one knocks it straight out of the park... 👌 Eye opening!
Ian Dunt has always been excellent.
One of my favourite podcasters.
Ian Dunt is excellent. His and Dorian Lynskey's podcast Origin Story is the best one I've ever come across, and I listen to a lot of podcasts! It makes me sad that his debates on RUclips have so little views and likes.
I love the dulcet tones of Ian Dunt. I first heard him on Late Night Live (ABC RN). He makes a lot of sense. It is a testament to how much collusion there is amongst the right wing in the US, UK and Australia, that the Tories, Republicans and Aus conservative coalition (Liberal and National Parties) have played to the same song sheet over the past 10 years of so (or even earlier and probably when they started to subscribe to Friedmanite, trickle down, neo-liberal economic theory). So many of the Tory policy and practices (such as they are) also occurred in Australia over the past 10 year of Coalition Government including the whittling down of members and ministers to the lowest forms of life in their parties.
Enjoyed that Damo. He raises some really good points. As someone who works in the public sector myself, I can see first hand what he is getting at.... it's somewhat lions led by donkeys at times! Not entirely true as there are some really good, competent people who get promoted sometimes, however in at least 50% of cases they are just people who are good at networking and meetings and who often continue to avoid any of the core operational functions of what we do as they know they will otherwise get found out. Think this is rife across all civil services roles.
This was a really clear headed assessment of the country and the people and systems that run it.
Excellent guest gents.
I think simplifying tax, and even putting it up to northern European levels in exchange for excellent public services is okay provided it provides value for money.
The big issue is the absolute lack of a long term strategy.. and the lack of incentive for those walking in to it.. as a new governing party to carry it on.. the system needs to incentivise that consistency and follow through on strategic plans.. should be written into law and maybe even pay a ministers dividend on managing to progress it further and so on…
What an absolute pleasure to watch, even if it was sobering. Ian was really interesting to listen to. Good job guys 👍
Oh man, so much to unpack! Extraordinary guest, and a pleasure to listen to! He definitely needs to come back!
its scary how much power we give to people who have no background in what they're doing can you imagine doing that for building houses or machinery design!!??
You guys do an excellent interview - Informative and most enjoyable. Thanks!
Ian Dunt, Damo and T.... I was not expecting this in 2024
Excellent pod cast listen. Really enjoyed this (who doesn't like a bit of politician bashing), Shame the future is not looking so rosie.
One of the best conversations I’ve heard on politics for a long time, thank you.
Absolutely fascinating. Another book for the list!
great listening m8s
Love these podcasts - Learnt a lot
Great interview. Keep them coming lads
Great stuff, really interesting and not that different in my place of work re people shifting through the gears, moving up jobs and failing upwards, leaving those with lots of knowledge in jobs with no pay increases.
Only 2 mins in and the core issue is jumping out: no accountability.
What an excellent podcast ! One of the best podcasts I've ever listened too.
One of your best videos! And I haven’t watch a bad one yet. Very informative
Need to get that guy into a position of power to sort the country out
Excellent insights, thankyou
13:40 .. "glad" to see Italy is not the only one.. had a minister who used to be steward at the football stadium..
how about making a rule that you can't be a minister unless youve had a couple of years relevant experience on a select committee
Top episode.
@28:00 intersection of what Gary Stevenson was saying…
Hopefully Labour will read Richard Murphy’s Taxing Wealth report.
Phenomenal guest! Loved every second, extremely informative 🤩👊
One the best ans most important podcasts I've heard on ANY channel. Congratulations on it! Now, we need to do something to sort out the shit show.
Government contracts do have to go out to tender. But nearly always the cheapest bid must be chosen. There is no protectionism; something that the UK stupidly considers shameful and yet, for example, USA are proud of (which economy is doing better?). (We nearly contracted the Chinese to build a nuclear power plant in our country a few years ago!!! I mean, talk about utterly idiotic.) What is often not involved in the selection process is any grip on reality of the project life or any realistic evaluation of how much it should cost. The chosen contractor, a few years in, simply says that, oh-what-a-surprise, costs are much higher than expected so you will need to pay more. Who could have seen that coming? The alternative is a complete halt to the process so you lose face because the project has been a complete waste of time and money (and the contractor tries to sue the government because the contract was written so badly that there was no protection for the government). The better value for money contractor could have been the one not chosen at the time of tender simply because they gave a more realistic cost. The civil servants and temp ministers are incompetent and do not want any responsibility so responsibility is contracted out, including the due diligence. They have no idea over specification details or quality because nobody with any competence has authority or incentive, leaving it open for the winning bidder, who, in contrast, is the experienced professional, to take them for a ride. It makes the tendering process ineffective e.g. all the failed government IT projects. The British arrogance of wanker temp politicians often prevents the competence of underlings (or experiences from other countries) from being used. And vain, arrogant CEO-failures are the only ones that want the job and can survive the constant barrage of attack from rivals and the media as they wade up through politics. It's a tricky one.
