@@marcdc6809 as aTurk what else do you expect? The EU isn't trustable, they have kept us waiting for years to join EU, of course we are skeptic of European nations. We Turks should make our own union, some movement does exist already, hopefully faster steps will be made. Personally, I wouldn't want sweden in Nato, they support pkk terrorists AND burn our holy book. Why should, if war occurs, should we go to their aid? Sending Muslim soldiers to aid them? Those who burned our book or at least defended it? Lmao. Im happy at least we Turks see the true colors of the EU and have a strong leader as Erdogan. Iron fist is needed for such situations...
Turkey has never allied itself with Russia. It has merely taken benefit from Russian business opportunities -just like how western nations have freely imported cheap RU gas. To remind people: Turkey has opposed Russian military acts in the Middle East for decades. In 2015, 1 year after the Crimean occupation, Turkey casually shot down a Russian jet flying in NATO airspace. Turkey has basically forced the grain deal since the very start of the UA conflict -giving Russia the choice to accept the terms or get lost. Turkey has sanctioned all RU warships from entering the Black Sea since the start of the conflict. No RU warship has been allowed to cross the Istanbul straight from the Mediterranean sea. Turkey was one of the first nations to supply UA with drones back in the first months of the conflict, and also sending humanitarian aid. Turkey has a neutral tourism industry with both Russia and Ukraine, whom both make up the majority of tourist economy in Turkey for the past 10 years. Turkey has provided the US and NATO with military training facilities and operation space near Russia/Middle East for decades despite Russian warnings. Turkey has never allied itself with Russia, or acted as a friend. All Turkey has ever done, is take benefit of Russian related opportunities as long as they didn't cross Turkish core interests. Russia has never been more than a casual business relation, and that relation is clearly not viable due to the recent acts of Russia, thus the business is dropped. Putin has just been sucking up to Erdogan for all these years because he knows what may happen if Turkey starts cutting him off entirely and become fully pro western and directly anti-Russian.
No one has claimed that they have allied themselves with Russia. Even saying something like that is rather idiotic as Turkey is part of NATO. You need to specify that Russia had violated Turkey's airspace. They had given Russia a stern warning and said they'd shoot down any plane that did so again. They kept their word, rightfully so. It's called the Bosphorus Strait. How can two countries make up a majority? That's not how it works. There is no majority nation when it comes to Turkey's tourist industry, as no one nation provides over 50% of tourists. They both need each other. It's debatable who is kissing more ass, they're both tossing each other's salad.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Turkish airspace is NATO airspace. It's the same thing, they are mutually inclusive. Pick whichever term you deem fit. Multiple people have said Turkey has ended an alliance, and even in the video it was made to appear like Turkey shifts alliances - when in reality they haven't changed any alliance. They have merely dropped more business with Russia and taken further political stances against them, but Turkey opposing Russia is nothing new. They have never been allied, that's my point. Turkey doesn't need Russia. Yes I know what the Bosphorus strait is, but others may not, hence why I specified Istanbul as that is more easy to convey a geographic location that most people know of. But anyways, thanks for adding that. Russia and Ukraine have made up the majority of tourism for the past decade, yes I can treat two countries as a unity when they both represent the top two spots (then there's Germany and Scandi countries etc). This wasn't always the case, in 90'ies and 2000s Scandinavia was the majority. A majority doesn't have to be above 50%, it just has to be a larger quantity than any other comparable group's size. When Russia and Ukraine are the talking point of this war, there is obvious merit for treating them as a combined entity to highlight the fact that they both represent two of the largest tourist segments in Turkey.
@@Real_MisterSir By not specifying, you made it sound as if Turkey shot down a Russian fighter in some random NATO country. They were defending their own borders, the borders that are theirs to regulate, scan and defend. ''Multiple people have said Turkey has ended an alliance'' If so, these people are all idiots that live in a parallel universe. Turkey does need Russia. Otherwise they'd have distanced themselves from Russia a long time ago. Mind you, this is a necessary stance, I'm not saying that they should cut off their ties with Russia, they have too much to lose already and the country's economy is in trouble. However steps such as being more dependent on Russian nuclear energy in the future, in a country with frequent earthquakes, is nothing short of idiotic. No, you can't list countries as a unity and call them a majority. You do not comprehend how statistics work, nor what a majority is. ''A majority doesn't have to be above 50%, it just has to be a larger quantity than any other comparable group's size'' Hahahaha! You just proved me right! You have no idea what you're talking about! majority noun [ U ] US /məˈdʒɔr·ɪ·t̬i, -ˈdʒɑr-/ Add to word list more than half of a total number or amount; the larger part of something: A majority of the people voted against the bill to raise school taxes. Do you understand that you're contradicting yourself by saying that Turkey doesn't need Russia, and in the very next paragraphs you group Russia as a ''majority of tourists''? ''When Russia and Ukraine are the talking point of this war, there is obvious merit for treating them as a combined entity to highlight the fact that they both represent two of the largest tourist segments in Turkey'' Complete idiocy. They specifically need to be treated as separate entities because in the political climate of today, one of them could be cut off from arriving by one dictator barely lifting a finger. Remember 2015? You're completely lost.
@@leme5639 did you mean to write ....................Romania or the Baltics, yes it IS Russia??? For non locals in your space, this provides us clarity of your thinking/views, if our understanding of what you say or meant for us is correct?? Please clarify.
@@darnit1944 not particularly, for example every elected politician wants to maintain democratic structure that got them into power. some may backslide to make it more permenant but point is the government is all about self preservation, so any issue that could put it at threat of collapse be it military conquest or domestic uproar, they gotta keep those interests in mind.
@@darnit1944 Friends and enemies can be flipped like coin depends on the situation because you can bet your ass every politician will always have their own best interest in mind.
First and foremost Türkiye should always not abandon its friends who helped it during difficult times. For example India helped you guys during the quake but what did your country do, It chose a terrorist cult*pakistan which is a black mark to the entire Muslim league.
@@Unknown-xm8ll 1. Your humanitarian help doesn't mean that we have to bend the knee. Russia helped too. Results? :D 2. Average Turk doesn't know anything about Pakistan nor India. 3. Paki and Afghan illegals are hated for their behavior and they are not wanted in our country. Most of them have a some kind of voyeurism fetish. 4. I don't want a catastrophe in Pakistan because it might accelarate migration.
The well-known RUclipsr Kraut described relations between Erdogan’s Turkey and Putin’s Russia as “The funniest alliance in the world”, precisely because it would never, ever last and it was a matter of who betrayed who first. This was due to centuries of geopolitical and social enmity between the Russian and the Turkish (and earlier Ottoman). Governments, which arguably continues today. TL:DR - none of this is surprising
Except it was never an alliance. Russia has a heavy presence in Syria which heavily annoys the Turks, so they're using the Ukraine crisis to extract concessions out of Russia in Syria. Anytime the Russians baulk at their promises in Syria, Turkey pulls a stunt like this to remind them of what is at stake. This idea that these two are allies is ridiculous. They're literally fighting proxy wars against each other on 3 separate battlefields.
01:28 "Turkey originally refused to describe so called special military operation as a war." - Well that is either a huge mistake or a straight lie. Turkey defined it as a war in the very first week of the conflict, meanwhile everyone else were calling it "an occupation". Former foreign minister of Turkey Cavusoglu exactly said ""It is not a couple of air strikes now, the situation in Ukraine is officially a war... We will implement the Montreux Convention." And then they did exactly that, implemented the Montreux Convention and blocked the Russian war ships to enter the Black Sea in the first week of the conflict, which has been still in effect to this day. Great video otherwise with full of detailed insigts wraped up in eight minutes. Thanks!
he's always been like that, he shits on the U.S. in his speeches and how he wants independence from U.S. foreign policy but then in policy he gives concessions to the U.S. , nothing new
@@joshuafrimpong244 not really. Because Erdogan econ policy is nutty. He lives in turkey it's basically like panama canal slightly less importance. it's an easy win. But he's so busy trying to be mr. geo center of the world he doesn't just fix his econ and do the easy plays. he could have his airplanes if he never got the sams from russia. he was warn. He could even be in the EU if he reformed. He'll if he owns enough biz he'd make money on the backend. Russia, Turkey some of the best "Start zone countries" ... but these bone heads. I mean if you gave finland the running of Russia do you think they would blow it the way Russia does every single time.
