Just wanted to apologise to my members for the credits list being incomplete! - I've only just realised that half the names I entered did not get rendered! - I'll have it sorted for next time :-) Clear skies!
Thank you for this video. Since I use an OSC camera, I’ve often wondered whether or not I should begin to “upgrade” to mono imaging. Now, after viewing your video, even thought the colors of Chloe’s mono image are more appealing, I see that there’s no urgency to abandon my continued OCS use since the difference is rather subjective. As is evident to all of us who image, this is an expensive hobby. There’s always the temptation to jump to the bigger, more expensive astro-toy, but your video goes a long way in helping us make those decisions. Once again, your content is amazingly relevant. Do keep up the great work.
Thank you very much indeed Joe! - I always appreciate hearing your perspective on things my friend, I absolutely fell prey to the temptation to spend more and more early on in this hobby, and in doing so nearly killed it for myself! - These days I favour using a super quality scope with a OSC camera best of all in terms of enjoyment, that's where my fun comes from! :-) Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment Joe!
Hey Luke and Chloe! They both came out really well. Can definitely see a difference, but not surprising considering how vastly different the capture hardware is! The Rasa definitely is a lot brighter and a deeper red, but the wee camera did well. The mono setup has more colour depth although looks a little washed - maybe just a subtle variance due to slightly different processing. I would be happy with either, but overall think the mono took the win this time. 😀 Although the Rasa clouds do look better.
Agreed Dave!! - You make some great points bud, thank you for stopping by and giving your thoughts! :-D I think I may try a lower gain on the osc/rasa next time, investigate using it that way 👍👍 Clear skies buddy!
Hi Luke and Chloe, those two images are stunning. If I had to pick a winner it would be the refractor/mono set up pipping the RASA with what I see as higher definition,it would be interesting to see what the Esprit could pull out using the Player One camera sometime in the future.A great image with the Player One camera again considering it’s sold as a planetary camera.BTW I would love to see some more of your processing videos in the future, Clear skies.
Thank you so much Jon! - I prefer the esprit image slightly too, but there's not much in it for me! both have good and bad points in my opinion! :-) I'll have a good think about what I could make a processing video about, I'm considering perhaps a comparison between noiseXterminator and Topaz maybe too! All the best :-) Luke
Excellent video. Seems to me it does a good enough job that I will never get around to shooting with a slow mono rig. Thanks for justifying my RASA/OSC combo!
Luke, Chloe. This is a really good comparison of 2 totally different Astro setups. The results are interesting and whilst it can be all down to personal preference at the end, it just shows what can be achieved with different budgets. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Tom!! - I really do love using OSC, it's always a pleasure to process it and figure out what's waiting inside the data for you! :-) Clear skies mate!
Great comparison, it is impressive how far OSC has come, with the new cameras and special filters out there. I would also favor the mono camera based image with its more fully developed color palette and the more controlled stars and detail, but the RASA does show off its efficient data gathering by seemingly going a little 'deeper' and getting some extra detail in the surrounding dust clouds. Great work and very fun comparison. You clearly presented the differences for lots of folks to check out.
Thank you for your great comment Michael! - There's certainly a lot to consider between the two setups and resulting images, it's very interesting to hear your feedback! :-D thanks for watching and taking the time to give your thoughts!
In a nutshell I would be extremely happy to have produced either of these images, the end result being more important than how you got there. The extra outlay is such a big consideration plus the extra time in data acquisition. Having said that I’m still keen to get a mono camera, oh dear, further down the rabbit hole. Brilliant work as always both of you, it’s a pleasure to support you in the small way I do. Oh and yes please to the processing. Cheers mate.
The rabbit hole never ends Pete!! :-D I'm sure you'll have a ton of fun with a mono setup mate, I've been back and forth a bunch of times over the years with OSC and Mono, both have their merits! I do enjoy myself generally more though when shooting colour I think, it's a tough one to explain why though! :-) Thank you for your support, I do truly appreciate it my friend! All the best, Luke
Thank you Sean!! I'm chuffed to hear you've enjoyed the video my friend, it was a lot of work to capture, but also a heck of a lot of fun to make and share! :-) Clear skies buddy!
I like the cheaper one better. Mainly because its cheaper and it still looks amazing. I've been practicing with my DSLR this summer. 3D printing the Open Astro Tracker so I can take longer exposures.
Thank you so much Isaac bro!! :-D I'm so thankful for all I have man, it's amazing :-) I reckon the Esprit wins too, but not by a landslide I guess! :-D I gotta say though, using the rasa and OSC was a more fun experience during capture and editing for me, which is worth noting! :-) Thanks for stopping by, watching and giving your support bro! Have a good one!
Hi Luke and Chloe, I think both images are great and i would be happy with ether one, but considering the massive price difference in the camera kits i think ill go with the OSC camera and the RASA , you've got to love that setup. Hope you both have a good weekend. Tony
Thanks so much Anthony buddy! I hope you've had a cracking weekend too mate :-) I love the OSC and RASA combo, it just makes me happy to use it!! (mono is good too but I don't enjoy it quite as much!) Thanks for watching and commenting mate!
Cool comparison Luke, it’s nice to see the uncooled camera keep up with the mono cooled camera considering the price difference. I’m working on a travel setup so I might even consider the Uranus-C as an option.
I was really amazed by the outcome mate! - For the price it's unbeatable in my opinion! :-) Thanks for watching and commenting, & good luck with that travel setup!
Nice! I sit somewhere between the two of these setups with an f/7 130 refractor 0.8 reducer and a cooled OSC. I've got to be honest, that mono camera image is very pleasing, which you'd certainly hope for with the price difference. I think that neat little OSC, lets the RASA down a bit, but I guess you knew that before you started. A nice bit of fun!
Thank you so much for the feedback mate! that's really interesting to hear, you have a great setup there by the sound of it! :-) This was definitely a fun experiment, I'm glad you liked it :-) Clear skies!
Great job both. I prefer the Esprit image for color and small star size but, and it’s a big exception, I don’t like the price. It would be fun to flip the cameras make the Esprit do one shot and the RASA do mono captures … not sure how that would work at all but good job both of you.
Thanks so much for the feedback Guy! - I appreciate it, and overall I agree - the Esprit shot did come out a bit better on this one, I can't wait to do more tests overall and figure out the difference with some more targets :-) Clear skies!
Both look great! SW Espiri is my want scope, hopefuly one day! very cool to see it used with the zwo 183 camera. Really chomping at the bit to get back out with the gear but have to wait until the end of August.
rowing the same boat as I have an edge8HD with hyperstar, I'd love to see how you processed each image to yield the above results. both are awesome considering one of the filters is a dual narrowband filter of awesomeness - really appreciate the time taken to make this video - cheers
Thank you Mark!! - it's really fun to use super fast systems like these isn't it? :-D re: processing, I may have to do that sort of video at some point yeah! - I'd like to maybe make a comparison video too, showing how the data actually looked your each system 👍👍 Thanks for watching! :-)
Great Video , again . I feel I've missed a very important point in all this...your Chloe is also an Astrophotographer ? Sweet ! Lucky man you . Anyways , both Images are excellent which always brings up the issue on Post Processing . Each Image has its merits and highlights the differences between the Data . Thanks !/SRK
Hey Scott! :-) I'm a lucky man indeed haha, thank you my friend! (it certainly makes justifying astro purchases that much easier LOL!) I totally agree man, both shots have their good & bad points! I think I slightly prefer the mono shot overall, but I preferred editing and capturing the OSC data! :-D Thank you for watching and giving your feedback mate, it's highly valued!
Hi mate, another great video! Hard to choose between the two, however I feel the mono system has given slightly better results perhaps to do with narrowband. Having said that, the rasa has done a fantastic job with that camera. I shoot mono from down under and I’m quite happy with it as you can tell is mainly during the processing. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work
Hey there mate! Hope you're keeping well :-) I agree the mono came out slightly better on the image quality front overall, but there's also parts I prefer about the rasa OSC image too haha! :-) They are both wonderful in their own right to own and use, but I have to admit to having a preference for using my RASA and OSC, it's opened up the sky for me I feel! Thanks for watching and sharing!
Great video Luke. Personally I find these comparison videos fascinating. I use a Zwo 294 mc pro OSC with the l extreme filter but have thought about going mono with the new Zwo 533 mono. My issue with mono though is the time involved and also the cost. I'm not sure there's enough of a difference to justify the investment. If you'd have put the two images up left and right and asked people to vote which one was mono I think many would have guessed wrong !! I think I actually prefer the rasa and the OSC on this one !! Cracking video mate 👌
That's a great point Paul!! - I really agree with what you're saying about the price difference not really being in line with the image quality difference!! - also, mono does take a lot more effort during capture I reckon, we were continually trying to figure out which narrowband channel needed more frames during this capture, to try and keep things even over these short sessions that made the image - not to mention the fact you have to take lots more flats! I do like OSC best in terms of enjoyment though, so maybe I'm biased :-D Thanks for watching and commenting buddy, as always!
Another quality video Luke. Love this comparison sort of vids actually very useful. For me, the mono spanks the OSC in this test (sorry!) I find speed can almost be detrimental sometimes as you say it blows the stars out so quickly - but we live in the UK so 5 min subs all night is a rarity lol. great video!
Hey Steve! - Hope you are keeping well mate :-D I appreciate the feedback, it's been really interesting for us both to read the comments on this, so many great points! :-) Thanks for watching and clear skies!
