Be weird to think a civilisation could just be 1 guy per solar system, just popping out of their virtual reality every million years to make sure non of the other 100 guys in the star cluster took any of your stuff. Or started messing up your layers of defences. Then going back online and playing GTA 500 with them.
@@thehangingbandits checking around your home and see shield world alpha has been literally covered in toilet paper with insults, memes and copypastas written on every inch of the mummified planet.
Well, there are 17 year cicadas. There are bears. There are humans, who spend a third of their lives dormant. From the viewpoint of something with a life cycle as long as a bacterium, the human sleep cycle would seem a very long time, the hibernation of a bear eternity, and cicadas' life cycle time enough to evolve to something entirely else.
The ice caps melt and a giant alien awakens "thanks guys I was sleeping on my arm weird, okay here's a fusion reactor blueprint and some sun shade space ships now let me go back to sleep."
10:30 in our first interspecies war while your top scientists are hacking into the universal code, then you see at the bottom left of your eyesight: "gamemode updated to creative"
These discussions of hibernating aliens remind me of an old late 80s video game called Starflight. The bulk of this game consisted of exploration and resource management. Among the resources that you needed to find were high energy crystals for powering space craft. In this video game there was evidence of an ancient race in the galaxy but the ancients themselves had never been found. The plot twist is that the bodies of the ancient aliens being searched for we’re actually the high energy crystals needed for space flight. But, because the ancient race moved so slowly in relation to the upstart biological races no one noticed.
The "Dancers at the end of time" series has an interesting possible take, with humans at some point in time having given up exploring space and have constructed machines which siphoned energy from the rest of the universe to allow the people of earth to do whatever they wanted. Eventually this kills off the entire universe and would also kill off the earth too except for them creating a bubble of time to exist in repeatedly for the rest of eternity. The people of this world are utterly incurious about the universe as a whole and had no idea this was going on, even laughing at/mostly ignoring aliens who come to earth to warn them of the approaching doom.
Just had an idea. So, what if the aliens hibernate because they want other life to evolve naturally and gain intelligence so they can later assimilate new and unique consciousnesses and biologies? They don't want to influence the growth in any way in the hopes that new novel forms of life come about. I know there are counters to this and it certainly can't solve the Fermi paradox, but its just a thought I had at the start of the episode that might be addressed at some point in the video.
What if the solution to the Fermi Paradox is that, once a civilization reaches a certain size (in population or expansion) it will get so caught up in its inner affairs that it stagnates and can't expand any further?
as population increases, so does the chance that a new ambitious dictator type is born, who creates internal struggle, fight for resources, and an inward focus.
18:55 “There’s often an assumption that a sufficiently powerful computer, if built, would know all the answers to Life, the Universe and everything” And as everyone knows, it would be 42.
What's scary is that if the limits of technology turn out to be insane and we're absolutely not even close. Then these aliens really could crush even k3 civilizations like ants.
It's pretty safe to say that we aren't even close. We've only discovered the periodic table of baryonic elements recently, still have mere guess as to the nature of dark matter, probably haven't discovered half of the subatomic elements, have no way to figure out if there are subatomic elements smaller or more fundamental than photons, and haven't discovered any useful forms of stable non-baryonic matter (ie, rearrange quarks etc. to create stable matter in configurations other than protons/neutrons/electrons). Biological computers and quantum computing are still in their infancy (and I suspect we're going to one day discover that biological brains take advantage of quantum computing, in at least a minor way.) And, as IA pointed out... even in a fight between K3 civilizations, the guy with 10 fully colonized galaxies will absolutely crush someone with 1 underdeveloped galaxy.
Just wanna point out that the reason the Reapers hibernate is to specifically harvest the cultures that arise in the time they are asleep, and preserve them, before anyone can build some super weapon that sterilizes the whole galaxy
Thats is an interesting concept. And It could make sense. But What if that weapon was what caused the "big bang" and "They" are like: "no we can't let that happen again! " And with that concept in mind, How many big bangs have there been throughout throughout the eternity? Its a interesting concept. * And I say they, cause I have a hard time buying the idea of some singular Star Trek Q like Omnipotent being, going and fucking around in the universe willy nilly.
I love the fact that this comment thread is as close to unnecessarily nitpicky as Isaac's channel gets. I do believe I am the biggest dick in this particular instance. but both of you are ballers in your civility and eloquence. I know this has nothing to do with this comment thread I've just been in too deep in other channels threads tonight and I just wanted to say thank you for being awesome.
Always an awesome day whenever Arthur mentions Alastair Reynolds work!!! I first heard about his work from you and now he’s my favourite living author.
I always figured a civilization that lived on a world that had a elliptical orbit around its parent star would go Into hibernation... Interesting thought.
The Necrons from Warhammer 40K is also a great example of hibernating aliens. A race that has only a few individuals in it, but each one is very much godlike.
Over a long enough period of time, an intergalactic species might spread out over ‘the timeline’ as they spent linear time in different temporal-spatial regions of the universe. If every ship spent a different amount of time near black holes, for instance, they would be in entirely different ‘nows’
One reason for hibernating powerful Aliens, might be to mine creativity! To awake and conquer, to find the newest foods, fashions, and toys.. Then return to your dreams, with new ideas..