Turkey has always been providing weapon and support to UA, it didn’t stop being HUGE HUGE trading and tourism partners with Russia. It has been clear as Turkish sky in the summer. Both do their thing while they benefit from it. Turkeys only friend is Turkey (Turk world) Don’t look too deep. They are strategic and they know it. Gives a lot of leverage.
Also to mention Turkey has a lot of tourism from UA too, and multiple Russians and Ukrainians own homes in Turkey and fled there from both sides during the conflict. I have friends and family living in many settlements with both Russian and Ukrainian neighbors, who were clearly uneasy at first but I mean so far, there is no distinction between the two nations nor their people. In that regard, Turkey has always been neutral.
We wanted Türkiye to join the EU, but the elected leadership could not get their hands off of finance. Unable to reach European norms means no today, but I still think there is a chance in the future. Stronger together.
@@AnqeLo99 I'm American, but was part of the effort during Erdogan's first term. Not anymore. It's not a Muslim thing, he can't get his hands off budget. Reform would benefit them. Türkiye will be a part of the EU eventually. Hope it is sooner than later, but probably not.
@@kc10manBruh. You are American so you care more about ideologies than Race or culture(Which is very good). But Western Europeans dont like Turks that much.
His best quote was democracy is like a train, once you get to your stop you get off. I can't be bothered looking it up but it was something along those lines.
The reason is likely to due to whatever Erdogan saw from Russia: Erdogan was always going to make the grain deal work regardless as it kept his influence up in the middle east (his allies) and parts of Africa where grain prices take the heaviest toll, this helps balance him with Ukraine too without releasing the Azov soldiers; the F-16s are good but have limits on how they can be used since the US supplies them; and the economy has been bad for a while as Erdogan gave Sweden, Finland and Europe a bad time with Erdogan still wanted in to the EU. My guess is whatever Putin was giving or promising isn't happening anymore or the nuclear saber rattling with two new countries getting nukes out of nowhere by Russia has got Erdogan freaked. Possible too is Erdogan has more insider information and sees the power struggle in Russia more clearly and spots more unfriendly faces.
@@simonford7806 Against Russia, Turkey has the stronger hand. What is Russia going to do to Turkey? Sink the ships? Sanction Turkey as an unfriendly country.
Turkey has ditched no one. That is not how Turkey operates. We just gave them a better deal than the Russians were giving them. *_THAT_* is how Turkey operates.
Turkey hasn't gotten anything. Erdogan had to fold on Sweden. Hard NO from EU. No jets. No bailout. He is playing nice with the West because he knows he is on the clock, it'd s last ditch effort before Turkey's economy implodes and his power is threatened. Erdogan does what is good for Erdogan, not for the people of Turkey.
It reminds me of ottoman politics in the late 18th and the whole 19th century. We switched Allie’s so fast that one day we would go in a war with France teaming up with British and Russian, the other day attacking Russia with French and British troops. This politics led ottomans to survive for 150 extra years.
Before Erdogan, when Turkey was taking democratic steps, liberals and democrats in Turkey expected EU's support. EU back then rejected progressive people in Turkey with weird and sometimes racist excuses. Erdogan is giving the EU what the EU was telling Turkey back in its more democratic days.
What were the eu supposed to do? Allow turkey in before they reached the reqierements? No, and neither should anyone else be allowed in if they dont meet the reqierements. U cant blame us for this, some turks wanted more agreements than many eu countries were willing to sign. Erdogan or anyone like him was our potential nighmare and we did the right thing not allowing turkey in to the eu too quickly.
@@nenasiek EU could support liberals and democrats, instead people in Turkey heard politicians who constantly talked about how Turkish people are not white, how their culture is inferior, and how great and superior white Europeans are.
I don't think so. I think Truss's thinking was an extreme case of trickle down theory: if you reduce taxes for the super-rich (wealth generators) that encourages them to spend/invest more which makes the economy larger, giving the peasants below more money as well; this also makes up for the tax lost. Even the rich seemed to think this was stupid (or at least, the way/timing she tried to do it), but at it's heart it is a fairly standard Conservative approach to taxation. Erdogan's approach seems to be a combination of "charging interest is un-Islamic, so charging less interest must be not as un-Islamic", combined with "higher interest rates will hurt people at the moment and make me unpopular" (true) and a really bonkers idea that you fight high inflation with low interest rates. This last idea seems to be at odds with everyone who knows anything about inflation, which is why he kept firing central bankers over and over until he found one who wouldn't disagree with him (or at least, wouldn't take action at odds with his silly idea).
Liz Truss was going to increase spending and then cut revenue hard, this was a fiscal policy that would generally promote inflation precisely at the moment it needed deflating. What Erdogan was doing with interest rate cuts was instead monetary policy (that was also inflationary) which is not up to elected leaders in most democracies. Fiscal and monetary policies are two fundamentally different (but related) things.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 This is fascinating thank you, so forgive my ignorance, but how does one cut revenue? Are you referring to tax revenue here, I.e. the idea was to spend on growth such that taxes could be decreased? Because my understanding was that she framed this the other way around. Where by cutting tax revenue it would spur investment and growth. But thank you I now understand that Erdogan’s policies must differ. His policy is effectively him utilising greater powers than are available to our government where he has the ability to set interest rates like the Bank of England, but he is applying the opposite measures.
I totally agree with Turkey protecting the Grain, that's our food, we buy it, so Russia should let it thorough. My history teacher always said: Hunger was and is the biggest factor in every nation for civil war. People accept many shit, but when you can't feed your family, that's enough!
I thought I subscribed cos I watched many of your videos ever since the war started. Thanks for reminding me on this video. I said that I already subscribed, till I saw the "subscribe" button (indicating that I havent subscribed). I then subscribed!
.......YUP,MONEY ARE ALWAYS THE COMMON SRNSE,SO ERDOGAN GOT SOME MONEY FOR AZOV AND SWEDEN AND GOTTEN LOTS OF MONEY FOR HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT ARABS *WILL* RECIEVE THEIR GRAINS FROM UKRAINE ............THAT WASNT TOO DIFFICULT TO ANALYZE,HONESTLY.........SO UNFORTUNATELY RUSSIANS ARE FINE
Don't worry. The ties between the two hellholes, Russia and Turkey, haven't been dented in the slightest. You are aware that Russia is building nuclear plants for you in your country, right? Or the fact that all oligarchs have migrated to your mafia state after the sanctions came crashing down upon them! Do not worry, little Turk. Your relations with Russia are safe. In fact, I believe and hope that they will get only stronger so that finally the bureaucrats here in the West, will finally realize their efforts to keep you anchored to the West is a moot point.
Maybe this will finally push Erdogan to incentivize solar farms instead of relying on cheap RU gas and oil. Turkey as a country is one of the most suitable nations for full solar independence with over 300 days of consistent sun every year, but it's harder to control compared to gas and oil import taxation and distribution.. Hopefully this can change soon. I mean, eventually it will have to change, and now is the best time to do it.
@@georgedevries3992 I said maybe it will happen. I never said I expect it to happen. I may hope for it, but I don't expect that hope to be fulfilled. I've seen over the past 20 years how good opportunities have been neglected for the sake of short term profit. No need to treat me like a stranger in this field
@@Bryankips cope hard russian troll 🤣 sooo funny to see russian trolls having a hard time saving their employer and GQP assets at the same time 🤣 hahaha atleast you are getting paid unlike those soldiers in the front lines 🤣
4:40 That’s absolutely true. We don’t want Erdogan’s Turkey into the EU, thank you. And even if a super democratic government comes in the next years, there are still issues like the Armenian Genocide. We are not going to accept turkish membership, no way. Also, the EU is made of European countries and shares a European based culture… are the Turks a European people? This isn’t about racism, just culture: this is why we would never consider countries like Tunisia, Syria, Azerbaijan, Lebanon or even Israel. They’re not Europeans: they may be close to Europe and the West, and some might even be western countries themselves, but they are not a part of Europe
Turkey and Russia have profound economic ties. That relationship is not going anywhere. Turkey also had no right to blackmail things from Sweden, but they did so anyway. That is literally the polar opposite of good relations. Do not kid yourself.