Wonder what these guys make of the Reform party's policies
Absolute qudos for talking to Dunt. I’ve followed him for years from his Remainiacs days.
Simply brilliant and a mouth like a sewer 🤣🤣
interview gary's economics, would be very interesting seeing ideas clash !
We did!
And it wouldn’t be an ideas clash but rather seeing the same problems from different perspectives. Some day it will be really interesting to hear a conversation with Ian and Gary in one room possibly Damo moderating.
@T 18:40 through the 18th & 19th centuries: stealing and “gun beats spear” that’s how.
Damien mentioned it 2 seconds later
Great interview with a really intelligent guy. You should turn this channel into the new Michael Parkinson show - intelligent guests being asked serious questions about the future of UK, Politics, Geopolitics, Capitalism, Banks, Debt etc
Thank you!
I am not sure I understand he answered why a government that's been given a mandate to govern would be shy/lazy/reluctant to make big reforms in something fundamentally broken like the tax system? Why tf are we voting for a new party if that same party will be reluctant to make major reforms to things that are affecting us adversely? Where is the bold, visionary leadership in this country? What are they in Downing Street for then? Sounds to me that the country is falling apart at the seams and we are being told that we must contend with a centrist Labour govt doing some minor tweaks to dismal policies that we all see don't work. Frustrating at best!
As far as i know Labour is not campaining with this as a goal, even though everyone knows the tax system is a mess. The Greens have some policy statements out that say they want ot make the tax system as "simple as possible". I think any changes are going to have to be gradual, to achieve the long term goal of a simpler tax system. Everything Ian said about short termism in Govt makes me doubt it will ever happen.
Guest is such a remoaner
53:00 - Brexit was also because 80% of the public wanted a referendum.
Also a lot of what he says on Brexit at the end is fatalistic nonsense.
Other than that, quite accurate on the UK government generally.
I usually don't vote but I will this time, I'm not sure who for yet but maybe Labour 🤔
"you can call out anyone" I hope you can without being de-platformed. Do you have an alternative for when RUclips is closed to you? I hope so.
Hi Damo tehe 🎉😂
So we need more fluffers. Right, now invite Dominic Cummings. Weirdly I think he will say a lot of the same things.
Congrats with needing a haircut! 😂
This guy is a full on London centric lefty.
If you like this you should have a read of Dominic Cumming's Substack
This guest has an anti-Brexit bias which tars his analysis a bit and his is obviously pro-Labour as if they would improve the system 😂
The problem is the system itself. As he highlights we need significantly more capable people in the civil service and in parliament, creating the right incentives for that to happen such as pay.
Also why is the state so involved in everyone's lives? Is part of the problem that it's trying to do too much and is stretched? Perhaps we need a leaner and more focused state, letting the people have more responsibility for their own lives!
As a civil servant and been in the same role for years, I disagree with being painted the same as the rest. There are many that come into the civil service that do indeed, move on within a short period of time but deep specialist knowledge in niche areas require staff to remain in post for years to gain the experience for delivery of services. Civil servants are the best at what they do and run the country as well as can be expected within timeframes promulgated by the incumbent government.
You do realise that you have proven the point though: the incentive is to move so that you get promoted. You have stayed where you are and not been promoted. Now I applaud you for trying to build up expertise and sticking to civil service; but you weren’t being painted the same as the rest. You are literally the exception that proves the rule.
This is all good, but does the OBR understand MMT? If it doesn't, then it doesn't understand how the UK monetary system works...
Neither do you if you think taxes don't fund the government and you can print up govt funding
There’s absolutely nothing you or the rest of the panel can say or do , to make me vote Labour. I’m still voting Tory despite what has happened over the past 14 years
I'll ask the question you're fishing for... Why?
I'm with you in that I will never vote Labour again as long as I live, but I can't vote for this shower of shit Tory party either, I'm really angry and frustrated that they have failed us so badly.
Can I ask why not Labour? And if not Labour and if not Tories, then who else?
We are not trying to get you to vote for anyone. Commentary on government failure will of course focus on the Tories because they have been in power for so long. But there are plenty of examples in this conversation where Labour are criticised.
@@AnonyMous-xv4ig if not Tory I will vote reform and if not reform I will spoil my ballot paper, I can never vote Labour after Gordon Brown gave away our Gold at a knock down price or when he gave 80p a week rise to the pensioners, and probably you have forgotten when Gordon Brown raped our pension funds and creamed of billions of pounds they were one of the healthiest pension fund in the world so no I can never forgive the Labour Party
It's ironic that Dunt says everyone is dumb. He says something here and then he's immediately contradicted by the reality and all of you laugh about it so his stupid statement isn't subjected to actual scrutiny.