I just think that it is rare enough for everything to align such as communication and the ability to use tools that we don’t have anyone close enough to have detected them yet.
Honestly, I would have to disagree with the idea that you don't need to know how to unfreeze people that have been put into hibernation until later on in the mission. First of all, it might be difficult to get people to volunteer to be frozen if you don't necessarily know how to resuscitate them. Secondly, if you don't know how to unfreeze someone from hibernation then by extension you don't necessarily know how to properly freeze and manage their frozen bodies in order to be able to wake people up from hibernation. Thirdly, if you freeze people without knowing how to thaw them out in advance then you don't even know whether or not it's even possible. It's also possible that you could discover that it is possible but you don't have the right resources to resuscitate someone because you didn't know what would be required to make the process work when you launched.
...people that are close to death may well volunteer for a chance of a long life in the future. Also, I, may be wrong here, but I think that freezing is super simple and couldn't have much management other than maintaining the temperature. Nothing is supposed to move, so it can't be super tricky.
...I mean... those problems are all real, but so are the problems of _not_ getting frozen. If you _don't_ get frozen, there is a 100% chance of death within a few decades. No way around those odds.
I'm not sure if B5's Shadows really count as "regularly hibernating aliens" as the only reason they were doing so is because they lost the previous war with the Vorlons. So it was less "we like to hibernate to let other cultures develop around us" and more "we've been in hiding for the last thousand years repairing the damage and we've only just now gotten to a point where we can start to act on a larger scale". Also, the Shadows aren't trying to "kill off any advanced civilizations while leaving a few primitive worlds alone". They are advocating for their preferred method of custodianship over the galaxy and their belief that the best way for the younger races to grow is to pit them against each other because "conflict breeds strength" while the Vorlons believe that the best way for the younger races to grow is for them to be carefully controlled and monitored, because strength comes from obedience.
10:30 There are two types of gods. The One who created the universe, and the other that either got through the Big Crunch or a barrier from another universe.
Anybody else here read Karl Schroeder's "Lockstep?" It's one of my favorite books, and it deals with a human civilization that sleeps and wakes en masse according to an agreed-upon schedule. One reason they do it is conservation. For instance, the story's dominant "Lockstep" wakes one month out of every thirty years. This gives ample time for their robot servitors to clean up after the last month-long "turn," fix the damage they caused to their planet's environment, build up another month's worth of goodies and necessities, and so on. It also allows for a kind of pseudo-starflight without FTL. You board your ship, settle into your "cicada bed" for a nice long nap, and take off. Your drive doesn't have to be very fancy -- a "mere" ion drive will do -- because every destination you can reach will adhere to the same Lockstep schedule, so for you, every planet is just a night's sleep away. It's a very interesting and engaging concept, but as far as Isaac's argument is concerned it has at least two problems: 1. I can think of no good reason why a Lockstep should choose to sleep whole centuries or even millennia away. 2. Even if one did, and a whole new sentient species arose while it slept, the newbies would find out about them the hard way because their robot servitors would swiftly act to prevent any interference with their masters or their masters' property. -- WITHOUT having to wake said masters at all. So much for Cthulhu?
With all the threats within galaxies such as novas, black holes, gamma rays, pulsars, etc, etc.... maybe they get the hell out of galaxies asap? Maybe we should be looking for extragalactic/rogue star systems?
Very simple game theory models almost completely rule this out as a solution to the Fermi Paradox. It's just...it's just a bad bet for survival because no matter what, it's a losing scenario. One either gets destroyed while they're asleep or wakes up to a universe that's nearing maximum entropy.
Bad examples. The Reapers do the whole thing specifically because they value what they are taking from the emerging intelligent species and civilizations. They don't care about resources, they want people who they can process to create new reapers. The Shadows from B5 are also not trying to wipe out life or civilizations, the whole periodic destruction is their method of gardening, they want the younger races to become stronger trough conflict.
Isaac, this time the Nebula pitch kinda got me. IDK why. I never much cared about those at neither your channel nor others I watch. But this time... for the first time ever I'm actually considering the subscription.
I think I finally understood the fallen empires of Stellaris… Who has the best tech in the galaxy but sit their and do nothing, until new civilisations rise up and surpass them.
@@ceterfo Isaac Arthur is definitely a Stellaris fan. He mentioned of liking strategy games, and most of his videos are relevant in Stellaris in some ways, and he even use its soundtracks. There is a mod called Gigastructures, which features most megastructures features on this channel.
Or, what if the universe is in fact a simulation and the hibernating aliens are just the masters of that simulation going in personally with God-Mode on, or sending in their prisoners to hand-scrub the place clean (sorta like ordering somebody to hand-scrub the Augean Stables with toothbrushes for eternity)?
There is one issue I think deserves mention: It is very likely not all species are biologically compatible to being frozen. E.g. baseline humans might not be. Also, it is very unlikely any civilization will go into storage willingly and virtually impossible every one will do so. Even though a whole civilization orbiting a black hole for storage in a space with extreme time dilation would be fascinating. Even if to ask them and find out why anbody would do that alone. Btw, my Femri solution is that any civilization advanced enough to be noticed has outgrown the need to do the kinds of things we would notice. E.g. they could build a dyson sphere, sure, but at the point they could do it they just have no reason they would anymore. Their technology simply makes the whole idea obsolete because in order to gain that ability, they had to advance to a point were actually doing that has become pointless. Most likely they are completely spaceborn and self-sufficient, having left planetside life beyond centuries earlier. That and any product of a sufficiently advanced species is likely indistinguishable from nature.