Oligarchs aplenty, nuclear plants being built by Russia and operated by Russians in Turkey. You sir are the first one I've met in this comment section with a functioning brain on his shoulders. Kudos.
Turks always been a big part of the europian economy it surprises me they arent in the eu yet. Easier workflow, turism will be even more easier (excelent holyday location) and euro could help keeping the turkish economy more stable. I personally gladly see some quality leather sold from turkey they got the best ones.
You're talking without knowledge of the facts. Turkey does not have any requirements to enter Europe. The legislative power is not independent, the democratic system is not solid, Turkey's economy is in shambles, Turkey has territorial disputes with EU countries, such as Cyprius. Before you talk, get informed.
@@erosgritti5171 In the last elections held in Turkey, Erdogan was elected president with 52 percent voter turnout and 88,5 percent vote rate. Turkey is a democratic state.
@Pardus777In many ways turkey is already part of the EU as it is part of EFTA which is mutually beneficial for the EU and Turkey. Full EU membership can only be achieved when the Copenhagen criteria are met and the EU is a position to allow for expansion. At the moment we already have trouble with Poland and Hungary that slow down EU integration. This needs to be solved first.
It's so funny to think this deal was made over "the war ending", but Russia themselves refused to classify it as a war up until recently, so legally speaking the deal never had any legal implications in the first place..
@@icemanzw Read it yourself. Remember when Turkey shot down Russian jet in 2015, 1 year after Crimea occupation? Remember when Turkey basically forced Russia to accept the grain deal throughout the entirety of the conflict? Remember when Turkey actively opposed Russian operations in the Middle East for years over the past decade?
@@Real_MisterSir as far as I'm concerned aljazera the turkey and Russia are in good books never the enemy as you guys are trying to put it as it that's why they can trade weapons with Russia given the S400 triumph and so on they might have disagreement there and there just like any country anyways time will tell
@@Real_MisterSir no one forced turkey to do anything words matters man Russia can not force anyone sovereign country to do what it does not like to do again you are using wrong words , turkey intervene and discuss way forward about grain deal then they reached a agreement to allow the grain deal on both sides.. Russia wanted no grain movement but turkey pursued them to allow the deal I don't know where are you getting your information read
On one part, Russia is partly right. As a European, I'm not thrilled about an Erdogan-led Turkey joining the EU. Because let's face it, his decisions on Religious and Economic matters have not done well for Turkey and their relations with other countries. The fact he used his countries vote in NATO to hamstring what is supposed to be an effort to protect the entire group just for the sake of improving himself at the cost of everyone else... Turkey needs desperately to change leadership, and to a capable, charismatic and preferably at least a little progressive President. Why charismatic? Because clearly, just saying you oppose Erdogan isn't enough with how he's gaslighting and convincing enough Turkish people that he's still a good leader. Enough of them that he can get away with some less-than-legal practices to hinder any opposition.
Maybe Erdogan accepted the fact that it does not matter anymore if Russia wins or loses the war. It will be a pariah state and every of it friends get the same status. Not to mention that they are not far away from Russia, so if they wants to build back the Soviet Union Turkey will be one of their neighbours with very desireable geopolitical features… so best to be inside the NATO in the future. It is time to choose sides for the next cold war … if we are lucky. China has the same situation. Their biggest enemy is not the USA, but Russia.
nahh what erdogan accepted or not doesnt matter, turkey is one of the earliest nato members with corresponding privileges. but i agree what you said about china, china is the only country that can dethrone putin if they wanted, being by far the biggest market for russian products right now.
First of all, the whole world should thank Turkey, which has supported Ukraine from the very beginning. If he had not done this with courage, the Turks would be talking about other things now. Erdogan is the smartest man in active politics. He plans every move he makes in advance. Türkiye is a NATO country with a production economy and a strong army. Exchange rate problems. However, the Turkish army is now stopping the Russian power in Africa, Caucasus, Balkans, Middle East. The more successful, the more self-confident. Syria remained the only place where Turkey entered the struggle and could not conclude it. If America takes a step, Erdogan can checkmate
Let's be clear, Turkey send arms to the Ukraine and not Russia, he also trapped the Russian fleet and stopped their support ships. He also told Russia to hand the Crimea back....he wasn't ever pro Russian
Maybe not well known in the news, but Erdogen has said he will work to ratify Sweden as a NATO member in october. In the meantime he want Sweden to actively fight terrorism (aka PKP and the kurds) and he also want Sweden to support a Turkey EU membership. So ... whether they have promised Sweden the sought after NATO membership? I am not so sure ...
Turkey has more of a problem than Sweden in getting into the EU. His entire governance and economics is contrary to EU requirements not to mention no one wants to have to deal with a country that is religiously sensitive. The West is free to burn any religious book and criticise any religion, if they can accept that they'll be a tiny bit closer. No one will accept Islamic sensitivities period.
Clear distinction here between Kurd-supported terrorist networks, and Kurds as a people. It's something so many people get wrong about Turkey discussions and politics. Associating all Kurds with the "Kurd"-run terrorist networks, is like associating all Muslims in the Middle East with Taleban and Al-Quaeda. Turkey does not oppose Kurds as a people, and openly integrate them into Turkish society as long as the integration is peaceful. But the terrorist networks prevent this, actively trying to destabilize territories in Eastern Turkey to eventually annex land for themselves, and they do it by throwing regular Kurds under the bus and using "Kurdish people" as a validation of their terrorist acts. My aunt was working as a school teacher in a Turkish/Kurdish society in east Turkey some years ago, and her travel bus was assaulted by PKK Terrorists. Even the local Kurds hate what these people are doing. The entire reason Turkish and Kurdish people can't live in peace in these regions is because the terrorists want Kurdish exclusivity and land that never belonged to them. But sadly, the reputation and relation with all Kurds take a massive hit when media keep portraying them this way. Many of my friends are Kurdish, there is no hatred between us at all. But if you keep repeating the saying that "Turkey doesn't like Kurds or Kurdish association" enough times, then people growing up will start to believe this false ideology. Like if you say American white people hate the black communities over and over, eventually you end up with real racism spawned out of lies and misunderstandings.
Great to see the TLDR team attending such important events. It's mind-blowing to see how social media channels like such are much more clearer and transparent than mainstream media channels.
"Mainstream media" admits uncertainty, and are legally obliged to stay within shouting distance of the truth. Remember that for every complex issue, there's an explanation that's simple, obvious and wrong.
.........THATS WHY THEIR MEMBERSHIP IS ALWAYS UNDER QUESTIONMTHOUGH.......AS MAYBE TURKEY IS A NATO MEMBER BUT IT'S STILL TURKEY WITH ALL IT'S AMBITIONS,AS THEY'RE SUCCESSORS OF THE OTTOMANS ..........THEIR MAIN GOAL IS TO.....MAKE OTTOMANS GREAT AGAIN,HO MORE NO LESS,THEY'RE BY THEMSELVES
Turkey is trying to carve out it' s own independence, so that later, perhaps, at the right moment, it can expand it' s influence in the region and make a mini empire by unifying peoples with similar heritage/ language/ religion.Of course, Russia is a trading partner that Turkey needs more than they need America to organize coup(s) against Erdogan, or possibly ( some say ) cause earthquakes in the area.
