Responding to the Dream controversy
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Linus probably doesn't even care about Dream, its really funny that Linus is now the controversy computer man
Controversial versus controversy? Which would best fit here?
I hope he doesn't start entertaining the cancel culture. It seems these days the average public person needs to be holier than the pope, if not their whole life should be ruined by some. Even if they apologized.
I didn't even realize there was a whole controversy with Dream. Even now, after it was discussed I could honestly still care less about it. I still enjoyed the video since it was a bunch of computer nerds really having a blast building a server and poking around at its hardware. That is all. Them, much like myself, could give two cares less about Dream. As he's just a one-time thing. So why does it matter so much that Dream is remotely related? They're not advertising them.
@@AnthonyM-wg3fg look at my previous comments (tap my profile picture and then the comment you want to go to)
@@Rem_NL I watched dream apologies video bcz of someordinarygamer, and the only problem I have with dream is that how he handled stan fuck, yes i understand he too doesn't like those shit peeps(stan) but brushing it off like a minority? Bro ya do know how large your stan are right? Don't act like it's only 00000.00000000001 bruh, and do something more effective about it ya making shit ton of bucks so take proper responsibility
Hearing linus not know about any of these controversies makes me realize how chronically online i am.
*aware*
@@chicken29843 Being more aware than someone else is not an addiction.
Most youtubers do their own youtube thing and effectively don't want to then sit around consuming youtube the rest of their free time, unless they're cringe reacters
Your self-awareness spares you from judgement.
@@drink15 being "chronically online" is
I can't wait for the eventual Dankpods collab, where the closest thing to controversy will just be Linus' reaction to the fact that every vid is recorded on an iPhone, and all the audio is recorded on an iPad. Honestly, that entire channel is a testament to the fact that you don't need fancy gear to make a successful channel
They'll need Labs to test headphones properly.
He uses a mac
@@stealthysaucepan2016 yeah lol
Not to mention dudes career requires him to have some technical ability, he ain’t your average 20 year old in their room making quality videos on their iPad
Ooh Dank could play with their headphones tester setup and mess with the stinky ears
God I love dankpods.
With out Dream, we wouldn't have seen Linus' greatest drop of this year.
16TB HDD hurts quite a bit 😂
@@farmingthetnt8081 Exactly.
Me watching him giving the free storage: **insert Smiling Face with Tear Emoji**
Greatest drop of the year TO DATE.
That was indeed legendary
Do a collab with Northernlion! Some of the LMG employees have worn his merch in videos, he is from Vancouver, and could probably use a new PC lol
we need a overkill super auto pets machine
Totally agree with this! Great idea! 😁
Do it!
He's also hilarious for something like this.
Yeah NL is great!
One thing I *really* appreciate about all things Linus is the transparency.
The bot responded twice 💀
@@0AThijs Obviously I am now twice as likely to respond.
@@TheJPomp oh no... 😌
Is it transparency when he keeps lying and saying it “wasn’t about the money”? If it wasn’t about money, he would have cancelled the promotion and returned the parts. He is full of shit and doesn’t want to own it.
@@Boxish Small chance that they did that because of this.
Not trying to start an argument/conversation, I just want to forget about all this btw.
Just to clarify some things from a speedrunner: Dream essentially cheating his luck by increasing the odds so, while he attempted to get the record, the luck he had was astronomically impossible to hit. It would be like hitting the lottery hundreds of times in a row without missing. So, Dream was called out on it by the moderators. He wasn't banned, his run was 'unverified' because they couldn't verify it. He fired back and attacked the moderators calling them liars and clout chasers. This took to them providing all the evidence that they had of Dream cheating. After this, Dream hired an 'expert scientist' to prove that he wasn't cheating. The math however was heavily criticized as being incorrect and made a lot of assumptions, but Dream still attacked the moderators for doing their jobs and sent his legion of ravenous fans to attack them and they got an INSANE amount of hate for calling him a cheater. Then, almost a year later he admitted on his alt Twitter account that he cheated and 'didn't realize it at the time' (which doesn't make sense coming from a professional speedrunner.) that he had mods enabled. He did an apology to his fans and never for his actual actions afterwards of lying and trying to hide it or attacking the moderators. THAT is why people don't like him.
Just to clarify, Dream said that his mod developer didn't inform him until very much later that his mod contain higher odds for blaze drops and ender pearl trades. Which Dream didn't know.
He is young and stupid. Probably should've done more research and maybe stop going on Twitter so much.
But antis aren't to be ignored though. When you have popularity, a lot of people just want to hate you back.
You just can't put Dream into the definite bad guy box. The situation isn't black and white.
@@hoezhiwan Uhhh yeah as a speedrunner the situation is very black and white. He still has never apologized to the mods, his accusations towards them have nothing to do with that mistake, and again: he is a professional Minecrafter and speedran the game for hundreds of hours. He knew you couldn't have those mods PERIOD, even if he thought they didn't do anything. Maybe if he apologized and never tried to send harassment to the mods I'd be more kind, but his actions are horrendous and he still hasn't truly made up for that mistake.