I've been on a ancient Greek history kick for hot minute now, and whenever there would be like civil wars or political disagreements that split the population of a polis they would literally found a new city. that's what Greek colonies were spawns of social strife in one way or another. I know only tangently relevant to an entire civilization going on ice. And I would like to say thank you for being utterly awesome, I hope you have a good day every day.
He has convinced me we could be a type 2 by 2250 or close to it. Maybe i shouldnt have binged Andromeda but I think we may be the seed for the galaxy, the ones to evolve to other planets, change worlds, and spark life.
That does seem a tad optimistic, but then again I do hope for that even sooner than 2250. As many problems as we may have, going into any given comment section on this channel gives me hope that we will expand our beautiful chaos. I hope you are having a good day.
Is there any scenario where two planets could collide in the fashion depicted in your graphics, or would gravity pull one or both apart at their Roche limit? If they could collide while basically intact, would it be quick, i.e. a few hours of terror then total annihilation? Or would it take days or even weeks?
Oh my that's interesting. I'm just throwing down this comment to try and boost this comment and the algorithm, and hopefully this will be one of the few when some fellow nerd answers it I actually read it.
I think it depends a lot on the impact velocity but that would (not sure but intuitively it seems so) be so high the collision would be over quickly ( max a few hours) Again thats my intuition, if we crunched the numbers we'd know better :)
As an avid reader of webnovels... all I can say: maybe they are not hibernating, maybe they are just living their lives in deep dive VRMMO. They have nothing else to do after all - may as well have a life in some fantasy setting.
Star Trek, especially Voyager have used a small scale version of this. One a race of warriors that eventually got their butts kicked by their annoyed neighbours followed of the survivors to hibernate in wait for their enemies to give up. Another hibernated waiting for their homeworld to recover after some global disaster but as a civilization they where doomed since there was only a handful of them.
I'm actually curious about the "malevolent/incomprehensible" angles that could lead to this. You hibernate to let new species grow, then wake, then harvest... because that's literally the only thing you can eat. For some reason, your species somehow developed a need to consume intelligent spacefaring civilisations in particular. You can't eat anything else. You can't safely/realistically farm them for some reason. But you can nap for a few hundred thousand years while new ones grow and take over, then wake up to eat them all. Horrifying but impractical/improbably but... maybe plausible?
I like to think that a hibernating species may simply do it out of biological reasons. Maybe it is extremely long lived and needs to have these times of rest to let their non-human brains be able to deal with all the sensation they have to deal with during their existence.
If I could be so bold to say... I think in a few decades they will say, 'this beast sounds like it's straight from Isaac Arthur-ian or love craft-ian lore.'
I had a cool idea for a book where the ultra rich and powerful give all their possessions to others to be their guardians/ custodians while they stay in a simulation or hibernation. All the drama that would arise from that type of civilization would be interesting to explore I think. (If it hasn't already been written )
My faction has achieved perfection. Because all change to society is therefore deterioration, we freeze ourselves, all but stopping our thoughts, to prevent change, and only awaken the minimal amount of people and resources needed to stop threats against us.
I hope you're doing well, I don't know how long you've been offline but I would recommend not going into the comment sections of most other channels right now. People are stressed. I've been making that mistake. Would not recommend.
I would be very careful with waking up a civilization . I would most definitely do the most research and try and figure out what their motivation to being in ice. Awesome video thanks. Comment by Erick Guzman Garcia
Well.. one thing to take away is the fearful intrigue of why does it seem like nothing's out there.. when there obviously is ... It's impossible that we are alone
if you're waiting for the stars to burn out for the universe to get cold, wouldn't you be better off lifting them until they're just above brown dwarf mass, or possibly using fusion candles to lift even more.
What if space fairing civilizations are cyclical like cicadas? Where they get just advanced enough to spread out before something happens that stops them from continuing. So there are multiple civilizations arising all at once, and they will all become active around the same times until they go quiet again.
The idea of subjective time is intriguing. I wonder if people who have more frequent thoughts, say 60 per minute, experience a day as taking longer than someone who has fewer, say 15.
Yes. I experience time around 2.5 to 3 times as fast as normal people. Took a long time to adjust to it. I hated writing because of how glacially slow it was for me.
One nitpick; the Shadows of B5 weren't out to kill everybody. They were out to cull the weak and spur evolution and technological advancement (kick over the ant hills and get Bobby to fight Timmy to see who was best; that kind of thing). So, like all the best villains, they thought they were the heroes of the story . . . Otherwise, a very good analysis of the subject.
Okay, not on the topic on this video, but i don't really know wher to post it. Ther is a think in some apocaliptic movies/book about escaping inpending doom with spaceship. While its resonable in some cases (when the event would harm more than just a planet), wouldn't better solution be to just pick mars?