Erdogan is a bad leader, but he’s also a pragmatist, he sees the way the winds are blowing and is hitching his wagon to the positive trend of NATO (for the moment)
Do not see Turkey's friendly countries policy as a weakness. Türkiye is trying to be friendly with all the countries of the world and to take place in common markets. We don't want to fight anyone or become an enemy. In some cases, we try to do what is best for all our friends, even if our old friends don't like it. But we are sure that all our friends want a peaceful and stable economic environment, we hope that Turkey's friendly country policy will be understood by all countries. Russia and Germany, the European states through Germany are our old friends. We try to do what's best for everyone, and it's not a weakness. Turkey is one of the few countries where the people are richer than their state, and if the country is in danger, it does not hesitate to transfer this money to the state.
what i see is, one side at least tried to shake hands multiple times, through trade deals, offering cheap vacations for their citizens, buying russian military equipment and even temporarily blocking new nato membership requests. but what did the other side do? nothing beside acting like an angry chicken.
1:33 he said that considering both Ukraine and Russia haven’t officially declared war on each other. So from the legal side, he’s in the clear for that positioning
Don’t count on it. That dude loves to play both sides. Erdogan reminds me of one of those professional wrestlers. One week he’s teaming with the good guys and the next he’s partnering up with the villains. He’s not a trustworthy ally.
I love how TLDR dumbs down complex issues into ridiculously simple narratives. Russia and Turkey are strategic rivals. They've been fighting proxy wars on each other in Azerbaijan, Libya and Syria. Russia has had the upper hand in Syria and Turkey has been using the Ukraine war to take concessions from Russia in Syria. When Russia does something in Syria Turkey doesn't like, they strike back with a move on Ukraine. It's essentially a dance these two nations play to extract as much as possible out of each other in these arenas.
You forgot to write Türkiye will stand by Ukraine against Russia anytime. None of us want a strong Russia ever that close to us. But I think Russia should not be zeroed either. Too much problem It would bring. Türkiye is not using Ukraine as proxy. Why people never appreciate all the weapons we have sent. We even sent home made hmars before US did. They think Türkiye was supporting Russia all along.
On some subjects TLDR gets many things wrong. every 3rd video they upload has at least 10 blatant mistakes. they are kind of a bunch of amatuers I feel.
I wouldn't call it dumbing down. Rather that in a talk lasting less than 7 minutes it's not possible for anyone to fully explain all the complexity and nuance in the relationship between a husband and wife, let alone in the relationship between 2 countries. Even trying to fully explain the actions and beliefs of one person in 7 minutes is impossible. Try explaining the attitude of Wilhelm Canaris or of Erwin Rommel during WW2 and deciding if they were good or evil men within 7 minutes. You can't because nobody can do that within 7 minutes if ever.
That's a good one, especially as it has a double meaning with all the prominent Russians randomly falling out of windows. Open windows are a danger to society, people.
Given how hard Erdogan swings, I would rather see how relations develop a bit longer before reaching any conclusions.
I think he was afraid of Russian election interference before his election
true, let's see how he gets all chummy with Putin again when it becomes clear that the EU is really not in the future for Turkey.
Remember the Minsk agreement. Lots of false promises never kept and now we have a war.
@@marcdc6809 I agree but also the east is not where its future is
@@marcdc6809 as aTurk what else do you expect? The EU isn't trustable, they have kept us waiting for years to join EU, of course we are skeptic of European nations. We Turks should make our own union, some movement does exist already, hopefully faster steps will be made. Personally, I wouldn't want sweden in Nato, they support pkk terrorists AND burn our holy book. Why should, if war occurs, should we go to their aid? Sending Muslim soldiers to aid them? Those who burned our book or at least defended it? Lmao. Im happy at least we Turks see the true colors of the EU and have a strong leader as Erdogan. Iron fist is needed for such situations...
Turkey has never allied itself with Russia. It has merely taken benefit from Russian business opportunities -just like how western nations have freely imported cheap RU gas.
To remind people: Turkey has opposed Russian military acts in the Middle East for decades.
In 2015, 1 year after the Crimean occupation, Turkey casually shot down a Russian jet flying in NATO airspace.
Turkey has basically forced the grain deal since the very start of the UA conflict -giving Russia the choice to accept the terms or get lost.
Turkey has sanctioned all RU warships from entering the Black Sea since the start of the conflict. No RU warship has been allowed to cross the Istanbul straight from the Mediterranean sea.
Turkey was one of the first nations to supply UA with drones back in the first months of the conflict, and also sending humanitarian aid.
Turkey has a neutral tourism industry with both Russia and Ukraine, whom both make up the majority of tourist economy in Turkey for the past 10 years.
Turkey has provided the US and NATO with military training facilities and operation space near Russia/Middle East for decades despite Russian warnings.
Turkey has never allied itself with Russia, or acted as a friend. All Turkey has ever done, is take benefit of Russian related opportunities as long as they didn't cross Turkish core interests. Russia has never been more than a casual business relation, and that relation is clearly not viable due to the recent acts of Russia, thus the business is dropped. Putin has just been sucking up to Erdogan for all these years because he knows what may happen if Turkey starts cutting him off entirely and become fully pro western and directly anti-Russian.
No one has claimed that they have allied themselves with Russia. Even saying something like that is rather idiotic as Turkey is part of NATO.
You need to specify that Russia had violated Turkey's airspace. They had given Russia a stern warning and said they'd shoot down any plane that did so again. They kept their word, rightfully so.
It's called the Bosphorus Strait.
How can two countries make up a majority? That's not how it works. There is no majority nation when it comes to Turkey's tourist industry, as no one nation provides over 50% of tourists.
They both need each other. It's debatable who is kissing more ass, they're both tossing each other's salad.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Turkish airspace is NATO airspace. It's the same thing, they are mutually inclusive. Pick whichever term you deem fit.
Multiple people have said Turkey has ended an alliance, and even in the video it was made to appear like Turkey shifts alliances - when in reality they haven't changed any alliance. They have merely dropped more business with Russia and taken further political stances against them, but Turkey opposing Russia is nothing new. They have never been allied, that's my point.
Turkey doesn't need Russia. Yes I know what the Bosphorus strait is, but others may not, hence why I specified Istanbul as that is more easy to convey a geographic location that most people know of. But anyways, thanks for adding that.
Russia and Ukraine have made up the majority of tourism for the past decade, yes I can treat two countries as a unity when they both represent the top two spots (then there's Germany and Scandi countries etc). This wasn't always the case, in 90'ies and 2000s Scandinavia was the majority. A majority doesn't have to be above 50%, it just has to be a larger quantity than any other comparable group's size. When Russia and Ukraine are the talking point of this war, there is obvious merit for treating them as a combined entity to highlight the fact that they both represent two of the largest tourist segments in Turkey.
@@Real_MisterSir By not specifying, you made it sound as if Turkey shot down a Russian fighter in some random NATO country. They were defending their own borders, the borders that are theirs to regulate, scan and defend.
''Multiple people have said Turkey has ended an alliance''
If so, these people are all idiots that live in a parallel universe.
Turkey does need Russia. Otherwise they'd have distanced themselves from Russia a long time ago. Mind you, this is a necessary stance, I'm not saying that they should cut off their ties with Russia, they have too much to lose already and the country's economy is in trouble. However steps such as being more dependent on Russian nuclear energy in the future, in a country with frequent earthquakes, is nothing short of idiotic.
No, you can't list countries as a unity and call them a majority. You do not comprehend how statistics work, nor what a majority is.
''A majority doesn't have to be above 50%, it just has to be a larger quantity than any other comparable group's size''
Hahahaha! You just proved me right! You have no idea what you're talking about!
majority
noun [ U ]
US /məˈdʒɔr·ɪ·t̬i, -ˈdʒɑr-/
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more than half of a total number or amount; the larger part of something:
A majority of the people voted against the bill to raise school taxes.
Do you understand that you're contradicting yourself by saying that Turkey doesn't need Russia, and in the very next paragraphs you group Russia as a ''majority of tourists''?