@@DemonicRobots Yes, he handled it poorly and shouldn't have done it. But we all do stupid things when we are young (not a defence for his actions but you get my point), and yes he did apologize to the mods, maybe you missed it or you felt it wasn't genuine enough, but it was good enough for Geosquare and Willz. I can't change your mind but maybe Karl Jobst could? He is a credible guy in the speedrunning community and his video about the situation covered what went on in Dream's mind.
I can understand hating him for what he did to the speedrunning community, creating distrust and making verifying much more difficult. But harbouring resentment is not the best thing in life, especially towards somebody who got into the spotlight a bit too quick and failed to adapt as easily.
@@hoezhiwan Karl Jobst? You mean the racist former pickup artist? Yeah not many of us are a fan. Look, if you check there are a surprising amount of Speedrun RUclipsrs out there that are shitty people. Dream is one of them. I have no obligation to like him or his content because 'everyone makes mistakes' or 'he is a kid'. The ONLY things I've heard was this stuff, finding PewDiePie's seed, bragging about sending his fans to harrass people and make them delete their Twitter accounts, and insensitive jokes. I'm not 'harboring' anything in the same way I don't harbor anger towards people that are asshole celebrities. I just dislike them.
This is just the speedrunning part of why he's not liked. Look up "dream stans" and what they have done.
I feel like the little drama in the tech space is everyone in the tech space has actual skills and talent and doesn't need to throw in drama for clicks. From the channels I watch, you don't have time for drama, it would get in the way of the quality videos you make.
only reason there would be for drama is like a scandal grooming or what haves you
I find that the tech community just doesn't give much of a shit outside of the tech space
@@theunkownviolinist Exactly, only people who doesn't care about tech that would involve themselves with drama
Saying any of these people have talent is a joke
Yes
I would love a video of you going around and talking to each employee for 1 minute :p insane questions only. In the style of a speed run, no cuts, just sprinting through the office
Best idea I've seen in YEARS!
Sprinting through the office, ooo
I love the idea that all the people who aren't off probation yet would be blurred out and voice modulated like they're in witness protection. A nightmare for the editors, but probably a fantastic video.
@@Trithis2077 that would be hilarious
they have done that like a while back,but yeah i think they should do it again
Do a collab with DaknPods, that would be amazing, he a cool guy.
Best part is there’s no way to f it up 😂😂😂
Also they're really close together now, as the garbage stream is the first stream hosted on floatplane !
That would be funny af
He already has a good pc and uses mainly macs
He only uses macOS lol
See, from what I've seen und came to understand is that people aren't angry at dream for the cheating itself, they are angry and because dream vehemently denied it and even made some professor of some uni type up a report on how everything dream did was very probable. It was a diliberate attempt at deceiving the community. Even his "apology" was juts him pointing fingers at others. If you want a better grasp of what went down in a statistics sense as well as the weird write up dream has had made you should go watch matt parkers analysis video
THANK YOU. I couldn't remember who dream is, but I now remember Matt's video.
Didn't that professor prove that it was indeed possible but the chances were so slim it'd basically be a miracle?
@@tropicalfruit4571 AFAIK that wasnt the result of the paper. I'm pretty sure the paper said that it's probable, which sure as hell ain't true. Though I'd have to re-watch the video, can't remember everything. But yeah, what got me riled up was when he admitted to having cheated, but allegedly it wasnt on purpose. He even blamed the dev that made the mod and also his production team (dont quote me on that though, like I said, gotta re-watch the video)
@@tropicalfruit4571 With statistics, anything's possible, but in this case "miracle" is an understatement in all but the most literal sense of the word. Even Dream's questionable response paper gave indefensible odds (and its method for determining those revised odds was itself indefensible). It was to the point it would have been more reasonable to assume his installation had been corrupted by cosmic rays randomly flipping some bits than that he was just that lucky.
I'd also watch Karl Jobst's videos in conjunction with Parker's to get a full picture of the controversy as Karl's explanation for the speedrunning part is fantastic.
I only knew about Dream because of a Matt Parker's (stand up maths) video, and from how the story was laid out in that video I realised that Dream's behaviour wasn't very good, and reading a few comments on that video it seems like a lot of people came to the same conclusion.
I care about speed running in general, not about minecraft though (I mostly follow older games), and while I don't hate (or care) enough to write a comment on that video of yours I just disliked the short (which I saw by chance) and simply didn't watch the main video.
O/T, clearly I am the only one left that uses the subscription tab as the main source to see video.
Overall, it seems likely that he just deadset didn't realise he left his content creation mods and just got absolutely stuck in the mindset that he wasn't in the wrong. Still not the greatest behaviour, but it likely came from a place of ignorance rather than anything else.
@@patrickhector
What a bizarrely absolute response.
No explanation as to how you came to that conclusion. Nothing. Just a, “Chances are it was a mistake, but he still handled it poorly.”
Thanks for that. 😂
@@CaptainClark23 if you are curious about the explanation ruclips.net/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/видео.html
@@CaptainClark23 I mean there are many testimonies, there are people who know him very well, even karl jobst arrived to that conclusion. He is an arrogant egotistical smartass. But when he first said he didn't cheat he deadset didn't know he cheated.
