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Can you play METAL on a P90 pickup?
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2018
- This age old question will be answered once and for all in this historic video.
Thanks to our guest Eric for playing the guitar.
Fralin Hum Cancelling Pickup:
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Of course can, Tony Iommi used p90 when he create a heavy metal
There are zero similarities between old Black Sabbath and Meshuggah or Cannibal Corpse.
When heavy metal was barely heavy
KroqueJa nothing demoed in this video is anything like either of those bands either
Ricardo Rodríguez is a Millennial.
Uh bro, you go and ask the dudes in both Meshuggah and CC and they will both say Iommi was an influence, and without Black Sabbath, nothing that is what we call Metal would have existed in the same way.
The "guitar screams uncontrollably" thing makes me want one tbh
P90s gave birth to metal with Sabbath
So true! Well put!
You are so weird... good job
Gotta stand out in some way.
Wanmohan 😂😂😂😂
@Daxton Legend damn! It took more like 25 minutes but it worked! You're great man
You say weird, I say likeable lol
Standard sounds waaaay better than noise canceling version.
Way more clarity and high end in the standard
More sizzle
@@TheAkd89
I hear the mids pulled back in the hum cancelling.
EZPZ, just turn down the tone knob to a 6 or 7, and add slightly more distortion than you would with a humbucker. That’s why I love my les paul special - very versatile, handles pretty much all levels of distortion like a champ.
Great video. I use my Gibson Les Paul BFG, dual P90's, for metal every Thursday. A cheap noise gate (low-medium threshold) and I'm off and running. They sound killer. Old school, Gibson P90's are fantastic pickups.
P90s birthed metal, but also I've seen grind shows with fender jaguars, everything can be used for metal
I never leave the house, but I’ve always seen Jazzmasters used for the nastiest tones.
@@riffwizardsupreme I believe Alcest had many of their albums made with a jazzmaster, in case you're interested. It's rather post-metal but it's better to recommend good music anyways haha
Sounds to me like the noise cancelling p90 loses some of its high end bite.
Yeah, but not as much as a humbucker.
agree
Thats cause its basically a mini humbucker
Mojotone quiet coil... silent "BRIGHT" P90s...
Some of the mid frequencies are more recessed than the standard P90.
It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise as a side by side humbucker does something similar.
If you get a pair of reverse wound p90 s it will cancel out the hum when both pickups are on and turned up full. This is the same way the pickups on a regular Fender Jazz bass comes wired.
Can you play metal with p90s?
Everyone here: tony iommi
It's the truth.
Sheep
@@napoleonsolo5929 🐑🐏🐑🐏
@@redacted5035 but it's still correct. Black Sabbath, which is recognized by many (especially in America) as the first heavy metal band used p90 pickups for most of their famous works.
The standard P-90 has more presence. Hum cancelling a P-90 defeats the natural tone and makes it sound muffled. Also, P-90’s have a lot more of a mid focused tone than humbuckers do. That’s what makes them so different.
The silent p90s at the moment just aren't very good. Someone will nail it in the end. Though I have to say, under high gain, a very bright top end can become hashy.
The Lindy Fralin P90 pickups are a Sidewinder style humbucking pickup. It was originally developed by Bill Lawrence. The coils each have bar magnets in the center, in horizontal orientation facing the poles.
Toni Iommi, mostly p90s nuff said
He's not a reference for metal tone though
@@abcrx32j of course he is
@@lukaskuipers7791 It's too weak for today's metal unless you want a classic rock sound
@@abcrx32j modern metal doesn't need nearly as much distortion as you'd think
@@lukaskuipers7791 Nobody is talking about just distortion though
Dude, you're hilarious and informative. You got my support!
Thanks! We'll keep it up, promise.
In my opinion, I prefer the sound of the true single coil, the “airy” quality of P90’s is fully on display, and how much treble it has. I love Fralin, but I personally will stick with a noise gate and a true single coil. Great video!