''When Russia and Ukraine are the talking point of this war, there is obvious merit for treating them as a combined entity to highlight the fact that they both represent two of the largest tourist segments in Turkey''
Complete idiocy. They specifically need to be treated as separate entities because in the political climate of today, one of them could be cut off from arriving by one dictator barely lifting a finger. Remember 2015?
You're completely lost.
@@Real_MisterSir Religious jokes aside, the main enemy, is, for Poland, Turkey, Romania, or the Baltics, Russia.
@@leme5639 did you mean to write ....................Romania or the Baltics, yes it IS Russia???
For non locals in your space, this provides us clarity of your thinking/views, if our understanding of what you say or meant for us is correct??
Please clarify.
As the saying goes, there is no permanent enemies nor permanent friends in politics. Only permanent interest.
But interests do change when new people are elected.
Well, unless you are talking about autocracy
@@darnit1944 not particularly, for example every elected politician wants to maintain democratic structure that got them into power.
some may backslide to make it more permenant but point is the government is all about self preservation, so any issue that could put it at threat of collapse be it military conquest or domestic uproar, they gotta keep those interests in mind.
@@darnit1944 Friends and enemies can be flipped like coin depends on the situation because you can bet your ass every politician will always have their own best interest in mind.
as a Turkish I expected this but its happened sooner than I expected
Don’t worry Erdogan will make friends with Putin again next week. That’s Turkey in a nutshell. Everyone’s friend and nobody’s friend.
First and foremost Türkiye should always not abandon its friends who helped it during difficult times. For example India helped you guys during the quake but what did your country do, It chose a terrorist cult*pakistan which is a black mark to the entire Muslim league.
@@Unknown-xm8ll
1. Your humanitarian help doesn't mean that we have to bend the knee. Russia helped too. Results? :D
2. Average Turk doesn't know anything about Pakistan nor India.
3. Paki and Afghan illegals are hated for their behavior and they are not wanted in our country. Most of them have a some kind of voyeurism fetish.
4. I don't want a catastrophe in Pakistan because it might accelarate migration.
@@Unknown-xm8llwhere are you from man ? This logic of friendship applies literally to no country
@@Unknown-xm8ll The real friends in politics is only political interests, nothing else.
The well-known RUclipsr Kraut described relations between Erdogan’s Turkey and Putin’s Russia as “The funniest alliance in the world”, precisely because it would never, ever last and it was a matter of who betrayed who first. This was due to centuries of geopolitical and social enmity between the Russian and the Turkish (and earlier Ottoman). Governments, which arguably continues today. TL:DR - none of this is surprising
Except it was never an alliance.
Russia has a heavy presence in Syria which heavily annoys the Turks, so they're using the Ukraine crisis to extract concessions out of Russia in Syria.
Anytime the Russians baulk at their promises in Syria, Turkey pulls a stunt like this to remind them of what is at stake.
This idea that these two are allies is ridiculous. They're literally fighting proxy wars against each other on 3 separate battlefields.
I’ve never heard of Kraut before. He sounds like an astute commenter.
@@negracaribena my wife has decided to troll me (yes that is literally my wife’s account), we watch Kraut together 🤦🏻♂️😂 and yes he is astute
@lif6737 he’s Austrian, I’m sure he’ll get at least 5% tilted at being called German 😂😂😂
@@gmbrusselsprout 😂😂😂
01:28 "Turkey originally refused to describe so called special military operation as a war." - Well that is either a huge mistake or a straight lie. Turkey defined it as a war in the very first week of the conflict, meanwhile everyone else were calling it "an occupation". Former foreign minister of Turkey Cavusoglu exactly said ""It is not a couple of air strikes now, the situation in Ukraine is officially a war... We will implement the Montreux Convention." And then they did exactly that, implemented the Montreux Convention and blocked the Russian war ships to enter the Black Sea in the first week of the conflict, which has been still in effect to this day.
Great video otherwise with full of detailed insigts wraped up in eight minutes. Thanks!
Turkey plays on both sides. Today we love the west. Tomorrow Russia is best for business.
Ohh now we're blaming other countries for playing for their interests?
its pretty smart of him
@@joshuafrimpong244Smart until he is stabbed in the back like every country that ever trusted Russia.
he's always been like that, he shits on the U.S. in his speeches and how he wants independence from U.S. foreign policy but then in policy he gives concessions to the U.S. , nothing new
@@joshuafrimpong244 not really. Because Erdogan econ policy is nutty. He lives in turkey it's basically like panama canal slightly less importance. it's an easy win. But he's so busy trying to be mr. geo center of the world he doesn't just fix his econ and do the easy plays. he could have his airplanes if he never got the sams from russia. he was warn. He could even be in the EU if he reformed. He'll if he owns enough biz he'd make money on the backend. Russia, Turkey some of the best "Start zone countries" ... but these bone heads. I mean if you gave finland the running of Russia do you think they would blow it the way Russia does every single time.
Turkey has always been providing weapon and support to UA, it didn’t stop being HUGE HUGE trading and tourism partners with Russia. It has been clear as Turkish sky in the summer. Both do their thing while they benefit from it.
Turkeys only friend is Turkey (Turk world)
Don’t look too deep. They are strategic and they know it. Gives a lot of leverage.
Also to mention Turkey has a lot of tourism from UA too, and multiple Russians and Ukrainians own homes in Turkey and fled there from both sides during the conflict. I have friends and family living in many settlements with both Russian and Ukrainian neighbors, who were clearly uneasy at first but I mean so far, there is no distinction between the two nations nor their people. In that regard, Turkey has always been neutral.
We wanted Türkiye to join the EU, but the elected leadership could not get their hands off of finance. Unable to reach European norms means no today, but I still think there is a chance in the future. Stronger together.
as a turk you are in the minority opinion, mostly european no way let turkey in. 90 million muslim so...
@@AnqeLo99 I'm American, but was part of the effort during Erdogan's first term. Not anymore. It's not a Muslim thing, he can't get his hands off budget. Reform would benefit them. Türkiye will be a part of the EU eventually. Hope it is sooner than later, but probably not.
@@AnqeLo99yea thats why your racist you always be but no problem we don’t need eu we plays with both sides is better than one😂
@@kc10manno thanks we don’t want lgbtq or naked women here and no we don’t want a land without religion we turks are the sons of the ottoman
@@kc10manBruh. You are American so you care more about ideologies than Race or culture(Which is very good). But Western Europeans dont like Turks that much.
When you don't have anymore money, you are not my friend - Erdorgan.
His best quote was democracy is like a train, once you get to your stop you get off.
I can't be bothered looking it up but it was something along those lines.
'Who needs the dollar when we have Allah'. - Erdogan
The reason is likely to due to whatever Erdogan saw from Russia: Erdogan was always going to make the grain deal work regardless as it kept his influence up in the middle east (his allies) and parts of Africa where grain prices take the heaviest toll, this helps balance him with Ukraine too without releasing the Azov soldiers; the F-16s are good but have limits on how they can be used since the US supplies them; and the economy has been bad for a while as Erdogan gave Sweden, Finland and Europe a bad time with Erdogan still wanted in to the EU.
My guess is whatever Putin was giving or promising isn't happening anymore or the nuclear saber rattling with two new countries getting nukes out of nowhere by Russia has got Erdogan freaked. Possible too is Erdogan has more insider information and sees the power struggle in Russia more clearly and spots more unfriendly faces.
he released the Above guys, he promised Putin not to release them
@@simonford7806 was that a pinky promise or a written agreement?
@@simonford7806 nevertheless, they had a good vacation in Turkey which is well earned.
TAI TF Kaan. Soon...
@@simonford7806 Against Russia, Turkey has the stronger hand. What is Russia going to do to Turkey? Sink the ships? Sanction Turkey as an unfriendly country.
Turkey has ditched no one. That is not how Turkey operates. We just gave them a better deal than the Russians were giving them. *_THAT_* is how Turkey operates.
Do you have a better deal then west?
Just asking as a Turk.