What’s a Matt Parker? Did Matt Stone and Trey Parker finally merge??? 😳
It’s not just that the floatplane community takes it more personally, RUclips also is gonna have Dream fans who aren’t your regular audience inflate the likes numbers
9:11 lmao, the tech community is too busy being angry with so many companies' bullcrap to leave any space for them to make any drama between one another.
I mean, I don't see how any of these collabs make Linus any less credible or any less of an amazing source of info on computers. It is not like he lied about anything.
clearly the part where he has demonstrated for years just how little he cares about this kind of drama is the part he lied about because he cares EVEN LESS than not at all >:(
legit though: I respect his approach about this. This is none of his concern and why the fuck would he care about "oh no minecraft speedrunner cheated"
@@trueMCGRaven From what i could gather this is more than just the cheating scandal. I get the sentiment that not every scandal or bad thing that happened has to influence their decision, but as an extreme example i don't think anyone would want them to do a collab with Amber Heard.
But Linus constantly takes the moral high ground. He constantly criticises people and companies for being immoral, and for the most part he does better. They will ditch sponsors if they are doing poorly, they do over great quality control and service on the products they sell etc. But when you keep collaborating with individuals that you don't bother checking out, who are from a community that is know to have a ton of controversies, and then shrugging it off like it's nothing, that makes him untrustworthy.
People resonate with LTT/Linus because of honesty and principles. But here he is only showing 1 of those things.
Because integrity, respect, dialogue are all principles that the LTT brand pushes for, and aligning with companies and individual that do not reflect those principles makes their own community question their commitment.
@Kevin Ruiz So you are like Linus, you don't even check his wikipedia. Maybe don't argue something if you can't be bothered to do 1 simple search.
Tl;dr for Dream:
He's a creator who's been consistently irresponsible with how he's handled his massive following, by doing everything but actively supporting his fans harassing, brigading, and doxxing other individuals. At the same time, he strongly promotes a parasocial relationship with his young fans that results in an almost obsessive following.
However it's important to say it doesn't appear to come from a place of malice: as Riley said, he's just way too immature and unready to handle his massive platform and forgets his petty actions can send thousands of fans on a warpath.
Two big "controversies":
1.He achieved high-profile speedrun record while using a mod that massively reduces RNG of runs. When called out, started a smear campaign against the moderators of the speedrun category, straight up lied, did nothing to stop the crazy amount of fans harassing the mods thanked/retweeted them instead, and then finally admitted he cheated with half-ass apology.
2. High profile case of a kid getting heavily harassed and doxxed by his community, resulting in them deleting all their social media and disappearing off internet. Rather than responding, Dream turns into edgelord (like literally says its time for his evil arc), posts smug comments about making people who argue with him delete their accounts and seemingly supporting the actions of his community.
he also:
1. said he was going to donate every single dollar he earned during pride month, and then only streamed once on the last day because someone made a post on LSF calling him out on the last day.
2. claimed being doxxed is "not even worth worrying about" because the chances of anything happening to you are "astronomically small" (which is ironic coming from dream, considering he's talking about the odds of something happening lmao)
@@FishieUwU for your first point it's even worse cuz he DID stream but he did it with donations off
Weird people complain about everything . Just don’t watch him if u don’t enjoy the content. I know I’ve never even clicked on one of his videos
@@OKayD3N That's not a valid point when everything he does can affect the rest of the community with how big of a community he has. Not saying Dream is THE bad guy, but criticism is important.
@@FishieUwU 1) for your first point, this is his exact donation, I copied words for words through his twitter: (you can copy it and search it for proof)
*This month with 2 streams and 3 Twitter/Discord podcasts we were able to raise $20,000 in subs, $60,000 in donations, and over $10,000 in ads from streaming.*
*Totaling $90,000! Plus the promised contribution from the dteam of $50,000. $140,000 is all going to an LGBTQIA+ charity!*
May I add he donated another 10k and another Dream team donation 50k this year.
2) For your second point, after that he still said of course it's still terrible but from him personally experience it, and even getting constantly harassed by it.. he is still doing well. It's just to ease who ever got doxx but you still need to be cautious, of course (note that the only one who got doxx in that situation is Dream. The person he respond to never got doxx)
*
I used to be a hater of his really, but the amount of misinformatios and hate is just ridiculous high. His mental health also declined at some point and he mentioned if he thinks of the hates more, he will just break.
Also got false allegations of grooming lately, which people just ate it up with no real evidence (it's proven wrong). Let me tell you, stans can be annoying but his haters are just fuced up in the head. Like come one his b'day tweet even got tons of death threats.
All I'm asking for is stop spreading hate, and misinformatios. Like give your criticism but at least do your research.. it's disappointing to say the least. One is getting likes, and one is getting unnecessary hate
why did people dislike the twomad collab? it was so funny lol
because people are perpetually offended
Dude is so cringe I couldn't watch much of the video. And I had (and still have) no clue who twomad is
alot of people probably didnt like it because it had twomad in and didnt actaully watch it
@@noahosborne6454 So they didn't like it but didn't actually watch it sums up the past 5 years i guess
@@songogu9 try watchin something from his channel, he was probably awkward because he was interacting with linus, he gives a lot less of a fuck in his own videos and is actually funny, but it's very peculiar humor, you're probably not gonna like him since you got that wrong first impression
I keep forgetting that even though Linus is a tech man chasing the future, he is only on the cutting edge of Tech, in hobbies and internet trend-wise (non tech) he is way closer to a boomer
As someone the same age as Linus, I'm offended. We're not boomers.