Interesting feedback Olly! - Thank you very much indeed mate :-D I'm in the same boat really, I like the mono image a little more (mostly down to how I processed the two of em) but agree again, the RASA framing was much nicer Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video. I always enjoy your presentaion. Both photos look great and althought the OSC stars are bigger and brighter I like it just a bit more than the mono. But then again I'm a OSC guy as well so maybe I'm a bit biased. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for these comparison videos (thumbs up!) I've struggled with 9.25"EdgeHD+Hyperstar and could never get pictures as sharp as a good refractor Time to upgrade ;)
Glad it was helpful bud!! - A nice refractor is hard to beat if sharpness is your desire mate, I've actually just received a new one for testing which looks really promising! the Askar 130PHQ! :-) Hopefully will have more to show in the future!
That RASA is fast man I guess when you don't need to take such long exposures it kinda changes what type of camera you can consider. Interesting test mate and the new place is looking 👍 spot on.
Thanks so much Ollie mate! - It's hard to pick a winner, they both have merits not just from an image quality standpoint either! - it was good fun putting this together, I'll have to do more for sure! :-) Clear skies bud!
Hi Luke, Great comparison of the two systems. I do like the SHO version better, but when you add in the price, that planetary camera wasn't bad at all, plus, it wasn't cooled! I plan to use the 'Tulip' as my next target, once the sky clears, whenever that will be.
Hey there Pat! - I totally agree my friend, the SHO is a little better but that little uncooled planetary cam really put up a good fight! I hope the weather clears for you soon my friend, and good luck with that Tulip capture - Nice to be capturing a horticulturally named target from the Heavenly Backyard itself! :-) Clear skies!
Very cool video, Luke. And great final images - both! ..actually, I tend to prefer the RASA one a little more. But: If you would increase the color intensity/vibrance a little I would probably tend towards the "mono-setup". - Keep up the great work and clear skies.
Thank you Tully! - I do appreciate your feedback my friend, I definitely failed at trying to process them both evenly but that's life I guess haha :-D I agree by the way, the esprit could have taken a bit more saturation! Thanks very much indeed for taking the time to comment, as always! Clear skies mate :-)
Both excellent images, how do you even pick a favourite!? lol Big well done both! I'm liking the little extra polish with the logos and Star wars style shout outs at the end, plus very good noctilucent cloud shots at the end there, a cherry on the cake :)
Hey Chris!! - Ah mate thank you for noticing :-D It's been a bit of a slog getting used to my new editing software, but I'm getting there steadily! :-) It's hard to pick a winner for sure, they both have pros and cons - I guess it comes down to what you value most as the imager! a tough one! Thanks for watching buddy! :-)
@@lukomatico I can relate to that Luke, I've been using Movavi for 4 years and now trying to learn Divinci Resolve which is a mega learning curve. I'm considering buying a Black Magic 4k cinema camera so I can film with a more cinematic 13 stops of dynamic range 10 bit 4:2:2 RAW and ProRes. ProRes is a great codec for Resolve and Black Magic cameras come with a full copy of Resolve. I was wondering what cameras you use for your channel? Your footage always looks pretty good mate :) Sony ZV-E10 here with A Sigma 16mm f/1/4.
Hi Luke, both images are remarkable. I think the Rasa shows a bit more of the fine detail to my eye. I'm partial to the Rasa because it seems brighter to me. Also I have the same scope and love the speed at which it can capture an image. I also do a star reduction with my images to really make the Nebula pop out. Great comparison Luke.
Thank you so much Ray!! - There's good and bad points about both shots for sure, I love doing comparisons like this! :-) it really does get you thinking! Thank you for watching my friend 👍👍
Mono better of course but the Player One Uranus C is no joke. Just got one and it's a seriously clean sensor with no amp glow and much less noise than other uncooled cameras. Thanks for the tip Luke, you saved me a bunch of money versus a cooled camera.
That's awesome to hear buddy!! - For sure the Uranus is a beast of a little camera, I would say it's basically unbeatable for the money, so happy to hear you're enjoying yours! Have a good one mate! Luke
Luke, I recently switched over to N.I.N.A. from Sharpcap and I too miss the livestack view. However, with the EZ Processing Suite by DarkArchon for PixInSight comes 'EZ Livestack'. You point it to the folder of your subs and it builds livestacks of each filter. Very nice. So while running my session in N.I.N.A. I also have PI up so I can view the stacks as they come in. It'll even stack the stacks of mono into an RGB live view. -Mark Foreman
Thanks so much for the tip Mark! - I've noticed that was added to the EZ suite, interesting! :-) Hope you have a super rest of your weekend, thanks again for watching! Luke
Nice video Luke and super images mate. Amazing what that player one can achieve and lets remember its a planetary camera after all. Would love to see what the mono could get on the RASA. I am a fan of the deeper colours so actually preferred the RASA image but I reckon if you added more vibrance to Chloe's image it would win for colour and subtle details. Clear skies mate.
Hey Glenn! - Thanks so much for the feedback mate, hugely appreciate it!! - I probably slightly prefer the Esprit shot on this target, but in terms of overall winner when considering cost, ease of use and enjoyment - the RASA and OSC wins it by a mile in my perspective! (I'm probably biased naturally to OSC though!) :-D Thanks again dude! Clear skies!
Hey Luke! Very interesting video! I love seeing comparisons of setup on the same targets ☺. I prefer the mono image but that might be just a processing taste/color preference. Both look amazing! How your OSC is handling the noise from long exposure if there is no cooling ? Take care ! Clear skies 😉
Hey there my friend! - Thanks for watching and commenting :-D To answer your question about the long exposure noise from the uncooled OSC - it's really quite manageable in my opinion! :-) I've been very impressed by this little budget OSC, it's a really capable unit overall and very versatile! I'm glad to hear you like both images by the way - That's really nice :-) Thanks again and clear skies!
Interesting to see the two comparisons. First off, the little OSC camera did quite an amazing job really considering that it is uncooled and more of a planetary camera. But the difference is still quite significant I feel with the mono camera setup having much finer details and a better colour depth. However, for someone on a budget or wanting a more hassle free portable rig, the little OSC is worth a consideration and performs well.
Thanks so much Logan!! A really fair comment mate! :-) I do like the mono image a little better, but I enjoyed using the OSC and rasa a whole lot more! :-D gotta count for something I guess! Thanks for stopping by and offering your opinion buddy, I do appreciate it! Clear skies!
Hello Luke. Both images are great. It is very important that you are breaking the paradigms of deep sky photography by using an uncooled 585 camera. This can help many who have limited budgets and time. Thank you for your contributions.
Hey there Jesus my friend!! - That's a really interesting perspective on things, thank you for sharing - as always I appreciate your time and opinion!! :-) Hope you've had a super weekend buddy! Hugs :-D
Awesome video Luke👍🏼. Now I haven’t jumped on the bandwagon for mono. I do have Astronomik SHO12nm filters and a 294mm. I got my feet wet doing duo band extract for faux SHO on OSC. The results are great but processing through extraction isn’t exacting as what mono can bring. Where data is embedded and more linear. In OSC extraction you still have to properly pull those filter elements SHO colors and make adjustments. I had to reprocess the heart nebula 3X because there are spots where 03 isn’t showing at some sections of the heart nebula to compare. Unlike on true 03 single filter data. F2 is a light bucket. I recently been using an OAG which is still setup on my rig. I had to adjust my way of processing targets because they turned out dim for some reason. Somewhat different from what I’m used to on a Hyperstar.
Thank you so much for your great comment mate! - There's certainly so many things to consider between the two types of camera setups, lots of pros/cons for sure! I agree that mono is inherently better from an image quality standpoint, but I personally just have a lot more fun shooting with OSC! :-) Thanks for watching and commenting buddy!
Thanks Oleg! - The stars were processed similarly, but not identically of course - I think the other issue could be the difference in sampling ratio, plus the extra point-source brightness from the larger aperture of the rasa coupled with the bandpass difference as you mention! :-) Thanks for watching and helping out mate! Have a good one :-)
Both are stunning and I’d happily have either on my wall. The colours are richer with the mono rig but considering it’s a 2 grand mono set up vs a £400 OSC (plus filter) it does a remarkable job. Bang for the buck is a no brainer.
Totally agree J J!! - it's amazing how close the overall gap is between these two, given that huge price difference like you say! :-) Thanks so much for sharing!
awesome video again luke. my fav is the mono. love the extra depth. What's that silver material covering your obsy walls? something to help regulate the temperature or just to make it feel more like a space station?
Hey Ben! - Thanks for the comment mate! :-D RE: the silver lining, it's double sided insulation bubble foil, - I really did just put it there to look a bit more space station-esque though, I'm not even joking hahah!! :-D Thanks for watching mate!
Mono for me. I have a 2600MC and recently picked up a 268M so now have both. Like you show, there is a difference. It’s not enormous but it’s there and it makes post processing easier (ignoring all the channel integration steps that is which is a pain!)
Thanks so much for giving your perspective on things mate! - I guess for me I find both mono and OSC about equal to process which makes the scales tip in neither's favour, but that's just me I guess! everyone is different :-) I reckon the mono shot is better too by the way, totally agree! the RASA and OSC was a lot more fun to use though during capture! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! Clear skies!
I recently tried shooting a small dim PN with an OSC planetary camera, which is a contrast to what I normally shoot with, which is also a planetary camera, but higher resolution, larger sensor and mono. Before testing, I thought I had made a mistake going for mono, but now that I've done it, I can truly say that I prefer processing the mono images much more. Processing colour is a hassle (for me), and the expense is longer time for capturing. I preferred the results from the Esprit, and that was because of the colours.