Can you play metal on a P90 pick up?
Tony Iommi create metal with P90 pick up...
p90s and fuzz go hand in hand!!!!
Good to know. The big muff is a lifestyle.
Oh yea. P90's are perfect for sludge metal
This guy makes me want to drink tiny wines in my basement
I dunno
@@shugo541 haha
I recently bought a Gibson Firebird studio 2018 with P90's and it metals like no other. Very tight and precise single notes and nice warmth in the chords, and the the beautiful clean stuff, couldn't be happier:) Plus, this video helped me convincing myself, so thanx
Did u use a noise gate?
@@axesofjusticeguitarworksho7275 Yes, but not a very good one since it doesnt take away the full hum. One has to be quick with the volume button haha. Im aiming for the Engl fireball 25 watts that has one built in so maybe that will be better. It takes a little more tweaking, and not every amp will react the same to the p90's so its about getting the right combination of guitar and amp.
I have never wanted to tune a "B" string so bad in my entire history of wanting to tune a "B" string.
Great video ! I have Humbuckers in all of my guitars except one Gibson P90 Les Paul guitar....I love P90s and I love the right Humbuckers.
The P90 has a very unique "quack" and a unique scream. The P90 guitar was the last guitar purchase that I made. I am glad I did.
My first "out of tune" comment! Checking it off on my bingo card.
I like straight forward answers... that "Yes☝" Haha. You got me.
Subbed!
P90s sound great. They just hum like crazy.
jimbo9357 noise gate my friend is your friend 😎
I have noiseless jazz bass pickups and its three bobbins and two coils on one set of pole pieces. I have seen others where its two coils, two strings beside each other on a normal bobbin (like a pbass pickup under one cover) I just looked it up and the Fralin p90 is like a sidwinder; two sideways coils opposing each other on one set of pole pieces whereas a standard p90 is just a short, fat single coil.
Great video, I had a Bareknuckle Pig-90 pickup custom made after watching it to put in my p90 Gibson SG. Eventually I went back to humbucking pickups, replacing it with a p90 sized Bill Lawrence L-500XL. This pickup was infinitely more responsive, more aggressive, and noiseless. You can play metal on a p90....but there are better options out there.
The hum canceling version sounds like the original with the tone turned down. I'll take the hum for the P90 tone!
I love playing my LP Special thru a Metal Zone haha. It sounds so angry.
I use duncan designed p90 on my jazzmaster DIY.. great tone, warmer,& noiseless
how did you not know this youtube channel
very nice video, and quality
Thank you very much. It's pretty new still with infrequent uploads.
I get the feeling he's into black metal, good job bro.
The guy from Uncle Acid uses a P90 - I imagine with a noise cancelling pedal in his pedal chain. P90s are ok for the kind of tones where it's guitar > overdrive > fuzz > clean vintage amp if you've got an Ns2 or similar somewhere in there from my experience
Yeah, it doesn't have to be humbuckers. Those just tend to work pretty well for 95% of high gain players.
technical point--P-90s do not CREATE hum, they simply allow us to hear the natural background radiation of our Universe. (And nearby electrical systems).
did he actually not mention using a noise gate ? when that's the most obvious and most efficient solution, and a lot of metal guitarists already have one ?
If you use too much gain with a noisy pickup, your gate will either not close reliably and require you to turn down the volume knob every time or not open reliably cutting off a lot of your playing. At some point the difference in levels between noise and actual playing becomes just too small for a gate to work properly, especially in a loud setting, which is why the noise cancelling pickup is so useful.
@@uselesstunes3888 you can put the noise gate before the amp, with a much lower threshold. It won't cut the noise added by the amp (well, you can use a second gate after the preamp, but that might be a bit much) but it'll cut the hum very well.