@@ZesPak if you read what the comment said you would see that this wasn't a discussion about age.
That makes no sense.
@@DOTABaddie Except it does he uses cutting edge hardware but he’s out of touch with social media and other such things
Got it, millennials that pioneered the cool tech you are so used to have to keep in touch with the Zoomer social media nonsense or be boomers. Makes perfect sense
Achievement unlocked Acquired hardware 2:37
Good, I wasn't the only one.
The server build itself was cool. My favorite part was Linus dropping the expensive hard drive on the floor.
Honestly I didn't even know who Dream even was, I've seen his logo? in meme posts and because of that knew he was a controversial figure but frankly didn't care.
I'd seen his logo and thought it was a joke because it's so amateurish. I genuinely thought Dream was just some meme character the internet had generated and imagine my surprise when he's actually a popular RUclipsr. Could've told me it was a Strong Bad joke and I'd have believed it
Cant wait to see Linus help Sam Hyde upgrade Stormfront’s servers.
Somehow that would be equally as bad as the socialist one he did lol
@Narja Well considering Hasan promotes an ideology that's resulted in the deaths of far more people than that other evil German ideology, I'd say it was really wrong for him to associate with him.
We need a colab with DankPods
I hear Kim Jong-un is in the market for a new PC... might want to slide into his DMs, Linus. 😆
I think people's world revolves around RUclips too much
@@siddhantdeepful That's nice... What does that have to do with anything?
@@Cimlite People freaked out about Linus being vaguely associated with Dream as if it was the end of the world.
From the reactions you'd think Dream had been casually committing genocide as a side gig.
@@_Piers_ Ah, I guess... that's not something I've been following. But still, that's more a problem of people being fanboys than it is one of RUclips specifically.
Are you equating Dream with Kim?
I love the twomad collab so much, the chaotic energy is 🤌
Wondering why it was so hated. Was he just being annoying and ppl dont like him? lol
@@nicholasdavidson1191 yes😂, all the collab he did was with people that have alot of haters
I didn't even know who twomad was. I just liked the video for that reason.
@@nicholasdavidson1191 most likely the kpop fans lmao
Honestly I don't mind Linus occasionally doing build with a slightly more controversial person since they're funny. It's clear Linus/LTT isn't actually taking sides
Cheating in speed running is the same as using doping in sports, you 'destroy' so much of others time and effort to try and compete with the results from a cheater. Nobody remember the runner-ups just the winner in most cases. And if the winner was cheating......
It's not just about the cheating, but his attitude about it. He littérally quintuple down on the fact he's not cheating, even hiring that bogus Harvard mathematician thingy
Had he, like two days after said "oh yeah shit I had a mod, I didn't checked it my bad, won't happen again, gonna donate some money to agdq" or something it woulda been fine
I agree. Cheating deprives the honest people of credit for the hard work they did going for goal. Something that could have even been a breakout moment for them as a creator or in the speed running space. Maybe even somebody gives up on the goal when the "leader" on the board is so far ahead. When it turns out they didn't earn that spot at all.
Cheating is an issue in every sport and nobody should just shrug off that cheating as nothing.
🗿 He didn't even get top 1k though lmao
And much like sports, only the fanatics really care.
@@beaurunn1 I knew about the cheating thing, but with how crazy people were going in the comments I assumed there must have been something else really bad.
I did some Googling, but it really seems like people are making mountains out of mole hills.
to be fair i never watch those videos because of who your making it for im always just interested in the tech
And people wonder why I avoid communities.. This sorta stuff is everywhere. Too much drama and nonsense everywhere, people have too much free-time and energy
With dislikes you can't really compare it with pre dislike deletion because people are thinking that it no longer does anything like the dislikes on the comments.
With the amount of collaborations you guys are doing with creators, and the amount of videos Mr.Beast is doing with creators, I wouldn't be surprised if you guys end up doing something together. In fact I'm hopping you do!
With the RUclips interface it looks like it has a list of date ranges from the initial publish date that you can click on. You don't have to enter a date manually... Unless I'm just dumb
OMG did Linus just say "we already like acquired hardware"
*ACQUIRED HARDWARE*, minecraft
Linus just made the best joke of all time without even knowing it
Lmao Linus is way out of touch with the changes to reddit's moderating. Everything gets locked these days because "undermoderated" subs get outright banned. Can't have shit anymore smh
If you want to get to the bottom of the Dream minecraft controversy you should take a look at Karl Jobst's video covering it. It's the most in depth investigation into the whole thing.
A million dollar extreme themed pc would be wicked
What was the 2mad controversy about? I thought that went smoothly
If I remember correctly he got on the video because they were looking for established streamers that could use an upgrade (bear in mind that this was during the GPU shortage too) and when they had finished his brand new 3700X / 2080 machine Linus asked what specs his old machine was and he promptly said i9/2080TI..
Linus should do a someordinarygamers collab, especially since they're both Canadian.