Thanks so much for the feedback! :-) I'm real glad to hear you've found the right setup for you, it took me a lot of back and forth to really find what I enjoyed the most! :-) Thanks for watching!
wow i cannot believe the data you get from what is classed as a planetary camera !!! amazing ....i see some of your images are on the player one website.where in the uk stock these luke ?
Thanks so much mate!! :-D I'm really glad you like the shots 👍 Regarding where to buy, you can get some of the cams from starfield optics in the UK but ordering direct from Player One is also an easy experience, everything I've had has came fast and well packed 👍 Hope that helps!
Hi Luke, great video as always…. personally I liked the Mono version, difficult to say why, but just looks fuller and more pleasing to my eye…the OSC version is still excellent, and for that very low priced camera, even more so…👍🏼
Thank you so much Stewart! Glad you liked the video mate :-) I really was impressed by how well the little OSC held up against a full-blooded mono setup, amazing really! Thanks for watching :-)
Interesting video again Luke, hard to tell this way, looks like the Esprit needs more integration time but absolutely has tighter stars and better detail already, so if it would have more subs it would be a much bigger difference regarding details in benefit of the refractor,. The RASA brings a lot more nebula in the image thanks to the f2. To do a better comparison the Esprit with mono camera should have a lot more integration time to equal the Rasa with OSC camera. But must say that I am very surprised that the "cheaper" camera is holding on so good !
Thank you so much for giving your thoughts Siegfried!! - There's so much to consider between the two shots and setups, good and bad points for both! :-) it was a lot of fun doing this comparison so I reckon I'll do more of them!! Thanks for sharing your opinion my friend 🙏 clear skies!
Like, I stumbled on to this channel, and wow, great help. I’m 8 months into this journey. The OSC May be a good step for me, before jumping in to the mono money cost. Have you used the OSC on lesser scopes with similar results. ( I’ve been using an Celestron Se8 to learn). Again, great channel.
Hey there Ken! - Thank you so much buddy, I'm glad the channel has been useful to you :-) I've not tried this particular OSC on anything other than my SkyWatcher 250pds, and the RASA 8 - but both have given nice results! :-) I think the field of view would be quite tight if used on the celestron c8 though, just something worth bearing in mind! Thanks for watching!
I would shoot mono with my hyperstar (very close to a RASA) but manual filter changes, if there was some sort of filter wheel, like a 3 position one it would block the aperture much then.
Another great upload, Luke! Glad you're getting on well with the RASA! In regards to your filters, how are you getting on with the Astronomik SHO 6nms? Was considering picking up a set as I'm awaiting the arrival of the 533MM Pro...judging by yours/Chloe's final image they look like they provide a great depth of detail? :) Cheers and have a great weekend! :)
Hey there buddy! Hope you're keeping well! :-) RE: the Astronomik 6nm's - they are very good filters indeed, a real clear step above the Baader offerings I've used in the past, no noticeable halos, great contrast - lots to love about them! :-) Hope that helps! Clear skies buddy!
Sorry Luke.. I'll have to go with Chloe's image for the win today! I just got a mono camera (294MM) and I'm still learning the processing ropes after coming from a year and a half with a 183MC.
Thank you mate!! we've both enjoyed reading all the different opinions on these too, it's been a lot of fun! :-D Thanks for weighing in, I appreciate you taking the time! Clear skies!
Both images look fantastic! I'd be interested to see how you process the brighter RASA stars. I'm still haven't found a simple, satisfying technique to reduce the stars in my images.
Thank you Matt! - I've been using a PixelMath formula/tool sent by a friend for testing, I should have maybe used a slightly more aggressive setting to make these two images slightly closer in star size 👍👍 The rasa is giving very pretty stars overall, but just hugely brighter than the esprit of course! :-)
After watching your video, I am so happy I invested in a quad narrowband filter, the Radian Triad Ultra F3 (fast version!) for my "Baby RASA" Celestron C6 with HyperStar. I am using a OSC ZWO ASI533MC Pro Cooled with this filter and the results are amazing! I get all 4 narrow band colors instead of just 2. Yes the filter is crazy expensive, it was actually more expensive than my scope! But this combo works really well. And yes F2 does over expose really easily but that is nice problem to have since gathering light is usually the problem in the first place. Thanks for the video. BTW I like the RASA image the best. I wonder how it would perform with a quad band filter ;-)
Thank you David!! - Man I bet that Triad Ultra is a beast of a filter :-) It sounds like you've got a superb equipment combo going on there, I hope you are enjoying it to the max! RE: over-exposing quickly, - you are right haha!! such a nice problem to have! Clear skies buddy!
Both images look great, but personally I prefer the Esprit image. For some reason, to me, it looks slightly more natural. But maybe I’m biased as I’m definitely a Refractor guy. Another excellent video 😃👍
Thanks Mark!! - Agree mate yeah, it does look slightly nicer RE: colour palette, - that said, what a fight the little planetary OSC cam put up!! wow! :-)
@@lukomatico agreed. Small uncooled cameras offer great value and a tremendous route into the hobby. My first camera was an Altair 385C which I used to take a photo of M81. It’s what got me hooked on our wonderful hobby. 👍
Hey Luke Quite late in wtching this. As you know i've been a little busy. Really enjoyed the comparison mate. You both did a wonderful job however, beleive it or not I preferred the image from the Esprit. but I wonder what it would look like with the cameras swapped over. Take care you two and clear skies!
Thank you so much Ben!! - That's interesting to hear bud, a lot of people liked the Esprit shot for sure - it's a cracker even if I do say so myself lol! :-D I reckon to use the 183 on the Esprit I'd need to buy a tilt-plate for it, it'll almost certainly be tilted a bit from factory (all sensors are really) so with no way to correct it I'd just expect a sad old time using it on the RASA currently haha! Hope you are keeping well matey! All the best from us all :-)
Mono looks amazing, but I don't want to have to do that much work. I would love to see what you could get with a Mono camera on your RASA...best of both worlds.
Thank you Jim! - I'm in the same boat really mate, mono is a bit better inherently, but not really dramatically so - making me not fancy the extra work each time if I have the option! :-) Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion buddy, clear skies!
Very good comparison, Luke. I think that since the OSC with the NBZ cannot record SII signal, the difference will show up. Nevertheless, it's very clear that the amount of signal gathered by the uncooled OSC with RASA's fast optics is similar to the cooled with the refractor in OIII and Ha. Maybe a comparison with the mono image processed in those two channels could confirm (or not) that statement. The difference maybe worth or not, according to the user's preference. But the result of your experiment shows that the OSC is very capable. Personally, I use a C9.25 EdgeHD with hyperstar (f2.3) and a ASI071MC Pro cooled OSC camera and get very good SNR with the frames and the NBZ filter. No need to go for the monochrome yet, unless I plan to image a very faint object at f10.
Hey there Alfredo my friend! I hope you are keeping well :-) As I remember from editing the data I can confirm that the HA & OIII of the mono setup, and R & G of the OSC were very similar indeed! Good eye :-) Totally agree that OSC is incredibly capable, it's easily my preferred way of imaging to be honest with you - great results and much less hassle overall I think! Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate you taking the time to give it - I really hope you have been able to get some clear skies lately with that beautiful setup of yours! All the best, Luke
Yeah, all of my imaging has been done with OSC cooled or DSLR cameras. If you can, it would be nice to see the comparison between mono with Ha and OIII (HOO palette) and the color data of the OSC which should be also HOO
Hi Luke, fun comparison :) I like the mono/esprit 120 combo a little better.. but I have to say, I'm really impressed with the OSC/uncooled camera. You're demonstrating that it is possible to get by with an uncooled camera. What are your thoughts on its performance (perhaps a subject for a video). When are you taking darks (I assume a dark library would be a challenge)? Would subs gathered over multiple sessions be an issue (perhaps calibration files are needed for each session?)?
Hey there James! - Thanks so much for watching and giving your feedback mate, I appreciate it! :-) RE: darks etc, I don't use them with the camera as it happens! I just make sure to dither my subs and it all stacks up nicely from multiple sessions, no problem! :-) I'm really impressed by it's price/performance ratio, I reckon it's just about unbeatable for the money! (maybe a used modded dslr could be fun in a different way at a similar price point? - not as good sensor though I guess!) Thanks for stopping by mate!
Thank you Rob!! - I prefer the mono too in this case, but it's close! No doubt about it though, that little osc cam can kick some serious backside! :-D
I don’t think there is one I prefer other the other. Both are great images and both similar and different at the same time - which is great! If everyone’s pictures looked the same it would be boring. It is similar to giving ten artists the same still life scene to paint, each will be different. But isn’t that the appeal?
The Esprit + 183mm is a chunk better all around I think (better stars, higher res, better contrast, better colours). Not the easiest to absolutely judge from a YT video, but that's the way it appears. I would guess with more integration time the gap would get even bigger.
Thank you!! - It's certainly hard to judge from a YT video, totally agree - I think the Esprit wins it from an image quality standpoint, but the rasa and OSC was a lot more fun to use for me at least, which is worth something! :-D (plus the price of the cameras is pretty crazy!) Thanks so much for watching :-) Clear skies!