How about Sleeping aliens that want to save all life, like literally save it all onto a hard drive, wait for radio waves, send out a fleet, upload all lifeforms or intelligent ones into digital forms. Then come back so that new life can begin on those life seeding planets
That's essentially what the Reapers from Mass Effect is doing. Come onto the scene every 50.000 years, gather up all the knowledge of the advanced civilizations in the galaxy, and wipe them out before someone accidentially creates an AI that wipes out ALL biological life.
@@dragon12234 No real reason to think that AI can supersede consciousness that biological life can produce or it's productivity... just because many of us perceive ourselves as being too lazy and stupid to pose such a threat.
You should read the Getter Robo manga series (Getter Robo, Getter Robo G, Shin Getter Robo, Getter Robo Go, Getter Robo Arc); it starts as a semi-standard super robot story before turning into buddhist cosmic horror in Shin Getter Robo. The whole series is less than ten volumes long and it's a comic book, so you could read through them pretty quick.
I like the idea that a giant brain could slow down thought to have deeper thoughts. A planet sized 🧠 would run into the speed of light as a limiter. Thinking slower effectively negates that limitation. Human lifespan lasts one Matroska brain thought makes communication difficult.
Maybe they just periodically come out to weed their garden? Maybe they exist in some virtual or telepresent environment that requires maintenance of a physical body.
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Be weird to think a civilisation could just be 1 guy per solar system, just popping out of their virtual reality every million years to make sure non of the other 100 guys in the star cluster took any of your stuff. Or started messing up your layers of defences. Then going back online and playing GTA 500 with them.
- Player 56 has left the party
(Everyone peaks out from their VR headsets to check their defense networks)
Let's be real here. Best case scenario, it would be GTA 7.
Galactic Theft Auto?
@@shoujahatsumetsu true, laughed when I heard GTAV was coming to the series X
@@thehangingbandits checking around your home and see shield world alpha has been literally covered in toilet paper with insults, memes and copypastas written on every inch of the mummified planet.
Well, there are 17 year cicadas. There are bears. There are humans, who spend a third of their lives dormant. From the viewpoint of something with a life cycle as long as a bacterium, the human sleep cycle would seem a very long time, the hibernation of a bear eternity, and cicadas' life cycle time enough to evolve to something entirely else.
The solution to the Fermi Paradox is that it's naptime right now. 😁
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 definitely naptime. We had it in Kindergarten, why not do it on a species-wide scale?
Honestly. This comment is definitely the best, hands down. It grounds Science Fiction in a plausible Science Fact. Everything is relative.
The human part of the analogy is inaccurate.
@@whiskeySe7en depends on the person. on average people sleep 7-9 hours a day
so say 8 hours...24/8 is 3...
The ice caps melt and a giant alien awakens "thanks guys I was sleeping on my arm weird, okay here's a fusion reactor blueprint and some sun shade space ships now let me go back to sleep."
"Thanks Traveller!"
What about alien that give technology for protection? "Her is fussion, ftl and life extension, now, don't let me die while i sleep for x years"
A hilarious punch line would be if we implemented that blueprint with some accidental mistake and destroyed ourselves after pressing on-switch.
@@ukaszkaminski4405 Then the alien wakes up again in 10k years and says "Huh? What? Oh, not again!"
Or you wake up and your bed is covered in vermin and the filth they’ve been digging up!
Always a good day when Isaac is talking about aliens.
Agreed. I woke up, saw this video. Fired up a cup of tea and going to lay on the couch and watch this video with the lights off lol...
Proles, all of you. I had my tea ready BEFORE it dropped.
I'm in bed, letting the AC wash away the heat of a Brazilian night, spooning with my wife and hearing the soothing voice of Isaac Arthur.
I'm in bed, letting the AC wash away the heat of a Brazilian night, spooning with my wife and hearing the soothing voice of Isaac Arthur.
Yep, started making it part of my Thursday routine
10:30 in our first interspecies war while your top scientists are hacking into the universal code, then you see at the bottom left of your eyesight: "gamemode updated to creative"
rogue AI gang
These discussions of hibernating aliens remind me of an old late 80s video game called Starflight. The bulk of this game consisted of exploration and resource management. Among the resources that you needed to find were high energy crystals for powering space craft. In this video game there was evidence of an ancient race in the galaxy but the ancients themselves had never been found. The plot twist is that the bodies of the ancient aliens being searched for we’re actually the high energy crystals needed for space flight. But, because the ancient race moved so slowly in relation to the upstart biological races no one noticed.
Isaac is out here making Lovecraft's monsters 100x more terrifying
"Make Lovecraft, not Warcraft"
-- ancient internet proverb
@@achtsekundenfurz7876 "I'd rather do both." - Tim Curry
The "Dancers at the end of time" series has an interesting possible take, with humans at some point in time having given up exploring space and have constructed machines which siphoned energy from the rest of the universe to allow the people of earth to do whatever they wanted. Eventually this kills off the entire universe and would also kill off the earth too except for them creating a bubble of time to exist in repeatedly for the rest of eternity.
The people of this world are utterly incurious about the universe as a whole and had no idea this was going on, even laughing at/mostly ignoring aliens who come to earth to warn them of the approaching doom.