2:43 "Acquired Hardware"
My man mentioned a minecraft achievement without even knowing
One thing that needs to be considered is that, at least in my experience I personally do not use the dislike button anymore after the amount of dislikes were hidden. So pre-dislike counter removal and post could translate to differing results.
You still should.
I'll be frank. I forgot who Dream was. Then, brought up about the Minecraft Speedrun scandal. Then, I remembered. I shrugged my shoulders. If he like kicked puppies or whatever. Then, I'd have issues with but being butthurt over a speedrun of a game that you likely don't even play or even do speedrunning in general. Yeah. Need help.
I think the larger problem isn't the speedrun but the weaponised fanbase and the mass harassment that resulted from that, but then I can't actually judge how much influence he had on that, or whether that's just a side effect of having young dumb fans.
The main issue wasn't Dream cheating. The issue is that he basically setup a harassment campaign against the mod team for banning him for cheating. Sicking his crazy fans on them. He maintained this for almost a year, all over a speedrun.
Knowing people's hatred of Dream I was really surprised when I saw that video. Personally I really do not care for drama and so I don't know anything about Dream except the speedrunning controversy, but I've kept hearing off-handed snide comments here and there, so... yeah.
I do not like Dream for a lot of reasons. He's a cheater. He's claimed to donate for pride and did it last minute on an alt to avoid getting donations. His fan base is stupid.
It's a lot worse than you think if you look a bit more into it.
@@C4CH3S It's not though. No one can control someone else (The Fanbase) So he had no power over any of those werid and hateful people
@@Matthewboi520 he absolutely has power over them. Instead he decided to do nothing instead of actually explicitly asking for it to stop. Not only that, he then joined the hate train recently by arguing with people on Twitter (which got them doxxed by the trash troupe that are his fans) do you see other similar RUclipsr fans doxxing people and being ass holes like with dream? I've only ever seen it this bad with him. he decided to not condemn the actions and just say "I'm powerless" bullshit. He clearly isn't prepared for that amount of fame
@@C4CH3S He literally is powerless Do you not understand how crazy people are? Have you clearly not paid attention to any history class? Are you too young and immature to release Once hate starts it keeps flowing no matter what??? People will hate anyone no matter what, people will do anything to defame, lie and spread rumors about someone. Literally you CAN NOT CONTROL THE FUCKING PEOPLE.
16:30 Thats gonna be a legendary colab
Yes, Indeed!
The twomad collab was great
I don’t think what Dream did was the issue, just how he handled the situation. You could argue he didn’t intend his fans to harass others, but he also did make tweets that were provoking them. I think he just doesn’t know how to manage his huge audience considering how quickly he’s exploded in popularity.
He has consistently wielded his fan base, especially the more rabid parts of it, against people he doesn't like or that are critical of him. In fact, he has stated on multiple occasions he enjoys seeing his fans do this to people. Most recent one I can remember was a fan criticizing him for queer baiting, and he singled them out and attacked them which lead to his stans doxxing and threating this teenager. Heard from other people that have collabed with him that offline he's a cool dude, but he's absolutely awful and irresponsible with his power
@@rnglillian8081 to make it very clear the person he responded to said he was queerbaiting for his audience on a tweet where dream was talking about his sexuality that is not criticism. Dream responded to them and they went private. They were not doxxed at all and then they started to spread dreams dox around.
Every big creator is polarizing, regardless of any merit to their criticisms. You just make good machine and have fun
Some more than other. Take for instance MrBeast, I don't think there's much controversy about him outside of "But he spends money and that's bad"
I loved the 2mad colab, I had never heard of him before, but watching linus interact with the 'youth' is always fun. reminded me of the videos with madison.
It was so awkward, it was really fun to watch. Toemad is an absolute demon, and it was fun to watch him almost censor himself a bit on Linus's vid.
At least Linus has hit the whole spectrum of people
1:11 That's one hell of a URL typo 🤣🤣🤣
Definitely on purpose
16:21
I think a lot of tweeter users should follow these words
Next LTT: Linus Builds a Custom PC for QuantumTV
He’s based
what is the controversy for twomad and hasanabi? I can't find anything online.
As far as I can tell, people thought Twomad was annoying and he already had a good PC. If there's more I haven't seen it.
As for Hasan I guess it's just politics.
🤷♀️
Easiest way for this to never happen is do your due diligence and look into who you're collaborating with, like how you mentioned you want to start checking your sponsors for bad behavior
You know, this doesn't even supprise me at this point. I think the video was great, and that dream, while not the best human on the planet, is just another human lol. I think your stance about not glorifying the creators you do builds for is a super great way to put it as well! Tbh, I could have watched that video and never even realized that it was about dream (except for the couple mentions). It was a neat server build as well lol. Though in fairness, dream was the dude that said doxxing a small twitter account was ok because they didn't matter xD
That's not what he said he said that if you have a small following and have been doxxed it is very unlikely for something to happen to you in real life he didnt say it's okay and doesnt matter
@@divax0x060 Ah, mb, couldn’t quite find his exact wording, but either way its a pretty crap thing to say still? especially with his fanbase being known for attacking people?
@@builderdev212 I agree he shouldn't have said it at all even though he ment well. And his fanbase for the most part defends dream and doesnt attack people just cause they said they dont like him.