Well, on my old iPad, which still has decent screen resolution, the RASA appeared as the clear winner. The image appeared sharper. I likewise use the RASA 8 and the NBZ (the slightly older "Nebula Builder") but with the ASI2600MC. I have attempted to do MM on the RASA 8, and with some success (not complete success), but truthfully, Celestron did not envision people doing mono on the RASA. You can't put a filter wheel on it, and that is a limitation. With the NBZ doing the nebula building, it would be great if you could click a switch and go to a UV/IR or an LP filter in order to get a full spectrum of star colors. Instead of having to laboriously remove the camera and filter to essentially start over from scratch (usually on a different night entirely). Conversely, I use the NBZ to get "Ha data" for face on galaxies when my LP or UV/IR filters don't provide that data well. I don't know a thing about the OSC camera used here; I sure like the price however. I am caught in the "ZWO net" using the ASIAIR Pro with the advantage that all ZWO stuff works great as long as it's with other stuff by ZWO. Can't say I'm totally happy in that boat, but ASIAIR Pro works via a/c and wifi at home and no wifi and battery power out at a primitive dark site. The RASA has limitations of course, and I was interested in Shaun Nielsen's new and affordable big Newtonian 8 as a possible alternative.
Thank you for such a great comment Paul!! - Looking at them side by side and temporarily putting cost, effort & enjoyment out of the equation, I personally slightly prefer the Esprit image - but it's darned close! In the real world of course, we can rarely put aside such important factors as cost, effort and enjoyment though - which actually makes the OSC and RASA the overall winner for me! I really appreciate you taking the time to leave some great feedback, Cheers!!
Another great video, Luke! Rosemary and I agree with Dave's assessment right down the line. We can't say which image we like better. It would be interesting to do the mono capture with the RASA, using a filter drawer setup. We may do that with our setup, if we get enought dark sky time, using the RASA 8 + NBZ + colour ASI294 MCP, and our AP Traveler at f/4.5 (472 mm fl) + LRGB. Again, you've piqued our interest. Well done! Rick & Rosemary
That's just brilliant to hear you guys! - I would like to maybe try mono one day on the rasa, but in truth I just have so much fun shooting OSC with it that I'd have a hard time talking myself into doing it!! :-D Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, all the best! Luke
I have to give a thumbs up to the mono version. Broader color range, slightly more detail visible in the fine structure. Star bloom is a fact of life with OSC' even the higher end like the ASI2600MC-P (also affected by the filter used). I just made the switch to mono (and of course have had almost no observable nights since). But in the few test images I made I have been pleased with the difference. More post processing times, but some things, like noise reduction, are much easier/simpler with mono images. It also takes a change in perspective since it can take several nights with a mono rig to get a full set of images. Not better or worse, just a different approach.
Hey there Clayton! - Thank you so much for sharing your experience and opinion!! Huge congratulations on the 2600MM-P by the way, what a lovely camera :-) Both ways of imaging have their own appeal, I agree totally! I do like mono imaging, but I personally enjoy shooting OSC the most, it's just the one that brings me more joy! Thank you for watching, and hopefully clear skies on the way soon so you can enjoy that new camera bud!
It’s astonishing how much better the refractor is with mono…. I thought the RASA would be able to keep up, it really didn’t though on any level… Shows how important a good camera is I guess.
Hey Johnnie!! - Thanks so much dude, that's awesome to hear you like both shots :-D - I too have a serious soft spot for OSC imaging, it's my favourite way to do it really!
Both are great but I like the OSC better. How did you manage the amp glow on the 183 specifically, if you remeber, because its notoriously bad on that camera?
Thank you! It can be difficult to calibrate, but we made sure to use fully matched dark frames when calibrating, so they were perfectly equal in gain, offset, temperature and exposure length :-) Hope that helps!
Having shot both OSC and now mono, I defiantly like Mono better. Also to the untrained eye the wont notice the noise in the uncooled camera compared to the 183mm. I ran the 183mc on my hyperstar for a while, Then sold the hyperstar and 183 and moved up to the 268m 😉. I am more of a wide field guy so even though I like the 102ED look better , the FOV of the Rasa wins
Thanks for your feedback Steve!! - The 268m is a lovely camera, congratulations my friend! :-) I'm glad to see you like things about both images, that's a positive outlook! - I think the FOV of the rasa and an APS/C cam would be incredible fun to use... watch this space! :-) Clear skies buddy!
Wow! Great images both. I am staying with OSC since image time is limited here with cloudy skies etc.. Mono is perhaps better but OSC can achieve incredible results too. You have come such a long way from when you had to lift your rig in and out of your back room on your deck. Looking good!
Thank you so much Mike! - I love osc for the same reason mate, can't beat getting an image captured in full colour in no time flat! Thank you for the perspective by the way, things really have came along nicely!! :-) Clear skies!
Totally hear ya dude!!! I like the mono image slightly better, but I really enjoy OSC imaging best of all, so that's what I do most! :-D Thanks for commenting!
@@jesuspineiro1622 I know you can but you waste a lot of light . Jesus Christ i dont know what is the image scale on RASA but its probably at least full frame if not bigger . So with 1inch sensor , you are wasting 17/18th of light , or image area Becase 18 of those 1inch sensor can fit on a full frame . That is like having a picture then cutting out 1/18th part of it . Thats a waste if you ask me .
Hi Pavle! - As Jesus says, the RASA cannot accept any focal reducers etc :-) RE: small sensor and wasting potential image space - You're right, there's wasted light but it's the best sensor I have available currently, if I had a bigger sensor I'd be using it for sure! :-D I hope soon to get an APS/C size astro cam though! Thanks for watching and giving feedback guys!
@@lukomatico I dont have it as well , i roll with 550D and 5D , maybe get 6D soon , im not sure if you can put DSLRs in front of RASA , probably you could , a small one like 4000D wouldn't make all that much difference . You can mod it easy . You probably knew that .
@@dedskin1 The RASA 8" does not accept DSLRs because of the short backfocus. The RASA's backfocus is very precise to keep the flat field. The RASA 11 can use a DSLR, but it covers a large area of light path. It is always better to use astro cameras of smaller diameter, although they can be fullframe without problems.
Refractor has better star dynamic range and color. Rasa has beautiful wide field and bright and contrasty nebula. If I could reproduce either effort I’d think I did a good night’s work.
Totally agree that an even deeper fullwell would help! - maybe I could have imaged at a lower gain setting to help overcome that! :-) Thanks so much for the feedback!
That's a tough one mate! - I think if you'd be looking to spend 90% of your time shooting at hyperstar/rasa speeds, then go with the RASA - it's a dedicated, purpose built scope so is going to be, generally speaking, better than a bolt-on solution like Hyperstar (in my opinion!) If however you're planning on switching between setups a lot, spending a more even split in your imaging time using the scope at F10 and F2 then Hyperstar makes a lot of sense I think :-) Hope that helps!
@@lukomatico Yer thanks for that Luke as i was 60% swayed towards the rasa.. the hyperstar was more a cheaper option, but i know I would have regretted it.. now i just gotta save and wait..
Just wanted to apologise to my members for the credits list being incomplete! - I've only just realised that half the names I entered did not get rendered! - I'll have it sorted for next time :-) Clear skies!
Thank you for this video. Since I use an OSC camera, I’ve often wondered whether or not I should begin to “upgrade” to mono imaging. Now, after viewing your video, even thought the colors of Chloe’s mono image are more appealing, I see that there’s no urgency to abandon my continued OCS use since the difference is rather subjective. As is evident to all of us who image, this is an expensive hobby. There’s always the temptation to jump to the bigger, more expensive astro-toy, but your video goes a long way in helping us make those decisions. Once again, your content is amazingly relevant. Do keep up the great work.
Thank you very much indeed Joe! - I always appreciate hearing your perspective on things my friend, I absolutely fell prey to the temptation to spend more and more early on in this hobby, and in doing so nearly killed it for myself! - These days I favour using a super quality scope with a OSC camera best of all in terms of enjoyment, that's where my fun comes from! :-) Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment Joe!
Hey Luke and Chloe! They both came out really well. Can definitely see a difference, but not surprising considering how vastly different the capture hardware is! The Rasa definitely is a lot brighter and a deeper red, but the wee camera did well. The mono setup has more colour depth although looks a little washed - maybe just a subtle variance due to slightly different processing. I would be happy with either, but overall think the mono took the win this time. 😀 Although the Rasa clouds do look better.
Agreed Dave!! - You make some great points bud, thank you for stopping by and giving your thoughts! :-D
I think I may try a lower gain on the osc/rasa next time, investigate using it that way 👍👍
Clear skies buddy!
Hi Luke and Chloe, those two images are stunning. If I had to pick a winner it would be the refractor/mono set up pipping the RASA with what I see as higher definition,it would be interesting to see what the Esprit could pull out using the Player One camera sometime in the future.A great image with the Player One camera again considering it’s sold as a planetary camera.BTW I would love to see some more of your processing videos in the future, Clear skies.
Thank you so much Jon! - I prefer the esprit image slightly too, but there's not much in it for me! both have good and bad points in my opinion! :-)
I'll have a good think about what I could make a processing video about, I'm considering perhaps a comparison between noiseXterminator and Topaz maybe too!
All the best :-)
Luke
Excellent video. Seems to me it does a good enough job that I will never get around to shooting with a slow mono rig. Thanks for justifying my RASA/OSC combo!
So happy it was useful to you mate!! - I couldn't be happier with the choice of RASA/OSC, highly recommend! :-)
Clear skies!
Great video and would love to see your processing, you always make them unbelievably practical. Thanks again
Thank you for that Eric! that's real kind of you mate :-) Clear skies!
Luke, Chloe.
This is a really good comparison of 2 totally different Astro setups. The results are interesting and whilst it can be all down to personal preference at the end, it just shows what can be achieved with different budgets. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for watching Stephen! I think that's a perfect take-away from this video! I appreciate you sharing :-D
Absolutely quality video Luke & Chloe!
Thank you bro!! :-D
Amazing images especially teasing that one out of the OSC. Well done 👍🏻
Thank you Tom!! - I really do love using OSC, it's always a pleasure to process it and figure out what's waiting inside the data for you! :-) Clear skies mate!