In your video, it doesn't seem like the hum-cancelling P90 is that much quieter than the regular one. The noise has a different frequency but it's totally still there
@@wombat6 We tried using a gate that detects before the amp and gates in the FX loop. The feedback just builds up too quickly for that to work. With the noise cancelling one it worked fine. This may only be a sample size of one, but for this it did make a difference.
Noise gates suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@@liamtahaney713 are you for real
10/10 for unique presentation.👍
Metal was invented on P90's. Nuff said
World best guitar butler voice right here, your like the crazy English butler I never had but hear in my head
Kitty Marlu he’s german...
Man I need a secondary guitar with P90s. I freaking LOVE early Black Sabbath tone. Say what you will but those early Iommi riffs were as heavy as anything with taste....although to the bands credit, Black Sabbath's rhythm section made those guitar riffs sound so much fuller.
I prefer a humbucker, but p90s give you kind of a similar tone to single coils, and I love heavily distorted single coils, it would be nice to have a secundary guitar with p90s
Paul Samson played a p90 !!! He sounded like a beast!!!
Great review! Very clear with great sound samples!
Can't you noise cancel by switching to use neck and bridge P90 pickups at the same time? I was curious to hear how both would sound at the highest gain.
The question is why wouldn't you play metal on a p-90?
Personally I love P-90s. Kind of bought a PRS SE with P-90s by accident. Best mistake I've ever made and don't need to buy another guitar ever again (need and won't are different).
As to all the "who made heavy metal" garbage, Tony Iommi himself does not claim that crown, but he might nod politely in your direction if you mention it.
I wish most videos that have questions in the title of their videos started off like this one.
Far be it for me to waste your time.
Dropped a pair of P94s im my Les Paul. It sounds massive in C standard.
"I'm Pickle Rickkkkk" Thank you for answering my question on p90's and metal playing.👍🤘
The guitarist of doom metal band Trouble use a SG Jr. with P90 and sounds greats.
Ok boomer
Fuckyeah!! Hes got a great tone
Bruce Franklin!
Fun vid ..great presentation 👏... mojotone quiet coils "P90" are spot on "bright" p90s, but silent... and I do mean dead quiet.
As others mentioned, with a reverse wound neck pickup the middle becomes silent and is also Great sounding...
Single coils... there's nothing like the articulation of that bite...so for more extreme forms of metal with high BPMs and right hand insanity? done right they make sense... i swear by mojotone quiet coil technology (you have to try them) Dimarzio Area pickups and the Heavy Blues, Injector and even "Chopper" all quack like crazy and sound SICK w high gain...
2:00 P-90 Metal
For more high gain stuff without being a lindy fraylin panzie, flip the magnet and wiring on one p90, so in the the centre switch position it creates ONE HUGE MOTHER OF HUMBUCKERS that is actually the two p90s.
"lindy fraylin panzie"
Get your fragile ego checked. It's starting to crack.
@Homo Chomsky Defending your purchase, are you? Brought a set of panzie pick-ups, did you? To "cancel the noise" instead of being a real man and embracing it. Its ok buddy some of us eat steak raw in the middle and chop down trees for firewood 🪵 🪓💪🏻 - others ask for extra soy in their coffee at Starbucks. It's ok, buddy, we're all different. Give me a hug, you big panzie, we'll make a real man out of you yet!
The high gain sounded like the "insane" channel on a line6, that being said, almost anything would feedback with that much gain.
Sounded great! could use regular p90s for some dank black metal glam metal & heavy metal. try a noisegate!
Thanks. Noise gates are great, but they become a bit tricky to use with very noisy pickups in high gain situations. You have less wiggle room with your threshold between the gate cutting off too quickly or not quickly enough. It might come down to a choice of either having your attacks and sustained notes cut off, or the gate not closing soon enough for it to clamp down on excessive feedback. We actually ran into that issue with this exact guitar before fitting the noise cancelling P90, which resolved the issue.
For nearly three seconds, I thought this was Ben Crowe from Crimson Guitars before he shaved his head.
