Couple of problems with ROP's version. Visual/audio cues suggest the village is half the distance of Pompeii to Vesuvius (~2.3 miles vs Pompeii's 5 miles). Speed of sound (10-11s at 469mph at 68 F) and the height of the mountain (4500 feet) as seen from the village clearly show that village is close to the volcano. Doesn't jive with the map shown; water from village to Mt Doom would be either be over 500 mph (assuming 2.34 miles) or above hypersonic (assuming 140km).
Also, assuming the village is at sea level (which it probably is far too low as it is "within sight" of Ostirith in the Ephel Dúath), the adiabatic lapse rate from 20 ℃ to any sub-freezing temperature at Orodruin's summit (4,500 ft) would be at a minimum 14.58 ℃ / km which is nearly 50% faster than the Earth dry adiabatic lapse rate of 14.58 ℃ / km. Add to that my note on the village's altitude and the fact the show depicts an ice cap extending hundreds of metres below the summit (reducing the input to the denominator at both limits), and the lapse rates increase even further.
Some problems with the eruption scne is: Firstly, the falling water into the magma would only cause an eruption in this cave, which is somewhere on the flanks of Orodruin, since otherwise the water couldn´t fall into it from a hole straight from above, this however would not lead to an eruption of the whole volcano like shown. Secondly, if the cloud is hot enough to burn down the southlands, then all the ppl in Tirharad are dead. (Which we know they aren´t, because the showwriters can´t be bothered to think even once about the consequences of the cool stuff they write in to the show.)
In the appendices on the 2nd Age in the Return of the King (pp. 185-186), we have a pretty straightforward timeline: 1000 - Sauron comes to Mordor. 1600 - Sauron makes the One Ring. 3429 - Sauron attacks Gondor. We are told in The Silmarillion (pp. 303, 316), that when he attacked Gondor, “the fires of the Mountain were wakened again”. This is the first time in the books we are told Mount Doom erupted, but the fact that it happened “again” suggests this wasn’t the first time. My guess is that Sauron awakened the mountain when he first moved into Mordor sometime after SA 1000.
@@zer0102 Oh, I thought you meant the actual rings, lol. I think the showrunners have been clear that they have compressed the timeline to fit all of the 2nd age events into one show. For example, Isildur is born in S.A. 3209 over two thousand years after Sauron's coming to Mordor, but he is already in the show. My guess would be closer to 3200 and they are moving major events to later in the 2nd age. The real answer is the timeline has been thrown almost completely out the window when you are compressing thousands of years, lol.
0:25 That is the first time the books mention the mountain erupting, but notice it says the mountain "wakened again". I was trying to guess when it's first eruption was.
@@TolkienAnswers nice, but you said sauron and mount doom have a relationship, which mean every time mount doom active it mean sauron have a power and returned to morgoth?!
Did you guys like how Mount Doom was depicted in Rings of Power ep. 6? Let's talk about it.
I enjoyed your video man! Also, yes I liked how they did it in episode 6. My favorite part. But it would of been better as sauron I agree.
Thanks Voice of the Rings!
Episode 6 of The Rings of Power
Couple of problems with ROP's version. Visual/audio cues suggest the village is half the distance of Pompeii to Vesuvius (~2.3 miles vs Pompeii's 5 miles). Speed of sound (10-11s at 469mph at 68 F) and the height of the mountain (4500 feet) as seen from the village clearly show that village is close to the volcano. Doesn't jive with the map shown; water from village to Mt Doom would be either be over 500 mph (assuming 2.34 miles) or above hypersonic (assuming 140km).
I didn't get into all the measurements you did, lol. But just looking at the map, I definitely felt like the volcano should have been further away.
Also, assuming the village is at sea level (which it probably is far too low as it is "within sight" of Ostirith in the Ephel Dúath), the adiabatic lapse rate from 20 ℃ to any sub-freezing temperature at Orodruin's summit (4,500 ft) would be at a minimum 14.58 ℃ / km which is nearly 50% faster than the Earth dry adiabatic lapse rate of 14.58 ℃ / km.
Add to that my note on the village's altitude and the fact the show depicts an ice cap extending hundreds of metres below the summit (reducing the input to the denominator at both limits), and the lapse rates increase even further.
Some problems with the eruption scne is: Firstly, the falling water into the magma would only cause an eruption in this cave, which is somewhere on the flanks of Orodruin, since otherwise the water couldn´t fall into it from a hole straight from above, this however would not lead to an eruption of the whole volcano like shown.
Secondly, if the cloud is hot enough to burn down the southlands, then all the ppl in Tirharad are dead. (Which we know they aren´t, because the showwriters can´t be bothered to think even once about the consequences of the cool stuff they write in to the show.)
Yes, everyone should probably be dead, but we know they are not.
I have a feeling Sauron is ultimately responsible for this though.
I hope so
It erupted when Indian food was introduced to middle earth
I searched for rings of power in which year many said between 1500 and 1701 we know in a second age.
What is your theory?
In the appendices on the 2nd Age in the Return of the King (pp. 185-186), we have a pretty straightforward timeline:
1000 - Sauron comes to Mordor.
1600 - Sauron makes the One Ring.
3429 - Sauron attacks Gondor.
We are told in The Silmarillion (pp. 303, 316), that when he attacked Gondor, “the fires of the Mountain were wakened again”. This is the first time in the books we are told Mount Doom erupted, but the fact that it happened “again” suggests this wasn’t the first time. My guess is that Sauron awakened the mountain when he first moved into Mordor sometime after SA 1000.
@@TolkienAnswers it mean ep 6 around s.a 1000
@@zer0102 Oh, I thought you meant the actual rings, lol. I think the showrunners have been clear that they have compressed the timeline to fit all of the 2nd age events into one show. For example, Isildur is born in S.A. 3209 over two thousand years after Sauron's coming to Mordor, but he is already in the show. My guess would be closer to 3200 and they are moving major events to later in the 2nd age. The real answer is the timeline has been thrown almost completely out the window when you are compressing thousands of years, lol.
Thanks bro, but I searched in Tolkien getaway and other wikes I found first eruption in S.A 3429.
0:25 That is the first time the books mention the mountain erupting, but notice it says the mountain "wakened again". I was trying to guess when it's first eruption was.
@@TolkienAnswers nice, but you said sauron and mount doom have a relationship, which mean every time mount doom active it mean sauron have a power and returned to morgoth?!
you do realize that adar can be sauron?
It is possible still, but I really think he is a new character, being a first-gen. uruk.