Another great video. Uncooled imx185 is avery appealing upgrade from my dslr
Thank you mate! The imx585 is a great sensor for sure 👍👍
Great comparison, it is impressive how far OSC has come, with the new cameras and special filters out there. I would also favor the mono camera based image with its more fully developed color palette and the more controlled stars and detail, but the RASA does show off its efficient data gathering by seemingly going a little 'deeper' and getting some extra detail in the surrounding dust clouds. Great work and very fun comparison. You clearly presented the differences for lots of folks to check out.
Thank you for your great comment Michael! - There's certainly a lot to consider between the two setups and resulting images, it's very interesting to hear your feedback! :-D thanks for watching and taking the time to give your thoughts!
In a nutshell I would be extremely happy to have produced either of these images, the end result being more important than how you got there. The extra outlay is such a big consideration plus the extra time in data acquisition. Having said that I’m still keen to get a mono camera, oh dear, further down the rabbit hole. Brilliant work as always both of you, it’s a pleasure to support you in the small way I do. Oh and yes please to the processing. Cheers mate.
The rabbit hole never ends Pete!! :-D I'm sure you'll have a ton of fun with a mono setup mate, I've been back and forth a bunch of times over the years with OSC and Mono, both have their merits! I do enjoy myself generally more though when shooting colour I think, it's a tough one to explain why though! :-)
Thank you for your support, I do truly appreciate it my friend!
All the best,
Luke
great video as always
Thank you Sean!! I'm chuffed to hear you've enjoyed the video my friend, it was a lot of work to capture, but also a heck of a lot of fun to make and share! :-)
Clear skies buddy!
I like the cheaper one better. Mainly because its cheaper and it still looks amazing. I've been practicing with my DSLR this summer. 3D printing the Open Astro Tracker so I can take longer exposures.
Thanks for the feedback and that's awesome to hear mate, it sounds like you've got off to a great start there! I really enjoy 3d printing too 👍
Mono setup image is a lot cleaner. Nice video 👍
I appreciate the feedback Paul!! Thank you mate :-D Clear skies!
Two absolute beasts of pictures there mate 👍🏼 both are awesome in different areas 👍🏼 that little cheap camera is sure holding its own 💪🏽
Thanks so much dude!! :-D Really happy you like both shots, and I totally agree - the budget cam is really holding in there! Have a good one bud :-)
Both images are beautiful and not really that much different considering the totally different setups! This was a very worthwhile demonstration!
I'm really happy to hear you say that mate, thank you so much!! :-) Clear skies!
You are just living the dream with astro bro! Man, so happy for you ! I like Chloes setup edit better. Maybe cause I have that camera and filters 🤙.
Thank you so much Isaac bro!! :-D I'm so thankful for all I have man, it's amazing :-)
I reckon the Esprit wins too, but not by a landslide I guess! :-D I gotta say though, using the rasa and OSC was a more fun experience during capture and editing for me, which is worth noting! :-)
Thanks for stopping by, watching and giving your support bro!
Have a good one!
@@lukomatico I bet man! It's all about the experience honestly . It's awesome that you can experiment with your setups like you can.
excellent presentation
Thank you so much Mike!! I appreciate it :-)
Clear skies!
Hi Luke and Chloe, I think both images are great and i would be happy with ether one, but considering the massive price difference in the camera kits i think ill go with the OSC camera and the RASA , you've got to love that setup.
Hope you both have a good weekend.
Tony
Thanks so much Anthony buddy! I hope you've had a cracking weekend too mate :-)
I love the OSC and RASA combo, it just makes me happy to use it!! (mono is good too but I don't enjoy it quite as much!)
Thanks for watching and commenting mate!
I like your little enclosure for your rig!
Thank you Scott!! :-D
Cool comparison Luke, it’s nice to see the uncooled camera keep up with the mono cooled camera considering the price difference. I’m working on a travel setup so I might even consider the Uranus-C as an option.
I was really amazed by the outcome mate! - For the price it's unbeatable in my opinion! :-) Thanks for watching and commenting, & good luck with that travel setup!
Great comparison.
Thank you mate!! :-)
Nice! I sit somewhere between the two of these setups with an f/7 130 refractor 0.8 reducer and a cooled OSC. I've got to be honest, that mono camera image is very pleasing, which you'd certainly hope for with the price difference. I think that neat little OSC, lets the RASA down a bit, but I guess you knew that before you started. A nice bit of fun!
Thank you so much for the feedback mate! that's really interesting to hear, you have a great setup there by the sound of it! :-)
This was definitely a fun experiment, I'm glad you liked it :-) Clear skies!
Great job both. I prefer the Esprit image for color and small star size but, and it’s a big exception, I don’t like the price. It would be fun to flip the cameras make the Esprit do one shot and the RASA do mono captures … not sure how that would work at all but good job both of you.
Thanks so much for the feedback Guy! - I appreciate it, and overall I agree - the Esprit shot did come out a bit better on this one, I can't wait to do more tests overall and figure out the difference with some more targets :-)
Clear skies!
Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks!! :-)
Both look great! SW Espiri is my want scope, hopefuly one day! very cool to see it used with the zwo 183 camera. Really chomping at the bit to get back out with the gear but have to wait until the end of August.
Oh man that's rough Mark! - I hope you are able to enjoy tons of clear sky when August rolls around my friend :-) Thanks for watching!
rowing the same boat as I have an edge8HD with hyperstar, I'd love to see how you processed each image to yield the above results. both are awesome considering one of the filters is a dual narrowband filter of awesomeness - really appreciate the time taken to make this video - cheers
Thank you Mark!! - it's really fun to use super fast systems like these isn't it? :-D re: processing, I may have to do that sort of video at some point yeah! - I'd like to maybe make a comparison video too, showing how the data actually looked your each system 👍👍
Thanks for watching! :-)
Great Video , again . I feel I've missed a very important point in all this...your Chloe is also an Astrophotographer ? Sweet ! Lucky man you . Anyways , both Images are excellent which always brings up the issue on Post Processing . Each Image has its merits and highlights the differences between the Data . Thanks !/SRK
Hey Scott! :-) I'm a lucky man indeed haha, thank you my friend! (it certainly makes justifying astro purchases that much easier LOL!)
I totally agree man, both shots have their good & bad points! I think I slightly prefer the mono shot overall, but I preferred editing and capturing the OSC data! :-D
Thank you for watching and giving your feedback mate, it's highly valued!
Hi mate, another great video! Hard to choose between the two, however I feel the mono system has given slightly better results perhaps to do with narrowband. Having said that, the rasa has done a fantastic job with that camera. I shoot mono from down under and I’m quite happy with it as you can tell is mainly during the processing. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work
Hey there mate! Hope you're keeping well :-)
I agree the mono came out slightly better on the image quality front overall, but there's also parts I prefer about the rasa OSC image too haha! :-) They are both wonderful in their own right to own and use, but I have to admit to having a preference for using my RASA and OSC, it's opened up the sky for me I feel!
Thanks for watching and sharing!
Great video Luke. Personally I find these comparison videos fascinating. I use a Zwo 294 mc pro OSC with the l extreme filter but have thought about going mono with the new Zwo 533 mono. My issue with mono though is the time involved and also the cost. I'm not sure there's enough of a difference to justify the investment. If you'd have put the two images up left and right and asked people to vote which one was mono I think many would have guessed wrong !! I think I actually prefer the rasa and the OSC on this one !! Cracking video mate 👌
That's a great point Paul!! - I really agree with what you're saying about the price difference not really being in line with the image quality difference!! - also, mono does take a lot more effort during capture I reckon, we were continually trying to figure out which narrowband channel needed more frames during this capture, to try and keep things even over these short sessions that made the image - not to mention the fact you have to take lots more flats! I do like OSC best in terms of enjoyment though, so maybe I'm biased :-D
Thanks for watching and commenting buddy, as always!
Another quality video Luke. Love this comparison sort of vids actually very useful. For me, the mono spanks the OSC in this test (sorry!) I find speed can almost be detrimental sometimes as you say it blows the stars out so quickly - but we live in the UK so 5 min subs all night is a rarity lol. great video!
Hey Steve! - Hope you are keeping well mate :-D I appreciate the feedback, it's been really interesting for us both to read the comments on this, so many great points! :-)
Thanks for watching and clear skies!
Really interesting comparison Luke, I overall prefer the Mono image but like the framing on the RASA better👍🏻
Interesting feedback Olly! - Thank you very much indeed mate :-D
I'm in the same boat really, I like the mono image a little more (mostly down to how I processed the two of em) but agree again, the RASA framing was much nicer
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video. I always enjoy your presentaion. Both photos look great and althought the OSC stars are bigger and brighter I like it just a bit more than the mono. But then again I'm a OSC guy as well so maybe I'm a bit biased. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much Mark!! I appreciate that buddy, clear skies!
The refractor version, hands down. Smaller stars, and more controlled details and color.
Thank you for weighing in!! - I appreciate your feedback :-) Clear skies!
Thanks for these comparison videos (thumbs up!)
I've struggled with 9.25"EdgeHD+Hyperstar and could never get pictures as sharp as a good refractor
Time to upgrade ;)
Glad it was helpful bud!! - A nice refractor is hard to beat if sharpness is your desire mate, I've actually just received a new one for testing which looks really promising! the Askar 130PHQ! :-) Hopefully will have more to show in the future!
@@lukomatico nice 👌
I ordered the 107phq for myself 😉
@@EricMilewski Outstanding! I think you'll be very happy indeed :-) Clear skies!