Remember the Asgard from Stargate? They were sort of hibernating/hidden. But they ended up being good guys.
But they weren't, earth did not know about them but they were active in dealing with gould. The wraith from atlantis fit
pretty sure we got Isaac from teh asgard
No, not the Asgard.
Certainly not hibernating when a new SFIA video comes out.
Watched this on Nebula, a fantastic episode as always Isaac.
Or hibernating in-between SFIA video's? ^^
Just had an idea. So, what if the aliens hibernate because they want other life to evolve naturally and gain intelligence so they can later assimilate new and unique consciousnesses and biologies? They don't want to influence the growth in any way in the hopes that new novel forms of life come about. I know there are counters to this and it certainly can't solve the Fermi paradox, but its just a thought I had at the start of the episode that might be addressed at some point in the video.
That's absolutely ridiculous
@Lawofimprobability I never played mass effect, but it's cool they had the same idea as me haha.
@Lawofimprobability you again what are the chances. Hope your having a good day.
Sleep little aliens
Cozy and warm
I'm coming to steal
Your Dyson Swarm
What if the solution to the Fermi Paradox is that,
once a civilization reaches a certain size (in population or expansion) it will get so caught up in its inner affairs that it stagnates and can't expand any further?
as population increases, so does the chance that a new ambitious dictator type is born, who creates internal struggle, fight for resources, and an inward focus.
18:55 “There’s often an assumption that a sufficiently powerful computer, if built, would know all the answers to Life, the Universe and everything”
And as everyone knows, it would be 42.
What's scary is that if the limits of technology turn out to be insane and we're absolutely not even close. Then these aliens really could crush even k3 civilizations like ants.
It's pretty safe to say that we aren't even close. We've only discovered the periodic table of baryonic elements recently, still have mere guess as to the nature of dark matter, probably haven't discovered half of the subatomic elements, have no way to figure out if there are subatomic elements smaller or more fundamental than photons, and haven't discovered any useful forms of stable non-baryonic matter (ie, rearrange quarks etc. to create stable matter in configurations other than protons/neutrons/electrons). Biological computers and quantum computing are still in their infancy (and I suspect we're going to one day discover that biological brains take advantage of quantum computing, in at least a minor way.)
And, as IA pointed out... even in a fight between K3 civilizations, the guy with 10 fully colonized galaxies will absolutely crush someone with 1 underdeveloped galaxy.
Just wanna point out that the reason the Reapers hibernate is to specifically harvest the cultures that arise in the time they are asleep, and preserve them, before anyone can build some super weapon that sterilizes the whole galaxy
Thats is an interesting concept. And It could make sense. But What if that weapon was what caused the "big bang" and "They" are like: "no we can't let that happen again! "
And with that concept in mind, How many big bangs have there been throughout throughout the eternity?
Its a interesting concept.
* And I say they, cause I have a hard time buying the idea of some singular Star Trek Q like Omnipotent being, going and fucking around in the universe willy nilly.
I love the fact that this comment thread is as close to unnecessarily nitpicky as Isaac's channel gets. I do believe I am the biggest dick in this particular instance. but both of you are ballers in your civility and eloquence. I know this has nothing to do with this comment thread I've just been in too deep in other channels threads tonight and I just wanted to say thank you for being awesome.
Always an awesome day whenever Arthur mentions Alastair Reynolds work!!! I first heard about his work from you and now he’s my favourite living author.
As always say: Awesome channel with awesome content and great quality 🌍💯
I always figured a civilization that lived on a world that had a elliptical orbit around its parent star would go Into hibernation... Interesting thought.
The Necrons from Warhammer 40K is also a great example of hibernating aliens. A race that has only a few individuals in it, but each one is very much godlike.
The Predator motive works for sleepers. They sleep as a response to boredom, waking only with the prospect of a challenge.
Over a long enough period of time, an intergalactic species might spread out over ‘the timeline’ as they spent linear time in different temporal-spatial regions of the universe. If every ship spent a different amount of time near black holes, for instance, they would be in entirely different ‘nows’
One reason for hibernating powerful Aliens, might be to mine creativity!
To awake and conquer, to find the newest foods, fashions, and toys..
Then return to your dreams, with new ideas..
I just think that it is rare enough for everything to align such as communication and the ability to use tools that we don’t have anyone close enough to have detected them yet.
Hibernating for friendship
Happy New Year Isaac.
You keep me happy, hopeful, and thoughtful.
Thank you.
Honestly, I would have to disagree with the idea that you don't need to know how to unfreeze people that have been put into hibernation until later on in the mission. First of all, it might be difficult to get people to volunteer to be frozen if you don't necessarily know how to resuscitate them. Secondly, if you don't know how to unfreeze someone from hibernation then by extension you don't necessarily know how to properly freeze and manage their frozen bodies in order to be able to wake people up from hibernation. Thirdly, if you freeze people without knowing how to thaw them out in advance then you don't even know whether or not it's even possible. It's also possible that you could discover that it is possible but you don't have the right resources to resuscitate someone because you didn't know what would be required to make the process work when you launched.
...people that are close to death may well volunteer for a chance of a long life in the future. Also, I, may be wrong here, but I think that freezing is super simple and couldn't have much management other than maintaining the temperature.