@@TuAFFalcon yes being independent im half-turk
Turkey hasn't gotten anything. Erdogan had to fold on Sweden. Hard NO from EU. No jets. No bailout. He is playing nice with the West because he knows he is on the clock, it'd s last ditch effort before Turkey's economy implodes and his power is threatened. Erdogan does what is good for Erdogan, not for the people of Turkey.
Bullshit
It reminds me of ottoman politics in the late 18th and the whole 19th century. We switched Allie’s so fast that one day we would go in a war with France teaming up with British and Russian, the other day attacking Russia with French and British troops.
This politics led ottomans to survive for 150 extra years.
Before Erdogan, when Turkey was taking democratic steps, liberals and democrats in Turkey expected EU's support. EU back then rejected progressive people in Turkey with weird and sometimes racist excuses. Erdogan is giving the EU what the EU was telling Turkey back in its more democratic days.
What were the eu supposed to do? Allow turkey in before they reached the reqierements?
No, and neither should anyone else be allowed in if they dont meet the reqierements.
U cant blame us for this, some turks wanted more agreements than many eu countries were willing to sign.
Erdogan or anyone like him was our potential nighmare and we did the right thing not allowing turkey in to the eu too quickly.
@@nenasiek EU could support liberals and democrats, instead people in Turkey heard politicians who constantly talked about how Turkish people are not white, how their culture is inferior, and how great and superior white Europeans are.
Good analysis makes this channel look serious. Therefor, I have subscribed.
Well synthesised and presented. 👍
Tbh I can't exactly deny 4:46. Turkey isn't Europe.
I'm now 100% you guys mispronounce names on purpose to generate comments trying to correct you. Almost every video has a wrong pronunciation.
Thank you for your comment.
- TLDR team -
@@buddy1155 I'm aware of the irony and I like what they do otherwise, so I'm happy to comment :)
Diego Luna doing a great job as photographer at 6:50
Turkey is doing the 1940's Italy
So am I crazy, or did Erdogan/Turkey put Liz Truss’s economic theories to the test?
I don't think so. I think Truss's thinking was an extreme case of trickle down theory: if you reduce taxes for the super-rich (wealth generators) that encourages them to spend/invest more which makes the economy larger, giving the peasants below more money as well; this also makes up for the tax lost. Even the rich seemed to think this was stupid (or at least, the way/timing she tried to do it), but at it's heart it is a fairly standard Conservative approach to taxation.
Erdogan's approach seems to be a combination of "charging interest is un-Islamic, so charging less interest must be not as un-Islamic", combined with "higher interest rates will hurt people at the moment and make me unpopular" (true) and a really bonkers idea that you fight high inflation with low interest rates. This last idea seems to be at odds with everyone who knows anything about inflation, which is why he kept firing central bankers over and over until he found one who wouldn't disagree with him (or at least, wouldn't take action at odds with his silly idea).
@@patriarch7237 He's now u-turned and increased interest rates
@@ASLUHLUHC3 Which I suspect is related to his having handily won reelection for five more years.
Liz Truss was going to increase spending and then cut revenue hard, this was a fiscal policy that would generally promote inflation precisely at the moment it needed deflating.
What Erdogan was doing with interest rate cuts was instead monetary policy (that was also inflationary) which is not up to elected leaders in most democracies.
Fiscal and monetary policies are two fundamentally different (but related) things.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 This is fascinating thank you, so forgive my ignorance, but how does one cut revenue? Are you referring to tax revenue here, I.e. the idea was to spend on growth such that taxes could be decreased? Because my understanding was that she framed this the other way around. Where by cutting tax revenue it would spur investment and growth.
But thank you I now understand that Erdogan’s policies must differ. His policy is effectively him utilising greater powers than are available to our government where he has the ability to set interest rates like the Bank of England, but he is applying the opposite measures.
Turkey the type of person who tease both side to get the most from both
islamic trait
I totally agree with Turkey protecting the Grain, that's our food, we buy it, so Russia should let it thorough. My history teacher always said: Hunger was and is the biggest factor in every nation for civil war. People accept many shit, but when you can't feed your family, that's enough!
Just wanna note that Vladimir is not shortened to Vlad.
Vlad is short for Vladislav
Vladimir is shortened to Vova. 😮
Vladislav?
Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.
@@paulgibbon5991 :D
It would be great to see Turkey one day as part of the EU.
NOPE !
@@angelobucciarelli4848YES!!!
Lol
So he can veto there too?
I thought I subscribed cos I watched many of your videos ever since the war started. Thanks for reminding me on this video. I said that I already subscribed, till I saw the "subscribe" button (indicating that I havent subscribed). I then subscribed!
Well Common Sense might have prevailed. Let's hope the world against one man might eventually have a desired effect.
.......YUP,MONEY ARE ALWAYS THE COMMON SRNSE,SO ERDOGAN GOT SOME MONEY FOR AZOV AND SWEDEN AND GOTTEN LOTS OF MONEY FOR HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT ARABS *WILL* RECIEVE THEIR GRAINS FROM UKRAINE
............THAT WASNT TOO DIFFICULT TO ANALYZE,HONESTLY.........SO UNFORTUNATELY RUSSIANS ARE FINE
greetings from Turkey, I hope it will not cause a huge increase in our gas bill for the coming winter
Don't worry. The ties between the two hellholes, Russia and Turkey, haven't been dented in the slightest. You are aware that Russia is building nuclear plants for you in your country, right? Or the fact that all oligarchs have migrated to your mafia state after the sanctions came crashing down upon them!
Do not worry, little Turk. Your relations with Russia are safe. In fact, I believe and hope that they will get only stronger so that finally the bureaucrats here in the West, will finally realize their efforts to keep you anchored to the West is a moot point.
Maybe this will finally push Erdogan to incentivize solar farms instead of relying on cheap RU gas and oil. Turkey as a country is one of the most suitable nations for full solar independence with over 300 days of consistent sun every year, but it's harder to control compared to gas and oil import taxation and distribution.. Hopefully this can change soon. I mean, eventually it will have to change, and now is the best time to do it.
@@Real_MisterSir Naive optimist, detected!
@@georgedevries3992 I said maybe it will happen. I never said I expect it to happen. I may hope for it, but I don't expect that hope to be fulfilled. I've seen over the past 20 years how good opportunities have been neglected for the sake of short term profit. No need to treat me like a stranger in this field
Putler is running out of money 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sergey Lavrov visit Indonesia 😆
🇷🇺🇨🇳🇮🇩 Ecconomic BRICS ❣️ 🦾🤩
Ecconomic RUSSIA 🇷🇺 stable 🤩😆
@@Bryankips cope hard russian troll 🤣 sooo funny to see russian trolls having a hard time saving their employer and GQP assets at the same time 🤣 hahaha atleast you are getting paid unlike those soldiers in the front lines 🤣
@@Bryankips brics 💩
@@cooley987 😆 🇪🇺 collapse
4:40 That’s absolutely true. We don’t want Erdogan’s Turkey into the EU, thank you. And even if a super democratic government comes in the next years, there are still issues like the Armenian Genocide. We are not going to accept turkish membership, no way. Also, the EU is made of European countries and shares a European based culture… are the Turks a European people? This isn’t about racism, just culture: this is why we would never consider countries like Tunisia, Syria, Azerbaijan, Lebanon or even Israel. They’re not Europeans: they may be close to Europe and the West, and some might even be western countries themselves, but they are not a part of Europe
It could be E. move to get same deal from Russia
Turkey and Russia have profound economic ties. That relationship is not going anywhere. Turkey also had no right to blackmail things from Sweden, but they did so anyway. That is literally the polar opposite of good relations. Do not kid yourself.
Demanding Sweden to stop Islamophobia and Quran burnings is considered blackmailing? 😂
"had no right to blackmail things from Sweden"
What are you? a child?
@@NH-zi4jr Considering how the slightest economic turmoil in Europe triggers a wave of fascism, it's not surprising that this is what they think.