That RASA is fast man I guess when you don't need to take such long exposures it kinda changes what type of camera you can consider. Interesting test mate and the new place is looking 👍 spot on.
Thanks so much Ollie mate! - It's hard to pick a winner, they both have merits not just from an image quality standpoint either! - it was good fun putting this together, I'll have to do more for sure! :-)
Clear skies bud!
Hi Luke,
Great comparison of the two systems. I do like the SHO version better, but when you add in the price, that planetary camera wasn't bad at all, plus, it wasn't cooled! I plan to use the 'Tulip' as my next target, once the sky clears, whenever that will be.
Hey there Pat! - I totally agree my friend, the SHO is a little better but that little uncooled planetary cam really put up a good fight!
I hope the weather clears for you soon my friend, and good luck with that Tulip capture - Nice to be capturing a horticulturally named target from the Heavenly Backyard itself! :-)
Clear skies!
The refractor brought out broader contrast, which I like. I like the blackness of the RASA though.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts!! 👍👍
Thanks!
Wow! - That's so kind of you Frank, thank you very much indeed my friend!! Wishing you the clearest of skies :-)
Very cool video, Luke. And great final images - both! ..actually, I tend to prefer the RASA one a little more. But: If you would increase the color intensity/vibrance a little I would probably tend towards the "mono-setup". - Keep up the great work and clear skies.
Thank you Tully! - I do appreciate your feedback my friend, I definitely failed at trying to process them both evenly but that's life I guess haha :-D I agree by the way, the esprit could have taken a bit more saturation!
Thanks very much indeed for taking the time to comment, as always!
Clear skies mate :-)
Both excellent images, how do you even pick a favourite!? lol Big well done both! I'm liking the little extra polish with the logos and Star wars style shout outs at the end, plus very good noctilucent cloud shots at the end there, a cherry on the cake :)
Hey Chris!! - Ah mate thank you for noticing :-D It's been a bit of a slog getting used to my new editing software, but I'm getting there steadily! :-)
It's hard to pick a winner for sure, they both have pros and cons - I guess it comes down to what you value most as the imager! a tough one!
Thanks for watching buddy! :-)
@@lukomatico I can relate to that Luke, I've been using Movavi for 4 years and now trying to learn Divinci Resolve which is a mega learning curve. I'm considering buying a Black Magic 4k cinema camera so I can film with a more cinematic 13 stops of dynamic range 10 bit 4:2:2 RAW and ProRes. ProRes is a great codec for Resolve and Black Magic cameras come with a full copy of Resolve. I was wondering what cameras you use for your channel? Your footage always looks pretty good mate :) Sony ZV-E10 here with A Sigma 16mm f/1/4.
Hi Luke, both images are remarkable. I think the Rasa shows a bit more of the fine detail to my eye. I'm partial to the Rasa because it seems brighter to me. Also
I have the same scope and love the speed at which it can capture an image. I also do a star reduction with my images to really make the Nebula pop out. Great comparison Luke.
Thank you so much Ray!! - There's good and bad points about both shots for sure, I love doing comparisons like this! :-) it really does get you thinking!
Thank you for watching my friend 👍👍
Mono better of course but the Player One Uranus C is no joke. Just got one and it's a seriously clean sensor with no amp glow and much less noise than other uncooled cameras. Thanks for the tip Luke, you saved me a bunch of money versus a cooled camera.
That's awesome to hear buddy!! - For sure the Uranus is a beast of a little camera, I would say it's basically unbeatable for the money, so happy to hear you're enjoying yours!
Have a good one mate!
Luke
Luke, I recently switched over to N.I.N.A. from Sharpcap and I too miss the livestack view. However, with the EZ Processing Suite by DarkArchon for PixInSight comes 'EZ Livestack'. You point it to the folder of your subs and it builds livestacks of each filter. Very nice. So while running my session in N.I.N.A. I also have PI up so I can view the stacks as they come in. It'll even stack the stacks of mono into an RGB live view. -Mark Foreman
Thanks so much for the tip Mark! - I've noticed that was added to the EZ suite, interesting! :-)
Hope you have a super rest of your weekend, thanks again for watching!
Luke
Nice video Luke and super images mate. Amazing what that player one can achieve and lets remember its a planetary camera after all. Would love to see what the mono could get on the RASA. I am a fan of the deeper colours so actually preferred the RASA image but I reckon if you added more vibrance to Chloe's image it would win for colour and subtle details. Clear skies mate.
Hey Glenn! - Thanks so much for the feedback mate, hugely appreciate it!! - I probably slightly prefer the Esprit shot on this target, but in terms of overall winner when considering cost, ease of use and enjoyment - the RASA and OSC wins it by a mile in my perspective! (I'm probably biased naturally to OSC though!) :-D Thanks again dude!
Clear skies!
Both images are great! It's OSC for me...butvonly because that's how I image and appreciate knowing what my set up is capable of!
Thank you Sammy!! - That's superb to hear :-D
Clear skies!
Hey Luke! Very interesting video! I love seeing comparisons of setup on the same targets ☺. I prefer the mono image but that might be just a processing taste/color preference. Both look amazing!
How your OSC is handling the noise from long exposure if there is no cooling ?
Take care ! Clear skies 😉
Hey there my friend! - Thanks for watching and commenting :-D
To answer your question about the long exposure noise from the uncooled OSC - it's really quite manageable in my opinion! :-) I've been very impressed by this little budget OSC, it's a really capable unit overall and very versatile!
I'm glad to hear you like both images by the way - That's really nice :-)
Thanks again and clear skies!
Interesting to see the two comparisons. First off, the little OSC camera did quite an amazing job really considering that it is uncooled and more of a planetary camera. But the difference is still quite significant I feel with the mono camera setup having much finer details and a better colour depth. However, for someone on a budget or wanting a more hassle free portable rig, the little OSC is worth a consideration and performs well.
Thanks so much Logan!! A really fair comment mate! :-) I do like the mono image a little better, but I enjoyed using the OSC and rasa a whole lot more! :-D gotta count for something I guess!
Thanks for stopping by and offering your opinion buddy, I do appreciate it!
Clear skies!
Hello Luke. Both images are great. It is very important that you are breaking the paradigms of deep sky photography by using an uncooled 585 camera. This can help many who have limited budgets and time. Thank you for your contributions.
Hey there Jesus my friend!! - That's a really interesting perspective on things, thank you for sharing - as always I appreciate your time and opinion!! :-)
Hope you've had a super weekend buddy!
Hugs :-D
Awesome video Luke👍🏼. Now I haven’t jumped on the bandwagon for mono. I do have Astronomik SHO12nm filters and a 294mm. I got my feet wet doing duo band extract for faux SHO on OSC. The results are great but processing through extraction isn’t exacting as what mono can bring. Where data is embedded and more linear. In OSC extraction you still have to properly pull those filter elements SHO colors and make adjustments. I had to reprocess the heart nebula 3X because there are spots where 03 isn’t showing at some sections of the heart nebula to compare. Unlike on true 03 single filter data. F2 is a light bucket. I recently been using an OAG which is still setup on my rig. I had to adjust my way of processing targets because they turned out dim for some reason. Somewhat different from what I’m used to on a Hyperstar.
Thank you so much for your great comment mate! - There's certainly so many things to consider between the two types of camera setups, lots of pros/cons for sure! I agree that mono is inherently better from an image quality standpoint, but I personally just have a lot more fun shooting with OSC! :-)
Thanks for watching and commenting buddy!
@@lukomatico absolutely, I’ll also see a lot of OSC on my end. It’s fun and easy to for marathon targets.
Great video and great images (both) !!! Many thanks for this test. P.S. How long subs of Player One Uranus-C OSC?
Thank you so much buddy! :-) the sub length was 2 minutes 👍👍
Thanks
Blimey Sean, thank you so much mate! that's really very kind of you!!! :-)
All the best!
Luke
If the stars were processed in the same way, then the difference in size is in the band widths of the filters, 6 nm vs 12 nm.
Thanks Oleg! - The stars were processed similarly, but not identically of course - I think the other issue could be the difference in sampling ratio, plus the extra point-source brightness from the larger aperture of the rasa coupled with the bandpass difference as you mention! :-) Thanks for watching and helping out mate!
Have a good one :-)
Both are stunning and I’d happily have either on my wall. The colours are richer with the mono rig but considering it’s a 2 grand mono set up vs a £400 OSC (plus filter) it does a remarkable job. Bang for the buck is a no brainer.
Totally agree J J!! - it's amazing how close the overall gap is between these two, given that huge price difference like you say! :-)
Thanks so much for sharing!
awesome video again luke. my fav is the mono. love the extra depth. What's that silver material covering your obsy walls? something to help regulate the temperature or just to make it feel more like a space station?
Hey Ben! - Thanks for the comment mate! :-D
RE: the silver lining, it's double sided insulation bubble foil, - I really did just put it there to look a bit more space station-esque though, I'm not even joking hahah!! :-D
Thanks for watching mate!
Mono for me. I have a 2600MC and recently picked up a 268M so now have both.
Like you show, there is a difference. It’s not enormous but it’s there and it makes post processing easier (ignoring all the channel integration steps that is which is a pain!)
Thanks so much for giving your perspective on things mate! - I guess for me I find both mono and OSC about equal to process which makes the scales tip in neither's favour, but that's just me I guess! everyone is different :-) I reckon the mono shot is better too by the way, totally agree! the RASA and OSC was a lot more fun to use though during capture!
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Clear skies!
I recently tried shooting a small dim PN with an OSC planetary camera, which is a contrast to what I normally shoot with, which is also a planetary camera, but higher resolution, larger sensor and mono. Before testing, I thought I had made a mistake going for mono, but now that I've done it, I can truly say that I prefer processing the mono images much more. Processing colour is a hassle (for me), and the expense is longer time for capturing.