Nothing is supposed to move, so it can't be super tricky.
...I mean... those problems are all real, but so are the problems of _not_ getting frozen. If you _don't_ get frozen, there is a 100% chance of death within a few decades. No way around those odds.
super stoked for Civilizations at the End of Time continuing
If ants colonize your pantry while you are sleeping, you don't form a trade deal with them, you kill them all because they are eating your food.
We are less than tiny, more like a virus or bacteria than a civilisation.
@@stuart207 like spoiled milk in the fridge
"hibernating aliens" where have I heard tghat before..."sees green glow coming from planet" uh oh..
me after walking of the beach and stubbing my toe on a weird black rock.
I'm not sure if B5's Shadows really count as "regularly hibernating aliens" as the only reason they were doing so is because they lost the previous war with the Vorlons. So it was less "we like to hibernate to let other cultures develop around us" and more "we've been in hiding for the last thousand years repairing the damage and we've only just now gotten to a point where we can start to act on a larger scale".
Also, the Shadows aren't trying to "kill off any advanced civilizations while leaving a few primitive worlds alone". They are advocating for their preferred method of custodianship over the galaxy and their belief that the best way for the younger races to grow is to pit them against each other because "conflict breeds strength" while the Vorlons believe that the best way for the younger races to grow is for them to be carefully controlled and monitored, because strength comes from obedience.
The Vorlons certainly were not hibernating.
Came looking for this comment.
These videos always have just more grandeur and a greater feeling of the vast emptyness of space.
It’s like a surreal reality.
10:30 There are two types of gods. The One who created the universe, and the other that either got through the Big Crunch or a barrier from another universe.
If you ever were to write a novel that would make a really intriguing opening line.
24:00 reminds me of necrons from 40k, best leave them be
Anybody else here read Karl Schroeder's "Lockstep?" It's one of my favorite books, and it deals with a human civilization that sleeps and wakes en masse according to an agreed-upon schedule.
One reason they do it is conservation. For instance, the story's dominant "Lockstep" wakes one month out of every thirty years. This gives ample time for their robot servitors to clean up after the last month-long "turn," fix the damage they caused to their planet's environment, build up another month's worth of goodies and necessities, and so on.
It also allows for a kind of pseudo-starflight without FTL. You board your ship, settle into your "cicada bed" for a nice long nap, and take off. Your drive doesn't have to be very fancy -- a "mere" ion drive will do -- because every destination you can reach will adhere to the same Lockstep schedule, so for you, every planet is just a night's sleep away.
It's a very interesting and engaging concept, but as far as Isaac's argument is concerned it has at least two problems:
1. I can think of no good reason why a Lockstep should choose to sleep whole centuries or even millennia away.
2. Even if one did, and a whole new sentient species arose while it slept, the newbies would find out about them the hard way because their robot servitors would swiftly act to prevent any interference with their masters or their masters' property. -- WITHOUT having to wake said masters at all. So much for Cthulhu?
If I remember the lovecraft mythos correctly, Cthulhu is just a lowly servant watching over his masters while they sleep.
@@danielhall271 Weeeell -- maybe not that lowly. High Priest is what I've heard
So Reapers and Necrons?
Sleep easy knowing that the necrons could wake up anytime now.
This reminds me of 40k necrons
With all the threats within galaxies such as novas, black holes, gamma rays, pulsars, etc, etc.... maybe they get the hell out of galaxies asap?
Maybe we should be looking for extragalactic/rogue star systems?
Interesting take, never thought about that
>get bored of life as apex species
>hibernate
>new aliens to play with when you wake up
It is good to have friends and someone worth playing with :)
The way you describe
Some of the possibilities is so humorous 2 thumbs up
Very simple game theory models almost completely rule this out as a solution to the Fermi Paradox. It's just...it's just a bad bet for survival because no matter what, it's a losing scenario. One either gets destroyed while they're asleep or wakes up to a universe that's nearing maximum entropy.
Bad examples. The Reapers do the whole thing specifically because they value what they are taking from the emerging intelligent species and civilizations. They don't care about resources, they want people who they can process to create new reapers.
The Shadows from B5 are also not trying to wipe out life or civilizations, the whole periodic destruction is their method of gardening, they want the younger races to become stronger trough conflict.
I spent an hour in this comment section before even watching the video y'all are some other f****** geez. Much love my faith has been restored.
I came out of my hibernation just to watch this.
before you go back to sleep my lord remember to smack that subscribe button
@@harmonyspaceagency1743 That is how I knew I should wake up from my hibernation. ;)
Isaac, this time the Nebula pitch kinda got me. IDK why. I never much cared about those at neither your channel nor others I watch. But this time... for the first time ever I'm actually considering the subscription.
I think I finally understood the fallen empires of Stellaris… Who has the best tech in the galaxy but sit their and do nothing, until new civilisations rise up and surpass them.
Yes Stellaris mention. I don't hope that you're having a good day I demand that you have a good day. Stay awesome.
@@ceterfo Isaac Arthur is definitely a Stellaris fan. He mentioned of liking strategy games, and most of his videos are relevant in Stellaris in some ways, and he even use its soundtracks. There is a mod called Gigastructures, which features most megastructures features on this channel.