Also the majority of the doxxing claims are fake (the only real on is dreams) but people have lied and spread so much misinformation that everyone thinks they dox people.
@@divax0x060 For sure, the majority of them are just normal people, with the select few being the ones that show up as the entire face lol
I thought he said all of that in response to someone who was doxxed though?
@@builderdev212 he thought they where cause everyone was saying that on Twitter they confirmed they weren't after that.
Linus missing the "first 24 hours" chunk of text at the top of the date-range drop down is kinda funny, ngl
I love your collab videos.
You could build a computer for the devil himself and I wouldn't care lmao. Building for controversial creators makes for entertaining videos especially when you roast them the whole time.
It would not really consider it a Collab. You are a service provider which made a video about it so who cares as long as you got paid. Nobody would have cared if a specialised company would have done it so why care about you doing it.
Thanks to the Dream Machine video, we got to see Linus drop a 16 TB HDD.
Twomad Collab video is the most re-watch able video on this channel. Bring him back if you cann
Honestly the drama pit goes so far down and it's really not worth it basically every time. Turns out people are people and sometimes people do stupid shit.
Pretty much everything I know about drama has been against my will
I googled to try to find out what people were mad about other than the cheating.
Seemingly the answer is everything, they're mad about everything.
You'd think he'd been out committing hate crimes and genocide by the way a lot of people reacted.
9:00 Tech YTs keeps it pretty clean oh wait Verge still exist.
Time to do a build for Jreg!
I don't even know who Dream is, I'd heard about a person using mods in Minecraft speed running but I cared so little about who it was (since their stuff would obviously be taken off the leader boards) that I never paid attention to who it was specifically.
i dont care about the drama its all about the build for me and also watching you drop HDD's :)
You just don't care.
@@verbose2615 ill be honest, any person who has any interest in tech and stuff and is involved in the community. probably doesnt care.
mostly the outsiders who infulence this stuff
@@notcapnbloodbeard anyone with worthwhile interest should care, otherwise they are just another part of the problem, corruption only helps the corrupt
@@verbose2615 wtf are u takking about corruption in no way related to a RUclips video
@@notcapnbloodbeard No, of course not, nothing at all like that on this channel... certainly not the $5000 intel upgrades for staff, or the Linus/Dream bollocks #muppet
The callmekris will hopefully not be controversial at all
what ever happened to the spiffing brit colab?
In all honestly i truly dont understand why there are any controversy in regards to Dream paying for a server build. There is no relation to any minecraft. Nor was Dream in some sort of legal issue, or is a convicted criminal for a heinous crime. People like to judge others way too much, in the court of public opinion.
To be honest i am not really into the minecraft speedrunning community, nor do i have ever played minecraft, i know what the game is like from watching videos of it. Since the controversy was regarding the world seed, i wonder do minecraft speedrunners use the same seed or is it randomized, if random then they are technically speedrunning a different minecraft game, and are just running solo marathons instead of competing with anyone else. The stage should be as equal as possible, so the seed should be the same across all attempts, since the seed is one element that can be fixed. Only then would they be running against someone else attempting a speedrun. If the seed is different then the speed run is not valid. At least in my opinion, because its like having two 100m runners, one on a slope and another on a climb, obviously the guy running on a slope would have an easier time compared to the guy running uphill.
So, this is so so so so so so so so wrong. 1) There are two categories, Set Seed and Random Seed. Set seed is what you said, where everyone plays the same exact Minecraft map. The category he was doing though was Random Seed, meaning it is supposed to be random everytime. And yes, the randonmess means that someone can get a good seed or a bad seed and that happens. That wasn't the issue. The issue was it WASN'T random. He changed the values so his seeds were ALWAYS good and in his favor to the point where they were so good it was mathematically impossible. It was like he was hitting the lottery over a hundred times in a row and winning the jackpot each time. It cannot be done. That was him cheating. Using your example, it is like if one of the 100m runners was using steroids. That gives him an obvious, unfair advantage. 2) The main issue was his response. When he was caught Dream wasn't banned, their run was simply removed. His response was EXPLOSIVE and he not only attacked the moderators, he had his fans attack them as well. Then they provided their proof, and he hired a 'scientist' that lied and made poor assumptions to prove his innocence that was proven wrong by actual mathematicians. Then a year later he admitted he cheated and caused all these problems and hate for nothing, and his 'apology' wasn't even to the mods, it was to his 'fans for dissapointing' them. So yeah, as a speedrunner I think I'm judging him fairly when he does terrible things like this.
@@DemonicRobots Hmm. Yes i suppose if he was competing in the ''random'' seed category then he would be cheating by not using a randomized seed. Unless his ''good'' seed was actually randomized, then he is technically still using a random seed, just adjusted to favor certain rules. Like 2 100m runners on the same track, but one track is dry while the other track is wet. The legit runners run on the wet track, while the cheater had dried out his lane before the race.
Overall tho, as someone who is not invested in the scene, but respects anyone who does their best in what they do, i do consider him an asshole for cheating by going around the rules, or not. Still doesnt make him ordering a server from LTT a bad thing, nor does it make LTT bad by proxy for building him a server that he paid for.