I preferred the results from the Esprit, and that was because of the colours.
Thanks so much for the feedback! :-) I'm real glad to hear you've found the right setup for you, it took me a lot of back and forth to really find what I enjoyed the most! :-)
Thanks for watching!
wow i cannot believe the data you get from what is classed as a planetary camera !!! amazing ....i see some of your images are on the player one website.where in the uk stock these luke ?
Thanks so much mate!! :-D I'm really glad you like the shots 👍
Regarding where to buy, you can get some of the cams from starfield optics in the UK but ordering direct from Player One is also an easy experience, everything I've had has came fast and well packed 👍
Hope that helps!
Both are good 👍
Thank you for commenting bro!! :-D
Hi Luke, great video as always….
personally I liked the Mono version, difficult to say why, but just looks fuller and more pleasing to my eye…the OSC version is still excellent, and for that very low priced camera, even more so…👍🏼
Thank you so much Stewart! Glad you liked the video mate :-)
I really was impressed by how well the little OSC held up against a full-blooded mono setup, amazing really!
Thanks for watching :-)
Interesting video again Luke, hard to tell this way, looks like the Esprit needs more integration time but absolutely has tighter stars and better detail already, so if it would have more subs it would be a much bigger difference regarding details in benefit of the refractor,.
The RASA brings a lot more nebula in the image thanks to the f2.
To do a better comparison the Esprit with mono camera should have a lot more integration time to equal the Rasa with OSC camera.
But must say that I am very surprised that the "cheaper" camera is holding on so good !
Thank you so much for giving your thoughts Siegfried!! - There's so much to consider between the two shots and setups, good and bad points for both! :-) it was a lot of fun doing this comparison so I reckon I'll do more of them!!
Thanks for sharing your opinion my friend 🙏 clear skies!
Like, I stumbled on to this channel, and wow, great help. I’m 8 months into this journey. The OSC May be a good step for me, before jumping in to the mono money cost. Have you used the OSC on lesser scopes with similar results. ( I’ve been using an Celestron Se8 to learn). Again, great channel.
Hey there Ken! - Thank you so much buddy, I'm glad the channel has been useful to you :-)
I've not tried this particular OSC on anything other than my SkyWatcher 250pds, and the RASA 8 - but both have given nice results! :-) I think the field of view would be quite tight if used on the celestron c8 though, just something worth bearing in mind!
Thanks for watching!
I would shoot mono with my hyperstar (very close to a RASA) but manual filter changes, if there was some sort of filter wheel, like a 3 position one it would block the aperture much then.
That would be pretty awesome for sure!! - I have to say though, I do still just enjoy OSC the most! :-D
Thanks so much for watching!
It's like the SW mage was processed while listening to classical music, and the Rasa was while listening to metal.
Hahaha!! What a brilliant comment, thank you - this made me smile! :-D
Another great upload, Luke! Glad you're getting on well with the RASA! In regards to your filters, how are you getting on with the Astronomik SHO 6nms? Was considering picking up a set as I'm awaiting the arrival of the 533MM Pro...judging by yours/Chloe's final image they look like they provide a great depth of detail? :) Cheers and have a great weekend! :)
Hey there buddy! Hope you're keeping well! :-)
RE: the Astronomik 6nm's - they are very good filters indeed, a real clear step above the Baader offerings I've used in the past, no noticeable halos, great contrast - lots to love about them! :-) Hope that helps!
Clear skies buddy!
Sorry Luke.. I'll have to go with Chloe's image for the win today! I just got a mono camera (294MM) and I'm still learning the processing ropes after coming from a year and a half with a 183MC.
Thank you mate!! we've both enjoyed reading all the different opinions on these too, it's been a lot of fun! :-D Thanks for weighing in, I appreciate you taking the time!
Clear skies!
Both images look fantastic! I'd be interested to see how you process the brighter RASA stars. I'm still haven't found a simple, satisfying technique to reduce the stars in my images.
Thank you Matt! - I've been using a PixelMath formula/tool sent by a friend for testing, I should have maybe used a slightly more aggressive setting to make these two images slightly closer in star size 👍👍
The rasa is giving very pretty stars overall, but just hugely brighter than the esprit of course! :-)
@@lukomatico I would love to see you share your friend's script in a video once it's tested!
After watching your video, I am so happy I invested in a quad narrowband filter, the Radian Triad Ultra F3 (fast version!) for my "Baby RASA" Celestron C6 with HyperStar. I am using a OSC ZWO ASI533MC Pro Cooled with this filter and the results are amazing! I get all 4 narrow band colors instead of just 2. Yes the filter is crazy expensive, it was actually more expensive than my scope! But this combo works really well. And yes F2 does over expose really easily but that is nice problem to have since gathering light is usually the problem in the first place. Thanks for the video. BTW I like the RASA image the best. I wonder how it would perform with a quad band filter ;-)
I have a similar Baby RASA setup, and boy does that Radian Triad Ultra tempt me!
Thank you David!! - Man I bet that Triad Ultra is a beast of a filter :-) It sounds like you've got a superb equipment combo going on there, I hope you are enjoying it to the max!
RE: over-exposing quickly, - you are right haha!! such a nice problem to have!
Clear skies buddy!
Agreed Matt!! :-D
Both images look great, but personally I prefer the Esprit image. For some reason, to me, it looks slightly more natural. But maybe I’m biased as I’m definitely a Refractor guy. Another excellent video 😃👍
Thanks Mark!! - Agree mate yeah, it does look slightly nicer RE: colour palette, - that said, what a fight the little planetary OSC cam put up!! wow! :-)
@@lukomatico agreed. Small uncooled cameras offer great value and a tremendous route into the hobby. My first camera was an Altair 385C which I used to take a photo of M81. It’s what got me hooked on our wonderful hobby. 👍
Hey Luke
Quite late in wtching this. As you know i've been a little busy.
Really enjoyed the comparison mate. You both did a wonderful job however, beleive it or not I preferred the image from the Esprit. but I wonder what it would look like with the cameras swapped over.
Take care you two and clear skies!
Thank you so much Ben!! - That's interesting to hear bud, a lot of people liked the Esprit shot for sure - it's a cracker even if I do say so myself lol! :-D
I reckon to use the 183 on the Esprit I'd need to buy a tilt-plate for it, it'll almost certainly be tilted a bit from factory (all sensors are really) so with no way to correct it I'd just expect a sad old time using it on the RASA currently haha!
Hope you are keeping well matey!
All the best from us all :-)
Esprit 120 has good blue and green in center. While outer part is awesome in rasa 8".
Agreed!! - Thanks for the feedback Abdul! :-D
Mono looks amazing, but I don't want to have to do that much work. I would love to see what you could get with a Mono camera on your RASA...best of both worlds.
Thank you Jim! - I'm in the same boat really mate, mono is a bit better inherently, but not really dramatically so - making me not fancy the extra work each time if I have the option! :-)
Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion buddy, clear skies!
Very good comparison, Luke.
I think that since the OSC with the NBZ cannot record SII signal, the difference will show up.
Nevertheless, it's very clear that the amount of signal gathered by the uncooled OSC with RASA's fast optics is similar to the cooled with the refractor in OIII and Ha. Maybe a comparison with the mono image processed in those two channels could confirm (or not) that statement.
The difference maybe worth or not, according to the user's preference. But the result of your experiment shows that the OSC is very capable.
Personally, I use a C9.25 EdgeHD with hyperstar (f2.3) and a ASI071MC Pro cooled OSC camera and get very good SNR with the frames and the NBZ filter. No need to go for the monochrome yet, unless I plan to image a very faint object at f10.
Hey there Alfredo my friend! I hope you are keeping well :-)
As I remember from editing the data I can confirm that the HA & OIII of the mono setup, and R & G of the OSC were very similar indeed! Good eye :-)
Totally agree that OSC is incredibly capable, it's easily my preferred way of imaging to be honest with you - great results and much less hassle overall I think!
Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate you taking the time to give it - I really hope you have been able to get some clear skies lately with that beautiful setup of yours!
All the best,
Luke
Yeah, all of my imaging has been done with OSC cooled or DSLR cameras.
If you can, it would be nice to see the comparison between mono with Ha and OIII (HOO palette) and the color data of the OSC which should be also HOO
Hi Luke, fun comparison :)
I like the mono/esprit 120 combo a little better.. but I have to say, I'm really impressed with the OSC/uncooled camera. You're demonstrating that it is possible to get by with an uncooled camera. What are your thoughts on its performance (perhaps a subject for a video). When are you taking darks (I assume a dark library would be a challenge)? Would subs gathered over multiple sessions be an issue (perhaps calibration files are needed for each session?)?
Hey there James! - Thanks so much for watching and giving your feedback mate, I appreciate it! :-)
RE: darks etc, I don't use them with the camera as it happens! I just make sure to dither my subs and it all stacks up nicely from multiple sessions, no problem! :-)
I'm really impressed by it's price/performance ratio, I reckon it's just about unbeatable for the money! (maybe a used modded dslr could be fun in a different way at a similar price point? - not as good sensor though I guess!)
Thanks for stopping by mate!
@@lukomatico That is very impressive. Thanks!
Hi Luke. Mono for me just, but has to be said two great images. The esprit seems to have better resolution. Clear skies
Thank you Rob!! - I prefer the mono too in this case, but it's close! No doubt about it though, that little osc cam can kick some serious backside! :-D
I don’t think there is one I prefer other the other. Both are great images and both similar and different at the same time - which is great! If everyone’s pictures looked the same it would be boring. It is similar to giving ten artists the same still life scene to paint, each will be different. But isn’t that the appeal?