Or, what if the universe is in fact a simulation and the hibernating aliens are just the masters of that simulation going in personally with God-Mode on, or sending in their prisoners to hand-scrub the place clean (sorta like ordering somebody to hand-scrub the Augean Stables with toothbrushes for eternity)?
I love your videos! They sometimes frighten me at night before bed though lol!
There is one issue I think deserves mention: It is very likely not all species are biologically compatible to being frozen. E.g. baseline humans might not be. Also, it is very unlikely any civilization will go into storage willingly and virtually impossible every one will do so. Even though a whole civilization orbiting a black hole for storage in a space with extreme time dilation would be fascinating. Even if to ask them and find out why anbody would do that alone.
Btw, my Femri solution is that any civilization advanced enough to be noticed has outgrown the need to do the kinds of things we would notice. E.g. they could build a dyson sphere, sure, but at the point they could do it they just have no reason they would anymore. Their technology simply makes the whole idea obsolete because in order to gain that ability, they had to advance to a point were actually doing that has become pointless. Most likely they are completely spaceborn and self-sufficient, having left planetside life beyond centuries earlier.
That and any product of a sufficiently advanced species is likely indistinguishable from nature.
I've been on a ancient Greek history kick for hot minute now, and whenever there would be like civil wars or political disagreements that split the population of a polis they would literally found a new city. that's what Greek colonies were spawns of social strife in one way or another. I know only tangently relevant to an entire civilization going on ice. And I would like to say thank you for being utterly awesome, I hope you have a good day every day.
Loved this one. I like the out there themed episodes
Reminds me I neglected to winterize the garden. :( Great video!
He has convinced me we could be a type 2 by 2250 or close to it. Maybe i shouldnt have binged Andromeda but I think we may be the seed for the galaxy, the ones to evolve to other planets, change worlds, and spark life.
there's the dream
That does seem a tad optimistic, but then again I do hope for that even sooner than 2250. As many problems as we may have, going into any given comment section on this channel gives me hope that we will expand our beautiful chaos. I hope you are having a good day.
Is there any scenario where two planets could collide in the fashion depicted in your graphics, or would gravity pull one or both apart at their Roche limit? If they could collide while basically intact, would it be quick, i.e. a few hours of terror then total annihilation? Or would it take days or even weeks?
Oh my that's interesting. I'm just throwing down this comment to try and boost this comment and the algorithm, and hopefully this will be one of the few when some fellow nerd answers it I actually read it.
I think it depends a lot on the impact velocity but that would (not sure but intuitively it seems so) be so high the collision would be over quickly ( max a few hours) Again thats my intuition, if we crunched the numbers we'd know better :)
Yay a Babylon 5 reference. Best show ever
Except the Vorlons don’t hibernate; they have always been here.
As an avid reader of webnovels... all I can say: maybe they are not hibernating, maybe they are just living their lives in deep dive VRMMO. They have nothing else to do after all - may as well have a life in some fantasy setting.
Alien: "AH! AFTER ONE MILLION YEARS, I'M FINALLY FREE!"
Sealed Evil In A Can trope comes to mind.
I appreciate the references made in the thumbnails
Aliens sleep to travel for millennia and millions of light years
9:48 though maybe we should... Shamoo has been too quiet for too long... I don't trust them
XD ded bruh
Star Trek, especially Voyager have used a small scale version of this. One a race of warriors that eventually got their butts kicked by their annoyed neighbours followed of the survivors to hibernate in wait for their enemies to give up. Another hibernated waiting for their homeworld to recover after some global disaster but as a civilization they where doomed since there was only a handful of them.
Great episode. My vote is that our entire galaxy is just the screensaver for some alien computer that's been hibernating a smidgen too long.
I'm actually curious about the "malevolent/incomprehensible" angles that could lead to this. You hibernate to let new species grow, then wake, then harvest... because that's literally the only thing you can eat. For some reason, your species somehow developed a need to consume intelligent spacefaring civilisations in particular. You can't eat anything else. You can't safely/realistically farm them for some reason. But you can nap for a few hundred thousand years while new ones grow and take over, then wake up to eat them all.
Horrifying but impractical/improbably but... maybe plausible?
"And your fleets test with carrying out genocidal purges are probably not your moderates" now that is an interesting idea.
Parabéns isaac! Como sempre um ótimo vídeo !
Ahh I really like this Site. I A takes the current arguments that bit further. And generally keeps to genuine PHYSICS ... really cool. Thank you 🙏👍
Wow, some of these subjects have a way of inspiring existential dread.
This comment section restores my faith in humanity though. I hope you have a great day
Upstart apes lmao I love it. I imagine it is underrated for how good it was. Chef's kiss MUAH
The Reaper are the perfect hibernators
I like to think that a hibernating species may simply do it out of biological reasons.
Maybe it is extremely long lived and needs to have these times of rest to let their non-human brains be able to deal with all the sensation they have to deal with during their existence.
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Although a bit let down Isaac did not mention the necrons from Warhammer 40,000 .
If I could be so bold to say... I think in a few decades they will say, 'this beast sounds like it's straight from Isaac Arthur-ian or love craft-ian lore.'