That into cracked me up. Take my "like"
P90 is killer!! Other intentions and tones. Provide versatility!! New user P90 xD
My mom wants my old Les Paul p90 special lol I want an Sg
Tony Iommi uses p90
Man I took the armstrong out and put a agile humbucker in.
The P90 IS the classic single coil.
Tony iommi
this is Quenton reviews from the Metalocalypse universe
Really informative video thanks!
John Browne makes p90's sound incredible
I'm trying to turn a shovel into a Jerry rigged Whamola, all I need is a 6 ft (2 meters) bass string and a p-90. Yes I have my heart set on a single coil p-90.
Does anyone know where I could special order those things?
I like the power caster...... P90 with a Humbucker
Playing metal on single coils and P90's is great, as long as you have your noise gate threshold cranked to almost the max lol.
I have a Gibson robot guitar from 2010- the fireball or whatever it was called. Well it has been sitting in my closet for the better part of the last 2 years because the robot part crapped out on me. I’m about to take it to guitar center and have them replace the ugly tuners, the mismatched tone and volume knobs,, the ugly bridge, replace the wiring and pots, and replace the p90 and humbucker.. I would love to know what pickups you guys think I should drop in to get the best sound for playing metal such as megadeth. I had a Jackson guitar and loved it and want my les Paul to sound like Dave mustaines old Jackson V.
You can play metal with a P90...on a thick, juicy Orange amp
I actually thought the noise cancelling dumbed the tone down too much. The standards sounded way better - ignoring the noise pain in the ass.
Yeah with a shit ton of feedback
Your eyes is staring thru my soul...
thank you brother
not metal player but ray toro from MCR use p90 too in high gain
Sounds like evh tone
No problem with hum with my EHX Humdebugger pedal.. Put any gear on it and it`s silent
Nice job man 👍🏼
Add orange drop caps. 500k pots. Out of phase
Well done video!
Those cheap yibuy humbucker pickups especially those sd invader clones.
Trust me it sounds like p90s.
No kidding, I have it installed on my project Les paul
Nobody ever thought about using a noise gate with P90s and single coils when playing with high gain distortion?
I've thought about it. In fact, I made a video addressing your very point.
Dude.. Metal was invented with P-90s..
Metal was born from the P90 so yeah that's about right.
Steve von till use it!!! And it metals
What if you just use a noise cancelling pedal?
Noise gates perform better with lower noise pickups.
wasnt metal created on a p90? black sabbath
You need more subs lol
Metal was invented on p90 pickups
Seymour Duncan P90 stack. It’s much quieter and rocks the metal!
why did i think he was playing call of ktulu for his demo lmao
0:03 the red pill please
Fuck yes u can..
i use p90's ,just use a good noise gate !
You mean like a low pass filter at 8k?
@@quattro4468 No , a noise gate will turn the volume down to zero once the signal from your guitar is under a designated volume .
Early Black sabbath.... End of the video
P90's can do everything a humbucker can , but sounding better while doing it . Unless you play trash metal , you can do very good with a P90 . Specially Bare Knuckles . My LP Junior has one and It kills !
I dunno...my Les Paul Standard has giant thick tones...I use my Les Paul Special for cleaner stuff.
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Oblivion NPC conversation has arrived, finally.
Couldn't you use a noise gate?
Yes and no. At some point the noise can't be distinguished from the actual signal. At that point you can set up your noise gate to either open up too often and create uncontrollable feedback or not open up fast enough cutting off your notes. Very high volumes and gain settings make the life of a noise gate hard enough as it is.
I hate that word guitarist use for a filter
No sé ingles, pero me gusto el vídeo ✌🏻
Yeah but do they work on down tuned guitar?
It has been used on D Standard and sometimes Dropped C for months now without any noticeable problems. I don't see why it wouldn't also work on even lower tunings.
@@uselesstunes3888 awesome thanks for replying!
Thumb up for pickle rick....