That's a really fantastic way of looking at it Jonathan, thank you very much indeed for that! :-) Clear skies to you my friend!
one scope is never enough 👊👍
Haha!! True words my friend, thank you for watching and commenting!! :-)
The Esprit + 183mm is a chunk better all around I think (better stars, higher res, better contrast, better colours). Not the easiest to absolutely judge from a YT video, but that's the way it appears. I would guess with more integration time the gap would get even bigger.
Thank you!! - It's certainly hard to judge from a YT video, totally agree - I think the Esprit wins it from an image quality standpoint, but the rasa and OSC was a lot more fun to use for me at least, which is worth something! :-D (plus the price of the cameras is pretty crazy!)
Thanks so much for watching :-)
Clear skies!
Well, on my old iPad, which still has decent screen resolution, the RASA appeared as the clear winner. The image appeared sharper.
I likewise use the RASA 8 and the NBZ (the slightly older "Nebula Builder") but with the ASI2600MC. I have attempted to do MM on the RASA 8, and with some success (not complete success), but truthfully, Celestron did not envision people doing mono on the RASA. You can't put a filter wheel on it, and that is a limitation. With the NBZ doing the nebula building, it would be great if you could click a switch and go to a UV/IR or an LP filter in order to get a full spectrum of star colors. Instead of having to laboriously remove the camera and filter to essentially start over from scratch (usually on a different night entirely). Conversely, I use the NBZ to get "Ha data" for face on galaxies when my LP or UV/IR filters don't provide that data well.
I don't know a thing about the OSC camera used here; I sure like the price however. I am caught in the "ZWO net" using the ASIAIR Pro with the advantage that all ZWO stuff works great as long as it's with other stuff by ZWO. Can't say I'm totally happy in that boat, but ASIAIR Pro works via a/c and wifi at home and no wifi and battery power out at a primitive dark site.
The RASA has limitations of course, and I was interested in Shaun Nielsen's new and affordable big Newtonian 8 as a possible alternative.
Thank you for such a great comment Paul!! - Looking at them side by side and temporarily putting cost, effort & enjoyment out of the equation, I personally slightly prefer the Esprit image - but it's darned close! In the real world of course, we can rarely put aside such important factors as cost, effort and enjoyment though - which actually makes the OSC and RASA the overall winner for me!
I really appreciate you taking the time to leave some great feedback, Cheers!!
Good morning sir
Hello!! :-)
@@lukomatico a,m Vivek astronaut
Another great video, Luke! Rosemary and I agree with Dave's assessment right down the line. We can't say which image we like better. It would be interesting to do the mono capture with the RASA, using a filter drawer setup. We may do that with our setup, if we get enought dark sky time, using the RASA 8 + NBZ + colour ASI294 MCP, and our AP Traveler at f/4.5 (472 mm fl) + LRGB. Again, you've piqued our interest. Well done!
Rick & Rosemary
That's just brilliant to hear you guys! - I would like to maybe try mono one day on the rasa, but in truth I just have so much fun shooting OSC with it that I'd have a hard time talking myself into doing it!! :-D
Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, all the best!
Luke
I have to give a thumbs up to the mono version. Broader color range, slightly more detail visible in the fine structure. Star bloom is a fact of life with OSC' even the higher end like the ASI2600MC-P (also affected by the filter used). I just made the switch to mono (and of course have had almost no observable nights since). But in the few test images I made I have been pleased with the difference. More post processing times, but some things, like noise reduction, are much easier/simpler with mono images. It also takes a change in perspective since it can take several nights with a mono rig to get a full set of images. Not better or worse, just a different approach.
Hey there Clayton! - Thank you so much for sharing your experience and opinion!!
Huge congratulations on the 2600MM-P by the way, what a lovely camera :-)
Both ways of imaging have their own appeal, I agree totally! I do like mono imaging, but I personally enjoy shooting OSC the most, it's just the one that brings me more joy!
Thank you for watching, and hopefully clear skies on the way soon so you can enjoy that new camera bud!
It’s astonishing how much better the refractor is with mono…. I thought the RASA would be able to keep up, it really didn’t though on any level… Shows how important a good camera is I guess.
Glad you found this useful mate! :-) Thanks for watching!
Both images are worth a spot on a wall. However, I have a soft spot for OSC, and that one is very impressive.
Hey Johnnie!! - Thanks so much dude, that's awesome to hear you like both shots :-D - I too have a serious soft spot for OSC imaging, it's my favourite way to do it really!
Both are great but I like the OSC better. How did you manage the amp glow on the 183 specifically, if you remeber, because its notoriously bad on that camera?
Thank you! It can be difficult to calibrate, but we made sure to use fully matched dark frames when calibrating, so they were perfectly equal in gain, offset, temperature and exposure length :-) Hope that helps!
Having shot both OSC and now mono, I defiantly like Mono better. Also to the untrained eye the wont notice the noise in the uncooled camera compared to the 183mm. I ran the 183mc on my hyperstar for a while, Then sold the hyperstar and 183 and moved up to the 268m 😉. I am more of a wide field guy so even though I like the 102ED look better , the FOV of the Rasa wins
Thanks for your feedback Steve!! - The 268m is a lovely camera, congratulations my friend! :-)
I'm glad to see you like things about both images, that's a positive outlook! - I think the FOV of the rasa and an APS/C cam would be incredible fun to use... watch this space! :-)
Clear skies buddy!
I just love narrowband too much both photos are great though 😁
Thank you for watching mate! :-D I actually have a part 3 of this coming soon on a new target!
Clear skies!
Wow! Great images both. I am staying with OSC since image time is limited here with cloudy skies etc.. Mono is perhaps better but OSC can achieve incredible results too.
You have come such a long way from when you had to lift your rig in and out of your back room on your deck.
Looking good!
Thank you so much Mike! - I love osc for the same reason mate, can't beat getting an image captured in full colour in no time flat!
Thank you for the perspective by the way, things really have came along nicely!! :-)
Clear skies!
I prefer the tighter stars of the refractor
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Neil!! :-)
One day i hope
Thanks for watching and commenting Tareq buddy!! Clear skies :-)
I prefer Chloe's image but the osc isn't far off
🤓 I like the mono version for its more natural color transition. But I own 2 OSC simply for convenience (or me being lazy)🤣
Totally hear ya dude!!! I like the mono image slightly better, but I really enjoy OSC imaging best of all, so that's what I do most! :-D Thanks for commenting!
Both Images look great! However the RASA and the OSC take it for me. Easier to see the details, they just pop out more.
Thank you so much Rahul!! - I'm glad you like both shots my friend :-D hope you have a great rest of your weekend!
How did you get that 1 inch sensor to work with RASA , that is small sensor , do you use some focal reducers ?
The RASA do not accept focal reducer, they are f/2. You can use a small sensor or a full frame sensor without problems
@@jesuspineiro1622 I know you can but you waste a lot of light . Jesus Christ i dont know what is the image scale on RASA but its probably at least full frame if not bigger . So with 1inch sensor , you are wasting 17/18th of light , or image area
Becase 18 of those 1inch sensor can fit on a full frame .
That is like having a picture then cutting out 1/18th part of it .
Thats a waste if you ask me .
Hi Pavle! - As Jesus says, the RASA cannot accept any focal reducers etc :-)
RE: small sensor and wasting potential image space - You're right, there's wasted light but it's the best sensor I have available currently, if I had a bigger sensor I'd be using it for sure! :-D
I hope soon to get an APS/C size astro cam though!
Thanks for watching and giving feedback guys!
@@lukomatico I dont have it as well , i roll with 550D and 5D , maybe get 6D soon , im not sure if you can put DSLRs in front of RASA , probably you could , a small one like 4000D wouldn't make all that much difference .
You can mod it easy .
You probably knew that .
@@dedskin1 The RASA 8" does not accept DSLRs because of the short backfocus. The RASA's backfocus is very precise to keep the flat field. The RASA 11 can use a DSLR, but it covers a large area of light path. It is always better to use astro cameras of smaller diameter, although they can be fullframe without problems.
like the esprit picture better
Thank you for your feedback!! Clear skies my friend :-)
Refractor has better star dynamic range and color. Rasa has beautiful wide field and bright and contrasty nebula. If I could reproduce either effort I’d think I did a good night’s work.
Thank you so much James!! I'm real glad you have found both images beautiful in their own ways, I appreciate your input!!
Clear skies my friend :-)
i prefer the rasa version.maybe more full well camera could slove the bridht star problem.
Totally agree that an even deeper fullwell would help! - maybe I could have imaged at a lower gain setting to help overcome that! :-) Thanks so much for the feedback!
Both are great images but the osc camera is bang for buck way ahead of the mono rig imho.
Agreed Richard! - Unbeatable bang for buck! :-) Thanks for watching mate!!
Hyperstar or Rasa? your thoughts would be good 🕸
That's a tough one mate! - I think if you'd be looking to spend 90% of your time shooting at hyperstar/rasa speeds, then go with the RASA - it's a dedicated, purpose built scope so is going to be, generally speaking, better than a bolt-on solution like Hyperstar (in my opinion!)
If however you're planning on switching between setups a lot, spending a more even split in your imaging time using the scope at F10 and F2 then Hyperstar makes a lot of sense I think :-)
Hope that helps!
@@lukomatico Yer thanks for that Luke as i was 60% swayed towards the rasa.. the hyperstar was more a cheaper option, but i know I would have regretted it.. now i just gotta save and wait..