AS i mention, he is not someone in the legal process, legally convicted of a violent crime, a sex offender, etc various other vile crimes. Did he stab someone? No. Did he kill someone? No.
Did he cheat in a game and lied about it, until he finally admitted to it? Yes. He is like that one guy from years ago who cheated and lied for countless years about getting the world record at some arcade game.
@@aquaventus Okay, yes? He didn't murder anyone, sure. And I don't blame LTT but they didn't do their due diligence and even they admitted that. But yeah, at the end of the day (other than doxxing) he hasn't done anything illegal or 'truly' morally wrong, but that doesn't mean he is immune to criticism and we should move on. He has made his career and millions of dollars off of Minecraft speedrunning, so in the same way that an athlete is caught doping, there should be consequences for his actions but because he is famous, he gets away with it. And me calling him out is a minority for that. Just because he didn't murder anyone doesn't mean we can't vehemently dislike him, especially as a speedrunner myself.
@@DemonicRobots Like i said, his case is similar to that guy from decades ago who faked his world record score for years until he was exposed and his record deleted. Have no idea what he is doing now, probably irrelevant. He made a lot of money from his fake record, and appeared on many places too. Still irrelevant today.
I dont even know who Dream is before i read the comment section on the server build video, so i dont know why anyone would consider him famous, maybe in a small group he is, but in the wider world he is just a random minecraft youtuber.
I agree that we can hate him for being immoral in his actions. Hopefully he flips over a new leaf and do something else, like what logan paul did by faking some boxing matches. Just because they didnt kill anyone doesnt make their crime any less important.
In the end, the consequence for his actions would and should be anger and hate from his general community, which i think is the minecraft speedrunning community, and the speedrunning community as a whole. Maybe ignore or reject any of his attempts to submit any speedrun score for several years. You cant block him from doing a speedrun, you can however reject his numbers. You cant deny him from playing the game either, thats on Microsoft.
I don’t really care who you build computers for as long as you make it entertaining. I loved the build you did for the political guy because you made it so funny, not because I support or like that guy.
It was so over the top it was just political shitposting rather than actual politics, and that's ok
I scrunched my nose when I saw the dream thumbnail on the server vid but I figured, it's just a really popular RUclipsr lol
Same reaction to pewdiepie
I want more controversial collabs
I mean if they pay for every single thing including the time at an industry rate I don't give a shit. I just don't like it when they get special treatment and free stuff when there are much more deserving people.
@Skull Reaper Matt Walsh, "What is a Woman" edition gaming PC.
@@fyrhtu81 Bruh they gotta do it
@@ghosthunter0950 Celebrities always get free stuff, that's just how it is.
I come here to see computer stuff and computer stuff I get. Don’t really care who they collaborate with, I still get that LTT quality video. With laughs and computers.
Me: (as someone who didn't know who Dream was because I don't watch Minecraft content on RUclips....) *shrug* Meh. Linus building PC +1
I disliked the fact that they made a computer for him, especially that he's not a figure who would even go to build it with them. But it doesn't annoy me enough to rant on it or dislike the video
best take
I do not like Dream for a lot of reasons. He's a cheater. He's claimed to donate for pride and did it last minute on an alt to avoid getting donations. His fan base is stupid.
Pretty much my opinion too. Don't like Dream, but the video itself was decent.
@@sladehunter donate for pride? I dont understand that portion.
@@bthegawd8113 basically he said he would host a charity stream and any donations he would get would go directly to LGBT charities to celebrate pride month. He decided to wait until the last minute and used an account with way less attention to circumvent getting donations. He basically just pulled a PR stunt and made it Harder for people to donate.
I don’t think Linus realizes the “Dream Stans” heavily skewed the like/dislike.
Nobody gonna mention the typo in the URL at 1:12?
you guys should do a Kurzgesagt collab, their content is educational and tbh the overall build and theme choice could be super cool
Only now have I realised I needed something without knowing I needed it
I'm pretty sure they were in drama a couple of years ago as well. I faintly recall something about them stealing another creator's idea or something.
@@owainjones74 Theres been stuff before about misinformation/misrepresentation/political stuff, but given that they are human and make mistakes on production I'm not bothered about it.
They're a company with 50+ employees funded by German public broadcasting... they're not exactly strapped for hardware.
@@ReptilianLepton yeah the question would be "computer for whom" or for what. Like maybe a petabyte or larger server but thats it
Sam Hyde collab confirmed? Great, i'd watch that
Yes please
Yes please
More builds for staff. Those always go well 👍
So its acceptable for linus not to do basic business etiquette and rudimentary checking?
twomad video was amazing.... I'm going to go back and watch that one lol
I like how of all the things Linus has said or done over the years, people chose “collabing with guy who kinda cheated in MC speed running” as the hill they wanna die on.
People are wack I don't like dream but enjoyed the video
He's done alot more and has fostered and encouraged a very unhealthy parasocial fan community that consistently harass and doxxes random people that criticize him. He has also made public Twitter posts saying that he gets joy out of watching his community do this to people.
Tho I don't blame Linus or anyone else who has done a collab with him.