@@murtadha96my gosh you're right
Oligarchs aplenty, nuclear plants being built by Russia and operated by Russians in Turkey. You sir are the first one I've met in this comment section with a functioning brain on his shoulders. Kudos.
Putin: "You tricked me!"
Erdogan: "I decieved you. 'Trick' implies we have a playful relationship."
Turks always been a big part of the europian economy it surprises me they arent in the eu yet. Easier workflow, turism will be even more easier (excelent holyday location) and euro could help keeping the turkish economy more stable.
I personally gladly see some quality leather sold from turkey they got the best ones.
You're talking without knowledge of the facts. Turkey does not have any requirements to enter Europe. The legislative power is not independent, the democratic system is not solid, Turkey's economy is in shambles, Turkey has territorial disputes with EU countries, such as Cyprius. Before you talk, get informed.
@@erosgritti5171 In the last elections held in Turkey, Erdogan was elected president with 52 percent voter turnout and 88,5 percent vote rate. Turkey is a democratic state.
@Pardus777 As a Turk, I sincerely agree with your comment.
@Pardus777In many ways turkey is already part of the EU as it is part of EFTA which is mutually beneficial for the EU and Turkey. Full EU membership can only be achieved when the Copenhagen criteria are met and the EU is a position to allow for expansion. At the moment we already have trouble with Poland and Hungary that slow down EU integration. This needs to be solved first.
Can't trust anyone who isnt your brother
Putin is no stranger to breaking deals. He just doesn’t like others doing it back.
It's so funny to think this deal was made over "the war ending", but Russia themselves refused to classify it as a war up until recently, so legally speaking the deal never had any legal implications in the first place..
Remember when Turkey gave drones to Ukraine early in the war?
The drones were already brought b4 the war
Read the history
@@icemanzw Read it yourself. Remember when Turkey shot down Russian jet in 2015, 1 year after Crimea occupation? Remember when Turkey basically forced Russia to accept the grain deal throughout the entirety of the conflict? Remember when Turkey actively opposed Russian operations in the Middle East for years over the past decade?
@@Real_MisterSir as far as I'm concerned aljazera the turkey and Russia are in good books never the enemy as you guys are trying to put it as it that's why they can trade weapons with Russia given the S400 triumph and so on they might have disagreement there and there just like any country anyways time will tell
@@Real_MisterSir no one forced turkey to do anything words matters man Russia can not force anyone sovereign country to do what it does not like to do again you are using wrong words , turkey intervene and discuss way forward about grain deal then they reached a agreement to allow the grain deal on both sides.. Russia wanted no grain movement but turkey pursued them to allow the deal I don't know where are you getting your information read
And! Turkey go out from Siria now before Putin takes him out.
When it comes to cheering the winning side, Turkey really is the new Italy ;)
Ignoramus detected.
Are British people just trolling when they say things like "Dater" instead "Data" or "Maths" instead of "Math"? As an American this drives me crazy.
Turkey is stronger than Russia and Hungary must now say no to Russia.
As Little-Finger once said… “Trust no one…”
I dont think he will also they share a good partnership together
On one part, Russia is partly right. As a European, I'm not thrilled about an Erdogan-led Turkey joining the EU. Because let's face it, his decisions on Religious and Economic matters have not done well for Turkey and their relations with other countries. The fact he used his countries vote in NATO to hamstring what is supposed to be an effort to protect the entire group just for the sake of improving himself at the cost of everyone else...
Turkey needs desperately to change leadership, and to a capable, charismatic and preferably at least a little progressive President. Why charismatic? Because clearly, just saying you oppose Erdogan isn't enough with how he's gaslighting and convincing enough Turkish people that he's still a good leader. Enough of them that he can get away with some less-than-legal practices to hinder any opposition.
Maybe Erdogan accepted the fact that it does not matter anymore if Russia wins or loses the war. It will be a pariah state and every of it friends get the same status. Not to mention that they are not far away from Russia, so if they wants to build back the Soviet Union Turkey will be one of their neighbours with very desireable geopolitical features… so best to be inside the NATO in the future. It is time to choose sides for the next cold war … if we are lucky. China has the same situation. Their biggest enemy is not the USA, but Russia.
nahh what erdogan accepted or not doesnt matter, turkey is one of the earliest nato members with corresponding privileges. but i agree what you said about china, china is the only country that can dethrone putin if they wanted, being by far the biggest market for russian products right now.
First of all, the whole world should thank Turkey, which has supported Ukraine from the very beginning. If he had not done this with courage, the Turks would be talking about other things now. Erdogan is the smartest man in active politics. He plans every move he makes in advance. Türkiye is a NATO country with a production economy and a strong army. Exchange rate problems. However, the Turkish army is now stopping the Russian power in Africa, Caucasus, Balkans, Middle East. The more successful, the more self-confident. Syria remained the only place where Turkey entered the struggle and could not conclude it. If America takes a step, Erdogan can checkmate
Erdo*an can even ditch his mother if she hurts his powertrip. Man is more fickle than Italy in WW1
Glad he's changed his courses, Turkeys politics will be interesting since both political sides appear pro-western
Let's be clear, Turkey send arms to the Ukraine and not Russia, he also trapped the Russian fleet and stopped their support ships. He also told Russia to hand the Crimea back....he wasn't ever pro Russian
ruSSia complains about breaking treaties🤡
It's Russia. Get with the program meSSicant!
Putin: But l payed your ice cream Erdogan? 😥😣😣😓😭
Maybe not well known in the news, but Erdogen has said he will work to ratify Sweden as a NATO member in october. In the meantime he want Sweden to actively fight terrorism (aka PKP and the kurds) and he also want Sweden to support a Turkey EU membership. So ... whether they have promised Sweden the sought after NATO membership? I am not so sure ...
Turkey has more of a problem than Sweden in getting into the EU.
His entire governance and economics is contrary to EU requirements not to mention no one wants to have to deal with a country that is religiously sensitive.
The West is free to burn any religious book and criticise any religion, if they can accept that they'll be a tiny bit closer.
No one will accept Islamic sensitivities period.
He must have realized that if he was to get the most out of any of his demands he needs to do it now before Russia sinks into any further chaos.
Clear distinction here between Kurd-supported terrorist networks, and Kurds as a people. It's something so many people get wrong about Turkey discussions and politics. Associating all Kurds with the "Kurd"-run terrorist networks, is like associating all Muslims in the Middle East with Taleban and Al-Quaeda. Turkey does not oppose Kurds as a people, and openly integrate them into Turkish society as long as the integration is peaceful. But the terrorist networks prevent this, actively trying to destabilize territories in Eastern Turkey to eventually annex land for themselves, and they do it by throwing regular Kurds under the bus and using "Kurdish people" as a validation of their terrorist acts.
My aunt was working as a school teacher in a Turkish/Kurdish society in east Turkey some years ago, and her travel bus was assaulted by PKK Terrorists. Even the local Kurds hate what these people are doing. The entire reason Turkish and Kurdish people can't live in peace in these regions is because the terrorists want Kurdish exclusivity and land that never belonged to them. But sadly, the reputation and relation with all Kurds take a massive hit when media keep portraying them this way. Many of my friends are Kurdish, there is no hatred between us at all. But if you keep repeating the saying that "Turkey doesn't like Kurds or Kurdish association" enough times, then people growing up will start to believe this false ideology. Like if you say American white people hate the black communities over and over, eventually you end up with real racism spawned out of lies and misunderstandings.
Welcome to the unfriendly club Turkey 🇹🇷 glad to see you stop by
Ignoramus detected.
3:15 Speaking of "violation of agreements" does the Budapest memorandum ring a bell for all the Putinists?!?
There is a non-zero chance of just about anything. A non-zero chance of Putin going off the roster? Oh I suppose.
Follow the money.
If we could turn Erdogans swings to electricity we could solve Turkiye's energy crisis
Maybe they could just tap into Ataturk spinning in his grave.
Tanks, Coffee came out my nose and sprayed all over my keyboard.