Love these videos
I had a cool idea for a book where the ultra rich and powerful give all their possessions to others to be their guardians/ custodians while they stay in a simulation or hibernation. All the drama that would arise from that type of civilization would be interesting to explore I think. (If it hasn't already been written )
Anyone else here listening to this in the background? I usually listen to Isaac while playing Space Engineers.
My faction has achieved perfection. Because all change to society is therefore deterioration, we freeze ourselves, all but stopping our thoughts, to prevent change, and only awaken the minimal amount of people and resources needed to stop threats against us.
6:00 IMHO the person who accused me of living in the past won't bother to learn the lessons of past mistakes.
I've been offline. Good to see you going strong! Great video!
Hibernating?
I hope you're doing well, I don't know how long you've been offline but I would recommend not going into the comment sections of most other channels right now. People are stressed. I've been making that mistake. Would not recommend.
@@stefanr8232 cheeky. You've made my day better, thank you. Stay awesome.
For those who likes such things, I can recommend the trade paperback of Ocean by Warren Ellis. Bit of an inversion of 2001.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die."
I would be very careful with waking up a civilization . I would most definitely do the most research and try and figure out what their motivation to being in ice. Awesome video thanks. Comment by Erick Guzman Garcia
Well.. one thing to take away is the fearful intrigue of why does it seem like nothing's out there.. when there obviously is ... It's impossible that we are alone
if you're waiting for the stars to burn out for the universe to get cold, wouldn't you be better off lifting them until they're just above brown dwarf mass, or possibly using fusion candles to lift even more.
a bit off-topic but is it possible to simulate plate tectonics on a rotating habitat?
Sure, you'd just need a really big habitat.
9:41 In an asymmetric war the advanced side that makes enough mistakes will lose.
Imagine having your spaceship stolen by a farmer with a tractor...
What if space fairing civilizations are cyclical like cicadas? Where they get just advanced enough to spread out before something happens that stops them from continuing. So there are multiple civilizations arising all at once, and they will all become active around the same times until they go quiet again.
I bet a D&D game run by Mr. Arthur would be pretty great.
I'm sure the aliens will wake up immediately if they found out you've been using their WiFi without permission
Wait aren’t you proof that they aren’t all hibernating?
You got me @@linksapprentice726 what gave me away was it my good looks ?
First people on mars gonna be freaked out when they pick up new WIFI.
The idea of subjective time is intriguing. I wonder if people who have more frequent thoughts, say 60 per minute, experience a day as taking longer than someone who has fewer, say 15.
Yes. I experience time around 2.5 to 3 times as fast as normal people. Took a long time to adjust to it. I hated writing because of how glacially slow it was for me.
@@GodActio voice to text tech could be just the thing for you maybe
@@gives_bad_advice Typing can be a Lot Lot faster than speaking ~_^
@@OniMetsuki not for me.
try a stimulant like an adhd med and u might just feel ur experience of time shift
One nitpick; the Shadows of B5 weren't out to kill everybody. They were out to cull the weak and spur evolution and technological advancement (kick over the ant hills and get Bobby to fight Timmy to see who was best; that kind of thing). So, like all the best villains, they thought they were the heroes of the story . . . Otherwise, a very good analysis of the subject.
Okay, not on the topic on this video, but i don't really know wher to post it.
Ther is a think in some apocaliptic movies/book about escaping inpending doom with spaceship. While its resonable in some cases (when the event would harm more than just a planet), wouldn't better solution be to just pick mars?
Civilizations at the end of time is coming back!
How about Sleeping aliens that want to save all life, like literally save it all onto a hard drive, wait for radio waves, send out a fleet, upload all lifeforms or intelligent ones into digital forms. Then come back so that new life can begin on those life seeding planets
That's essentially what the Reapers from Mass Effect is doing. Come onto the scene every 50.000 years, gather up all the knowledge of the advanced civilizations in the galaxy, and wipe them out before someone accidentially creates an AI that wipes out ALL biological life.
@@dragon12234 didn't know that, never played the games.
@@harmonyspaceagency1743 You should, they are good.
@@dragon12234 No real reason to think that AI can supersede consciousness that biological life can produce or it's productivity... just because many of us perceive ourselves as being too lazy and stupid to pose such a threat.
You should read the Getter Robo manga series (Getter Robo, Getter Robo G, Shin Getter Robo, Getter Robo Go, Getter Robo Arc); it starts as a semi-standard super robot story before turning into buddhist cosmic horror in Shin Getter Robo. The whole series is less than ten volumes long and it's a comic book, so you could read through them pretty quick.
20:45 We'll be needing a crusade, a _Great Crusade._
Soooo enduring faction are the Craftworld eldar? Yolo faction being Drukhari?
I like the idea that a giant brain could slow down thought to have deeper thoughts. A planet sized 🧠 would run into the speed of light as a limiter. Thinking slower effectively negates that limitation. Human lifespan lasts one Matroska brain thought makes communication difficult.
In JSM's Crusade a planet went into hibernation to slow down an illness.
Maybe they just periodically come out to weed their garden?
Maybe they exist in some virtual or telepresent environment that requires maintenance of a physical body.
Awesome content isaac