The main issue is that he likes to use his rabid fan base to harass other people. He spent like a year telling his fans that the mod team that banned him is just trying to use his name, out to get him, hate him and so on. And then surprise surprise, his fans kept harassing them for doing their job. The dude went to crazy lengths just to maintain some stupid clout with his speedrun.
So you are right, people shouldn't care that much about cheating a speedrun.
With the dream thing - there's a great video the MODS of the speedrunning site did, which goes into the outstandingly low odds of runs of his luck are occurring. Regardless of what Dream claims ("I delete my mods folder weekly" like what??), it just uses the hard video evidence that he himself submits for runs. Ex: trading gold to zombie pigmen, will SOMETIMES drop an item, and SOMETIMES drops a very certain item(s) needed. It was found that his good rolls were happening some wild number of times more than expected. A huge figure that I'm not even gonna try to ballpark.
Not doing due diligence is suddenly spinned as a perk huh
Its just a computer, not like you had a recurring deal going on with him. Dream may be shitty but afaik it was business between you two
So my 2cents, but creators like smartereveryday, ijustine, corrider etc. I would buy that you guys might watch them. I recognize that you and luke probably don't watch a ton of youtube anymore but I don't believe for a minute that you guys watch Dream so it feels a bit inauthentic and it feels a bit like you're just looking at big creators, doing some cost benefit analysis on the collab and basing your decisions off of that.
It would be more well received if you looked at creators that you guys are fans of and made an effort to work with them. Luke has mentioned watching thespiffingbrit a few times and that seems like a perfect opportunity that would be well received.
Spiffing brit perfectly balanced edition PC
It has to have a boiling vessel in it. I will take no questions
They said Dream approached them for the build, so It's not like they went out of their way to collab with him.
Collaboration with DIY Perks would be interesting
I tend to leave a comment rather than a dislike on videos I disagree with if I like the channel because I have no idea how the algorithm serves up recommendations and I don't want to have fewer videos from channels I like in my recommended.
Personally I'd want an LMG and Demo Ranch server collab (Matt definitely needs one and preferably one that is bullet proof lol) cause then they could talk house renovations and tech and hitting above 10 million subs.
Build a PC for MoistCr1TiKaL (aka Penguinz0), and the internet will love you.
The Right Opinion had pointed out Dream needs to learn how to manage his relationship with his platforms and his stans. In my opinion, Dream could do better but it might just be it is his pattern for his own personal development, and changing it would make him very uncomfortable to be sure.
I wonder if Putin is looking for a new PC
Dream told his friend straight up that he didn't care about the pornographic drawings being made of his underage friends/employees. The community makes this material while knowing that dream said "it's the internet"
EDIT: when I say "friend" I mean the victim of this material.
Then is internet problem for being too fucking sick.
@@extreme123dz yes but Dream made the choice to publicly state that he couldn't do anything because of how the internet works.
The problem with this is that he chose to not take any action at all. He had the opportunity to say that it wasn't okay with him.
He publicly admitted that there is nothing that he can do. I and everyone else knows this but at least we know to at least state that it isn't okay.
I do not like Dream for a lot of reasons. He's a cheater. He's claimed to donate for pride and did it last minute on an alt to avoid getting donations. His fan base is stupid.
not much he couldve done anyway
@@BooleanDev he could have at least acknowledged that while still saying stop. His own employee came out and told them to stop, and when they wouldn't he had to go beg Dream to for him.
There's a difference between trying and not. Never be discouraged when speaking for yourself.
Here's the solution: do the barest research into who youre going to collaborate with for a video. Ask the social media management "hey, would making a video about this creator cause more headaches?" You admit that you don't do a ton of research for these collaborations? Cool. Do some research before you commit to a project, ask the Floatplane/Fourm community about creators you're looking at working with. You have a team of people who work as writers and producers, and doing these consistent "oopsies" (the builds, gpu mining videos, etc) reflect incredibly poorly on you all as creators.
I get it, you're a business and collaborating with larger channels helps drive engagement, but when you have had these issues of not doing research before making a video about a subject continue to crop up and the response is just "oops, sorry, we will try not to do it again, but I would do it again" like you said in the clip, it cheapens the idea that you are actually listening to the community in these kinds of things.
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@@randomstuff508 Sorry that I'm asking the funny RUclips man to stop excusing decisions that upset the community with "oops sorry we didn't do any research" when they are spending 8 figures to build a research lab.
If you're willing to do that but not willing to do a quick Google search or asking your community about who you plan to work with (especially when this is nowhere near the first time "not researching" has caused a controversy for LTT), forgive me for being skeptical about the sincerity of this response
@@Robin0928 Cry
2:15 I don't consider using a special seed in Minecraft cheating. Unless there is a rule specifically banning it in the contest, or he said that it was a completely random seed.
2:11 The special seed I wouldn't think would be a big deal, but using a special mod without disclosing it was a modded Minecraft, THAT'S BAD. So another words he cheated.
I don't blame ya for doing the build. Someone just threw the money for it and asked you to build and you being well Linus seeing an excuse to build another server goes for it
Honestly, I only care about the dropped hard drive
At least he didn't break the SSD when he took it apart... they're $8k each!
5:39 I think I'd rather key in the values because it's more paresis.
at 2:37 I refuse to believe he said a minecraft achievement on accident