@@foilhat1138 Turkish modernization started in 1828. Ataturk is just another chapter in the same story.
Nice one 😂
@@aybars_incihe is a major part of it
The grain deal will be dead now. Not sure South Africa and friends have the clout to fix that.
As a greek citizen, I definitely want turkey to join the EU.
@ethnicnationalist94B-BUT WHY HAGIA SOPHIA IS NOT LIKE THIS ☦️ BUT THIS? ☪️.
@ethnicnationalist94I MORE WHITE THAN YOU! BLONDE HAIR... BLONDE HAIR I HAVE
@@pingu9729 I'm an atheist, I don't care
@@hiss9989 me too, it is a meme from a video :D most peaceful Balkan debate
No Turks in Europe
Great to see the TLDR team attending such important events. It's mind-blowing to see how social media channels like such are much more clearer and transparent than mainstream media channels.
"Mainstream media" admits uncertainty, and are legally obliged to stay within shouting distance of the truth. Remember that for every complex issue, there's an explanation that's simple, obvious and wrong.
Us Intelligence has shared data on Putin’s role in the 2016 coup.
I hope he won't be sunken by doing so
Turkey's president apparently has a good heart and a peaceful soul thats priceless for peace around the globe.
YEP💥🌎 💥YEP
Neighbourhood country respectively give the main objects
I hope so
Writings on the wall for Putin.
Turkey and Russia are on unfriendly geopolitical terms? What is this, the 17th, 18th, 19th, or most of the 20th centuries?
Erdogan swings more partners than swing dancers
Neutral??? I thought Turkey was supposed to be a part of NATO....
.........THATS WHY THEIR MEMBERSHIP IS ALWAYS UNDER QUESTIONMTHOUGH.......AS MAYBE TURKEY IS A NATO MEMBER BUT IT'S STILL TURKEY WITH ALL IT'S AMBITIONS,AS THEY'RE SUCCESSORS OF THE OTTOMANS
..........THEIR MAIN GOAL IS TO.....MAKE OTTOMANS GREAT AGAIN,HO MORE NO LESS,THEY'RE BY THEMSELVES
Turkey is trying to carve out it' s own independence, so that later, perhaps, at the right moment, it can expand it' s influence in the region and make a mini empire by unifying peoples with similar heritage/ language/ religion.Of course, Russia is a trading partner that Turkey needs more than they need America to organize coup(s) against Erdogan, or possibly ( some say ) cause earthquakes in the area.
A turk trust only a turk you betrayed us every time
It had to happen
Turkey you have many friends in the west. The UK is one of them.
I don't mind Turkey in the EU, but we should not change the entry requirements
😭😭😭😭Can you talk about Fiona Scott Morrisson nomination in EU comission ?😭😭😭😭( american citizens)
Turkey realised that Russia is a failed state when Wagner showed how weak Russia is.
Erdogan is a bad leader, but he’s also a pragmatist, he sees the way the winds are blowing and is hitching his wagon to the positive trend of NATO (for the moment)
That’s the only thing I can praise him for and nothing else
Do not see Turkey's friendly countries policy as a weakness. Türkiye is trying to be friendly with all the countries of the world and to take place in common markets. We don't want to fight anyone or become an enemy. In some cases, we try to do what is best for all our friends, even if our old friends don't like it.
But we are sure that all our friends want a peaceful and stable economic environment, we hope that Turkey's friendly country policy will be understood by all countries.
Russia and Germany, the European states through Germany are our old friends. We try to do what's best for everyone, and it's not a weakness.
Turkey is one of the few countries where the people are richer than their state, and if the country is in danger, it does not hesitate to transfer this money to the state.
He just dances the mentally lost walzer.
Trying not to be a annoying bastard challenge, but my opponent is Erdogan.
So glad that Erdogan finally let sweden in, but man that took forever.
4:09 - *F-35
The F-16 is a '70s fighter that has been updated many times.
Before the election, after the election
They were never on the same side
what i see is, one side at least tried to shake hands multiple times, through trade deals, offering cheap vacations for their citizens, buying russian military equipment and even temporarily blocking new nato membership requests. but what did the other side do? nothing beside acting like an angry chicken.
Good on Turkey to support Ukraine, keep the grain & weet exports going. Glory freedom to Ukraine.
Sweden would join NATO even if turkey opposed them turkey knew that, they just wanted to get benefit of the situation
You don't ditch Putin, Putin ditch you!
turkey working with eu nato is much better also for a production country and economicly
I think NATO got together and told him Sweden is in, or Turkey yea is out. (If they're gonna say it that way, I'm spelling it that way)
He does what he thinks best for Turkey. That’s his job!
Best in the short term or long term?
1:33 he said that considering both Ukraine and Russia haven’t officially declared war on each other. So from the legal side, he’s in the clear for that positioning
You wish you found a partner who always looks at you with that smile. 5:25 - 5:30
Putin has recently looked very weak so turkey is going after who looks stronger.
Ross Party would handle Eu memberships
Don’t count on it. That dude loves to play both sides. Erdogan reminds me of one of those professional wrestlers. One week he’s teaming with the good guys and the next he’s partnering up with the villains. He’s not a trustworthy ally.
Here come the keyboard experts;
One of the funnier thumbnails on tldr. ♻️ 😂
Turkey's milking Russia as long as they can but they will make sure to leave the sinking ship in time.
prime example clickbait:
thumbnail: Has Erdogan ditched Putin?
title: Turkey finally ditches Russia.
where you not sure on what you are reporting?
Both are true. Where’s the clickbait?
Erdogan is that guy who cheers for the winning sports team .
Bcuz turkey should win,is he wrong
But the west as been losing for decades
@@diegomorata2885 idk about that one man :D The rest of the animal world dreams everyday about one day living in the west
@@asdv-gm4yy wtf?
can't afford otherwise. look at the map.
I love how TLDR dumbs down complex issues into ridiculously simple narratives.
Russia and Turkey are strategic rivals. They've been fighting proxy wars on each other in Azerbaijan, Libya and Syria.
Russia has had the upper hand in Syria and Turkey has been using the Ukraine war to take concessions from Russia in Syria. When Russia does something in Syria Turkey doesn't like, they strike back with a move on Ukraine.
It's essentially a dance these two nations play to extract as much as possible out of each other in these arenas.
Without getting too handsy, hot and sweaty. Practical.
Meh 😑
You forgot to write Türkiye will stand by Ukraine against Russia anytime. None of us want a strong Russia ever that close to us. But I think Russia should not be zeroed either. Too much problem It would bring.
Türkiye is not using Ukraine as proxy. Why people never appreciate all the weapons we have sent. We even sent home made hmars before US did. They think Türkiye was supporting Russia all along.
On some subjects TLDR gets many things wrong. every 3rd video they upload has at least 10 blatant mistakes. they are kind of a bunch of amatuers I feel.
I wouldn't call it dumbing down.
Rather that in a talk lasting less than 7 minutes it's not possible
for anyone to fully explain all the complexity and nuance
in the relationship between a husband and wife,
let alone in the relationship between 2 countries.
Even trying to fully explain the actions and beliefs of one person in 7 minutes is impossible.
Try explaining the attitude of Wilhelm Canaris or of Erwin Rommel during WW2
and deciding if they were good or evil men within 7 minutes.
You can't because nobody can do that within 7 minutes if ever.
I would have thought the highest praise Putin could offer would be "He really looks for windows of opportunity..." 😊
Nice zinger
That's a good one, especially as it has a double meaning with all the prominent Russians randomly falling out of windows.
Open windows are a danger to society, people.
Russia talking about act violations is hilarious.
true, when Putin makes a threat, the feeling we get these days is, oh yeah, you and what army? it's a total circus...
why is it hilarious? he is fighting against a bunch of nazis and pathological liars who destroyed the USSR and stole its territories and resources
@@marcdc6809 why Russia need its army to finish europe? it can destroy usa and europe in no more than 3 hours using its nukes lol
LOL exactly